Bart Ehrman - Conversations with History
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Conversations host Harry Kreisler welcomes biblical scholar Bart Ehrman for a discussion of his intellectual odyssey with a focus on how the Bible explains the problem of human suffering. The conversation includes a discussion of the challenges of biblical interpretation when confronting this age old problem of the human condition. Included are topics such as the contribution of the prophets, a comparison of the old and new testaments, the book of Job, and the emergence of apocalyptic writers. Series: Conversations with History [7/2008] [Humanities] [Show ID: 14669]
This guy is great. Corrected many of my misconceptions and got me to quit being an antitheist. Still an atheist but I see religion differently after his books and lectures.
cool.
Did Bart Ehrman bring your Foreskin back?
Professor Bart Ehrman… if I could meet him in person I would want to thank him forgiving me a sense of the depth and a deeper understanding of not only the History of Christianity … But helping me to refine my own views by understanding the psychological aspects therein.
This is one of the best interviewers of Bart I have seen. He did not hero worship Bart like most others do.This is the calmest I have ever seen Bart and at his highest efficacy. Sure would like to see Bart school Jordan Peterson and Ben Shipiro.
Ehrman is quite possibly my favourite Biblical scholar. I'm quite sure his lack of belief/faith is a factor in that but he's so thorough, reasonable and reasoned that it seems virtually impossible to fault his approach.
That was a very brave thing that Bart did. --> being in the thick of Catholisism, studiying it to the bone and coming to the conculsion that the Bible is flawed, written by men, fear based, has been mis-interpreted, contradictory, etc...then moving away from his faith to become Agnostic. Most of us who have some kind of foundation in religion (however small it may be, such as myself only going to 1st & 2nd grade in Catholic school) only cling to our religion because of fear.
Ya been had. They bungled the bible on purpose, get a gaggle of geese to fly high in their fox run teaching institutions where spindoctoring is paramount.
Teach truth mixed with poison, pretend the newly invented word for dragons ( to muddy the techings of the Nicolaitans ) on the anti-Christ, add millions of years in between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2.
And hey presto,,, corruption reigns supreme.
2 unrelated authorities on biblical corruption draw the same conclusion on "who dun it and why "
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changing the word. Veith.
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Chuck Missler how we got our bible.
Westcott and Hort had many verses removed from many versions a these 2 faithful servants testify
Your comment seems to suggest that Bart Erhman was a Catholic?
I believe he was an Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian.
@@annderby6295 -- He was raised as an Episcopalian. He became an evangelical fundamentalist in high school.
Kudos to Professor Ehrman from a fellow UNC guy in Hong Kong. A friend of mine in California just alerted me your interview on NPR this morning.
(cont'd) even after we become educated and well-rounded adults and are "allolwed" to learn about other religions and study our own religion, further, in non-religious universities. I think a lot of people have similar experiences. I give kudos to Prof. Bart for taking his stance.
Silly billy,Bart wasn`t ever catholic,he was evangelical..that`s totally different animal...
Bart is a great man I love listening to him thank you sir.
Highly informative and useful.
dont know if anyone commeneted on this, but I thought the narrarator was excellent
reading the "Left Behind" series lead me to being an atheist
There are literally hundreds of "sects" of Christianity, and is a testimony to the massive confusion the Bible has perpetrated on man. If God intended for men to be confused about what He said in the Bible, then he has succeeded.
Lol....mission accomplished.
Satan confuses people not God. Revelation 12:9 God has a plan that very few people understand. Jesus said if the scriptures are veiled they are veiled to those who will perish..
I don't know where you are from, but I am an American who has lived here 74 years and I couldn't come up with even 10 "sects" of Christianity. Where did you get "hundreds". Name 20!!
If there really was a god, we'd have only one religion.
You are either lucky to be loved and taken care of or (like so many) you struggle just to stay alive. People who think they enjoy upsetting others are not happy when they are alone with only their own thoughts. Why doesn't the belief in a god make people happy or nice to everyone?
Apparently, the world will end very soon, based on a free book published in 1956
It was called "1975 in Prophecy" and is still available free on the internet.
It is very convincing.
