The Gamo Swarm was excellent with the tight grouping. I fault the shooter for "Not having rezeroed the scope" to accommodate for the high grouping. In the beginning he had a strong preference for "HIS PERSONAL CHOICE!" That rob's the viewer of a fair and honest evaluation!!!! It's not the Magazine that won either!
Didn't zero the scopes first. Didn't use the same weight of ammo. ~12 gr vs ~18 gr. The shooter shooting the Swarm prefers the other airgun. Hmm. Not sure I like that.
@@stevenrobinson6296 that’s because the Terrus is a spring powered plant and is more hold sensitive requiring the artillery hold. The gas pistons are normally a little less hold sensitive
German engineered .177 all the way. .31" group, 33 yards, 998 fps, 18.3 fpe with Superdomes, goodbye pests. One shot one kill. Ground hog, opossum, tree rat, easy. Beeman 10616 with upgraded scope, strap, $190.00. Near silent operation, moderator included, best value I found. No need for a magazine... Pests dont even hear the shots. Easy follow up if ever needed.
I've had my Swarm .22 for around 7 or 8 months now and the only problem I've had with it was the factory scope. It's probably had 4500 pellets ran through it and I can put all ten shots within the size of a dime at 25yds. I've taken raccoons, rabbits, squirrels, doves, sparrows and even a fox with it! Great gun at a great price!
Revo Joe depends on how much you want to spend. I just got a cheap centerpoint 3x9x32 mil-dot reticle and haven't had a single issue with it. Glass isn't the best but it gets the job done.
I really like having iron sights on my rifle, just in case your scope gets broken while in the boonies you can still accurately shoot, that's a big thing in my book
@@scouttrooperhh-1487Gamo Swarm fusion Gen 2, just picked it up and its great.. 10x mag and NICE, and I mean NICE Back up irons with very clear fibros. (fiber optics, Green rear / Red front)
@@scouttrooperhh-1487 Ah yes the problem with airguns is they are relatively inexpensive, and you just want to buy more all the time.. I have the same issue with Real Steel weapons too. :(.. But the Valiant is a nice platform. Did you get it in .177 or .22? The only reason I didn't go with a Magnum Springer, is because I really have no use for it. Most of my small game hunting is done in the woods either rabbit or squirrel, and really the only open field I have is my back yard, which I can usually lure the critter in to between 20 - 30 yards. I don't need to kill a squirrel or rabbit at 100yds lol. But Im also fairly certain my Gamo could if I hold it 2 feet above its head lol. Its still pushing around 8 fpe at 75yds and 6 at 100yds. (With Predator GTO 11.75gr)
Before buying, I researched and bought gamo magnum 22 cal tried different pellets at targets to get a feel for it.open season on iguanas in South Florida they didn't have a chance last year over 165 killed from New born super small ones to the 5 foot and bigger. Love my Magnum😁
Hi from UK, great video guys I'm loving the head to head concept, personally I prefer the walther but was extremely impressed with the gamo it really was a close run, look forward to seeing more atb, Dave
Great video, Gamo has the edge for sure. Superior features make it a better air rifle. Now, I own one and I concur with the results. Gamo 10x is a lot of fun to shoot.
Mile high Skateboards my gamo doesn’t like the artillery hold much either. Its still consistent, but im far more accurate with it just on my rifle bags
Until another air gun company finds a way to compete with 10x shot rotary system they will always have a clear edge on their competition. I have both swarms and they work like a charm
I have the Gamo Swarm .22 and really like it. The 10 shot magazine is great! The points brought out in the video are accurate. Mine does groups under an inch at 25 yards and I plant to test to 50 yards at the range. It is fairly easy to reset. Recently I also purchased a .177 Umarex Octane. WOW! Almost liking it a bit better for its accuracy over the Swarm. Very tight groups, but it is a bit louder. It does auto safe with each reset and the trigger is stiffer. It is heavier and I'm not sure if any to carry it around if hunting. The scope that came with the Umarex is solid and nicer than the kit scope from Gamo. I shoot the Crosman domed and hollow points through both. Overall, both are nice rifles. I like each for different reasons.
I own the Swarm 22 cal. Love it to pieces. Came with a scope, once I tweaked it in it stayed there. I hits every thing I aim at. With a couple of extra magazines I can shoot all day. Great comparison video. Of course it won against that off brand German schmerman. Thanks
My first Breakbarrel was and is a Crosman MTR77 NP Scoped Air Rifle Caliber .177" (4.5mm) but it is only accurate for squirrel or rabbit hunting @ 20 yards, so today I ordered a Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X GEN 2 Caliber .22 (5.5mm) hopefully I can hit head shots on squirrels & rabbits @ 40 yards.
Fun and informative comparison guys. I just ordered the Walther Terrus in .177. The Gamo Swarm (in .22 cal) is on my list as well. My current favorite gun to shoot (and most accurate) is a Gamo Whisper G2, I shoot at 35 yards and consistently shoot half inch groups with Tomahawk pellets so your results did not shock me. The Terrus will be a nice compliment to that gun.
I purchased the swarm maxxim.177. Great break barrel for the price. Looking to upgrade scope now that Gamo scope is starting to move around with the wind adjustment dial. Looking at leapers and hawk scopes
The Bug Buster that we put on this gun is a great option and keeps the weight down. We put a link in the video description so you can check it out. There are other options, just make sure that you choose a compact scope.
Great video except for the different ammo. I'd like to see how'd they do with a more mid-level priced ammo like one of the Crosman pellets most people can buy at Walmart.
We try a lot of pellets so that we can show the guns at their full potential for these Head2Heads, and we like to keep them from being too long, but when we write up the full Definitive Guide for the guns on our website perhaps we can add in accuracy with budget pellets.
