i absolutely love my kv-13, but my biggest problem with it it is that since it sits so awkwardly in the tech and they are so rare, people will do whatever it takes to kill a kv13 to fill out the achievement for killing all the Russian tanks in the tech line. I've seen 3-4 tanks all come at me to try and kill me, completely ignoring my bigger allies and they die. I put it as, "This tank attracts more lead than a spotted arty in an open field."
I love this tank so much that you can call it obsession at its best. This tank just doesn't dissapoint you. If you are even slightly experienced player, you can make miracles with this tank. I still remember my first Kolabanovs with this tank, killing full health Tiger P in close combat, making 3,5k dmg in t8 game without firing single prem. shell...
It's a great tank. The tech tree position for me was a bonus, as I despised the t-34 and had no intention of doing the t-34-85. Couple days of KV1s fun and I had the kv-13. Might pop up into the t-43 at some point.
That little tank is fun as hell. I got into a fight this morning and bounced 5 shots while dishing out major damage to multiple targets. I took on a AT-15 but didn't get the kill before the rest of the team mobbed him. I drive mine daily and use the 122mm gun. It's a scrapper for sure and I'm getting better with positioning because of the gd. GD is this tanks only fault but it's still fun as hell.
one of the benefits of KV-13 is that it only takes 22k research to go from it to the T-43 or the IS - that saves a TON of XP from getting them separately on their own branches
i am exploring the full soviet line so i am now struggling and getting through T 43 and A 43 and MT25 and like you moved up to IS 3 and i am even got the KV2 to which i had bypassed earlier just for the joy of using it and to get that S 51.. Basically i love vodka :p
I've bounced the LTTB with 181 pen on the sides and front. Then I face hugged it (T-34-2) shot the turret. Interesting tank though, don't think I would get it because I hate the MT-25
1st time I saw a KV-13 was when I was driving my TOG on Westfield. I thought "never seen it, must kill". Most medium tanks I can just point and shoot at their hull, so that's what I did. My TOG was shocked it didn't pen, TOG never seen a medium bounce TOG's shots before. After my shot (and everyone else's shots) bounced I noticed that viewport. My TOG thought "why do I need to aim at weak spot? Arrrgggg." TOG started shooting at weak spots and did lots of damage, omnomnomnom. The KV-13 saw I was doing damage to him and looked my way. Instead of backing off he pushed forward a little to shoot at me. Kept hitting him and he realised a little too late that I was more then capable of killing him. He died trying to back off. KV-13's lack of gun depression cost him his life. That and underestimating the almighty TOG.
jingles logic: ''the comet needs prem ammo to work effective.'' (148mm pen) ''the kv-13's gun works its decent'' (144mm pen) jingles this is why i like you :P
TheNfstuner Nope = gun on KV-13 is not good. It's okayish because of really good rate of fire (I managed to decrease rate of fire below 5 secs.), but not good when it comes to penetration. Damage is quite ok.
Tristan Lane Yep. Comet actually has a better gun in every meaning. Although, not that better. But have a look at armor of two tanks. It's very thin on Comet while frontal armor of KV-13 is quite good and very well slopped. I actually never had much of issues when confronting Comet in KV-13, since Comet tends to bounce so many shots of my tank. But to be honnest, I think that's more because my oponents had inssuficient knowlege about KV-13s armor.
I remember when i was 10 watching a jingles video while grinding through the german tech tree on my 2009 tochiba laptop after a hard day of secondary school. And these graphics were miles away from what i had on my laptop playing. The nostalgia
I recently bought the KV-13 because i didnt liked the heavy line anymore. The KV-13 is my money maker, together with my SU-100Y. The 13 is a very nuce tank to drive, i liked him even stock
I just researched KV-13. I still don't have the big gun, because I haven't got the 2nd turret to be able to mount it. However, I had few games in it and it is fun. My first one was amazing: I shot 14 times and penetrated just 6 times, but I killed 2 tanks and I did a lot of spot damage. I bounced many, many shots. It is fun to play!
funny stuff: my workplace blocks a lot of the internet, but I just found out it does not block youtube! I may not be able to watch, but your commentary is playing in my headphones! This is so awesome. I can learn bunches from you detailed critiques. Thanks Jingles!
I like the KV-13 it`s a very good tier 7 medium tank because of the armor and mobility. the gun isnt that bad for a medium. the gun depression is crap but it gets the job done and i think in a very good way. (Ps: a tiger or tiger P dont need to hit weak spots because the gun they use have over 200 mm of penetration ;) good video have fun
I started up the line towards the IS tanks, but realized that the T54 and T62 were available. I studied them when I was in the Army (I was a zipperhead) and can't wait to drive them. Like you said, the KV13 makes a great bridge between the two lines and now that I've seen this review, I'm looking forward to driving it as more than just a means to an end. Your reviews rock!
I've had one for a while and Jingles was midly surprised to know it was sat in my garage.. Still learning to drive it really but so far I have enjoyed owning my baby IS and I think as I gain more experience, the more enjoyable it will be. And it really is bouncy bouncy on the front.. Saved my noob backside once or twice.. Great vid as ever Jingles mon ami, keep them coming. Good hunting all, Mother
you know what Jingles? After watching your review long ago I decided not to get KV-13 because I as well have huge problem with bad gun depression, and you said in this review that it is completely terrible. After many months I decided to get this tank anyway, and you know what? gun depression isn't that bad at all, certainly as much as you say it is. -5 is like KV1S has, and bit less than for example Sherman Firefly has and that is completely acceptable and okay. I've been driving KV-85 lately and maybe that is the reason why this gun depression doesn't seem so bad to me but I really believe -5 is something everyone can tolerate. even a degree less is just a complete pain, especially two like KV-85 has (-3). So I hope people won't be scared away from this tank like I was because I believed gun depression is so bad you cannot even point it at a target right next to you - it isn't. Only problem is the gun which is just mediocre. Great at tier 5 at SU-85, great at tier 6 at T3485 but mediocre at tier 7 medium. So gun depression isn't terrible like you say, it is borderline and acceptable and could be better. Tank is still very fine. Thanks for nice review.
