I have a rule, that when information gets pushed by the algorithm in very weird and specific moments it's fundamentally wrong from the get go a false truth to mislead.
I think it's neat the Bible is inconsistent. It means that using it as an argument for something is difficult when other verses might say the opposite of it.
My favorite form this takes is when you ask a Christian what mechanism they used to call upon to KNOW that their Bible is true. And they say something along the lines of: “You just need to read the scriptures, accept Jesus into your heart and you will KNOW it’s true”. Then someone does all of that and has ZERO change happen and the Christian retorts that, the reason it didn’t happen is because that person did something wrong. They didn’t read the scriptures thoroughly enough. They didn’t pray hard enough. They didn’t REALLY accept Jesus into their heart. Because they have started with the answer being unequivocally, correct, from the start. So, there is no possible way whatsoever that the premise ITSELF can be wrong. It’s YOU who did something wrong because I did all of that and got the answer I was told I was going to find. Cognitive dissonance in a nutshell.
Absolutely! What you're alluding to is an unfalsifiable proposition. If the premises can never be examined and falsified, then the conclusion is as moot as ever. And also you can't start with your conclusion as a premise before the test of the evidence and logic for the conclusion. That's circular reasoning (begging the question). When will they ever learn?
It's simply victim blaiming. Not surprised about that after reading all the horror morals described in the bible. God is all love until you don't love him back. Just like an abusive boyfriend.
Listen man, you're your own man. You're the one that is suppose to seek God. You! Are you? Are you real enough to go to him who is here and now in prayer and ask for some sign so you can believe? It is al you need to do but remember God is omnipotent, he knows you like a book. He knows what you've done and all those things that you believe yoy can do that is against his commandments. You may be egotistical, arrogant and heady, haughty and high minded, you got to be humble and lowly of heart, meek and full of humility to approach God. You must be sincere, honest and true with him. And he knows your nakedness, what you're all about. He knows your intents and motivations, know you end from the beginning. Is there even hope for you after the upbringing that you had? You must return to your childhood and start from scratch because 9 out of 10 you were not of a GODLY household. That's two X marks against you. Jesus said to be born again. Unless you become as one of these little ones you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Seek God like a child. Unlearn falsehood and lie. Get away from unbelievers. We followers of Jesus are in a war! Show INTEREST in God. Be enthusiastic and fascinated by him. Give thanks where thanks is due, hey you were given an existence, how precious and valuable is that especially when we are actually souls that live forever? Wow! Be in tears when you approach God. You can NEVER repay him for an existence. God is that BIG! Start your own story, your own book of the Bible. We are all books good or bad so plant your seed in good soil. Your greatest weapon is to RESIST the devil, always remember that. I died and rose again. I was just a child. My mother read to me Bible stories from a big blue book. One day I got really cold and nothing would warm me up. I died covered in blankets. JESUS knocked at the door. I got out of bed and opened it and there he was. I wanted to go tell my ma because she had been praying for me and so I ran back to my bedroom and there was a body in my bed. I went over to it to get a look at the face and that's when against my will I was forced back into the body. I just simply laid down on top of it and I immediately woke up back in this world. When I was 20 years old I went seeking God. I would acknowledge him. This is how it works, my friend. I lived in a dormitory and one day I had a thought, maybe I should live for God now. And then came a whole bunch of thoughts against it. (It's how the devil works). Thoughts like, no you're not ready yet. I have all these friends. So on and so forth. So I decided not to give it another thought. The next day something unprecedented happened. There was a knock at my door and when I opened it I saw two men standing there in suit and tie hold a Bibke in their hands. They wanted to cone in and talk to me about Jesus. You are to acknowledge the LORD in all your ways and he shall make your path straight. I went with it and God blew me away when I gave my life to him. I haven't even begun to tell you what God has done in my life, it's phenomenal! Now you start your journey and see where he takes you.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them...
Hi! I am an autistic recovering Roman Catholic with a neuro-diverse trans son, and am doing my best to navigate the situation without completely alienating my very religious extended family, and this channel has been a massive help for me as well. You are not alone!
Good luck with that. Remember you can set boundaries in your relationships if you need to. And I recommend "sex and sensibility" by forrest valkai. He really breaks the science down in an efficient way. It could help you explain things to them.
@@vanadyan1674 sounds like you are walking on eggshells around your extended family. I hope for you that you will fully embrace yourself until you realize your mind, beliefs, spiritual, mental and emotional journey is more improtant than tip-toeing around them to keep them calm. We all need to come to learn that their feelings, beliefs and thoughts are their problems, not ours. Believe in yourself, take courage and own your life.
You naturally this way? or influenced? lot of folks at the mercy of western stupidity with little understanding of anything getting their heads all filled with shiet deciding to be trans. Trans in my country is so fking rare, that i dont think ive ever seen it. Be sure what your doing is of your own decision, and coming here to find ways or reasons to justify it to yourself or others, isnt for nailing a down a foundation you otherwise didnt build yourself.
This is (partly) why I’m a progressive Christian who sees Scripture as a library of different perspectives. I don’t need to defend it on the grounds that it is consistent and perfect. It’s not, and that doesn’t undermine my faith.
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Actually it's what enables my faith. I became Christian at 18 and was baptized at 20, which would have been impossible had an Episcopal priest not described the Bible this way and given me books with liberal titles like "So You Think You're Not Religious" by James Adams. To demand that people leave their brains at the door is a bad look.
@@beinghimself Not really a coping mechanism for me, as I didn't gradually become less evangelical; I was always progressive. I'm now a Christian atheist, along the lines of John Caputo (though rooted in Kierkegaard).
@@SAK1855That's nice. I rather see the bible as a (sometimes innacurrate) window into anchient times. A piece of history that should be preserved, but not tried to bring to reality
I love how excited Dr. Ehrman looks at 11:40. You can tell he really loves his job and is excited to share his research with people! As a teacher, I've totally felt that before, and it's wonderful to see that in someone else.
I'm Autistic and I always joke that my special interest is other people's special interests. I LOVE watching people talk about the things they are passionate about and educated in, including really niche things.
He's certainly inspiring! Getting to hear more and more from him through Drew and Paulogia and then following his own channel is making me consider going into new testament studies!
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do. - D. Dale Gulledge It is the position of some theists that their right to freedom OF religion is abridged when they are not allowed to violate the rationalists’ right to freedom FROM religion. - James T. Green
I remember struggling with the cognitive dissonance between the fact that the truth about the bible is so clear and obvious, and that most of the people I preached "the truth" to didn't agree with me and yet they seemed to be perfectly nice and reasonable. Even as a devout Christian, it was hard for me to reconcile that one.
Religion owning morality is a really toxic and troublesome idea. Preaching it reinforces itself, in a way, because you can make up countless reasons that a non believer is evil exactly because he is denying and by extension attacking your truth. In many cases, that point alone makes meaningful arguments impossible
I we all do, it helps whenever I feel anger towards them, it’s like, I figured out it was bull why can’t you? But knowing the mental block is very real I can forgive.
Reconciling that was a huge source of brain pain for me. Also further on that is "these kind people are going to burn for eternity because they deny my totally-obvious-god" and that never sat well with me. Eternal punishment for someone who just doesn't or can't understand the "evidence" for god so they now deserve ETERNAL punishment with zero ability to reconcile.
there's a koan that's similar to the Parable of the Good Samaritan, but about dogmatism: two monks were traveling together. they came to a river flooding its banks that they needed to ford. a woman was there, and asked for their help. without question, one monk lifted her and carried her across the river, then put her down on the other side, and the two monks continued on. some miles later, the other monk turned to him, "you know it's against the rules to touch a woman, what were you doing?" the monk shrugged, "I put her down back by the river, but you've been carrying her this entire time."
@@exaucemayunga22 koans are open to interpretation, but my answer is that it's more important to help people than to follow rules. monastic rules are supposed to help monks renounce attachments, but the monk who's angry about breaking the rule is attached to the rule and the idea of breaking it, while the monk who acted did what was right without attachment to the act.
I'm a 41 year old who was raised/forced into Evangelical Christianity. As I grew older I was a Christian by my own choice and my studies of the Bible convinced me that it was not true. I still find value in the Bible but only as suggestions (like stop signs in parking lots). I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your videos and hope to see many more.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)...
I'm 41 as well. Never forced, but Christian by choice as a teen/young adult. I too found out the Bible is ridiculous by reading it carefully. Just thought some common things deserved a shout out. ❤
I'm a progressive minister in the U.S. (and progressive bible reader, with some videos of examples of what that can look like), and I really appreciate your capacity to speak honestly about the bible, in a nuanced way, recognizing the bible's own diversity and complexity, without denigrating it or denigrating those who seek social and spiritual guidance from it. While it definitely is filled with bias and all kinds of darker aspects of humanity, there are ways to receive it holistically (especially with focusing on Jesus' teaching) that promote progressive values and vision for human and ecological healing and wholeness. Even Paul's theology leads him to make incredibly progressive claims for 1st century Rome. Like Galatians 3:28 where he levels hierarchy based on the absolute universality of God's love. Anyway, great video. Thanks again for the respectful delivery! Peace
@@0kwhat Well, I'm not "picking and choosing" what to believe. Everyone has to interpret everything (there is no interpretation-free understanding of anything). So in Matthew 12:1-8 when Jesus essentially admits he's breaking the law (the bible) and that he's right in doing so, was he just picking and choosing? He had a particular way of interpreting the mandates of the law. Your way of reading scripture, I believe--and argue for in my video "The Bible and Ethics"--is actually contrary to the way the bible tells us we should read it. Moreover - the religious leaders of Jesus' day literally killed him because they thought he was a heretic (and because he was pointing out their abusive power relations with poeple...). It's not for nothing that Paul said "the letter kills but the spirit gives life."
@@theholyshiftshow hey mate. People like you helped me get out of Mormonism, so I really appreciate what you do. While I am now agnostic and nor interested in attending any church, I genuinely respect your work. After I left, I was in a community choir, being held at a local Anglican church. The rev was way more interested in community engagement and we had some great chats about how we both left religions that were not progressive and loving to forge our own paths. His led one way, mine led another...but I see the good he does in his local community. I do not choose to lump all church leaders in for this reason. Some are really trying to give people a good life with dignity and hope, regardless of whether they actually show up to services or give the church money. Good on you. X
Bias is like optical illusions. It shows how many short cuts our brain takes in order to process effiently in real time. Seeing and understanding biases makes you way smarter, not a snowflake. But also, being biased is absolutely normal, and to some degree quite useful.
You could say that optical illusions *are* biases; the brain prefers to interpret confusing or noisy visual input in specific ways that make sense to it.
@@nio804 I would prefer not. Optical illusions are almost all very useful (for example shadow resilience etc), biases have become a huge problem due to the scale of society (while opt. ils haven't). But I still find the comparison very useful as it makes really evil sounding topics like racism, sexism etc far more understandable and thus more combatible (instead of being in the realm of "evil people", or "snowflakes crying again")
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)..
@@Abstract.616Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them.... I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)..
As a Classicist, I learned early about manuscript transmission and scribal errors. My argument was: even if God inspired the first scribe, this isn’t the original manuscript ; there’s no guarantee that the intermediate scribes were inspired.
the thing that is very difficult about cognitive biases is how invisible it is when we experience it. It functions by make you feel that you're right, so catching yourself making mistakes is very cognitively difficult
I love your videos. Unlike some other prominent atheist UA-camrs, I feel like you present things in a way that challenges what I believe as a Christian, without treating me as stupid for being a Christian.
@wingnutmcspazatron3957 there is no hell n of there is then we all goin. I mean unless you believe in eternal saving. It be religious who do most outlandish shit living a lie. None are truly theirselves
“I think what happened with Christianity to put it in its very simple terms is that Jesus was not interested in Doctrine and for some reason Christianity became obsessed with Doctrine with what you believe Jesus was really interested in how you behave and how you live.” This made me tear up. My quarrel has never been with Jesus.
Paul saying everyone who says they don't believe in God is in denial is weird since he supposedly didn't believe until Jesus showed up to him on the Road to Damascus.
Hi! I am an autistic recovering Roman Catholic with a neuro-diverse trans son, and am doing my best to navigate the situation without completely alienating my very religious extended family, and this channel has been a massive help for me. Thanks so much for approaching this subject in such a non-judgemental way and always (usually) leading with kindness and empathy.