@@rexrambo7686
Dead babies go straight into the arms of Jesus, who, as we all know, had a lot of experience.
I thought it ended in 1988🤣
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Again
@@davidkeller6156 It did, but nobody noticed. What was known as the world still is hell.
What if all men were wise
and wished each other well!
Then this world would be paradise,
Now she is just ,,, well, another place.
He's great.
Professor Bart, very entertaining as usual. Facts and logical argument to reconfirm reason for acceptance of available recorded stories.
Reconfirm reason for rejection of acceptance of available Biblical stories [correction of error].
for 40 yrs I listened as a born again believer........then I began to search why all the competing and conflicting dogma among believers lead me to the study of historical documentation on biblical manuscripts which was a complete and utter failure as to what the Christians take for granted.
Supposedly God wrote using his own finger the 10 commandments to Moses.......why didn't he just create the scriptures himself instead of using such a worthless message of ancient superstitious people?
Me at the opening music:
🔥🎉😎🎊🔥
If only Christians were as honest about the text as Bart.
@@lepidoptera9337 atheism doesn't exactly ring true enough, either
49:34 My mother took me as a small kid to see the Late Great Planet Earth and it bothered me so much I went out of the theatre and sat in the lobby for an hour and a half waiting for my mother to come out. I felt nauseous.
Joseph not only helped save his family but everyone within Egypt and surrounding areas.
About Job and his children We should understand that life is fragile and in a instant can be tragic. We cannot idolize our loved ones and let their departure destroy our faith and phsyche
Outside of obvious parables within scriptures......what criteria does one use to determine what is to be taken literally or allegorically within its pages and stories?
If fact no one knows and as a result, there are over 38,000 denominations of Christianity.
Scriptures are hardly a revelation from a God nor could a reader claim to be guided by a Holy Spirit with such diversity of conflicting theology that exists
..truth of any kind cannot be found in such a historical document of confusion.
Why is Jesus not mentioned in the Dead Sea Scrolls ?
Bart isn't the only Scholar that has seen the new testament has serious flaws. Even in the old testament there are problems. Christians believe that Moses was the author of the first 5 books since that what it says, yet how does moses write about his own death?
Second, unless you can read Greek and Aramaic, you can only go by what translated to you, and how can you be sure that translator is correct? The Catholic Church decided what would be. Earliest bible books are from around 900 AD. So theres no proof whatsoever any of the Bibles are truthful.
As for the first 5 books, the Jewish Scholars will tell you that they are a compilation of 4 different versions of them. So the new testaments could be the same.
Obviously, the answer to all your questions is: Goddidit
Best Bart Ehrman video of all.
The left behind series went through my pentecostal church as important reading material. It was equally terrifying as the bible to a believer.
As a Christian you have to be terrified of the truth... after all, what it says is that you still believe in adult Santa. ;-)
The solution is to be contented with what we have and bear patience with the challenges faced.
Or we can just ignore old books that say silly things and follow ahead with the tools of reason.
+mythousandfaces Meh, you and your reason and logic. ;)
Watch this video of Dr. Bart Ehrman too, very informative!
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Before you can defend faith and place upon oneself spiritual armour......it would be essential to first investigate whether the bible is a document worthy of revealing such a commitment within a study independent of that commitment.
If you assume your defense from scriptures you are assuming it is correct because it says it is correct.......dangerous grounds in which to live one's life...
jacopman I couldn't have said it better myself!
on the question of suffering pain is gods way of telling us there is something wrong.
Matthew (4:23) says Jesus preached Gospel in Galilee.
We know that all 4 canonical gospels were written 40-90 years after Jesus left this earth.
So where is the gospel Jesus preached?
God didn't feel fit to preserve the words of Jesus in its original (Aramaic) form.
I appreciate his work...just wish he would look a little deeper and discover Xenu. The only REAL cause and effect on this rock called earth. I'm a class 8 auditor in the Church of Scientology and would be more than happy to teach him!
Preach it to your fellow cultists.
@@markpkessinger I was making a joke.
@@robertalexander9365 -- Sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell these days!
