MLB Pitchers Are Cheating Again But It's Ok Now
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“Have you ever used spider tack?”
-player ones controller has disconnected-
uuohhhummm
it's crazy to me that he wasn't given prior coaching to deal with this one question lol
Boobeeebeeep* we’re sorry, but the person you are trying to call does not have a voicemail box set up yet
Lol!
He was definitely thinking about how barry bonds got sentenced for lying about cheating
Gerrit Cole literally couldn’t sound more guilty if he tried to
Would sound less guilty if he just said, "Yes I have. "
he cant really says no - his rpm was way way higher and everyone knew he was cheating(most pitchers was)
It was a lose lose situation and the interviewer knew it. The fact players are forced to do these post game interviews after every game is wild to me. Seems like a waste of time to ask the same 5 questions and get the same 5 answers.
Than Yankees have always been cheaters.
@@matt_h_27 almost everyone used some kind of substance. Stop hating on just the yankees its embarrassing lol
I am amazed at how Gerrit Cole found a more incriminating way to answer a question than by just saying “Yes”.
Omg yeaaa
Lol mind boggling
Bro i skipped that part because I can't handle the secondhand embarrassment
@@ThatsWhatSheSaid999yeah I agree. Great way to put it. Ya kinda feel dirty
Right? Just say “yes”
I like the idea that they can use traditional pine tar resin. Have all the teams vote on which brand they want to be the official MLB pine tar resin.
Exactly. If they want stuff to be stickied, make it official. Don't let a situation fester where athletes with integrity are at a disadvantage and whoever dares to cheat the most without getting caught is at an advantage.
@@mergele1000 you just explained the basis of game theory without knowing it
and then they'll use an unapproved type
@@Artofficial1986 only if it benefits them
there is already a bag of rosin on every MLB mound
"He also had a brown spot on his pants that got bigger the more he pitched "
Come on, a man can't have explosive IBS in the middle of a game anymore?
🙄
IKR? Usually you don't point those things out, because of respect that we've ALL been there at one time or another.
diarrhea
when youre sliding into home and your pants are full of ...?
lol
LMFAO
all of this is allowed but tony la russa isn’t allowed to sleep in the dugout 😤
Omg true
Yeah he's a old man let him take a nap
😂
FIRE TONY
Ageist league, If Tony isn't allowed to sleep, then we riot.
"Getting a grip on a ball is almost impossible without a foreign substance" as someone who has thrown a baseball before this is not true
Maybe it's different when you're a MLB pitcher throwing baseballs at Mach Jesus? I'm not being hostile, just offering a counterpoint.
@@yaboirogers6342 Then maybe being good at pitching at Mach Jesus without the substance since you're an athlete being paid millions should be the norm? Idk just my take
@@JDCSM i get your point but as the average player evolves and gets better, they often need some assistive tools. The average park soccer player doesn't need cleats but professionals do.
Within moderation, of course. Pine tar seems reasonable I think. The other thing was ridiculous
You will never throw a baseball at 100+mph so you have no idea what it takes to do that.
A pro pitcher could throw better than you with butter on their hands, but that doesn’t mean it would work in a professional environment.
@@Jake-bt3fc if that's true, why not implement a regulation "sticky substance". Someone else suggested that the MLB try and find a good pine tar that most people will agree on and have everyone use that if they so choose.
Even still, "I need sticky stuff because I throw balls fast" seems shaky at best. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm not, but it legitimately sounds like "I've gotten too used to using this stuff that I can't throw well (relatively speaking) without it"
I'm out of my league here considering I'm not the biggest baseball fan, so maybe when you throw at Mach Jesus, it is a good idea to have a sticky substance.
the sport is evolving in the wrong ways.
Wow ur a great editor I did not expect for u to comment on Sports I’m ur 5th Like
I don’t give a fuck
nobody cares bc the sport is boring
@@cat-le1hf wrong channel
@@cat-le1hf You’re probably an average NBA enjoyer. No defense just mindless scoring. 100-120 omg so fun to watch. 🥱 😴
It’s just easier to say “yes” Cole. 😂😂😂
It's easier to say, 'I haven't used spider tack in a game'. Every team has their own formula, wouldn't've been a lie since it wasn't spider tack.
@@tag206 easy. Change the name to lizard tack. There you go, problem solved
Bro that was so awkward lmaoo
it probably would've been easier and funnier to be witty about it, but from what I've seen, I don't think wit is a common trait amongst professional sports players.
brutal. still can't believe he answered it that way😂like bruh we can see literally all of you doing it lmao
Cole short-circuited during that interview response
i almost feel bad for him there. if he was a natural liar like arod or braun that wouldn't have happened.
@@SheaSheaWanton fr lmao probably a good kid 🤷♂️
Irl lag
Cole is terrible without cheating. Lmao.
No, no no the video froze.
If they want pitchers to keep using sticky stuff, they should lift the rule rather than ineffectively enforce it. Inconsistent enforcement leads to a playing field that isn't level.
Ayo
You basically said they are doing it bc they arent being checked enough. A rule is a rule.being checked randomly is literally how you catch them.
I rather not be a pitcher it can just cost people the games sometimes
It takes away any real skill when throwing with spin, the whole point it that it isn't easy, rolling your hand and arm correctly while gripping hard is extremely difficult for sustained periods of time, what makes a pitcher special is their ability to do it all day unaided. As someone that played sport at high levels I see people using this stuff as frauds and people that just don't truly make the grade.
I can't blame just the players, it's entire teams that need to be investigated, not individual players. We all know who is putting the pressure on the players to cheat.
This is such a terrible argument, "we've gotten so used to cheating, that trying to pitch normal is just too hard now"
Thanks for pointing out that sticky substances don't translate to fewer HBPs. I always felt it was a lame argument by pitchers, and now we have evidence that it doesn't appear to help prevent batters from getting beaned.
Wrong. It brought the rates down, but pitchers using spider tack and other substances to glue their fingers to the ball to achieve higher levels of spin rate brought it back up. The balls are terrible, they have no grip and are a joke compared to my rec leagues baseballs.
@@throgerino2731 "The balls are terrible, they have no grip and are a joke compared to my rec leagues baseballs."
LOL. Prove it or STFU.
@@throgerino2731 Why are they so bad? I would think if anyone in the world could get good baseballs, it would be MLB...
right? as if an MLB pitcher can't throw strikes consistently without it? literally the 0.000001% of people to ever throw a baseball - needs sticky stuff.
It's such a stupid notion. How the hell did pitchers in all of MLB history manage to avoid hitting batters until now?
