He was punished for talking about how he thought Rampage should be judged in a YT video published not long before Rampage. Not an smart thing to do. Also, is not news that judges like "slopestyle" tricks. It's been that way for quite a few years.
@@docmccoy9813 I agree, but it's just more proof that the judges don't know how to remain objective. You're supposed to be an adult and put feelings to the side. The acrobatic tricks that Semenuk throws are impressive, but can be practiced to the point of muscle memory. A raw, natural line with varying terrain creates unpredictable, loose riding -- and that's what freeride should be. No other Rampage line gets me hyped like Andreu's from a few years back. Dude misses his mark on several landings, gets wild, still decides to trick the jump and hangs onto it while going right into another hit. If the "makes it look too easy" applies to anyone, it is Semenuk and not Brendog.
Do you even know who the judges are? They created this style of riding and are ten times the rider brendon will ever be. There are some legends of the sport know for their innovation and bushing the boundaries. The jaw drop is still arguably the largest drop ever attempted and he tried like 7 or 8 times. Smarten up
@@docmccoy9813judges like progression and flow. Not some janky rider doing the same line and same tricks he did 5 years ago. It didn't win then why does anyone think it would be a winning run now
@@geerummyes you have a great point brendog and his team should be acting like professionals, not like clowns looking for clout and a participation medal
Absolutely. The judges are ruining the biggest freeride event by transforming it into slopestyle event that leaves the spectators AND the riders dissapointed. The way they score the rides is just bonkers.
I've got to say, Rampage 2024 might be the last one I watch. The spectacle is incredible and the riders are heroes, but I just can't stand the incomprehensible judging decisions.
I agree. On the one hand they didn't reward Brendog for coming up with an incredibly technical and challenging line but not having very many tricks in it. But if tricks are the key to winning then Godziek should have taken it, those were major tricks perfectly executed. Rampage isn't what it used to be.
The whole thing is bollocks , not quite as bad as UCI with the DH championship which unbelievably they have managed to make it so boring it’s actually impressive, but Rampage …. No clue what they see as “ good “ I’m guessing they don’t ride bikes
It definitely needs to change . Brandon's run was insane.... but it was down a smooth highway Brendogs was raw , rough , technical and had massive tricks. Proper Rampage. One of the problems with revisiting sites is using a run that is essentially prebuilt . The woman's event was sick because it was all fresh .
@@piotrpiotr358 😂👏🏻👏🏻 brilliant! I saw some other guy in another post had scored Brendog and Brandon’s runs on the judges categories and unsurprisingly Brendog won! Close between Godzy and Brendog!👍🏻
80% at the viewers choice, voted Brendog or Godziek - Tailwhips and barspins is not Freeride and the judges have somehow ruined Rampage by rewarding a rider who does pure slopestyle tricks in a Freeride competition and at the same time declassing Brendog, the rider who has the most spectacular freeride line.
Who ever said freeride isn't barspins and tailwhips aren't freeride???? Clearly you've never done any of those tricks because if you have you would understand doing a switch whip off a 26ft drop into another drop is the most freeride you can get.
@@Boxbeat666 because he made a “freeride” line. He didn’t have any big tricks apart from the canyon flip. Rampage has always been about either rad lines with crazy tricks.
@@rafmillerr I do have a BMX and done lots of barspins - but it is not possible to do barspins with a freeride bike due to the fork and the brake hoses. As I said, a big majority of the MTB community do not want Rampage turned into just another slopestyle event. And Rampage will no longer be relevant to most people if riders like Brendog do not want to be part of it anymore.
This year's outcome at Rampage was like awarding podium spots to bowlers who had used those guard rails that they put up for children while Brendog created his own LANE, bowled a fucking STRIKE, and was then penalized 30 points for refusing a Red Bull.
I posted this on another video but I'll post it again here: ~Brendog (11th)~ * Steepness: 9/10 * Rawness & looseness: 9/10 * Amplitude: 7/10 * Creativity: 10/10 * Tricks: 6/10 * Exposure: 9.5/10 * Execution: 9.5/10 * Speed: 8/10 ~Semenuk (1st)~ * Steepness: 6/10 * Rawness & looseness: 2/10 * Amplitude: 7/10 * Creativity: 6/10 * Tricks: 10/10 * Exposure: 4/10 * Execution: 9.5/10 * Speed: 10/10 My Scores: * Brendog: 68/80 = 85.0/100 * Semenuk: 54.5/80 = 68.1/100 I think judging should be something similar to this, and I think they should display the scores for each section
you call judges biased and yet you're not less biased than then, in what world would Brendog get 8/10 for speed for example? Semenuk creativity should also be scored very high, he was the only one to do tailwhip or barspin and his line was also different than others. I also disagree with the results, but what I see in comments is mostly even bigger misjudgment
@@mmmmkkk 1) I didn't call them biased 2) Brendan didn't stall on any of his features and went down the steep sections very quickly, so I think a 7 or 8 is warranted. Obviously Semenuk could go a bit quicker though since his line was basically a highway 3) Doing slopestyle tricks that others can't do on an ultra-groomed line isn't creativity. Also, he wasn't the only one to tailwhip
They tried this in X Games snowboard big air and it was a disaster. The viewers voted famous American riders with sketched out tricks above Euro riders with perfect stomps. Good idea but it doesn't work in reality
Sadly new combers who aren’t known jet would just fall of the edge because not a lot of people know them yet. And as we have seen with Ethan Nell’s first rampage, a rookie can make it on the podium first rampage. Only dual crown forks, hmmmmmh I don’t know. Some also had single crown forks in on of the first Rampages. It can also benefit in really tight corners around boulders. A percentage of untouched Line would be cool I agree, but the riders should atleast be able to prep these Zones a little bit, otherwise it can be really sketchy for them!
i've been watching rampage for years and honestly i've never liked the scoring system, generally i turn it off as soon as the last rider has finished his run.
Judging should change. what a farce . Godziek , Brendog and Tom v were given a raw deal . I wonder what Red Bull thinks of all the negative comments. We need a Monster Freeride Series somewhere in Europe or South Africa, lots of mountains there too.
Is a front flip a trick? A trick is just make a feature more difficult. Jumping a canyon is easier than flipping a canyon and that is easier than front flipping a canyon. Is just that simple. Brendog's line may look much more technical but he was waaay slower than the "slopestyle" riders.
The judging has gone from ify to bad to downright horrendous over the past few years. There is obvious bias towards certain riders and they definitely reward slopestyle tricks (amplitude as they put it) over originally which has spoilt one of the world's greatest sporting events. They gotta change but I doubt they will, sadly. 😢
Yes it does. But this TVS narrative I think is very distracting from what I believe the core problem is. I think the top 4 is more or less correct, I might have shuffled them a little bit but it’s all arguable. TVS had the best trick but the entire run may have been a little lopsided and yet landed top 5, compared to complete lack of respect given to Brendog I don’t really feel much sympathy for TVS. It’s a good finish for a good run, I might even agree better than Brendog but this year had heavy competition and Godziek really brought the excitement from top to bottom. I knew that when Semenuk landed his run that the judges were about to rub the salt in the wound of slopestyle in rampage online chatter after the crowds response to BFs score. At the end of the day I do not think tricks are the problem. Semenuks run was awesome and I want him to come back and do it again. The issue is a balanced approach for the non trick riders. Who won between the 4 is whatever. What I can factually say with certainty is that Brendogs run was better than Kyle Straights slipped tailwhip run. The judges are wrong 1000% there.