@@markpkessinger agree 100%
The best thing about UA-cam is that you meet many of the authors and so called scholars. I only wish I had found this video 2 years ago -it would have saved me $25.99 as I wouldn't have bought his book "Jesus, interrupted". The book is descriptive but the author alternatively uses, misues and ignores the basic concepts of the two natures displayed by Jesus and that the whole point of religion is to uphold a few moral ideals.Rather he rejoices at finding the discrepancies in the trivial
I'm not confused at all, there is no validity to any of it for me to have an interpretation in conflict with another..
.............its all the Christians who are confused.....
Example..............get a group of Christians together......even from the same bible study in church and ask them.........."What is the role of the Holy Spirit?".......or is the rapture pre/mid or post tribulation?
Sit back and listen to the confusion..............
They are one the way...Dr. James White is about to lay him out in debate soon, so I don't know if much will be left. ROFL.
ALSO, myfacevids, you can assume how much study I've done all you want. But I don't have 2 degrees and and about to get a third and perhaps forth and fifth for nothing.
Is this the Children's Bible Hour? Guess so.
The Left Behind series was good at the beginning but it got so unbelievable I skipped the last book.
@54:00 well that didn't age well eh @Bart D. Ehrman
He certainly got one thing wrong as history has unfolded. The religious right is not engaged in dealing with climate change and social justice. The apocalyptic worldview is nearly totally dominate. Otherwise I resonate with him and enjoyed hearing from him from so long ago.
This may seem overly pedantic, but 'dominate' is a verb, not an adjective. The word you are presumably intending to use is 'dominant'. As a former ESL / EFL teacher, i find the easily-discernible difference to be a particular "pet-peeve" when the two words are conflated by native-speakers of English... Seeming fools on sports commentary websites seem particularly prone to this error, so it jars to see the mistake made outside that context. Anyway, i object to your entire post, but do not wish to continue this riposte right now. Morning ablutions to perform, and an out-of-town friend to visit, etc.^^
The alternative is to realize that God created the world just as it is with it's good and evil. But that would mean that God is responsible for the evil in the world. So people rather believe that an apocalypse is going to happen. They rather think that the world is controlled by Satan and his henchmen and that God is going to do something about it. This is why people are drawn to end-times/last days religions.
However they also worship Satan because they give Satan so much power and say he's the ruler of this earth. No wait they say he's the god of this earth. LOL
@@lissam8988 true. It’s bizarre to me that they call god the creator but most Christians implicitly believe that Satan inherited dominion over the earth.
@@lissam8988 when someone says look at the trees. How could someone be an atheist? The glory of satan is written in every child’s laughter or the color of every sunset!
Hola.
In the Hebrew Bible we just find 'Sons of God', part of the angelic hierarchies, somewhat corrupted echoed in the Trial of Jesus 'the son of God' versus Jesus Barabbas (means:'Son of the Father', i.e God). 'Son of God in the flesh' is just a cheap transformation of the old Greek theogony of Hesiod into the new Greek colored theology called Christianity. And that's the end of the matter.
Cool, going to check that out
Oh that's OK then I'll go and burn my bible and start drinking, because your obviously RIGHT😜
Where did you get your degree, a Cereal packet???
MrFacet...Jesus said it best: "By their fruit you will know them.." Simple, logic.
I(Talking about Job) could never replace my 4 kids that is strange. I think that would make sense if the society saw people as property and not humans.
Darkmatter2525 sent me here
ALSO the amount of study you have probably done vs bart probably amounts to a few bible studies and a few books youve read.
I see you posting against bart everywhere.. why.. because you dont like your faith being challenged LOL.. and been seen for what it is.. A BUNCH OF BIG ASSUMPTIONS
Good thing the church was there to catch that family escaping Cambodia. Think about that for a moment.
"You might want to check into the fact that Bart is spreading lies and deception. At some point I will do a video series proving just that."
Accusing Bart Ehrman of lying, i.e. the spreading of falsehoods with the intent to deceive, is a rather bold claim. So it would be appropriate as a matter of course to prove your claim, and not at some point, but right after the claim being made - *if* you can prove it. But you can prove it, can you? If not, you would have been lying yourself. (cont.)