Haha awesome intro!! Great video, I have been on the fence about the Swarm but everyone says great things about it. Keep up the great work as usual guys!
If you've have been considering it, buy it! You won't regret it. We recommend it in .22 caliber and we have a great combo offer right now: www.airgundepot.com/gamo-swarm-maxxim-scope-combo.html
I own both, and will take the Walther every time. Not even a debate worth having. My Gammo swarm is not the most consistently accurate shooter I've come across. In fact it's one of the worse in my modest stash, but my stash is Walthers, Weihrauch, Diana, Hatsan, and a couple of Crosman's from my ignorant youth. Must admit to loving the 10-round magazine and it's absolute reliability.
It looks like the sites on the Walther would slightly interfere with the scope view and the pellet magazine would majorly interfere with the scope view on the Gamo. You didn't mention if they did or not.
We thought so too at first but surprisingly it doesn't! Check out the Definitive Guide we put together for the Swarm: www.airgundepot.com/gamo-swarm-maxxim.html
Cheaters! cheaters! haha! Great video guys that was a lot of fun to watch. Both good guns but honestly, the reason I did not get a Gamo swarm maximum was because of the magazine. A bit in the way of the scope, and just something else to break with my luck. Settled on a Beeman, it is so accurate and quiet, I really only need one shot. Thanks for the video.
I had never heard of either of these guns, I'm not into airguns. But then my brother got me the Gamo for my birthday and it's fucking badass, I love shooting this thing
I have a Diana 240, built in Germany, which I purchased from Airgun Depot. I think it is number one in quality of build, workmanship, quality of finish on the wood and metal, accuracy, great open sights, and perfect for backyard plinking, which is what I use it for. Also, I got fast shipping, and great assistance when I had a question.
I noticed 2 things. He used a different grip for his Terrus than he did the Gamo. Also, he used lighter faster pellets in the Gamo and we all know those typically aren't as accurate as the slower heavier lead pellets. Make of it what you will. Both look like great guns.
Consistency is the key and I believe you did change the consistency by resting the Maxxim on the gun support while you held the Terrus on the palm of your hand.
As much as I appreciate German craftsmanship I am also very familiar with the Gamo air rifle systems and remember reading an article years ago when Senior Gammo picked up a rifle that had just come off the production line and then proceeded to fire it for several thousand rounds, maybe 10K (?) with no problems. This impressed me to say the least, but only because I have several air pistols and air rifles already and primarily due to work I did not have enough time to shoot the ones I had so I put everything on the back burner - until now, so sometime tomorrow will either pick up a Swarm Magnum or the Swarm Maxxim in .22 Caliber since it has the technology that I need and want, and nothing more - meaning what I find unnecessary. The only fault I find with the design is the height of the loading system, anybody with any shooting experience knows how irritating it is to have anything to distract you while shooting with a scope, such as a front sight, and with this design it appears the rotary magazine is going to cause a problem even though it proved quite accurate during the test. So for me, if I were to take to the field to target shoot or to hunt small game, the loading sysyem would come off ASAP until I was convinced it did not bother me when shooting. For the price and technology in this offering I definately need one in .22 - and maybe even one in .177 since I have several thousand pellets in .177 cal. which I have accumulated during the last few years. Thanks for the videos and the excellent reviews on you-tube.
I do love Walther for glocks mine are great but Gamo definitely makes awesome pellet rifles. I only have the shadow 1000 with scope but it's awesome and looking to upgrade to the maximum 10 soon
Never seen a Gamo shoot under an inch at 25 yards, much less 35. I wonder how many Gamos you had to go through to get one that would shoot?? As accurate as the Terrus. No way.
We used the first and only Swarm that we have pulled out of the box. It's the same one we used for the Definitive Guide, where we also had very good accuracy with it. It's worth mentioning, perhaps, that we didn't have near the accuracy with the .177 Swarm that we tested for the Definitive Guide. Still we were really surprised the Gamo out shot the Terrus, and if we had another shootout it could easily go the other way.
Gamo pays these guys well to church up all their crap guns glorifying them like they do. Glad at least someone else isn't a mindless Gamo fanboy slurping up all their paid endorsements and shameless marketing BS.
@Southeastairgun never even seen you shoot anything other than your mouth. What's the average age of these reviewers here, 4 years old? A bunch of babies with their conspiracy theories and whining. They are just air guns, there's no secret. They all work great. Everybody should grow up and shut the hell up
phantomshTTer, you don't understand the industry. We aren't beholden to anyone. Unlike individual reviewers we don't have paying sponsors, that's why we can do comparisons like this.
I guess I got a good one as well, because I've managed quarter sized groups at 50yds with my .177 bone collector bull whisper... That's shooting the good 'ol cheap Winchester round nose pellets that it likes so much...