I think the argument that pitchers used that it was “too hard” to grip a ball after the substance ban was such a cop out. It isn’t supposed to be easy. That’s why you get paid millions of dollars to work on and perfect your game
Players in the MLB should be tested every week for PED usage and they are not. Last time I checked they get tested twice a year. For 162 games, that's not shit. And iirc, they dont even test in offseason, the time a person would use gear in the first place. So pitchers definitely are getting the short end of the stick here. So if you want the most exciting "baseball" there is, which is what the MLB is claiming they want, allow PEDs and allow sticky stuff. Simple solution.
Dumb stance. As a fan I’d rather watch better pitches and batters. Idc what they use. It’s still an incredibly hard game even when they use sticky stuff or juice. Barry Bonds deserves to be in the hall of fame.
@@senyah sticky stuff made the game less exciting, since it reduced hits.
@@TKRuna Yeah but the league wide electronic sign stealing made up for it.
I honestly think PED use, juiced balls, electronic/technologic sign stealing, and sticky stuff should be allowed.
Game would be a lot more exciting lol.
Yes, imagine being so used to cheating that you can't even pitch straight anymore. As if they used that stuff all the way to the MLB. Never heard such bs in my life.
The credibility of the entire league has been on a dumpster for years. It seems at this point they are willing to let anything go to try to revive interest in the sport. But it's only hurt them more
Its their fault no one is interested lmao
Idk, the roids era helped mlb ratings tremendously.
Something something it’s just a trophy. They made their bed.
as an outsider people in this sport seem morally corrupt as hell.
The fact that the batters hit by balls increased when tackling the usage of sticky substances only means that this is something systemic: pitchers are relying on foreing substances since their high school or college years and, when those are taken away, they can't get used to having less grip on the baseballs.
Imagine it this way: batters start complaining and silently start using wider bats to increase their hit percentage. Would that be according to the rules? Would that be fair?
And then, when the league cracks down on those batters for using fatty bats... the batters complain that you can't hit a baseball with these "legal" toothpicks you give us..
Oh it's hilarious! You are absolutely right, that a lot of these pitchers have gotten so used to having the extra rotation thanks to cheating, that they aren't able to pitch normally and struggle. Not a defense, cheaters. Learn to play within the rules or go home.
@@Bubu567 nah plenty of pitchers can do it, that's why they pay you the big bucks, to do the "impossible"
It’s so hard to grip the ball. Bunch of babies.
@@Bubu567 They are paid millions to compete. That is part of being an athlete. If you can't handle throwing at top speed pitch less or slower. I know doesn't sound good but then it becomes more strategy and having multiple good pitchers rather than one or two pop off the whole game. If steroids made it less likely you got hurt in a boxing ring I wouldn't allow it still since cheating is cheating. And having to take care of yourself should not be what makes it okay to cheat.
@@Bubu567 Cheating is not subjective. It is binary. You are either doing it or not. If it says in the rulebook that you can't do something, breaking the rule is cheating. You can't headbutt in boxing. If you don't you aren't cheating, if you do you are. And it so happens in the MLB rulebook it is against the rules to use pine tar. It being natural is irrelevant since it is banned in the rulebook. So they are definitively 100% cheating.
Imagine being a professional pitcher, throwing a baseball since you were most likely a child without foreign substance, and then claiming that now, at the peak of your career, you can’t throw a baseball without the substance. That has got to be the weakest excuse I’ve ever heard. Quite a shame to think of all the pitchers who never used a substance, fail to make the MLB to guys who really look at us with a straight face and say they can’t throw a baseball reliably without literal glue on their hands. I love baseball.
So what such a dumb concern if they’re all doing its fair
@@jasperfisch8652 how is it fair to the hitters?
Same dudes that sucker punch batters for hitting a home run while they over celebrate every strikeout? No way.
@@MyBiPolarBearMax that was a very helpful response. Thank you
@@davidloudon7193 every pitcher has done it, and will continue to do it, you gonna cry about it? This whole argument is an utter waste of time this UA-camr started just for views 🤦🏽♂️
In Australia our cricketers got caught putting stick tape on a ball and "tampering", therefore cheating. Cheating in sport is disgusting and ubiquitous.
I never thought baseball could be interesting. I still dont, but you're doing a really good job
I feel the same way lmao, these videos are the only thing interesting about the sport.
@@davidreeding9176 listen, it’s interesting when your playing but boring when your just watching, I know from experience
@@savvy2641 i can totally believe that
I see all these posts about this channel making people love the sport again, and I'm like How?
"It's too hard for the cheaters to play without cheating, so we should let them cheat" is a really, really bad argument.
This has been the argument in baseball for somewhere between 20 and 50 years lol so is it really? In the NHL theres regulated stick curve and goalie pad size but in baseball the strike zone and field dont change and both teams get the same chance at offence and defense before the game is over and unlike the NFL one team cant take the opportunities away from the other so the argument kind of applies to baseball. If everyone is cheating is it really cheating? The video actually provides some structure to the argument for regulated cheating of some sort.
@@elliotdaly6055 then just make it part of the rules
@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c That's what I'm saying lol, there were guys using pine tar on my hs teams, everyone has been doing it for decades, at this point we know it doesn't effect the ball flight or spin, so just let them use it.
@@elliotdaly6055 "If everyone is cheating, is it really cheating?"
Lol my guy you really just said that. The answer is yes, yes it is.
It’s the steroid argument again-guys who wouldn’t have taken them started taking them just to keep up
I laughed my butt off when the "I can't grip the ball" excuse came out 😂😂😂
The ones cheating is the MLB itself. They come up with different balls everyday.
Yeah, while hitters might be happy they'll get hit in the head less often, that really is a convenient excuse for the pitchers to use as an argument for foreign substance use. They don't care about hitter safety, they care about improving their own personal performances so they can win / get paid a lot of money. Cheating is cheating and a tale as old as time in baseball, but with the deadened ball, this is just utterly unfair to hitters now. I don't know where the video authors are getting their info, but in the 17 year sample they give as 2022 being the best since for walks, hits, and strikeouts.... no, only walks are down, strikeouts are 4th highest since 2005, BABIP is the lowest, wOBA is tied for worst, slugging percentage is 2nd worst, hits per plate appearance are 21.8% which is pathetic. Only walks are down, the rest of that is wrong, and there's still a whole month of pitcher cheating left to affect the hitting environment. Nice job MLB, you have made offenses the worst they've been since 2014.
That's like getting shoes that make you bounce an extra 20 inches, because you have trouble reaching the rim of a basketball goal.
Very funny kid
They cant grip the ball because They aren't used to playing without the sticky cheater stuff
As a catcher I would have pine tar on the inside of my belt. Helped tremendously especially in cold weather games or humid games
Didn't realize anyone still watched baseball.
