Thanks for making this video and the shoutout Coppersan!!! I was pleasantly surprised to see you drop by and asking questions about Kanna. Unfortunately, non-kms classes get very infrequent updates, and they're always a surprise. It's sad to see my time go to waste, but the grass is greener on the other side. :D
I came back two months ago and main kanna, and now all my hard work is getting thrown in the dumpster. I knew about the kishin nerf, and was totally fine with the tradeoff for 10% exp buff, I don't farm more than I get totems anyways. But this last second nerf is actually so stupid, nexon is a joke.
I came back not long after too and started a kanna main and now it’s all for nothing. I put event badges,rings, titles all on her and now it feels like a huge waste of time.
Nexon wants their money man, they get players to hate against other people's classes and stop them from farming money on Kanna and now you rely on frenzy from the whales in the server. Might as well play swordieMS
Kanna was my main since release. I was there for all the nerf and this nerf i think it was uncalled for. Kanna now takes a lot more time to kill bosses and for someone to play solo without party. It made it a lot more difficult for me to now pick another main because i need to start from scratch. if it was the usually nerf i would of had been okay but this is just to huge. Now im starting all over with another class.
yah, your words are my words. my kanna is in the dust now =( I had to start a different class, got a DB now (two, actually) in a non-reboot server. they're doing ok. I'm f2p but my kanna already have item drop items so I can fund other classes using them. It takes more time to clear Gollux now, so that sucks. I gotta think about doing gollux just like a chore. started a DB from scratch (two DBs!) and bought gear already upgraded from other players. didn't make them myself, way better imo.
Thanks for making this video, Coppersan! As a level 261 Kanna main who has spent over a year and a half investing time and money into my character I'm extremely disappointed in Nexon's balancing decisions -- I think the suggestions you proposed toward the end of the video would have been the perfect solution. I'm seeing a lot of toxicity and hate toward Kannas on the Reddit rebalancing thread and a lot of people seem happy just to see Kannas get absolutely gutted. A lot of people aren't understanding the full scope of the situation from a mathematical perspective (i.e. Kannas lacking inherent FD) and the amount of hatred is not what I expect from a community that's supposed to be more supportive and mature than this. I love that, rather than just jumping on the Kanna hate wagon, you've done the proper research and your video provides an objective view of the situation while also recommending solutions that actually address the core problems. I've always been fine with Nexon removing the Kishin spawn effect but if I'm losing 30% of my DPM while other classes are getting a 15% DPM boost, I think I'll take a long break from Maple. At least until we get Hyper burning in GMS and server-wide/tradeable arcane force (on Reboot server).
The reason why people are* angry(a 285 kanna main), when everyone gets buffed, we get nerfed. if it's a bug, how did it take 2 yrs to figure it out?(the truth is Nexon made it from 120 - 300 before themselves), now when people invested time and money into the char, they said, oh sry, it's not right, it's op. we need to nerf it.???wtf?? any respect to the current players? and if you dig deeper you will realized that this nerf only hurts players and no one barelly gets any benefit from this. Nice move, Nexon
agreed with all of the points in the video but one, the utility. there is a document file, made by Kannas that was sent to the CM regarding this nerf, which includes a side by side comparison of the party utility of Kanna and Bishop, needless to say Bishops blow it out of the water easily (i have also been told that Battle Mages are contenders for #1 support spot basically battling Bishops and seems to be true after fact checking). only issue with Domain is just that it doesnt scale off of INT like Benediction does as you mentioned.
That's complete bullshit. I don't know maybe you're right and Benediction ends up giving a bit more damage than domain late game, sure. But you're forgetting Kanna is the only class with a 15 second bind which is insane due to it's synergy with RoR.
@@LeoZe Not just Benediction. The other buffs give your entire party another 10% FD on top of that+well over 100% normal+boss damage and 44% IED, on top of much less finicky healing sources (Tree doesn't even work half the time because your party needs to also be on the boss for them to get healed, plus they can't even see pink barriers unless the Kanna tells them to stand on top of them). The 15 second bind is granted, and even other liberated Kannas wouldn't mind seeing that bopped down to 10 seconds or replaced with another skill entirely. (tbh there's more than a few skills in Kanna's kit that just do literally nothing and could be replaced with useful things; Soul Bomb ayylmao, Orochi ayylmao, bubble hyper now that Kish is gone ayylmao) also if you want to be fully accurate about it: I/L gets a 13s bind along with the 2nd best RoR burst in the game next to Night Lord, and Zero can do 26 seconds minimum, more with 20% CD reset inner. Only downside for Zero is that its damage is kinda shit and was awkward to use, but they get buffed by about 17% over the next 3 months and it doesn't int them to use their big attack on Chrono Break in RoR in Destiny.
@@LeoZe yeah i didnt mention bind because of obvious reasons, but dont worry i did not forget and i agree it has to go along with domain needing 0 investment other than nodes :)
Honestly the kanna nerf turned out to be even worse than I thought it was going to be. My culvert only dropped about 25%, but that's because you can use vanquisher's charm twice in culvert, which is our burst skill now. In a real boss fight you aren't going to be using vanquisher's off cooldown because it makes you super vulnerable. So considering our main DPM skills (haunting and dopple) got 60% final dmg, the only other relevant DPM skill is tengu. Which imo is a lot more than just the 30% final damage nerf that was predicted. More like a 40-50% final dmg, because kanna is a DPM class. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think bamba's BM clear doubled in time. My personal bossing went to shit too. I'm almost full 21* and 17* arcane (with 1 18* arcane). I can't even do hdamien now, when prenerf I would have the dmg to solo hlucid at this point. Nexon might have intended kanna to be a support class, but bishop is a support class too and they got a decent buff. Kanna is worse than pre buff bishop now.
I feel so sad for those who invested time and money on funding that class. Classes who affect the company’s ability to make profit will always be nerfed.
Personally I have not mained Kanna on regular server or Reboot but I feel that these changes Kanna mains on Reboot the most. The fact that the vast majority of your investment is tied to a single character on Reboot means that migrating to a different class is that much harder.
@@Oxitono ? Please explain what you mean here. Kanna is now unplayable as a solo player and this game more tuned to solo bossing means all the Kanna mains just are forced to switch classes. Watch the video. Coppersan literally said her damage wasn't the greatest, it was just the support capabilities but as a solo player, support capabilities dont mean jack
I'm kinda torn on this whole thing. One on hand, Kanna has been the absolute best class for FARRRR too long and needed a spanking with the nerf bat for a while now. The Kishin Shoukan spawn nerf was needed a long time ago but better late than never, I suppose. On the other, the huge damage nerf seems unfair and completely misses the major problem with Kanna even after Destiny: it was never the damage that Kanna was known for; it's their unrivaled utility with Domain and Haku buffs meaning they're still required for high-level bossing parties. Kinda missed the mark with that one, Nexon :x
Domain needs to be int scaling for sure. But a support class shouldn't be out dps-ing most dps classes for years and it boggles my mind that kanna mains think they should. Was the nerf heavy handed?... probably. but once actual data shows the nerf was too much I'm sure nexon will buff accordingly.
I agree with you. But I think kannas are just crying about being bottomed out for a couple of patches when there are and have been literally classes that have bottomed on dps for years (i.e. DA, phantom, zero, BaM, WA, mihile, paladin, bishop) while kanna was top 5 since the current rework up until the waves of class balances in 2021, and is currently sitting at top 15. Kannas were happy to abuse their class for its spawn enhance, amazing mobbing, top-tier boss utility, and high-end damage despite knowing that it was absolutely going to be nerfed, just a matter of when. They had a HUGE advantage since the inception of Reboot and while it sucks to lose out on solo dps, their use in a boss party and mobbing are still some of the best. No boss party is suddenly going to drop a funded kanna main for losing some damage. They can hold an L for a couple of patches before they buff it to upper half of classes again after having 7+ years of advantage in Reboot. If people played other characters, they wouldn’t have progressed as far as they did with kanna anyways. Welcome back to earth, kanna. Dont forget to take your chill pill.
The problem with Kanna was being S tier on literally almost every single aspect, damage was far far better than bishops all while being a better support, was the single best mobbing class, is self-sustaining with binds s everything, etc. Imo they just chose to shift it more toward being a support class and I see nothing wrong with nerfing damage over utility if that is the path they chose.
People are just going to move on to the next best thing now, and that will dominate the player base. Nerfing Kanna solves literally nothing. All it does is piss people off who spent time and money on her.
