Peter Attia’s opinion of the Carnivore Diet and Atherosclerosis risk
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I miss Derek's old daily content. I need to know why putting creatine on my cornflakes gives me a thicker beard and gyno.
😂 same
If you put it on oatmeal it will fix the beard issue. But it might make the gyno worse
I miss the old Derek
Chop up the soul Derek
Set on his goals Derek
It’s amazing how much he’s changed all these years. I looked at his oldest vids and it’s just some dude who can’t talk straight like he rolled out of bed with a hangover 😂
Wait, why does it do that? I must’ve missed that video lol
Man got famous and left us.
Wtf happend to him , i feel used by him😂mby Hes on PCT now and fight Depression... Miss him
;(
@@patrick8899he does have a business to run full time too now
He posts shorts almost everyday
@@dylaneckhoff2784he doesn't
I understood everything in this video, up to the point just before Derek said dogmatic.
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Familial hypercholesterolemia is about 4 people per thousand.
Attia is pushing medication for 4 out of a thousand people.?
Attia "People confuse confuse causality with sufficiency"
From the same man that believes correlation prove causality.
Throws in disingenuous smoking analogy..tick
😮 dogmatic is essentially like adamant or opinionated
@@kennynakawakicommitted, engrossed, enraptured, obsessed, possessed, zealous...
@@kennynakawakiit's a joke, it was one of the first words Derek said
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It just crossed my mind that I've not seen a video from Derek in a long time. I hope he's OK
Same
He’s shifting over to running his supplement brand and online TRT clinic. He’s fine. And stacking insane paper.
He’s fine. He’s active on instagram with gorilla mind promotion.
He moved on to running business and stacking paper bro made it
Derek where are you bro?
Remember when he used to make vids regularly? Good times
Damn bro I miss those days😢
he made milliones bro...he doesnt ahve time for videos anymore
@serbianboss3294 so why can Jordan Peterson find the time?
If you know the subject you would know why the channel is dead.
@@tinknal6449 why don't you help by providing some information to those who are interested?
I wish we could have just one more tren horror story, just one is all I ask
We are addicts
He’s done uploading I guess lol, his businesses are pumping out cash
what businesses?
should've gotten an interpreter for this episode
Hope Derek comes back from his break soon 😐
Ever since the Liver King video blew up Derek has basically just retired at this point.
Elaborate ?
@@nton8057 so he used to upload pretty regularly but it’s almost like after the video he did on Liver King got so massive he just retired. He post a video like twice a year now. Obviously that one video isn’t the reason he stopped but it’s just the time he started
I think it's because his companies (Gorilla Mind & Marek Health) became so succesful he doesn't need to grind on youtube anymore
@@sebustian93exactly, he’s busy with other things
@@sebustian93but here's the thing though, his products while good, aren't that much better than the competition. Relatively. So without his Brand attached to them, they'll die down. And if he keeps this schedule up, how brand will drop.
I miss the old MPMD man😢
I just want the sauna back
Polygenic and heterogeneous got it.
ohhh so thats what i got wrong.. i always thought it was homogeneous not heterogeneous. i hope my nipples will stop itching now
I stumbled upon Derek's channel by an accident when a lot of famous bodybuilders started dropping of heart failure & Ive always liked Dr Peter Attia. I love this content. I worked in cardiovascular genetics a few years back the advancement is insane
Totally dead channel. Almost can't believe it.
He took the money and ran
What happened to him?
@@SweetSourPickle see my comment
He has made over 100 million dollars in the supplement business. He js rich AF. Doesn’t need this anymore.
100 million dollars?@@guitaro5000
Liver King and Saladin are not carnivore. They both consume carbs.
Yeah Saladinerino backpedaled on his no-carb or low-carb stance pretty fucking quick once his SHBG bloodwork started going awry lmao. Reminded me of those influencer vegan-instahoes that secretly supplement collagen because their skin started looking like shit on their diet.
Good thing about Saladino is that he’s always doing blood work and learning and is open to new information unlike most
@@manuelsalas4324saladino is the man. He is not pushing an agenda, he is trying to find optimal health habits.
@@TheOneMastodon There is vegan collagen that is actually better than animal collagen because its just buildingblocks so you can make your own. You are not the sharpest knife in the kitchen i see.
