guys i'm starting to get concerned about Ghazzy's wellbeing related to the sudden obsession on melee.. I can only see two more videos on the google drive that need to be uploaded on the channel, which are minion related, everything else is not minions. Is this some sort of midlife crisis or what am I dealing with here? What if he league starts with a melee build?? I dunno what to do
Melee absolutely deserves thses better defensive options because being ranged itself is a very good defensive layer to have, which melee obviously doesnt have.
thing is that not even how it works. with a decent investment, melee builds can easily win on single target and can even get close in clear. + youre insanely tanky with access to endurance charges. melee is superior in just about everything now tbh.
@@illusionlb vaal pact is unplayable on glad. Slayer is the only ascendancy who can afford to run it since they updated it to "cannot recover life outside of leech" because slayer can use melee attacks with projectiles to get both instant and lingering leech this way While glad would kill the lob, notice 1 stack of poison or ignite or dot ground and die because potions wont work
For anyone confused about the "lucky" math: (chance of event) + (chance of event NOT happening) = 100%. In this case, it's easiest to solve for the chance to NOT block, then take 1 minus that number to get the chance to block. So you take block chance, say 70%, the chance to NOT block is 30%. The chance to NOT block with 2 attempts due to "lucky" is 0.3 * 0.3 = 0.09 = 9%. If your chance to NOT block is 9%, your chance to block is 100% minus that, so 91%
by sheer curiosity I checked how "Dual wielding" block is instead of shield-based : You reach the same values with only 14 points, by dropping the testudo cluster and taking the FIRST node of the "Blade Barrier/Ambidexterity" Gladiators eating GOOD
Yeah. That is why i consider going versatile combatant rather than normal block spellblock ok glad. For 2 block wheel you go to 70/65 lucky block spellblock just from the tree no mod on gear. The investment is super low compared to normal block/spellblock letting you get more damage or defensive layers
I dont see a problem here... ranged builds, casters etc, they avoid majority of hits by killing stuff offscreen or having minions taking the hits... Melee has to go up close and personal taking every single hit in the face... To me the biggest problem as melee has been the fact that in general you just cant afford taking too many hits before you simply fall over (unless you use the stupid defiance of destiny)..
That not true tho. I have made plenty of tanky and strong melee builds even with the state melee has been in. Just look at Dual Strike of Ambidexterity builds and how they can shit on the entire game. Besides the awful playstyle with totems, the issue was much more about being very limited to only some ascendancies, some few melee skills that were worth playing and often a much higher investement compared to other archetypes to reach the same effectiveness. Also, if you truly think having 95% blockchance if no problem you truly don't care about the state of the game. This is the same kind of shitty mindset that brought us where we where all those years, just with different archetypes.
Damage conversion is being destroyed, but there will be more armor, life and block. This change is good for casual and average players. They can now achieve better defense while engaging with one less system.
@@oneoranota depends a LOT. in maps, ignoring your phys mitigation is one of the most common mods on both maps and mobs you will ever find, wich was why phys conversion for defence was so good...
@@gampie13 That’s the whole point though, maps should be hard. If you play a ranged, the game should incentivize you to get better at dodging instead of building up mitigation layers.
Took my sleepy brain a second to understand why and how... "Lucky" I did huh... Pretty much what I was thinking to start with, it's still a large investment for a new character as you have to unlock all the lab stuff but a second character will breeze through.. this is going to be some of the smoothest mapping I've had I feel... unless AN came back without a word. Even past block, now you add in fortify, endurance charge change, sand stance, new resistance nodes with a little conversion if you want... and you suddenly don't even take that much damage of what does go through.. don't forget suppression either...
I think the Determined Survivor node is bugged in POB. It says it doubles the inherit bonus of dual wielding. But if I DW, I go from 23% block to 93% block with Determined Survivor. So it's adding the 50% as if I'm holding a shield and then adding another another 20% from DW. It should be 43% instead of 93%. So you still need another 40% block to cap both attack and spell at 65%
I think about going Gladiator with Bleed Spectral Shield Throw - not really melee, but as you have not to care about block chance on your shield, because it is overridden by the ascendency node, you would be able to fully focus on getting your defenses on the shield as high as possible. Should be good as the Spectral Shield Throw skill, bleed and and defenses on shields are buffed in 3.25 (because quality is multiplicative now).
cool so right decision to try out gladiator in this upcoming league! i am kinda burned out to play summoner build again so right time to give melee a try.
Since Ghazzy mentioned Evasion, I'd like to remind everyone that Evasion is INCREDIBLE with Block. While Evasion works on an Entropy system as he mentioned, it also averages out to avoiding as many hits as your evade chance on PoB will tell you. So if you get a 75% chance to evade attacks of map monsters with normal accuracy, then that means you will be guaranteed to be hit 25% of the time due to the entropy system, but 75% will be evades. The only real difference to block is that with block you can technically RNG your way into never getting hit at all. But the big thing to remember here is that if you evade an attack, everything is good, and when the evade fails to defend you, what happens then? ..you roll for block chance. So if you evade 75% of attacks, you're taking only 25% of the hits. Now you have a 95% block chance against that 25%, which puts you at a 1.25% chance to get hit. This won't work on pinnacle bosses, which means you only really care about this interaction for map monsters. And the great thing is, you REALLY don't need much Evasion to make a massive impact against map monsters. Just a Jade flask and a Grace (3.24 one) with exactly 155dex for the 20/0 Grace requirement puts you at 55% chance to evade normal T16 monsters. It might be somewhat unnecessary with Gladiator's lucky block, but consider this for all block characters, especially Necro. At 55% chance to evade attacks at the normal 75% block cap, that means that instead of 25% of attacks you take 11.25% of attacks in maps.
