Madoka Magica Rebellion - Homura 1st Take Comparison
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- On the left is the recording they eventually used.
On the right is the so called "Homura 1st Take" from the Blu-ray extras.
Only the audio differs. The video is just for visual aid.
I think that the first take is honestly the scariest one.
Because that's not just Homura speaking, you can outright hear the Moemura in her voice as well. D:
oh god now its 40% more terrifying thinking about it like that
PH MY GOD UR RIGHT
Whi is moemura
@@taetm8868 Moemura is the two braided, glasses wearing version of Homura. She's much more innocent and cute, or "moe" which is often referenced as a genre of cute anime girls, hence the term Moemura, a cute and innocent version of Homura before she became cold and distance.
Dear Lord :o
Voices really makes the difference. Didn't know that seiyuu is working this hard. The final recording Homura sounds intelligent and thoughtful of her action, and also retains her cold self like we see her in the beginning of the anime.
The 1st take Homura sounds insane / yandere. She sounds more confident, but I don't like that she sounds like she's belittling others. It also sounds that she is not thoughtful and no way can reach her anymore. I'm really glad that it's the final recording that was chosen.
But now I watched it all, I think the 1st take fits the visual more.. I like it for some scenes but I also like the final recording for the other..
And listening again after 6 years (wow 6 years already??), final take homura sounds so sad and lonely. 1st take yandere homura sounds much happier. but that'll make her a more evil antagonist, while final take homura sounds more ambiguous. I read in the other comments that they wanted to make sequel so that's why they chose the ambiguous homura.
but really, is the new world homura made that bad? isn't it much better than what madoka had accomplished? like, nobody need to be unappreciated magical soldier anymore, and the kyubeys clean up their own messes.
the bad thing is, madoka seems to not finding a way to live her current life to the fullest unless she's madokami - is she that useless without her power?
why dont they just live happily in the new world? madokami is not needed anymore because no more witch/wrath and even if there's any, it's kyubey's job now. isnt it?
@@second_second_
"Well, I admit my crib is pretty sweet. But a gold cage is still a cage, Harry."
- Bob, The Dresden Files
1) No one asked for this world, Homura did it on her own volition without anyone's saying on the matter.
2) Despite Madokami been "split into two", The Law of Cycles is still there. So are the Wraiths and the Incubators. Homura just put the whole system at a pause.
3) If someone presenting themselves as "Evil" actively is re-writing your memories "it's for your own good because you have no chance against me", is not something I'd call "good".
4) If you pay attention to Homura's familiars, which are projections of magical girls' emotions, you can tell Homura hates herself the entire time to the point she still wants to die. That's not a better outcome for Homura herself.
Homura changed nothing, she basically kickstarted a tug-o-war with Madoka with both still being bound by a system they still depend on in order to try and change things for the "better". If they cannot find common ground and do something against the system itself without the universe imploding, salvation for both and everyone else is impossible.
@@MaxusFox23
Well
Now homura has control over the incubators
And what i guesd is that Homura is pumping all the despair 'Madoka' would feel into the incubators.
And no she didnt put a pause she just created a bigger snow globe.
She wanted Madoka to experienced a complete normal life.
Yet at the same time she wanted Madoka to wake up and come and comfort her...
In a way the other characters got a good ending while Homura got a tragic ending which fits with the OP scene where the rest were dancing while Homura kneels with clours bleached.
i just realized that homura was humming "mada dame yo" song in the epilogue...., but she didn't want to hum the "now, good morning nightmare," because she wished that the dream world never ends.
If you go through the soundtrack you'll notice that "mada dame yo"is a consistent leitmotif. That is, a good number of the pieces are sort of variations on it, with different degrees of similarity. Flame of Despair being one that is further away and nothing special being quite similar.
@@Shtoops - This. The particular leitmotif is just the melody of the line "mada dame yo", which means "no, not yet". It plays only in particular moments where Homura is questioning what's going on, as if to speak directly to her and tell her not to open pandora's box just yet.