@@loaveth8188 Meso / Drop gear, Legion Gold coupons, Drop Familiars, Meso inner ability and just about anything to increase drop cos realistically when ur farming meso ur gonna want nodes and familiars too :P o and ofc a totem lol
I can respect the kishin nerf, and I had expected it from their notice. I came to terms with it. This extra nerf that they didn't even give us a warning about way prior just means we get slapped with a beast tamer level nerf for a class that will otherwise never be looked at again until such time as nexon deems us so trash that we deserve a buff again. Its sad. I have never once even considered jumping jump off Kanna, but i'm seriously considering it. and fyi, I didn't main her for kishin
Me too. I don’t main kanna for kishin. I have been a kanna main for more than 5 years. I love kanna because she is adorable and she has the dark ghostly feeling and her voice is just so cute, plus haku just too adorable. I always work hard to improve my gears and level just like other endgame maplers would do for their class. I am glad kishin is being modified as I always hate ppl referring kanna as kishin mule/slave/hoe. I just liberated few days ago and was happy that I was good enough to finish genesis weapon journey. After knowing the nerf on kanna, I am so heartbroken I don’t know if I wanna continue playing maple. I can’t bare to play any other classes.
I made my first char a kanna a year ago. I still play kanna as my main and won't stop. Still making progress in reboot. The damage nerf is unjusted, but doesn't bother me as much as I like the class playstyle.
Not the first time a class was nerfed into the ground .. TB etc it's happened before we lost hope in Nexon "balancing" a long time ago. We lost hope in them as a company years ago.
One of the biggest reasons for them to nerf kanna kishin is to slow down your progress. Instead, your main source of income now is going to rely on weekly bosses which will improve and guarantee players attendance in their record.
why are you people acting like meso farming will now be impossible_ tdo what every other job was doing up until now, rely on totems. Thats how it should have ALWAYS been. This BS meta of being forced to main a Kanna to keep up with everyone was ridiculous and I am glad is getting the boot.
@@Baykkosuggest you to read and understand the statement again. Ain’t nobody complaining here about the nerf in kishin. That was just a sharing of one of the reasons for the nerf lmaoo
I used to be able to chain her shield skills and buffs not anymore because everything has a cooldown now plus this damage nerf, it makes me very sadge as a kanna main but she's still very fun to train tho
Just so I'm clear... 16% of the player base was playing kanna, so they nerf it to the ground... Did they think the player base would be like "Oh, that's too bad, time to spend about 50$ on psok to move all my stuff to another character"? And to the people happy kanna got nerfed, I hope they nerf demon slayer, adele, and nightlord next, because that's all I see anymore in Maplestory.
This came directly from Nexon Korea so not like other servers have a say in it, this was already confirmed when Destiny landed in KMS back in Feb and Frenzy Totem was announced to be banned from lvl 300 area completely. Adele and NL makes sense because they are always in top 10 for every server. but DS is bottom 20 in terms of player population and DPM charts so that's some weird inclusion.
@@Aetolus name 1 300+ area.... We won't see any maps like that till 3 or 4 years from now. I included demon slayer, because he's got God mode, because of that he's got the fastest black mage solo In the world, being just 12 minutes. Most groups can't even do that. And we didn't know anything about the over all damage nerfs till someone posted about it like a week ago. And funny how kms gets a say in kanna, when they don't even have kanna.. This is a GMS change
The summon damage changes are actually quite a bit bigger than they seem at first glance, and even that’s putting it lightly. When end-game players are running around with 400~ boss damage and 90-100 crit damage, any skill that doesn’t benefit from these two modifiers is drastically reduced in damage. I ran some napkin math after the reddit post went up and even with just these changes the damage of Kanna’s summons went up something like 12x to 14x. There’s also the fact that kanna’s summons are wildly inconsistent with what damage boosts can and can’t be boosted by. Any “non-permanent” damage % boost doesn’t apply to them. Tbh I’m not completely sure what counts as “non-permanent”, but I am certain that it doesn’t count things like: guild damage buff, AB link, ark link, illium link, etc. Not to mention apparently skills from kanna’s own kit like haku’s fd buff and yoshizune’s fd buff didn’t apply either for whatever reason. So while it seems Kanna’s playstyle will refocus into a much more summon-oriented one, I don’t think the actual damage will plunge that much. Probably still a nerf overall, but not a huge one. There’s still the issue of why they’re even messing with damage and not domain but nexon will be nexon.
I mean summons make up 1 percent of ba, even if buffs were like 3-4x damage increase it would make 3-4 percent of someone's ba the idea that kanna's will refocus playstyle for a summon oriented one doesn't really make sense especially since you just place the summons and then proceed to do you basic kit. This does however lower the stat requirements for mobbing because boss/kish were usually the bottlenecks
It'd matter more if Kishin didn't both have a small hitbox and could only be placed every 60 seconds, on top of being more than seven times Boss's damage. Any boss that moves at all or where you can't place it at all due to bugginess ( Gloom removes Kishin as soon as the legs disappear if you place it up there, Damien/Lucid/Darknell/Slime/Seren/Will in p1-2 all move way too much) is going to be shit if Kishin is a large portion of your damage.
@@pierolam8515 The BA I got from a guildmate's Kanna (who runs BM in a party) had kishin alone doing about 1.8% BA, and apparently Boss does 0.5% but he didn't use it during that BA. So those numbers combined getting multiplied by 12 - 14 is about 27.6% on the low end and 32.2% on the high end.
@@Mel105CA Kanna does become significantly worse at Slime and Gloom, as well as p2 lucid, but most end-game boss maps (lotus, damien, p1 lucid, will, darknell, vhilla, black mage, and seren off the top of my head) take place on a map consisting of single large ground floor. Kishin's range is almost exactly the distance between the Stigma Coin shop npc and the storage npc at deserted camp (DWT), so roughly 75% of a screen. It's still not ideal, but not impossible. Boss, at least according to my guild's BM party Kanna, does a little less than 1/3rd of Kishin's damage, and his range is significantly better. Both his and kishin's damage get buffed by over 1000% according to my calculations.
@@gameknight102xx I did a BA yesterday; 0.36% out of a 46t BA (186b) was Boss with it being up the whole time, Kishin was 860b/1.86%. So yeah, my math was off, but the disparity is there especially with function. If their damage values were swapped it would be less bad, since then at least for bossing you could put the summon that matters down more flexibly.
I'll want to hear JMS's statement regarding this, as they gave birth to the Sengoku classes in the first place. Shame that this had to happen, just when MapleStory went 64-bit, meaning the client can handle nearly all of the heavy Kanna activity, ESPECIALLY spawn rate increase. And now I feel I dread the 28th of June coming (Part 2 of Destiny in MSEA). Though, I hope someone gets a wake-up call come the Ignition patch.
it was never about the client not being able to handle it, that's a lie nexon made up. If anyone remembers that bug a few years ago where kish stayed active in a map permanently, bots went around to every single map in the game so the game essentially was on a 5s timer. that bug lasted for roughly 4 days, and the servers were swamped with players who were farming for that reason, and the servers never had a single hiccup handling it
@@JBLZFTW remenber also the bug who used to make kishin spawn really bad nexon lie about being investigating about the skill and release fenzy totem without any issue and better took Nexon like 6months to fix the kishin who was spawning like 30% more monster
If they have gotten rid of a part of kishin it wouldnt have outraged that many people. For example. Keep the respawn mechanic but delete the increased mob rate. Or the other way around... and the massive damage nerf... o.O...
one simple solution I can think of is to add a Kishin-like skill to the “decent skills” section of the V Matrix so that ALL classes have access to it without having to pay for it. -and maybe also buff the Totems in a way that makes even Kanna want to buy it. (though I have no ideas for this one)
@@Adam-lm1cf they should make totems work like the free reboot pet where it ticks down while you have it active so you don't have to be worry about grinding for 2 hours straight.
do you really think nexon would do that to their kids who spent hundreds of dollars on the game? they really want all players to be forced to pay them for using the totem in the end they have to be rewarded for the river of money they gave nexon. and who really suffers from all this we are ordinary players
She has great mobbing and her support for party still amazing. I will keep playing with her tho, i dont care for top damage. Btw i think the nerf is fair but maybe they could give us a little more final damage passive for solo bosses to compare with the new Bishop.
Same. I have JUST made the stat and range threshold for it and am now learning that I probably wont be able to do it for another long period of time starting in...2 days? Bishop here I come.
This may be bad or good but ill give it a try: how about Blessing of the Five Elements also give a fair final damage boost based on how much int the character has or maybe let kanna summon the previous yaksha summons before 4th job.
Yeeeeeears ago, I used to be a Luminous main in Windia. They nerfed it so badly, especially it's mobility that I simply quit the game, only returning for some bruning events and quitting again. I was more active during the remaster Kanna, when her abilittys were supper pretty and there was the Tera burning. So I could finally have my first lv 200 character. I loved playing with kanna since she is a mage, pretty skills, and has nice mobility. And now they'll nerf her. I find it funny how everytime I play a class they massive nerf the class to the point it's unplayable, especially for super casuals like me.