@@triger1 Another yahoo in this comment section. What the fuck is going on, Derek's channel used to attract like, ACTUALLY smart people that knew their shit. Fucken VEGAN collagen ?? 😂😂🤣🤣
Where is Derek???
Damn man i was subbed to Derek before he hit a mil subs. Dude changed up on all of us and its sad.
I subbed since he got 57k subs lol, was a cool road
@andriusandrius1013 I was in around there too, like 2018. He's never looked this good before. Used to look like an absolute goblin back in the day, then slowly improved a toooon. Now that he blew up, he has this odd glow to him, looks really good
What do you mean?
You are sad
Changed up?? Hey bro, you don’t know him.
This is "My" reason for thinking that that Keto / Carnivore influencers have the answer. They were doing the polar opposite of what my Doctors have me do to get healthy, lose weight, increase my activity, and start working out. That includes getting off of 3-5 shots of insulin daily having a A1c of 480 and having to eat small meals constantly to keep from dropping out due to low blood glucose. After 10 years of Dying and going blind from following the Doctors orders, I lost 100 lbs in a year and have kept it off. I listened to the youtube Guru's about Carnivore.I lost 100 lbs in a year and have kept it off. Then I started to get fit. I can now run, vertical jump 36" , deadlift 300 lbs, perform a proper ATG back squat and perform many moves on Rings. The medical industry lied/failed me at every turn. MY ldl is 72 and HDL of 185 at last test. Everything the doctor tested is right in the middle of the good range. Now add to that after watching Dave feldman's video's on Cholesterol testing flaws, why would you even believe the testing. I went for blood work after a 3 day water fast and the doctor wanted to put me on a Statin "LDL was 195 and HDL was under 100". Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first side effect is increased chance of diabetes. Hell no, I'm not going back there. I told him I could change it naturally and he argued it's not possible. 3 days later I tested at my cost with a diet of grass fed beef fat and Eggs. LDL has under 60 and HDL was over 150. He flipped out when I told him what I ate. After all that Who would you trust???
I have a lot of faith in You Derrick, along with Huberman, and Attia. But found you, and them after getting healed. Trust takes time, and you have years of negative results to try to overcome from the lying medical industry. "Think Covid" while the carnivore crowd does not.
That said, I am slowly adjusting my diet and testing quarterly. I now have to pay for tests as my insurance only pays for 1 test annually since I'm Healthy".
What would you have done with the facts presented and who would you trust. This needs to be fixed!!!
P.S. I am 65 years old, 5'11" 32" waist, 48" chest, 180 lbs and can out run my grand kids.
thank you for sharing
100% of people who live will die. If you never live, you will never die.
That’s just math people. You would know this stuff if you went to med school.
Yeah but "sMoKiNg AnALoGy"... 🙄
Your ldl is 72 on keto? Cool story bro.
@@kerry_runsI think he must have done a typo/confused the two because HDL of 185 is impossible.
This was an absolute nothing burger of a clip. This guy said nothing of substance while using massive doctoral language just to confuse everybody in the audience watching.
Essentially, what he's saying is that people are getting into the carnivore diet haphazardly and LDL cholesterol is a motive for heart disease, without qualifying or explaining statistics that talk about LDL as a motive that proves heart disease or cardiovascular issues.
I want him to post even one study that focuses on peers long enough to make the claim that he's making. I highly doubt he is a single peer study that even comes close to diagnosing the fact of a higher level LDL cholesterol.
Also, this guy completely ignores the fact that there are two types of LDL cholesterol, fat and small particles, and having an elevated LDL over 190, usually means you're eating a lot of junk food and processed food because you're stacking up large particle LDL which sticks to your arteries, and when you have a slightly lower LDL, that You're building lower particle LDL, which are breaking up plaque in your system. For some reason, doctors and experts on this one ignore this fact, but you don't have one type of LDL cholesterol that determines everything.
I disagree with Peter Attia on this but you have no idea what you’re talking about. Seems like English might be your second language or something. Large ldl particles are what you want the small dense particles are what burrow in
Listening to David Diamond and reading Malcom Kendrick’s book, it is only a small cohort of familial hypercholesterolemia, who have a blood clotting issue that are at risk.