@@petergaskin1811no, wrong. not every thing is either true or false. think of mathematicians, who take a set of axioms and posit them to be true, seeing what follows. religious faith is more similar in that sense to Geometry than to Physics.
My love of this channel grows with every video I watch. I love the unwavering compassion and nuance in your tone, and your willingness to discuss difficult and/or complex relational/religious issues in a frank and honest way.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 as a practicing Christian myself, please explain to me how your comment is in any way relevant to what I said. Drew’s religious beliefs have nothing to do with my respect for the way he discusses his ideas. God does not have a monopoly on kindness and gentleness.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nobody is talking about getting into heaven. You still haven’t managed to explain how your comment relates to mine in any way whatsoever. I was complementing Generically Modified Skeptic. Nobody asked you to come in here and proselytize.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 my guy, you missed the part where I said “as a practicing Christian”. I believe in the same Christ you claim to believe in. Your pride makes you incapable of doing something as simple as reading a comment and, in so doing, you fail the second of the two greatest commandments: “love your neighbor as yourself.” You cannot love someone if you’re so self-absorbed that you cannot listen to them. Do you ignore yourself when you care for yourself in your day to day tasks? Do you ignore your body when it is hungry or thirsty, or do you just avoid sleep when your body is telling you it is tired? Moreover, in every single story we have of Jesus ministering to others, the first thing we see Jesus listening first, then meeting a need, and then ministering. Zacheus: Jesus saw him climb a tree and went to have dinner with him. After seeing such an act, Zacheus declared that he would pay back the money he cheated from others because Jesus dared to sit and eat with a meager sinner. The woman at the well: Jesus listened to her story, and then ministered to her need. The centurion: Jesus declared “I’ve have not seen one in Israel with faith such as this. Go, your servant is healed” because he listened to the centurion say “you don’t need to come to my house to heal my servant, only to declare it so.” If you can’t even listen, please stop pretending you can minister.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 it seems you missed the part where I said “as a practicing Christian”. If you cannot even do something as simple as read and listen, please stop pretending you can minister. “Love your neighbor as yourself”. I doubt you walk around all day ignoring your physical, mental, psychological, and spiritual needs, as your body tells you what it lacks. Zacheus: Jesus sat and ate dinner with him. After listening and ministering, that is when Zacheus declared that he would give back everything he cheated. Because nobody would sit either a tax collector. The woman at the well: “come, and I will show you a man who told me everything I had ever done”, all because Jesus sat and talked with a Samaritan woman. The woman with the issue of blood: Jesus healed her by mere touch, because he was so capable of feeling the needs of those around him as the Holy Spirit led him. The Samaritan woman who said “even the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall from the master’s table”: Jesus healed her daughter because he listened to her need. Every single example of Jesus ministering to others begins with him listening first, then ministering. Do you think yourself better than Jesus, capable of ministering without listening?
He mentioned the Book of Mormon ...now that I am out of the church I am convinced I could read it and find many errors (I don't think I can just yet -- to traumatic.) Brainwashing plays such an interesting role here. There's a few factors I think that stopped me from seeing errors. First, we were encouraged to read it yearly (before I left, twice a year!!) It is long and it is also really boring in parts, so at times you really had to rush through. You didn't want to be "that person" who wasn't up to the challenge. You were also promised that reading it would be special and make you more spiritual. You were promised amazing blessings from God. For me, I would keep this an mind and approach the read from a very emotional standpoint. It was an honour to read it at the time, and my belief in blessings meant that I would sometimes experience euphoria. Then...there's the classic Mormon adage of "doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith" ...and of being wary of anti Mormon literature and negative thinking toward to church, because God is listening to your thoughts. Its times that I delve into it like this that I just want to scream "yes, it is a fucking cult!!" Much love to you and Taylor at this time xx
"We sit outside and argue all night long About a God we've never seen But never fails to side with me" Primitive Radio Gods - Standing outside a broken phone booth
Hi Drew! Wanted to thank your constant approaching each engagement with positive intent, and compassion. As someone deconstructing, I find it easy to turn into someone fueled by anger at who I was and what I've done: you always help me reframe this idea.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I’d rather go to hell tbh. Not because it’d be nice but the God of the Bible is in my opinion a violent narcissist. Worshipping him forever to save my own hide with the current worldview I hold would be cowardice. It would be immoral for me to worship that God.
Makes me think more about some of the christian phrases you hear: "I know because the holy spirit told me so". And conveniently it's almost always in accordance with the beliefs they held prior to that.
I don't know that it is always in accord with their past beliefs. I think it is in accord with what they want to believe in the present. Cults have ways of getting people to believe things that they wouldn't have accepted before the mind-control and brainwashing elements were worked against them.
Love the exploration here, and Dr. Ehrman is a clearly knowledgeable and I think it's fantastic that you brought him in on this. I feel like not enough people look at the bible as a human text, and exploring these biases (particularly when it comes to the translations) really hammers that point in. Thanks for everything, Drew. Never stop doing this.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 why do y'all always try to proselytize with threats? Every time one of y'all comes out of the woodwork it's the threat of damnation that you think is gonna convince me that your sky daddy is the right one for me. Nah man, I'm done living in fear. Find something else to do with your life. There's a chance that you only get this one and if you really wasted it all doing this that'd be a bummer. I'm all for Christianity, I think that it's often a beautiful religion with wonderful traditions, but I really don't wanna be part of your book club. Hail satan.
1:45 That reminds me of my first playthrough of Prey. I got the best possible ending and the game called me a saint, but I didn't agree; Because I didn't do good things because they were the right things to do, I did them because they provided me material advantage, for very little cost.
@ctakitimu You know that most of the people reading your comment suspect it's some kind of reference / joke? That's why they're asking because it looks so out of place. Now that you're refusing to explain it you sound strangely defensive. Maybe the joke is not that funny after all
I used to be a very devout Catholic and I was told that the Bible came to be mostly through churches deciding which books to include based on use in the liturgy, orthodoxy and antiquity (while they stuck with the Greek translation of the Old Testament, that’s why Catholic Bibles have “extra” books like Tobit and 1 and 2 Maccabees), also confirmation bias through apologetics was one of the things that kept me in the Church longer than it should’ve and I would’ve read that passage as referring to the Bible as a whole (other examples include younger me using the Onan story to justify my own repression even though it has nothing to do with self pleasure or how the Adam and Eve story say nothing about Satan and Original Sin if you read it at face value).
I definitely remember making up explanations as to how the creation myth could be true and was analogous to what I thought was the scientific consensus Incidentally I'm really into AU fanfiction
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." Acts 17:11.
I can see all of these biases in the Gaza-Israel war right now: Israel is according to the world the best or worst country in the whole world and the same about the palestinians: every one of them are innocent victims or the worst villains, there is nothing in between. it's like nuance doesn't exist and it's driving me to depression
I don't think that Israel has everything all figured out, they are just vastly superior to the Islamo-fascist death cult that is Hamas(which incidentally would kill me if they got to know me, so eff that). By contrast, when I had dinner with some local Orthodox Jews the other day, I told them I was an atheist and their response was something like 'well... we have lots of those.'
@@PrometheanRisingEven if most people of a country seem bad, does that mean it's impossible to change them into good people? Do you want to torture people or do you want to teach them?
As a Christian pantheist who grew up traditional Baptist, then went atheist, deist, and now who I am today. I've always valued the content you provide. This video is probably one of my favorites because when re-approaching Christianity, cognitive biases are something I've dealt with growing up Baptist. I hold dearly the question that, if God were to act outside of scripture, who are we to put him (or her) back in that box? I study books left out of the Bible and add them to the total message. I include jewish texts and philosophies of virtue in other beliefs. There's a stark reason Jesus wasn't a fan of concrete religion when the message is applicable to anyone, regardless of who you worship (or dont worship). On top of that, platonic philosophy has done wonders for my understanding of virtue when examining the wholness of being.To remain skeptical to claims held as traditional is paramount. Heck, the book of James says that faith without work is dead. I couldn't help but entirely agree with all of the points mentioned in this video, and applaud you to remain open to face the dogmatism that is 'traditional' Christianity. Keep up the awesome work!
The key problem with the parable of the good Samaritan is that it asks of mortal man to do what God himself isn't willing to do... The moral of the parable is if you see someone in need/grave trouble and you have the power to help them, you should do it just like the good Samaritan did. That's all well and good until you consider that God is said to be omnipotent and omnipresent, YET many times, he does nothing to rescue people and children in grave danger... Think about it, if God is everywhere as the Bible says, that means everytime a child is sexually molested God is in that room watching and doing absolutely nothing to help the kid/s with all the power he is said to have. With that context factored in, the message of the good samaritan paints God as hypocritical because if the biblical God himself does nothing to help when he has the power to, why does he expect his followers to do what even he isn't willing to do. How can one lead where they won't go? That's one of the reasons l left religion, l couldn't reconcile following a God whom l felt as though l had more empathy than.
i think it has to do with the free will thing he gave to all. If he didnt act on adam and eve when they were tempted then he'll never do it, but make other humans spread his message of salvation so to get back to the previous state of unsinfulness or bliss, which to me is weirder and more sus. Like, maybe i still dont know enough, but i'm not submitted at birth because free yet i can't be saved unless i essentially do it by my own will?? But to be honest, i always thought being disappointed with him for not acting against evil is more a fault of ours rather than his for ASSUMING that god has to actively fight it or all the things people question him about in films or whatever influences they come from. To the point that i reached in reading the bible, no matter what some dispersed verses might argue contrary, it seems to me the most frequent and persistent dynamics told are that god promises punishment in the afterlife for bad people even if theu succeed here, encourages people to obey him and has them make laws for criminals and even death punishments that they will have to carry on. He doesn't smite them personally or anything, despite some few brief mentions, in the genesis i think, of some minor unknown characters being instakilled by him for being very wicked and blasphemous. Many things are inconsistent and weird when you start inspecting them
I've never understood why Christians villify Judas, Pilate and the Jewish crowd for helping bring about the death of christ. After all I thought that was the whole point of Christianity, that Christ was sacrificed to forgive our sins. They should surely be praised for helping bring about this destiny. Or have I missed something?
I would highly recommend a graphic novel called “Judas” by Jeff Loveless. It tells Judas’ story from his own perspective, and grapples with all these questions in a fascinating way.
Good observation, but that tenet of Christianity comes primarily from Paul as Jesus preaches that God forgives when we repent. Paul had to explain what happened to Jesus after seeing him in Damascus and believed Jesus died like a lamb slain for sins traditionally.
The bible becomes so much more interesting once you accept that it is not literally God's word. It's different authors and versions and interpretations. We know something happened and the goal should be to figure out what that was and not to take any given text at face value and preach it to everyone as if there was certainty.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I choose to be as good as I can not for selfish reasons as to avoid hell and go to heaven but because I realize that suffering, injustice and hypocrisy ought to be avoided.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 does it say "don't watch pornography" in the bible? I personally don't even watch porn anyway bc it's unhealthy. Do you eat pig? Would you kill babies if God told you so? Or do you realize that you're just as blind as the non-christians and solely following a collection of books doesn't suffice when it comes to figuring out what's right and what's wrong?
Paul is coming up a lot in my favorite philosophy YT channels lately... My resulting cognitive bias would be the predeterministic "intuition" that Paul was an Exceptionally Foul person...
…further…Paul very late to the party…recreated it from his point of view . Thus “ Christianity” became a different religion…then of course when it became a Roman State religion, it morphed again. It’s too long of a tortuous winding evolution to follow every reiteration…but the King James Version is a morphed retranslated interpretation that is near and dear to many modern day “Christians”.
@@pohkeee so true, I have family that cheered on that southern pastor that held a book burning a few years back... where he burned christian bibles because they weren't KJV's... so I sent links to historical accounts showing how horrible that man (king james) was, his motivation for making the KJV, and how heavily it's been altered and edited... they were not amused 🤣
Great ending as well, excellent points. We can be biased and need to treat all texts and media, including those from our favourite influences, with skepticism and being mindful of our biases! And also not assume those influences we may dislike or distrust are wrong about everything!