Alright, thanks for clearing that up. Currently grinding the money for it. I want to get the T-43 (even though it's awful) but I can't be bothered with the T-34, it's just so bad. And I'm also grinding for the MT-25 anyway, so I won't get the T-34-85.
+Lambda Locator - /Jav T-34 is not bad if you use the ZIS-4 gun on it and don't play it too aggressively because it has bad armor. MT-25 is a lot worse, mostly due to gun, but it leads to good tanks. T-34-85 is one of the best Soviet medium tanks and it's fun to play, at least for me. And everyone keeps saying T-43 is awful - it really isn't; the tank is fine (once you mount Co2 fuel tanks and get Safe storage perk) but the problem is the gun. Anyway, I find T-43 more enjoyable than British tier 7 tanks.
Kava Tava I mean, the T-34 is alright, it's just boring. And I tend to get a lot of incompetent team mates with it. I want the T-34-85, but since I have the KV-13, I might as well skip it. And I'll see about the T-43 when I get it.
After moving up to both lines (IS and KV) to tier 10's, I went back and grabbed the KV-13. After getting the sweet 85mm, its a very good med tank and a keeper. Takes hits better the the T20, and is able to bounce rounds sometimes. Great review as always Jingles.
The KV13 was nothing Else but the first bluprint of the IS1 but then Stalin was angry with Kliment Voroschilow (K.V.) and the tank was renamed to IS (Iossif Stalin).
Stats are one thing but Jingles tells you all about the weak spots, how to get the most out of any usable armour and just general tips and tricks. Few noobs like myself his reviews are extremely valuable. I wish he'd do some lower tier stuff though, 4-6. Tier 7, 8 and 9 are great but a long way away from those of us who really need the heads up.... It's also just fun to listen to him ramble on about tanks and talk us through his battles.
Jingles please do your comments as before, i like them. For me, your comments are a huge help to understand the mechanics behind the game. Thx and keep going ;)
yea it was, i miss my KV-13, im hoping to get it back. to bad that im only at 200K credits. i loved the fact that i could play as a heavy and a medium tank at the same time. i just loved that tank.
shane fitzpatrick Yeah, if you know how to play it, it can give you a pretty remarkable winrate. The gun is Okay, but you have to learn to deal with it. I have had about 3 games where I got about 3k dmg.
Jingles, a nice side point to it's durability is that since nobody knows the KV-13, nobody knows it's weakpoints save for the generic ones. I have had people bounce round after round off my hull while having a perfectly good shot at my turret. As well as the folks who drive around my side to bounce shots off the rear of the 13. It is also the bane of lights, being fast enough to be hard to shake and having good fire on the move characteristics. And woe to the light that loses it's tracks.
Not at all! I'm quite satisfied with penetration capabilities of D5T-85BM cannon. And I never use prem. shells. Quite accurate gun (for russian gun), reload speed of 4.98 secs. with gun rammer is fantastic and 2.3 secs. of aiming time is also fantastic. From my aspect, more concerning things are a bad durability of engine and depression of gun. Everything else is very, very good.
Wow, I have the KV-85 and have researched and can buy the IS, and was going to just sell the 85 and buy the IS, but now I think I'll just at least research the KV-13. Thx Jangles u cheeki skrub :P
Just for some extra info on the armor, the 120mm in the front is only the armor around the driver view port. The upper glacis is 80mm, and the lower glacis is 100mm. The rear armor is only 85mm on the lower part, and is 60mm on the upper part. The armor is good for a tier 7 medium, but looks better on the stat listing than it really is.
Incase someone haven't mentioned it yet, the reason you get the KV-13 is not if your already going down the Heavy/Medium lines, its a line jumper tank you get the KV-13 to jump from the Heavy or Medium line to get to the other so if you've gong down the Med line and got to the T-34-85 you can unlock the Kv-13 to grind out to get onto the heavy line the problem is you pay for this in the amount of XP needed to grind on the KV-13 either way your going.
The KV-13 actually does have a purpose on the research tree: It mainly caters to those who want to go down both the IS and the T-43 line. It costs about 45K EXP to get either of the tanks going through their standard lines. With the KV-13: It moves to either with only 22K EXP, effectively saving you about 20K EXP if you go after both of the tanks it leads to through it.
They nerfed it pretty hard, I used to use the stock turret with the 75mm L/70 because the traverse on the top turret with the 88 was beyond awful. Now even the stock turret traverse is useless.
The Konisch was buffed in the recent patch, it's AP damage is now the same as it's APCR, so it's a decent alternative to the 88 if you want reliable damage over raw alpha. It depends a lot on how you want to play the tank, the 3601H is a good close quarters tank with it's armor so the 88 will suffice, but if you want better poke at range then the Konisch is now a very good alternative.
One reason to get the KV -13 is that you can access both higher tier Russian IS heavies and the T series mediums by following only on branch up to tier 6. Compare what you need to earn to get the IS 3 AND the T44 by researching both the heavy and mediums lines all the way up versus researching only the medium up to tier 7
"Make that easy for them to help you and they will help you" - because this game is not about killing tanks but about carrying your teams. You nailed it. KptStrzyga
thx for the video jingles, recently invested in my kv-13, 2 marks of excellent already in a week and a half! tho i have to say, this tank with the derp fun is actually amazing, u ram the LTs and one shot them with the derp, also as a flanking tank u can derp the enemy's rear/side armor and see those whooping 300ish dmg
This is great! I've got this tank to get into mediums,,, i've literally not played one besides the grind to heavies(noob days) I don't know the first thing about med tanks... this taught me a lot, besides being 3 yo content. Thanks Jingles
I have the KV-13 and like it a lot. If you go for the IS line and Medium line, then I recommend you go for the KV-13. KV-13 is a nice tank and you only need half as much exp to resurtje the two tanks as it leads to. And Jingles thank you so much for all the review and videos you have made, have gone true 98% of all your WoT videos per now. I have used you videos and QB tactics with good shuckses have go form E:700 to E:964. Expect within 2 weeks of being E 1000. Tanks again Jingles.