Gerrit Cole’s response🤣🤣🤣
Shit had me weak 🤣🤣🤣
it was hilarious
Lmao
if it wasn't for the blinking, it looks like the video was paused lmfao
bruh i thought my screen foze LMAOO
Just coincidence that James Karinchak has come back from “injury” over the last two weeks and has a sub 3.0 ERA and huge k-rate again. Just coincidence.
His spin rate has also increased 200+ RPM
And what is the MLB going to do about it? Nothing
@@desmondtoltzman4903 That’s what happens when a new CBA is signed with “provisions”
@@GabrielEddy uh huh
hes just good I guess
“I don’t quite know how to answer that”
It was a yes or no question Gerrit😂
Don't know what is more shameful. The actions of those professional pitchers and umpires regarding the checks, or the whining that they need the tack to throw the ball with control.
I don't know why the MLB didn't just allow or standardize foreign substances, and punish people using nonstandard stuff heavily. It would have led to the same results as doing what they did, but would be much more clear and less annoying to pitchers.
Or, just not cheat?
@@scrappymark do you not know what standardize means?
The point of the crackdown was because the sticky substances made the games boring. More strikeouts, fewer hits = boring game. The entire crackdown was implemented to make games more interesting.
Standardizing substances wouldn't solve any of those problems. Pitchers are just being babies.
@@user-eo9fl9wb8s these substances seem to have a direct and measurable affect on spin rate and therefore outcomes. Allowing any, even “standardized”, would be the equivalent of a new piece of equipment that should be a fundamental part of The Game (I.e., required). If that’s what you’re implying by “ standardizing”, I suppose I could agree. Otherwise, if some players are using it and some players aren’t because it’s not a standard piece of equipment, I stand by my cheating comment. It just seems like such an unfair advantage otherwise.
@@reeepingk Yes but so many of you refuse to acknowledge the amount of hitters that are juiced. Its crazy to me to only hold pitchers to standards while hitters juice to the gills. Hitters have had the advantage for 30+ years. Now that pitchers have been evening the playing field, all of you act like crybaby bitches. If you are going to ban the substances then lets extend the fields to 400+ feet in the corners. Sick and tired of casual fans dictating baseball. Pitching duels by far are the best baseball there is, only casual fans who don't really like the game want home runs the way we have got them.
I grew up playing baseball but fell in love with other things after high school. After several years i'm rediscovering my love for the game and your videos are a big reason why. Stumbled upon them one day a few weeks ago, so I immediately subscribed, and have watched almost all of them. Just wanted to say thanks and your videos are super well done. Keep up the awesome work!
Im in the same exact position as you! This channel is more in depth and interesting than every “professional” baseball show on tv
Literally me bro, mlb is a such a weird phenomenon. These baseball story tellers have kept me in the loop as I still struggle watching full games on tv
Lol same as you, been playing baseball since t-ball and last played in high school in 2016. Moved on to football and fell back in love with it this year
Ah, women and liquor. At least that's what I fell in love with after my baseball playing days.
The MLB admins don't go under any type of order. They just do what they want and whatever it takes to get that money. Thus gas been going on for over a 100 years. There is nobody that is going to stop them They may not be as popular as the NFl or NBA. But they don't have to be. There game is baked into American little boy life. The little league baseball criteria is life time. You can never hate a game that makes mom the center of attention in the hood. Thus sport us a subliminal master piece. I still remember my little league team name and that was 50 yrs ago. Those 2 yrs were super fun. And if you want to add more to it. I was the only black guy on the team. And nobody on the team ever called me one racial name. I never had one fight with anybody on any other team. It's obvious that we have taken some steps back. But it's still all good. You think them little boys don't know about Judge & Soto's contract. Tina Turner>what's love got to do with it.
i wonder if they could come out with a regulated grip substance thats allowed and handed out to pitchersvby umps at the start of the game. Or maybe a updated baseball design that has better grip to make the substances redundant.
i feel like this would be the cleanest and most transparent way to solve this issue
Those clips of players getting hit in the face by pitches brought back so much PTSD.Been in my share of fights when younger and been hit in the face by a baseball twice,and just one those hits was worse than every punch I’ve ever gotten combined.
4:49 when I was in high school our physics class did an experiment. we timed every pitch and ball put into play in major league games. Our sample size was 25 games. On average we determined there is approximately 9 minutes of actual play/action in a game. It will never be a sport full of action, it has always been a game of suspense.
football is around the same
@@oswald4671 nah lol there’s action in football for about 11 seconds every play , which is still shorter than the full game length of course but still way more than baseball
@@nathanswayne7518 the average is still under 12 minutes so I’m not sure what you’re talking about
Baseball is a snoozefest tbh
@@seams4186 I see watching Baseball like watching professional pool players. Unless you understand the detailed parts of the game, it can be boring.
“If we can’t cheat so it’s too hard to control the ball” is such BS.
@Sebastian Ferre Actually there was another video I watched recently that showed that when the MLB accidentally made the seams bigger without realizing it (a change in manufacturing that they thought nothing of) a few years ago that it increased the travel distance of the balls and hurt the pitcher's fingers.
To be fair MLB constantly changing the balls so it is possible from year to the next, that the grip becomes shit.
Crazy, so everyone is ok with cheating in baseball... sounds similar to the messed up world we live in. You follow rules, you get walked all over, and mistreated. You bend them a little it's ok, just don't get busted.
What beautiful lessons we are teaching future generations. Smh.
That's the way it has always been, though. There's a reason "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying" is a saying. If you can cheat so well that you never get caught, you kind of deserved to win, because you're clearly more willing to do *whatever it takes.*
@@RaptorJesus thats the worst saying i have seen in my entire life. What kind of SPORT has to resort to cheating to make it nore entertaining? Wtf
@@oiermontero2310 Where did I use the word "entertaining"?
@@RaptorJesus it wasnt because you said it. But because i have seen many comments saying that. Srry
Apparently people in the US, Canada, and Europe are cool with cheating in their elections the past few years. So I doubt they'll care when it comes to baseball.
Some pitchers genuinely touch the same part of their hats/shirts before pitches. Corbin Burnes doesn’t use illegal substances, he does weird stuff before his pitchers pretty often
Sounds like what they need to do is make things like pine tar legal while cracking down on things like spider tack. I don't even watch baseball, but inconsistent rules with poor enforcement is how you end up with a cheating problem. People have to break the rules to succeed, but how far you can go is really fuzzy, which means some people go really far, especially considering, when you get into the habit of cheat a little, it usually snowballs into cheating a lot. This is the league's fault.
Honestly I don't see how using pine tar intentionally to better grip a pitch should be considered fair, do we expect batters to beef up their bats to make a homerun more likely? Its changing the substance of the game instead of playing by what the game gave you, its introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom, it is disgusting and is exactly what has made baseball become ever more crap over the years.