Amen this heretick is deceiving a lot of people. And he likes to say Israel is Palestine which is a lie. He is causing confusion and Satan is the author of confusion.
I was not raised fundamentalist but in a presby background..............regardless the only aspect of Christianity I find tolerable is what John Bishop Spong aspires to.......which is so liberal that its more like a self help course than anything divine............that's okay but we have better self help books today than to look at one from 2,000 yrs ago.....I do have a lot of respect for his scholarship and sincerity of his position.
Mortality is a school of suffering and trials. We are here that we may be educated in a school of suffering and of fiery trials, which school was necessary for Jesus, our Elder Brother, who, the scriptures tell us, ‘was made perfect through suffering.’ It is necessary that we suffer in all things, that we may be qualified and worthy to rule, and govern all things, even as our Father in Heaven and His eldest son, Jesus.
Does he have the guts to go with a lecture series on the Qran or Mohamed ? If he does it , I am willing to listen to him.
That isn't his primary area of expertise, so why would he?
who came in the flesh God himself or the son of God?
1 Timothy 3:16 "God the father himself"
John 1:1 " God the father himself"
if God himself came in the flesh that break the trinity! and God has no son.
1 john 4:2 "son of God"
2 John 1:7 "son of God"
Really? If he meets his "maker" as you call him, then do you think he will judge him for just deciding that the Bible is bogus? Have you read the Bible and discovered all the bad parts or do you just cherry pick the good parts. As Mark Twain said, "It isn't the parts of the Bible I do not understand, but the parts that I do."
Dick Sinay That Mark train quote makes no sense.
The parts he didn't understand.....And.
@@apokalypse7777 Mark train lmao
@trac4yt Jesus didn't die. In fact, util you present evidence, he probably never even lived.
Prove he was historic and actually lived first, then prove how and where he died and then - ONLY THEN - show that he "rose for the dead"
You are deluded.
"Bart was a pseudo-Born again Christian"
Every time a Christian - born again or not - leaves his faith, someone will imply that the former Christian wasn't a *true* Christian to begin with.
This is of course an example of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
I have never heard anyone say "You weren't a REAL atheist".
Exactly! It's effectively a "No True Scotsman" fallacy!
I like it better when Bart Ehrman gives a lecture without a host. The host adds nothing to the conversation. just waste time.
Boy... What happened to that part of the religious right that was concerned about environmental issues?
I’m noticing he doesn’t mention slavery … only holocaust
No, myfacevides. I don't post against Bart "everywhere." And I don't do it because I don't like my faith challeged. In fact, I LIKE it challeged, so that I can know from study and research just how solid my faith is. So your assertions are simply BIG ASSUMPTIONS themselves. lol.
Isnt it a little strange that a bible scholar claims that the concept of the devil "a personal enemy of God" only appears in the book of revelation considering Genesis 3:14; The Lord God said to the snake, because you did this, a curse will be put on you..."
You just proved Dr. Ehrman's central thesis. You ASSUME the serpent in Genesis is the devil, because you have been taught that this is the case.
If the snake was the devil in disguise, it seems pretty unreasonable of God to punish all the real snakes by making them legless. Meanwhile the devil still seems to have his legs. The story makes more sense if the snake was just a talking snake, which is absurd enough already.
There was a Christian revival before Pol Pot came to power
That’s right brothers and sisters in Christ. He made his point and it sounded SOOOO good doesn’t he? He almost persuaded my thoughts too, then I realized the serpent’s persuasion was just as good or even better, that’s why Eve n Adam got us into this mess in the first place. DO NOT allow the Satan to con you AGAN people. Oh, by the way, Judah regretted bitterly when he betrayed Jesus; don’t be Judah or you’ll be regretting F O R E V E R RRRRRRRRR
Sigh.
Well, you got the definition basically right, but you apply it wrongly to me. Sorry, no cigar.
Correct.........38,000 denominations of Christianity world wide.......and the Paul says in the epistles that "God is not the author of confusion".......
He's not?
Get a group of believers together........even from the same church and ask them..........."is the rapture a pre/mid or post tribulation event...........then watch the confusion reign.
and the Bible is the word of God?