This might be a glitch already fixed, but at 5:43 when he's showing the VK 30.02, it says its an elite medium, when Jingles didn't even research the engine...
I never played the KV-13, but I thank it for massively shortening my grind to the higher tier russian medium tanks. My case is that I had never even gotten past the BT-2, so I had A LOT of grinding. Thankfully I was already at the IS-3 when I decided to switch over, so I could use the KV-13 as the skipping stone from the KV-1S, which meant I didn't have to grind through 5 tanks to get to the T-43. If the KV-13's position on the tech tree is useful or not really depends on the situation.
Seeing the armour and mobility put to use here, I am now sold. I'll grind the KV-13 through KV-1S. The lack of gun depression could be good training for the T-62A I think.
My.... God Jingles.... I must thank you for finally reviewing my favorite lil russian bear! I've been trying to have you do this tank for about two months now but i guess the messages just get ate in all the other comments you get, mate ^^;
I am guessing he got the IS-4 before WG introduce the alternative heavy line (starting from KV-3 to IS-4). The IS-4 back then was a tier 9 heavy for the IS-7 line. It was some patch in 7.# that switch the IS-4 to the IS-8. As a result, people who had the IS-4 in their garage, after the patch, received the IS-8 heavy as compensation for the IS-4 while the IS-4 got bump up a tier to 10.
Just in time Jingles. Unlocked the KV-13 and searched for a reason to buy it. Know i can look at your test and see if this tanks is worth it's money. THANK YOU
The only thing the tier 7 mediums need is guns with ~170 penetration. Considering tier 6 heavies have around penetration (In general, Tier [variable] medium tank gun penetration = Tier [variable]-1 heavy tank penetration), and each nation had a gun with similar damage and around that penetration.
Got the KV-13 and have been driving her for while. Everything he says in the video still holds true. The gun depression is awful, and you often find yourself using gold APCR to do satisfactory damage. You are also weighted as a heavy, so it's either top or bottom of the roster it seems. Don't expect great earnings. The armor is good, but not mind-blowing. I tried the KV-13 for fun on the way to the T-54. It's nice to have the choice to do the IS line, now.
Hey BA, :) thanks for this nice video. I have this tank in my garage and as you point out, it has drawbacks, but it's great in all other aspects. I'm a collector and bought this tank, than grinded with it the T43 (for less EX). I think, from my point of view, when reached the end of the tree, I retrain my crew back to this beauty. It's worth it! Thanks again showing that I'm not the only one thinking it's a great tank! - subaluigi - For me, I like the KV13 much more than the T43 but
Just a quick correction on my earlier post: Res. IS costs: 112910xp Res. T43 costs: 108265xp Res. only IS through KV-13 costs: 156240xp Res. only T43 through KV-13 costs: 151340xp This is a massive overhead. If you reseach both vehicles from the KV-13 and split the research costs: R. of T43: 118690xp R. of IS: 123590xp There is still a little overhead in research but you don't need to suck an entire line to reach Tier VII. Of course you won't have 2 skilled crew, just one excellent crew!
I was always playing with the thought buying the KV-13 but everyone on the fromus was complaining about it, so i turned to the IS but maybe in the future il get the KV-13, it does look like an interesting tank. Thanks for the Review Jingles.
Technically it might be easier (exp wise) to get the seconds line from the relevant T6 (KV1S/T-34-85) you can use KV13 to get into both lines, the one you are grinding the other one. It might also make you save creds as well. Since T4, T5 and T6 together are about 1 400 000 plus ammo and what not during time you play them so getting KV13 can save you time and money and you do not have to grind through 6 tanks.
MM weights the comet the same as a tier 7 heavy, so instead of a medium tank role, you are forced into being one of your team's backbone heavies, and it doesn't have the penetration and alpha damage to make up for its lack of armor or health. You need prem ammo to ensure you can do your whole DPS, plus the prem ammo on the comet is much, much better than the prem on the KV-13, an improvement of 78mm compared to an improvement of only 50mm.
Its one of the few meds with solid armor in its tier, and the whole point of flanking is to catch the enemy off guard so you dont have to worry as much about being shot. With that logic, almost every medium tank needs prem rounds.
Here's something I enjoy about Jingles over QB, the lack of gold slinging. Not that there's anything wrong with using gold, I just enjoy seeing the "true" performance of a tanks gun.
It's a good tank for me so far. Haven't had anyone target me specifically in the Asia server but we'll see as I play it more often. Armor is really good. I've gotten steel wall and spartan badges twice at the same time so fat. It has saved my ass in the battles I've played in so far. Depression or lack thereof is really annoying and am still trying to really live with it.
the things i remeber most about the kv 13 was its glass tracks and how bouncy it was before shell normalization and the new balance, got luck and bounced 5 shots from a maus, though in all fairness it was a very extream angle and just a tiny bit of the tank sticking out from a corner
KV-13 is such a fun tank, so bouncy. It is probably going to become the seed for a new Soviet medium line. If that's not the case then this really should have been a premium tank. I used it to access the medium line (t-43 ugh) after grinding the KV. It's also a good rammer of light tanks due to its speed and decent weight.
knowing the weakspots is one thing, knowing how to play with it is another thing, its easy to see those spots but lets see how you can cover your spots when u have a completely new tank in your hands unless you learn it the hard way
You'll find this is true for most of the tanks in the entire game. It is the driver, not the tank, that determines the performance of vehicles. I've found this out when going back to play tanks I haven't played since release, and now that I've improved as a player I find I do well in them when before I'd do terribly.
The reason the hull looks like the IS's hull, is because the IS was actually created based of of it. The KV-13 was created before the IS. Later, the IS was created using the design as guideline.
When I started the game, I started using the BT series of tanks cause i liked them. I then decided to go for the IS instead of the T-54 (at the time) so I went through the KV-13, and I ADORED that tank!
safe stowage is a great one and i like intuition for tanks that can utilize various ammo types effectively. even better if there are two loaders so you can stack.