A game should not be screwed with for the sake of an objective, the game should be designed in such a way that by nature it balances out, given that each side gets a shot at defense and offense the balance is by necessity as close to perfect as we can achieve. (which is why most competitive sports have an alternative defensive and offensive side) By introducing selective unregulated imbalance now it no longer comes down to individual performance but also how successfully you can rig the matchup. The MLB needs to stop screwing around like children, they broke the game and now they break it over and over trying to fix it, freaking morons.
@@Spartan322 You're right. We should eliminate gloves because that gives an unfair advantage to the defense for catching the ball. Should we allow batters to beef up their bats to make homeruns more likely? Well, then, we shouldn't allow the defense to use gloves to make catching more likely. What's next? A net? At that point, it's completely arbitrary what is or isn't considered a legal glove. It's a foreign factor, rather than the skill of the player, determining the outcome.
Look man, if it's making the game safer, I see no problem with it. They should make pine tar legal. It's no different than batters wearing gloves to help them grip the bat. If there were gloves that achieved the same effect as pine tar, would you say it should be illegal? The only reason I say spider tack should be illegal is the fact that it makes the game less safe.
@@lambdanebula8473
"We should eliminate gloves because that gives an unfair advantage to the defense for catching the ball."
Nice strawman, gloves are standardized, if provided by the MLB under standard specifications, oh look that problem disappears, who'd have guessed
"Well, then, we shouldn't allow the defense to use gloves to make catching more likely."
Again stupid argument, its a fallacy.
"It's a foreign factor, rather than the skill of the player, determining the outcome."
You're acting the fool if you claim that a glove is a foreign factor, it does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion that can't be absolutely known by the spectator and players alike. Arguing from reductio ad absurdum is useless when you use a strawman, not that it isn't usually a fallacy in the first damn place, absurdity does not actually work for rational argumentation because it tends to become a red herring and completely detract from a valid point for the sake of bombastic extremes nobody made. Its also unnecessarily rude but I suppose you care nothing for respect anyone given you argue for unregulated cheating.
"if it's making the game safer, I see no problem with it."
It doesn't because it encourages the pitcher to throw faster and more lethal pitches with only an illusion of more control, but what happens to their arms? More injuries on them, more injuries at bat if they are just so struck, the game has gotten worse because pitchers and the league would rather put everyone else's life at risk including their own instead of think "I'm doing something wrong" and playing smart. They're stupid as is the league and if they can't stand to stay in the league throw 100 mph without substances without throwing it into someone's face, they should be taken out of the game, that doesn't make them the best, that makes them whiny superficial children. If you need your own special edge to become good you aren't good at anything, you only become better when you rely on your own inherent skill and act smart about the game.
"It's no different than batters wearing gloves to help them grip the bat."
No, cause losing the bat contributes only detriment to spectators and players but does not effect the actually game, but pine tar does afflict the game and its only done because pitchers are crap and are unwilling to play smart. the game has turned into a bunch meathead children getting mad over the dumbest crap and the league is utterly worthless because its unwilling to ever fix the game. Its not their job to regulate safety, its never the job of a league to do such, that's the player's and setup behind the players to do such and ensure such, its the league's job to standardize and balance the playing field, they shouldn't be screwing with the rules if that's the case, they shouldn't be screwing with the standards, and they shouldn't be screwing with the players. If a player doesn't like that they can't cheat, the player is the problem, not the damn game.
"If there were gloves that achieved the same effect as pine tar, would you say it should be illegal?"
No because pitching no longer becomes about being the best pitcher but who can acquire the best glove. Even if it was standardized now it modulates the game to only people who are best capable with the glove, not who is the best and smartest with their own hand. I don't care about fast pitches, I don't care about home runs, I don't care about hits or strikeouts, I wanted a balanced game where its about the purest aspects of human skill under a balanced ruleset that is consistently proclaimed and enforced. In some cases this requires standards to the core aspects of the game, what kind of bat to use, what kind of glove to use, what kind of bases to use, what kind of ball to use, maybe what kind of substance to draw the foul lines by, how far the stands are for a home run, how large the boundary is, maybe what kind of batting gloves, these things contribute only to the purest core of the game for which it was made. When you start adding substances you remove the core of essence and add a lack of human skill to the game. For each game it is different, you must analyze what the core points of the game are and focus on keeping them balanced and standard, everything else must be regulated and balanced out.
"The only reason I say spider tack should be illegal is the fact that it makes the game less safe."
The game is unsafe regardless of spider tack because pitchers think throwing 100 mph is safe when it isn't, they can't throw well, injuries are up, they can't last anywhere near as long in games nor in age, and if they hit a batter are very capable to hurt him. None of them think smart, none of them think about changing, they're stubborn morons who hate actually considering they could be in the wrong because they have no sportsmanship to them and they're willing to cheat. They make the game crap and now the MLB is supporting this crappy behavior. You want to know how to make the game better? Get them to stop using anything and tell them "either learn to throw without hurting yourself and risking everyone else or get out of the goddamn game", put their foot down for EVEN ONCE, but no, instead its about manipulating the game so that its ruined for everyone.
@@Spartan322 This is one of the most desperate attempts to defend a completely irrational argument I've ever seen. These are olympic levels of mental gymnastics.
If pitchers using pine tar to get a better grip is "changing the substance of the game", then batters using gloves to get a better grip is also "changing the substance of the game". It's the exact same logic as what you're saying. You can say it's a straw man all you like, but it's exactly what you said. Adding pine tar is no more "introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom" than adding gloves. You could just as easily argue that using gloves isn't relying on skill because a really skilled player wouldn't need gloves to catch the ball.
If your only argument for how pine tar is cheating while gloves aren't is "gloves are standardized" then either you should be arguing that they standardize pine tar usage or something, or you should be opposing every single rule change since the inception of the game as cheating. Your argument holds no water. You say the use of gloves "does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion" but the term "non-standard" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. Again, if your only issue with pine tar is that it's "non-standard" then they could simply make it a standard, and then you shouldn't have a problem with it right? Well, that's exactly what I'm saying they should do.
You can say that pine tar makes the game less safe because it allows them to throw faster, and while that makes sense, you're failing to account for the reality that it does give pitchers more control. We know that it works because when pitchers started using it more, players got hit less, until spider tack started getting used. Dismissing this reality as "an illusion of more control" doesn't make any sense when the evidence that it makes the game safer is right in your face in terms of less players getting hit.
Then, after making a completely delusional argument about how it makes the game less safe, you go on to claim it's not the leagues job to regulate safety. Like, what are you even talking about? Every single sport is regulated for safety, and it's a damn good thing too, because no one wants to see players dying over a game. If the league can improve safety without drastically changing the rules, that's a damn good thing.