Gamo Swarm Maxim .22 My review after 7 months and 4000 pellets. I have been shooting airguns since 1972 at the age of 12. So i have had a variety of air guns in my 47 years of shooting them. I was excited when Gamo introduced a break barrel rifle with a 10 shot rotary magazine so I ordered one with 2 mags. Like any airgun you have to get to know its likes, dislikes, and pellets it favors over others. I have read a lot of bad reviews, experiences, about this gun and I feel most of those were from people with just not enough patience, or time, to get to know this gun. I love this gun, but it has taken time to learn it for its true potential. I have shoot 8 different swarms all .22 cal so this will be for that caliber. I shoot to a maxim of 40 yrds most times so this will cover that range and some to 50yrds just for testing purposes. I have shoot this gun to 75 yrds, but in my opinion that's max for a humane kill with it shooting 16 gr. pellets. I tested with the included scope and a Centerpoint 3x9x32. Shooting and barrel conditioning, So I set up target at 25 yrds and just did a basic scope sight in with the supplied scope. Not a terribly bad scope but could use a much better one. Grouping at this yardage using Crosman 14.3 gr. round nose pellets was 1 to 1.5 inches. I wasn’t disappointed with this for the first few rounds. Some barrels condition up with 100 to 200 rounds, some take more as we all know. This particular one took almost 400 rounds to get the grouping consistent to a 1/4 inch shooting 10 pellet groups, of course there was the occasional flyer which i left out for grouping measurements. I’ll talk about how I prep my pellets later. Holding, and resting, the gun for accuracy, So once i started getting consistent groups I played wit different types of bag rests, and holding the gun loose and tight. This gun is not that picky for this but it takes practice, practice, practice to find the best way for you to become consistently accurate with it. I shoot from a sitting position most of the time off a modified tripod rest, or table, so I will explain how this works best for me and the fill in the bags I found this gun liked best, Yes that's right I try different media in my rest bags and it truly does make a difference in accuracy with airguns. Ill explaining my testing of this for this gun. as well ans the padding i tested for my tripod mount as well. I have found white rice to work best for me so that is what I started with and it seems to love that best. I used light media and my grouping was very bad. I used sand and same results, Grass seed and wasn’t to bad but still not consistent as it was with rice. I use a firm hand grip with a gentle shoulder pressure with the stock resting midpoint on the bag and that works for me. But like I said you have to play with this gun to find what works best for you but you will be rewarded with a very nice gun if you are patient and learn you gun. I have several friends that have bought this same gun and some find it great, some have cussed at me for getting one and they have brought them to me to shoot and tune for them. I have worked on 8 of them so far and all of them shoot great for me. but learning your gun takes time and patience and I have a lot of that. I have found that all of the ones I have shoot like the same way I rest, and hold, them for me and all are just as accurate, but with different pellets Pellets I have tested these guns like, Dislike, Basic pellet conditioning to start with is washing and sizing all my pellet skirts, I dont worry to much about head size as long as there 5.50 min. and 5.53 max. This gun doesn’t seem to be affected by that size for accuracy in my tests. some like Crosman, some JSB, some Beeman, but not a one likes the h&n pellets. Some will even shoot Ruger superpoint 17 grain, Mine loves them, just fine and others miss the target completely. So each barrel likes something different. Just because its your favorite pellet doesn’t mean this gun will like them. I couldn’t get a single Gamo pellet to shoot decent groups from any of the 8 Maxim’s I shot. Not sure why but they don't like them I shot 4 different Gamo pellets and the only ones that grouped decent at 25 yrds were the rockets. 3/4 to 1 inch groups firing 10 for measurement. Odd they make the gun and their own ammo doesn’t work well with the ones I tested. You may have better luck but I sure didn’t. I have ordered the new JSB Hades pellets and have yet to test them but they look promising to me if conditioned properly for my gun, I hope. LOL. How I conditioned different pellets for testing for best accuracy for each type of pellet, This is rather in depth and will cover a lot with this gun and how it performs the way I do my barrel and pellets for accuracy depending on the range I will be shooting at, as well as the pellet I am choosing to shoot that day. So i’ll start with shooting at home for squirrel, House sparrow, control at 25 yrds. I primarily use crosman round noise, and hollow points, for this at 14.3 gr. at a velocity of 748 fps. They are deadly accurate and rarely do i ever need a follow up shot. These pellets are washed first, Sized skirts, and lubed lastly. I use a 2 cycle oil for lube and do it a certain way so as not to get them over oiled. Over lube can cause sever in accurate pellet groups. I will shoot these pellets out to 40 yrds this way. Now I shoot the Ruger super point 17 grn with no lube and just washed and sized. They dont group well when lubed. To condition my barrel for these pellets I run a few patches soaked with GOO GONE just for a light cleaning of the lube then run a few dry patches through to clean any excess Goo Gone off.. After shooting 2 to 5 pellets they come into play very nicely and group well for me. i use this pellet for Rock chucks, Yellow bellied marmots as some call them, for penetration and deliver a very distinctive wallop on impact. The JSB’s I use occasionally I condition same as the crosman and weights from 14 gr to 18 gr shoot very nicely as well, The JSB’s are a softer lead than the hard lead from crosman, Ruger, so skirt sizing must be done carefully for these pellets. Now about the Magazines every one complains about, I, like many others, hated this magazine when I tried to load shorter pellets into it. They would not slip into the magazine all the way without using a lot of force or a small plunger to load them in it. Well after about 400 rounds they loosen up enough that now all my pellets slide in nicely and fit snug still. Love loading this magazine now, Quick and easy. 400 pellets to loosen it up was a pain but worth it. I can easily slip shorter, or longer, pellets into them with ease. So even if you don’t shoot every day like me just run pellets through it while your sitting relaxing and before you know it you will be as content with them as I am. The auto loader, I have never had an issue with the loader, Pellet feeder, in over 4000 pellets of different head sizes from 5.50 to 5.53 ever. I know some have . But all 8 i have shot, tuned, worked on and with have feed flawlessly for me. It is a bit to learn the best way to disengage it for barrel cleaning though. Other than that I like it a lot. The CAT trigger, We all know we like our trigger feel different. So this is just a set up i do for myself and what i like. Well right out of the box the trigger is pretty good for 1st, 2nd, stage adjustments. However Gamo could still refine it a bit more, But for $200.00, I got mine for $154.00 shopping around, it is pretty darn good. I shoot it for a couple hundred rounds like it came. But once my groups started to come around I removed it and polished the innards to take off the rough edges as well as adding a longer second stage adjusting screw. Now my trigger releases at just under a pound at 15 oz and it has an almost hair trigger. I release the safety and its glass smooth with just a slight feel of the second stage restriction just before it releases. I love it this way and set all my triggers up similar for my tastes. Finishing this up, I’m not a pro at this but I do know it takes time, and patience, with any air gun, they all shoot pellets, but that’s all the have in common… every one is different in its own way and taking the time to know your gun makes it as accurate as your capable of. If you expect miracles from it you better be the miracle shooter to make that happen. Few are. But you can make a Miracle happen with it for you if you devote your self to knowing your gun. I hope my review, researching, of the Gamo Swarm Maxim can give it the real credit it deserves as it truly is a nice, accurate, air rifle.