I ran through KV-13 long time before the russian tech tree was revisited and everyone played KV-3 as tier 6. KV-1S was forgotten those time, you probably can remember it, KV-3s everywhere. I used KV-13 because I simply hated A-20 and I did the math, that it's faster to grind it to T-44 via KV-13 and the heavy line. And since then KV-13 got nerfed, the top speed was actually even higher, like 60 kph. And it was really really good tank.
Mcfs13jorma you are incorrect. You spend 20k to unlock the kv13, 20k to unlock the t-43 and 20k to unlock the IS. 60k total yes, but you get 3 tanks, not just 1. It's a good way to do it.
Depends how you play I guess. If you're a more aggressive front line type of player, then adrenaline rush is a great thing to have. But if not you might be better served with repairs or camo or something else depending on the tank.
Get yourself a tier 5 tank and drive it lots, they are great little moneymakers. The KV-1 and M4 are especially good and your old T-34 is pretty decent too. At tier 5-6 your moneymaking potential maxes out, before that they don't quite do enough damage and after that repair and ammo costs increase considerably.
Oh I now have the KV-13, what a fun little tank! Ok the gun bounces off tanks like the jumbo :( but its tough, 2 games so far, 2 wins, first game gave me a 2nd class mastery and the 2nd game gave me my Ace tanker. I may have to put a couple of rounds of premium on there but you can give the other team a real headache with the KV-13, even went 1 on 1 with a T44 and came out with most of my health, then off to take out an AMX M4 45 (our td got him though, 1 shot off). Great, fun tank, tks Jingles!
One thing, with the grind to Elite the KV-1S, you'll unlock the kv-13. And who doesn't want to Elite their kv-1s? Fun as hell! I'm actually enjoying the kv-13 so far.
I went to the KV-13 because I wanted to go through the russian medium line without having to deal with that aweful A-20. I got my T-54 recently and I've played about 150 games in it now. Such an amazingly fun tank! But back to KV-13. It's a decent T7 medium: bouncier than the others, good mobility, decent gun. It's largest drawback is its module vulnerability. The engine is prone to death and fire is common.
Love the KV-13. By far my favorite medium tank for tier 1-7. It goes know where but its a blast taking a heavy tank hull up against other mediums. I get ppl raging all the time calling me a hack, cause they cant pen my hull.
Kv-13 is a transaction tank to switch yo the other tree without starting a whole new line. Also as you are going from tier 7 to tier 7 it does not take that much xp to research the orher tier 7's.
Jingles, WarGaming announced the new Soviet medium line. This might be like the VK 3002DB, get some EXP on that thing, and it might be the tier 7 of the new Soviet medium line.
Jingles: about vk 30.02D - in patch 8.5 the ninja buffed it by increasing its RoF (with short 88mm reload time ca. 5 seconds from pre-8.5 around 7 seconds), I also noticed that traverse is much better than before (lowered ground resistance?)
The gun depression is really bad but when i played it i felt that armour gave me that extra bit of confidence to drive that little further out to shoot. It was annoying yes but you get used to it eventually.
ok, nerf to the stock turret removes one of the options to play vk3002DB as a fast moving, circling brawler but the DPM gain on upgraded turret (as I said before, with short 88mm reload time is around 6 seconds - for example Tiger I has reload time on long 88mm like 7,5 seconds) makes it a real monster in close combat fights assuming you know how to use 132mm of penetration
Be warned the hull armor has been pretty hard nerfed since this video was made. The upper glasis is now 90mm effective including angling, and there's a strip of 60mm effective along the side that makes sidescraping suicide if the enemy knows where to shoot.
i absolutely love my kv-13, but my biggest problem with it it is that since it sits so awkwardly in the tech and they are so rare, people will do whatever it takes to kill a kv13 to fill out the achievement for killing all the Russian tanks in the tech line. I've seen 3-4 tanks all come at me to try and kill me, completely ignoring my bigger allies and they die. I put it as, "This tank attracts more lead than a spotted arty in an open field."
Been there, gone through it.
I love this tank so much that you can call it obsession at its best. This tank just doesn't dissapoint you. If you are even slightly experienced player, you can make miracles with this tank. I still remember my first Kolabanovs with this tank, killing full health Tiger P in close combat, making 3,5k dmg in t8 game without firing single prem. shell...
well i got a reason why to get the KV13 you can skip the medium line from 2 to 6
It's a great tank. The tech tree position for me was a bonus, as I despised the t-34 and had no intention of doing the t-34-85. Couple days of KV1s fun and I had the kv-13. Might pop up into the t-43 at some point.
That little tank is fun as hell. I got into a fight this morning and bounced 5 shots while dishing out major damage to multiple targets. I took on a AT-15 but didn't get the kill before the rest of the team mobbed him. I drive mine daily and use the 122mm gun. It's a scrapper for sure and I'm getting better with positioning because of the gd. GD is this tanks only fault but it's still fun as hell.
The less gun depression the tank has the more depression you get
@@wahyuhardian6561 your just scamming to make people scammed
one of the benefits of KV-13 is that it only takes 22k research to go from it to the T-43 or the IS - that saves a TON of XP from getting them separately on their own branches
+leovaeg loved t 34 85 so much that i unlocked both playing KV 35 85 and earning all credits .. :P
rahul menon
I feel the same way about the Chinese Type 58 (its a clone of the T-34-85 basically), fantastic tank that's a perma-keeper in my garage!
+rahul menon t3485 is my most favorite tank ever. t 43 is super bad at tier 7 so i went to the kv 13 to the IS
i am exploring the full soviet line so i am now struggling and getting through T 43 and A 43 and MT25 and like you moved up to IS 3 and i am even got the KV2 to which i had bypassed earlier just for the joy of using it and to get that S 51.. Basically i love vodka
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Lol good shit
when you play the LTTB every tank has good gun depresion
I got t-54 lw and i still have the lttb, I call it the mini panther :D
i have the T-54 lw just for team battles, LTTB is love LTTB is life ;D
+Sinisa Jovanovic The mini-Panther?! WTF There already is a mini-Panther and the LTTB plays nothing like a Panther!