The next point you make is that, gloves which achieve the same effect as pine tar shouldn't be allowed, even if standardized, because somehow that "modulates the game" and makes it about who is the best when using the glove, so apparently, even though making such a big deal out of it before, being standardized doesn't even matter. First of all, while learning to use it effectively would take some practice, it changes very little about how the ball is thrown. Second, by the same exact argument, you would be opposed to defense using gloves to catch the ball because it changes the game to "only people who are best capable with the glove, not who is the best and smartest with their own hand." You claim standardization doesn't change anything so you should be just as opposed to gloves for catching, and if you flip again and say that the difference is standardization, then like I said before, we could just make pine tar standard, and by your logic you'd have to issue with it.
Even if the game isn't perfectly safe with spider tack, it's safer without it, and most importantly it's safer with pine tar. The fact that it's still somewhat unsafe doesn't mean we should forget about safety altogether and have rules which make the game less safe than it could be with only very minor changes.
You complain about pitchers throwing balls as fast as they can as though they're supposed to deliberately play worse than the rules allow in order to avoid injuring themselves and others. Do you expect batters not to swing as hard as they can so they don't accidently hurt someone with a foul ball or pull a muscle? Pitchers are talked about more than any other position because they really do have the biggest impact on who wins the game. If they don't do their absolutely best, they simply won't make it in the major leagues. Their being there at all in the first place is based on their ability to play the best game they possibly can. It's extremely meritocratic, and that means they're going to play their absolute best. If you want them to throw slower or be more deliberate with each pitch, you'll have to change the rules. You can't expect them to basically just stop trying to be their best.
Your argument is completely inconsistent, and it really just seems like you have some kind of personal issue with pitchers for some reason rather than any actual complaint with what is being done. Your inconsistency proves that you're just willing to say anything to justify a position you've taken regardless of reality.
@@lambdanebula8473
"This is one of the most desperate attempts to defend a completely irrational argument I've ever seen. These are olympic levels of mental gymnastics."
You're the one that used a strawman and then tried to treat a reductio ad absurdum as a satirical demonstration of a point I said but it was completely irrelevant to what I had said making it fallacious.
"If pitchers using pine tar to get a better grip is "changing the substance of the game", then batters using gloves to get a better grip is also "changing the substance of the game"."
Alright, the question is how? Does a batting glove improve hit performance? I would like to question how and where does this show up? Is it even necessary? Perhaps not, in which case perhaps we could just ban it and see what happens, but the question comes down to whether it effects the game, statistically it has shown no effect on anything that is afflicted by the rules of the game, throwing the bat does not constitute anything according to the rules (unless causing deliberate injury which has nothing to do with having a glove then) so decreasing the accidental throwing of the bat also does not constitute an affliction to the rules. Perhaps you could argue bat grip should be considered and maybe you can make an argument but the question is why? If asking that question isn't "does it change the nature of the game" then is a stupid question not worth answering. Pine tar for a pitcher answers that question with an affirmative. Your argument is stupid.
"It's the exact same logic as what you're saying."
How and where? You don't bother to quote me, you just state things as though they're fact but don't actually ever make an argument.
"You can say it's a straw man all you like, but it's exactly what you said."
Alright, and how? Where is the demonstration for this claim? Or how about a logical argument demonstrating that?
"Adding pine tar is no more "introducing foreign factors to the game instead of relying on skill and wisdom" than adding gloves."
Gloves are a core aspect of the game, pine tar pitching is not, the game was not made to be played with pine tar for pitching and pine tar for pitching was only historically introduced after the fact, and under the ruleset from history it was banned, even now despite historical manipulation of the rules it is still de jure banned.
"You could just as easily argue that using gloves isn't relying on skill because a really skilled player wouldn't need gloves to catch the ball."
You completely ignored my "core aspect" argument because you can't in fact argue against it.
"If your only argument for how pine tar is cheating while gloves aren't is "gloves are standardized"
You didn't even bother to read what I said cause had you done so you would've noticed that standardization is not capable to address this problem.
"then either you should be arguing that they standardize pine tar usage or something, or you should be opposing every single rule change since the inception of the game as cheating."
I always oppose ruleset changes that violate the historical nature of the sport, the MLB has done this many times and every time it made the sport worse and pissed me off, a ruleset should only need to be changed when balance is violated but given that balance in history has almost never been violated without already violating the ruleset I never see reason to change the rules. If you want to mess with the rules to get a desired outcome that isn't pure balance then you are ruining the game, chasing specific objectives is just that exact thing, especially when it violates the core aspects of the sport.
"Your argument holds no water."
You presented nothing to justify this claim, never demonstrating a case, and even worse still you completely ignored or manipulate my arguments to say things I never said. I do not see you arguing in good faith at this point given you completely refuse to actually readup on the points I have made.
"You say the use of gloves "does not modulate a capacity in a non-standard fashion" but the term "non-standard" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there."
Because we're talking about general application for the sake of the sport generically referenced. I do not have to argue for specific rulesets because that is irrelevant, its a waste of time that nobody cares about because its not targeting of the active subject being argued. If you wanted me to define specifics, give me a week but I'm not doing it if its not gonna achieve a change, thus I'm not wasting my time just telling someone in a youtube comment what should and should not be standardized, the point is things should be standardized in accordance to core aspects of the sport, it has nothing to do with telling you what that should be beyond acknowledging as a demonstration that there are surface level aspects I can reference. That's only for demonstrative purposes, why you'd take that as supplicating the entire point of my argument is beyond me, the context does not justify perceiving position.
"Again, if your only issue with pine tar is that it's "non-standard" then they could simply make it a standard,"
That wasn't my only issue, it was a specific argument detail but the problem is not only lack of standardization.
"and then you shouldn't have a problem with it right? Well, that's exactly what I'm saying they should do."
Violation of the nature of the sport, I would be even more opposed to it being standardized then I would for it to be selectively enforced, and I hate both with a burning passion.
"You can say that pine tar makes the game less safe because it allows them to throw faster, and while that makes sense, you're failing to account for the reality that it does give pitchers more control."
I don't care if they get more control. I want a game where people aren't relying on things beyond skill. I want a historical relation to the original game, I want a standardized balance according to its historical core aspects, I want a super high skill ceiling and I never want the skill ceiling lowered for any reason. Pine tar lowers the skill ceiling and introduces new factors modulating the game in such a way that pitching is no longer about someone with good skill with the ball, but now its about having good skill with the ball and pine tar, which means its not longer about the human element alone, its not about what a human can do alone and on their own, it becomes about what they can do when they use pine tar. Should we expect then that children lather their hands and gloves up with pine tar also to pitch? I don't see how that makes the game anymore engaging, it doesn't even make the game better because now it just encourages everyone to throw out their arms trying to get the strongest pitch they can. That's brute forcing the game and it gets boring in time, its spectacle with no ingenuity, it only changes the game statically because eventually it becomes the new bogstandard everyone follows. Chasing spectacle isn't good for anyone and it doesn't let you improve.