I am often biased towards thinking I might be wrong. Turns out that is my only flaw because the hypothesis of me having made a mistake doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
If you have 12 minutes the first basic part I will go over is about fast/slow thinking. If you want there is a 12 minute video by veritasium called "the science of thinking" that will explain it very well. I think this is knowledge that can really benefit people if they do not know about it. The next part though I dont know any videos for and I dont know if anyone really had the idea I have before. The knowledge of the fast/slow mind is what is relevant from that video and I think a good starting point for the discussion. The video also gives examples of people doing it live, but it most likely will work on you as well so that is how I will show you. I am going to ask you a question, and I am going to predict the answer you will have pop in your mind at first, and predict that will be a wrong answer. This works on most people and you can try if for yourself on others to see too, its an interesting conversation starter. A bat and a ball together cost 1.10, the bat costs 1.00 more then the ball, how much did the ball cost? You might have an answer flash in your head right away with fast inaccurate fast mind but if you check that answer with your slow but more accurate conscious awareness, you can see that answer is wrong but it takes effort to do. The answer of ten cents is not the right answer but most people have that pop in their head because of the fast thinking mind that we rely on most of the time. The fast unconscious mind is taking everything in and trying to make sense of it really fast. Its 11 million bits a second. But sometimes it makes mistakes. The slow conscious mind is 40-50 bits and lazy but it can check things and bringing the unconscious mistake to conscious awareness it can correct it. The next thing to understand is about carl jung and the 4 ways the unconscious complex he called shadow deals with reality. The shadow is an unconscious complex that is defined as the repressed and suppressed aspects of the conscious self. there are constructive and destructive types of shadow. Carl jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness lest one project these attributes onto others. The human being deals with the reality of shadow in 4 ways. Denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation. Now I believe what is happening when a question that exposes a conflict in a belief, idea, something that someone said, or even about someone they idolize and the question gets avoided, that is the fast unconscious mind going into denial and the response is often a projection. This also can trigger and emotional response activating the amygdala more and the pre frontal cortex less where rational conscious thought is said to happen and the amygdala starts to get the body to flood itself with chemicals/hormones. Its like the fast mind knows conscious awareness will say its wrong. so it blocks it off to defend itself from admitting its wrong. in cases of denial and because it blocked off the rational mind, the responses are often irrational. Like personal attacks do not address the issue or answer the question. I think we can agree people have a very hard time now days admitting when they are wrong, I am not exempt from this myself I do realize. And we can see how badly questions avoidance effects us if you watch political meetings and watch them avoid questions all day long. Ok, so the first thing to go over is denial as that is the main one I expose with questions. A disowning or refusal to acknowledge something I think is a good definition for it here. There is a really good 2 minute video I use as an example of this. A streamer named vegan gains claiming lobsters have brains after some one said he can eat lobsters because they do not have brains. He googles it and starts to read what it says. When he gets to the part where is says neither insects nor lobsters have brains, he skips it and says they literally are insects then skips over that line and continues to read the rest. Just like in the fast thinking video, his fast mind already read that line and refused to acknowledge it in unconscious denial, and just skipped it. The person then tells him he skipped it and he reads it again and sees the line this time. Still being defensive of his claim and refusing to accept he was wrong, he tried to discredit the source and its the lobster institute of maine. If you would like to see the video for yourself its 2 minutes by destiny clips and the video is called " Destiny Reacts To Vegan Gains Ignoring Search Result That Contradicts Him". Justin turdo avoiding the question of how much his family was paid by the we charity 6 times in a row I think is denial as well. I think jordan peterson not being able to answer his own question of does he believe god exists and asking what do and you mean then saying no one knows what any of those words mean while being seemingly angry is think is another really good example of denial... and projection. And while JP find those words difficult, other people understand them easy. Even he does pretty much any other time they are used. So projection is next up. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings. Many times a mind in denial will use projections for responses. Someone getting mad and telling the other person to not interrupt when they have been doing that a lot themselves would be an example. I have done this myself. The people who tell me I dont understand my own questions and my point is wrong when they do not even know what the point is are all examples as well. I ask them to steel man my position to show then understand my point and they just avoid that question as well clearly showing they do not understand my point. Now we have integration and/or transmutation. Integration is when you bring an unconscious behavior into conscious awareness and accept it. I know that I interrupt people talking sometimes even though I think that is wrong to do. I have a conscious awareness of it, but I have not been able to completely change the behavior.... yet. That is where transmutation comes in. Transmutation is to completely change that unconscious behavior. From being impatient to being patient, of from distrust to trust, hate into understanding and love even. So was this understandable or confusing? if you understand it, do you think its possibly true? Do you have any questions? If you have any tips I am would gladly listen.
i think it would be great if a new version of the Bible was made. one separated into 5 sections, including telegraphs noting when the text you're about to read overlaps multiple sections. Old Testament, New Testament, (Known) Genuine Texts, (Known) Forgeries, and Apocrypha. the NRSVUE comes close to this, it has 3/5. OT, NT, & A. but considering it's a religious translation, meant for theological purposes: it sadly does not distinguish. perhaps the titles of the texts from various sections could be color coded. OT = Blue, NT = Green, GT = Golden Yellow, F = Red, A = Purple. if a text overlaps, a squiggly underline in the color of the overlapping section would be used. so for the Gospel of Thecla, the color of the title would be Purple, but it would have a Golden Yellow underline. you could also do things like add Asterisks to denote when a text is doctrinal, when it is canonical, when it is contested, etc. the body text would use ESV, NIV, & NRSVUE as the basis. you'd probably want to host such a resource on a website akin to biblegateway.com (great resource worth checking out for those who haven't.) that way you could add notes, hyperlinks, portal links, etc.
It's worth mentioning that, these days, there are also very strong outgroup bias tendencies amongst many supposedly progressive people on the left towards anyone who expresses doubts or criticism towards their belief system.
The only thing that irks me with your channel and others like it is that the list is always “Christian, Jewish, Muslim, pagan” when there are many other worldviews that don’t have anything to do with the ones listed. Other than that, this was a good video. Good job 👌
This is a bit late (6 days late to be exact), but thank you for this video. This kinda validates my feelings about the bible and why I gravitate to certiant stories over others within it in, but also why I feel like exploring what I feel are either counterdictory or even stiffling for me is valid in understanding why I feel the way I do. I may have left being Catholic, but I do enjoy the stories still and live by the messages of stories like the good Samaritan (probably the one that stuck with me the most honestly). I do the same thing with Asopes fables as well as Fairy tales. In a way some of them are reflective of the culture of the time while others talk about the teachings of how to treat others. And I'm glad that you brought on someone who can explain in deeper details on how I felt on some of them because there were things I felt uncomfortable, as someone who was born a woman, but feels more Agender Fem-fluid. And it took me to accept that I haven't fully taken it out of my life, just morphed it into something that I can process things and accept aspects of myself.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I don't need your condesending bullshit trying to convert me. Please leave me alone as I wasn't talking to you. I have you muted so don't bother commenting back to this. Good day and good bye.
Belief is not truth. If it were, then all opinions must be treated equally and without need for reconfirmation. They would have the same value as known fact.
The number of active ghost hunters, ufologists, psychic readers and professional quacks says much about our susceptibly to communal reinforcement as social beings than those things are real. In studying certain social behaviours, such as empathy and imitation, mirror neurons may provide a mechanistic explanation for this paranormal groupthink.
Read Niel Gaiman's books He has a unique take on how belief functions in all of his books. American Gods is the prime example but belief functions in the same way in different books, hell, even in the sandman graphic novels too
My cognitive bias of Drew being adorable with the dog friend immediately makes me clicking the like button, and rewinding to see him being wholesome again.
The Eagles lost to the Cowboys because they didn’t have the desire to win. Or maybe the Cowboys defense prevailed in reading the Eagles’ play selection, but that would require me to understand football and pay attention. Attribution bias gets me off the hook here.
I heard a scholar once say that "God Breathed" in reference to all Scripture being so meant that Scripture was life giving, not inerrant. I'd be interested in hearing Bart's take on this
"give into that our brains are basically meet computers that use less power than a light bulb and run off chicken nuggets". Dude you are a word smith of the hughest caliber. I love it. This was an awesome line. 😂👍
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So holy that in order to "forgive" he had to embody himself, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, in order to appease himself? Hmm. Or, I know, maybe it's all the murder, rape, and child slaughter, along with the slavery he orders in the Bible that makes him sinless? Yeah. Cram your nonsense man. You only god is government. "Christianity" is just a code word for state worship. Keep it pushin'.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Actually I'm gonna use all my faith points on myself rn, spending it all on Jesus is like gambling when you have a tight budget, nah sorry dude
A good idea. Now ask christian and jewish Biblical scholars - those who are actual experts, not propagandists without any training - and you'll learn that Ehrman doesn't say anything controversial. He represents scholarly consensus.
Love listening to Dr Ehrman's ideas. Got to study under one of his students, Dr Norman. Her NT course using your textbook was super important in starting my deconstruction.
While you're very unique in what you do and who you are, you've got a good fusion of Cosmic Skeptic and Paulogia going on in the mix which I love about you.
Paul uses such a large amount of motivated reasoning to try and explain why not everyone believes in his god. I believe that part of Romans serves as evidence that the tradition of "huffing copium" dates back to the first century
It wasn't until I left my catholic upbringing that I could recognize the contradictions in God's Holy Word. A contradiction consists of two opposing ideas which are self canceling.
I certainly have out-group bias against conservative science-deniers, attributing poor motives to them. But they reinforce my negative opinions of them at every turn.
I mean yeah but you need to realize if you were raised in there environment with their specific social pressures. The only reason you believe as you do now is because you were exposed to thinking that brought you to this point. There was some teacher, UA-cam video, book that you stumbled upon with no previous knowledge that moved your thinking this way and even gave you the self reflection to arrive there. That’s why I think you should be kind even to the people who think climate change is fake.
This is a PERFECT example of the buttload of contradictions in the bible. and If I were to overlook all the contradictions? that would be a contradiction in itself.
It's sort of funny that the Good Samaritan gets regarded as this great moral teaching when it contains a slander against the contemporary Jews from the time that the story was manufactured.
Would you consider making a video on the origins of how the bible was made? I really appreciate the way you reference sources and don't see that in other videos on the topic.
Great discussion especially around bias and the reality of our brain. My favorite analysis of the brain is that it is this remarkable carbon based parallel processor capable of amazing outputs but unfortunately and fortunately at the same time it resides in a concoction of turbo charging hormones that allow it to become frighteningly unstable at times.
my dude, you must learn to have more faith in your cognition's defining, characteristic features... OF BIAS. do not doubt for a moment that when push comes to shove, no element of your perception or deliberative/procedural task they will find a way,
I cannot believe I have only just learned of Thecla this year. If I'd learned about her when I was searching, I might have become a devout Christian. Instead I got 'women must always be in subjugation to men' and couldn't circle that square so I abandoned the whole religion.
@@marknieuweboer8099 nah, I found a belief system I jived with without having to question every. single. belief. Just half of them instead of all of them.
@@FoursWithin fortunately the faith I chose to follow encourages that. There are even scriptures that say 'if you think certain things are ridiculous for reasons, don't follow them, use your critical thinking skills.' And yet people STILL insist on being super dogmatic and taking everything in our thousands of scriptures as inerrant and unquestionable.
Hey, so i recently discovered your channel, and I'm curious. are there and religious creators that you respect that offer a civilized and thought out opposing perspective to your own? I'm an avid atheist, but I do try and keep myself from being surrounded by only one viewpoint. I really respect your channel for being very patient and logical and would be curious if there are any creators that make similarly rational arguments
I have attribution bias. I look at business people and politicians who actively promote the use of fossil fuels and believe they are acting wickedly just to increase their wealth or to stir up culture wars for political advantage.
One way to avoid attribution bias is to acknowledge that humans rarely are singularly motivated. We have a whole list of beliefs that cause us to emotionally commit to a worldview. So likely greed or pragmatism is one of the motivations involved in your example but not exclusively. There likely a whole myriad of reasons people do destructive things. I would also argue that treating the opposing group as comic book level villains with shallow motivations, does nothing to move them towards the right side of history.