As an N of one, I’m 60 years old, my CAC score is zero, my trig/hdl ratio 0.4
My LDL cholesterol in American units 406mg/dl
I do not have familial hypercholesteraemia either the genetic testing has been done on me.
I am carnivore have been 7 years.
I have recently been to one of the top lipid specialists in my area U.K., he is indoctrinated with LDL and statins. After an hours conversation. He decided that I am at little risk.
I am interested in real world outcomes, particularly my own, never been healthier on any metric measured since I’ve been carnivore apart from the panic over my LDL, and yet I have no arteriosclerosis.
Exactly, the FH argument has already been shown to be false. It's too bad Attia won't give it the time of day. It further cements the fact that he no longer cares about reality.
You have no detectable calcified plaque. This does not mean you have no plaque!
@@davecollins73 yes that’s right but undetectable is good enough for me.
And an update to the situation. The lipid specialist in question has decided that my case is so interesting that he is going to get me to have a CT angiogram with contrast and look at detailed plaque formation (or not) including soft plaque, so we will see.
@@GoldenBlaisdaleWill you update when you know more?
@@blahizake but don’t hold your breath this is U.K. NHS advised several months before appointment .. good part free.
This made perfect sense, right up until they started speaking.
Derek spews nothing but world salad to make himself appear much smarter and believable in what he is saying then what he really is. Just another Huberman selling to naive wearing rose coloured glasses gullible suckers
What didn't make sense?
The fact that they don't agree with his ideas
@@RomeTWguy then they should/would take 30 seconds to refute one of his ideas based on evidence.
Yes they try to sound smarter than they are.
Hey Derek loved the video. Would love to hear what your current hair loss protocol is.
Cheers
Hi @Derek -- we're in the process of studying the phenotype discussed with the triad of high LDL-C alongside high HDL-C and low triglycerides via CT Angiography in our study out of Lundquist. We've also published on model we believe explains this context and how it may help identify the key distinction from populations with dysfunction in lipid metabolism (ie acquired, such as Metabolic Syndrome, or genetic, such as molecular FH). If interested in better understanding the thinking behind our research and hypotheses, please feel free to reach out - would love to chat.
If it's just a hypothesis why go against all the other research and tell people high LDL is ok?
What a conceited argument: Attia basically claims ApoB is nature / God’s mistake, akin to damage from smoking, and should be corrected by a drug which crudely interferes with the body’s biochemistry.
“If you don’t diagnose somebody with FH until they’re 50, they might not live a totally normal lifespan.”
Case closed, God! Big Pharma won!
He isn’t saying high ldl-c is ok, he’s actually very cautious to tell people to work with their doctors. He’s saying we do not know if the comparison with FH is valid, there’s a study in progress that will produce novel findings in this particular subgroup of people on low carb with normal bmi, high ldl-c, low triglycerides, and high hdl-c. Until we have long term studies on this triad, we can’t definitively say that it’s equivalent to the cardiovascular risk seen in FH cases, it’s not apples to apples. So let’s get more studies on this.
@@to-tx2szbecause grifters grift. I saw this movement transpire in real time from the time Shawn baker had 100 followers. It's an absolute cult and the sheep have been brainwashed throwing their money at these charlatans
Would love to see Derek talk to Dave Feldman!! The lipid energy model is fascinating.
Derek where you at?!
quit, he has business now and he doesn't need youtube
This was one of my favorite channels... sad to see it's dead. I thought he enjoyed being a UA-camr and creating content to help his community that he had built, but I guess he has more important things to focus on now, such as Marek Health, Gorilla and other commitments. I don't blame him. But just one video a week would have gone a long way. I hope he eventually comes back, but I won't get my hopes up. I wish him all the luck and success in the world. The content he created will forever be educational and entertaining for both natural and enhanced lifters/athletes.
He is doing other platforms it seems
Derek used to be like a cool older brother. Now that he's "famous" he forgot about his day ones.
He doesn’t owe anyone videos he’s done them for a long time and maybe doesn’t enjoy them anymore or wants to pursue his brand more. We are not entitled to anything
@@jacksonmires7174 it's just human nature to forget day 1's when you get big, I suppose. Damn shame.