"We know that it works because when pitchers started using it more, players got hit less,"
I don't care if players get hit less, I already told you I don't seek regulations in accordance to safety, if people are gonna push themselves into harming others they should be punished or banned until it stops, if that means they'd end up reducing the average pitching speed to avoid punishment, I'd prefer it. The game is not all that interesting when the only thing a pitcher provides is a fast pitch without consideration for anything else.
"Dismissing this reality as "an illusion of more control" doesn't make any sense when the evidence that it makes the game safer is right in your face in terms of less players getting hit."
Still doesn't fix the fact that pitching injuries are only going up and even still if a batter gets hit they are in a far worse condition because the pitchers keep trying to go faster and faster.
So let me get this right, after seeing how MLB is handling this issue, we're still supposed to be upset with Bonds, McGuire, and Roger Clemems....
...and the Stros or Cards (computer hacking Stros). MLB and it's fandom at large are annoyingly hypocritical.
Not the same thing.
Yep. It’s ridiculous.
A rod too the bum
@@txbaca4861 well yeah, the fans are mostly 60+ whyte people. Boomers gonna boomer
I remember watching the Scherzer v Phillies fight live and it’s still one of the funniest things ever. I’m not even a Nats fan and I miss him in Washington.
I love your videos. It would be cool if you did a video call why Billy Martin was such a mean coach.
Honestly I think that pitchers should have 1 or 2 universal substances that the MLB decides are okay like pine tar or something behind the mound that every pitcher can use. That way it's fair and you don't have pitchers doing crazy shit like using spider tack or boiling different substances together to make it even stickier.
They have Rosen and sweat right now. I think the spin rate lowering with hit by pitches going down proves they have a good grip on the ball with that. Anything else enhances spin rate as the video said spin rates are at an all time high. However three true outcomes are down which means the spin rate itself may not effect this maybe a change in approach from batters. To me Rosen and sweat are like batting gloves for hitters, but spider tack is like a corked bat
@@dominicteneriello9977 Rosen and sweat isn't good enough clearly. Batters have an on-deck circle with all the stuff they can use, do the same for pitchers. That way there is no ambiguity. Also I said specifically so they DON'T use spider tack. There are substances that will give them a better grip that won't significantly affect spin rate in the way that spider tack does. Just give them something besides that rosen bag that tons of pitchers have said doesn't do anything.
@@ForestOfSleep pitchers say that becuase they want to have pine tar back so they can increase spin rates. But clearly pine tar does not give them grip but an advantage as HBP went down with a heavy enforcement. Adding pine tar and enchanted spin rates cause more control issues not less
@@dominicteneriello9977 You're confusing pine tar and spider tack. Pine brought HBP down, spider tack glued their fingers to the ball messing with release point and causing ridiculous spin at the cost of control. Stop talking.
This!
the mlb seems to just ignore bauer's idea which seemed to be the perfect solve simply because it's bauer's idea. legalize one substance that gives the pitcher grip without spin rate increase and coat the balls in it. if any other substance is found on a ball, suspend the pitcher
Bauer makes sense. MLB seems to be out to get him tho.
They’ve already been rubbed in mud to improve the grip which is more than little league kids get. Whole bunch of apologists in these comments. If a guy can’t control a baseball, maybe he was never meant to be up in the show.
@@goskateminnesota7256 I agree with you. And it seems at least to me that some of the balls aren’t coated evenly at times. I know there’s instructions as to how to muddy the balls, but maybe have better quality control? Or go a bit heavier on the application?
Bauer for commissioner
MLB is dumb
I have literally no connection to baseball, I never watch it but for sone reason I just love your videos. There is just something about the way you present all of this that makes it very interesting.
Thank you for your content! I’m binging on your videos rn
as a non fan of baseball, this is the only channel I can watch because it just highlight's all the reasons non fans hate baseball its hilarious
And yet, so many people comment that it's reinvoked their love of the game.
I might not be the biggest sports fan, but watching these videos are really fascinating, if not sad at times. Keep up the good work!
The St. Louis fight was uncalled for. Aranado even said after the fact that he expected retaliation but you shouldn't aim at someone's head to do so. *That's* why he was so pissed.
I mean how did he not expect the head high throw? The cards pitchers clocked most of the Mets batters on the head.
6:22 great way to avoid suspension for a substance being found and just opting for the ejection . Brilliant
What you're doing for baseball with these videos is nothing short of amazing. Speaking as a lapsed fan I can say you helped reignite my love for the game with your videos. You're becoming one of my all time favorite YT channels. Keep up the good work!! ❤️💪
No, it's really not. You're falling for the smoke and mirrors routine. Once again, Baseball doesn't exist is using mountains of speculation, fast clips and fast speak to make a video with no real substance or provable allegations outside of an increased spin rate for a short period of time. In one clip in particular, they show a pitcher continuously rubbing his pant leg insinuating that he had an illegal substance there only to then show that the player was ejected because he had an illegal substance in his glove, not his pant leg. They've done this in a variety of their videos. You need watch them a bit closer and you'll see what I mean. Once again, Baseball doesn't exist is the one actually cheating..
@@johnlo6121 He is insinuating that the pitcher is rubbing excess sticky stuff off of his fingers onto his pants, which is giving it the brown color. Maybe YOU need to watch them a bit closer, or at least work on your critical thinking skills.
@@johnlo6121 you are not very bright
@@johnlo6121 Ever heard of sarcasm?
@@johnlo6121 doesn't matter. The videos are entertaining and they got me back into baseball
If you can't NOT hit a batter without cheating, you aren't good enough to be playing that position. Period. That's some infantile whining from these "professional" athletes.
Just assign some approved materials for everyone to use if that's what the players, league, and fans want. Any deviation from that substance should then result in immediate and severe punishment.
Don't they have the rosin bag, or is that for something else
I don't even watch baseball, but this is so fascinating to watch
I don't know much about baseball so this is a serious question. Is there new technology implemented in bats, gloves and is it also implemented on the baseballs ?
I’m curious if they’ve stopped checking due to some new agreement between the players’ association and the league. Not anything public, but the fact they’ve nearly dropped checking it makes me curious.
@General Pershing mlb ratings arent amazing but the 2021 world series beat the nba finals in viewership
@@notsamhoward to be fair, nobody cared about the bucks facing the suns. it was an injury plagued playoff season
@@notsamhoward significantly more people care about atlanta vs houston than phoenix vs milwaukee regardless of sport
They still check hands though so idk if its an optics thing or people just dont care again
Yet it remains infinitely more secure than our elections.