Hey Drew, I've noticed that between you, Paul (Paulogia) and some others in this youtube sphere it has been particularly common that you advertise the paid servies of your guests (particular Ehrman's courses) and indeed receive commissions from this. This is not too different from youtubes profit motive, you are transparent about all of the arrangement, and I am supportive of the work all of you are doing, however I think it is important to pause and consider the systemic factors this kind of precident and action creates. The development if a "Athiestic Biblical criticism Industrial Complex" further centres profit, and creates a hedgemonic set of views within the community. While I believe that at this point everyone involved in this is honest, accepting of diversity of views, and would centre humans above profit, that is not what the systemic pressures of this kind of arrangement. Like seeing a democracy turn into a benevolent dictatoeiship, my concern is for what this kind results this of centralised structure with greater vulnerability to the profit motive will incentivise. It is naive to think that good people can stave off the harms of the profit motive and centralised power. This is not a condemnation, just my sincire thoughts that it might be good to reflect on whether anh arrangements can be adjusted to keep people's integrity and production fully Independent and as unconstrained from profit and dogma as possible.
Attribution bias is typical for all authors from Antiquity. It would have been very surprising if Paulus of Tarsus weren't. Ehrman doesn't mention that th Roman authorities widened the rift between rabbinical judaism (the successors of the farisees) and early christianity (the only jewish sects that survived the Destruction of the Temple) with the law called Fiscus Judaicus.
Ironically, the literalism of Fundamentalists owes more to Enlightenment era philosophy- increasingly discredited by evidence in the very fields of science whence it originated - than to the worldview that appears to have been normative among the ancient composers of scripture. My understanding is that the very structure of Semitic languages, whether Hebrew or Aramaic (or Arabic, in the context of the Quran) works against neat compartments, naturally inclining to a poetic density of meanings.
Among Christians, there was also miscommunication due to different idioms in the Greek East and the Latin West. The latter in turn have been transformed by shifts in meaning in more recent languages, as the original referents were widely forgotten.
Inspired 1) To be filled with an urge to do something. 2) To breath in. What were the Paul inspired writers breathing in that they wrote in Paul's name😅 All Xians following false books from Paul are being inspired not by Jesus, but by Paul 🤔💭 So much for the Christian Bible being the inspired word of God😊
And it’s funny how programs on tv or UA-cam or social media still say “Christian’s history” Lmao!!! Christianity has no history. The only history they have is, they have a bloody and brutal past using a Jewish religion for colonialism, war, and genocide.
Christians still love to use the Dead Sea scroll and other book when the Dead Sea scroll and other book has nothing to do with the gentiles Christians today and before.
Great video. Why does it feel like to me that what Paul believed wasn't 💯 in line with what Jesus preached. The more i learn about Paul the more questions i have. Idk why he feels shady to me. And him traveling around the area writing to everyone at the same time the Jewish rebellions were brewing? Coincidence 🤔
So often I come across Christians as well as Atheists that say basically the same thing: "If you don't accept the Bible to be God's word, how can you be Christian?" Well, it's like having a tour guide to, say, Rome, and finding out it's riddled with errors. The logical conclusion would NOT be that if the book is flawed, there is no Rome to begin with. Great video as usual!
5:00 "Entirely blaming a person's supposedly poor character for their actions, instead of considering other factors..." I have to take issue here. The reality is that the concept of "character" as delivered, carries forward the implicit conceptualization of there being a caused self and then a separate self, free from causation. GMS may or may not agree with this. Either way, it's ultimately incapable of being supported by simple logic. There is nothing BUT "other factors." There is nothing but a caused self. The freedom from causation that we sense comes because our consciousness cannot hope to get in front of the percolation of itself into existence. We introspect, but we do so with powers of introspection that themselves have causes. We veto desires come from within, but when we behave in this seeming free way we miss that the moral sentiments we hold (that we are proud of, for that we vetoed some base desire coming upon us), themselves constitute content, and content must have a cause (especially since pride is about comparison, and if there is divergence in quality between two people's core, uncaused, selves, then we must ask from whence came the divergence, if not by external cause, and, if from within, how have we not committed ourselves to an infinite regression task for the explaining) When we make that momentous decision to read a self-help book, or to commit to a new habit, we believe this is an example of free making of the self - surely, where "character," as separate from the excusable and/or pride-disqualifying part of the self, can be said to reside. But we do these things at the behest of prior causes that put us there. While the human of pre-history had at one time no concept of causation for human psychology, belief and behavior, they also did not have a concept of what became causation's foil, which is free will. Rather, as concepts of good and evil arose from preferable and fearsome, they likely understood human behavior as arising from the dictates of the spirit world, and as such were either designed statically (inherency), or were "captured" and warred over by said spirits/gods, for possession, without free decision being an element on the part of the possessed (which still allows for decisions coming from the inherent quality of the person). This, oddly enough, is a vision which lays closer to the truth than what came on the scene within religion later (free will), and that still infects the minds of theists and many atheists alike, as does the notion of transcendent moral truth, which adds both danger and confusion to our political discourse, coming from both sides of the binary.
@@Rory-co4vm Er... non-respecter, unless the bicameral referenced is that of the multitude of often incompatible desires, as opposed to the "bi" of the caused and uncaused self (not an idea respected in my tome). In the former case it would be polycameral, I guess, unless I've completely missed your question.
@@mh4zd no there’s a book called the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind that makes an argument that the reason you read that characters were possessed by gods or influenced by gods was essentially very similar to how you described it. Sorry fuzzy and need to read it again, I just wondered if you had read it and if it had influenced you
@@Rory-co4vm Ohhhh ya! I recall hearing a summary of this, and being very intrigued, but then thinking I differ. My theory is that the internal experience of free will was much the same in prehistory as now (since the mechanics of consciousness it seems could not have changed) and what differed is several things, such as the worth of life as formed by its duration and the great amount of early death, leading to a role for empathy that did not so compel us to formulate theories of justness, which in essence made the determination, elsewise emplaced, that evil was a matter of inherency and/or spirit possession, such that loved ones caught by society under its determination were, albeit with some greif, let go to what the powers of the group would have done to said loved one. Individuals who did not feel themselves to be possessed, or inherently partisans of malevolence, typically died with that opinion, or were exiled, and had to get on with the business of survival, as opposed to writing Greek philosopher-like dissertations of skepticism (no writing, for one thing, but the clock was ticking). Later, as first gods replaced the spirits (a largely ex post facto semantic shift), and then national gods rose to the fore, and then embarrassment of that mode, alongside a continued need for explaining the universe, led to monotheism (very close to the common era), and then this god being deemed just and loving, walla, we needed free will to explain human action (the final god, being the creator of everything and all the rules by which it interacts, could not simply allow demons that possess people beyond the doings of their will, and said will could not be lacking by way of the god's doing). It's a horribly flawed theory, since, at ground, the determination was always going to be one of goodness or evilness, and thereby we were still left with inherency, which defies freedom. In short, free will existed then as the internal experience, but it had not yet been formulated into a religiously and morally necessary doctrine, which today infects us deeply. The pre-monotheistic model was oddly closer to the truth since it openly accepted inherency, and while causal personality is not static, it can be said to be, from moment to moment, nigh but the net of causes, and inherent in that sense. Whereas freedom from causation makes no sense, as such a freedom results in a catatonic state. But I need to go back to that bicameral work because I may be misrepresenting it.
@@mh4zd dude thank you so much. To be honest I’m drunk and trying to hit on a woman I used to work with. Anyways have a good ass time brother. I’ll read this seriously in the mornint
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I have a rule, that when information gets pushed by the algorithm in very weird and specific moments it's fundamentally wrong from the get go a false truth to mislead.
❤ Jesus power. ❤ warning it is intense ❤
I think it's neat the Bible is inconsistent. It means that using it as an argument for something is difficult when other verses might say the opposite of it.
I agree the bible is confusing by itself. It cannot be used as basis for truth.
@@pizzatime9173 Equally irrational as believing everything the algorithm pushes
My favorite form this takes is when you ask a Christian what mechanism they used to call upon to KNOW that their Bible is true. And they say something along the lines of: “You just need to read the scriptures, accept Jesus into your heart and you will KNOW it’s true”. Then someone does all of that and has ZERO change happen and the Christian retorts that, the reason it didn’t happen is because that person did something wrong. They didn’t read the scriptures thoroughly enough. They didn’t pray hard enough. They didn’t REALLY accept Jesus into their heart. Because they have started with the answer being unequivocally, correct, from the start. So, there is no possible way whatsoever that the premise ITSELF can be wrong. It’s YOU who did something wrong because I did all of that and got the answer I was told I was going to find. Cognitive dissonance in a nutshell.
That's called being illiterate and lacking intellect. True Christian do not claim these "lukewarm" Christians as our own
Absolutely! What you're alluding to is an unfalsifiable proposition. If the premises can never be examined and falsified, then the conclusion is as moot as ever. And also you can't start with your conclusion as a premise before the test of the evidence and logic for the conclusion. That's circular reasoning (begging the question). When will they ever learn?
It's simply victim blaiming. Not surprised about that after reading all the horror morals described in the bible. God is all love until you don't love him back. Just like an abusive boyfriend.
Listen man, you're your own man. You're the one that is suppose to seek God. You! Are you? Are you real enough to go to him who is here and now in prayer and ask for some sign so you can believe? It is al you need to do but remember God is omnipotent, he knows you like a book. He knows what you've done and all those things that you believe yoy can do that is against his commandments. You may be egotistical, arrogant and heady, haughty and high minded, you got to be humble and lowly of heart, meek and full of humility to approach God. You must be sincere, honest and true with him. And he knows your nakedness, what you're all about. He knows your intents and motivations, know you end from the beginning. Is there even hope for you after the upbringing that you had? You must return to your childhood and start from scratch because 9 out of 10 you were not of a GODLY household. That's two X marks against you. Jesus said to be born again. Unless you become as one of these little ones you shall not enter the kingdom of heaven. Seek God like a child. Unlearn falsehood and lie. Get away from unbelievers. We followers of Jesus are in a war! Show INTEREST in God. Be enthusiastic and fascinated by him. Give thanks where thanks is due, hey you were given an existence, how precious and valuable is that especially when we are actually souls that live forever? Wow! Be in tears when you approach God. You can NEVER repay him for an existence. God is that BIG! Start your own story, your own book of the Bible. We are all books good or bad so plant your seed in good soil. Your greatest weapon is to RESIST the devil, always remember that. I died and rose again. I was just a child. My mother read to me Bible stories from a big blue book. One day I got really cold and nothing would warm me up. I died covered in blankets. JESUS knocked at the door. I got out of bed and opened it and there he was. I wanted to go tell my ma because she had been praying for me and so I ran back to my bedroom and there was a body in my bed. I went over to it to get a look at the face and that's when against my will I was forced back into the body. I just simply laid down on top of it and I immediately woke up back in this world. When I was 20 years old I went seeking God. I would acknowledge him. This is how it works, my friend. I lived in a dormitory and one day I had a thought, maybe I should live for God now. And then came a whole bunch of thoughts against it. (It's how the devil works). Thoughts like, no you're not ready yet. I have all these friends. So on and so forth. So I decided not to give it another thought. The next day something unprecedented happened. There was a knock at my door and when I opened it I saw two men standing there in suit and tie hold a Bibke in their hands. They wanted to cone in and talk to me about Jesus. You are to acknowledge the LORD in all your ways and he shall make your path straight. I went with it and God blew me away when I gave my life to him. I haven't even begun to tell you what God has done in my life, it's phenomenal! Now you start your journey and see where he takes you.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them...
Ex-fundie here, trying to get through to my parents about me being a trans girl. Your videos have been crucial, and I thank you so much ❤
I wish you best of luck!!!
Hi! I am an autistic recovering Roman Catholic with a neuro-diverse trans son, and am doing my best to navigate the situation without completely alienating my very religious extended family, and this channel has been a massive help for me as well. You are not alone!
Good luck with that.
Remember you can set boundaries in your relationships if you need to.
And I recommend "sex and sensibility" by forrest valkai. He really breaks the science down in an efficient way. It could help you explain things to them.
@@vanadyan1674 sounds like you are walking on eggshells around your extended family. I hope for you that you will fully embrace yourself until you realize your mind, beliefs, spiritual, mental and emotional journey is more improtant than tip-toeing around them to keep them calm. We all need to come to learn that their feelings, beliefs and thoughts are their problems, not ours. Believe in yourself, take courage and own your life.