Something is not adding up here......
Your most recent presentation from U. C. Berkeley is nostalgic to me because UC Berkeley is my alma-mater (A.B. , B.S., MS., M.D. , 1964-1975). I came to realize early in my life that the “Bible” is a conglomerate novelty book, that adds confusion to historical and biological reality. Religion and belief based on nonsense is sheer poison for the young developing minds.
book early in my life and was never bothered by any other considerations
and that's the problem.....every denomination sees all the others as a cult........Prod verse Catholic........Calvin verses Luther......Speaking in tongues...faith healing.....prophecy.........how many claims of cultism among 38,000 denominations world wide can develop from such a mess?
The bible is so unclear........so far off objectivity that people and institutions are dedicated to trying to figure it all out..........silly but sad really.
According to most translations of Mark 2:26, Jesus is said to have said that “in the days of Abiathar the high priest” David went into the house of God and ate of the showbread. Since Ahimelech, Abiathar's father, was high priest when this happened, this translation would be historically inaccurate. Interestingly, some early textual witnesses omit this phrase, nor does it appear in the parallel passages at Matthew 12:4 and Luke 6:4. However, a similar formulation is found in the Greek text of Mark 12:26 and Luke 20:37, and in these passages many translations use the phrase "in the story of". Thus, it seems appropriate to render Mark 2:26 so it reads: “As he entered into the house of God, according to the account of Abiathar the chief priest . . .” Since the account of Abiathar's activities begins shortly after the account of David going into the house of God to eat the showbread, and since Abiathar later became high priest of Israel under David's rule, this translation makes the historical Accuracy of report maintained.
Could this be a solution?
@@lepidoptera9337 weak answer :(
@@lepidoptera9337 Sorry but u don´t understand and I have no time for u.
@@UnimatrixOne So what? Somebody said Jesus said something. Does that mean he walked on water, killed some pigs with an exorcism, and rose from the dead? You’re real busy sweeping up the broken plates on the Titanic.
@@docsspellingcontest592 Superfluous comment - if you think about it that way, why are you even watching biblical videos?!
@@UnimatrixOne Ever notice that so many Christian UA-camrs don’t allow comments on their videos? It’s UA-cam, the Wild West. They can’t control the message, hence the hemorrhage of believers from their churches. You missed a broken shard. It’s under 4 feet of water
...now, in all Ehrman has to say remember his words and ask yourself, CAN I TRUST OR BELIEVE THIS MAN IN MATTERS RELATING TO THE TRI-UNE GOD?:
_“Bruce Metzger is one of the great scholars of modern times... even though we may disagree on important religious questions_*-he is a firmly committed Christian and I am not...* - HENCE, ALTHOUGH WELL RESEARCHED AND MARKETED, HIS WORDS ARE THE OPINION OF MAN
Realistically the Bible is the opinion Of some men too..
Jahovah is salvation
Repent accept jahovah and do good works
look at this contradiction
the bible says God is not a man! Numbers 23:19
"God is not a man" then the bible says he created man created man in his own image!!
bibleresponse You call yourself bible response. Then misquote the bible, you think we are all stupid.
Your trying to climb on the back of a real Scholar.
At least this guy has done his research, and has the credentials to prove it.
Why didn't you quote the whole scripture???
God is not a man that he should Lie, unlike YOU. This scripture means that humans are prone to lie.
God made man in his own image ( spiritually )
And after his likeness.
For your information, the bible says God is a spirit. So we are Spirit Soul and Body.
@J H God only changes His mind when it Involves MERCY.
Such as when Moses pleaded with God, not to destroy Israel.
God says the Soul that sins shall Die.
Yet, even though he was going to destroy Israel, he repented of this intention, because of his promise to Abraham to make of his descendants, a great nation.
This prophetic statement couldn’t happen if he destroyed them.
So he didn’t.
Yes, Bible have many historical error, discrepenses n contracdition, so automaticly Yesus divine is false also, better to him searc other God not birth from Virgin Marry, was Marry ( n husban ) worship to her son??? When, how???