Same not interested in playing a game where i can invest time and then its just pointless over night lol nah ill find a game where the developers don't have their head well and truly up there rear ends.
@@Adam-lm1cf every game has op class and nerfs, there aint no game where everything is balanced lmao, you suck at the game if you wanna play the top class only
@@Dnite13 Did i say im only interested in playing an op class ? Kanna isnt op for damage lol its OP cos of kish and support ... Nerfing those would make sense but to remove 20-30% of the damage makes no sense. Actually maple isnt bad as far as balancing goes cept for kanna which i agree needed nerfing but they went the wrong way lol. But congratz Dnite13 and chandler mason on being typical trolls 🤣🤣 Rather sad lol
275 kanna here got around 70k stat non reboot. This is really crappy. Kishin I don't care I got frenzy totem. But the damage nerf? I just lost 30 grand for all my end game gear grinding. Like if your gonna touch damage then you can either refund me what I spent to get that damage. Or you can leave it alone. The nerf is to big 10% sure that's fine. But 27%???????
I think it’s funny how at some point in time every magician class has stood at the top of the meta (kanna for the longest) only to inevitably fall from grace
@RandysRage Although that's great for mules these nerfs actually impact those who want to solo boss and main kanna which is a MAJOR aspect of bossing progression. Because of how vital solo bossing is to this game most classes with heavy party utilty also have really decent damage well soloing or will be changed to have great solo bossing damage such as bishop or battle mage making solo progression which is vital to end game progression expecially on reboot viable. Finally most kanna mains would not complain if the class was being made "average" they are not they are being put on the bottom by a large margin, and before you try to argue that the class is a "support" and has party utilty please refer to what i mentioned above, this game is not only designed only around party bossing with solo bossing generally being larger aspect in my opinion which is why classes like battle mage, paladin(after destiny), or bishop(after destiny) now have damage to allign with everyone else when solo bossing, kanna will not. If you're going to argue that kanna should not have adequate solo bossing which they will not with these changes despite kms clearly trying to make all classes including other classes with strong party utility viable for that progression then I can only say your logic is flawed. If you want a detailed explanation on all this you can also find a document going into major details with proper numbers and analysis on the kanna discord showing proper data of how abysmal kanna damage is going to be, so no it's not average like the rest of the classes.
Kanna has been the most overpowered class for years. I think the nerfs could have been handled differently, but still there wasn't any other class in the game more deserving of nerfs than Kanna. So no, if anything Nexon is encouraging people to play other classes, instead of people pumping out more Kanna's to abuse like 30% of Reboot population
@@LeoZe Or you know, just buff the other classes? Crazy idea right? Why nerf this class that so many people spent time and money on? Just buff up the rest. Making all of the classes shit isn't a great way to incentivize people to pay other classes. It just makes all of them miserable.
@@DaShikuXI because Kanna was overpowered in ways they couldn't give to other classes, since KMS didn't want them in the first place. Such as spawn boosting and 15 second bind. The only reason Kanna could get away with having that stuff was that it was made and balanced outside of KMS
@@DaShikuXI Ignoring the practical limitation that Kanna is not a class in the server that does all the balance changes so they'd riot if classes were just buffed substantially for absolutely no real reason, because when there is one class that is clearly out of line by a mile, nerfing one class is a hell of a lot easier than buffing 40+ classes. And something that is not discussed enough with all the Kanna changes is that the DPM charts they're based off of aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Kanna was an absolutely top tier solo bosser before the nerfs. You can't just look at DPM and say "yep, barely above average" because nobody else has the utility that makes them so good in party available to them. Were they over nerfed? Maybe, but it's really hard to feel bad for a class that was "nuked from orbit" and will still be wanted in every single late game bossing party and is a top tier mobber. I will be absolutely shocked if they're not still an overall top 5 class post nerfs. Adele was the only class that came even remotely close on this front before hand.
I feel like people are so blinded by their hate for the class that they’re not understanding how crazy of a nerf this is. Every other class is either getting big damage buffs in destiny or not getting touched much at all (like adele), so for a class to get a 30% FD nerf in the same patch is literally insane. All while they don’t touch domain or long bind…I feel really really bad for kanna mains who just like the spirit summoner style class
I hate Kanna more than most but I agree Nexon completely missed the point. Instead of punishing the people abusing the broken parts of Kanna which is the reason I've hated the class for a long time, they are just punishing the people that actually like the class and don't deserve that bs.
I played a lot my kanna as well, and I do used to play her for the kishin buff at first, but I played her cause I was happy to be able to share the buff with my friends to help them. Then they removed that. I don't really care about a change in xp, in just pain me that it will be less satisfying to grind now that I will need to wait for the mob to respawn after clearing the map too quick. I spend so much time getting her to 251, close to 252, but im kinda thinking to just play with another class and move on. I will not be able to have as much fun with grinding, and I will not be able to compasate with bossing with the damage nerf. I might as well grind my beast tamer so I can keep on helping friends while doing actual damage.
when I was trynig to main a second job I wanted to main a Beast Tamer, but at some point I realized that NexAm wont ever care enough about its exclusive jobs to update them as they require, so i quit it. That said I seriously doubt that Kannas will end up under Jett or Beast Tamer when it comes to damage. JMS takes good care of its jobs, thats why Kanna and Hayato were OP to begin with, whereas Jett and BT are fulll of bugs.
I really don't like Kanna. It feels holo and easy to level and train, but that damage nerf is tough. Last time Kanna got a nerf this bad to her damage was when Haku's fan was nerfed. I understand wanting to phase out Kanna for other classes, but a damage nerf wasn't needed. The Kishin nerf was enough.
Instead of nerfing Kanna they should have just buffed other classes to be as good as Kanna. Now you just ruin years of people's effort into building up their Kannas. Nerfing the top end doesn't fix the problem, you gotta buff up the low end. Thank god I didn't ever bother investing in a Kanna though.
How would u propose they buff all other classes to kanna level? Should all classes have spawn booster skills? Should they all have 15 sec binds? Where’s the silver lining?
@@austinp3979 Remove spawn booster from Kanna, and make maps inherently have more spawn. Yes you can give every class a 15 sec bind. Buff the damage and mobbing of lower tier classes. Increase attack ranges on lower tier classes. Give more classes party buffs.
I'm so glad I stopped playing when I saw the initial idea to nerf Kishin for Kanna. I absolutely saw this shit storm coming, and decided to just not touch MapleStory anymore until I saw what the actual nerfs where gonna be and what Destiny was going to do for the game. I like that the nerfs incentivize to play other classes as a main without the need for a Kanna farmer, but it still feels like the whole grinding on base spawn problem is going to be ignored until the end of time, which is sad.
I've heard horror stories about the stability of Hayato and from that alone it was clear that I shouldn't even try to make him into a bossing character even though I thought he looked really cool. The only thing that Nexon can do to restore any trust in their ability to provide proper balancing for non-KMS classes is to actually introduce them into KMS. Without that, I think any new player would be shooting themselves in the foot to main any non-KMS class.
Agreed on all. I think the biggest thing about Kanna was that she just did everything right. Decent farming, good damage potential, great support, undoubtedly THE best mule option (reducing spawn rate itself is broken on so many levels, and she can do more), and so on. Removing the reduced spawn rate was most definitely deserved. However, they shouldn't reduce her damage, especially not that much. It's overkill. I'm not mad about Kanna losing her place as undoubtedly the best class. In fact, I'm welcoming it. However, even if it's Kanna, this is a bit too much.
Kanna main, so sad to hear this.....I think the reason is exactly in the start of the video, Kanna population too high, and probably many unfunded player due to her easy leveling and high damage. So with one single character nerf Nexon can distribute all that population of players to other classes, potentially more money to earn for them.
Didn't only adventurer's get actual buffs? Phantoms still sitting near the bottom of the charts, even after nerfs kanna will still outdamage them and still be higher priority in parties.
Primarily adventurers, but there were other changes that made other classes good. Like, Thunder Breaker is now "I'm speed", and Demon Avenger's damage is okay...ish. Also, not every adventurer got actual buffs. Marksman was awful, and it still is.
There is a lot deeply funny about all the complaining about a class that will still be wanted in every bossing party ever and still be one of the fastest/best mobbers being "nerfed to death".