I thought the caps are all 75%? No matter if you have 100% block, it's still hard capped at 75%? There a change I hadn't heard of? I've been gone about 3 years.
@@theelder4797 It is, but one of Gladiator's new nodes, More than Skill, makes your block chance lucky after you block an attack, rolling the chance twice and taking the best result. The 95% chance to block is from factoring in this reroll along with taking items or passives to increase your block cap for attacks to 78%.
The anti-synergy here is that your Blocks are only lucky if you've blocked in the past 4 seconds. With really high evasion values, you may go 4+ seconds without an attack coming through, unless you're just sitting in a pack of dozens of mobs
To my experience, the "random" block chance tends to have periods when you will not block at all and let all hits pass. This was always my biggest issue with going full block. You barely take any damage until you suddenly get hit by 30 hits at once because your block suddenly doesn't roll for every attack separately. And being a block build you are most likely not prepared for that. And knowing GGG they will increase spawn rate for mod "hits cannot be blocked" just to spite us.
there is a new shield that gives -10 max block and spell block in exchange for lucky block. It seems like a good option for inquisitor or witch, since they start near block and spell block nodes
Even if you go Duel Wield and get 40% Block immidiate and than go from 10% More Attack Speed to 20% More Attack Speed (9.09% More DPS) it's still easy to get Block cap with Versatile Combatant
You could also do the first version without Versatile Combatant and equip an impossible escape jewel that points to Runebinder and take all those spell block passives like that. Together with the items from the second version, tempest shield and the three nodes + block mastery bottom right you will also get to 78/78 block with just 22 passive points and those items.
I think its 93.75% not 95%. If you have .75 chance to block and you roll twice then there are 4 combinations of possibilities. First being two combinations of block and not block: 2 x (0.75*0.25) plus one combination of two blocks and two not blocks, the two not blocks would be a fail so we won't include that because we are trying to find the combination of success. So we would add the probability of two blocks on the rolls to the previous calculation: 2 x (0.75*0.25) + (0.75*0.75) = 0.9375 or 93.75%
I can finally make the pure avoidance build I wanted to do for awhile with block+spell dodge+evasion. It use to take so much investment, especially getting spell dodge in SSF, but now it's a lot more of an idea
Self damage can be blocked, so we don't need to rely on enemies to do the job, with other benefits like block recovery, retaliation skills, CWDT spell cast loop...etc.
The only concern, i think, there is for melee and to scale damage is the harder to come by higher attack speeds. Hars to say without actually playing. But man am i excited af.
The new shield they showed in the reveal gives lucky block without the need to have blocked decently With the -10 max block & spell block, gives any char permanent 87% block. Perfect for a guardian.
What is wild to me is that we almost got lucky block for attacks on gladiator back in Scourge but they changed their mind in between the defence manifesto and the patchnotes. And now they go and let us have lucky spell block too. lol
Gladiator will likely be my 3rd build. I plan on doing the Skeleton Archer poison build for bossing and also having a skeleton archer volley/phantasm setup for farming. Expecting minion gear to be cheaper this league, the fear is nobody even crafts any of it and I greatly dislike crafting!
Maybe I'm missing something but testudo seems like a bait compaired to going dual wielding and taking blade barrier, same capped+lucky block but you also get 20% more attack speed for basically the same investment. Sure you'll lose some survivability in the endgame, but for day 1 dualwielding seems straight up better for pushing through maps with this.
Glad can do basically the same wihile dual wielding with only a little extra points since the node before doubles your DW bonues AKA gives you 40% block. Then you just go into the DW wheel closeby and bobs your uncle. Its not even really that much of an additional investment cause when you are dual wielding you probably want that wheel anyway for damage.
I was trying to build a dual wielder and went for Determined Survivor - instantly my block chance skyrocketed so much that I'm thinking this is unintentional if not bugged, mainly because the "20% increased Attack Block" is supposed to be the "inherent" portion to be doubled, but it was doubling my entire block chance instead.
Click "Options" in the bottom left under the "Check for Updates" button and then toggle "Opt-in to weekly beta test builds" on. Just be aware that it's not all going to be up to date.
I am pretty noob when it come's to PoE, but i've always played ranged builds. I look forward to trying a melee build! Hopefully there will be some nice guides I can use.