LeadHead the panter and lttb should stay behind the team and snipe, because they both have precise, fast firing guns...
I've bounced the LTTB with 181 pen on the sides and front. Then I face hugged it (T-34-2) shot the turret. Interesting tank though, don't think I would get it because I hate the MT-25
1st time I saw a KV-13 was when I was driving my TOG on Westfield. I thought "never seen it, must kill". Most medium tanks I can just point and shoot at their hull, so that's what I did. My TOG was shocked it didn't pen, TOG never seen a medium bounce TOG's shots before. After my shot (and everyone else's shots) bounced I noticed that viewport. My TOG thought "why do I need to aim at weak spot? Arrrgggg." TOG started shooting at weak spots and did lots of damage, omnomnomnom. The KV-13 saw I was doing damage to him and looked my way. Instead of backing off he pushed forward a little to shoot at me. Kept hitting him and he realised a little too late that I was more then capable of killing him. He died trying to back off. KV-13's lack of gun depression cost him his life. That and underestimating the almighty TOG.
I appreciate Jingles and the rest for taking the time to do this for us no matter how helpful or useful,they are great fun to watch AND INFORMATIVE!
jingles logic: ''the comet needs prem ammo to work effective.'' (148mm pen)
''the kv-13's gun works its decent'' (144mm pen)
jingles this is why i like you :P
Nope. But I stick to one golden rule: While driving KV-13, avoid engaging heavies frontally at every cost! Outflank, or do not engage at all.
i know, they are both flankers like many meds but what do you mean with nope
TheNfstuner Nope = gun on KV-13 is not good. It's okayish because of really good rate of fire (I managed to decrease rate of fire below 5 secs.), but not good when it comes to penetration. Damage is quite ok.
Lazic B. My comets rate of fire is 3.52
Tristan Lane Yep. Comet actually has a better gun in every meaning. Although, not that better. But have a look at armor of two tanks. It's very thin on Comet while frontal armor of KV-13 is quite good and very well slopped. I actually never had much of issues when confronting Comet in KV-13, since Comet tends to bounce so many shots of my tank. But to be honnest, I think that's more because my oponents had inssuficient knowlege about KV-13s armor.
I remember when i was 10 watching a jingles video while grinding through the german tech tree on my 2009 tochiba laptop after a hard day of secondary school. And these graphics were miles away from what i had on my laptop playing. The nostalgia
I recently bought the KV-13 because i didnt liked the heavy line anymore. The KV-13 is my money maker, together with my SU-100Y. The 13 is a very nuce tank to drive, i liked him even stock
Dude, I could listen to you talk all day. Your voice is so relaxing.
I just researched KV-13. I still don't have the big gun, because I haven't got the 2nd turret to be able to mount it. However, I had few games in it and it is fun. My first one was amazing: I shot 14 times and penetrated just 6 times, but I killed 2 tanks and I did a lot of spot damage. I bounced many, many shots. It is fun to play!
I have the tank as well, still don't have either the gun or turret, and all I can say is, the pen is atrocious.
funny stuff: my workplace blocks a lot of the internet, but I just found out it does not block youtube! I may not be able to watch, but your commentary is playing in my headphones! This is so awesome. I can learn bunches from you detailed critiques. Thanks Jingles!
I like the KV-13 it`s a very good tier 7 medium tank because of the armor and mobility. the gun isnt that bad for a medium. the gun depression is crap but it gets the job done and i think in a very good way. (Ps: a tiger or tiger P dont need to hit weak spots because the gun they use have over 200 mm of penetration ;) good video have fun
I started up the line towards the IS tanks, but realized that the T54 and T62 were available. I studied them when I was in the Army (I was a zipperhead) and can't wait to drive them. Like you said, the KV13 makes a great bridge between the two lines and now that I've seen this review, I'm looking forward to driving it as more than just a means to an end.
Your reviews rock!
I liked the T43 alot
I've had one for a while and Jingles was midly surprised to know it was sat in my garage.. Still learning to drive it really but so far I have enjoyed owning my baby IS and I think as I gain more experience, the more enjoyable it will be. And it really is bouncy bouncy on the front.. Saved my noob backside once or twice..
Great vid as ever Jingles mon ami, keep them coming.
Good hunting all,
Mother
you know what Jingles? After watching your review long ago I decided not to get KV-13 because I as well have huge problem with bad gun depression, and you said in this review that it is completely terrible. After many months I decided to get this tank anyway, and you know what? gun depression isn't that bad at all, certainly as much as you say it is. -5 is like KV1S has, and bit less than for example Sherman Firefly has and that is completely acceptable and okay. I've been driving KV-85 lately and maybe that is the reason why this gun depression doesn't seem so bad to me but I really believe -5 is something everyone can tolerate. even a degree less is just a complete pain, especially two like KV-85 has (-3). So I hope people won't be scared away from this tank like I was because I believed gun depression is so bad you cannot even point it at a target right next to you - it isn't. Only problem is the gun which is just mediocre. Great at tier 5 at SU-85, great at tier 6 at T3485 but mediocre at tier 7 medium. So gun depression isn't terrible like you say, it is borderline and acceptable and could be better. Tank is still very fine. Thanks for nice review.
Alright, thanks for clearing that up. Currently grinding the money for it. I want to get the T-43 (even though it's awful) but I can't be bothered with the T-34, it's just so bad. And I'm also grinding for the MT-25 anyway, so I won't get the T-34-85.
+Lambda Locator - /Jav T-34 is not bad if you use the ZIS-4 gun on it and don't play it too aggressively because it has bad armor. MT-25 is a lot worse, mostly due to gun, but it leads to good tanks. T-34-85 is one of the best Soviet medium tanks and it's fun to play, at least for me. And everyone keeps saying T-43 is awful - it really isn't; the tank is fine (once you mount Co2 fuel tanks and get Safe storage perk) but the problem is the gun. Anyway, I find T-43 more enjoyable than British tier 7 tanks.