I have to admit I own both of those guns I have the Walter force 1000 and the swarm I love them both, 177 with the Walter 22 caliber with the swarm accurate both weapons very fun to shoot love them great video!! Alloy rounds #1
Awesome head to head video guys! Super informative and entertaining, great job. Personally I'd take the Gamo Swarm Maxxim, that 10 round clip is a game changer for sure.
You cant do an accuracy test between two diff airguns without matching those guns to the best firing pellets for the guns best accuracy. If only one pellet was available, thats one thing, but theres hundreds. You want to test both guns at their peak unmechanicallymodifier forms. if you did test between both using only crsman hollowpoints or something and then tested with the most accurate pellet would be good, and really informative. But not like this. IMO
bag man Ask yourself that again. Would you rather a heavier trigger pull, or lighter? The Walter breaks better but Gamo is by far smoother and lighter. I own both guns. I hate the trigger on the Walther Terrus. It’s very thick
YZERMAN #19 The amount I paid for a brand new Walther Terrus.. and the performance of the rifle, it really isn’t good for anything and is hardly worth buying a scope for it. I won’t be doing anything to the trigger lol.
I never see reviews on the Benjamin Varmint .177. I own one and it’s a really good break barrel. With Gamo Tomohawks I can shoot the center out of a beer can at 75 yards. And it’s great for hunting too, as I’ve killed large skunks with a headshot at 50 yards multiple times. Please do a genuine review of this gun and maybe some of the other budget break barrels besides Gamo. Thanks.
I just got my Gamo Swarm Maxxim a week ago. After 60 shots, I had it dialed in. Tight groups. Great air rifle. Love the 10 round clip.
I have a gamo fusion elite in .22 Cal and it is a wicked air rifle
Faster shots means more practice.
The Gamo Swarm was excellent with the tight grouping. I fault the shooter for "Not having rezeroed the scope" to accommodate for the high grouping. In the beginning he had a strong preference for "HIS PERSONAL CHOICE!" That rob's the viewer of a fair and honest evaluation!!!! It's not the Magazine that won either!
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Notice the different grip also
yup, i agree he also change hand grips on both rifles too, hehe
Didn't zero the scopes first. Didn't use the same weight of ammo. ~12 gr vs ~18 gr. The shooter shooting the Swarm prefers the other airgun. Hmm. Not sure I like that.
Red Grey I know right
He was using the pellets that the gun was liking the most but o found it weird that he used 2 different holds
@@stevenrobinson6296 that’s because the Terrus is a spring powered plant and is more hold sensitive requiring the artillery hold. The gas pistons are normally a little less hold sensitive
For the price of 83 bones the 177 crosman f4 gives them a run for the $ ..nice comparison vid ....
German engineered .177 all the way. .31" group, 33 yards, 998 fps, 18.3 fpe with Superdomes, goodbye pests. One shot one kill. Ground hog, opossum, tree rat, easy. Beeman 10616 with upgraded scope, strap, $190.00. Near silent operation, moderator included, best value I found. No need for a magazine... Pests dont even hear the shots. Easy follow up if ever needed.
Well never mind about this Beeman, they're getting hard to find. Was nice they were made though...
I've had my Swarm .22 for around 7 or 8 months now and the only problem I've had with it was the factory scope. It's probably had 4500 pellets ran through it and I can put all ten shots within the size of a dime at 25yds. I've taken raccoons, rabbits, squirrels, doves, sparrows and even a fox with it! Great gun at a great price!
We agree, the scope gets you shooting but needs to be upgraded as soon as possible.
What's a good scope to get for it?
Revo Joe depends on how much you want to spend. I just got a cheap centerpoint 3x9x32 mil-dot reticle and haven't had a single issue with it. Glass isn't the best but it gets the job done.
Higginbottom Thank you. This has been very helpful.
I love mine. 3k rounds
loves H and N ftt 5.53
Thanks for the great side-by-side comparison and humor. Fun video to watch. :)
Hold both guns that same way and try again
I really like having iron sights on my rifle, just in case your scope gets broken while in the boonies you can still accurately shoot, that's a big thing in my book
Sights vs 10 shot. I like irons too but multi shot is so cool
@@scouttrooperhh-1487Gamo Swarm fusion Gen 2, just picked it up and its great.. 10x mag and NICE, and I mean NICE Back up irons with very clear fibros. (fiber optics, Green rear / Red front)
@@SaFirTacGuy i got a crosman valiant im very pleased with
But now I want an underlever fixed barrel
@@scouttrooperhh-1487 Ah yes the problem with airguns is they are relatively inexpensive, and you just want to buy more all the time.. I have the same issue with Real Steel weapons too. :(.. But the Valiant is a nice platform. Did you get it in .177 or .22? The only reason I didn't go with a Magnum Springer, is because I really have no use for it. Most of my small game hunting is done in the woods either rabbit or squirrel, and really the only open field I have is my back yard, which I can usually lure the critter in to between 20 - 30 yards. I don't need to kill a squirrel or rabbit at 100yds lol. But Im also fairly certain my Gamo could if I hold it 2 feet above its head lol. Its still pushing around 8 fpe at 75yds and 6 at 100yds. (With Predator GTO 11.75gr)
People want a multi.Shot more fps....magnum all the way......22 cal .i hope they will make it even more powerful.