95% block conditionally. So if you don’t block the first hit you may be almost on low life when the second hit comes. So it will feel spiky like evasion and you will get unlucky rips
Ngl i consider more going versatile combatant than 78 block on glad this league With just 2 wheels of 3 points of block and mastery you get to 70/65 lucky block/spellblock even with a white shield with no mods Considering the investment its crazy strong and you keep a lot of points for offense. Which you will need for damage because if you already use a shield gokng full lucky block max block without versatile might make you zdps
its pretty good but you still have to invest in it via points or currency. and tho you cant block degens or some groundeffects while with max resistances + flat % dmg reduction will help against pretty much all dmg out there. so yes up to you how you wanna build defensive layers but i think its nothing broken here that outshines everything else out there
"Dual Wielding now inherently grants +20% chance to Block Attack Damage and 10% more Attack Speed (previously +15%)." You might also just run this and only lose 10% if you dont use a shield, but you gain 20% attackspeed in trade off for the offensive side
This could be an experiment for the new counterattack skills in the league. I can foresee gladiators becoming overpowered and popular. After that, they will surely be nerfed.
I am not sure block mastery works in PoB how I would imagine it to work. Right now with Determined Survivour Glad node it gives +10% additional block chance, which I doubt it true. Ascendancy node overrides what goes into charachter sheet and make shield to contribute 50% block to it, but it does not override the value on the item itself, and reading the mastery I believe it picks up value from the item. We have to test it of course but I think it's inflated in PoB right now P.S. Also worth mentioning you need both ascendancy points you took since small nodes give 3% attack block
You have to block constantly for it to work, so almost unusable on some bosses and in some cases. It should'we just been "Your block chance is lucky" without any reqierments.
Whoa, just realized I've never completed the campaign with duelist. Guess I'm going gladiator next league, this seems silly enough for some good fun :)
and here i thought it meant 50% out OF the shields base block chance so it would be half since it was my belief that it would have favored dualwield more by giving shield wearing a downside
What we are glossing over here pretty heavily is that with lucky you can still miss the roll multiple times in a row. So you can still die. And it will happen. Taking an average doesn't matter when in reality you can still hit multiple bad rolls. The more you open up the sample size (aka time you play the build) the more it will happen. So you will feel super strong 99% of the time but sometimes you just POP. So don't go making this your only defense in ssf. Also, have others have mentioned, degens will be a nightmare.
I will personally skip Testudo and go Deflection , As the mountain and Agressive bastion since it scales bleed, pick both max block masteries and get 70% and 67% base block chance.
You dont need a calculator to see what your effective block will be just goto custom mods on a new charcter in PoB put in +#% chance to Suppress Spell Damage Where # = your block chance and Chance to Suppress Spell Damage is Lucky If you dont have and supress except the value you just added it will tell you your block chance as supression chance
What happened to the "stop nerfing the top, and bring the bottom up" mentality? Im glad they are making these changes, melee wont feel so shit (compared to ranged)
I am just a little sad they nuked challenger charges and forgot to add damage to the ascendancy. I don’t think the bleed buffs are enough to allow it to compete with poison or ignite.
Ghazzy, melee needs this. All it takes is a random DoT, and bye. Melee is up and personal with mobs and bosses as well. It needs these defenses. It's not ranged.
I made a build that is 80/80 block but requires level 86 and takes about 20 points to get the additional +15 spell block. I don't know if 20 points is worth 15 spell block versus going Versatile Combatant and saving the points.
Im 99% sure this is bugged !!!! right now you are double dipping "determined Survivor" you get 20% extra block from dual wieldung AND 50% block from your shield, im pretty sure that is just a wrong implementation in POB
It's definately good for mapping but don't get fooled into thinking this will work for ubers. Degens and unblockable mechanics hard counter half your ascendcy
Get the full max block and use that jewel that makes damage reserves life instead of taking damage lol, will totally get 2 sec in battle to recover lol.😅 + The crazy extra max life.
The node in PoB doesn't work correctly, it doesn't set your block to 50% it just adds 50% block to your current value so fix it in configs don't allocate bugged nodes. Also after investing in to all that block you still need endurance charges or suppress to not get 1 shot by spells you don't block. Fun and cool for mapping but still not reliable for bosses. I would just get 65/65 and be happy with that then invest to max res/endurance or suppress for reliable defence.
that's how the node works. It overwrites the block chance from your shield. So If you have a shield with, let's say, 25% block chance, those 25% are ignored and overwritten by 50%. To adding 50% to your block chance is correct.
Yea, the math is perfectly fine. Ranged characters have been running around evading shots by movement for years, getting all melee defenses making melee pointless. Melee NEEDS to be hit less becase they need to more or less facetank, except for big hit mechanics at bosses. I am playing EA totems right now, running around with 70%+ chance to evade with little to no investment. but you can just place totems and run around like a headless chicken meaning you evade 90% of shots just by moving, while still doing damage. add another 70% chance to evade even if you move in the wrong direction giving you... 97% chance to evade.... tada...
Maybe, glad has a node that has a chance to keep the skill usable after use. There is at least one other similar node in the tree. There is also a node that has a chance to make another retaliate skill usable when you use a retaliate skill. There is reduction for the skills in the tree. So I think it could work, but how far it will get you?
Melee need these defenses, might try actually a melee skill this league. I been rushing t16 with ranged, not even maxed resists and around 3k health. Just don't get hit is actually a really good defense and not a meme.
Can you complete this build guide? I want to make this but after taking the nodes you reccomend i dont know what to do after that. Im a new player and love the idea of max block but you stop the build after taking the nodes. I want to make this with shield crush. 🛡
Aren't you forgetting block recovery? If you are not stun immune there is a time in which you can't block again (sure to block animation). So if you get swarmed you will actually not block as much as you think.
