On fears and escapes | J. Krishnamurti
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2018
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Ojai 1983 - Question #4 from Question & Answer Meeting #2
'You have stated that if one stays with fear and does not try to escape, and realises one is fear, then the fear goes away. How does this come about and what will keep it from returning on other occasions in a different form?'
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"Time and thought are the factors of fear. Time is thought, they are not two separate movements."
Yes ❣️
How?
@@radhikaraj5971 psychologically thought is time
So if one is free from thought, is one free from time? What is the secret to feel eternity in the moment? I have felt it, under LSD. But under "normal" circumstances never got close to that unless when I was a child.
No fear is factor of time and thought 🙄
Observe the fear when it's start arising in the mind, when you are able to do that, you will see that fear is gone away completely
And after this speech the next day i was born into the world May 20 of 83
So wise..... and so kind when he is making sure we don't depend on him as a guru, better to teach us to fish rather than give us the fish directly. Thank you Krishnamurti, wherever you are.
Enquire this things guys! He is pointing to the truth!
Finally i am starting to understand🌈 ty and much Love❤ krishnamurti is one of the only ones i consider legit in a world of shills...
There has to be two different polarities in the human being: one which is totally still, totally passive and undisturbed, and one active. We are never aware of the passive pole in ourselves. FEAR HAS TO MEET TOTAL STILLNESS, WHICH IS A TOTAL LACK OF REACTIONS. When it happens you stop being bothered by fear completely... The one that reacts has to literally die, to end!!! The reactive mechanism has to come to an end for freedom to express itself. KRISHNAMURTI IS FREEDOM EXPRESSING ITSELF; When you see Krishnamurti you see freedom speaking! I like this, even though i don't like the fact that i have to react to fear, in the same way in which an already dead person reacts to it!! :))). What we call fear, in fact is already energy dissipated through "running away" through trying to get away from something "fearful"; when we do not react, there is no running away, when there is no running away from the fearful thought, or object, there is no fear. The "running away" itself is fear.
I find your expressions very valuable.
Fear, is afraid of nothing!!! Only the one which is separate form fear is afraid when fear appears... If you are fear, then there is no one that can be afraid anymore in the moment in which fear arises, which means that the one which is different from fear does not exist anymore, we suddenly stop imagining the observer as something separate from the observed, then in the same way, sudeenly the observer is gone as if it has never been there... "the fear" is afraid of nothing, fear simply exists, like a flower, the observer transforms this "flower" in a monster to be afraid of.
Beautifully put 👌🏽✨
exactly!
daaamn, you literally explained the unexplainable.
Absolutely genius!
Noone like him will ever exist!!!
Anglica Martinez it’s absolutely amazing!
Those people were the luckiest ones who got an opportunity to witness JK.🙂Now,am imagining what those ppl might be doing....
I feel the same way and wonder the same thing.
Most of them are living thier lives following religions n all that.
Thought and time are at the Root of fear. Ponder this till I understand, I will!
Thought is the tool of time, thought is predicting the future and recalling the past. One who is safe from immediate danger and afraid is told to "get out of the head" to "relax" as in stop dwelling on fiction. A watchful eye can see the mechanics of thought and is therefore not at its mercy.
This is great, thank you all involved! :)
dont concentrate on the finger or you will miss alllll that heavenly glory
I feel fear all the time and I can't explain it but somehow my inner self embraces it and in the hands of fear it self I find the courage to overcome the most fearful momentarily laps of reason.
Read the top comment.
he who knows his own truth has no difficulties to answer.
Thank you very much.
Amazing...thank you for pointing out
"Escape is a wastage of energy." 12:10
and people make such terrible waste of their lifes always escaping perpetuating habbit and so on
Such a dedicated audience. I can't see this happening now.
mobile
18:10 So as long as there is a division in me . . .
when there is no conflict, there is energy.
Love
He is tryna say accept and change😁
Thank you so much
Thank you.
When you are fully fear you have nothing left to fear
this is a nonsense
Actually true.
@@ErikAdalbertvanNagel thought has created a division between you and fear. In reality fear is not seperate from you and you are fear, the fear itself is afraid of nothing, only when your thought makes a division between YOU and FEAR then the YOU feel afraid.
Anyway that's what I got from this still enquiring. ✌️
A note to self: come to now, there is no fear.
so psychological time is fear?
How does this relate to another common advice, which goes something like:
"The problem is that you are completely overtaken by fear. You identify with the fear and therefor become it.
On the other hand, when you observe the fear then you create distance between you and the fear. You can realise that you are not that fear and chose how to respond. It will come and go as any sensation. Just sit and watch."
Sir, who is the one who observes fear?
Isn' t the observer himself the past and hence a product of thought!!