You naturally this way? or influenced? lot of folks at the mercy of western stupidity with little understanding of anything getting their heads all filled with shiet deciding to be trans. Trans in my country is so fking rare, that i dont think ive ever seen it. Be sure what your doing is of your own decision, and coming here to find ways or reasons to justify it to yourself or others, isnt for nailing a down a foundation you otherwise didnt build yourself.
This is (partly) why I’m a progressive Christian who sees Scripture as a library of different perspectives. I don’t need to defend it on the grounds that it is consistent and perfect. It’s not, and that doesn’t undermine my faith.
Makes sense!
@@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic Actually it's what enables my faith. I became Christian at 18 and was baptized at 20, which would have been impossible had an Episcopal priest not described the Bible this way and given me books with liberal titles like "So You Think You're Not Religious" by James Adams. To demand that people leave their brains at the door is a bad look.
That was my coping mechanism for a long time ❤
@@beinghimself Not really a coping mechanism for me, as I didn't gradually become less evangelical; I was always progressive. I'm now a Christian atheist, along the lines of John Caputo (though rooted in Kierkegaard).
@@SAK1855That's nice. I rather see the bible as a (sometimes innacurrate) window into anchient times. A piece of history that should be preserved, but not tried to bring to reality
I love how excited Dr. Ehrman looks at 11:40. You can tell he really loves his job and is excited to share his research with people! As a teacher, I've totally felt that before, and it's wonderful to see that in someone else.
Dr. Erhman is a refreshing Biblical teacher.
So true! 😂
It would be weird to dedicate one’s life to this topic but not get excited when talking about it. My history teacher at uni was the same way ❤
I'm Autistic and I always joke that my special interest is other people's special interests. I LOVE watching people talk about the things they are passionate about and educated in, including really niche things.
He's certainly inspiring! Getting to hear more and more from him through Drew and Paulogia and then following his own channel is making me consider going into new testament studies!
"They felt ganged up on"
The persecution complex does seem like the most consistent Christian core tenet.
I am treated as evil by people who claim that they are being oppressed because they are not allowed to force me to practice what they do.
- D. Dale Gulledge
It is the position of some theists that their right to freedom OF religion is abridged when they are not allowed to violate the rationalists’ right to freedom FROM religion.
- James T. Green
Gotta be as Christlike as possible 😂😂😂😂
@@cnault3244 those guys need oscars
I remember struggling with the cognitive dissonance between the fact that the truth about the bible is so clear and obvious, and that most of the people I preached "the truth" to didn't agree with me and yet they seemed to be perfectly nice and reasonable. Even as a devout Christian, it was hard for me to reconcile that one.
Religion owning morality is a really toxic and troublesome idea. Preaching it reinforces itself, in a way, because you can make up countless reasons that a non believer is evil exactly because he is denying and by extension attacking your truth. In many cases, that point alone makes meaningful arguments impossible
I we all do, it helps whenever I feel anger towards them, it’s like, I figured out it was bull why can’t you? But knowing the mental block is very real I can forgive.
@@kirtil5177Yeah, it has a few toxic traits and it's self-replicating because what it does is disallow the person to hear out any other person
Reconciling that was a huge source of brain pain for me. Also further on that is "these kind people are going to burn for eternity because they deny my totally-obvious-god" and that never sat well with me. Eternal punishment for someone who just doesn't or can't understand the "evidence" for god so they now deserve ETERNAL punishment with zero ability to reconcile.
@@kirtil5177 Christians believe everyone is evil except Jesus. We all sin.
there's a koan that's similar to the Parable of the Good Samaritan, but about dogmatism: two monks were traveling together. they came to a river flooding its banks that they needed to ford. a woman was there, and asked for their help. without question, one monk lifted her and carried her across the river, then put her down on the other side, and the two monks continued on. some miles later, the other monk turned to him, "you know it's against the rules to touch a woman, what were you doing?"
the monk shrugged, "I put her down back by the river, but you've been carrying her this entire time."
Can you explain it to me? I don't get it.
@@exaucemayunga22 koans are open to interpretation, but my answer is that it's more important to help people than to follow rules. monastic rules are supposed to help monks renounce attachments, but the monk who's angry about breaking the rule is attached to the rule and the idea of breaking it, while the monk who acted did what was right without attachment to the act.
Got em
I'm a 41 year old who was raised/forced into Evangelical Christianity. As I grew older I was a Christian by my own choice and my studies of the Bible convinced me that it was not true. I still find value in the Bible but only as suggestions (like stop signs in parking lots). I have thoroughly enjoyed watching your videos and hope to see many more.
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)...
I'm 41 as well. Never forced, but Christian by choice as a teen/young adult. I too found out the Bible is ridiculous by reading it carefully. Just thought some common things deserved a shout out. ❤
@@MeganVictoriaKearnshow is it ridiculous?
How did reading the Bible prove it wasn’t true?
I'm a progressive minister in the U.S. (and progressive bible reader, with some videos of examples of what that can look like), and I really appreciate your capacity to speak honestly about the bible, in a nuanced way, recognizing the bible's own diversity and complexity, without denigrating it or denigrating those who seek social and spiritual guidance from it. While it definitely is filled with bias and all kinds of darker aspects of humanity, there are ways to receive it holistically (especially with focusing on Jesus' teaching) that promote progressive values and vision for human and ecological healing and wholeness. Even Paul's theology leads him to make incredibly progressive claims for 1st century Rome. Like Galatians 3:28 where he levels hierarchy based on the absolute universality of God's love. Anyway, great video. Thanks again for the respectful delivery! Peace
Thank you so much!
@@0kwhat I suppose so… but so was Jesus
@@0kwhatpot calling the kettle black right here.
@@0kwhat Well, I'm not "picking and choosing" what to believe. Everyone has to interpret everything (there is no interpretation-free understanding of anything). So in Matthew 12:1-8 when Jesus essentially admits he's breaking the law (the bible) and that he's right in doing so, was he just picking and choosing? He had a particular way of interpreting the mandates of the law. Your way of reading scripture, I believe--and argue for in my video "The Bible and Ethics"--is actually contrary to the way the bible tells us we should read it. Moreover - the religious leaders of Jesus' day literally killed him because they thought he was a heretic (and because he was pointing out their abusive power relations with poeple...). It's not for nothing that Paul said "the letter kills but the spirit gives life."
@@theholyshiftshow hey mate. People like you helped me get out of Mormonism, so I really appreciate what you do. While I am now agnostic and nor interested in attending any church, I genuinely respect your work. After I left, I was in a community choir, being held at a local Anglican church. The rev was way more interested in community engagement and we had some great chats about how we both left religions that were not progressive and loving to forge our own paths. His led one way, mine led another...but I see the good he does in his local community. I do not choose to lump all church leaders in for this reason. Some are really trying to give people a good life with dignity and hope, regardless of whether they actually show up to services or give the church money. Good on you. X
Bias is like optical illusions. It shows how many short cuts our brain takes in order to process effiently in real time. Seeing and understanding biases makes you way smarter, not a snowflake. But also, being biased is absolutely normal, and to some degree quite useful.
Bias being an optical illusion, interesting.
You could say that optical illusions *are* biases; the brain prefers to interpret confusing or noisy visual input in specific ways that make sense to it.
@@nio804 I would prefer not.
Optical illusions are almost all very useful (for example shadow resilience etc), biases have become a huge problem due to the scale of society (while opt. ils haven't).
But I still find the comparison very useful as it makes really evil sounding topics like racism, sexism etc far more understandable and thus more combatible (instead of being in the realm of "evil people", or "snowflakes crying again")
Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)..
@@Abstract.616Why? Why Godless alone trash people want see the existence of God when it is clear that if they and all the things they see around (earth, stars, planets and so on) if they are creation something must created them. For real no respect for those godless blind trash people. God is what they do not know have and do not know in their miserable alone trash life. But God will take care about them as well, once death as anyone alse. Let's hope we will have better generation that those godless alone trash one.... We really do not need this empty and worthless cult called atheism and those modern godless alone idiots who thinks God cares to exist what those poor alone people think about him. No respect for them and their miserable godless alone life. (they are also godless ass kissers, as they run anytime they see a godless alone person... that what happen when you do not have God in your life, you lose your dignity, and you start to be disgusting in that way)... Oh anyway when you stopped to believe in God something died on you but you are so pathetic that you are not willing to admit it (right?). What trashy people without shame they deny their creator, and they will be judge for it.... Liars ad patetich as any Goddeniers. so their worthless empty life without him.... They are even the weakest people, because if they are wrong, they are the ones who will pay for denying God... Won't be in their shoes. No respect for them....
I told you this godless is the worst generation (those people are just empty and worthless as the cult they are in), and when it will be gone with their stupid empty, worthless atheism that does not going anywhere, that do not offer or teach anything, none will complain about it, not even those very weak losers!!!!! ... Do not call them atheist but godless alone souless trash. Let's forget about those worthless empty people and their worthless and empty cult do not even good to clean the dirtiest motel. WHEN YOU WILL BE GONE NONE WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT YOU AND YOUR STUPID CULt CALLED ATHEISM. You are the worst of people, no respect for you:... those are juss godless alone trash people, liers as any Godeniers with less thing sacred in their miserable alone godless life… those weak people are so weak and alone that they wait for an empty videos from an obsessed godless person to kiss his ass, disgustingly (no God, No Dignity) it would not change their life, actually more alone and empty, (they do not even have a real community) empty life they live empty shit they are in like this stupid cult called Atheism! No respect for them. (They are very weak, empty and frustrated people, a life that none will accepted, but those godless alone trash idiots)..
As a Classicist, I learned early about manuscript transmission and scribal errors. My argument was: even if God inspired the first scribe, this isn’t the original manuscript ; there’s no guarantee that the intermediate scribes were inspired.
Same.....mythvision introduced me to that rabbit hole
the thing that is very difficult about cognitive biases is how invisible it is when we experience it. It functions by make you feel that you're right, so catching yourself making mistakes is very cognitively difficult
I love your videos. Unlike some other prominent atheist UA-camrs, I feel like you present things in a way that challenges what I believe as a Christian, without treating me as stupid for being a Christian.
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Why would you love lies? Why would you grant acceptance and appreciation for the lies that aim to lead everyone to hell? Think about this.
Their different perspectives of stuff which is interesting @@wingnutmcspazatron3957
@wingnutmcspazatron3957 there is no hell n of there is then we all goin. I mean unless you believe in eternal saving. It be religious who do most outlandish shit living a lie. None are truly theirselves
“I think what happened
with Christianity to put it in its
very simple terms is that Jesus was
not interested in Doctrine and for
some reason Christianity became obsessed
with Doctrine with what you believe
Jesus was really interested in how you
behave and how you live.”
This made me tear up. My quarrel has never been with Jesus.
i blame paul.
Jesus quoted doctrine all the time (the Old Testament)
100
Paul saying everyone who says they don't believe in God is in denial is weird since he supposedly didn't believe until Jesus showed up to him on the Road to Damascus.
Hi! I am an autistic recovering Roman Catholic with a neuro-diverse trans son, and am doing my best to navigate the situation without completely alienating my very religious extended family, and this channel has been a massive help for me. Thanks so much for approaching this subject in such a non-judgemental way and always (usually) leading with kindness and empathy.
Just remember. Believing in God means being certain about a thing that you cannot possibly know for a fact.
Good luck with traversing your situation! you can absolutely pull through
@@petergaskin1811
Exactly, which bellows how bad an idea it is.
@@petergaskin1811no, wrong. not every thing is either true or false. think of mathematicians, who take a set of axioms and posit them to be true, seeing what follows. religious faith is more similar in that sense to Geometry than to Physics.
Lord have mercy on your child.
My love of this channel grows with every video I watch. I love the unwavering compassion and nuance in your tone, and your willingness to discuss difficult and/or complex relational/religious issues in a frank and honest way.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 as a practicing Christian myself, please explain to me how your comment is in any way relevant to what I said.
Drew’s religious beliefs have nothing to do with my respect for the way he discusses his ideas.
God does not have a monopoly on kindness and gentleness.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 nobody is talking about getting into heaven. You still haven’t managed to explain how your comment relates to mine in any way whatsoever.