95% + avoidance is nothing new. It was more than possible to get >99% avoidance before for a bit of investment on something like raider or assassin with evasion + elusive + block. Many ranger builds could just use the raider notable and grace watchers eye and pretty easily get 95% evasion.
hi ghazzy. Don't you think in order to "more than a skill" node to work, first we have to block sth? So we can't calculate as a default number increase
Even-though it seems broken, I didn't see any of the regular build makers working over this. I was planning to league start bleed-block and all I can find (just came out btw) is British Exile's SST Gladiator. Everyone has a secret urge to play and keeps for their selves for the sake of item prices? :)
How do you get block capped with NO INVESTEMNT? as i see it you need to invest a lot into blockchance to get block capped. even with those 22 points, i only count 88 block which would be 65 attack block and 23*2=46 spellblock. how do you get 65 65? even with the mastery that gives 1% spell block for each 5% block, that would only be 13% spellblock leaving you at 59%, not 65
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guys i'm starting to get concerned about Ghazzy's wellbeing related to the sudden obsession on melee.. I can only see two more videos on the google drive that need to be uploaded on the channel, which are minion related, everything else is not minions. Is this some sort of midlife crisis or what am I dealing with here? What if he league starts with a melee build?? I dunno what to do
It's joever, we lost him
Elden Ring most likely broke him as far as melee goes lol
not surprising considering minions have been literal dogshit for a long time now compared to other builds.
He's changing his name to GassyMeleeTV i've been told
he became minion himself gg, GGG did it.... :/
Melee absolutely deserves thses better defensive options because being ranged itself is a very good defensive layer to have, which melee obviously doesnt have.
except for the numerous ranged "melee" skills
Wandwr gladiators incoming 😅
It was true, before they invented proximity shielded mobs
yes, ranged defensive 6 portal is to much
Nothing is stopping a gladiator from casting spark or slinging wands.
This is what melee should be though, not as fast at clear but is super hard to go down and face tank bosses/rares
thing is that not even how it works. with a decent investment, melee builds can easily win on single target and can even get close in clear. + youre insanely tanky with access to endurance charges. melee is superior in just about everything now tbh.
@@duff137 took way more investment though which is why melee has needed a rework for years imo
@@duff137 bow > everything. ops.
we finally got old gladiator back
this is an underated comment, absolutely agreed with you
Gladiator: "95% block, I'm totally unkillable!"
*Random dot*
Gladiator: "Oh shi-"
vaal pact exists
@@henrikswanstrom9218 leech, regen, resists...
@@illusionlb vaal pact is unplayable on glad. Slayer is the only ascendancy who can afford to run it since they updated it to "cannot recover life outside of leech" because slayer can use melee attacks with projectiles to get both instant and lingering leech this way
While glad would kill the lob, notice 1 stack of poison or ignite or dot ground and die because potions wont work
@@illusionlbon glad? What
@@voidroad Good thing petrified blood enables overleech
For anyone confused about the "lucky" math: (chance of event) + (chance of event NOT happening) = 100%. In this case, it's easiest to solve for the chance to NOT block, then take 1 minus that number to get the chance to block.
So you take block chance, say 70%, the chance to NOT block is 30%. The chance to NOT block with 2 attempts due to "lucky" is 0.3 * 0.3 = 0.09 = 9%. If your chance to NOT block is 9%, your chance to block is 100% minus that, so 91%
by sheer curiosity I checked how "Dual wielding" block is instead of shield-based : You reach the same values with only 14 points, by dropping the testudo cluster and taking the FIRST node of the "Blade Barrier/Ambidexterity"
Gladiators eating GOOD
@@arykaas oh good to hear, I wanted to do a dual wield build but after seeing the video started to rethink it going shield+1h, back to dual wield
Be aware that as of July 22nd the PoB beta planner erroneously adds the 50% shield block even when dual wielding, skewing the numbers you are seeing.
@@theovernight1915 What are you on about? It hasn't even gone live yet, of course you're not seeing it in-game.
its about time its been more than like 6 leagues dead lol
Things I learned from gacha games: Everything under 100% is 50%. 😂
No.
@@Yeet42069 Yes.
Final fantasy tactics or fire emblem things, include Pokemon, 95% it's... 50% hahahaha
@@Yeet42069 it either goes off or it doesnt so 50% obviously
For POE there is spell suppress that work thaat way. You can have 99% spell supress but it felt like 50% fr.
there is a melee wheel next to blood magic that gives you +3 max block chance that you missed it seems
Wasnt it 10 or 12 at big node and 3 chance were the small nodes?
What does it called?
Lucky is crazy, I realized it when calculating it with spell suppression.
Used to be on the crit flask as in 'crits are lucky'
@@satanicrazgo616 yea i know, but i always just used it withou calculating.
For spell suppress i had to calculate whether I feel safe.
Same. It’s insane for spell suppression.
Yeah. That is why i consider going versatile combatant rather than normal block spellblock ok glad.