Agree with coppersan as a kanna main i would love to see the domain become reliant on Int as i HATE that my class is made by everyone cos they want domain in there party and would make bishops played more maybe ? Honestly happy to see kish nerfd wish theyd done it from day 1 tbh instead of just nibbling at it annoying everyone each time they tapped it slightly. Though id love to see totems have Uses that say each use lasts 2 mins giv them 60 uses with a 7 day duration on the item so u can buy them to do dailies with or just do a lil training here and there, hate feeling locked into playing for 2 hrs cos i popped a stupid totem
Honestly you're by far the most based Kanna main I've seen and I can tell you genuinely like the class, unlike what I'd say is the majority of Kanna mains that only mained her to abuse Kishin or easy bossing parties with domain. I always said Kanna deserves to be nerfed to the ground, but I hope for people like you that Nexon actually finds a good solution to Kanna rather than what they're doing right now.
@@LeoZe The class has been broken for a long time and i mained it just cos i like the class styling with the taoist type thing and i prefer support classes but sucks when its so op everyone makes one ... my other char is a bishop which is fun too and could be even better in destiny but we shall see :P
I mained demon avenger. It became the most trash class after I funded it wasting lots of time and money. Decided to switch to Kanna to have a main that's worth using. Funded it all the way to full arcane umbra, legendary potentials and now it's going to be garbage. Guess I'm gonna just call it quits on maple. It's just time for me to let it go. Clearly it's not meant for me
@@austinp3979 yeah I understand that, but it's been my experience in maple as of lately, that everyone in the game is just a robot. Sitting afk, no real partying to do bosses anymore. I mean I guess joining guilds changes that but idk. Feels like you have to solo everything now. Still gutting the damage sucks. Making it mediocre is one thing. But making It by far the worst. Idk. Seems like alot
@@UnholyGsus I can agree that the dmg nerfs where pretty harsh, I do believe in time they will get smaller incremental buffs over time. As someone who doesn’t have 6k legion or ever really joined a guild I can agree that progression can be a bit lonely at times. The times I have joined a guild they always had a lot of resources to help me out! Ik it seems daunting/maybe somthing ur not into but the benefits far out way the cons imo
@@austinp3979 Kann's solo bossing is total trash now. PPl grind so they can solo harder bosses and enjoy the progression. Who wants to put hours and effort into a class where funding means meaningless? When an lv 250 domain mule with trash gear can compete with lv 280 kanna with full Arcane and pitched. What's the point? You know what ppl would actually prefer domain mules as they won't ask for a loot ration.
@@austinp3979 you're probably right. I just need to go out of my way more to interact with people and try to group on things. Im not saying the Kanna didn't need to be nerfed. I completely understand it. I just wish it hadn't been so extreme
I'll probably be hated for saying that but the nerf is well deserved, there is too many Kanna main around and i hate the fact that it was "mandatory" to create one. The meta will probably shift towards the bossing mule, maybe Maplers will still take Kanna as their bossing mule but this new meta will (I think) create a feeling that you can just take any classes as a boss mule as long as you enjoy the class. Yes it will be mandaory now to make a boss mule but at least new or returning player won't feel forced to pick up a Kanna but any class they want...
I wouldn't say it's mandatory. You could just do bossing, which yields major bucks. All you have to do was invest a bit into your mules, which is a bit better than investing into a character you have no intention of playing. I can't be bothered to grind so much so even with a Kanna a lot of my money came from bossing and other shit. The nerf to Kannas is majr uncalled for. The Spawn nerf? Yeah, sure. However saying they DESERVED to have 30% of their damage stripped is a bit of a stretch considering how worthless they are now. I used this class to rush events so I wouldn't have to sit there farming all day for each event. Now what use does this class have? I can't even use it as a mule now lol.
Like trusting Nexon on anything is already a bad take, they are really known to screw the player base, favor the hackers and "balance" in the most dumb way possible even worse when it's not related to KMS classes. Was looking for something encouraging to return to maple but I need to thank Nexon form keeping me from wasting my time in this game.
Just wait until all these Kanna haters are dying to recruit Kanna in their parties. It will be a lot more difficult to find a Kanna main from now on. You guys are now stuck with those cheap Kanna domain mules with trash gear you hated the most.
Considering they just added more party content at the late and endgame it kinda makes sense that they touched the dps and not the support ... But it's still dumb those dps nerfs
Main Kanna here, i'm not Mesos farmer just a regular player, took me around 13 years to reach 250, all my time and money spent to have just 11M Damage will be gone with this nerf xD i should quit now
Maple is already a solo game, remove kishin so be it, why reduce the damage? bishop is a supportive class too yet the damage is so high. Yet Maplestory wont care because of other players spending so much money into the game mindlessly that Maplestory wont see a problem with it. They will continue to pay content creators to convince us that everything is okay
Isn’t kanna in the top 10 of every dpm chart after their rework though? I think kanna was definitely top tier in damage. But I do agree that they shud let domain scales with int instead so that domain mules wouldn’t be prioritised over other geared classes…
Nope, before the rework. After she drops down to bottom 4th, and then every class below her gets close to 50% final damage in buffs and skill cooldown adjustments for their full rotation.
I feel like kanna's spawn bonus is passable due to how boring kanna is. i'd rather have something "unbalanced" in that way than the stuff they're doing now, making every class feel the same.
Thanks for making this video and the shoutout Coppersan!!! I was pleasantly surprised to see you drop by and asking questions about Kanna. Unfortunately, non-kms classes get very infrequent updates, and they're always a surprise. It's sad to see my time go to waste, but the grass is greener on the other side. :D
Well said
GREAT! now all we need is phantom to get spawn booster and the secret plan is complete
My favorite class tbh
LOL Yezzzir
phantom mains rise up!
I came back two months ago and main kanna, and now all my hard work is getting thrown in the dumpster. I knew about the kishin nerf, and was totally fine with the tradeoff for 10% exp buff, I don't farm more than I get totems anyways. But this last second nerf is actually so stupid, nexon is a joke.
I came back not long after too and started a kanna main and now it’s all for nothing. I put event badges,rings, titles all on her and now it feels like a huge waste of time.
God damn, I main Ark but sympathise with you, the damage decrease is way too much
Nexon wants their money man, they get players to hate against other people's classes and stop them from farming money on Kanna and now you rely on frenzy from the whales in the server.
Might as well play swordieMS
@@taylorlara2871 seriously f nexon
koreans dislike the japanese so much that they decided to nerf kanna😢
Kanna was my main since release. I was there for all the nerf and this nerf i think it was uncalled for. Kanna now takes a lot more time to kill bosses and for someone to play solo without party. It made it a lot more difficult for me to now pick another main because i need to start from scratch. if it was the usually nerf i would of had been okay but this is just to huge. Now im starting all over with another class.
yah, your words are my words. my kanna is in the dust now =( I had to start a different class, got a DB now (two, actually) in a non-reboot server. they're doing ok. I'm f2p but my kanna already have item drop items so I can fund other classes using them. It takes more time to clear Gollux now, so that sucks. I gotta think about doing gollux just like a chore. started a DB from scratch (two DBs!) and bought gear already upgraded from other players. didn't make them myself, way better imo.
Thanks for making this video, Coppersan! As a level 261 Kanna main who has spent over a year and a half investing time and money into my character I'm extremely disappointed in Nexon's balancing decisions -- I think the suggestions you proposed toward the end of the video would have been the perfect solution.
I'm seeing a lot of toxicity and hate toward Kannas on the Reddit rebalancing thread and a lot of people seem happy just to see Kannas get absolutely gutted. A lot of people aren't understanding the full scope of the situation from a mathematical perspective (i.e. Kannas lacking inherent FD) and the amount of hatred is not what I expect from a community that's supposed to be more supportive and mature than this.
I love that, rather than just jumping on the Kanna hate wagon, you've done the proper research and your video provides an objective view of the situation while also recommending solutions that actually address the core problems.
I've always been fine with Nexon removing the Kishin spawn effect but if I'm losing 30% of my DPM while other classes are getting a 15% DPM boost, I think I'll take a long break from Maple. At least until we get Hyper burning in GMS and server-wide/tradeable arcane force (on Reboot server).
The reason why people are* angry(a 285 kanna main), when everyone gets buffed, we get nerfed. if it's a bug, how did it take 2 yrs to figure it out?(the truth is Nexon made it from 120 - 300 before themselves), now when people invested time and money into the char, they said, oh sry, it's not right, it's op. we need to nerf it.???wtf?? any respect to the current players? and if you dig deeper you will realized that this nerf only hurts players and no one barelly gets any benefit from this.
Nice move, Nexon
agreed with all of the points in the video but one, the utility.
there is a document file, made by Kannas that was sent to the CM regarding this nerf, which includes a side by side comparison of the party utility of Kanna and Bishop, needless to say Bishops blow it out of the water easily (i have also been told that Battle Mages are contenders for #1 support spot basically battling Bishops and seems to be true after fact checking).
only issue with Domain is just that it doesnt scale off of INT like Benediction does as you mentioned.