I agree. I think to the "non trick riders" that they should know as in past and as per common sense, if you don't have the big gnarly tech tricks off the gnarly features then you better strait air even ganrlier features and carry more speed then the tech riders. You can't expect a good finish if you don't check any of those boxes and just play up that you are finishing a legends line and play it up that your digger had a nose bleed during the build and that those things are going to get you gold. His run didn't get him gold when he did it 5 years ago, any competitive rider would know they need to step it up or change something major. Hence why Brandon wins all the time. Top 5 riders were all doing nbd's or at least pushing their own abilities with things they had never done before That's what it take to get gold. Mirra and nyquist didn't create their legacy by doing the same tricks as 5 years prior and expecting to win xgames with it
@@tjpighinIt was not the same run. The point is that for the judges and obviously you anything which is not big air is nothing. But freeride is not only big air and tricks.
@tjpighin he changed the majority of his run though. I agree he shouldn't have won but top 5 easy. As long as they want to call it a freeride contest the line top to bottom should be the biggest influence of the score IMO. It's not a freeride competition if/when most riders are rising the same verry verry manicured jumps. That's when it becomes a slopestyle comp.
@@gesundheitstips2197 it was basically the same run. Same bangers. Even the announcing is almost the same. Same flip canyon gap, same flip down low, same rock strait air. He took out a canyon gap for the first chute/small step up, and he re routed the bottom to get to jordies drop but he made it into a chute with a small drop at the bottom. The changes he did were completely buffed and sculpted smooth not raw "rampage freeride style". And even his connectors that were the same, he was going slower than last time he did it 5 years ago. Not a top 5 ride. Not a winning ride and not really progressing from his 2019 ride
fwiw. I saw a suggestion on another video regarding scoring - perhaps in future there should be no conferring, and simply let each judge submit their own score and tally those up - not only would that allow the scores to fall into place more naturally, but also show which judges were impressed (or not) by which kind of ride/approach?
That's an awesome idea. I sat there in disbelief when they were side by side comparing runs to other individual runs where they really shouldn't be comparing like that at all - each run individually judged based on its merit. The whole system is ratshit.
It would actually be a really cool thing if they could have each rider do their run and still interview the riders after. Then, at the end, show a highlight reel of each riders "biggest" moments. And then allow the viewers to cast a vote. Simple and interactive. Id be more likely to watch it the day of just to participate
Its not that the format needs to change, its been the same. Judging criteria has been the same forever, line choice is 25% of your score, Fluidity and Control are 25%, Tricks 20%, Amplitude and air 20% and Style is 10%. of the score. What they should do is what they did during RedBull district ride. In that event they had 5 sections and each section had its own score and then averages together. They can do that with the portions of the Rampage. Then what else they should do is go through how the scoring works on air just before the event like they do in speed and style. In speed and style they just go into detail explaining what tricks take time off your line versus not doing a trick on a feature. That way its fair for the super fast and the ones that are not as fast but dropping banger tricks. This could be applied to Rampage and it would work and then people would understand the score and it would make each run make sense. Its the judges seem to just score what they like best at rampage and it could change each year even though for the most part its the same judges every year. We need new judges for sure on top of what i mentioned. Also this is the only competition Freeride event we have. Maybe Go-Pro or monster, or insta-360 or someone make a couple more events for freeride. maybe even keep tricks out or give them less value. So many places even in the US this can be done.
The line should always be the biggest influence on the score as long as they want to call it a freeride contest. If not they should really call it mega slopestyle or big air or something and just let every team build a course together and see who can huck the biggest tricks down it.
You bring up a solid point, and it's definitely a hot topic in the mountain biking community! The shift in Rampage judging criteria has been a point of contention for many. The roots of freeride lie in line choice, creativity in using the terrain, and riding with style, rather than focusing solely on throwing down a bunch of tricks. But, as you mentioned, the recent judging has leaned more towards rewarding trick-heavy runs, which has changed the essence of the event. Bren's run probably represents that more pure vision of freeride-creative line choice and reading the terrain in a way that not many others do. But if the judges are favoring trick progression, riders like him can end up scoring lower even if they ride impressively in other respects. It's that balance between staying true to your own riding style and adapting to the criteria of the event. The way Swatch 9s highlights progression through tricks and big-air features seems like a possible direction for Rampage. If the event continues down this path, we might end up seeing a more trick-centric version of Rampage, just with the raw and rugged terrain of Utah.
The judges are just embarrassing. You can't disrespect anybody competing here because they are all some of the best in the world and every run from top to bottom is just insane. But it seems like it's becoming more of a friends and family affair when it comes to judging. I personally would much rather see people like Brendog and Brage W take on a whole new unbuilt mountain.
Definitely time for a rethink. If Brendog was marked down because he was too good, what does that say about the judges marks for Semenuk when his run was described as flawless? Doubt next year will be essential viewing for me. UA-cam highlights out of curiosity at most. Can the rampage recover after being tarnished so badly?
It's not arrogant. The fact is none of these riders even know how the scoring actually works... We can "say" we know.. but then a rider will put down a better run than last year and get 10 points less.. He was expecting a higher score because he felt he had ticked all the boxes for that high score.. according to what HE thought the judges wanted..
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_and the run should be scored 10 points less. The whole point of a competition is to progress the sport and entertain the masses bringing money to the sport. Hence why Brendon doing the same tricks and line as 5 years before scored so low. You don't wanna go backwards just to give some "poor me" guy and his crying team a gold. This sport should continue to progress bigger badder and better.
@@tjpighin Brendogs shute, Jordie´s drop and the jump onto the rock are new features and they are way gnarlier than the line choice 5 years ago -- you are an ignorant.
@@TheGarnh8r the drop is half the size it was supposed to be as they cut the takeoff out and made it another buffed chute or roll in to small drop. And yes I agree, the step up to rock is a sweet addition but he took out another canyon gap and gnarly high speed section to build the step up and this new section is all manicured smooth and he was going slow down it. Yes his top steep section was sweet but not winning sweet and still buffed to the 9's. Not winning or top 5 worthy run at all
It would be so easy 1. No Sandbags 2. No Waterpipes on the mountain 3. No sharing lines 4. Only 2 Shovels an 1 Pick per Team 5. Only 5 Day of digging So you can built Trickjumps if you want that style for u run. But you and your Team had to carry the Water by yourself to the spot on the mountain. -> one trickjump to score but less time for an overall run to built. So you had too choose what is more importand. Tricks or a top to bottom prepared line. ->no Team up-> no Bikepark jumps/landings, because there is no manpower of 12-16 People to built those massive features. You can see Brendogs Team achieved big Stuff only by 3 People building it! -> big plus point, less affect by the wind at the competition because no 75food drop
What about demolishing all man made features at the end of every comp? So you have to start afresh each year and can't leverage from a previous year's build. You still have to have diggers for making the lines safer but it means you limit the buffing and smoothing time.