For 2 block wheel you go to 70/65 lucky block spellblock just from the tree no mod on gear. The investment is super low compared to normal block/spellblock letting you get more damage or defensive layers
@@voidroad and when you can invest more into it you can loose versatile and be even more op
I dont see a problem here... ranged builds, casters etc, they avoid majority of hits by killing stuff offscreen or having minions taking the hits... Melee has to go up close and personal taking every single hit in the face... To me the biggest problem as melee has been the fact that in general you just cant afford taking too many hits before you simply fall over (unless you use the stupid defiance of destiny)..
That not true tho. I have made plenty of tanky and strong melee builds even with the state melee has been in. Just look at Dual Strike of Ambidexterity builds and how they can shit on the entire game.
Besides the awful playstyle with totems, the issue was much more about being very limited to only some ascendancies, some few melee skills that were worth playing and often a much higher investement compared to other archetypes to reach the same effectiveness.
Also, if you truly think having 95% blockchance if no problem you truly don't care about the state of the game. This is the same kind of shitty mindset that brought us where we where all those years, just with different archetypes.
Who says this is only for melee builds?
Damage conversion is being destroyed, but there will be more armor, life and block.
This change is good for casual and average players. They can now achieve better defense while engaging with one less system.
@@oneoranota depends a LOT. in maps, ignoring your phys mitigation is one of the most common mods on both maps and mobs you will ever find, wich was why phys conversion for defence was so good...
@@gampie13 That’s the whole point though, maps should be hard. If you play a ranged, the game should incentivize you to get better at dodging instead of building up mitigation layers.
Took my sleepy brain a second to understand why and how... "Lucky" I did huh...
Pretty much what I was thinking to start with, it's still a large investment for a new character as you have to unlock all the lab stuff but a second character will breeze through.. this is going to be some of the smoothest mapping I've had I feel... unless AN came back without a word.
Even past block, now you add in fortify, endurance charge change, sand stance, new resistance nodes with a little conversion if you want... and you suddenly don't even take that much damage of what does go through.. don't forget suppression either...
With Penance Mark you can sustain lucky block anywhere.
I think the Determined Survivor node is bugged in POB. It says it doubles the inherit bonus of dual wielding. But if I DW, I go from 23% block to 93% block with Determined Survivor. So it's adding the 50% as if I'm holding a shield and then adding another another 20% from DW. It should be 43% instead of 93%. So you still need another 40% block to cap both attack and spell at 65%
There is something weird, yes.
@@HiddenStr3ngth yes it is just adding a random flat 50% block I don't think it was coded right.
I think about going Gladiator with Bleed Spectral Shield Throw - not really melee, but as you have not to care about block chance on your shield, because it is overridden by the ascendency node, you would be able to fully focus on getting your defenses on the shield as high as possible. Should be good as the Spectral Shield Throw skill, bleed and and defenses on shields are buffed in 3.25 (because quality is multiplicative now).
cool so right decision to try out gladiator in this upcoming league! i am kinda burned out to play summoner build again so right time to give melee a try.
Since Ghazzy mentioned Evasion, I'd like to remind everyone that Evasion is INCREDIBLE with Block. While Evasion works on an Entropy system as he mentioned, it also averages out to avoiding as many hits as your evade chance on PoB will tell you. So if you get a 75% chance to evade attacks of map monsters with normal accuracy, then that means you will be guaranteed to be hit 25% of the time due to the entropy system, but 75% will be evades. The only real difference to block is that with block you can technically RNG your way into never getting hit at all.
But the big thing to remember here is that if you evade an attack, everything is good, and when the evade fails to defend you, what happens then? ..you roll for block chance. So if you evade 75% of attacks, you're taking only 25% of the hits. Now you have a 95% block chance against that 25%, which puts you at a 1.25% chance to get hit. This won't work on pinnacle bosses, which means you only really care about this interaction for map monsters. And the great thing is, you REALLY don't need much Evasion to make a massive impact against map monsters. Just a Jade flask and a Grace (3.24 one) with exactly 155dex for the 20/0 Grace requirement puts you at 55% chance to evade normal T16 monsters.
It might be somewhat unnecessary with Gladiator's lucky block, but consider this for all block characters, especially Necro. At 55% chance to evade attacks at the normal 75% block cap, that means that instead of 25% of attacks you take 11.25% of attacks in maps.
I thought the caps are all 75%? No matter if you have 100% block, it's still hard capped at 75%? There a change I hadn't heard of? I've been gone about 3 years.
@@theelder4797 It is, but one of Gladiator's new nodes, More than Skill, makes your block chance lucky after you block an attack, rolling the chance twice and taking the best result. The 95% chance to block is from factoring in this reroll along with taking items or passives to increase your block cap for attacks to 78%.
@@Lawler50431 ok, ty
The anti-synergy here is that your Blocks are only lucky if you've blocked in the past 4 seconds. With really high evasion values, you may go 4+ seconds without an attack coming through, unless you're just sitting in a pack of dozens of mobs
To my experience, the "random" block chance tends to have periods when you will not block at all and let all hits pass. This was always my biggest issue with going full block. You barely take any damage until you suddenly get hit by 30 hits at once because your block suddenly doesn't roll for every attack separately. And being a block build you are most likely not prepared for that.
And knowing GGG they will increase spawn rate for mod "hits cannot be blocked" just to spite us.