The meaning changes in this final scene, where it seems to represent Homura saying "No, you mustn't yet" to Madoka, who is presumably constantly trying to reconnect to her Ultimate self. In the first take, Homura humming it herself drives that home without any subtlety left over. Lol
Dame da ne dame yo dame nano yo
Anta ga suki de suki sugite
Am I the only one who thinks the 1st take shes sound far more crazy and yandere, with the film version more subdue but also smug?
nope, i feel some of the scenes didnt fit homura's personality at all, like when she laughed when talking to sayaka, it was as if she went insane and became unstable
I think so
I was just going to say the same thing.
Gol D Ace Well.. Isn't that the main thing? She indeed went a little "insane" and "unstable".. I'm really sad for her now.. =(
Jasmine Teo it is, but i'm pretty sure that it isnt like her in the first version, well she did fulfill her mission, that is to stop Madoka from becoming a magical girl. I think there will be a final fourth movie since she said to Madoka that they might end up fighting and Homura finally becomes happy
「もう二度とアナタを離さない」
このセリフの違いが凄い
finalはまどかを守るという庇護欲が強く出てる。
対してfirstはまどかを離したくないという執着心が強い。
つまりfinalは初心に返った結果であるのに対し、firstはまどかを守る事から気持ちがねじ曲がってしまったほむら。
アニメが大体10周くらい説があるけど、それを踏まえるならfirstはアニメ時点で50周くらいしてそう
In the first take she has so much feelings in her words showing that she is emotionally unstable.
In the final recording her voice is calm and more emotionless indicating that she is lieing both to the others and herself. She keeps up the villain act with the "this is my perfect world where I am perfectly happy" but her look is just empty. She is not happy and only hoping in she can make Madoka happy like this.
And that is why Homura Did nothing wrong.
She did things wrong.
Naru in the manga, homura looks a lot more insane. Her expressions are close to insanity and obsession, although animated vers keeps a calmer vers on Homura.
Hanna the concept movie trailer was an april fools by shaft
Naru Also, Homura is extremely selfless. The only point where I see Homura being truly selfish would be the ending. When it comes to Madoka, she doesnt care, she will do anything for Madokas HAPPINESS. Before she was following out past Madokas promise but now it seems like shes forcing Madoka into this life, partially influenced by Madokas promise. As you said, it seems like she does indeed think shes happy... You start to wonder... is she happy or not? Deceit or truth? is insanity getting in the way of her judgement? Can we also talk about the epilogue scene. How has no one talked about the part where MADOKAS HALF IS GONE. In the op, madoka and homura were clinging onto eachother while sitting on chairs but in the epilogue, its no longer a natural day light, its in the moonlight whilst homura is leaning on an invisible wall. Madokas side is gone. Also, her "new and improved soul gem" is made out of the past madoka, the one that ceased to exist. As she said, homura only took the part of the law of cycles, the part who is the madoka which ceased to exist. She dances with which is made by such with a loving smile and falls into Madokas EMPTY side AND IN PLUS in the ending is the door which appeared in several scenes for Madoka and Homura, ill be taking the one in rebellion, when homura was being saved by Madoka, madoka entered this gate while Homura is inside, afterwards they do this superpower fusion bow magicks attack and you know what happens afterwards, in the ending of the epilogue, the door is sealed by a pink thread. The exact same color of the pink thread that was represented as the piece taken away by homura from the law of cycles.... Its just so peculiar and im a huge mado x homu so pfft.
I actually prefer the final take. While the original did have a lot more emotion, that doesn't necessarily mean it's better (although it was great). The final did the best job of expressing the Homura in Rebellion, who tries so hard to reign in her emotions. Also, it makes the story more open ended, where her sanity is much more ambiguous. The only think I preferred more in the original version was her "ai yo".
@simmertoddler1632ㅡㅡㅡ는 난 그냥
I think tbe second sounds more sinciere and emotional
Isn't it strange? In the very first timeline, Madoka was bubbly and outgoing, a perfect antithesis to Homura's initial shyness. As the timeline loops and loops, Madoka becomes more and more withdrawn. When Homura reforms the universe, she becomes even worse. By this time in the series, she can hardly form a sentence for stutters, "um's" and second thoughts.