Before buying, I researched and bought gamo magnum 22 cal tried different pellets at targets to get a feel for it.open season on iguanas in South Florida they didn't have a chance last year over 165 killed from New born super small ones to the 5 foot and bigger. Love my Magnum😁
Adjust the scope on the Gamo and you would hit the bullseye also.
HA , U showin us .25 cal tin by the Terrus. Was a little bit confused, lol.....great guns!!!
Nice head to head...ordered the Gamo! Thanks guys.
Hi from UK, great video guys I'm loving the head to head concept, personally I prefer the walther but was extremely impressed with the gamo it really was a close run, look forward to seeing more atb, Dave
Thanks for watching! They both really are great guns.
Darn good video. Another fine choice would be the Hatsan 95. Thanks.
Thanks! Great recommendation.
Great video,
Gamo has the edge for sure. Superior features make it a better air rifle. Now, I own one and I concur with the results. Gamo 10x is a lot of fun to shoot.
In my opinion, gamo wins in all of the categories
I love how he uses the artillery hold on the Walther but not the gamo
Mile high Skateboards my gamo doesn’t like the artillery hold much either. Its still consistent, but im far more accurate with it just on my rifle bags
I would like to see a head to head between Benjamin Maraurder .22 and Hatsan AT44 QE .22
Thank you and keep it up with more cool videos!
Thanks for watching! We'll see what we can do!
There is already a cocomparison. The Hatsan at44 QE is the new King now.
Until another air gun company finds a way to compete with 10x shot rotary system they will always have a clear edge on their competition. I have both swarms and they work like a charm
It really is a remarkably reliable system.
Damn good review. This is the best review I've every seen -- it's systematic, scientific, and complete! Thank you guys!
Also, you two are funny!
Great job guys! That opening bathroom scene gives a whole new meaning to "head-2-head."
Steve
Airgun Exploration & Advancement Channel 😂😂😂
More of this please..
That was very entertaining. Thanks guys. ...Swarm Maxxim and that mag.
I have the Gamo Swarm .22 and really like it. The 10 shot magazine is great! The points brought out in the video are accurate. Mine does groups under an inch at 25 yards and I plant to test to 50 yards at the range. It is fairly easy to reset.
Recently I also purchased a .177 Umarex Octane. WOW! Almost liking it a bit better for its accuracy over the Swarm. Very tight groups, but it is a bit louder. It does auto safe with each reset and the trigger is stiffer. It is heavier and I'm not sure if any to carry it around if hunting. The scope that came with the Umarex is solid and nicer than the kit scope from Gamo.
I shoot the Crosman domed and hollow points through both. Overall, both are nice rifles. I like each for different reasons.
Thanks for sharing your experience. That is a great short review of the Octane!
I own the Swarm 22 cal. Love it to pieces. Came with a scope, once I tweaked it in it stayed there. I hits every thing I aim at. With a couple of extra magazines I can shoot all day. Great comparison video. Of course it won against that off brand German schmerman. Thanks
We're glad you're enjoying it!
I LOVE MY SWARM HORNET it’s amazing I got it dialed in a 15 yards and it’s groupings are like 2” in
I would definetly take the Gamo
My first Breakbarrel was and is a Crosman MTR77 NP Scoped Air Rifle Caliber .177" (4.5mm) but it is only accurate for squirrel or rabbit hunting @ 20 yards, so today I ordered a
Gamo Swarm Magnum 10X GEN 2 Caliber .22 (5.5mm) hopefully I can hit head shots on squirrels & rabbits @ 40 yards.
Very funny video. You guys are awesome. I already have the Gamo Swarm Maxxim .22 many years ago. I loved it.
Thanks! We're glad you enjoyed it.
Fun and informative comparison guys. I just ordered the Walther Terrus in .177. The Gamo Swarm (in .22 cal) is on my list as well. My current favorite gun to shoot (and most accurate) is a Gamo Whisper G2, I shoot at 35 yards and consistently shoot half inch groups with Tomahawk pellets so your results did not shock me. The Terrus will be a nice compliment to that gun.
Happy shooting!
Well done fellas. Thanks for the review
You're welcome! Thanks for watching.
I purchased the swarm maxxim.177. Great break barrel for the price. Looking to upgrade scope now that Gamo scope is starting to move around with the wind adjustment dial. Looking at leapers and hawk scopes
The Bug Buster that we put on this gun is a great option and keeps the weight down. We put a link in the video description so you can check it out. There are other options, just make sure that you choose a compact scope.
michael blancett leapers scopes are awesome. I have them on all three of my Gamos
I have a gamo swarm .177 absolutely love it
Glad to hear it!
Are we not gonna talk about the fact that the Gamo scope needed adjustment? Why’d they do that?
Exactly
You guys are awesome, love the competition.
Great video except for the different ammo. I'd like to see how'd they do with a more mid-level priced ammo like one of the Crosman pellets most people can buy at Walmart.
We try a lot of pellets so that we can show the guns at their full potential for these Head2Heads, and we like to keep them from being too long, but when we write up the full Definitive Guide for the guns on our website perhaps we can add in accuracy with budget pellets.
Haha awesome intro!! Great video, I have been on the fence about the Swarm but everyone says great things about it. Keep up the great work as usual guys!
If you've have been considering it, buy it! You won't regret it. We recommend it in .22 caliber and we have a great combo offer right now: www.airgundepot.com/gamo-swarm-maxxim-scope-combo.html
I own both, and will take the Walther every time. Not even a debate worth having. My Gammo swarm is not the most consistently accurate shooter I've come across. In fact it's one of the worse in my modest stash, but my stash is Walthers, Weihrauch, Diana, Hatsan, and a couple of Crosman's from my ignorant youth. Must admit to loving the 10-round magazine and it's absolute reliability.