@@tylercooper9090????? it’s a youtube channel bro… owes his viewers nothing lol. u liked his content and u watched it? good for u. plus he’s wayyyy too busy now for a small time youtube channel
@@tylercooper9090 I think your a little delusional because you may think your a day one but he doesn’t know you and you don’t know him. His real day ones are his friends and family which you are neither unless you are and I don’t know about it. Like I said he doesn’t owe anyone anything unless they helped him along the way.
@jacksonmires7174 Oh, like the fans who purchased his supplements and supported him when he was just starting his business? Guess he owes A LOT to A LOT of people. I'm not saying you have to agree but to say he owes nothing to his audience that supported him, especially in his early days is incorrect. You're entitled to your own opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I think he's shit, now. But go off bro, First Amendment and all that.
I know im one guy but I'm putting my hat in the ring and saying I miss the more structured content. Seeing a new upload and it's some snippet from a podcast or some other dude doing most of the talking is disappointing. Respect you're a busy dude just letting it be known.
Ryan Garcia video incoming
Lmaooo frrr that’s why I’m here 😂
@@lekanosagie we need him back for this one
Why didn't he bring up oxidized LDL? That's an important distinction
Was wondering the same. They had nothing whatsoever to say about the purpose of cholesterol and its uses in the body. It would seem to me that this would be pertinent information for this discussion. It's as though using big words and condescending are good enough arguments in and of themselves.
Because Attia is a moron
Because it's junk nothing burger. Attia is fighting "dogma" with older dogma. They left out a bunch of pertinent data and proper stats analysis. Like a UN/WHO talking point script.
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@@Pun_Soloevidently these days "Bullsh*t Talks, and Money Walks"
Hey Derek, I have a question? Is it possibly a good idea to do monotherapy after pct? “My friend” was running Test/Deca/Tren/Mast for 10 weeks, switched over to TRT for 4 weeks, then cleared out for two weeks before starting pct. Currently dosing Clomid/Nolva/Proviron and Cialis. After pct, would it be a good idea to then switch over to Enclomiphene monotherapy for maybe 8 weeks, coming off for two to let levels balance back out, then hop back on cycle? Thanks dude!
Peter should read the Citizen Science Foundation study published recently.
It basically compares two very similar healthy middle aged groups with one having a "normal" diet and LDL at 123 vs another group having a Keto diet and LDL at 272 for 4+ years
Results: No statistical difference in arteriosclerosis. And the Keto group was trending better. Yeah...
There you go: the [fill the blank diet] that offsets LDL harm seems to be the Keto diet
"But Marge, you can prove anything with statistics.......seven out of ten people know that" Homer J. Simpson
Good interview. Made me actually interested enough to dust off an ole college genetics book so I could understand most of the conversation.
Another banger from Attia, this one he covers “Don’t eat meat,go with pharmaceutical lipid control instead”
Another banger from rando #213, dipped in vague generalities and big-pharma-bad sauce, you got an actual fucken argument or salient point to make or are you, like so many in this comment section, also absolutely ignorant about ApoB and the medication that lowers it ?
Also, quick question, do you keep the same energy with supraphysiological anabolics and hormones or are you a trenbro that doesn't have an efficacious dosage of functional cranial nervous tissue ?
I was planning on skipping my local butcher to instead get referred for pharmaceutical lipid control but then I remembered the pharmacies and walk-in clinics here in ontario have closed or the staff moved to Alberta because they refused the mystery juice mandates from said pharamaceutical establishments. RIP Joesthetics.
Hot damn, ribeye steak it is.
What? He's talking about people at much higher risk.
Loves a statin, ol' Attia
He didn't say that. He's basically saying high LDL is causal in developing atherosclerosis, so making sure it isn't high is important. It's standard medical advice. Crazy how that has become so controversial in some circles these days.
Hi derek. I know this has nothing to do with this video but i have a question. Im currently using propecia and want to start naturally boosting testosterone. My plan is to start lifting weights to put on muscle and lose fat, eat steak and eggs more often, and start taking magnesium and vitamin d3 supplements. So if those things naturally increase my testosterone, then will my finasteride then be less effective because my testosterone is high so my dht is higher?