Kava Tava I mean, the T-34 is alright, it's just boring. And I tend to get a lot of incompetent team mates with it. I want the T-34-85, but since I have the KV-13, I might as well skip it. And I'll see about the T-43 when I get it.
After moving up to both lines (IS and KV) to tier 10's, I went back and grabbed the KV-13. After getting the sweet 85mm, its a very good med tank and a keeper. Takes hits better the the T20, and is able to bounce rounds sometimes. Great review as always Jingles.
I actually got the KV-13 becasue I hated the T-34 grind, so I skipped it.
Eric The Epic The t-34 is okay
Saumyajit Guha Yeah, but it was taking a while. It sorta wasn't for me becasue I always got the short end of the stick.
Eric The Epic I keep the T-34 in my garage simply because of its fast-firing 57mm. It's currently doing a good job at the weekend medium missions.
I love my t-34, the fast firing 57mm gave me a 92% win rate xD
The KV13 was nothing Else but the first bluprint of the IS1 but then Stalin was angry with Kliment Voroschilow (K.V.) and the tank was renamed to IS (Iossif Stalin).
i never used prem ammo in the comet and it worket very good
Stats are one thing but Jingles tells you all about the weak spots, how to get the most out of any usable armour and just general tips and tricks. Few noobs like myself his reviews are extremely valuable. I wish he'd do some lower tier stuff though, 4-6. Tier 7, 8 and 9 are great but a long way away from those of us who really need the heads up.... It's also just fun to listen to him ramble on about tanks and talk us through his battles.
i got my KV-1S and im thinking of going KV-13 over IS. IS is too overpopulated + i love the T russian tanks.
The KV-13 will not disapoint you, I love mine!
yea get it, learn to play the tank and you will love it.
:) glad to see tank reviews, always my favorite Jingles videos !!
kv13 most underpowered tank ever?
No.
think of the T-43, same gun, worse armour, acceleration and traverse speed ;)
EnanoRojo t-43 is way smaller.
EnanoRojo
actually t-43 has better acceleration and speed, noticeably better.
Not underpowered at all! But underrated! It's a beast tank!
Jingles please do your comments as before, i like them. For me, your comments are a huge help to understand the mechanics behind the game. Thx and keep going ;)
I would rather pay more xp for this tank than to drive the t-43
same here
Kv-13 is the best tank in WOT
yea it was, i miss my KV-13, im hoping to get it back. to bad that im only at 200K credits. i loved the fact that i could play as a heavy and a medium tank at the same time. i just loved that tank.
shane fitzpatrick Yeah, if you know how to play it, it can give you a pretty remarkable winrate. The gun is Okay, but you have to learn to deal with it. I have had about 3 games where I got about 3k dmg.
+TheFalconLord yea kv-13 is very good. every time I play with it I get 1000 exp after the battle
Jingles, a nice side point to it's durability is that since nobody knows the KV-13, nobody knows it's weakpoints save for the generic ones. I have had people bounce round after round off my hull while having a perfectly good shot at my turret. As well as the folks who drive around my side to bounce shots off the rear of the 13.
It is also the bane of lights, being fast enough to be hard to shake and having good fire on the move characteristics. And woe to the light that loses it's tracks.
well said this is a good tank but the guns for it suck so bad
Not at all! I'm quite satisfied with penetration capabilities of D5T-85BM cannon. And I never use prem. shells. Quite accurate gun (for russian gun), reload speed of 4.98 secs. with gun rammer is fantastic and 2.3 secs. of aiming time is also fantastic. From my aspect, more concerning things are a bad durability of engine and depression of gun. Everything else is very, very good.
Wow, I have the KV-85 and have researched and can buy the IS, and was going to just sell the 85 and buy the IS, but now I think I'll just at least research the KV-13. Thx Jangles u cheeki skrub :P
Finally Eagle! I've been waiting for a KV-13 video from you!
Just for some extra info on the armor, the 120mm in the front is only the armor around the driver view port. The upper glacis is 80mm, and the lower glacis is 100mm. The rear armor is only 85mm on the lower part, and is 60mm on the upper part. The armor is good for a tier 7 medium, but looks better on the stat listing than it really is.
Incase someone haven't mentioned it yet, the reason you get the KV-13 is not if your already going down the Heavy/Medium lines, its a line jumper tank you get the KV-13 to jump from the Heavy or Medium line to get to the other so if you've gong down the Med line and got to the T-34-85 you can unlock the Kv-13 to grind out to get onto the heavy line the problem is you pay for this in the amount of XP needed to grind on the KV-13 either way your going.
I hope so, and I probably will. It's probably going to be my next tank.
FREAKING LOVE THIS TANK JINGLES! it's bloody amazing i tell you! carried like a gasillion times in this one... no joke!
what are you saying he got one of the most relaxing voices i know... it is just so calming
The KV-13 actually does have a purpose on the research tree: It mainly caters to those who want to go down both the IS and the T-43 line. It costs about 45K EXP to get either of the tanks going through their standard lines. With the KV-13: It moves to either with only 22K EXP, effectively saving you about 20K EXP if you go after both of the tanks it leads to through it.
Ur the only smart one that replyed to my comment u r the only one that see's i like to focus on one game at a time.
They nerfed it pretty hard, I used to use the stock turret with the 75mm L/70 because the traverse on the top turret with the 88 was beyond awful. Now even the stock turret traverse is useless.
The Konisch was buffed in the recent patch, it's AP damage is now the same as it's APCR, so it's a decent alternative to the 88 if you want reliable damage over raw alpha. It depends a lot on how you want to play the tank, the 3601H is a good close quarters tank with it's armor so the 88 will suffice, but if you want better poke at range then the Konisch is now a very good alternative.
One reason to get the KV -13 is that you can access both higher tier Russian IS heavies and the T series mediums by following only on branch up to tier 6. Compare what you need to earn to get the IS 3 AND the T44 by researching both the heavy and mediums lines all the way up versus researching only the medium up to tier 7
I always have fun in my KV-13. Nice review as always Jingles.