She is so in love with her she created a world where she could give back the love that s given to her.
wow that's true. i remember when first time watched the anime, i thought this protag is really useless and it became a bit annoying like why is she the protag? Then very surprised when saw madoka very confident and normal in her first timelines.
From here, we can see how having or not having opportunities shape a person. Perhaps, people that we see as unconfident or stutter or shy etc, they just didn't get the opportunity to shine yet.
I could be wrong since I’m not 100% sure on the dates of each timeline, but I believe in the first timeline, Madoka was already a magical girl by the time Homura enrolled in school, which would explain why she was much more confident. In later timelines Homura either enrolled earlier, before Madoka got contracted, or stopped her from contracting altogether, hence why she’s less confident later on.
@@alexkim102 I've thought that as well. I believe Madoka even in the first timeline was shy and timid until she became a magical girl. You can even see the same confidence of becoming a magical girl in episode 12.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT WHEN I SAW THE FIRST TIMELINE.
左のほうが好きだけど、多分映画館で初めて右を見たらすごすぎて鳥肌立つ
左はほむらって感じで
右の方が悪魔って感じがする
同じ人だとは思えないくらいの違いがあるな…
wow, i am totally surprise. just a minor change of the speaking tone can make such big difference. seiyu actress are truly amazing.
I like both, but very prefer the final version. It fits much better with the person she's become over the years of time loops. Except the final scene. The humming was much better.
agree. feel like the dance scene itself fits the yandere (1st take) homura, and seems a bit weird with the sad and lonely (final take) homura. but beautiful anyways
Left side: How we heard Homura.
Right side: How Homura's detractors really heard Homura.
個人的に右の方が最終的にほむらちゃんが壊れちゃった感あって大好きだった
First take makes Homura sound like a yandere.
So sick!
Which is exactly why they didn't use it.
I think it makes her sound like a witch. Maybe not even a witch. A demon. I am conflicted.
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I thought she was supposed to be a Yandere. I mean, she did a lot of stuff just to be with Madoka, so a Yandere for sure.
I like the final version better, except for that small part at 9:12 where she says "Madoka could end up hating you". I love that certain drop in her voice, it sounds so frightening.
The epilogues both are epic in their own right.
So she was talking about Madoka when she said "ano ko ni made kirawareru wa yo"?
Also it was this moment I realized there was no subs 😂😅
Truee
yeah holy shit
Extreme yandere
ファイナルの方は今までのほむらの延長線って感じがするけど、
ファーストテイクはブッ壊れちまってる感じがするな。
Finalほぼストーカー犯罪者、1st完璧なストーカー犯罪者
新房監督もここまではやりずぎってことで撮り直したんでしょう。
左は劇場公開版でリテイク後のもの
右は最初の録音のもので円盤の特典で聞ける
絵コンテに近いのは右らしい
英語もなにも全く分からなかったのでありがたい🙏🙏🙏
Chiwa Saitou is such a good voice actress, and her works in Madoka and Bakemonogatari highlight it perfectly… Her part as Homura might have been the hardest part she's ever played, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the case.
I like how her Homura voice and Senjougahara voice is differenciatable? (if that's a word) coz I went to the game wiki and tried to listen to Senjougahara and Homura voice
I think the final take was chosen because her mannerism and tone felt more like that of Senjougahara, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was genuinely one of the given reasons (yes I know the main one as to why, but still).
@@Ryuseishun What was the main reason?
@@StoutShako She felt it made Homura sound far too villainous.
精神がぶっ壊れてる感が凄いw
Finalは「ほむら」が強く、Firstは「悪魔」が強い
右はぶっ飛んだ感あって好き
だけど左もほむららしさがあっていい
右の方のほむらちゃん･･･ねっとりというか･･･感情込めすぎというか･･･。重いな🤔💭
声優さんすごーい(-´∀`-)
右はほむらが欲望に酔ってる(?)感じがする
けど左はちゃんときゅうべえに支配されないようにまどかを引きずったっていう理由がちゃんとみえるというか、
自分のためでもあるけど、まどかのため感じが左は出てて
ほむらちゃんぽくて好きだなと思った
9:15 I wish this was at least one thing they should’ve kept in. That voice drop is flipping amazing damn
外国人ニキ 右の方がヤンデレ感あるぅって言ってるけど そのまんまyandereって書いてて ヤンデレは世界共通なんやなって
やっぱほむらちゃんはどこか淡々としてた方がそれっぽいんだな。あんま感情入って無さそうな左側の方が、見てる側としては馴染みがあるわ
Damn, that 1st take screams yandere.