I agree fully that the Jews veered away from the concepts of the OT. They introduced man made theories that became dogma by the time Jesus ministered and persist to this very day, i.e: transmigration of souls, "holy" rabbis who have died, yet reappear from time to time due to their divine attributes etc.However, the concept of Satan as belonging to the spiritual realm and acting independently and contrary to God's will was universally accepted therefore can be branded solidly Judaic.
Random jew herem As great a book and story as job is i Def find ezekiel ti be way better at explaining why we suffer and what is going on andnwhy it had to be that way
How will he meet evolution... which is his maker, and the maker of everyone else??? Or are you referring to some mythical bronze-age sky-daddy?
Everyone is programmed and God works all things according to the counsel of his own will.
God or Jesus?
man, the pin headed bible thumpers are thick as ticks on a hound dog on this site; Professor Ehrman sure has his work cut out for him;
It really is exhausting trying to talk to these people. They are so deep in delusion that all efforts at reasoning with them are futile. If they could just step outside their tiny box and look at the entire world today in conjunction with history, then maybe they will see how nonsensical their beliefs are. Don't hold your breath.
So why did this happen if there is a God?
Okay let's say there is no God. Why did this happen?
Your answer, as an athiest, is what?
So your answer is better than God's?
Fascinating.
How can God’s answer be better than his if there is no God?
And then there's the false pretense of scholarship that Bart brings to issues. Job was not written by two different authors. That is an assumption with no real basis in sound reasoning.
God allows suffering so rappers can have careers.
The Bible answers why we suffer. It says we learn obedience by the things that we suffer.
Suffering is way overated.
Do anyone else finds the questioner annoying?
Very!
He was struggling with remembering or seeing the questions he needs to ask.
Not as annoying as I find you.
I thought he was quite courteous.
Yes.his voice.
You are well read but you thinks you have jewish answers to suffuring.
Job bottom line is
'were you present at creation to know these answers.'
at mount sinai the jewish nation was experiancing soul separation -- that is death, and they resurected. was God's way of saying I play with souls...the living.
Focusing on the aspect of pain.
We understand God as perfect and in finite and make a big mistake in his aspect of pain.
Perfection according to us can never experience pain.
But pain is his. The day he created the physical world he took it upon himself.
When Man was created he was not sent to the physical world but in the Garden of Eden.
If you would have eaten from the tree he would experience dead and pain and suffering.
Eve understood that her job was in the lower worlds. And was ready. So thats when she got her physical body a window in God relm of suffering.
That is the reason why God was telling Job friends you have to bring a sin sacrifice because you made a mistake and understanding suffering.
we have to respect pain in human as God's experiance...the vessel cant expiriance infinite godliness.
You are taught that God was an Idol who doesn't experience suffering.
Does this picture of god placed in a place of old father bedridden with painful bed sores all over his body. With dementia.
Will he be your hero, your King?
you miss on the point that it is an opportunity for a finite and physical, imperfect man to choose infinite and perfect God.
keep studing...go to jews they could be helpful.
My threats are meaningless. But God's carry omnipotent force.
That there are some ethno-cultural-religious similarities common to the ancient fertile crescent cultures/religions does not mean they are one and the same any more than we are one and the same with the banana despite the fact we share 60% of our DNA with bananas.
Bottom line is that the concept of Satan's origin and role has been fairly consistent and well attested to in Judaism for at least the past 3,000 years and your atheist ideology does not add nor subtract from this fact.
MrFacet...Do you even know what a straw man is? From small to great, Ehrman can be discredited from many examples. You make no real point.
Does Bart ever comment on the DNA of Jesus?
He fails to say anything with substance or meaning. Surely life without God is full of hopelessness and disillusionment. God isn’t the one with the problem. And the Bible does answer the problem of suffering.
Maybe ‘your’ life without God, but not all of our lives. I enjoy being a seeker more than a blind believer. I could see purpose in life either way. Maybe for some but not all
Now is the time when the anti-Christ appears and no one can "buy or sell unless they have the mark of the beast." Can you see it Bart Ehrman? Is there time for you to repent?
@@rexrambo7686 Boy, do you know all about it. Do you also have three sixes tattooed somewhere on your body?