Where's this document file? Would love to read it to know full supportive comparisons to others.
That's complete bullshit. I don't know maybe you're right and Benediction ends up giving a bit more damage than domain late game, sure. But you're forgetting Kanna is the only class with a 15 second bind which is insane due to it's synergy with RoR.
@@LeoZe Not just Benediction. The other buffs give your entire party another 10% FD on top of that+well over 100% normal+boss damage and 44% IED, on top of much less finicky healing sources (Tree doesn't even work half the time because your party needs to also be on the boss for them to get healed, plus they can't even see pink barriers unless the Kanna tells them to stand on top of them).
The 15 second bind is granted, and even other liberated Kannas wouldn't mind seeing that bopped down to 10 seconds or replaced with another skill entirely. (tbh there's more than a few skills in Kanna's kit that just do literally nothing and could be replaced with useful things; Soul Bomb ayylmao, Orochi ayylmao, bubble hyper now that Kish is gone ayylmao)
also if you want to be fully accurate about it: I/L gets a 13s bind along with the 2nd best RoR burst in the game next to Night Lord, and Zero can do 26 seconds minimum, more with 20% CD reset inner. Only downside for Zero is that its damage is kinda shit and was awkward to use, but they get buffed by about 17% over the next 3 months and it doesn't int them to use their big attack on Chrono Break in RoR in Destiny.
@@Mel105CA Couldn't agree any more with this comment and research!
@@LeoZe yeah i didnt mention bind because of obvious reasons, but dont worry i did not forget and i agree it has to go along with domain needing 0 investment other than nodes :)
Honestly the kanna nerf turned out to be even worse than I thought it was going to be. My culvert only dropped about 25%, but that's because you can use vanquisher's charm twice in culvert, which is our burst skill now. In a real boss fight you aren't going to be using vanquisher's off cooldown because it makes you super vulnerable. So considering our main DPM skills (haunting and dopple) got 60% final dmg, the only other relevant DPM skill is tengu. Which imo is a lot more than just the 30% final damage nerf that was predicted. More like a 40-50% final dmg, because kanna is a DPM class. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think bamba's BM clear doubled in time. My personal bossing went to shit too. I'm almost full 21* and 17* arcane (with 1 18* arcane). I can't even do hdamien now, when prenerf I would have the dmg to solo hlucid at this point. Nexon might have intended kanna to be a support class, but bishop is a support class too and they got a decent buff. Kanna is worse than pre buff bishop now.
I feel so sad for those who invested time and money on funding that class. Classes who affect the company’s ability to make profit will always be nerfed.
Personally I have not mained Kanna on regular server or Reboot but I feel that these changes Kanna mains on Reboot the most. The fact that the vast majority of your investment is tied to a single character on Reboot means that migrating to a different class is that much harder.
As a Kanna main from MSEA, this is a really unfortunate news for us too. Worst part is that they do not have Totems.
when will msea get the nerf?
Kanna main here!! This is very upsetting 😡 spent so much time on my kanna trying to squeeze every bit of damage from it and now boom I lose 30% x_x
My thoughts exactly. :P
oh no, now you will have to play the game!!! what a disaster
@@Oxitono ? Please explain what you mean here. Kanna is now unplayable as a solo player and this game more tuned to solo bossing means all the Kanna mains just are forced to switch classes. Watch the video. Coppersan literally said her damage wasn't the greatest, it was just the support capabilities but as a solo player, support capabilities dont mean jack
Just whale out east fix then I have classes get nerfed and survived playing it
I'm kinda torn on this whole thing.
One on hand, Kanna has been the absolute best class for FARRRR too long and needed a spanking with the nerf bat for a while now. The Kishin Shoukan spawn nerf was needed a long time ago but better late than never, I suppose.
On the other, the huge damage nerf seems unfair and completely misses the major problem with Kanna even after Destiny: it was never the damage that Kanna was known for; it's their unrivaled utility with Domain and Haku buffs meaning they're still required for high-level bossing parties. Kinda missed the mark with that one, Nexon :x
Domain needs to be int scaling for sure. But a support class shouldn't be out dps-ing most dps classes for years and it boggles my mind that kanna mains think they should. Was the nerf heavy handed?... probably. but once actual data shows the nerf was too much I'm sure nexon will buff accordingly.
I agree with you. But I think kannas are just crying about being bottomed out for a couple of patches when there are and have been literally classes that have bottomed on dps for years (i.e. DA, phantom, zero, BaM, WA, mihile, paladin, bishop) while kanna was top 5 since the current rework up until the waves of class balances in 2021, and is currently sitting at top 15. Kannas were happy to abuse their class for its spawn enhance, amazing mobbing, top-tier boss utility, and high-end damage despite knowing that it was absolutely going to be nerfed, just a matter of when.
They had a HUGE advantage since the inception of Reboot and while it sucks to lose out on solo dps, their use in a boss party and mobbing are still some of the best. No boss party is suddenly going to drop a funded kanna main for losing some damage. They can hold an L for a couple of patches before they buff it to upper half of classes again after having 7+ years of advantage in Reboot. If people played other characters, they wouldn’t have progressed as far as they did with kanna anyways. Welcome back to earth, kanna. Dont forget to take your chill pill.
@@ccczeldamain I think its mainly due to Kanna being non KMS, so that changes to them are less likely.
The problem with Kanna was being S tier on literally almost every single aspect, damage was far far better than bishops all while being a better support, was the single best mobbing class, is self-sustaining with binds s everything, etc. Imo they just chose to shift it more toward being a support class and I see nothing wrong with nerfing damage over utility if that is the path they chose.
People are just going to move on to the next best thing now, and that will dominate the player base. Nerfing Kanna solves literally nothing. All it does is piss people off who spent time and money on her.
As a person that never used a kana to farm meso to farm this doesn’t effect me but to the thousands that do are gonna miss Kishin so much
Im kinda new to reboot and I also refused to make a kanna, what kind of meso farming methods do you use?
@@loaveth8188 Meso / Drop gear, Legion Gold coupons, Drop Familiars, Meso inner ability and just about anything to increase drop cos realistically when ur farming meso ur gonna want nodes and familiars too :P o and ofc a totem lol
@@Adam-lm1cf thanks man, im waiting for the new patch gonna play hero. Gonna take a while to get those things tho 🤣
I can respect the kishin nerf, and I had expected it from their notice. I came to terms with it. This extra nerf that they didn't even give us a warning about way prior just means we get slapped with a beast tamer level nerf for a class that will otherwise never be looked at again until such time as nexon deems us so trash that we deserve a buff again. Its sad. I have never once even considered jumping jump off Kanna, but i'm seriously considering it.
and fyi, I didn't main her for kishin
Me too. I don’t main kanna for kishin. I have been a kanna main for more than 5 years. I love kanna because she is adorable and she has the dark ghostly feeling and her voice is just so cute, plus haku just too adorable. I always work hard to improve my gears and level just like other endgame maplers would do for their class. I am glad kishin is being modified as I always hate ppl referring kanna as kishin mule/slave/hoe. I just liberated few days ago and was happy that I was good enough to finish genesis weapon journey. After knowing the nerf on kanna, I am so heartbroken I don’t know if I wanna continue playing maple. I can’t bare to play any other classes.
@@tracyhuang49 to be fair you will still be strong. You can still do everything end game but I understand how you feel ~
@@CommanderArmin I mean the damage nerfs makes Kanna pretty hard for soloing bosses now
Why would they do this the deal we had is every time they nerf kish they buff Kanna’s damage as an apology, not nerf both at the same time
I made my first char a kanna a year ago. I still play kanna as my main and won't stop. Still making progress in reboot. The damage nerf is unjusted, but doesn't bother me as much as I like the class playstyle.
Not the first time a class was nerfed into the ground .. TB etc it's happened before we lost hope in Nexon "balancing" a long time ago. We lost hope in them as a company years ago.
true on that XD
TB at ignition is insane
One of the biggest reasons for them to nerf kanna kishin is to slow down your progress. Instead, your main source of income now is going to rely on weekly bosses which will improve and guarantee players attendance in their record.
A fury is basically the same or fz even better but it’s also 10% exp which is still gains for leveling
why are you people acting like meso farming will now be impossible_ tdo what every other job was doing up until now, rely on totems. Thats how it should have ALWAYS been. This BS meta of being forced to main a Kanna to keep up with everyone was ridiculous and I am glad is getting the boot.
@@Baykkosuggest you to read and understand the statement again. Ain’t nobody complaining here about the nerf in kishin. That was just a sharing of one of the reasons for the nerf lmaoo
I used to be able to chain her shield skills and buffs
not anymore because everything has a cooldown now plus this damage nerf, it makes me very sadge as a kanna main
but she's still very fun to train tho
Just so I'm clear... 16% of the player base was playing kanna, so they nerf it to the ground...