That's exactly what I thought.
chira00chira Homura is a yandere >0
Solène InSaNiTy i think why they made homura's voice calmer is because she's not obsessed to have madoka all by herself, but obsessed to protect her, even if she said it's "love". .-.
Anna Mochi Oh maybe ^^"
@@violetsnowfield I think she does want her to herself tho. It's just the way she went about it that makes it impossible.
The left one defiantly sounds more like Homura, thoughtful, monotone almost. The Rights sounds more unleashed, gone and crazy almost. There are definitely points where it would have fit but The left one is definitely more true to the character because yes while Homura is changed she is still herself she has not lost her way or ultimate goal and I think that's portrayed perfectly.
1st Takeの方が上映されたら良くも悪くもFinal Take以上に物議を醸したろうな
*THE REASON HOMURA'S LINES IN THE SECOND HALF WERE RE-RECORDED*
*_Interview to Yota Tsuruoka (Sound Director of Rebellion)_*
*I think it's significant that two different performances from Homura in the second half of the movie were included as a bonus feature for the Blu-ray edition. Can you tell us how you ended up recording those two takes?*
TSURUOKA: It's an interesting idea, having two takes in the Blu-ray, isn't it? The first version as the one we included as a bonus, and we stopped recording for a while after that. But as production went on, the producers and the director got to thinking, and they decided that we weren't going to try to "take a full swing with it," give 100%, for the movie version.
*In other words, conversely speaking, Ms. Saito gave a full, 100% effort in her performance in the first take, which could have been the finished product.*
TSURUOKA: Needless to say, Ms. Saito's acting was perfect. But precisely because of that - the way I saw it personally - if Homura's part reached the levels of a finished product, it would become too declarative, or maybe I should say that we wouldn't be able to give her lines any hidden meaning. If we had her unleash the decisive hit there, the game would be over. Even though it's known as the "new chapter," it would seem more like a "final chapter," rather than a starting-off point.
*So you felt it was better to load her dialogue with implications, leaving it more open to interpretation by the fans.*
TSURUOKA: That's why we ended up re-recording it, but since she'd done such a splendid job with that first take, none of felt right about sealing it away. That's probably why they decided to hold onto it for the Blu-ray edition. As for the fans, I think if they've already watched the feature once, they'll be able to get right into hearing the first version of the dialogue. By comparing the two takes, I think that they'll be able to perceive what Ms. Saito's intent was when she voiced that first take, and I'm sure they'll also realize just how wonderful it was.
*But by not taking a full swing, weren't you worried about ending up with an ambiguous ending, for example?*
TSURUOKA: No, I wasn't worried about that. The reason for that was, in terms of the story, it does reach a major conclusion in the first half. And then the second half serves as an epic "question" thrown into the viewers' faces. Instead of feeling satisfied after watching the first half, if the viewers started pondering over all sorts of things, and felt little lost and confused after watching the whole movie, then it would be exactly as we intended.
*Specifically, what kind of direction did you take for the second take, which was the version you decided to go for?*
TSURUOKA: Basically, the movie's purpose was to investigate Homura's psychological state, and as more of the story progresses, the more it escalates, until it's honed to a fine point. What I wanted to do was to revert a little to her psychological state near the beginning. The world might see her as evil, but I wanted it to be clear that she was just doing her best. That was what I focused on the most.
*It's not as if Homura's soul turned evil when she became a demon; rather, she's just acting on emotions that she already had. Is that what you're saying?*
TSURUOKA: That's what we wanted the performance to convey in a clear way. Mr. Urobuchi wrote the scenario, so, just like his other work, it turned out to be extremely logical - if you keep honing the performance, this is the conclusion you'll arrive at. I just wanted to tone it down a little.