I was complementing Generically Modified Skeptic. Nobody asked you to come in here and proselytize.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 my guy, you missed the part where I said “as a practicing Christian”. I believe in the same Christ you claim to believe in. Your pride makes you incapable of doing something as simple as reading a comment and, in so doing, you fail the second of the two greatest commandments: “love your neighbor as yourself.”
You cannot love someone if you’re so self-absorbed that you cannot listen to them. Do you ignore yourself when you care for yourself in your day to day tasks? Do you ignore your body when it is hungry or thirsty, or do you just avoid sleep when your body is telling you it is tired?
Moreover, in every single story we have of Jesus ministering to others, the first thing we see Jesus listening first, then meeting a need, and then ministering.
Zacheus: Jesus saw him climb a tree and went to have dinner with him. After seeing such an act, Zacheus declared that he would pay back the money he cheated from others because Jesus dared to sit and eat with a meager sinner.
The woman at the well: Jesus listened to her story, and then ministered to her need.
The centurion: Jesus declared “I’ve have not seen one in Israel with faith such as this. Go, your servant is healed” because he listened to the centurion say “you don’t need to come to my house to heal my servant, only to declare it so.”
If you can’t even listen, please stop pretending you can minister.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 it seems you missed the part where I said “as a practicing Christian”. If you cannot even do something as simple as read and listen, please stop pretending you can minister.
“Love your neighbor as yourself”. I doubt you walk around all day ignoring your physical, mental, psychological, and spiritual needs, as your body tells you what it lacks.
Zacheus: Jesus sat and ate dinner with him. After listening and ministering, that is when Zacheus declared that he would give back everything he cheated. Because nobody would sit either a tax collector.
The woman at the well: “come, and I will show you a man who told me everything I had ever done”, all because Jesus sat and talked with a Samaritan woman.
The woman with the issue of blood: Jesus healed her by mere touch, because he was so capable of feeling the needs of those around him as the Holy Spirit led him.
The Samaritan woman who said “even the dogs eat of the crumbs that fall from the master’s table”: Jesus healed her daughter because he listened to her need.
Every single example of Jesus ministering to others begins with him listening first, then ministering.
Do you think yourself better than Jesus, capable of ministering without listening?
He mentioned the Book of Mormon ...now that I am out of the church I am convinced I could read it and find many errors (I don't think I can just yet -- to traumatic.)
Brainwashing plays such an interesting role here. There's a few factors I think that stopped me from seeing errors. First, we were encouraged to read it yearly (before I left, twice a year!!) It is long and it is also really boring in parts, so at times you really had to rush through. You didn't want to be "that person" who wasn't up to the challenge. You were also promised that reading it would be special and make you more spiritual. You were promised amazing blessings from God. For me, I would keep this an mind and approach the read from a very emotional standpoint. It was an honour to read it at the time, and my belief in blessings meant that I would sometimes experience euphoria.
Then...there's the classic Mormon adage of "doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith" ...and of being wary of anti Mormon literature and negative thinking toward to church, because God is listening to your thoughts.
Its times that I delve into it like this that I just want to scream "yes, it is a fucking cult!!"
Much love to you and Taylor at this time xx
"We sit outside and argue all night long
About a God we've never seen
But never fails to side with me"
Primitive Radio Gods - Standing outside a broken phone booth
Hi Drew!
Wanted to thank your constant approaching each engagement with positive intent, and compassion.
As someone deconstructing, I find it easy to turn into someone fueled by anger at who I was and what I've done: you always help me reframe this idea.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 lolno
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 men should not pray to monsters.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 do not cite the old magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 no.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I’d rather go to hell tbh. Not because it’d be nice but the God of the Bible is in my opinion a violent narcissist. Worshipping him forever to save my own hide with the current worldview I hold would be cowardice. It would be immoral for me to worship that God.
Makes me think more about some of the christian phrases you hear: "I know because the holy spirit told me so". And conveniently it's almost always in accordance with the beliefs they held prior to that.
I don't know that it is always in accord with their past beliefs. I think it is in accord with what they want to believe in the present. Cults have ways of getting people to believe things that they wouldn't have accepted before the mind-control and brainwashing elements were worked against them.
Yea, this happens all the time in the charismatic movement. It’s honestly scary.
Love the exploration here, and Dr. Ehrman is a clearly knowledgeable and I think it's fantastic that you brought him in on this. I feel like not enough people look at the bible as a human text, and exploring these biases (particularly when it comes to the translations) really hammers that point in.
Thanks for everything, Drew. Never stop doing this.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 why do y'all always try to proselytize with threats? Every time one of y'all comes out of the woodwork it's the threat of damnation that you think is gonna convince me that your sky daddy is the right one for me.
Nah man, I'm done living in fear. Find something else to do with your life. There's a chance that you only get this one and if you really wasted it all doing this that'd be a bummer.
I'm all for Christianity, I think that it's often a beautiful religion with wonderful traditions, but I really don't wanna be part of your book club. Hail satan.
1:45 That reminds me of my first playthrough of Prey. I got the best possible ending and the game called me a saint, but I didn't agree; Because I didn't do good things because they were the right things to do, I did them because they provided me material advantage, for very little cost.
Did you yell at the game like Greta Thunberg? "How dare you!"
@@ctakitimuwhat on earth are you babbling on about?
@@zen_tewmbs If I explain it, it's not funny anymore. It's a throwaway joke. Don't worry about it and move on with your day.
@@zen_tewmbs Conservatives hate Greta because they hate women, its that simple, move on
@ctakitimu
You know that most of the people reading your comment suspect it's some kind of reference / joke? That's why they're asking because it looks so out of place. Now that you're refusing to explain it you sound strangely defensive. Maybe the joke is not that funny after all
Always a great day when GMSkeptic uploads.
I used to be a very devout Catholic and I was told that the Bible came to be mostly through churches deciding which books to include based on use in the liturgy, orthodoxy and antiquity (while they stuck with the Greek translation of the Old Testament, that’s why Catholic Bibles have “extra” books like Tobit and 1 and 2 Maccabees), also confirmation bias through apologetics was one of the things that kept me in the Church longer than it should’ve and I would’ve read that passage as referring to the Bible as a whole (other examples include younger me using the Onan story to justify my own repression even though it has nothing to do with self pleasure or how the Adam and Eve story say nothing about Satan and Original Sin if you read it at face value).
I'm horribly guilty of the fundamental attribution error. I'm also a determinist and constantly catch myself committing the error.
It's quite absurd
Namaste! Hindu here, much respect to your content. Peace!
With a profile pic of the Balrog Demon.
I definitely remember making up explanations as to how the creation myth could be true and was analogous to what I thought was the scientific consensus
Incidentally I'm really into AU fanfiction
"Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." Acts 17:11.
I can see all of these biases in the Gaza-Israel war right now: Israel is according to the world the best or worst country in the whole world and the same about the palestinians: every one of them are innocent victims or the worst villains, there is nothing in between. it's like nuance doesn't exist and it's driving me to depression
I don't think that Israel has everything all figured out, they are just vastly superior to the Islamo-fascist death cult that is Hamas(which incidentally would kill me if they got to know me, so eff that).
By contrast, when I had dinner with some local Orthodox Jews the other day, I told them I was an atheist and their response was something like 'well... we have lots of those.'
@@PrometheanRisingEven if most people of a country seem bad, does that mean it's impossible to change them into good people? Do you want to torture people or do you want to teach them?
@@gdmathguyteach of course. Good point!!
@@PrometheanRising Well luckily for you you are not someone who lives in Gaza so the Jews are not paid to take your house and rape your women
@@gdmathguy The historical record is pretty poor. Nations whose sense of self is based on feeling superior to others tend to stay that way.
As a Christian pantheist who grew up traditional Baptist, then went atheist, deist, and now who I am today. I've always valued the content you provide. This video is probably one of my favorites because when re-approaching Christianity, cognitive biases are something I've dealt with growing up Baptist. I hold dearly the question that, if God were to act outside of scripture, who are we to put him (or her) back in that box? I study books left out of the Bible and add them to the total message. I include jewish texts and philosophies of virtue in other beliefs. There's a stark reason Jesus wasn't a fan of concrete religion when the message is applicable to anyone, regardless of who you worship (or dont worship). On top of that, platonic philosophy has done wonders for my understanding of virtue when examining the wholness of being.To remain skeptical to claims held as traditional is paramount. Heck, the book of James says that faith without work is dead. I couldn't help but entirely agree with all of the points mentioned in this video, and applaud you to remain open to face the dogmatism that is 'traditional' Christianity. Keep up the awesome work!
Christian pantheist?
It works, considering ancient sects of Christianity had beliefs in many gods, each sect varied on the amount they believed in. @@miguelatkinson
The key problem with the parable of the good Samaritan is that it asks of mortal man to do what God himself isn't willing to do... The moral of the parable is if you see someone in need/grave trouble and you have the power to help them, you should do it just like the good Samaritan did. That's all well and good until you consider that God is said to be omnipotent and omnipresent, YET many times, he does nothing to rescue people and children in grave danger... Think about it, if God is everywhere as the Bible says, that means everytime a child is sexually molested God is in that room watching and doing absolutely nothing to help the kid/s with all the power he is said to have.
With that context factored in, the message of the good samaritan paints God as hypocritical because if the biblical God himself does nothing to help when he has the power to, why does he expect his followers to do what even he isn't willing to do. How can one lead where they won't go? That's one of the reasons l left religion, l couldn't reconcile following a God whom l felt as though l had more empathy than.
This is one of many reasons I could no longer follow Christianity.
i think it has to do with the free will thing he gave to all. If he didnt act on adam and eve when they were tempted then he'll never do it, but make other humans spread his message of salvation so to get back to the previous state of unsinfulness or bliss, which to me is weirder and more sus. Like, maybe i still dont know enough, but i'm not submitted at birth because free yet i can't be saved unless i essentially do it by my own will??
But to be honest, i always thought being disappointed with him for not acting against evil is more a fault of ours rather than his for ASSUMING that god has to actively fight it or all the things people question him about in films or whatever influences they come from. To the point that i reached in reading the bible, no matter what some dispersed verses might argue contrary, it seems to me the most frequent and persistent dynamics told are that god promises punishment in the afterlife for bad people even if theu succeed here, encourages people to obey him and has them make laws for criminals and even death punishments that they will have to carry on.
He doesn't smite them personally or anything, despite some few brief mentions, in the genesis i think, of some minor unknown characters being instakilled by him for being very wicked and blasphemous. Many things are inconsistent and weird when you start inspecting them
I've never understood why Christians villify Judas, Pilate and the Jewish crowd for helping bring about the death of christ. After all I thought that was the whole point of Christianity, that Christ was sacrificed to forgive our sins. They should surely be praised for helping bring about this destiny. Or have I missed something?
They NEED their out groups.
Or at least they should be treated as tools of God himself. Not good, not evil, just unable to choose own destiny
I would highly recommend a graphic novel called “Judas” by Jeff Loveless. It tells Judas’ story from his own perspective, and grapples with all these questions in a fascinating way.
Good observation, but that tenet of Christianity comes primarily from Paul as Jesus preaches that God forgives when we repent. Paul had to explain what happened to Jesus after seeing him in Damascus and believed Jesus died like a lamb slain for sins traditionally.
The bible becomes so much more interesting once you accept that it is not literally God's word. It's different authors and versions and interpretations. We know something happened and the goal should be to figure out what that was and not to take any given text at face value and preach it to everyone as if there was certainty.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I choose to be as good as I can not for selfish reasons as to avoid hell and go to heaven but because I realize that suffering, injustice and hypocrisy ought to be avoided.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 does it say "don't watch pornography" in the bible? I personally don't even watch porn anyway bc it's unhealthy. Do you eat pig? Would you kill babies if God told you so? Or do you realize that you're just as blind as the non-christians and solely following a collection of books doesn't suffice when it comes to figuring out what's right and what's wrong?
Paul is coming up a lot in my favorite philosophy YT channels lately... My resulting cognitive bias would be the predeterministic "intuition" that Paul was an Exceptionally Foul person...
…further…Paul very late to the party…recreated it from his point of view . Thus “ Christianity” became a different religion…then of course when it became a Roman State religion, it morphed again. It’s too long of a tortuous winding evolution to follow every reiteration…but the King James Version is a morphed retranslated interpretation that is near and dear to many modern day “Christians”.