The 10-round magazine does make quite a difference. Do you have it in .177 or.22?
.22 is pellet picky
Accuracy varies from round to round.
H and N Field target trophy 5.53 runs very accurate. Very.
These guys crack me up!! So funny, but serious about guns at the same time :)
Thanks! We do our best.
Really good informative video in real world testing ! Keep up the great work guys 🤙, bought my gamo 10 today can’t wait to test it out
It looks like the sites on the Walther would slightly interfere with the scope view and the pellet magazine would majorly interfere with the scope view on the Gamo. You didn't mention if they did or not.
We thought so too at first but surprisingly it doesn't! Check out the Definitive Guide we put together for the Swarm: www.airgundepot.com/gamo-swarm-maxxim.html
kinda weird facing someone while they're sitting on the toilet... lol
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Cheaters! cheaters! haha! Great video guys that was a lot of fun to watch. Both good guns but honestly, the reason I did not get a Gamo swarm maximum was because of the magazine. A bit in the way of the scope, and just something else to break with my luck. Settled on a Beeman, it is so accurate and quiet, I really only need one shot. Thanks for the video.
I had never heard of either of these guns, I'm not into airguns. But then my brother got me the Gamo for my birthday and it's fucking badass, I love shooting this thing
I have a Swiss arms. It puts out a reliable 1250 - 1370 fps. It will penetrate a street sign , if l use plastic skirted pellets, at around 30 meters.
Need more of these video 😂👌
Make head2head of gamo swarm fusion gen2 and crosman magfire mission please
I have a Diana 240, built in Germany, which I purchased from Airgun Depot. I think it is number one in quality of build, workmanship, quality of finish on the wood and metal, accuracy, great open sights, and perfect for backyard plinking, which is what I use it for. Also, I got fast shipping, and great assistance when I had a question.
That is a great little gun, we're glad you are enjoying it!
The competition was really fun To watch and the whole video was great
Thanks!
both are great air rifles, but I'll give the edge to Gamo
I noticed 2 things. He used a different grip for his Terrus than he did the Gamo. Also, he used lighter faster pellets in the Gamo and we all know those typically aren't as accurate as the slower heavier lead pellets. Make of it what you will. Both look like great guns.
We always do testing to find the pellet and hold that each gun prefers so that we can compare the best performance of each gun.
Consistency is the key and I believe you did change the consistency by resting the Maxxim on the gun support while you held the Terrus on the palm of your hand.
Let’s see more of these
As much as I appreciate German craftsmanship I am also very familiar with the Gamo air rifle systems and remember reading an article years ago when Senior Gammo picked up a rifle that had just come off the production line and then proceeded to fire it for several thousand rounds, maybe 10K (?) with no problems.
This impressed me to say the least, but only because I have several air pistols and air rifles already and primarily due to work I did not have enough time to shoot the ones I had so I put everything on the back burner - until now, so sometime tomorrow will either pick up a Swarm Magnum or the Swarm Maxxim in .22 Caliber since it has the technology that I need and want, and nothing more - meaning what I find unnecessary.
The only fault I find with the design is the height of the loading system, anybody with any shooting experience knows how irritating it is to have anything to distract you while shooting with a scope, such as a front sight, and with this design it appears the rotary magazine is going to cause a problem even though it proved quite accurate during the test.
So for me, if I were to take to the field to target shoot or to hunt small game, the loading sysyem would come off ASAP until I was convinced it did not bother me when shooting.
For the price and technology in this offering I definately need one in .22 - and maybe even one in .177 since I have several thousand pellets in .177 cal. which I have accumulated during the last few years.
Thanks for the videos and the excellent reviews on you-tube.
Check out the Swarm Fusion, with Gen 2 10X technology. They have managed to drop the magazine right down.
I do love Walther for glocks mine are great but Gamo definitely makes awesome pellet rifles. I only have the shadow 1000 with scope but it's awesome and looking to upgrade to the maximum 10 soon
Hey guys, your "Head to Head" is so interesting, entertaining, often very funny. The review if airgun spects is solo informative..... Thankyou
Already the video is funny !! Can't wait to see the rest.
In regards to ACCURACY and tight groups, i’m impressed! Both those rifles TACK DRIVERS!!
yes, they sure are!
Really enjoyed the banter
Thanks 🎯
Great comparison and breakdown, thanks!
Never seen a Gamo shoot under an inch at 25 yards, much less 35. I wonder how many Gamos you had to go through to get one that would shoot?? As accurate as the Terrus. No way.
We used the first and only Swarm that we have pulled out of the box. It's the same one we used for the Definitive Guide, where we also had very good accuracy with it. It's worth mentioning, perhaps, that we didn't have near the accuracy with the .177 Swarm that we tested for the Definitive Guide. Still we were really surprised the Gamo out shot the Terrus, and if we had another shootout it could easily go the other way.
Gamo pays these guys well to church up all their crap guns glorifying them like they do. Glad at least someone else isn't a mindless Gamo fanboy slurping up all their paid endorsements and shameless marketing BS.
@Southeastairgun never even seen you shoot anything other than your mouth. What's the average age of these reviewers here, 4 years old? A bunch of babies with their conspiracy theories and whining. They are just air guns, there's no secret. They all work great. Everybody should grow up and shut the hell up
phantomshTTer, you don't understand the industry. We aren't beholden to anyone. Unlike individual reviewers we don't have paying sponsors, that's why we can do comparisons like this.
I guess I got a good one as well, because I've managed quarter sized groups at 50yds with my .177 bone collector bull whisper... That's shooting the good 'ol cheap Winchester round nose pellets that it likes so much...
Try the HW99s. Same price range and incredibly accurate.