Hey Derek I love the channel I have been watching for couple years now and I finally feel confident enough to ask questions,I was hoping you do consultations,thank you
I have FH and statins+plant based diet brought my LDL from 290 to 70. I have 60% blockage. My brother had FH and unfortunately had his symptoms overlooked and died from 95% blockage.
Jesus! That's so sad. I have FH too, but my ldl is around 148 and I am in my mid Forties. I eat clean and workout 5 days a week, but still struggle with elevated ldl cholesterol numbers.
@Shankar-Bhaskar my brother was a competitive road cyclist and myself a former marathoner(injuries). Keto alone made my #'s go up. Plant based alone kept them steady but didn't lower them until I added atorvastatin.
@@stevef7814
Well, thankfully I am not on Keto, and don't plan on being on it in the future.
I hope I can avoid statins for as long as I can. Currently, I run 50 kms or 31 miles a week and also eat mostly a plant based diet with the occasional dairy products.
@Shankar-Bhaskar coronary calcium score is a good way to track potential build up. It won't show soft plaque, so it's not full proof. If score is zero risk very low. If it starts showing presence low dose statin worth trying. I don't have side effects at 20mg/day.
Could you check apo b? There can be a discordance
Test apob, cac, and fasting insulin, hdl: triglyceride ratio.
LDL is not the cause of heart disease but can increase risk if other negative factors exist. This is an over simplified description. Dr attias comments generally on heart disease are out dated relating to LDL.
We never knew how blessed we were with daily derek content. Happy that he made it big, just wish he could come around more often.
This is Peter’s channel now. 😂 Derek is a guest.
I didn’t hear anything this man said & I watched the whole thing
Dude I’ve been married for 12 years. I know this skill very well
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@@rahowa88 likewise brother!
@@TheCrapOnYourStrapOn my grandfathers domed trash like you. Can't wait to get my turn.
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This is a challenging topic because keto or carnivore diets have shown weight loss results and positive effects for specific conditions. I cannot seem to find a good study that looks at individuals with these diet models and the percentage of atherosclerosis development compared to others with a standard diet.
I would also want to see if there was indeed any clinical significance between people with FH and the risk of developing atherosclerosis with the low-carb diet models.
If i understand Dr. Attias discussion correctly, one aspect of FH that is key to longevity and risk reduction is early identification and treatment with statin therapy for optimal outcomes. I'd really be interested to know about case studies where people following a keto or carnivore diet show atherosclerosis in the blood vessels. I keep seeing things regarding labwork, but not cases involving actual plaque accumulation. Also to be clear, I'm not pro keto or carnivore, I'm just genuinely curious about this topic.
Thank you for the work you do Derek. Could you please cover the kreulian wellness shot?
Question. Can I mix my chocolate emlt electrolytes to egg whites and drink it? Or does that cancel out any of the benefits when needing the protein?
Does Derek still work with his HRT clinic?
I miss the old MPMD
Derek absolutely left us in the dust... No video in months.
Where you gone bro?
He doesn’t care about us fans anymore. He milked us, used us for views and business and ran off into the sunset. Im unsubscribing
@@adama9798 well goddamn 😂
@@adama9798idk where your sense of entitlement came in but he doesn’t owe you anything dude. He can do what he pleases. If he doesn’t want to make videos he doesn’t have to. He likes his business more now and that’s not a issue everyone’s time comes and passes he can’t do this forever
I’m going to get a physical next week and have been getting my blood drawn and checked 3-4 times a year, which may not be enough, but has nonetheless made a big difference in my health overall with even this amount of screening and assessment.
3-4 times a year is more than plenty if you are not on any peds. Good on you for getting your health checked out.
3-4 times a year? sheesh
uhh that's way too often unless you're your own science experiment
Health OCD?
2x a year here. I'm a hw bb.
The arnivore argument is if your are not glycating arterial surface proteins and have very low inflammation and insulin levels then there is not a reason for cholestorol to start "sticking" in the first place- they believe it is there to act as a bandaid to damage caused by elevated sugar and inflammation driven by insulin.
Correct!
This was a theory that has since been disproven. Apo B is causal of arterial damage over time
Well said.