Finally! It's melee time babyyyy our time to shine ❤
there is a new shield that gives -10 max block and spell block in exchange for lucky block. It seems like a good option for inquisitor or witch, since they start near block and spell block nodes
Which shield is it? Tell me 😊
@@lioneddy the shield is on the poe settlers of kalguur league reveal page
@@lioneddySvallinn, from the new league
Even if you go Duel Wield and get 40% Block immidiate and than go from 10% More Attack Speed to 20% More Attack Speed (9.09% More DPS) it's still easy to get Block cap with Versatile Combatant
You could also do the first version without Versatile Combatant and equip an impossible escape jewel that points to Runebinder and take all those spell block passives like that. Together with the items from the second version, tempest shield and the three nodes + block mastery bottom right you will also get to 78/78 block with just 22 passive points and those items.
Nice to see a content creator understand what lucky block means. Been surprised by the number of them that don't get this is bonkers strong.
I think its 93.75% not 95%. If you have .75 chance to block and you roll twice then there are 4 combinations of possibilities. First being two combinations of block and not block: 2 x (0.75*0.25) plus one combination of two blocks and two not blocks, the two not blocks would be a fail so we won't include that because we are trying to find the combination of success. So we would add the probability of two blocks on the rolls to the previous calculation: 2 x (0.75*0.25) + (0.75*0.75) = 0.9375 or 93.75%
he has 78% = 0.22*0.22 = 0.048 - 1 = 0.9516 or 95.16%
for 75% it is 0.25*0.25 = 0.625-1 = 0.9375 or 93.75%
@@dsid4evr ohhhh that's right! Thanks
The explanation of the calculation was worth you posting, even if you missed he had +3 to max. 😀
I can finally make the pure avoidance build I wanted to do for awhile with block+spell dodge+evasion.
It use to take so much investment, especially getting spell dodge in SSF, but now it's a lot more of an idea
Can I make it flicker now? Could you do something where you flicker through applying bleed, making enemies explode and have awesome survivability??
Can you make a flicker bleed character? - Yes. Will you still get dizzy from gameplay and throw-up in your computer chair? - Yes.
@@AaronX442 Worth
Self damage can be blocked, so we don't need to rely on enemies to do the job, with other benefits like block recovery, retaliation skills, CWDT spell cast loop...etc.
Wish we could block trauma damage 🫠
@@Eas_the_Planeswalker It would be the most op thing in poe lol
how do you generate self damage then
@@GocmenAbi Many ways actually. Eye of innocence, scold's bridle, ward loop...etc.
If the self-damage is secondary damage (ie. not from spells, attacks, or DoT) then it can not be blocked.
The only concern, i think, there is for melee and to scale damage is the harder to come by higher attack speeds. Hars to say without actually playing. But man am i excited af.
The new shield they showed in the reveal gives lucky block without the need to have blocked decently With the -10 max block & spell block, gives any char permanent 87% block. Perfect for a guardian.
I looked at this and couldn't believe how good it was. Glad to see that you think so too!
What is wild to me is that we almost got lucky block for attacks on gladiator back in Scourge but they changed their mind in between the defence manifesto and the patchnotes.
And now they go and let us have lucky spell block too. lol
Gladiator is the new Jugg for lower investment tankiness, probably better, since block chance is a base stat on shields not an affix.
Already planned on something like this, but I didn't realize how high the block chance could technically get.
Gladiator will likely be my 3rd build.
I plan on doing the Skeleton Archer poison build for bossing and also having a skeleton archer volley/phantasm setup for farming.
Expecting minion gear to be cheaper this league, the fear is nobody even crafts any of it and I greatly dislike crafting!
Maybe I'm missing something but testudo seems like a bait compaired to going dual wielding and taking blade barrier, same capped+lucky block but you also get 20% more attack speed for basically the same investment. Sure you'll lose some survivability in the endgame, but for day 1 dualwielding seems straight up better for pushing through maps with this.
Glad can do basically the same wihile dual wielding with only a little extra points since the node before doubles your DW bonues AKA gives you 40% block. Then you just go into the DW wheel closeby and bobs your uncle. Its not even really that much of an additional investment cause when you are dual wielding you probably want that wheel anyway for damage.
I was trying to build a dual wielder and went for Determined Survivor - instantly my block chance skyrocketed so much that I'm thinking this is unintentional if not bugged, mainly because the "20% increased Attack Block" is supposed to be the "inherent" portion to be doubled, but it was doubling my entire block chance instead.
I love this way of showcasing the interactions and power relative to points investment on the tree.
Maybe im stupid but how do you get access to the 3.25 tree in pob?
Click "Options" in the bottom left under the "Check for Updates" button and then toggle "Opt-in to weekly beta test builds" on. Just be aware that it's not all going to be up to date.
@@skulverDon't forget to also update afterwards
Enable beta updates.
OK I'm sold. I'm gonna make a glad.
Just gotta figure out regen/leech to fill in the gaps. The problem is getting enough damage to feel good after investing into defences.
I am pretty noob when it come's to PoE, but i've always played ranged builds. I look forward to trying a melee build! Hopefully there will be some nice guides I can use.