I’m sure the Walter will last a lot longer
Both systems are going to be durable with gas, but the walther probably even more so.
Gamo Swarm Maxim .22 My review after 7 months and 4000 pellets.
I have been shooting airguns since 1972 at the age of 12. So i have had a variety of air guns in my 47 years of shooting them. I was excited when Gamo introduced a break barrel rifle with a 10 shot rotary magazine so I
ordered one with 2 mags.
Like any airgun you have to get to know its likes, dislikes, and pellets it favors over others. I have read a lot of bad reviews, experiences, about this gun and I feel most of those were from people with just not
enough patience, or time, to get to know this gun. I love this gun, but it has taken time to learn it for its true potential. I have shoot 8 different swarms all .22 cal so this will be for that caliber. I shoot to a maxim of 40 yrds
most times so this will cover that range and some to 50yrds just for testing purposes. I have shoot this gun to 75 yrds, but in my opinion that's max for a humane kill with it shooting 16 gr. pellets. I tested with the included
scope and a Centerpoint 3x9x32.
Shooting and barrel conditioning,
So I set up target at 25 yrds and just did a basic scope sight in with the supplied scope. Not a terribly bad scope but could use a much better one. Grouping at this yardage using Crosman 14.3 gr. round nose pellets was
1 to 1.5 inches. I wasn’t disappointed with this for the first few rounds. Some barrels condition up with 100 to 200 rounds, some take more as we all know. This particular one took almost 400 rounds to get the grouping
consistent to a 1/4 inch shooting 10 pellet groups, of course there was the occasional flyer which i left out for grouping measurements. I’ll talk about how I prep my pellets later.
Holding, and resting, the gun for accuracy,
So once i started getting consistent groups I played wit different types of bag rests, and holding the gun loose and tight. This gun is not that picky for this but it takes practice, practice, practice to find the best way for you
to become consistently accurate with it. I shoot from a sitting position most of the time off a modified tripod rest, or table, so I will explain how this works best for me and the fill in the bags I found this gun liked best,
Yes that's right I try different media in my rest bags and it truly does make a difference in accuracy with airguns. Ill explaining my testing of this for this gun. as well ans the padding i tested for my tripod mount as well.
I have found white rice to work best for me so that is what I started with and it seems to love that best. I used light media and my grouping was very bad. I used sand and same results, Grass seed and wasn’t to bad but still
not consistent as it was with rice. I use a firm hand grip with a gentle shoulder pressure with the stock resting midpoint on the bag and that works for me. But like I said you have to play with this gun to find what works best
for you but you will be rewarded with a very nice gun if you are patient and learn you gun. I have several friends that have bought this same gun and some find it great, some have cussed at me for getting one and they have
brought them to me to shoot and tune for them. I have worked on 8 of them so far and all of them shoot great for me. but learning your gun takes time and patience and I have a lot of that.
I have found that all of the ones
I have shoot like the same way I rest, and hold, them for me and all are just as accurate, but with different pellets
Pellets I have tested these guns like, Dislike,
Basic pellet conditioning to start with is washing and sizing all my pellet skirts, I dont worry to much about head size as long as there 5.50 min. and 5.53 max. This gun doesn’t seem to be affected by that size for accuracy in
my tests. some like Crosman, some JSB, some Beeman, but not a one likes the h&n pellets. Some will even shoot Ruger superpoint 17 grain, Mine loves them, just fine and others miss the target completely. So each barrel likes
something different. Just because its your favorite pellet doesn’t mean this gun will like them. I couldn’t get a single Gamo pellet to shoot decent groups from any of the 8 Maxim’s I shot. Not sure why but they don't like them
I shot 4 different Gamo pellets and the only ones that grouped decent at 25 yrds were the rockets. 3/4 to 1 inch groups firing 10 for measurement. Odd they make the gun and their own ammo doesn’t work well with the
ones I tested. You may have better luck but I sure didn’t. I have ordered the new JSB Hades pellets and have yet to test them but they look promising to me if conditioned properly for my gun, I hope. LOL.
How I conditioned different pellets for testing for best accuracy for each type of pellet,
This is rather in depth and will cover a lot with this gun and how it performs the way I do my barrel and pellets for accuracy depending on the range I will be shooting at, as well as the pellet I am choosing to shoot that day.
So i’ll start with shooting at home for squirrel, House sparrow, control at 25 yrds. I primarily use crosman round noise, and hollow points, for this at 14.3 gr. at a velocity of 748 fps. They are deadly accurate and rarely do i
ever need a follow up shot. These pellets are washed first, Sized skirts, and lubed lastly. I use a 2 cycle oil for lube and do it a certain way so as not to get them over oiled. Over lube can cause sever in accurate pellet groups.
I will shoot these pellets out to 40 yrds this way.
Now I shoot the Ruger super point 17 grn with no lube and just washed and sized. They dont group well when lubed. To condition my barrel for these pellets I run a few patches soaked with GOO GONE just for a light cleaning
of the lube then run a few dry patches through to clean any excess Goo Gone off.. After shooting 2 to 5 pellets they come into play very nicely and group well for me. i use this pellet for Rock chucks, Yellow bellied marmots as
some call them, for penetration and deliver a very distinctive wallop on impact.
The JSB’s I use occasionally I condition same as the crosman and weights from 14 gr to 18 gr shoot very nicely as well, The JSB’s are a softer lead than the hard lead from crosman, Ruger, so skirt sizing must be done carefully for these
pellets.
Now about the Magazines every one complains about,
I, like many others, hated this magazine when I tried to load shorter pellets into it. They would not slip into the magazine all the way without using a lot of force or a small plunger to load them in it. Well after about 400 rounds they
loosen up enough that now all my pellets slide in nicely and fit snug still. Love loading this magazine now, Quick and easy. 400 pellets to loosen it up was a pain but worth it. I can easily slip shorter, or longer, pellets into them
with ease. So even if you don’t shoot every day like me just run pellets through it while your sitting relaxing and before you know it you will be as content with them as I am.