That's a good point. Maybe when we identify with it , it means we believe it is "REALLY something" different from us that can hurt us.., when we feel overtaken by it ,we can't observe it... we try but we "think you are observing" ... it is just a sensation + thought +desire +past etc...
The difference is whether I am THE fear (totally intimate with the unjudged, unnamed bodily experience as if looking at a flower) or IN fear (looking through the filter of an imaginary person, its needs, its stories, its biography). Looking with the mind vs. looking as timeless presence, „nothing“.
You cannot rationalise verbalise fear
I wish I could attend one of his talks live
Once you got it that you are fear, then for the first time you have got the power not to be, if you don't like it.
That's when he used to say the thinker is the thought, the fear is not separate from you, everything used to go above the head, but now gottach u. Power energy to modify
You can’t fear the return of fear, or you are in fear.
Not run away from it…
Fear is you.
So if the root of one's fears is losing a loved one, how can you observe this emotion? Does it mean it must happen, so that you will face it when its a fact?
The video sound is pretty good, beyond my imagination
Good answer to irrational fear - stay and trust in the obvious Universe. However there maybe safety precautions and checks to do for rational fear , and risk assessments- Eg fire drills.
JK. Speaks of Fear in all aspects and forms. safety precautions done for rational fear only increase the fear because you responded to it, it is your motivation therefor you will never be free from it. safety precautions if you don't want to increase fear and always be in it must be purely rational.
Thought generates fear.. But Without thought there is no you. You are the thought and you are the fear. How do you get rid of fear? Do you escape? No, that's only a temporary solution. Do you not think at all? Impossible. You can't destroy the root of fear since destruction of the root, means destruction of you, and everything you stand for. Accept fear as an inseparable part of you. Accept yourself.
Excuse me, what does he exactly says at the last 20 seconds?
Literal quote plz, no interpretations
He is saying don't dwell on the future live in the now , Right?
He is saying exactly what he is saying, nothing else.
i think its important to ask a couple questions.
what is living in the now?
and what is fear?
Why I don't understand what he has to say?
Cause the brain is conditioned, it takes patience and attention. Go step by step. just observe everything in the mind
That should be very easy for you figure out. Ask yourself again and again. Why!!! Now whatever your genius mind comes up with? That’s the answer to your problem.✌️
Doesnot that give you anxiety
Is it true that "fear is me"? Transcendental meditation says that who we are is the boundless blissful Self..not fear anger greed..I get what he's trying to say.
Larry Primeau... everything is you. Think about it. If you were not born, will you be here having these thoughts right now. No, none of this would have exist for you if you weren’t born. But since you were born and your here now, it’s all about who? You, me, them... it’s all of us personally... but ultimately it’s about our personal experience and then we die. The end.
@@viklatu7806 what is this obsession with the you the I? it doesn't exist, it's the whole thing. do you do it or does do you? it doesn't matter, don't cling to these.
I always stay in a constant state of fear. Ain't able to get out of it. Just do not know what to do. Can anybody guide me if they know how to deal with it. It will be really helpful 🙂
Megha Sharma, you are fear, it’s not a separate thought from you. You are fear. Accept it, welcome it when you’re thinking and feeling this fear. Don’t run away or try to escape from it. It’s just a thought that you’re feeling. Just feel it and look at it from inside of you. Just notice it. This is just your thought that’s creating the feelings inside of you. When you are in this state of mind, welcome the thought and just notice it. Spent some time with it just notice what you notice about it. Notice the feelings in your body as your thinking about it. Sometime this fear will go back to a memory. If it does look at the memory. Notice that also.
Now stop And take your thoughts/mind away from it for a minute and look around where your at. And feel the chair your sitting on feel and see the room your sitting in bring yourself out of the fear thoughts and feeling back to the moment. After that then go back into it again, back to your fear. And see if you can bring it back. When you bring it back this time notice if it starting to change. Notice how it change and notice what’s left, notice the feelings again. Once you done that again, open your eyes look around the room come out of the fear thoughts and feel the room the lights and everything else at that moment. Keep doing it until the fear is gone. When you welcome your fear and notice how you notice it’s there, and welcome it and notice what it is. Which is just your thoughts and feeling about your thoughts or a memory. You will soon realize it’s just you doing it to you by how and what your thinking about. Try it, let me know.
I hope this helps.
Watch the conversations between K and Bohm. Watch them carefully slowly.
If you are still seeking guidance, I can try to help you. Fear is a complicated issue which needs a verbal dialogue as the questioner has to penetrate through many layers. Let me know if you want to talk then I will provide my number.
How are you today?? 🙂
@@ashishmehta1113 👋
look at tiger or run?
The function of brain is to register. And all the conflict start from register. But even registering is benifit in certain situation that's why it is there. So in this situation our brain has registered it is dangerous, so we have to run from tiger.
The video sound is pretty good, beyond my imagination