"Make that easy for them to help you and they will help you" - because this game is not about killing tanks but about carrying your teams. You nailed it.
KptStrzyga
thx for the video jingles, recently invested in my kv-13, 2 marks of excellent already in a week and a half! tho i have to say, this tank with the derp fun is actually amazing, u ram the LTs and one shot them with the derp, also as a flanking tank u can derp the enemy's rear/side armor and see those whooping 300ish dmg
This is great!
I've got this tank to get into mediums,,, i've literally not played one besides the grind to heavies(noob days)
I don't know the first thing about med tanks... this taught me a lot, besides being 3 yo content.
Thanks Jingles
The 75mm on the VK3002 was buffed a lot in 8.5 actually. It now has basically the same DPM as the 88 with an extra 20mm of penetration.
I have the KV-13 and like it a lot.
If you go for the IS line and Medium line, then I recommend you go for the KV-13.
KV-13 is a nice tank and you only need half as much exp to resurtje the two tanks as it leads to.
And Jingles thank you so much for all the review and videos you have made, have gone true 98% of all your WoT videos per now.
I have used you videos and QB tactics with good shuckses have go form E:700 to E:964.
Expect within 2 weeks of being E 1000.
Tanks again Jingles.
This might be a glitch already fixed, but at 5:43 when he's showing the VK 30.02, it says its an elite medium, when Jingles didn't even research the engine...
Because the KV-13 has actual armour, so it can flank and live to tell the tale.
It's 11:00 pm time for me to listen to the charming voice of you jingles.
I never played the KV-13, but I thank it for massively shortening my grind to the higher tier russian medium tanks. My case is that I had never even gotten past the BT-2, so I had A LOT of grinding. Thankfully I was already at the IS-3 when I decided to switch over, so I could use the KV-13 as the skipping stone from the KV-1S, which meant I didn't have to grind through 5 tanks to get to the T-43. If the KV-13's position on the tech tree is useful or not really depends on the situation.
Seeing the armour and mobility put to use here, I am now sold. I'll grind the KV-13 through KV-1S. The lack of gun depression could be good training for the T-62A I think.
My.... God Jingles.... I must thank you for finally reviewing my favorite lil russian bear! I've been trying to have you do this tank for about two months now but i guess the messages just get ate in all the other comments you get, mate ^^;
Best Tier 7 medium tank. My favorite.
I am guessing he got the IS-4 before WG introduce the alternative heavy line (starting from KV-3 to IS-4). The IS-4 back then was a tier 9 heavy for the IS-7 line. It was some patch in 7.# that switch the IS-4 to the IS-8. As a result, people who had the IS-4 in their garage, after the patch, received the IS-8 heavy as compensation for the IS-4 while the IS-4 got bump up a tier to 10.
I'm sure glad they fixed this tech tree problem with the KV13. You can now advance up the tree to tier 8, 9 and 10. The A-44 is next in the line now.
Just in time Jingles. Unlocked the KV-13 and searched for a reason to buy it. Know i can look at your test and see if this tanks is worth it's money. THANK YOU
The only thing the tier 7 mediums need is guns with ~170 penetration. Considering tier 6 heavies have around penetration (In general, Tier [variable] medium tank gun penetration = Tier [variable]-1 heavy tank penetration), and each nation had a gun with similar damage and around that penetration.
Got the KV-13 and have been driving her for while. Everything he says in the video still holds true. The gun depression is awful, and you often find yourself using gold APCR to do satisfactory damage. You are also weighted as a heavy, so it's either top or bottom of the roster it seems. Don't expect great earnings. The armor is good, but not mind-blowing.
I tried the KV-13 for fun on the way to the T-54. It's nice to have the choice to do the IS line, now.
Hey BA, :)
thanks for this nice video. I have this tank in my garage and as you point out, it has drawbacks, but it's great in all other aspects. I'm a collector and bought this tank, than grinded with it the T43 (for less EX). I think, from my point of view, when reached the end of the tree, I retrain my crew back to this beauty. It's worth it!
Thanks again showing that I'm not the only one thinking it's a great tank!
- subaluigi -
For me, I like the KV13 much more than the T43 but
Just a quick correction on my earlier post:
Res. IS costs: 112910xp
Res. T43 costs: 108265xp
Res. only IS through KV-13 costs: 156240xp
Res. only T43 through KV-13 costs: 151340xp
This is a massive overhead.
If you reseach both vehicles from the KV-13 and split the research costs:
R. of T43: 118690xp
R. of IS: 123590xp
There is still a little overhead in research but you don't need to suck an entire line to reach Tier VII.
Of course you won't have 2 skilled crew, just one excellent crew!
I was always playing with the thought buying the KV-13 but everyone on the fromus was complaining about it, so i turned to the IS but maybe in the future il get the KV-13, it does look like an interesting tank.
Thanks for the Review Jingles.
Technically it might be easier (exp wise) to get the seconds line from the relevant T6 (KV1S/T-34-85) you can use KV13 to get into both lines, the one you are grinding the other one. It might also make you save creds as well. Since T4, T5 and T6 together are about 1 400 000 plus ammo and what not during time you play them so getting KV13 can save you time and money and you do not have to grind through 6 tanks.
MM weights the comet the same as a tier 7 heavy, so instead of a medium tank role, you are forced into being one of your team's backbone heavies, and it doesn't have the penetration and alpha damage to make up for its lack of armor or health. You need prem ammo to ensure you can do your whole DPS, plus the prem ammo on the comet is much, much better than the prem on the KV-13, an improvement of 78mm compared to an improvement of only 50mm.
Because flanking tanks never get shot at, right?
Its one of the few meds with solid armor in its tier, and the whole point of flanking is to catch the enemy off guard so you dont have to worry as much about being shot. With that logic, almost every medium tank needs prem rounds.
im here just to see how world of tanks was a long time ago when i was playing and i dont even remember, incredible.
The Top Gun of this tank is available to Tier 6 and higher ( T-34-85 and maybe KV-1S, can't remember ).
Nice glad to see this review up I've been thinking about buying myself one this will make the decision much easier.