95% block conditionally. So if you don’t block the first hit you may be almost on low life when the second hit comes. So it will feel spiky like evasion and you will get unlucky rips
where is that POB update from? i have the community fork. when i use the check for updates buttton, it says its up to date. but i have 3.24
In POB in the options you can click a checkmark for beta releases
@@cenodoxus7349 THANK YOU !
@@cenodoxus7349 Thank you so much :)
Always been a big fan of block, digging it.
Ngl i consider more going versatile combatant than 78 block on glad this league
With just 2 wheels of 3 points of block and mastery you get to 70/65 lucky block/spellblock even with a white shield with no mods
Considering the investment its crazy strong and you keep a lot of points for offense. Which you will need for damage because if you already use a shield gokng full lucky block max block without versatile might make you zdps
its pretty good but you still have to invest in it via points or currency. and tho you cant block degens or some groundeffects while with max resistances + flat % dmg reduction will help against pretty much all dmg out there. so yes up to you how you wanna build defensive layers but i think its nothing broken here that outshines everything else out there
"Dual Wielding now inherently grants +20% chance to Block Attack Damage and 10% more Attack Speed (previously +15%)."
You might also just run this and only lose 10% if you dont use a shield, but you gain 20% attackspeed in trade off for the offensive side
This could be an experiment for the new counterattack skills in the league. I can foresee gladiators becoming overpowered and popular. After that, they will surely be nerfed.
I am not sure block mastery works in PoB how I would imagine it to work. Right now with Determined Survivour Glad node it gives +10% additional block chance, which I doubt it true. Ascendancy node overrides what goes into charachter sheet and make shield to contribute 50% block to it, but it does not override the value on the item itself, and reading the mastery I believe it picks up value from the item. We have to test it of course but I think it's inflated in PoB right now
P.S. Also worth mentioning you need both ascendancy points you took since small nodes give 3% attack block
Given the bleed masteries giving you Aggravated bleedings id say you could potentially deal more damage by going War of Attrition (for bossing)
I’m on the fence because you can get free aggregate with exerted attacks, just warcry. But consistency is good for mindless gameplay.
You are just making me salivate before the launch of the league!!!!
You have to block constantly for it to work, so almost unusable on some bosses and in some cases. It should'we just been "Your block chance is lucky" without any reqierments.
Whoa, just realized I've never completed the campaign with duelist. Guess I'm going gladiator next league, this seems silly enough for some good fun :)
and here i thought it meant 50% out OF the shields base block chance so it would be half since it was my belief that it would have favored dualwield more by giving shield wearing a downside
What we are glossing over here pretty heavily is that with lucky you can still miss the roll multiple times in a row. So you can still die. And it will happen. Taking an average doesn't matter when in reality you can still hit multiple bad rolls. The more you open up the sample size (aka time you play the build) the more it will happen. So you will feel super strong 99% of the time but sometimes you just POP. So don't go making this your only defense in ssf. Also, have others have mentioned, degens will be a nightmare.
Bro which PoB are you using, I have the same version but it doesn't have the 3.25 updates...
Click options at the bottom left, check opt into beta builds. Then check for update.
@@DeedlyDood thank you kind sir
I will personally skip Testudo and go Deflection , As the mountain and Agressive bastion since it scales bleed, pick both max block masteries and get 70% and 67% base block chance.
You dont need a calculator to see what your effective block will be just goto custom mods on a new charcter in PoB put in +#% chance to Suppress Spell Damage
Where # = your block chance and
Chance to Suppress Spell Damage is Lucky
If you dont have and supress except the value you just added it will tell you your block chance as supression chance
What happened to the "stop nerfing the top, and bring the bottom up" mentality? Im glad they are making these changes, melee wont feel so shit (compared to ranged)
I am just a little sad they nuked challenger charges and forgot to add damage to the ascendancy. I don’t think the bleed buffs are enough to allow it to compete with poison or ignite.
Ghazzy, melee needs this. All it takes is a random DoT, and bye. Melee is up and personal with mobs and bosses as well. It needs these defenses. It's not ranged.
Svallin (new Unique) gives 100% lucky uptime for cost of -10 max chance
i think they will fix blocking after this. probably put a cool down on how often you can block.
I made a build that is 80/80 block but requires level 86 and takes about 20 points to get the additional +15 spell block. I don't know if 20 points is worth 15 spell block versus going Versatile Combatant and saving the points.
Bleed SST Glad... the more we theorycraft, the more I love it^^
Im 99% sure this is bugged !!!!
right now you are double dipping "determined Survivor" you get 20% extra block from dual wieldung AND 50% block from your shield, im pretty sure that is just a wrong implementation in POB
only if you dual wield. It will show the correct 50% block if you have a shield
Pick two nodes from tree and you get 20% easily
@@DoktorNutella Nope. Shield is always 50% so shield doesn't matter
Its only bugged for dual wielding or no shield equipped. it gives the correct base block if you only select the passive with any shield.
Gladiator is so cool now defense wise. But not a lot of dmg scaling on the ascendancy.
you just go bleed so is still mid
how do people already have the 3.25 path of building?
Click options at the bottom left, check opt into beta builds. Then check for update.
@@DeedlyDood Tyvm, also had this question. Very nice info.