I agree that the ranking this year needs to be reviewed, but we need to stop with this trend "they did tricks so it's slopstyle". All the runs we've seen are freeride. There are just lines that were shaped more than others. But since when is sending a backflip or a tailwip on a big drop considered slopstyle and not freeride? Tricks have always been part of freeride and this sport. By saying that you are disrespecting the performance of all these athletes. The problem comes from the judges and their scoring criteria which are not consistent from one year to the next, not from the riders who express themselves on the field according to their desire and ability
My suggestion regading changes needed to put Rampage back to the path of freeride event - It is necessary to shorten the time dig crew have for building. There will be more rough stuff riding and less perfectly shaped slopestyle jumps. Rampage is basically "flow trail" 😆 riding, these days. Totally different experience from what it was 20 years ago.
Great summary Ben...I'm with you on the rethink....only because it was dissatisfied riders in numbers. However it takes nothing away from the spectacle without the scores. We do have to thank RedBull for this event over the years.
I can't remember too much about Semenuk run apart from the tail whip not worth the win from my point of view. The judges need to be cleared out as it feels way to biased and Brendog clearly isn't in the cool kids club and never will be but wow what an amazing rider and he keeps coming back for more punishment. Hope he doesn't stop coming back to rampage was surprised as the previous year score. The battleship feature is a pretty high bar in free riding if Semenuk did the same top to bottom run in his style I feel its likely he would take the win.
I think Rampage has room for more than one category. More than one event per year. Like, a giant slopestyle event AND a raw sketchy downhill event. If the two or more category’s were created each one would push way further.
We should have been celebrating the last true freerider on a freeride course in a freeride competition… instead we are(yet again) talking about the seemingly appalling judges. There was not one score/ranking that I agreed with and I seem not to be alone in that sentiment. Thank you for making this video.
I'm with those fans who are finished with this event because of the judging. Hope the RedBull producers and executives who were watching heard the boos raining down from the mountain and from the finish coral when Brendog's score was announced, and that the sound stays with them. It's the sound of fans tired of the abysmal judging over the past few years and it's the sound of their signature MTB event circling the drain.
Indeed everything you said is true, Brendog killed a raw and precise run like no other, and even finished Jordie's drop! The amount of grooming and smooth features really is moving away from the heart and soul of true freeride at Rampage
I honestly stopped watching the live event, subjective judging is always a problem in events like this. I'd be fine with everyone doing a run, and handing out awards a week later after people get to understand and compare more realistically. On the spot, its so hard to judge without turning it into a point per trick type much like freestyle whitewater kayaking.
The format of Red Bull rampage does not need to be reformatted. Instead, the judges should be more in tune with the original judging criteria. Rampage used to be judged upon line choice, exposure, tricks, speed, style and difficulty. The judges these days are more than caught up in the tricks. Which is quite frankly not what free ride is all about. Rampage judges need to stop judging this event like it’s slopestyle.
As a long time fan who did a lot of freeride stuff in the 2000s I think the controversy is a little overblown. Seminuk Def should not have won, I have him in 6th or something. I'm really glad tmac got rewarded for a huge technical send he did not trick, since the canyon he gapped was rampage as fuck. I have him 1st. I think Brendogs placing reflects the progression of the field. He placed better than guys who were getting big tricks of the price is right drop. Which is massive. The fact that multiple riders flipped price is right is insane because in other years that would be a winning move. So it makes sense that brandon would also have to do more to place well this year. His run was sick but the features were smaller than what others rode who scored less. So for him to go out and say he got "last place" is mad disrespectful to the riders who went massive and scored lower than him. Like if u go back and watch runs last to first u see that the judges did reward brendogs technicality. They just also rewarded other riders amplitude. Really they just scored seminuk way too high for a run that had missed variation on the last 3 and cases and no massive features, as well as the biggest moment basically being him flexing that he has oppo tail whips on lock. Like for the amount of oppo tail whips he has done doing one where he dies if he misses pedals isn't on the level of the shit tvs, godziek and tmac were doing. 1st tmac 2nd tvs 3rd godziek Only out to lunch score was seminuk. Not a sport altering catastrophe just a fuck up from judges who have done more for freeride mountain bike than we can dream of
Why does there have to be a "winner"? Who loses if Rampage becomes a display of the elite-of-the-elite of big mountain riders skills and creativity, a collaborative exhibition instead of a competition where judges are an accorded an inordinate role?
there has to be a winner as this is a huge end of season pay day for the winner. im sure anyone of them would have found the $100,000 1st prize a great season finishing pay day... though im sure if redbull picked up the expenses bill and paid $10,000 to each rider and ran it as an end of season exhibition , it would be great....
feels like rampage has become slopestyle with bigger consequences. obviously massive respect to the high scoring riders - they're all insanely good and great to watch - but outside of a few big sends there was little of the technicality of brendog's run or of past freeride events. Its a shame that tailwhips score higher than sick flips.
I bet they could live with their positions if their scores were at least fair. Yeah Tom's front flip could technically be a 4th place, but should have been scored higher. Same with Brendon.
Rampage evolved over the years and No, Brendog never learned he did this for years and nothing happened to him to get to the podium, he is not the judge, but them. This is the definition of insanity, he should have stick to racing, his run has only 3 tricks in 2024. He should reflect.
Those judges have cost the event all of it's prestige. Riders won't show up,and those that do won't do epic runs. What's the point of doing something special to be marked down in favour of a slopestyle run
I don't know why they bothered with a score and not just ranked them in the order they liked. They didn't use a pre-set list of criteria and award points in each category, the did side-by-side comparisons of each riders to others based on what they felt was similar and assigned a number that gave their predetermined rank. All that said the point of the competition is big lines not flashy tricks. And in that regard the tricks were piss-poor even compared to what Freestyle MX does these days it was all just flips, no showmanship.
I'd get rid of all the judges for a start. To biased. Then change format maybe. . I'd say semenuk was a 3rd or 4th .godziac 1 stenburg 2 fairclough 3rd
@@docmccoy9813ya if they get rid of judges that created this sport, then it would just be a clown show like monster jam is now and the best vlogger would win every comp instead of the best rider. The epitome of participation medal competition.
It’s not just Rampage… Hardline has become an absolute shambles in my opinion, over the past couple of years the bad organisation and last minute attempts at getting a wow factor at the cost of safety is an absolute joke! Shame on RedBull, and the Athertons….
I’ve been saying this for years now. Rampage, which once was a technical, freeride event, is more like a big slopestyle event that rewards manicured lines and the most tricks. Riders have to beat the terrain into submission instead of using the terrain to their advantage to win
Losing rampage to a flip is like Ronan Dunne losing Hardline because Matt jones flipped one of the jumps! Obviously the Monster sponsor played a part! Redbull is as exclusive as a diddy party!