Here's something I enjoy about Jingles over QB, the lack of gold slinging. Not that there's anything wrong with using gold, I just enjoy seeing the "true" performance of a tanks gun.
It's a good tank for me so far. Haven't had anyone target me specifically in the Asia server but we'll see as I play it more often. Armor is really good. I've gotten steel wall and spartan badges twice at the same time so fat. It has saved my ass in the battles I've played in so far. Depression or lack thereof is really annoying and am still trying to really live with it.
Could not agree more with you! I really like his voice. :D
Keep up the good work Jingles ;)
the things i remeber most about the kv 13 was its glass tracks and how bouncy it was before shell normalization and the new balance, got luck and bounced 5 shots from a maus, though in all fairness it was a very extream angle and just a tiny bit of the tank sticking out from a corner
KV-13 is such a fun tank, so bouncy. It is probably going to become the seed for a new Soviet medium line. If that's not the case then this really should have been a premium tank. I used it to access the medium line (t-43 ugh) after grinding the KV. It's also a good rammer of light tanks due to its speed and decent weight.
knowing the weakspots is one thing, knowing how to play with it is another thing, its easy to see those spots but lets see how you can cover your spots when u have a completely new tank in your hands unless you learn it the hard way
You'll find this is true for most of the tanks in the entire game. It is the driver, not the tank, that determines the performance of vehicles. I've found this out when going back to play tanks I haven't played since release, and now that I've improved as a player I find I do well in them when before I'd do terribly.
Finally sold mine as I had not used it for a while.
Was a hard grind to the IS with this tank
Cheers
The reason the hull looks like the IS's hull, is because the IS was actually created based of of it. The KV-13 was created before the IS. Later, the IS was created using the design as guideline.
When I started the game, I started using the BT series of tanks cause i liked them. I then decided to go for the IS instead of the T-54 (at the time) so I went through the KV-13, and I ADORED that tank!
HAPPY 60k subscribers jingles!!!! :D
safe stowage is a great one and i like intuition for tanks that can utilize various ammo types effectively. even better if there are two loaders so you can stack.
I ran through KV-13 long time before the russian tech tree was revisited and everyone played KV-3 as tier 6. KV-1S was forgotten those time, you probably can remember it, KV-3s everywhere. I used KV-13 because I simply hated A-20 and I did the math, that it's faster to grind it to T-44 via KV-13 and the heavy line. And since then KV-13 got nerfed, the top speed was actually even higher, like 60 kph. And it was really really good tank.
Even though the grind is abit tedious (if you haven't gone down the medium tank tree), this is a fun little tank when elited.
Mcfs13jorma you are incorrect. You spend 20k to unlock the kv13, 20k to unlock the t-43 and 20k to unlock the IS. 60k total yes, but you get 3 tanks, not just 1. It's a good way to do it.
Depends how you play I guess. If you're a more aggressive front line type of player, then adrenaline rush is a great thing to have. But if not you might be better served with repairs or camo or something else depending on the tank.
Get yourself a tier 5 tank and drive it lots, they are great little moneymakers. The KV-1 and M4 are especially good and your old T-34 is pretty decent too. At tier 5-6 your moneymaking potential maxes out, before that they don't quite do enough damage and after that repair and ammo costs increase considerably.
Oh I now have the KV-13, what a fun little tank!
Ok the gun bounces off tanks like the jumbo :( but its tough, 2 games so far, 2 wins, first game gave me a 2nd class mastery and the 2nd game gave me my Ace tanker.
I may have to put a couple of rounds of premium on there but you can give the other team a real headache with the KV-13, even went 1 on 1 with a T44 and came out with most of my health, then off to take out an AMX M4 45 (our td got him though, 1 shot off). Great, fun tank, tks Jingles!
One thing, with the grind to Elite the KV-1S, you'll unlock the kv-13. And who doesn't want to Elite their kv-1s? Fun as hell! I'm actually enjoying the kv-13 so far.
I went to the KV-13 because I wanted to go through the russian medium line without having to deal with that aweful A-20. I got my T-54 recently and I've played about 150 games in it now. Such an amazingly fun tank! But back to KV-13. It's a decent T7 medium: bouncier than the others, good mobility, decent gun. It's largest drawback is its module vulnerability. The engine is prone to death and fire is common.
Love the KV-13. By far my favorite medium tank for tier 1-7. It goes know where but its a blast taking a heavy tank hull up against other mediums. I get ppl raging all the time calling me a hack, cause they cant pen my hull.
No matter what anyone will ever say I will live this tank forever
Holy crap Mr. Jingles 48 minutes; you are the end of my academic career..
Kv-13 is a transaction tank to switch yo the other tree without starting a whole new line. Also as you are going from tier 7 to tier 7 it does not take that much xp to research the orher tier 7's.
Jingles, WarGaming announced the new Soviet medium line. This might be like the VK 3002DB, get some EXP on that thing, and it might be the tier 7 of the new Soviet medium line.
Jingles: about vk 30.02D - in patch 8.5 the ninja buffed it by increasing its RoF (with short 88mm reload time ca. 5 seconds from pre-8.5 around 7 seconds), I also noticed that traverse is much better than before (lowered ground resistance?)
That must be the happiest gun in the world, since no matter what you do it's impossible to depress it.
The gun depression is really bad but when i played it i felt that armour gave me that extra bit of confidence to drive that little further out to shoot. It was annoying yes but you get used to it eventually.
ok, nerf to the stock turret removes one of the options to play vk3002DB as a fast moving, circling brawler but the DPM gain on upgraded turret (as I said before, with short 88mm reload time is around 6 seconds - for example Tiger I has reload time on long 88mm like 7,5 seconds) makes it a real monster in close combat fights assuming you know how to use 132mm of penetration
Be warned the hull armor has been pretty hard nerfed since this video was made. The upper glasis is now 90mm effective including angling, and there's a strip of 60mm effective along the side that makes sidescraping suicide if the enemy knows where to shoot.
Interested in getting the KV-13. Thanks for the review Jingles.