It's definately good for mapping but don't get fooled into thinking this will work for ubers. Degens and unblockable mechanics hard counter half your ascendcy
Get the full max block and use that jewel that makes damage reserves life instead of taking damage lol, will totally get 2 sec in battle to recover lol.😅 + The crazy extra max life.
PSA: don't forget the stat "stun and block recovery" so that you get to play the game instead of constant block animation. :)
stun immunity
I imagine determine survivor might lock out other block modifiers keeping it always 50%
The node in PoB doesn't work correctly, it doesn't set your block to 50% it just adds 50% block to your current value so fix it in configs don't allocate bugged nodes. Also after investing in to all that block you still need endurance charges or suppress to not get 1 shot by spells you don't block. Fun and cool for mapping but still not reliable for bosses. I would just get 65/65 and be happy with that then invest to max res/endurance or suppress for reliable defence.
that's how the node works. It overwrites the block chance from your shield. So If you have a shield with, let's say, 25% block chance, those 25% are ignored and overwritten by 50%. To adding 50% to your block chance is correct.
but what is block cap? can u actually get 95%? or is it effective block?
Yea, the math is perfectly fine. Ranged characters have been running around evading shots by movement for years, getting all melee defenses making melee pointless. Melee NEEDS to be hit less becase they need to more or less facetank, except for big hit mechanics at bosses. I am playing EA totems right now, running around with 70%+ chance to evade with little to no investment. but you can just place totems and run around like a headless chicken meaning you evade 90% of shots just by moving, while still doing damage. add another 70% chance to evade even if you move in the wrong direction giving you... 97% chance to evade.... tada...
Gotta roll in mobs on this build with word:
"Can i clean here?"
They should make it like heart stopper. chance to block is lucky for 4 seconds every 8 seconds or w.e. the wording is.
With daressos courage you block one hit then have 100% spell block without investing into any spell block.
Having this much block chance with only minimal investment should give us enough room for dot mitigation and damage
would this be viable on a spin2win cyclone homemade build? or would you recommend a different specialization?
So, U go 96% block and the new Ward gear...so U never die with super low investment and go full dps with the rest
Fun how they ballance it to make things like glancing blows do nothing in the game. Add 50% eva on top to never get hit
how do new retaliate skills work, are they worth building around?
I'm interested with this well. I'll definitely try even if it's a bad build 😂😂😂
It'll be hard to activate them enough and they have high cooldowns. Good supplemental skills
Maybe, glad has a node that has a chance to keep the skill usable after use. There is at least one other similar node in the tree. There is also a node that has a chance to make another retaliate skill usable when you use a retaliate skill. There is reduction for the skills in the tree.
So I think it could work, but how far it will get you?
@@noobtastic-really how far doesn't matter much to me, the fun part for me is the experimentation. 😆
I think they are cool with it because youd have to take a shield on glad right? I think people usually play dual wield
Melee need these defenses, might try actually a melee skill this league. I been rushing t16 with ranged, not even maxed resists and around 3k health. Just don't get hit is actually a really good defense and not a meme.
Can you complete this build guide? I want to make this but after taking the nodes you reccomend i dont know what to do after that. Im a new player and love the idea of max block but you stop the build after taking the nodes. I want to make this with shield crush. 🛡
Does this mean we HAVE to use a shield to benefit from this? Or can we still dual wield?
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joooo moxsy! :3 i enjoyed your tfd content, will you play and do some poe content this league too?
Aren't you forgetting block recovery? If you are not stun immune there is a time in which you can't block again (sure to block animation). So if you get swarmed you will actually not block as much as you think.
stun immunity is your friend
pantheon will solve the problem
95% + avoidance is nothing new. It was more than possible to get >99% avoidance before for a bit of investment on something like raider or assassin with evasion + elusive + block. Many ranger builds could just use the raider notable and grace watchers eye and pretty easily get 95% evasion.
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hi ghazzy. Don't you think in order to "more than a skill" node to work, first we have to block sth? So we can't calculate as a default number increase
Even-though it seems broken, I didn't see any of the regular build makers working over this. I was planning to league start bleed-block and all I can find (just came out btw) is British Exile's SST Gladiator. Everyone has a secret urge to play and keeps for their selves for the sake of item prices? :)
Lighty just came out with Perf Gladiator. Search again. Bleed-block Glads will be coming a-plenty in the next few days.
@@corpsehound Yep you are right, starting from yesterday, my You Tube is full of Glads right now. I hate meta builds, so it is ruined for me.
You cannot get above 90% block chance, from 3.24 onwards. You know that, right ?
How do you get block capped with NO INVESTEMNT? as i see it you need to invest a lot into blockchance to get block capped.
even with those 22 points, i only count 88 block which would be 65 attack block and 23*2=46 spellblock. how do you get 65 65? even with the mastery that gives 1% spell block for each 5% block, that would only be 13% spellblock leaving you at 59%, not 65
what about block recovery? i thought once you blocked, you will be hit after that :O
Block could "stun", so it reduces that time. You are still able to block.
Ghazzy will make a minion/melee starter this league XD
Wait, doesn't block have a internal cooldown.....
I'm waiting for so long to get a good block character. One of my first characters ever was a blocking char with cwdt and tempest shield.
I think retaliation skills on block would be good in that setup
You need to invest in block recovery more to achieve that block - immortality :)