@@pohkeeehad to edit it up so god hated all the same people Paul hated
@@pohkeee so true, I have family that cheered on that southern pastor that held a book burning a few years back... where he burned christian bibles because they weren't KJV's... so I sent links to historical accounts showing how horrible that man (king james) was, his motivation for making the KJV, and how heavily it's been altered and edited... they were not amused 🤣
@@lady_draguliana784Greg Locke's a nut! 😂😂
He's also a rabble rouser
Great ending as well, excellent points. We can be biased and need to treat all texts and media, including those from our favourite influences, with skepticism and being mindful of our biases! And also not assume those influences we may dislike or distrust are wrong about everything!
"you've got your own problems"
What I think when my cat starts running around the house at night
😂😂😂
I am often biased towards thinking I might be wrong. Turns out that is my only flaw because the hypothesis of me having made a mistake doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
If you have 12 minutes the first basic part I will go over is about fast/slow thinking. If you want there is a 12 minute video by veritasium called "the science of thinking" that will explain it very well. I think this is knowledge that can really benefit people if they do not know about it. The next part though I dont know any videos for and I dont know if anyone really had the idea I have before.
The knowledge of the fast/slow mind is what is relevant from that video and I think a good starting point for the discussion. The video also gives examples of people doing it live, but it most likely will work on you as well so that is how I will show you. I am going to ask you a question, and I am going to predict the answer you will have pop in your mind at first, and predict that will be a wrong answer. This works on most people and you can try if for yourself on others to see too, its an interesting conversation starter.
A bat and a ball together cost 1.10, the bat costs 1.00 more then the ball, how much did the ball cost?
You might have an answer flash in your head right away with fast inaccurate fast mind but if you check that answer with your slow but more accurate conscious awareness, you can see that answer is wrong but it takes effort to do. The answer of ten cents is not the right answer but most people have that pop in their head because of the fast thinking mind that we rely on most of the time.
The fast unconscious mind is taking everything in and trying to make sense of it really fast. Its 11 million bits a second. But sometimes it makes mistakes. The slow conscious mind is 40-50 bits and lazy but it can check things and bringing the unconscious mistake to conscious awareness it can correct it.
The next thing to understand is about carl jung and the 4 ways the unconscious complex he called shadow deals with reality. The shadow is an unconscious complex that is defined as the repressed and suppressed aspects of the conscious self. there are constructive and destructive types of shadow. Carl jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness lest one project these attributes onto others. The human being deals with the reality of shadow in 4 ways. Denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation.
Now I believe what is happening when a question that exposes a conflict in a belief, idea, something that someone said, or even about someone they idolize and the question gets avoided, that is the fast unconscious mind going into denial and the response is often a projection. This also can trigger and emotional response activating the amygdala more and the pre frontal cortex less where rational conscious thought is said to happen and the amygdala starts to get the body to flood itself with chemicals/hormones.
Its like the fast mind knows conscious awareness will say its wrong. so it blocks it off to defend itself from admitting its wrong. in cases of denial and because it blocked off the rational mind, the responses are often irrational. Like personal attacks do not address the issue or answer the question. I think we can agree people have a very hard time now days admitting when they are wrong, I am not exempt from this myself I do realize. And we can see how badly questions avoidance effects us if you watch political meetings and watch them avoid questions all day long.
Ok, so the first thing to go over is denial as that is the main one I expose with questions. A disowning or refusal to acknowledge something I think is a good definition for it here. There is a really good 2 minute video I use as an example of this. A streamer named vegan gains claiming lobsters have brains after some one said he can eat lobsters because they do not have brains. He googles it and starts to read what it says. When he gets to the part where is says neither insects nor lobsters have brains, he skips it and says they literally are insects then skips over that line and continues to read the rest. Just like in the fast thinking video, his fast mind already read that line and refused to acknowledge it in unconscious denial, and just skipped it.
The person then tells him he skipped it and he reads it again and sees the line this time. Still being defensive of his claim and refusing to accept he was wrong, he tried to discredit the source and its the lobster institute of maine. If you would like to see the video for yourself its 2 minutes by destiny clips and the video is called " Destiny Reacts To Vegan Gains Ignoring Search Result That Contradicts Him". Justin turdo avoiding the question of how much his family was paid by the we charity 6 times in a row I think is denial as well. I think jordan peterson not being able to answer his own question of does he believe god exists and asking what do and you mean then saying no one knows what any of those words mean while being seemingly angry is think is another really good example of denial... and projection. And while JP find those words difficult, other people understand them easy. Even he does pretty much any other time they are used.
So projection is next up. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings. Many times a mind in denial will use projections for responses. Someone getting mad and telling the other person to not interrupt when they have been doing that a lot themselves would be an example. I have done this myself. The people who tell me I dont understand my own questions and my point is wrong when they do not even know what the point is are all examples as well. I ask them to steel man my position to show then understand my point and they just avoid that question as well clearly showing they do not understand my point.
Now we have integration and/or transmutation. Integration is when you bring an unconscious behavior into conscious awareness and accept it. I know that I interrupt people talking sometimes even though I think that is wrong to do. I have a conscious awareness of it, but I have not been able to completely change the behavior.... yet. That is where transmutation comes in. Transmutation is to completely change that unconscious behavior. From being impatient to being patient, of from distrust to trust, hate into understanding and love even.
So was this understandable or confusing?
if you understand it, do you think its possibly true?
Do you have any questions? If you have any tips I am would gladly listen.
Quite a lot of words but makes sense....
Described my mother to a T😂😂
I like your self-awareness
@@Jasonmakesvideo Mine as well LOL
@@sravasaksitam I cant really tell if I am good at it or not, hard to see my own.
i think it would be great if a new version of the Bible was made. one separated into 5 sections, including telegraphs noting when the text you're about to read overlaps multiple sections. Old Testament, New Testament, (Known) Genuine Texts, (Known) Forgeries, and Apocrypha. the NRSVUE comes close to this, it has 3/5. OT, NT, & A. but considering it's a religious translation, meant for theological purposes: it sadly does not distinguish.
perhaps the titles of the texts from various sections could be color coded. OT = Blue, NT = Green, GT = Golden Yellow, F = Red, A = Purple. if a text overlaps, a squiggly underline in the color of the overlapping section would be used. so for the Gospel of Thecla, the color of the title would be Purple, but it would have a Golden Yellow underline.
you could also do things like add Asterisks to denote when a text is doctrinal, when it is canonical, when it is contested, etc. the body text would use ESV, NIV, & NRSVUE as the basis. you'd probably want to host such a resource on a website akin to biblegateway.com (great resource worth checking out for those who haven't.) that way you could add notes, hyperlinks, portal links, etc.
Would be awesome.
@@FoursWithin I KNOW RIGHT??? the fact something like this doesn't exist is kinda shameful.
It's worth mentioning that, these days, there are also very strong outgroup bias tendencies amongst many supposedly progressive people on the left towards anyone who expresses doubts or criticism towards their belief system.
I’m not sure what you think you’re accomplishing, given that this is true about the right, the left, the center, and everybody but the dead.
Not sure if OP is special needs, or just stupid.
The only thing that irks me with your channel and others like it is that the list is always “Christian, Jewish, Muslim, pagan” when there are many other worldviews that don’t have anything to do with the ones listed. Other than that, this was a good video. Good job 👌
Thank you Drew for these very-well made and carefully thought out videos! Cheers from the Czech republic!
This is a bit late (6 days late to be exact), but thank you for this video. This kinda validates my feelings about the bible and why I gravitate to certiant stories over others within it in, but also why I feel like exploring what I feel are either counterdictory or even stiffling for me is valid in understanding why I feel the way I do. I may have left being Catholic, but I do enjoy the stories still and live by the messages of stories like the good Samaritan (probably the one that stuck with me the most honestly). I do the same thing with Asopes fables as well as Fairy tales. In a way some of them are reflective of the culture of the time while others talk about the teachings of how to treat others. And I'm glad that you brought on someone who can explain in deeper details on how I felt on some of them because there were things I felt uncomfortable, as someone who was born a woman, but feels more Agender Fem-fluid. And it took me to accept that I haven't fully taken it out of my life, just morphed it into something that I can process things and accept aspects of myself.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I don't need your condesending bullshit trying to convert me. Please leave me alone as I wasn't talking to you. I have you muted so don't bother commenting back to this. Good day and good bye.
Belief is not truth. If it were, then all opinions must be treated equally and without need for reconfirmation. They would have the same value as known fact.
The number of active ghost hunters, ufologists, psychic readers and professional quacks says much about our susceptibly to communal reinforcement as social beings than those things are real.
In studying certain social behaviours, such as empathy and imitation, mirror neurons may provide a mechanistic explanation for this paranormal groupthink.
Read Niel Gaiman's books
He has a unique take on how belief functions in all of his books.
American Gods is the prime example but belief functions in the same way in different books, hell, even in the sandman graphic novels too
My cognitive bias of Drew being adorable with the dog friend immediately makes me clicking the like button, and rewinding to see him being wholesome again.
Without Lies Christianity Dies
The Eagles lost to the Cowboys because they didn’t have the desire to win. Or maybe the Cowboys defense prevailed in reading the Eagles’ play selection, but that would require me to understand football and pay attention. Attribution bias gets me off the hook here.
The necessity to tell my students about the bad wiring in human brains on a 3 month basis never declines.....
I heard a scholar once say that "God Breathed" in reference to all Scripture being so meant that Scripture was life giving, not inerrant. I'd be interested in hearing Bart's take on this
Life giving? How? Large parts of it bored the life out of me!
Love to see Rabbi Tovia Singer on your channel discussing the antisemitism in the Gospels.
And a Muslim at the same time.
I don't see how that would be relevant to the discussion. @@cipherklosenuf9242
He has spoken with an ex-Muslim on the channel here, Apostate Aladdin. @@cipherklosenuf9242
I love you guys! Just trying to support in this trying time ❤❤
15:49 "If you've got these books that aren't towing the theological line... they can't be written by the apostles."
So it's inapostleable?
Always appreciate the work you and your lovely wife do ❤
"give into that our brains are basically meet computers that use less power than a light bulb and run off chicken nuggets". Dude you are a word smith of the hughest caliber. I love it. This was an awesome line. 😂👍
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 So holy that in order to "forgive" he had to embody himself, so that he could sacrifice himself to himself, in order to appease himself? Hmm. Or, I know, maybe it's all the murder, rape, and child slaughter, along with the slavery he orders in the Bible that makes him sinless? Yeah. Cram your nonsense man. You only god is government. "Christianity" is just a code word for state worship. Keep it pushin'.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Actually I'm gonna use all my faith points on myself rn, spending it all on Jesus is like gambling when you have a tight budget, nah sorry dude
Having Bart Ehrman speak on biases has me questioning his partiality as well.
A good idea. Now ask christian and jewish Biblical scholars - those who are actual experts, not propagandists without any training - and you'll learn that Ehrman doesn't say anything controversial. He represents scholarly consensus.
I just love the brain analogy at the beginning. That gave me a strong laugh lol
Love listening to Dr Ehrman's ideas. Got to study under one of his students, Dr Norman. Her NT course using your textbook was super important in starting my deconstruction.
While you're very unique in what you do and who you are, you've got a good fusion of Cosmic Skeptic and Paulogia going on in the mix which I love about you.
Wow this is an amazing video, your channel has really helped me as a philosophy student, thanks!
"If you are a human, you experience cognitive bias regularly."
Good thing I'm not a silly human XD Can you imagine?
I know right?
as a cat, i am always correct.
Congratulations on reaching 666K subscribers, Drew!
Paul uses such a large amount of motivated reasoning to try and explain why not everyone believes in his god. I believe that part of Romans serves as evidence that the tradition of "huffing copium" dates back to the first century
All of humanity through all of time are united by our use of copium.
Puggles can't help bein' a lil stupid. He is a pug, after all
His emotional intelligence is genius level. That comes at a cost to his ability to tell if a horse is real or not
Yes - I'm a recent Dr Ehrman discoverer- and you two together is awesome. The good Dr does some amazing collaborations, this is gold!
Why did God need a human to write the Bible why could he just not give the Bible fully written to say a follower?
better yet, why not make it indestructible?