Extract from: wiki.puella-magi.net/Rebellion_Material_Book#Yota_Tsuruoka_.28Sound_Director.29
So what you're saying is. This whole movie is Homura having a mental breakdown? Damn.
1stはすごく幸せそうで、なんか…ほっこりする。
良かったね、ほむらちゃん。
1st take is surely badass, but I'm happy that they put 2nd take in the movie. In 1st take she doesn't sound like Homura and it doesn't fit her personality. Besides this I would be happy if this version 9:16 would be in 2nd take :D I'm not sure what to think about epilogue, I love both versions so much :)
You translated my thoughts jejeje
You're right!
I think they should've kept the first take on the last scene we saw in this video. The lack of music and Homura humming make it creepier.
And I agree, it wouldn't be like Homura if they kept the first take on everything, the emotional-ness of it just doesn't fit her personality.
Aurelia then again it would make sense considering devil homura is a whole other version of homura. I mean, did moemura sound anything like the homura in the main timeline?
I totally agree "In 1st take she doesn't sound like Homura and it doesn't fit her personality". You know Homura very well.
Sound director Yota Tsuruoka and Chiwa Saito had the exact same sentiments, which is why they didn't use the first take.
The first take was only to be used if Homura had truly become yandere and beyond salvation, but she shows deep remorse and regret toward what she did at the very end of the film so that is not the case.
It's almost like she's mocking everyone after she recreates the universe. Up until then, she sounded like it almost hurt her to bring Madokami down - and subsequently suppress her.
I guess I can see why they went with the final recording.
That and Tsuruoka (the sound director) knew that this movie wasn't going to be the definitive end, and he noted that Chiwa Saito's acting was too 'perfect' and 'complete'. Homura in the 1st take isn't remorseful of her actions and sounds like she's completely lost it. They loved the recording and would've used it if it was actually the end...but as Saito said, Rebellion is only 'a New Chapter/Final Beginning' to PMMM, not 'the Final Chapter/Ending'.
I honestly just love how subtle that is, evoking the character's feelings and motivations through how they choose to make her speak which also determines where the franchise is gonna go from this point.
@@TruthinessChibiOtaku and yet it's 2019 and no sequel in sight (ik there's a spinoff but still)
@@siriuslydont yeah :"(
@@siriuslydont sadly but at least it is something for us fans to have until real appetizer comes ( i really do hope so tho)
@@siriuslydont Pretty sure the trailer for the new movie came out recently
14:38 Homura humming Made Dame Yo. That's... wow. Creepy? Sad? Actually kind of pretty on the first listen or two, without the context.
Reminds me how Mami hummed her own theme once in the anime.
@@Val17282 Iirc when Kyubey telepathically contacts Madoka in the first ep she's listening to Connect in the music store.
ファーストのほうがすきだわー
でもファイナルじゃないとほむらちゃんっぽくない
Homura 1st take scenes:
0:24
1:19
1:35
2:00
2:24
3:11
3:42
4:33
5:06
5:26
5:58
6:22
6:39
6:59
7:40
8:42
今まで何度やっても変えられない未来を変えられた、欲しくてどうしようもなかったものが手に入った人の演技という点を考慮して、むしろ左のほうが違和感かんじるぐらい
今まで普通に暮らしてた女の子が出す声として不自然だから撮り直したらしいですよ
1stのほうが感情の表現が強いですね
公開版はまどかへの執着が一周まわって感情が表にあまり出なくなって少し淡々としてるけど、自分の望みを叶えた歓喜が垣間見える感じで、恐いはずなのに何故か恐怖は感じない。
リテイク前は、ひたすらに執着と望みを叶えた歓喜がビシビシ伝わってくるし、同時に恐怖も直に伝わってくる。(他アニメのキャラで例えるのもアレですがローゼンメイデンのアニメ銀様に近い)
結論:どっちも好き
嘲笑ってる感じが悪魔感あっていいですよね。
リテイクの方は銀様意識してんのかな かな❔
個人的に1stの方が好き。あのおぞましさこそが『悪魔』ほむらに相応しいと思う。※あくまで個人の意見
I prefer the ambiguity of the final take. Homura sounds entirely too pleased with herself in the first take, a little too much giggly instability in what she's done.