Fire the judges, implement a simple to use and access scoring system that allows the fans (on site spectators as well as people at home streaming) to score each run twice. Once just after the ride and once after the entire comp wraps up. It will not only give riders the props they deserve and result in much better scoring, (maybe not perfect but better) it will also drive more people to watch live and create a super fun event for the mtn biking community. Obviously there would have to be more to my scoring method but its a start. Not sure how you could mathmatically equal out scores where everyone has a different number of judges chiming in and you would also have to prevent the over voting spam to cheating but it's possible for someone smarter than me to figure out.. Other than that I have no interest in watching a "freeride" comp that punishes the only rider to actually put together a freeride line. So dumb, how long are they going to let these same dudes ruin this competition year after year? With each years new competitors incentivized to do nothing but smooth out big buttery jump lines so they can do more trix.. Whats weird is Berrecloth and Bender have both complained in the past how rampage was losing its freeride name and turning way too slopestyle. BOTH those guys were judges this year.. WTF? Fire them all.
Ever since Bienvie didn’t get the podium last years it’s been very clear that the winner of rampage is selected beforehand not chosen based off their run. I’m a big time Semenuk fan but this was total rubbish Godzilla Godziek had the most insane line in rampage history. Now look I appreciate the technicality level of BrenDawg’s line but it was not seen by the judges or viewers as being as exciting or unnerving as many of the other competitors lines. Either way I get the feeling that since no one else took a second Run to bolster their first run/position it was Semenuk’s for the taking. If Godzilla did a similar run for his second run I’m 99.9% sure he would have won the gold. Maybe they hate BrenDawg cause he rides for Monster!
Well, FMX had a similar issue with scoring the same tricks in best trick and runs high and scoring new innovative tricks shockingly low. This resulted in the fans getting bored to see the same stuff year after year and killed a big portion of the sport. Hope the are not making the same mistake here, people don’t want to see clean highway like lines with slopestyle tricks one after another.
Earlier riders get screwed by lower scores to allow a benchmark. Then they have no reason to put in a second run, as it couldn’t justify a 10-20 point increase for taking a foot off to add more to their run. I feel at a minimum, all first runs should be scored after all contestants have been. It’s not like Slopestyle where they all do the same line and see that rider X did a 360 off a drop, so knowing this, rider Y can get a higher score by doing a tuck 3 off the same feature for a higher score. Their lines and tricks are planned ages in advance. I won’t go into judges favoured riders, the colour of the energy drink they wear on their sleeves, or that RB is a media company and “boring” technical gnarly lines don’t buy viewers….. 👀 Brendog was humiliated, Godziek should have won, and TVS is an absolute daredevil.
In way to many competitions and events have the judges and umpires ruined the entire show! This is one great example. I thought Red Bull Rampage was about free-riding and not park-riding. Situations like this make the entire event loose credibility and make riders change their focus onto something the judges want, and not for the show or the audience. Great things dont last forever, RBR is ruined! Josh Bender godfather of hucking, mentor and inspiring to this entire event cant be happy by what RBR has become over the years. SMH!
You nailed it on the head. This is why the fans are up in arms and should not be judges. This whole controversy is because of his vloge and making everything public. Maybe he should have concentrated on his line and tricks instead of his vlog and maybe he would have broke into top 10
The lads were at the Canyon landing, to be able to grab Brendog if he made a mistake - big consequences if falling down that Canyon... Use your brain....
Brendogs fans are really ruining the sport, trash talking other riders over a judge opinion and being honest his run wasnt even a top 5 he does the same run since 2019
Brendog didn't just get robbed, he was actually punished for building a line that none of those judges could ride and for having a voice.
He was punished for talking about how he thought Rampage should be judged in a YT video published not long before Rampage. Not an smart thing to do. Also, is not news that judges like "slopestyle" tricks. It's been that way for quite a few years.
@@docmccoy9813 I agree, but it's just more proof that the judges don't know how to remain objective. You're supposed to be an adult and put feelings to the side. The acrobatic tricks that Semenuk throws are impressive, but can be practiced to the point of muscle memory. A raw, natural line with varying terrain creates unpredictable, loose riding -- and that's what freeride should be. No other Rampage line gets me hyped like Andreu's from a few years back. Dude misses his mark on several landings, gets wild, still decides to trick the jump and hangs onto it while going right into another hit. If the "makes it look too easy" applies to anyone, it is Semenuk and not Brendog.
Do you even know who the judges are? They created this style of riding and are ten times the rider brendon will ever be. There are some legends of the sport know for their innovation and bushing the boundaries. The jaw drop is still arguably the largest drop ever attempted and he tried like 7 or 8 times. Smarten up
@@docmccoy9813judges like progression and flow. Not some janky rider doing the same line and same tricks he did 5 years ago. It didn't win then why does anyone think it would be a winning run now
@@geerummyes you have a great point brendog and his team should be acting like professionals, not like clowns looking for clout and a participation medal
Absolutely. The judges are ruining the biggest freeride event by transforming it into slopestyle event that leaves the spectators AND the riders dissapointed. The way they score the rides is just bonkers.
I've got to say, Rampage 2024 might be the last one I watch. The spectacle is incredible and the riders are heroes, but I just can't stand the incomprehensible judging decisions.
I'm just gonna keep watching the women's rampage cause they still actually ride freestyle, I really enjoyed this year's women's event
I agree. On the one hand they didn't reward Brendog for coming up with an incredibly technical and challenging line but not having very many tricks in it. But if tricks are the key to winning then Godziek should have taken it, those were major tricks perfectly executed.
Rampage isn't what it used to be.
The whole thing is bollocks , not quite as bad as UCI with the DH championship which unbelievably they have managed to make it so boring it’s actually impressive, but Rampage …. No clue what they see as “ good “ I’m guessing they don’t ride bikes
Yeah smae here. Too long broadcast and o f course those judges are way out of course. Idiots
I feel the same way. It became background noise while I did other things after I saw his score. That was such a bummer.
It definitely needs to change .
Brandon's run was insane.... but it was down a smooth highway
Brendogs was raw , rough , technical and had massive tricks. Proper Rampage. One of the problems with revisiting sites is using a run that is essentially prebuilt . The woman's event was sick because it was all fresh .
#1 Godziek/Brendog
#2 Brendog/Godziek
#3 Tom Van Steenbergen
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#11 Semenuk - its not a fooking slopstyle competition.
@@piotrpiotr358 😂👏🏻👏🏻 brilliant! I saw some other guy in another post had scored Brendog and Brandon’s runs on the judges categories and unsurprisingly Brendog won! Close between Godzy and Brendog!👍🏻
Agree.
Redbull Rampage 2024... or how a bunch of dopey judges single-handedly ruined the reputation of one of the World's Greatest Action Sports Events.
Judges nailed it. Top 5 were where they should be. Tough to decide top three but watching it back and nit picking I would say they got it right
@@tjpighin I think you'd be in the minority with that perspective. I can only guess you're dating one of those knuckle-heads or somehow related :)
@@tjpighinreally?///
@@tjpighindid a judge write that ? Clown
80% at the viewers choice, voted Brendog or Godziek - Tailwhips and barspins is not Freeride and the judges have somehow ruined Rampage by rewarding a rider who does pure slopestyle tricks in a Freeride competition and at the same time declassing Brendog, the rider who has the most spectacular freeride line.