They’ve been expecting the apocalypse since Jesus’ time. Hasn’t happened yet and you think it’s going to happen now? Join the rest of the suckers over the last 2,000 years who expected it.
REPENT! GOD'S JUDGEMENT IS COMING!
🤣🤣🤣 I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I put no trust in your emotional beliefs. I am not afraid, for God is my protector. Stop blathering nonsense. There are no pictures of heaven nor of hell nor of the lake of fire.
And this guy knows nothing of Gods word or christ
Wow! You don’t get it, do you?
What's odd is that Protestant s claim to go only by solo Scriptures...Yet they seem to ignore the fact not one of the hundreds of variant versions of Christian Bibles match each other or the original koine Greek NT Papyrus or the original Hebrew or the Dead sea scrolls??? 1John 5:7-8,John 5:4,Mark 16:9-20 just a few...
At least Catholics admit modifying scriptures.
I only study the Hebrew Tanakh now. Way to many changes additions made to the Christian Bibles. There is only one Hebrew Bible and it matches the Dead sea scrolls. Use only Orthodox Tanakh not a JPS Reform version.
Tenak Talk Channel goes into details with proof from scriptures.
Satan was created by God as a good being. He CHOSE to become evil because he was tempted to bring suffering to the world in order that he may be the prince of this world. Satan had absolute free will as do we, the only difference being that Satan never doubted God's existence anymore that you doubt your own existence because God reveals himself to the spirit world in a more explicit way than he does to human beings, thus Satan's choice was even more sinful stemming from greed, pride etc...
God created the light (good) and the shadow come with it (bad) you take out one the other will go too . now think
How long did it take you to think up that?
If it is impossible to have shadow without light then it means 2 things
1) There must be dark (bad) in Heaven
2) God is not omnipotent - He cannot create light without also creating dark
Now think
ianrwood21 Are you that ignorant ? only stupid people talk like this . People that are in the dark . there is no need, to talk to people like you . good bye .
manny mo
People like you are too stupid to understand the implications of what they are arguing.
No in Isaiah, god says u create good and evil. God us responsible for evil.
Answers to suffering from the Qur'an: Surah Baqarah.
2:152 So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me.
2:153 O you who have believed, seek help through patience and prayer. Indeed, Allah is with the patient.
2:154 And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah , "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.
2:155 And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,
Such bullshit. Why would an omniscient God need to test anything? He knows the outcome before creating the first human, and since he has unlimited power, he and only he is responsible.
*****
So God is not omniscient and not omnipotent?
Salleh Mohamad Why don't you point out these nice verses about suffering?
Quran 3:151
We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun
Quran 3:56
As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers.
Quran 8:39
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah and the religion will all be for Allah Alone. But if they cease, then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.
nome97 sobrenome97 Why are u Quoting out of Context!
U fool bitch!
Those are War verses when Muslims were betrayed by Jews!
Jews broke covenant with Muslims and tried to assasinate Muhammad pbuh but failed!
REVELATION 2:21-23 I(Jesus) will rip open her and kill her children if she didn't repent of Adultery!
+nome97 - thank you for providing the perfect response.
BART, REPENT! GOD'S WRATH IS COMING
Which God? God or Jesus?
Again, myfacevides, you have no clue what you're talking about. Obviously you think Bart really knows what he's talking about and can't be wrong. Think again. I find it interesting that YOU seem to be going around trying to defend him in some way. You might want to check into the fact that Bart is spreading lies and deception. At some point I will do a video series proving just that. You might want to stay tuned.
I can assure you that Bart Ehrman was never born again. "By their fruits you will know them."
At least we know his bias now and his subjective autobiography.
Sorry, your argument amounts to a "No True Scotsman" fallacy.
Thought the interviewer was a lady
(cont.) So when will your video proving your claims be coming forth? Well, it hasn't even to be a video series. Two examples in the comment section of Bart Ehrman lying, i.e. spreading falsehoods with the intent to deceive would suffice, since you speak of lies, plural. Even one example would be a start.
So can you substantiate your claims, or have you been lying?
Revelation 21:8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.