I like the final take's understated satisfaction, and also the element of quiet resignation that what she did isn't going to last. There's so many more layers to what she did in the end that the first take just didn't convey.
Homura can't let herself be truly happy in her new world, or be truly proud of herself for what she's done, because she knows it came at the cost of Madoka's freedom. Whatever happiness she gives Madoka isn't true happiness, and I think the final take shows that she knows that, much better than the crazypants first take did.
Plus, I didn't like that humming. The accordion sounded much better, more ambiguous than outright creepy. It also makes the reveal of what she did to Kyubey more impactful.
I can see why they redid the lines, the first take may be more emotional but the second almost gets the point and feelings across in its delivery, if that makes sense? Plus the second attempt kust sounds more like homura in my opinion. I do like the humming, though.
The 1st take sound too crazy, but the final recording is too calm, Homura's personality does change after she made up the mind of become devil, and that is all emotional based, so it does make sense that she sound more emotional. And I like the humming from the 1st take, it makes Homura looks more sad and lonely
14:40 If anyone was curious
１ｓｔのヤンデレ臭が半端ない
I think it could've been really good if they made a mix of the first and final take. The first take for the parts where she's talks deeply about Madoka or directly to Madoka and any other moment the final take with her more calm and composed voice. Letting her true self/voice shine through when she's with or thinking about Madoka, but also her calm voice to show that she hasn't completely lost herself to her emotions and that she's still able to think about some of her actions.
I still love the final product though =^^=
The first take sounds like she's going insane and doing it out of obsession with Madoka, the final version she sounds more calculated and doing it out of Madoka's protection
1stテイクの方はエンディング部分がBGMの代わりにほむらの鼻歌になってる…良き…
BGMが無いから足音とかよく聞こえるんや…でもほむらちゃんって感じがするのはfinalかな…
鼻歌、不気味ですき
the first take sounded a lot less collected and emotional, like homura's gone waay off the deep end. i like both versions but i think the unused one makes it much creepier
im just SOOO glad they didn't went with the 1st take. It just sounds so much like homura being a crazy obsessed yandere -_- It would totally ruin the message.
In the final take, she sounds much more calm and like she means it, and knows what she's doing.
She sounds like your waifu Senjoughara though. XD
yes i'm glad too, but i still think that they show her a little bit out of character in those scenes even in the final recording
Arghun94 well sure... but its tolerable. Certainly not even comparable to this.
Janez Krnc ooh yeah totally agreed
Janez Krnc the HUMMING...I'm gonna have nightmares.
右側のもBlu-rayに収録されたという太っ腹っぷりに感謝しかない
右の方が個人的には好き！今までずっとずっとずーーっとまどかのことだけを考えて生きてきたっていう想いや感情が爆発してる感じで、良い意味で生々しい。
感情の入り具合が半端ない。逆に大根っぽいけど怖さは断然こっち。こっちの方が好きかも。てかさやかへの煽りがやばいw
１ｓｔテイクの方が感情が溢れてるなぁ
映画でしか観てないけど、「愛よ」の部分口が開いてたような…？？
これまでのほむらとの連続性考えたら左だけど、
右の方がさやかの怒りっぷりとの釣り合いが取れてると思う。
左だとさやかがキレすぎてる感じ。
結局は左の方が後味が悪くなくて安心するかな…
正直1stのほうが人外感あってすこ......
I really like how they went back, to the first episode, where Madoka's trying to decide what ribbons to wear and she's wearing the yellow ones, because she gave the red ones to Homura. I mean, how many people remember that little bit, after everything that happens? I only really remembered it, when I saw her wearing them.
...what? I just rewatched the scene, and she was still wearing the red ribbons.
I meant they recalled back to it, not that they redid the episode. In the first episode, Madoka is wondering what ribbons to wear, red or yellow; her mother tells her to wear the red ones. It's never brought up again and Madoka continues to wear the red ribbons, until she becomes Ultimate Madoka and gives them to Homura, as keepsakes. Here, after Homura rewrites everything, Madoka comes in, now wearing the yellow ribbons, instead of the red ones, since Homura still has them, until she gives them back.