Money + judges = corruption
Who ever said freeride isn't barspins and tailwhips aren't freeride???? Clearly you've never done any of those tricks because if you have you would understand doing a switch whip off a 26ft drop into another drop is the most freeride you can get.
@@rafmillerr how come bren dog got riders choice by the public in almost every poll done then ?
@@Boxbeat666 because he made a “freeride” line. He didn’t have any big tricks apart from the canyon flip. Rampage has always been about either rad lines with crazy tricks.
@@rafmillerr I do have a BMX and done lots of barspins - but it is not possible to do barspins with a freeride bike due to the fork and the brake hoses.
As I said, a big majority of the MTB community do not want Rampage turned into just another slopestyle event.
And Rampage will no longer be relevant to most people if riders like Brendog do not want to be part of it anymore.
This year's outcome at Rampage was like awarding podium spots to bowlers who had used those guard rails that they put up for children while Brendog created his own LANE, bowled a fucking STRIKE, and was then penalized 30 points for refusing a Red Bull.
I posted this on another video but I'll post it again here:
~Brendog (11th)~
* Steepness: 9/10
* Rawness & looseness: 9/10
* Amplitude: 7/10
* Creativity: 10/10
* Tricks: 6/10
* Exposure: 9.5/10
* Execution: 9.5/10
* Speed: 8/10
~Semenuk (1st)~
* Steepness: 6/10
* Rawness & looseness: 2/10
* Amplitude: 7/10
* Creativity: 6/10
* Tricks: 10/10
* Exposure: 4/10
* Execution: 9.5/10
* Speed: 10/10
My Scores:
* Brendog: 68/80 = 85.0/100
* Semenuk: 54.5/80 = 68.1/100
I think judging should be something similar to this, and I think they should display the scores for each section
Amen
you call judges biased and yet you're not less biased than then, in what world would Brendog get 8/10 for speed for example? Semenuk creativity should also be scored very high, he was the only one to do tailwhip or barspin and his line was also different than others. I also disagree with the results, but what I see in comments is mostly even bigger misjudgment
@@mmmmkkk
1) I didn't call them biased
2) Brendan didn't stall on any of his features and went down the steep sections very quickly, so I think a 7 or 8 is warranted. Obviously Semenuk could go a bit quicker though since his line was basically a highway
3) Doing slopestyle tricks that others can't do on an ultra-groomed line isn't creativity. Also, he wasn't the only one to tailwhip
Solution:
1) No judges, interactive viewer voting only.
2) Dual crown forks only
3) #% of the run natural untouched terrain.
The viewer voting thing is a sick idea
@@LouisCollison-rj5ksI dunno, if they do that it just becomes a popularity contest. The biggest social media presence wins.
They tried this in X Games snowboard big air and it was a disaster. The viewers voted famous American riders with sketched out tricks above Euro riders with perfect stomps. Good idea but it doesn't work in reality
Spot on!
Sadly new combers who aren’t known jet would just fall of the edge because not a lot of people know them yet. And as we have seen with Ethan Nell’s first rampage, a rookie can make it on the podium first rampage.
Only dual crown forks, hmmmmmh I don’t know. Some also had single crown forks in on of the first Rampages. It can
also benefit in really tight corners around boulders.
A percentage of untouched Line would be cool I agree, but the riders should atleast be able to prep these Zones a little bit, otherwise it can be really sketchy for them!
Yes it's totally messed up and getting worse over the years
No one it's mentioning Adolf Silva who in my opinion did one of best rounds and deserved at least 3 or 4th
i've been watching rampage for years and honestly i've never liked the scoring system, generally i turn it off as soon as the last rider has finished his run.
I did exactly the same
Same. I was so pissed off I actually tuned off not long after Brendog's run.
Probably won't watch next year (spoiler... I probably will cause mtb)
Good idea tho!
Judging should change. what a farce . Godziek , Brendog and Tom v were given a raw deal . I wonder what Red Bull thinks of all the negative comments. We need a Monster Freeride Series somewhere in Europe or South Africa, lots of mountains there too.
This has simply become a trick contest. Thats not at all what rampage was ever about.
Is a front flip a trick? A trick is just make a feature more difficult. Jumping a canyon is easier than flipping a canyon and that is easier than front flipping a canyon. Is just that simple. Brendog's line may look much more technical but he was waaay slower than the "slopestyle" riders.
@@docmccoy9813 Everybody would have to be slower if riding Brendogs line, especially your "slopestyle" riders
The judging has gone from ify to bad to downright horrendous over the past few years. There is obvious bias towards certain riders and they definitely reward slopestyle tricks (amplitude as they put it) over originally which has spoilt one of the world's greatest sporting events. They gotta change but I doubt they will, sadly. 😢
Yes it does. But this TVS narrative I think is very distracting from what I believe the core problem is. I think the top 4 is more or less correct, I might have shuffled them a little bit but it’s all arguable. TVS had the best trick but the entire run may have been a little lopsided and yet landed top 5, compared to complete lack of respect given to Brendog I don’t really feel much sympathy for TVS. It’s a good finish for a good run, I might even agree better than Brendog but this year had heavy competition and Godziek really brought the excitement from top to bottom. I knew that when Semenuk landed his run that the judges were about to rub the salt in the wound of slopestyle in rampage online chatter after the crowds response to BFs score. At the end of the day I do not think tricks are the problem. Semenuks run was awesome and I want him to come back and do it again. The issue is a balanced approach for the non trick riders. Who won between the 4 is whatever. What I can factually say with certainty is that Brendogs run was better than Kyle Straights slipped tailwhip run. The judges are wrong 1000% there.
All valid points. Thanks for your comment 👊
I agree. I think to the "non trick riders" that they should know as in past and as per common sense, if you don't have the big gnarly tech tricks off the gnarly features then you better strait air even ganrlier features and carry more speed then the tech riders. You can't expect a good finish if you don't check any of those boxes and just play up that you are finishing a legends line and play it up that your digger had a nose bleed during the build and that those things are going to get you gold. His run didn't get him gold when he did it 5 years ago, any competitive rider would know they need to step it up or change something major. Hence why Brandon wins all the time. Top 5 riders were all doing nbd's or at least pushing their own abilities with things they had never done before
That's what it take to get gold. Mirra and nyquist didn't create their legacy by doing the same tricks as 5 years prior and expecting to win xgames with it
@@tjpighinIt was not the same run. The point is that for the judges and obviously you anything which is not big air is nothing. But freeride is not only big air and tricks.
@tjpighin he changed the majority of his run though.
I agree he shouldn't have won but top 5 easy.
As long as they want to call it a freeride contest the line top to bottom should be the biggest influence of the score IMO. It's not a freeride competition if/when most riders are rising the same verry verry manicured jumps. That's when it becomes a slopestyle comp.