Did they think the player base would be like "Oh, that's too bad, time to spend about 50$ on psok to move all my stuff to another character"?
And to the people happy kanna got nerfed, I hope they nerf demon slayer, adele, and nightlord next, because that's all I see anymore in Maplestory.
This came directly from Nexon Korea so not like other servers have a say in it, this was already confirmed when Destiny landed in KMS back in Feb and Frenzy Totem was announced to be banned from lvl 300 area completely. Adele and NL makes sense because they are always in top 10 for every server. but DS is bottom 20 in terms of player population and DPM charts so that's some weird inclusion.
@@Aetolus name 1 300+ area.... We won't see any maps like that till 3 or 4 years from now.
I included demon slayer, because he's got God mode, because of that he's got the fastest black mage solo In the world, being just 12 minutes. Most groups can't even do that.
And we didn't know anything about the over all damage nerfs till someone posted about it like a week ago. And funny how kms gets a say in kanna, when they don't even have kanna.. This is a GMS change
The summon damage changes are actually quite a bit bigger than they seem at first glance, and even that’s putting it lightly. When end-game players are running around with 400~ boss damage and 90-100 crit damage, any skill that doesn’t benefit from these two modifiers is drastically reduced in damage. I ran some napkin math after the reddit post went up and even with just these changes the damage of Kanna’s summons went up something like 12x to 14x.
There’s also the fact that kanna’s summons are wildly inconsistent with what damage boosts can and can’t be boosted by. Any “non-permanent” damage % boost doesn’t apply to them. Tbh I’m not completely sure what counts as “non-permanent”, but I am certain that it doesn’t count things like: guild damage buff, AB link, ark link, illium link, etc. Not to mention apparently skills from kanna’s own kit like haku’s fd buff and yoshizune’s fd buff didn’t apply either for whatever reason.
So while it seems Kanna’s playstyle will refocus into a much more summon-oriented one, I don’t think the actual damage will plunge that much. Probably still a nerf overall, but not a huge one. There’s still the issue of why they’re even messing with damage and not domain but nexon will be nexon.
I mean summons make up 1 percent of ba, even if buffs were like 3-4x damage increase it would make 3-4 percent of someone's ba
the idea that kanna's will refocus playstyle for a summon oriented one doesn't really make sense especially since you just place the summons and then proceed to do you basic kit.
This does however lower the stat requirements for mobbing because boss/kish were usually the bottlenecks
It'd matter more if Kishin didn't both have a small hitbox and could only be placed every 60 seconds, on top of being more than seven times Boss's damage. Any boss that moves at all or where you can't place it at all due to bugginess ( Gloom removes Kishin as soon as the legs disappear if you place it up there, Damien/Lucid/Darknell/Slime/Seren/Will in p1-2 all move way too much) is going to be shit if Kishin is a large portion of your damage.
@@pierolam8515 The BA I got from a guildmate's Kanna (who runs BM in a party) had kishin alone doing about 1.8% BA, and apparently Boss does 0.5% but he didn't use it during that BA. So those numbers combined getting multiplied by 12 - 14 is about 27.6% on the low end and 32.2% on the high end.
@@Mel105CA Kanna does become significantly worse at Slime and Gloom, as well as p2 lucid, but most end-game boss maps (lotus, damien, p1 lucid, will, darknell, vhilla, black mage, and seren off the top of my head) take place on a map consisting of single large ground floor. Kishin's range is almost exactly the distance between the Stigma Coin shop npc and the storage npc at deserted camp (DWT), so roughly 75% of a screen. It's still not ideal, but not impossible.
Boss, at least according to my guild's BM party Kanna, does a little less than 1/3rd of Kishin's damage, and his range is significantly better. Both his and kishin's damage get buffed by over 1000% according to my calculations.
@@gameknight102xx I did a BA yesterday; 0.36% out of a 46t BA (186b) was Boss with it being up the whole time, Kishin was 860b/1.86%. So yeah, my math was off, but the disparity is there especially with function. If their damage values were swapped it would be less bad, since then at least for bossing you could put the summon that matters down more flexibly.
I'll want to hear JMS's statement regarding this, as they gave birth to the Sengoku classes in the first place.
Shame that this had to happen, just when MapleStory went 64-bit, meaning the client can handle nearly all of the heavy Kanna activity, ESPECIALLY spawn rate increase.
And now I feel I dread the 28th of June coming (Part 2 of Destiny in MSEA). Though, I hope someone gets a wake-up call come the Ignition patch.
it was never about the client not being able to handle it, that's a lie nexon made up.
If anyone remembers that bug a few years ago where kish stayed active in a map permanently, bots went around to every single map in the game so the game essentially was on a 5s timer.
that bug lasted for roughly 4 days, and the servers were swamped with players who were farming for that reason, and the servers never had a single hiccup handling it
@@JBLZFTW remenber also the bug who used to make kishin spawn really bad nexon lie about being investigating about the skill and release fenzy totem without any issue and better took Nexon like 6months to fix the kishin who was spawning like 30% more monster
If they have gotten rid of a part of kishin it wouldnt have outraged that many people. For example. Keep the respawn mechanic but delete the increased mob rate. Or the other way around... and the massive damage nerf... o.O...
one simple solution I can think of is to add a Kishin-like skill to the “decent skills” section of the V Matrix so that ALL classes have access to it without having to pay for it.
-and maybe also buff the Totems in a way that makes even Kanna want to buy it. (though I have no ideas for this one)
Ye but they can just remove it and force everyone to buy totems and play for 2 hours straight each time you use a totem.
@@Adam-lm1cf they should make totems work like the free reboot pet where it ticks down while you have it active so you don't have to be worry about grinding for 2 hours straight.
do you really think nexon would do that to their kids who spent hundreds of dollars on the game? they really want all players to be forced to pay them for using the totem in the end they have to be rewarded for the river of money they gave nexon. and who really suffers from all this we are ordinary players
@@FulgurHalcyon i agree personally id prefer a "uses" system so it gets 60 uses each one lasting 2 mins so ucan use them to do arcane dailies too
She has great mobbing and her support for party still amazing.
I will keep playing with her tho, i dont care for top damage. Btw i think the nerf is fair but maybe they could give us a little more final damage passive for solo bosses to compare with the new Bishop.
yeah so i was solo'ing hlotus and hdamien, and some other bosses....
but now after destiny i time out of all of them..... feels very bad :'(
i main kanna... kanna nerf ..i cant even hit mobs... how to play help.......
Well I guess my goal of killing CRA is going to be delayed for a while... I was almost there with Kanna on reboot :(
Same. I have JUST made the stat and range threshold for it and am now learning that I probably wont be able to do it for another long period of time starting in...2 days? Bishop here I come.
Welp all my hard work down the drain 😔 ✌🏽 bye bye kana we had a good run sweet girl but now I must go to demon slayer
I think if they just gave every class her spawn rate increase it woulda been fine
They're more likely to remove totems completely than globally boost spawn rates tbh.
This may be bad or good but ill give it a try: how about Blessing of the Five Elements also give a fair final damage boost based on how much int the character has or maybe let kanna summon the previous yaksha summons before 4th job.
Nexon really seems to hate kanna.... there was absolutely no reason to nerf kanna even more that they ALREADY HAD!
How do you rush with the mount?
More than that, how to get that boar mount?
@@buituan8477 its from a previous anniversary event, long gone
Yeeeeeears ago, I used to be a Luminous main in Windia. They nerfed it so badly, especially it's mobility that I simply quit the game, only returning for some bruning events and quitting again. I was more active during the remaster Kanna, when her abilittys were supper pretty and there was the Tera burning. So I could finally have my first lv 200 character. I loved playing with kanna since she is a mage, pretty skills, and has nice mobility. And now they'll nerf her. I find it funny how everytime I play a class they massive nerf the class to the point it's unplayable, especially for super casuals like me.
the nerf is sooooo bad i didnt even switch main i just throwed the game in the trash bin
Same not interested in playing a game where i can invest time and then its just pointless over night lol nah ill find a game where the developers don't have their head well and truly up there rear ends.
@@Adam-lm1cf every game has op class and nerfs, there aint no game where everything is balanced lmao, you suck at the game if you wanna play the top class only
@@Adam-lm1cf thank God 😂😂
@@Dnite13 110% agree get good
@@Dnite13 Did i say im only interested in playing an op class ? Kanna isnt op for damage lol its OP cos of kish and support ... Nerfing those would make sense but to remove 20-30% of the damage makes no sense. Actually maple isnt bad as far as balancing goes cept for kanna which i agree needed nerfing but they went the wrong way lol. But congratz Dnite13 and chandler mason on being typical trolls 🤣🤣 Rather sad lol
will you do a new training video for destiny?