I feel the one they chose for the movie was much for fitting. It represents the hopeless and struggling version of homura finally having her way. It keeps her going forward rather than backwards. It even matches her expressions more. The other take gives me the vibe of evil glasses homura.
１ｓｔの完成度がやばい。
Homura is one of the best anime characters ever made if not the best, the final take makes you feel her emotions so much better. she was jaded by everything even though she finally made the world as she wished it to be for Madoka she still knew it wasn't forever.
Personally I really liked the 1st take at the very end with the humming, just enough sadness and crazy to really sell it
That's something insane, remorseless people do. Which Homura is not.
NamineRitsu95
That doesn't even make sense. People can dance quietly without having 'all' of their screws loose. -_-
I love the first take, it was such a emotional release
JKstudio007
Ehh. She released enough emotion in all the scenes in the labyrinth that came before. They tried really hard not to make her come across as totally delusional (because then she wouldn't be aware of her own actions and feelings) or her own expression of said emotions would come off as too sentimental.
PikachuLittle I wonder what is she humming to though~
13:40. Am I the only one thinking......
HOW DOES ONE RIBBON BECOMES TWO RIBBONS?
she cut it while i didnt watched... seriously god and devil are there and u cerious how a ribbon become two ribbons
Not just you. When I watched it, it seemed really weird to why one became two ribbons lol~
It's the same two ribbon that Madoka gave to Homura in the TV series(2nd movie) final when Madoka became a god, Homura probably had it twisted to use it like the hairband she had before.
When Madoka gave Homura her ribbons, it was 2.. But Homura made it into 1 ribbon? That's my assumption..
Jasmine Teo
Homura probably twisted the ends to make the two ribbons into one, after all it's not like we can see the part of the ribbon hidden by her hair.
I love how she was humming "mada dame yo" on the right around 15:00
The first take definitely sounds like Homura doesn't have control over her emotions. In the second take, she sounds more composed, even cold (which is quite fitting for the Homura we know and experienced in PMMM), whereas the first she sounds she's lost complete sanity and reign over her emotions.
右はちょっとやり過ぎてホムラとは違うキャラになってる。
なんだろう､､､左がまどかが愛しの人
右が少し恨みを持っているように聞こえる
なんか左がクーほむで右が悪魔ほむらみたいに感じる
I love the passion of the first take. It makes the whole sequence seem like a twisted sort of self-actualization.
I enjoy the subtlety of the second take. The first take is very emotional, but I feel that hinders the scene a bit, like a cartoony villain. I like the eerie calm and confidence of the second take, because its feels as though Homura feels her actions are completely justified, and that sacrificing Madoka's paradise was simply the price that had to be paid. The first take, again, is really quite nice, and I think some parts of it could have been put to good use, but I don't feel the mood is quite right in the first take. I'm getting memories of Sayaka's insanity scene and that's not really what's being built up here. Once more, not bad, just not quite suited to the scene well.
The final fits her the best because of everything she's gone through, her voice is firm, while the first take she sounds innocent.. too innocent. like how she was before she became a magical girl. She's practically enjoying herself. 😭
まどかがアルティメット化しかけるシーン好き
幻想的で狂気がある
右側→ヤンデレ彼女感が強い
左側→毒親に近い執着心が強い
ファーストテイクの方がけっこう怖いわ…
The first take is a completely different take on her personality all together. There is no trace left of the "cool Homura" a brave front she puts up mostly to encourage herself. The new Devil Homura has no need for such a front, she is truly in constant despair over the fact that everyone else lives in a happy dream created soley for Madoka. Her desperation in keeping at least that part of the charade going even without any of the cool false bravado from before its evident when she talks to Madoka at school. First take is way sweeter, final take is pretty much just cool Homura.