@@gesundheitstips2197 it was basically the same run. Same bangers. Even the announcing is almost the same. Same flip canyon gap, same flip down low, same rock strait air. He took out a canyon gap for the first chute/small step up, and he re routed the bottom to get to jordies drop but he made it into a chute with a small drop at the bottom. The changes he did were completely buffed and sculpted smooth not raw "rampage freeride style". And even his connectors that were the same, he was going slower than last time he did it 5 years ago. Not a top 5 ride. Not a winning ride and not really progressing from his 2019 ride
fwiw. I saw a suggestion on another video regarding scoring - perhaps in future there should be no conferring, and simply let each judge submit their own score and tally those up - not only would that allow the scores to fall into place more naturally, but also show which judges were impressed (or not) by which kind of ride/approach?
Nice idea
That's an awesome idea. I sat there in disbelief when they were side by side comparing runs to other individual runs where they really shouldn't be comparing like that at all - each run individually judged based on its merit. The whole system is ratshit.
It would actually be a really cool thing if they could have each rider do their run and still interview the riders after. Then, at the end, show a highlight reel of each riders "biggest" moments. And then allow the viewers to cast a vote. Simple and interactive. Id be more likely to watch it the day of just to participate
Its not that the format needs to change, its been the same. Judging criteria has been the same forever, line choice is 25% of your score, Fluidity and Control are 25%, Tricks 20%, Amplitude and air 20% and Style is 10%. of the score. What they should do is what they did during RedBull district ride. In that event they had 5 sections and each section had its own score and then averages together. They can do that with the portions of the Rampage. Then what else they should do is go through how the scoring works on air just before the event like they do in speed and style. In speed and style they just go into detail explaining what tricks take time off your line versus not doing a trick on a feature. That way its fair for the super fast and the ones that are not as fast but dropping banger tricks. This could be applied to Rampage and it would work and then people would understand the score and it would make each run make sense. Its the judges seem to just score what they like best at rampage and it could change each year even though for the most part its the same judges every year. We need new judges for sure on top of what i mentioned.
Also this is the only competition Freeride event we have. Maybe Go-Pro or monster, or insta-360 or someone make a couple more events for freeride. maybe even keep tricks out or give them less value. So many places even in the US this can be done.
Those judges was sacking
The line should always be the biggest influence on the score as long as they want to call it a freeride contest.
If not they should really call it mega slopestyle or big air or something and just let every team build a course together and see who can huck the biggest tricks down it.
You bring up a solid point, and it's definitely a hot topic in the mountain biking community! The shift in Rampage judging criteria has been a point of contention for many. The roots of freeride lie in line choice, creativity in using the terrain, and riding with style, rather than focusing solely on throwing down a bunch of tricks. But, as you mentioned, the recent judging has leaned more towards rewarding trick-heavy runs, which has changed the essence of the event.
Bren's run probably represents that more pure vision of freeride-creative line choice and reading the terrain in a way that not many others do. But if the judges are favoring trick progression, riders like him can end up scoring lower even if they ride impressively in other respects. It's that balance between staying true to your own riding style and adapting to the criteria of the event.
The way Swatch 9s highlights progression through tricks and big-air features seems like a possible direction for Rampage. If the event continues down this path, we might end up seeing a more trick-centric version of Rampage, just with the raw and rugged terrain of Utah.
I just hope we continue to see the same great, jaw dropping moments that we all remember from past events. That front flip I will never forget
@@TheBikeStudio his metal balls throw sparks so bright that can be seen from the space station … I don’t know how the mo’fo walks with balls that big
Un-change it. That's all I gotta say. I was there and I along with the rest of the crowd booed so loud that the announcers made a point of it.
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_ really all I want to hear from you is.. what are you wearing Jake from State Farm
@@Michaelarvin71 Khakis... Of course.
Strict and short, right into the point, no extra bla-bla.. very good video!
@@yankohristov2361 🙏
The judges are just embarrassing. You can't disrespect anybody competing here because they are all some of the best in the world and every run from top to bottom is just insane. But it seems like it's becoming more of a friends and family affair when it comes to judging. I personally would much rather see people like Brendog and Brage W take on a whole new unbuilt mountain.
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Definitely time for a rethink. If Brendog was marked down because he was too good, what does that say about the judges marks for Semenuk when his run was described as flawless? Doubt next year will be essential viewing for me. UA-cam highlights out of
curiosity at most.
Can the rampage recover after being tarnished so badly?
i was wondering when Rampage was gonna turn into another popularity contest just like Surfing and the WSL and SLS Skateboarding.
Frontflip was on my mind days after
Rampage has always been about the exposure and the lines, not tail whips
The REDBULL judges must hate brendog because he drinks the wrong energy drink.
TVS saying "wow" after hearing his score, 89.33, not a bad score, is arrogant. He thinks having the biggest trick equals first place, which is wrong.
It's not arrogant. The fact is none of these riders even know how the scoring actually works... We can "say" we know.. but then a rider will put down a better run than last year and get 10 points less.. He was expecting a higher score because he felt he had ticked all the boxes for that high score.. according to what HE thought the judges wanted..
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_and the run should be scored 10 points less. The whole point of a competition is to progress the sport and entertain the masses bringing money to the sport. Hence why Brendon doing the same tricks and line as 5 years before scored so low. You don't wanna go backwards just to give some "poor me" guy and his crying team a gold. This sport should continue to progress bigger badder and better.
@@tjpighin Brendogs shute, Jordie´s drop and the jump onto the rock are new features and they are way gnarlier than the line choice 5 years ago -- you are an ignorant.
@@TheGarnh8r the drop is half the size it was supposed to be as they cut the takeoff out and made it another buffed chute or roll in to small drop. And yes I agree, the step up to rock is a sweet addition but he took out another canyon gap and gnarly high speed section to build the step up and this new section is all manicured smooth and he was going slow down it. Yes his top steep section was sweet but not winning sweet and still buffed to the 9's. Not winning or top 5 worthy run at all
@@tjpighin paid Brendog hater replying to everything lmfao
I don’t agree in changing the one freeride competition to being another of the slope style competitions. Judges need to be changed.
It would be so easy
1. No Sandbags
2. No Waterpipes on the mountain
3. No sharing lines
4. Only 2 Shovels an 1 Pick per Team
5. Only 5 Day of digging
So you can built Trickjumps if you want that style for u run. But you and your Team had to carry the Water by yourself to the spot on the mountain. -> one trickjump to score but less time for an overall run to built. So you had too choose what is more importand. Tricks or a top to bottom prepared line.
->no Team up-> no Bikepark jumps/landings, because there is no manpower of 12-16 People to built those massive features. You can see Brendogs Team achieved big Stuff only by 3 People building it!
-> big plus point, less affect by the wind at the competition because no 75food drop
that's my idea as well, just less option to polish the line, everything will follow
What about demolishing all man made features at the end of every comp? So you have to start afresh each year and can't leverage from a previous year's build. You still have to have diggers for making the lines safer but it means you limit the buffing and smoothing time.