All we need is a standardized, sanctioned foreign substance. MLB needs to pick one that works and get it on with the game
If batters can use pine tar, why can't we just let the pitchers? Maybe there's a decent answer for that but sounds fair to me.
A better path forward would be to just have a less slippery ball and ban all substances. The NPB ball in Japan is supposedly a fair bit tackier than the MLB ball, making it easier to grip without the need for foreign substances. Something like that would be preferable to allowing the use of substances.
That was Trevor Bauers suggestion to the league office.
@@hoosierflatty6435 Pine tar makes the ball darker, though at the major league level they go through over 100 balls a game so I don't think there will be time for that to be a problem. It might end up being a problem in the minors though.
@@cityboychad That might be why it hasn't been accepted, because the idea came from Bauer who (in MLB's rose-tinted view) forced them to deal with the sticky stuff problem by talking about it publicly and at great length.
1:03 glad he get rid of that beard he grows in Astros
voice as face quite matching now.
Now I know why Alek Manoah was so disgusted at Cole for being pissed when Judge got an accidental hit by pitch.
In the 70's, wide receiver were using a "stickum" subsistence to grab and hold on to passes.
Fred Biletnokoff had so much stickum on him the football stuck to his shirt.
When he was tackle, the tacklers hands would stick to his shirt.
Well done video as always, I love your energy. While I think some grip/substance could be allowed like sweat+rosin or good old licking your fingers, crazy synthetic substances just give pitchers an unfair advantage leading to league-low batting averages.
I don't even like baseball, I'm just addicted to you channel 😂 lolll
how about allowing a uniform substances like chalk that everyone can use but have minimal impact on throws?
Absolutely love the videos, thank you for keeping us updated and making it extremely entertaining as well!
How do we know that pitchers aren't just whining that they can't use foreign substances and aren't just retaliating by hitting batters to make it look like it's because the balls are too slippery. I'm sorry but a sports player can't say the parameters in which a game is set by are too hard for them. What if batters started bringing corked bats to the plate because they felt it was too hard to hit the ball farther? Oh wait, we already had the problem....
Corked bats have very little benefits as the weight reduction lowers exit velocity canceling out most benefits a lighter bat would have. Corked bats would probably help a small ball hitter more than a slugger because of that.
@@jer6579 either way it's a similar attempt to get a desired effect potentially.
@@ChuckThunder Yeah, both are making an attempt to make the game easier and are both equally bad. Hopefully something is done about it soon
did you see the very end of the vid
@@mleb5856 I did. What did I miss?
The really weird culture around cheating in baseball is one of the reasons I have a hard time respecting it or taking it seriously as a sport. As a relative outsider it’s very off putting and makes me jaded and doubtful about the competitiveness and seriousness of the game as a competitive sport.
It was just poop! How is that illegal?
Umpire: still sticky substance
These pitchers have been throwing baseballs their entire lives. Once they started cheating, they forgot how gripping a baseball worked
They probably beinbr using sticky stuff their whole lives
It's hard to call it cheating when everybody from HS up uses pine tar, etc. and has for decades. It's just another one of those "unwritten rules" the old guys get so worked up about.
@@tissuepaper9962 Nah it’s definitely cheating
@@tissuepaper9962 Not hard at all.
Is it against the rules? If yes, cheating. If no, not cheating. Voila.
I love your content man! Feel like this video had a lot of recycled stuff from your previous vids on this subject though, would've liked to hear more about this season
i don’t really get the like fiddling with your jersey or something, when i pitch i always mess with my jersey and have no clue why and have never used anything to cheat i mean there’s probably a lot of pitchers that are using a substance that do but idk just my perspective
I've been hit on the face. Batting practice, striking out every time, 3rd time up, coach just pitched a fork right at the nose. 2 strikes, 3rd pitch he just aimed at the face, still remember it. He was pissed, after getting hit I had to run 5 laps around the field.
Of all my subscriptions on UA-cam, I look forward to your new videos the most. Amazing work as always.
love the tenacity and borderline yelling. These vids always get me all revved up bro.
Watched white Sox pitcher playing the Orioles the other day and he regularly ran his fingers through his hair under his hat or back of his hair. It happened so much I couldn't understand why nobody noticed it. I can't say he was cheating but it happened so often I noticed it.
I mean, it's been widely known for decades that pitchers use foriegn substances. They even point it out in the movie major league. The line was crossed when they started using things like spider tack.
I still find it comical that the Red Sox accused the Astros of cheating when the Red Sox didn’t miss a single off speed pitch the whole series…
Yea. Ppl wanna mock the astros for cheating the 2017 WS but yet teams like the Yankees were doing the same thing. Yea they cheated Then but it’s not like they were the only ones. Also hilarious how the cardinals have had people end up in prison for hacking to cheat. Ppl wanna throw the Astros getting caught cheating like it’s some new thing that nobody dares to do yet there’s been mass cheating going on by nearly every team every year since the game was created
The 'Stros admitted and stopped doing what they were doing long before the series but bitter people started crying. Yet NY had their findings sealed because they're "Americas team"....then they were unsealed recently and all hell broke lose
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Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
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Yankees and dodgers did what Astros did and more. Yet played victim. I can't respect these mlb players who played victim when they all cheat..
1:17 when your teacher catches you cheating on the test
Wow as a bball fan this is facinating. Last time we heard anything like this was Dwight getting caught by making the ball sticky
Loving the videos as always, your channel has gotten me interested in baseball for the first time in a long time. Thank you! However I will say that a lot of your videos lately seem like an extended intro through the whole video, almost as if there isn't a structure. I don't know if it's just me but the hype in the beginning just gets carried all the way through and I feel like I'm always on high alert because there is always some important piece of information coming up next. It's not even bad, nor am I saying I don't like it, it's just a bit strange and off-putting.
Don't supendi a pitcher for. Cheating ban him from sport forever
@@user-xd8pj3bw7v what
Yes they can they just won't
@@user-xd8pj3bw7v you might need to lay off the drugs
This world is rapidly passing away and I hope that you repent and take time to change before all out disaster occurs! Belief in messiah alone is not enough to grant you salvation - Matthew 7:21-23, John 3:3, John 3:36 (ESV is the best translation for John 3:36) if you believed in Messiah you would be following His commands as best as you could. If you are not a follower of Messiah I would highly recommend becoming one. Call on the name of Jesus and pray for Him to intervene in your life - Revelation 3:20.
Contemplate how the Roman Empire fulfilled the role of the beast from the sea in Revelation 13 over the course of 1260+ years. Revelation 17 confirms that the beast is in fact Rome. From this we can conclude that A) Jesus is the Son of God and can predict the future or make it happen, B) The world leaders/nations/governments etc have been conspiring together for the last 3000+ years going back to Babylon and before, C) History as we know it is fake. You don't really need to speculate once you start a relationship with God.