1stテイクは完全に悪役じゃないか～。
こえ～～。
千和さん気合入りすぎたか・・・
断然finalのがいい(^^)
The first take has less monotone, and Homura sounds pretty insane in most of the clips. And in the scene where she declares that it’s for Madoka’s sake, it’s as if she’s transcended madness in a way, and reached a sense of pleasure. Personally, for that reason, I prefer the first take. But I guess it sounds a little less like Homura, and more like a psycho Homura lol
i'm gonna be honest, i pirated rebellion
what i didn't know, however, is that the version i pirated was the "Homura 1st Take." not only that, but that it was a better service to Homura's character overall (at least in my opinion,) since there's still a tinge of hope and emotion in her voice. a slight hint of the homura who had yet to lose everything. she's not dead, not emotionless. in fact, this is the moment in which she feels most alive; the moment where her reason to live comes back to her. that's what this moment is all about, homura not wanting to lose madoka again, no matter what. so in my opinion, i favor this "1st Take," as it sounds to me like someone finally getting what they've wanted for so, so long (at least, in most of these scenes)
Hail Homucifer.
the power of Godoka compels you.
yiss, Niceness and pinkness and Morning Rescue
GO Meguca rangers, you suffering meguca rangers!
***** I kinda dug the Holy Quintet.
***** 'like' is maybe the wrong word for that, but I saw where it was coming from.
Seiyuu can make the whole ending seem different with just voices holy
ファーストのが病んでる感出てて好きだけど、キャラ崩壊がやばい。
Wonderful editing for the comparison.
Kyubey's horrified stare at the end.....
Kyubey with emotions!? dafuq!?
Karl Arty Kyubey said his race could feel emotions if they became mentally ill. I'm sure it didn't take Homucifer too long to instill that mental illness.
shillbert when was this? I dont remember such information ovo
Нана Ahh
全体的に右側は声の雰囲気が高い希ガス。
8:01
That. That is the look of a girl who just shit herself.
8:52 begs to differ
Austin Kim
That's the look of a girl trying to steel the last of her courage, considering that the next thing she says is that she'll always remember Homura as a demon: just a final "eff you" before the last of her memories vanish.
8:01 is the look of a girl who just realized her ace-in-the-hole just went *fft*, along with all her friggin memories.
I hope you know that I was just playing along lol.
Austin Kim
On a different note, when Sayaka summons Oktavia, I can hear Symposium Magarum start playing in my head, and then it winds down and distorts like a record player when Homura erases her memories.
I know, I'm awful.
You're not awful. You have just understood the art of despair >:)
Join the cause and watch it completely tear itself apart.
結論 声優さんって凄い
右verが採用されてたらガチでびびったかも…
テイク1はいいんだけど、これだとほむらのキャラ激変してるから続編作る時にすげえ影響しちゃうよな
諸々の事情を考えると元々のほむらを残したテイク2が無難って感じか
なんか、右側は思いっきり自己愛溢れまくりって感じであまり好きではない
偉そうに感じてしまう
左の方が好きだな
右のヤンデレ感すこ
右のを聞いてるとゾッとする。こっちの方が悪魔っちゃ悪魔っぽい。
まどかに対してなら右の甘ったるい猫撫で声、他に対しては左の普段なクールって感じの声がマイイメージ
左かな？左の方がホムラに合ってると思う…
このほむほむはもう壊れたっていうか堕ちる所まで堕ちた感じ
右は、ほむらって感じがしない（感情が入りすぎてる〜）でも個人的には好き♥
このアニメ見た事ないけど左の方が好き。
6:12 is no one gonna talk about how smooth this hand animation is?
I love the second take a lot more than the 1st take. It really highlights the essence in her rationale and resolve and it makes her sound much more demented and evil and I loooooove that. The way she speaks in the second take makes her sound like what she did was justified despite the fact that she betrayed her friends happiness. I love seiyuu so much. She really gave it her all with this
9:12 Homura's voice getting lower makes me so frighten
左は悪魔ほむらだな〜っていう安心感が強いけど、右はマジで悪魔だな〜って感じがして、悪魔ほむらとはまた違った悪魔感を感じる
I think I prefer how much more haunting the post-credits scene is in the first take. After everything that happened, Homura quietly humming to herself just feels right.
I'm glad they choose the final recording.. Like that better than the insane 1st take.
先日、DVD版を購入して視聴しましたが、
BD版も購入しておこう。