I agree that the ranking this year needs to be reviewed, but we need to stop with this trend "they did tricks so it's slopstyle". All the runs we've seen are freeride. There are just lines that were shaped more than others. But since when is sending a backflip or a tailwip on a big drop considered slopstyle and not freeride? Tricks have always been part of freeride and this sport. By saying that you are disrespecting the performance of all these athletes. The problem comes from the judges and their scoring criteria which are not consistent from one year to the next, not from the riders who express themselves on the field according to their desire and ability
exactly, THAT
The front flip was insane, should have been worth more for sure
I agree, it was insane but it's a freeride comp not a best trick comp. It was definitely legendary either way
My suggestion regading changes needed to put Rampage back to the path of freeride event - It is necessary to shorten the time dig crew have for building. There will be more rough stuff riding and less perfectly shaped slopestyle jumps. Rampage is basically "flow trail" 😆 riding, these days. Totally different experience from what it was 20 years ago.
Great summary Ben...I'm with you on the rethink....only because it was dissatisfied riders in numbers. However it takes nothing away from the spectacle without the scores. We do have to thank RedBull for this event over the years.
@@RoryHitchens thanks Rory 🙏
I can't remember too much about Semenuk run apart from the tail whip not worth the win from my point of view. The judges need to be cleared out as it feels way to biased and Brendog clearly isn't in the cool kids club and never will be but wow what an amazing rider and he keeps coming back for more punishment. Hope he doesn't stop coming back to rampage was surprised as the previous year score. The battleship feature is a pretty high bar in free riding if Semenuk did the same top to bottom run in his style I feel its likely he would take the win.
I think Rampage has room for more than one category. More than one event per year. Like, a giant slopestyle event AND a raw sketchy downhill event. If the two or more category’s were created each one would push way further.
Yes so that the weaker riders have the opportunity to possibly get a podium instead of 10th or 11th
The judges should not be able to confere with each other, end-of !!!!!!
can somebody make a video on who are those judges and their qualifications!!!
We should have been celebrating the last true freerider on a freeride course in a freeride competition… instead we are(yet again) talking about the seemingly appalling judges. There was not one score/ranking that I agreed with and I seem not to be alone in that sentiment. Thank you for making this video.
You’re welcome 🙏
I'm with those fans who are finished with this event because of the judging. Hope the RedBull producers and executives who were watching heard the boos raining down from the mountain and from the finish coral when Brendog's score was announced, and that the sound stays with them. It's the sound of fans tired of the abysmal judging over the past few years and it's the sound of their signature MTB event circling the drain.
Indeed everything you said is true, Brendog killed a raw and precise run like no other, and even finished Jordie's drop! The amount of grooming and smooth features really is moving away from the heart and soul of true freeride at Rampage
Brendog got robbed so bad…
Whistler is slopestyle... Rampage is gnarly lines. I feel for the judges and those who are armchair judges.
I honestly stopped watching the live event, subjective judging is always a problem in events like this. I'd be fine with everyone doing a run, and handing out awards a week later after people get to understand and compare more realistically. On the spot, its so hard to judge without turning it into a point per trick type much like freestyle whitewater kayaking.
1 little variation in a backflip omitted and the score goes from a podium run to an 11th place.
The format of Red Bull rampage does not need to be reformatted. Instead, the judges should be more in tune with the original judging criteria. Rampage used to be judged upon line choice, exposure, tricks, speed, style and difficulty. The judges these days are more than caught up in the tricks. Which is quite frankly not what free ride is all about. Rampage judges need to stop judging this event like it’s slopestyle.
Rampage judging is a mess! Maybe they should investigate the judge’s to make sure there is no’ funny’ business!
Rampage doesnt even come close to Hardline these days .. its done !
This is the last rampage i watch. Far to many politics involved eg. Sponsorship. The judging is beyond a joke now its not even funny
Very good video you unserstand the sport and I agree with you in every point .
I feel the worst for Tom !
Thanks for your kind words 👊
As a long time fan who did a lot of freeride stuff in the 2000s I think the controversy is a little overblown. Seminuk Def should not have won, I have him in 6th or something. I'm really glad tmac got rewarded for a huge technical send he did not trick, since the canyon he gapped was rampage as fuck. I have him 1st. I think Brendogs placing reflects the progression of the field. He placed better than guys who were getting big tricks of the price is right drop. Which is massive. The fact that multiple riders flipped price is right is insane because in other years that would be a winning move. So it makes sense that brandon would also have to do more to place well this year. His run was sick but the features were smaller than what others rode who scored less. So for him to go out and say he got "last place" is mad disrespectful to the riders who went massive and scored lower than him. Like if u go back and watch runs last to first u see that the judges did reward brendogs technicality. They just also rewarded other riders amplitude. Really they just scored seminuk way too high for a run that had missed variation on the last 3 and cases and no massive features, as well as the biggest moment basically being him flexing that he has oppo tail whips on lock. Like for the amount of oppo tail whips he has done doing one where he dies if he misses pedals isn't on the level of the shit tvs, godziek and tmac were doing.
1st tmac
2nd tvs
3rd godziek
Only out to lunch score was seminuk. Not a sport altering catastrophe just a fuck up from judges who have done more for freeride mountain bike than we can dream of
I was really surprised that Brendog competed this year after all the piss take scores over previous years.
2:15 redbull did Tom Van Steembergen dirty by calling him American
Why does there have to be a "winner"? Who loses if Rampage becomes a display of the elite-of-the-elite of big mountain riders skills and creativity, a collaborative exhibition instead of a competition where judges are an accorded an inordinate role?
there has to be a winner as this is a huge end of season pay day for the winner. im sure anyone of them would have found the $100,000 1st prize a great season finishing pay day... though im sure if redbull picked up the expenses bill and paid $10,000 to each rider and ran it as an end of season exhibition , it would be great....
feels like rampage has become slopestyle with bigger consequences. obviously massive respect to the high scoring riders - they're all insanely good and great to watch - but outside of a few big sends there was little of the technicality of brendog's run or of past freeride events. Its a shame that tailwhips score higher than sick flips.
Redbull need to cleanly state if Rampage if Freeride or now a Slopestyle event.
So what does this have to do with ebikes?
one simple would need to change weights of it. like speed 20% syle20% rough terrain 20% height lengths of jumps20% viewers 10% tricks 10%
I’ll continue to reach for the Monster thanks
I agree with the comments, judges in the format need to be changed
I'm an Ebike rider and I could have done the line that Brendan did and with more style too.
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What a shock!
Monster energy sponsored rider who did the best run doesn’t win Red Bull sponsored event !
FFS! Fixed much. 🙄
I bet they could live with their positions if their scores were at least fair. Yeah Tom's front flip could technically be a 4th place, but should have been scored higher. Same with Brendon.
Judges should be called out and fired for incompetence.
Brendog absolutely should have won, they are scoring the event like a slope style instead of a FREERIDE event!!!
Rampage evolved over the years and No, Brendog never learned he did this for years and nothing happened to him to get to the podium, he is not the judge, but them. This is the definition of insanity, he should have stick to racing, his run has only 3 tricks in 2024. He should reflect.