The auto loader,
I have never had an issue with the loader, Pellet feeder, in over 4000 pellets of different head sizes from 5.50 to 5.53 ever. I know some have . But all 8 i have shot, tuned, worked on and with have feed flawlessly for me. It is a bit to learn
the best way to disengage it for barrel cleaning though. Other than that I like it a lot.
The CAT trigger,
We all know we like our trigger feel different. So this is just a set up i do for myself and what i like.
Well right out of the box the trigger is pretty good for 1st, 2nd, stage adjustments. However Gamo could still refine it a bit more, But for $200.00, I got mine for $154.00 shopping around, it is pretty darn good. I shoot it for a couple
hundred rounds like it came. But once my groups started to come around I removed it and polished the innards to take off the rough edges as well as adding a longer second stage adjusting screw. Now my trigger releases at just under
a pound at 15 oz and it has an almost hair trigger. I release the safety and its glass smooth with just a slight feel of the second stage restriction just before it releases. I love it this way and set all my triggers up similar for my tastes.
Finishing this up,
I’m not a pro at this but I do know it takes time, and patience, with any air gun, they all shoot pellets, but that’s all the have in common… every one is different in its own way and taking the time to know your gun makes it as accurate as
your capable of. If you expect miracles from it you better be the miracle shooter to make that happen. Few are. But you can make a Miracle happen with it for you if you devote your self to knowing your gun.
I hope my review, researching, of the Gamo Swarm Maxim can give it the real credit it deserves as it truly is a nice, accurate, air rifle.
This is an awesome review! Could you post it over on the product page on our website?
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@@prestoncantrell5792 thank you!
I have to admit I own both of those guns I have the Walter force 1000 and the swarm I love them both, 177 with the Walter 22 caliber with the swarm accurate both weapons very fun to shoot love them great video!! Alloy rounds #1
Good job. maybe try the both swarm the maxximvs magnum. thanks
Thanks! We are looking forward to getting our hands on the new Swarm Magnum.
Was not prepared for the intro haha. Good job
Thanks!
Putting a longer sear screw in the Gamo can get the trigger weight down to about 1.5 lb. 10mmx2.5mm pointed grub.
lol wtf? they surprised me in the beginning
Gamo definitely won by a ton strictly on the magazine alone
I have the Gamo Hunter 10x Swarm. In .22 cal. So far I like it along with my Umarex Syrix, which is in .177
Depends on ammo adjustment
I love my gamo maxxim gen 2. This gun is very accurate and loads rounds without fail
Awesome head to head video guys! Super informative and entertaining, great job. Personally I'd take the Gamo Swarm Maxxim, that 10 round clip is a game changer for sure.
I want both!
This was fun to watch guys 👍👍👍🤯🧨
Another Great Video & I thank thee for all...
Thanks for watching!
Please some one tell me which rifle is best for hunting long range and accouracy swarm maxium or magnum
Very nice video. Greetings from Nis, Serbia.👍👏👍👍👍
"Keep it simple" is the best Air rifle.
You cant do an accuracy test between two diff airguns without matching those guns to the best firing pellets for the guns best accuracy. If only one pellet was available, thats one thing, but theres hundreds. You want to test both guns at their peak unmechanicallymodifier forms. if you did test between both using only crsman hollowpoints or something and then tested with the most accurate pellet would be good, and really informative. But not like this. IMO
I shot both guns, man i love walther❤️❤️❤️
Just love the grip and how accuracy the german gun is.
Air arms S510 vs gun in the same price range or fx
That's a great suggestion! Stay tuned, we'll try and make it happen.
I have the walther terrus and I love it shoots great, had gamos before can hear the spring when you shoot it
This gamo uses a gas system.
Benjamin Titan .177 or .22
Loved the video, where does one find the competition tree target?
Well I think it would be up to the user. I am liking the rotorary mag. but I like the open sights also. Just too close.
NP2 for me... in .22
Great recommendation!
I own the Gamo Swarm Maxxim .22 its insanely nice. Will drop hogs n turkey.
Fun to watch. Thank you. 🤠
You're welcome!
they must have experimented a lot to come up with a lead free pellet suiting the gamo swarms barrel
Isn't it better if a trigger pull is consistent with little variance more than a lighter inconsistent pull? Walther win if that's the case?
bag man
Ask yourself that again.
Would you rather a heavier trigger pull, or lighter? The Walter breaks better but Gamo is by far smoother and lighter. I own both guns. I hate the trigger on the Walther Terrus. It’s very thick
@@chrisreilly4006 just switch it with a competition trigger
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The amount I paid for a brand new Walther Terrus.. and the performance of the rifle, it really isn’t good for anything and is hardly worth buying a scope for it. I won’t be doing anything to the trigger lol.
I go for terrus but did you try the sound test with a projectile in the barrel?
did you ever measure how long pellets fly in distance,how far can reach?
I loved the finale!
What is the difference between the Terrus and the Perrus?
the only problem with the Gamo for me is can you it shoot longer pellets like the Gold Flight pellets
What is the target they were competing on? Would love to have one too
the first 15 seconds were just too disturbing..... settled into the usual madness after that, thank God :)
I never see reviews on the Benjamin Varmint .177. I own one and it’s a really good break barrel. With Gamo Tomohawks I can shoot the center out of a beer can at 75 yards. And it’s great for hunting too, as I’ve killed large skunks with a headshot at 50 yards multiple times. Please do a genuine review of this gun and maybe some of the other budget break barrels besides Gamo. Thanks.