@@gdmathguy yea or why not that? You aren't taking away anyone's ""free will""
It wasn't until I left my catholic upbringing that I could recognize the contradictions in God's Holy Word. A contradiction consists of two opposing ideas which are self canceling.
I experience no cognitive bias ever I AM COMPLETELY OBJECTIVE IN ALL TH
I have NO cognitive biases and you can't tell me otherwise!
There. I said it.
"The Bible says so, so it's true, because it's written in the Bible" lies at the core of every argument.
I certainly have out-group bias against conservative science-deniers, attributing poor motives to them. But they reinforce my negative opinions of them at every turn.
Unclean science? A little bias?
I mean yeah but you need to realize if you were raised in there environment with their specific social pressures. The only reason you believe as you do now is because you were exposed to thinking that brought you to this point.
There was some teacher, UA-cam video, book that you stumbled upon with no previous knowledge that moved your thinking this way and even gave you the self reflection to arrive there.
That’s why I think you should be kind even to the people who think climate change is fake.
This is a PERFECT example of the buttload of contradictions in the bible. and If I were to overlook all the contradictions? that would be a contradiction in itself.
It's sort of funny that the Good Samaritan gets regarded as this great moral teaching when it contains a slander against the contemporary Jews from the time that the story was manufactured.
Would you consider making a video on the origins of how the bible was made? I really appreciate the way you reference sources and don't see that in other videos on the topic.
this is fantastic
Deuteronomy 20: 10 and 22: 18 are both biblical laws that are contrary to the supposed all loving god.
I see these cognitive dissonance all the time when we talk about animal experiments, animal abuse, and tossing 1 day old male chick's into a blender.
The Meat Paradox is such a ubiquitous cognitive dissonance that it has its own name.
Great discussion especially around bias and the reality of our brain. My favorite analysis of the brain is that it is this remarkable carbon based parallel processor capable of amazing outputs but unfortunately and fortunately at the same time it resides in a concoction of turbo charging hormones that allow it to become frighteningly unstable at times.
Dr. Ehrman is always amazing
Loved the video
I love this! Super useful!
I'm immune to cognitive biases because my attention span is too short to form them.
I see adhd as a power
That’s how it starts…😂
my dude, you must learn to have more faith in your cognition's defining, characteristic features... OF BIAS. do not doubt for a moment that when push comes to shove, no element of your perception or deliberative/procedural task they will find a way,
@chuckgaydos5387
I cannot believe I have only just learned of Thecla this year. If I'd learned about her when I was searching, I might have become a devout Christian. Instead I got 'women must always be in subjugation to men' and couldn't circle that square so I abandoned the whole religion.
Nobody stops you from going back.
@@marknieuweboer8099 nah, I found a belief system I jived with without having to question every. single. belief. Just half of them instead of all of them.
Question EVERY belief.
To not is to allow the viruses in.
@@FoursWithin fortunately the faith I chose to follow encourages that. There are even scriptures that say 'if you think certain things are ridiculous for reasons, don't follow them, use your critical thinking skills.' And yet people STILL insist on being super dogmatic and taking everything in our thousands of scriptures as inerrant and unquestionable.
I am the most biased. Hope this helps 😊
Hey, so i recently discovered your channel, and I'm curious. are there and religious creators that you respect that offer a civilized and thought out opposing perspective to your own? I'm an avid atheist, but I do try and keep myself from being surrounded by only one viewpoint. I really respect your channel for being very patient and logical and would be curious if there are any creators that make similarly rational arguments
The channel is at 666k subscribers at the time of writing this comment 😂
I have attribution bias. I look at business people and politicians who actively promote the use of fossil fuels and believe they are acting wickedly just to increase their wealth or to stir up culture wars for political advantage.
One way to avoid attribution bias is to acknowledge that humans rarely are singularly motivated. We have a whole list of beliefs that cause us to emotionally commit to a worldview. So likely greed or pragmatism is one of the motivations involved in your example but not exclusively. There likely a whole myriad of reasons people do destructive things. I would also argue that treating the opposing group as comic book level villains with shallow motivations, does nothing to move them towards the right side of history.
Hey Drew, I've noticed that between you, Paul (Paulogia) and some others in this youtube sphere it has been particularly common that you advertise the paid servies of your guests (particular Ehrman's courses) and indeed receive commissions from this. This is not too different from youtubes profit motive, you are transparent about all of the arrangement, and I am supportive of the work all of you are doing, however I think it is important to pause and consider the systemic factors this kind of precident and action creates. The development if a "Athiestic Biblical criticism Industrial Complex" further centres profit, and creates a hedgemonic set of views within the community.
While I believe that at this point everyone involved in this is honest, accepting of diversity of views, and would centre humans above profit, that is not what the systemic pressures of this kind of arrangement. Like seeing a democracy turn into a benevolent dictatoeiship, my concern is for what this kind results this of centralised structure with greater vulnerability to the profit motive will incentivise. It is naive to think that good people can stave off the harms of the profit motive and centralised power.
This is not a condemnation, just my sincire thoughts that it might be good to reflect on whether anh arrangements can be adjusted to keep people's integrity and production fully Independent and as unconstrained from profit and dogma as possible.
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You're the second post on my screen, haha.
@@TheIronDonkey: he can’t help it…his screen perspective caused his bias 🥴🤣
@@pohkeee topical and hilarious
Loved that intro!
Meat computers LOL
With biological glitches in their chips and epidemic viruses in the software 🤣🤖🫣🤪
@@pohkeeeMe love the flex taped type windows defender that sometimes deletes system files on accident
Attribution bias is typical for all authors from Antiquity. It would have been very surprising if Paulus of Tarsus weren't.
Ehrman doesn't mention that th Roman authorities widened the rift between rabbinical judaism (the successors of the farisees) and early christianity (the only jewish sects that survived the Destruction of the Temple) with the law called Fiscus Judaicus.
Cool! Just got done with Paulogia. Can't wait for this
Thank you Drew!!! Great video!
Ironically, the literalism of Fundamentalists owes more to Enlightenment era philosophy- increasingly discredited by evidence in the very fields of science whence it originated - than to the worldview that appears to have been normative among the ancient composers of scripture.
My understanding is that the very structure of Semitic languages, whether Hebrew or Aramaic (or Arabic, in the context of the Quran) works against neat compartments, naturally inclining to a poetic density of meanings.
Among Christians, there was also miscommunication due to different idioms in the Greek East and the Latin West. The latter in turn have been transformed by shifts in meaning in more recent languages, as the original referents were widely forgotten.
Inspired 1) To be filled with an urge to do something. 2) To breath in. What were the Paul inspired writers breathing in that they wrote in Paul's name😅
All Xians following false books from Paul are being inspired not by Jesus, but by Paul 🤔💭
So much for the Christian Bible being the inspired word of God😊
Inspired is an intentionally broad term 😂
@@Jasonmakesvideo
IKR 😀 That's why apologists use it, the broadness and confusing definition alone is enough to keep them paying🤔
And it’s funny how programs on tv or UA-cam or social media still say “Christian’s history” Lmao!!! Christianity has no history. The only history they have is, they have a bloody and brutal past using a Jewish religion for colonialism, war, and genocide.
Christians still love to use the Dead Sea scroll and other book when the Dead Sea scroll and other book has nothing to do with the gentiles Christians today and before.
There's a guy who loves his work!
Great video. Why does it feel like to me that what Paul believed wasn't 💯 in line with what Jesus preached. The more i learn about Paul the more questions i have. Idk why he feels shady to me. And him traveling around the area writing to everyone at the same time the Jewish rebellions were brewing? Coincidence 🤔
I wish you would supply access to a complete text of your intelligent and well thought dissertations.
So often I come across Christians as well as Atheists that say basically the same thing: "If you don't accept the Bible to be God's word, how can you be Christian?" Well, it's like having a tour guide to, say, Rome, and finding out it's riddled with errors. The logical conclusion would NOT be that if the book is flawed, there is no Rome to begin with.
Great video as usual!
5:00 "Entirely blaming a person's supposedly poor character for their actions, instead of considering other factors..." I have to take issue here. The reality is that the concept of "character" as delivered, carries forward the implicit conceptualization of there being a caused self and then a separate self, free from causation. GMS may or may not agree with this. Either way, it's ultimately incapable of being supported by simple logic. There is nothing BUT "other factors." There is nothing but a caused self. The freedom from causation that we sense comes because our consciousness cannot hope to get in front of the percolation of itself into existence. We introspect, but we do so with powers of introspection that themselves have causes. We veto desires come from within, but when we behave in this seeming free way we miss that the moral sentiments we hold (that we are proud of, for that we vetoed some base desire coming upon us), themselves constitute content, and content must have a cause (especially since pride is about comparison, and if there is divergence in quality between two people's core, uncaused, selves, then we must ask from whence came the divergence, if not by external cause, and, if from within, how have we not committed ourselves to an infinite regression task for the explaining) When we make that momentous decision to read a self-help book, or to commit to a new habit, we believe this is an example of free making of the self - surely, where "character," as separate from the excusable and/or pride-disqualifying part of the self, can be said to reside. But we do these things at the behest of prior causes that put us there.
While the human of pre-history had at one time no concept of causation for human psychology, belief and behavior, they also did not have a concept of what became causation's foil, which is free will. Rather, as concepts of good and evil arose from preferable and fearsome, they likely understood human behavior as arising from the dictates of the spirit world, and as such were either designed statically (inherency), or were "captured" and warred over by said spirits/gods, for possession, without free decision being an element on the part of the possessed (which still allows for decisions coming from the inherent quality of the person). This, oddly enough, is a vision which lays closer to the truth than what came on the scene within religion later (free will), and that still infects the minds of theists and many atheists alike, as does the notion of transcendent moral truth, which adds both danger and confusion to our political discourse, coming from both sides of the binary.
Based bicameral mind respecter????
@@Rory-co4vm Er... non-respecter, unless the bicameral referenced is that of the multitude of often incompatible desires, as opposed to the "bi" of the caused and uncaused self (not an idea respected in my tome). In the former case it would be polycameral, I guess, unless I've completely missed your question.
@@mh4zd no there’s a book called the origin of consciousness in the breakdown of the bicameral mind that makes an argument that the reason you read that characters were possessed by gods or influenced by gods was essentially very similar to how you described it.
Sorry fuzzy and need to read it again, I just wondered if you had read it and if it had influenced you
@@Rory-co4vm Ohhhh ya! I recall hearing a summary of this, and being very intrigued, but then thinking I differ. My theory is that the internal experience of free will was much the same in prehistory as now (since the mechanics of consciousness it seems could not have changed) and what differed is several things, such as the worth of life as formed by its duration and the great amount of early death, leading to a role for empathy that did not so compel us to formulate theories of justness, which in essence made the determination, elsewise emplaced, that evil was a matter of inherency and/or spirit possession, such that loved ones caught by society under its determination were, albeit with some greif, let go to what the powers of the group would have done to said loved one. Individuals who did not feel themselves to be possessed, or inherently partisans of malevolence, typically died with that opinion, or were exiled, and had to get on with the business of survival, as opposed to writing Greek philosopher-like dissertations of skepticism (no writing, for one thing, but the clock was ticking).
Later, as first gods replaced the spirits (a largely ex post facto semantic shift), and then national gods rose to the fore, and then embarrassment of that mode, alongside a continued need for explaining the universe, led to monotheism (very close to the common era), and then this god being deemed just and loving, walla, we needed free will to explain human action (the final god, being the creator of everything and all the rules by which it interacts, could not simply allow demons that possess people beyond the doings of their will, and said will could not be lacking by way of the god's doing). It's a horribly flawed theory, since, at ground, the determination was always going to be one of goodness or evilness, and thereby we were still left with inherency, which defies freedom.
In short, free will existed then as the internal experience, but it had not yet been formulated into a religiously and morally necessary doctrine, which today infects us deeply. The pre-monotheistic model was oddly closer to the truth since it openly accepted inherency, and while causal personality is not static, it can be said to be, from moment to moment, nigh but the net of causes, and inherent in that sense. Whereas freedom from causation makes no sense, as such a freedom results in a catatonic state.
But I need to go back to that bicameral work because I may be misrepresenting it.
@@mh4zd dude thank you so much. To be honest I’m drunk and trying to hit on a woman I used to work with. Anyways have a good ass time brother. I’ll read this seriously in the mornint