Should dump the judges and incorporate an anonymous rider scoring system.
It should be judged by that years participants.
They know how to show respect for each others efforts and achievements.
Yes
Brendog was punished for not being a RedBull rider. Really bad marketing of RedBull.
The old guard of judges needs to go, clean house, they're bias and we've all been saying it for years.
Those judges have cost the event all of it's prestige. Riders won't show up,and those that do won't do epic runs. What's the point of doing something special to be marked down in favour of a slopestyle run
I don't know why they bothered with a score and not just ranked them in the order they liked. They didn't use a pre-set list of criteria and award points in each category, the did side-by-side comparisons of each riders to others based on what they felt was similar and assigned a number that gave their predetermined rank.
All that said the point of the competition is big lines not flashy tricks. And in that regard the tricks were piss-poor even compared to what Freestyle MX does these days it was all just flips, no showmanship.
I would like to know who the judges were and what their background is. It might explain their decisions.
I'd get rid of all the judges for a start. To biased. Then change format maybe. . I'd say semenuk was a 3rd or 4th .godziac 1 stenburg 2 fairclough 3rd
Yeah, people's vote is better, right. Too bad for those riders who doesn't post vlogs on YT and just ride.
@docmccoy9813 People's vote is no way better. You'd have people that don't even understand riding voting just for personal bias and favourites.
That's how I rated it and I know I'm not alone.
@@docmccoy9813ya if they get rid of judges that created this sport, then it would just be a clown show like monster jam is now and the best vlogger would win every comp instead of the best rider. The epitome of participation medal competition.
Good thing you were not judging then 🤣🤣🤣. "He/him and I judge with my heart and feelings"
Definitely a rethink (at the very least...) !
It’s not just Rampage… Hardline has become an absolute shambles in my opinion, over the past couple of years the bad organisation and last minute attempts at getting a wow factor at the cost of safety is an absolute joke! Shame on RedBull, and the Athertons….
I think the judges need to be changed. There seems to be some bias in their decisions, and they really messed up this last year and this year.
Answer to your question, yes as it is judged, not the digging and finals format itself
I’ve been saying this for years now. Rampage, which once was a technical, freeride event, is more like a big slopestyle event that rewards manicured lines and the most tricks.
Riders have to beat the terrain into submission instead of using the terrain to their advantage to win
Losing rampage to a flip is like Ronan Dunne losing Hardline because Matt jones flipped one of the jumps!
Obviously the Monster sponsor played a part! Redbull is as exclusive as a diddy party!
Fire the judges, implement a simple to use and access scoring system that allows the fans (on site spectators as well as people at home streaming) to score each run twice. Once just after the ride and once after the entire comp wraps up. It will not only give riders the props they deserve and result in much better scoring, (maybe not perfect but better) it will also drive more people to watch live and create a super fun event for the mtn biking community. Obviously there would have to be more to my scoring method but its a start. Not sure how you could mathmatically equal out scores where everyone has a different number of judges chiming in and you would also have to prevent the over voting spam to cheating but it's possible for someone smarter than me to figure out.. Other than that I have no interest in watching a "freeride" comp that punishes the only rider to actually put together a freeride line. So dumb, how long are they going to let these same dudes ruin this competition year after year? With each years new competitors incentivized to do nothing but smooth out big buttery jump lines so they can do more trix.. Whats weird is Berrecloth and Bender have both complained in the past how rampage was losing its freeride name and turning way too slopestyle. BOTH those guys were judges this year.. WTF? Fire them all.
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It’s not what we intended, this is paved highway acrobatics.
I want to see free-ride!
Maybe it’s time for Benny to show his face again?♾11♾
Ever since Bienvie didn’t get the podium last years it’s been very clear that the winner of rampage is selected beforehand not chosen based off their run. I’m a big time Semenuk fan but this was total rubbish Godzilla Godziek had the most insane line in rampage history. Now look I appreciate the technicality level of BrenDawg’s line but it was not seen by the judges or viewers as being as exciting or unnerving as many of the other competitors lines. Either way I get the feeling that since no one else took a second Run to bolster their first run/position it was Semenuk’s for the taking. If Godzilla did a similar run for his second run I’m 99.9% sure he would have won the gold. Maybe they hate BrenDawg cause he rides for Monster!
Well, FMX had a similar issue with scoring the same tricks in best trick and runs high and scoring new innovative tricks shockingly low. This resulted in the fans getting bored to see the same stuff year after year and killed a big portion of the sport. Hope the are not making the same mistake here, people don’t want to see clean highway like lines with slopestyle tricks one after another.
Antoine Bizet was also robbed in 2012, the problem of judges is old…
May be a Rampage with a slopestyle run and a freeride run on the same course? So the Rider can decide which discipline she or he will Ride?
Earlier riders get screwed by lower scores to allow a benchmark. Then they have no reason to put in a second run, as it couldn’t justify a 10-20 point increase for taking a foot off to add more to their run. I feel at a minimum, all first runs should be scored after all contestants have been. It’s not like Slopestyle where they all do the same line and see that rider X did a 360 off a drop, so knowing this, rider Y can get a higher score by doing a tuck 3 off the same feature for a higher score. Their lines and tricks are planned ages in advance.
I won’t go into judges favoured riders, the colour of the energy drink they wear on their sleeves, or that RB is a media company and “boring” technical gnarly lines don’t buy viewers….. 👀
Brendog was humiliated, Godziek should have won, and TVS is an absolute daredevil.
yeah the judges are so shit
1# Godziek/Brendog
Person of the Year Brendog
In way to many competitions and events have the judges and umpires ruined the entire show! This is one great example. I thought Red Bull Rampage was about free-riding and not park-riding. Situations like this make the entire event loose credibility and make riders change their focus onto something the judges want, and not for the show or the audience. Great things dont last forever, RBR is ruined! Josh Bender godfather of hucking, mentor and inspiring to this entire event cant be happy by what RBR has become over the years. SMH!
I also felt bad Brendog didn’t have some of the lads at the finish line to cheer and hug instead of vlogging up the hill
You nailed it on the head. This is why the fans are up in arms and should not be judges. This whole controversy is because of his vloge and making everything public. Maybe he should have concentrated on his line and tricks instead of his vlog and maybe he would have broke into top 10
think they were needed on the hill to water braking points and take offs
The lads were at the Canyon landing, to be able to grab Brendog if he made a mistake - big consequences if falling down that Canyon... Use your brain....
Spot on mate...lad science at it's best❤...
@@MrStonedraider
@@TheGarnh8r use my brain? What they were going to catch him? Or jump down the cliff to get him? They were there for the clip. You’re cooked
yes
An event ruined by judging.
Use the surfing way of judging
5 judges in separate rooms.
Highest and lowest deleted and rest averaged out
Simple
Brendogs fans are really ruining the sport, trash talking other riders over a judge opinion and being honest his run wasnt even a top 5 he does the same run since 2019
Lots of strong opinions flying around that’s for sure!
Rampage is free ride. It has totally lost its way and either ends or is returned to what it should be.