Exactly thank God someone gets it
I took cardarine around the age of 18 got off it and have been having hair loss ever since any tips? 19 almost 20 now
Saladino touches on this. Oxidized LDL is the problem, not LDL altogether. LDL wont oxidize if comprised of saturated fats, and not things like linoleic acid or other PUFAs.
“Buy and take these pills your entire life”
Peter is a shill now.
Can you do a video discussing Bryan Johnson’s blueprint reverse aging protocol? Im also curious to hear your thoughts on his polyphenol rich extra virgin olive oil.
i love the new MPMD and the old one! keep progressing Derek.
Derek did you forget about us?😢
We need Tren Horror Stories man.
Hi Derek, I've been really wanting to learn more about hormone enhancing or changing supplements, I've been getting most of my solid information from your channels and podcast, I've been able to find most information I'm curious about from you, with the exception of anavar.
Please create a full depth vid of anavar, I struggle to find as trustworthy creators like yourself that have covered anavar, I would think a lot of people would appreciate an anavar video as well. Thank you
I think I might have FH(genetically high LDL), but I started statin therapy (crestor 20mg) since I was in my early 20s and I'm almost 41 now. Is there anything else I can be doing supplements or exercise wise that can reduce my risk of atherosclerosis? I take Curcumin to reduce inflammation throughout the body, but you said reducing inflammation in the circulatory system doesn't help in this case? I also just started taking a combo supplemeny containing Pycnogenol and Centellicum (got kola) that's been shown to help stabilize existing plaques and reduce there size over time. Thank you. Oh and ive also been proactive about my elevated BP since my 20s with primarily Telmisartan. I've tried to be proactive since my 20s with treatment medications. Also forgot to mention I take Metformin for the weight loss and potential anti-aging benefits and im not diabetic.
You're living the "normal life" he described in the video. What's the issue? 😊
Attia has super outdated information on all things considering high ldl. Which is a shame.
Agreed.
Imagine being this guy; some dude named "divine fapper", trying to sell us that one of the leading longevity authorities in the world, who is an actual doctor, scientist, surgeon and athlete, who posts on his channel at least weekly, inviting experts and guests that have spent their lives studying, analyzing everything from rapamycin to murine models, who understands literature at least ten times more than the average viewer, who runs a clinic where I know for a fact that millionaires frequently visit, has OUTDATED views on one of the most well-established, well-studied and well-documented cornerstones of pathology, its etiology and its effective treatment and prevention.
Just imagine that for a second. And then read his comment again. This is hilarious.
Not really, he’s up to date. People who still fap to claims of ldl not meaning anything are just delusional.
@@emperorpalpatine9841 Palpatine actually making sense feelsdarksideman
You're delusional.
Dude ditched his viewers
Confusing conversation: first he said it is defined by the phenotype and not the genotype which I believe means if LDL > 190.
But then he says if you can get diagnosed via a genetic test early enough you can watch out for it.
So are we saying FH (familia hyper chosterolemia) is a genetic thing and you should get a genetic test and if you have it, then maybe carnivore isn't the right diet for you?
However, if you don't have it via a genetic test then carnivore is fine?
What is the point they are trying to make?
No, FH can be and often is diagnosed a priori to genetics via biomarkers and family history. Our polygenic risk score banks are created a posteriori via accumulation from lots of people diagnosed. That bank is then fed back into genetic testing to assess an average genetic risk score for FH expression that must include bloodwork and biomarkers for final diagnosis.
With regards to the carnivore diet point, he's saying that carnivore in general puts you at such an elevated ApoB threshold that its risk for ASCVD (atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease) is massively increased. Some people online then dogmatically insist on whataboutism while pointing to things like inflammation, insulin sensitivity, metabolic health, weight reduction while on carnivore, etc. while ignoring the fact that we have done multiple studies on entire populations of FH-individuals and found that these other things do not slow down their progression of ASCVD almost whatsoever. Only medications that directly or indirectly impact their atherogenic particles significantly slow down their progression of ASCVD. That's why Attia brings up the "grandmom smoking 50 years no cancer" metaphor/analogy because people aren't statistically literate.
You pretty much nailed it spot on. Some people are just hyper responders to cholesterol intake, genetically speaking.