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Now that they got rid of the whistleblower (Trevor Bauer), they're back to normal and routine cheating. The nonsensical argument that cheating makings the game better has been disproven by the fact that players get hit MORE with foreign substances.
How is that not more entertaining
They didn’t get rid of him, he got rid of himself.
@@knd775 How exactly did he get rid of himself? By having consensual kinky relationships with girlfriends?
@@2011blueman yes
@@knd775 he was innocent of all charges. stfu.
"if I can't cheat I suck at my job and am a danger to those around me." Maybe they should just not be allowed to pitch
What is the name of the song at the end?
"Its so hard to throw a baseball"
“It’s so hard to *grip* the baseball.”
@Trigger Warning Womanly men who play professional baseball? Do those really exist?
@Trigger Warning Not just soft hands? 🤔
@Trigger Warning So, you obviously think that Gerrit Cole is a softie. But he is hardly injury prone. Also, he is 6’4 tall and 225lbs. Would you look Gerrit in the eyes and call him soft?
@Trigger Warning Care to back up your MLB claims with facts and stats, or are you just blustering like some Asian wannabe superpower?
I got into Baseball because of you. Now I have numbers and percentages flying through my head all the time.
Maybe the MLB should engineer a grippier ball. Or maybe they should officially authorize pine-tar; like how competitive rock-climbers all get to use chalk.
I love how the sales of spidertack dropped when they cracked down on the substance ban mid season
So what happened to the "standardized mud application procedure" applied to all game balls, that all teams were supposed to adopt? Has that happened yet? I don't know what goes into the mud formula they use but where I live the more moisture you add to mud that has any clay content in it the slicker it gets, unless it has some sand grain in it, so maybe after whatever the pitchers are putting on top of the mud plus sweat could either be helping or hurting with grip? Some pitchers could still be experimenting or still getting a feel for what works and what don't, Now that all teams have to mud balls the same way; when used to every team did it a little different. Idk just asking if that could be the situation?
I've always been of the mindset that if it's something you can concoct out of stuff you'd already find in the natural clubhouse (e.g., rosin, sunscreen, pine tar) then ok since it's pretty minimal in overall efficacy but helps the pitcher get a good grip and reduce inadvertent HBP. Where I get peeved is where it's an active tack substance implemented to achieve WILDLY increased spin rates. It's almost like utilizing GNC workout products vs steroids in my mind. One is beneficial but widely available and thus not tilting the field. The other is straight cheating. And I love how pissed off the pitchers were. It's like the first time a drug cartel runs into a police force they can't bribe. Of course they're angry. They can't cheat like they used to.
And then there's the Astros
I mean your metaphor falls apart when you learn that GMC sold legitimate pro-hormones in the 2000s that has the same/worst health impacts and close to the same performance increases. Just like “natural clubhouse” substances could be nearly as effective as the synthetic substances. I think you’re drawing a line in too much of a ground area that has too much interpretation. It’s either an all or nothing imo. As least allow it to be regulated by the league to ensure even playing field.
Basically my point is availability or natural origin isn’t a good argument. From your metaphor, steroids is absurdly easy to obtain. It’s easier for me to go on a website, check out my items, transfer crypto, then wait a week than it is to drive to the town over’s mall and grab some preworkout. Plus testosterone is a naturally produced hormone and the testosterone used by athletes or medically administered is synthesized from soy beans.
@@dooby1445 It's not that deep. It doesn't have to specifically be GNC. You're going out of your way to argue with a statement that makes perfect sense, and nobody likes people like that
I am 50/50 on the issue but I agree with your opinion. The truth is it’s very similar to using pine tar on a bat. The argument is valid I just think they need to figure it out. Pitchers are throwing faster these days but hitters are also hitting more home runs. A little pine tar to make your curveball snap harder? Idk it’s a tough question. I do know that the brand new ball they get all the time is quite slippery. It’s not an easy game
@@dooby1445 You DO understand I don't mean GNC specifically and am referring to non-prescribed OTC supplements, yes? Anomalies aren't what I'm going for
Those pitchers also get angry and act out, so that it makes it awkward and the umpires don't want to do it, nor does MLB want to have that sort of circus going on everytime the umpires are doing their jobs.
Imagine watching this video and drinking every time “foreign substance is uttered”
Cole's ERA was going up like crazy, after the MLB hunted down cheating pitchers.
Cheating is never gonna go in any sport
Bad take baseball is pretty much the only major American sport with consistent examples of cheating
That does not mean you give up trying to enforce the rules.
@@rabbakahn taking away batters and pitchers advantage has made baseball boring. All the safety rules I'm up for it but steroids or sticky substance not being allowed is bullshit.
@@McBigP13 play by the rules, otherwise why have rules.
@@rabbakahn I don't disagree but these two tools are bullshit
great vid really thought out and well explained cant wait till tomorrow for my Cooperstown's tournament really hyping me up thanks for the amazing baseball content love binging these while eating or before I go to sleep keep it up and u will hit 500k before anyone knows it great job
If you include the fact that the balls are different, I think it's a good combination to have official tar for pitching to make up for the inconsistencies in the ball.
Or just change the baseball bc a normal baseball isnt hard to grip whatsoever. Idk wtf these dudes r throwing if it’s hard to grip 💀
Seeing how much baseballers can get away with being against the ruless is much more interesting than the game itself.
And so it begins.
Hi fuzzy
Hey Fuzzy! Love your recaps!
Albert pujols running out of the dugout towards the mound was his fastest recorded sprint speed in the last decade
Im not even a baseball fan but I love the content this channel made
What I got from this. Super sticky substance that is used to drastically increase ball spin speeds=bad.
Traditional ways that increase grip whilst slightly effect ball spin speed=good.
The Fix: Just have the MLB make and give pitchers a legal substance similar to pine tar resin or w/e that increases grip whilst minimally effecting ball spin speed so that way the sport is safer and you still get the increased hits you want.
Crack down on any other substance. Bam fixed.
I don't even watch baseball, but I always watch your videos to keep up to date on the insanity of the sport. Great stuff as always!
as soon as a pitcher said it's too hard to pitch without foreign substances I'd go find a pitcher who could figure it out to pay millions of bucks. Also some of those beanings looked intentional. I think it's the fact that they're staring directly where the balls going during the pitch.
It's weird because I never had luck with rosin and such. I always kept a bunch of clean rags to polish the ball between pitches. The cleaner, the better, for me. As they got roughed up in the game, I could get a better grip. But, they would change to a new one before I could ever really use it. I didn't play past high school, tho.
The whole can't hold onto a ball without illegal substances, like wtf high school leagues and colleges are able to do it without it. I'm sure someone who's trained their whole life can do it.
Love how this video just calls out soooo... many pitchers for cheating on camera. Kudos.