275 kanna here got around 70k stat non reboot. This is really crappy. Kishin I don't care I got frenzy totem. But the damage nerf? I just lost 30 grand for all my end game gear grinding. Like if your gonna touch damage then you can either refund me what I spent to get that damage. Or you can leave it alone. The nerf is to big 10% sure that's fine. But 27%???????
I think it’s funny how at some point in time every magician class has stood at the top of the meta (kanna for the longest) only to inevitably fall from grace
this isnt a "fall from grace" though, we're getting put in the bin and shipped to the bottom of the ocean
@@Fabio_26 Pfft, you still have Domain, a 15-second bind and Haku. You'll be fine. Welcome to being an average class like the rest of us.
@@Fabio_26 yall flew too high now u in the crust
@@Fabio_26 As long as you have these insane supporting tools honestly Kanna doesn't deserve to have very high damage like other classes.
@RandysRage Although that's great for mules these nerfs actually impact those who want to solo boss and main kanna which is a MAJOR aspect of bossing progression. Because of how vital solo bossing is to this game most classes with heavy party utilty also have really decent damage well soloing or will be changed to have great solo bossing damage such as bishop or battle mage making solo progression which is vital to end game progression expecially on reboot viable. Finally most kanna mains would not complain if the class was being made "average" they are not they are being put on the bottom by a large margin, and before you try to argue that the class is a "support" and has party utilty please refer to what i mentioned above, this game is not only designed only around party bossing with solo bossing generally being larger aspect in my opinion which is why classes like battle mage, paladin(after destiny), or bishop(after destiny) now have damage to allign with everyone else when solo bossing, kanna will not. If you're going to argue that kanna should not have adequate solo bossing which they will not with these changes despite kms clearly trying to make all classes including other classes with strong party utility viable for that progression then I can only say your logic is flawed.
If you want a detailed explanation on all this you can also find a document going into major details with proper numbers and analysis on the kanna discord showing proper data of how abysmal kanna damage is going to be, so no it's not average like the rest of the classes.
Nexon, again, pushing its players away from the game
Kanna has been the most overpowered class for years. I think the nerfs could have been handled differently, but still there wasn't any other class in the game more deserving of nerfs than Kanna.
So no, if anything Nexon is encouraging people to play other classes, instead of people pumping out more Kanna's to abuse like 30% of Reboot population
@@LeoZe Or you know, just buff the other classes? Crazy idea right? Why nerf this class that so many people spent time and money on? Just buff up the rest. Making all of the classes shit isn't a great way to incentivize people to pay other classes. It just makes all of them miserable.
@@DaShikuXI because Kanna was overpowered in ways they couldn't give to other classes, since KMS didn't want them in the first place. Such as spawn boosting and 15 second bind.
The only reason Kanna could get away with having that stuff was that it was made and balanced outside of KMS
@@DaShikuXI Ignoring the practical limitation that Kanna is not a class in the server that does all the balance changes so they'd riot if classes were just buffed substantially for absolutely no real reason, because when there is one class that is clearly out of line by a mile, nerfing one class is a hell of a lot easier than buffing 40+ classes.
And something that is not discussed enough with all the Kanna changes is that the DPM charts they're based off of aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Kanna was an absolutely top tier solo bosser before the nerfs. You can't just look at DPM and say "yep, barely above average" because nobody else has the utility that makes them so good in party available to them.
Were they over nerfed? Maybe, but it's really hard to feel bad for a class that was "nuked from orbit" and will still be wanted in every single late game bossing party and is a top tier mobber. I will be absolutely shocked if they're not still an overall top 5 class post nerfs. Adele was the only class that came even remotely close on this front before hand.
Good thing I transferred all the nx to my explorer class that was on kanna this week fk nexon destroying my main
I feel like people are so blinded by their hate for the class that they’re not understanding how crazy of a nerf this is. Every other class is either getting big damage buffs in destiny or not getting touched much at all (like adele), so for a class to get a 30% FD nerf in the same patch is literally insane. All while they don’t touch domain or long bind…I feel really really bad for kanna mains who just like the spirit summoner style class
I hate Kanna more than most but I agree Nexon completely missed the point. Instead of punishing the people abusing the broken parts of Kanna which is the reason I've hated the class for a long time, they are just punishing the people that actually like the class and don't deserve that bs.
@@LeoZe Nexon want you spend money on totem. Now with NERF, they get what they want.
I played a lot my kanna as well, and I do used to play her for the kishin buff at first, but I played her cause I was happy to be able to share the buff with my friends to help them. Then they removed that.
I don't really care about a change in xp, in just pain me that it will be less satisfying to grind now that I will need to wait for the mob to respawn after clearing the map too quick.
I spend so much time getting her to 251, close to 252, but im kinda thinking to just play with another class and move on.
I will not be able to have as much fun with grinding, and I will not be able to compasate with bossing with the damage nerf.
I might as well grind my beast tamer so I can keep on helping friends while doing actual damage.
this is sad :(
Thank you for bringing light to this!
when I was trynig to main a second job I wanted to main a Beast Tamer, but at some point I realized that NexAm wont ever care enough about its exclusive jobs to update them as they require, so i quit it. That said I seriously doubt that Kannas will end up under Jett or Beast Tamer when it comes to damage. JMS takes good care of its jobs, thats why Kanna and Hayato were OP to begin with, whereas Jett and BT are fulll of bugs.
Finally a bean brigader that has our back. Ty Copper you are awesome
I really don't like Kanna. It feels holo and easy to level and train, but that damage nerf is tough. Last time Kanna got a nerf this bad to her damage was when Haku's fan was nerfed. I understand wanting to phase out Kanna for other classes, but a damage nerf wasn't needed. The Kishin nerf was enough.
I agree, I leveled her recently for link/legion, and wow she is so easy.
Anything happening to Hayato?
Hayato is FINE, don't touch my Hayato!
Instead of nerfing Kanna they should have just buffed other classes to be as good as Kanna. Now you just ruin years of people's effort into building up their Kannas. Nerfing the top end doesn't fix the problem, you gotta buff up the low end. Thank god I didn't ever bother investing in a Kanna though.
How would u propose they buff all other classes to kanna level? Should all classes have spawn booster skills? Should they all have 15 sec binds? Where’s the silver lining?
@@austinp3979 Kishin node with fury totems deleted /done
@@austinp3979 Remove spawn booster from Kanna, and make maps inherently have more spawn.
Yes you can give every class a 15 sec bind.
Buff the damage and mobbing of lower tier classes. Increase attack ranges on lower tier classes. Give more classes party buffs.
I'm so glad I stopped playing when I saw the initial idea to nerf Kishin for Kanna. I absolutely saw this shit storm coming, and decided to just not touch MapleStory anymore until I saw what the actual nerfs where gonna be and what Destiny was going to do for the game. I like that the nerfs incentivize to play other classes as a main without the need for a Kanna farmer, but it still feels like the whole grinding on base spawn problem is going to be ignored until the end of time, which is sad.
Frenzy or fury exists if ur server has it or make every class have self spawn to make it even
I've heard horror stories about the stability of Hayato and from that alone it was clear that I shouldn't even try to make him into a bossing character even though I thought he looked really cool. The only thing that Nexon can do to restore any trust in their ability to provide proper balancing for non-KMS classes is to actually introduce them into KMS. Without that, I think any new player would be shooting themselves in the foot to main any non-KMS class.
Speaking of hayato all hail the REAL # 1 hayato in reboot LoneBushido !!!
Agreed on all. I think the biggest thing about Kanna was that she just did everything right. Decent farming, good damage potential, great support, undoubtedly THE best mule option (reducing spawn rate itself is broken on so many levels, and she can do more), and so on. Removing the reduced spawn rate was most definitely deserved. However, they shouldn't reduce her damage, especially not that much. It's overkill.
I'm not mad about Kanna losing her place as undoubtedly the best class. In fact, I'm welcoming it. However, even if it's Kanna, this is a bit too much.
Did the revamp ever happen?
they should have got rid of kishin like almost 10 years ago when it came out instead of letting the players rely on it for so long
nooooo i haven't made a kanna for link and legion yet
As always Ronald kicks ass with a new video ~ thank you so much coppercheers
Farewell Kanna........
just came back after 10+ years and got a kanna to 104 but now i think ill change it(-: shes super fun to play tho!
Kanna main, so sad to hear this.....I think the reason is exactly in the start of the video, Kanna population too high, and probably many unfunded player due to her easy leveling and high damage. So with one single character nerf Nexon can distribute all that population of players to other classes, potentially more money to earn for them.