@@negativeslim Bruh
@@TheOneMastodon For many years, nutritionists warned that eating a diet high in cholesterol would increase cholesterol levels in the body and elevate the risk of heart disease. Although this is still a slight area of controversy among health experts, evidence suggests that this may not be the case. Instead, research shows that our genetic makeup, rather than diet, tends to be the driving force of cholesterol levels in the body. About 85% of the cholesterol in the body is produced in the liver, rather than from the cholesterol we consume.2 Additionally, it is believed that when dietary cholesterol is increased, the body compensates, and the liver starts to produce less cholesterol.
In the 2015-2020 US Dietary Guidelines, the previous recommendation of limiting dietary cholesterol to 300 mg per day was removed. For most people, a healthy diet can certainly consist of foods containing cholesterol, such as meats and eggs, along with fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and caloric moderation. Of course, eating massive amounts of food that contain high amounts of cholesterol may not be recommended, either, as foods high in cholesterol tend to be more calorie dense.3
@@negativeslim Yeah nice pasta but Imma just stick with my bruh moment and not waste time unraveling your stuff. Cheers.
Guess I’ll go back to feeling like crap because these needle bros said cholesterol bad mmkay
Actually Peter was being dishonest as usual.
@@kerry_runs Actually, I'm starting to agree with that the more I watch him speak.
are they supposed to make a conclusion of your personal anecdote? There have been meta analysis combining every single major study done on cholesterol, the correlation with heart disease is almost not funny because it is so well understood. No offense I just feel like people try denying evidence because they themselves have found success in something. You can also feel relatively good while having high LDL levels
@@eirikmoen2359wrong. No one has diet from eating a carnivore diet or a raw meat diet.
@@MohsinAli-jt5rkI don’t understand what you just wrote, could you rephrase
Highfructose corn syrup and refined sugar, take this out of your diet and you can have all the fats you want.
But still, remember 9 cals a gram. Not to hard to reach your daily intake of TOTAL calories..
enjoy ASCVD
@@JungleIsMassivlmao tell that to blue zones 😂😂
@@nathanielalaburgDelhi that fact that you use blue zones as an argument means you know fuck all about this
@@JungleIsMassiv ooo tough guy tell me how I'm wrong instead of letting your emotions spiral :)
When Derek got on JRE I was so stoked for him it was like seeing a friend succeed. I did not know it would be all downhill from then. Now he's become a podcast bro who constantly associates with grifters
Although I don’t agree with this guy in the vid, calling him a grifter is dumb he’s changed his views over time and is always open for criticism and debate which has changed his views
@@chickentoucher55not this guy, I was talking about Dan Bilzerian, Alex Hormozi, those kinda people.
miss you derek 😭
Looking forward to you reviewing Neutonic!
Nobody knows fully the effects of carnivore diet its not been studied in micro detail .. but nuteition is mostly epidemiology
plz comeback😢
Yo Derek can you make a vid bout processed food and over the top sugar intake with its risks etc. And touch on the benefits of cutting that shit overall.
Would be a very interesting subject to touch, especially now when intake of those things is so high in US.
Sounds like you have enough info about it to know what you need to do
Can you do a breakdown of ryse’s new hydration mix or pre workouts?
1000x 0.001% is still only 1%
I'm often hearing carnivores often stating that their LDL is high, but its mostly "large bouyant" ldl and low levels of "small dense" which are the actual marker for health problems. I was hoping to hear Peter talk about that.
It's not about size, it's about the protein bound to the surface, ApoB. The higher amount, the figher stress on your cardiovascular system
@@zombi3lif3No one was talking about apoB 5 years ago and suddenly it’s a marker
@@rashoff I don't even know what that statement is suppose to mean.
Is it suppose to be proof that there is no link between ApoB and cardiovascular disease? It's just the latest hype?
Is it a conspiracy?
Please enlighten me
That's true! I recommend to take a look at Dr. Robert Lustig's lectures on cholesterol & sugar, especially on the triglyceride to HDL ratio. After going through med school, I can absolutely confirm that the average MD got about 1 hour lecture on nutrition, meaning they have no clue about nutrition. I've been on carnivore for a year and I've never felt better my whole life.