They always do this, why is everyone surprised? Kanna is not fun
was Kishin nerfed years ago or am i crazy/hallucinating
I'm going back to maple, which character for a starter account would be better, demon slayer has been recommended to me
Didn't only adventurer's get actual buffs? Phantoms still sitting near the bottom of the charts, even after nerfs kanna will still outdamage them and still be higher priority in parties.
I don't know about Phantom specifically, but I know plenty of other classes got buffs such as Evan and Thunder Breaker.
Primarily adventurers, but there were other changes that made other classes good. Like, Thunder Breaker is now "I'm speed", and Demon Avenger's damage is okay...ish.
Also, not every adventurer got actual buffs. Marksman was awful, and it still is.
There is a lot deeply funny about all the complaining about a class that will still be wanted in every bossing party ever and still be one of the fastest/best mobbers being "nerfed to death".
Agree with coppersan as a kanna main i would love to see the domain become reliant on Int as i HATE that my class is made by everyone cos they want domain in there party and would make bishops played more maybe ? Honestly happy to see kish nerfd wish theyd done it from day 1 tbh instead of just nibbling at it annoying everyone each time they tapped it slightly. Though id love to see totems have Uses that say each use lasts 2 mins giv them 60 uses with a 7 day duration on the item so u can buy them to do dailies with or just do a lil training here and there, hate feeling locked into playing for 2 hrs cos i popped a stupid totem
Honestly you're by far the most based Kanna main I've seen and I can tell you genuinely like the class, unlike what I'd say is the majority of Kanna mains that only mained her to abuse Kishin or easy bossing parties with domain.
I always said Kanna deserves to be nerfed to the ground, but I hope for people like you that Nexon actually finds a good solution to Kanna rather than what they're doing right now.
@@LeoZe The class has been broken for a long time and i mained it just cos i like the class styling with the taoist type thing and i prefer support classes but sucks when its so op everyone makes one ... my other char is a bishop which is fun too and could be even better in destiny but we shall see :P
what mount was that? seems perfect for perma-beginner.
It was a skill from the pixel anniversary event. You got it while coin capping and you don’t get it again when you finish.
kanna main just got back to the game 3 weeks ago...got some nx started working on char again. aaaaaaand im gone. fuck nexon
Kanna doesn't even exist in KMS there is no saving kanna
BUFF PHANTOM NEXON LET ME SEE COPPERSAN MAKE A VIDEO CALLED “PHANTOM IS AMAZING NOW”
6:37 Even better idea would be to make Domain only affect the caster.
I hope GMS goes down way way deeper in the well after this update
I hope players quit
people will just move to reboot really, and that is losing a lot of money.
Ooof, looks like my sister is going back to her bowmaster soon
I mained demon avenger. It became the most trash class after I funded it wasting lots of time and money. Decided to switch to Kanna to have a main that's worth using. Funded it all the way to full arcane umbra, legendary potentials and now it's going to be garbage. Guess I'm gonna just call it quits on maple. It's just time for me to let it go. Clearly it's not meant for me
Kanna still provides the same amount of support, gear doesn’t affect her support at all. Still useful just not needed now
@@austinp3979 yeah I understand that, but it's been my experience in maple as of lately, that everyone in the game is just a robot. Sitting afk, no real partying to do bosses anymore. I mean I guess joining guilds changes that but idk. Feels like you have to solo everything now. Still gutting the damage sucks. Making it mediocre is one thing. But making It by far the worst. Idk. Seems like alot
@@UnholyGsus I can agree that the dmg nerfs where pretty harsh, I do believe in time they will get smaller incremental buffs over time. As someone who doesn’t have 6k legion or ever really joined a guild I can agree that progression can be a bit lonely at times. The times I have joined a guild they always had a lot of resources to help me out! Ik it seems daunting/maybe somthing ur not into but the benefits far out way the cons imo
@@austinp3979 Kann's solo bossing is total trash now. PPl grind so they can solo harder bosses and enjoy the progression. Who wants to put hours and effort into a class where funding means meaningless? When an lv 250 domain mule with trash gear can compete with lv 280 kanna with full Arcane and pitched. What's the point? You know what ppl would actually prefer domain mules as they won't ask for a loot ration.
@@austinp3979 you're probably right. I just need to go out of my way more to interact with people and try to group on things. Im not saying the Kanna didn't need to be nerfed. I completely understand it. I just wish it hadn't been so extreme
I'll probably be hated for saying that but the nerf is well deserved, there is too many Kanna main around and i hate the fact that it was "mandatory" to create one. The meta will probably shift towards the bossing mule, maybe Maplers will still take Kanna as their bossing mule but this new meta will (I think) create a feeling that you can just take any classes as a boss mule as long as you enjoy the class. Yes it will be mandaory now to make a boss mule but at least new or returning player won't feel forced to pick up a Kanna but any class they want...
I wouldn't say it's mandatory. You could just do bossing, which yields major bucks. All you have to do was invest a bit into your mules, which is a bit better than investing into a character you have no intention of playing. I can't be bothered to grind so much so even with a Kanna a lot of my money came from bossing and other shit. The nerf to Kannas is majr uncalled for. The Spawn nerf? Yeah, sure. However saying they DESERVED to have 30% of their damage stripped is a bit of a stretch considering how worthless they are now. I used this class to rush events so I wouldn't have to sit there farming all day for each event. Now what use does this class have? I can't even use it as a mule now lol.
Good that i stopped playing on Luna, and started on reboot cus on Luna kanna was my main
Now fenzy totem owner gonna print more meso nice Nexon
rip, i used 4 kanna to cap coin in event.... do daily quest to get AF & coin. Bye kanna, sad
It's like nexon wants to lose a giant chunk of their player base smh
Demon avengers: *cries in HP*
kanna kishin nerf 50% still can accept...try check msea (f5)
today is a good day
Been watching since like 2011 love u guys
Like trusting Nexon on anything is already a bad take, they are really known to screw the player base, favor the hackers and "balance" in the most dumb way possible even worse when it's not related to KMS classes.
Was looking for something encouraging to return to maple but I need to thank Nexon form keeping me from wasting my time in this game.
Yooo how did you get that hog
Just wait until all these Kanna haters are dying to recruit Kanna in their parties. It will be a lot more difficult to find a Kanna main from now on. You guys are now stuck with those cheap Kanna domain mules with trash gear you hated the most.
Idiot kids jelly of kannas ruined everything...they are greeen the envy killed them
Did people forget Blaze Wizard still exists? Kanna is far from the worst class lol
Wait till the ignition update :P you seen them in Kms atm ?
@@Adam-lm1cf Yeah the Ignition update absolutely gutted our class. I hope they have better changes in the next KMST.
Pressed F for the old Kishin.😭
not worst class...
Still no kishen nodes? :( Ok ill come back after ten years
This has me Gutted ive been maining kanna for years
Considering they just added more party content at the late and endgame it kinda makes sense that they touched the dps and not the support ... But it's still dumb those dps nerfs
Well not just ... Its coming in a year but ye
But everyone mained Kanna because she is fun right? Not because she is OP? :))))))) So no need to change main
i was thinking giving another chance to maple, look my main class got nerfed to hell well, maple said me no to my thoughts
for me i feel nexon dev just a dummy copy paste in kms and are they rly play the game or just see info in redit ? time to delete maple i guess
Ban the frenzy totem so no one gets spawn enhancers then. That way it is fair.
Main Kanna here, i'm not Mesos farmer just a regular player, took me around 13 years to reach 250, all my time and money spent to have just 11M Damage will be gone with this nerf xD i should quit now
Maple is already a solo game, remove kishin so be it, why reduce the damage? bishop is a supportive class too yet the damage is so high. Yet Maplestory wont care because of other players spending so much money into the game mindlessly that Maplestory wont see a problem with it. They will continue to pay content creators to convince us that everything is okay
just levelled one to 210 damn.
Shoot me if I'm wrong but wasn't Kanna supposed to be a support class in the first place?
Isn’t kanna in the top 10 of every dpm chart after their rework though? I think kanna was definitely top tier in damage. But I do agree that they shud let domain scales with int instead so that domain mules wouldn’t be prioritised over other geared classes…
Nope, before the rework. After she drops down to bottom 4th, and then every class below her gets close to 50% final damage in buffs and skill cooldown adjustments for their full rotation.
Lara gang forever. But at least now we know that Nexon can balance just as good as riotgames
I feel like kanna's spawn bonus is passable due to how boring kanna is.
i'd rather have something "unbalanced" in that way than the stuff they're doing now, making every class feel the same.
Now that the bandwagon won't exist, I want to make a kanna.