@@zombi3lif3 The size determines if it can go into the intima. Which large LDL can't. So it cannot cause CVD. Damaged OxLDL has higher ApoB and can enter the intima if the glycocalyx is damaged (by sugar or inflammatory particles). This is what you're referring to... but I'm sure you already knew all that.
Derek, can you please say what steroid is best for ACUTE strength and stamina increase? I’m not speaking of bodybuilding, I’m speaking of actual warfare.
Not interested in “getting big”, just want more strength and stamina, more energy too.
What’s your opinion?
Can you draw twice from a single dose 200mg vial? They say it’s not safe . Thoughts ?
Dudes making 100 mil a year, should also make financial videos, id definitely watch.
deploying an efficacious dose of comments that's conducive to agonising the algorithm receptors
Derek do a breakdown of Alan Ritchson's (Reacher) cycle. Most people agree he's on TRT but is there something else going on? Would love to hear your thoughts
You taking a break from post? Hope everything is well 💪🏼
Make a video where you discuss every medication and supplement you're on
Why isn't Derek making videos anymore? He was the no.1 youtube "fitness influencer" for a while
He has 3 businesses that are all massively scaling and taking off. That alone takes up 18+ hours of his time daily
@@tonyh134518+ hours a day 😂
Anyone know what’s happened to Derek’s A2 Supp? Seems like it’s been out of stock for months
Jacked Bro!! Keep up the Good Work
Hang on I want Peter to cite the study showing LDL causality? To my knowledge there is none only association.
Berenson et al 2002
Read it. Doesn't worry me
@@Tendomcgoobin So that is an association study! Just because it says risk in the title doesn't make it a study that meets the parameters and criteria for "Risk". So next time read the study not the title!
@Tendomcgoobin massive failure.
Can't even do basic research and just reads titles/headlines 😂
so what I am trying to get out of this is, that lowering LDL is key to reducing atherosclerosis risk?
usually, yes.
Measure apoB. Try to lower it.
Test apob, cac, and fasting insulin, hdl: triglyceride ratio.
LDL is not the cause of heart disease but can increase risk if other negative factors exist. This is an over simplified description. Dr attias comments generally on heart disease are out dated relating to LDL.
That's what I thought too. That his info was outdated. But then I watched videos on this from Physionic and Nutrition Made Simple (who both seem unbiased and just go by science) and now I'm afraid of my high LDL again. Everything else is good but I can't get my LDL down and don't even eat much red meat at all. @@Mrpanino123
It's more complex and nuanced than that.
Anyone claiming otherwise is suffering from brainrot
Funny. None of these guys look like they go to the gym. Ever. 😂
So are you saying just because I'm 64, had a heart attack and quadruple bypass, have high cholesterol, and high blood pressure, I'm a heavy drinker and somewhat overweight, my unsupervised freefall into the carnivore diet is a bad idea?
Why did he atop uploading?
Money
Grifting
What happened to Derek's uploads? Used to be twice a day
He has a networth well over 100 million and doesn't need to upload videos to generate revenue anymore.
@@ZidaneTribal93 Where did you get that figure from? Lol.
Obviously a millionaire, but I doubt that much. Enough to retire comfortably, for sure.
@@Cheximus He told us in his latest Peter Attia podcast.
@@ZidaneTribal93 well that's just insane.
@@Cheximus Yes but apparently Liver King has the same networth.
make another channel for short content like this we expect longer form on this channel
Yo Derek can you do a comparison video for Vita Hustles Load Boost and your PKA Lock and Load?
People become hyper attached to dogma which has personally assisted them anecdotally. Most people who have switched to carnivore did the first step of an elimination diet and felt better, because that’s how that works, then refused to begin adding items back in but still credit their feeling with the elimination of all even though they might be able to consume 20-90% of what they cut. Anecdote is a powerful thing especially when ability to interpret multiple variables is a difficult task.
Yeap. Going through this comment section, the average-IQ-blackpill strikes again.
What are things you should’ve add back into the diet? You mean greens and fruit? Or also other things?
@@tehnorthface4346I’d say that’s a good starting point, but it varies for everyone. It’s a process of experimentation
@@tehnorthface4346 those would be the first I would aim to add. Just because you can get them local and relatively cheap.
@@tehnorthface4346 some people are hyper sensitive to different things. You might be unable to add back anything with a certain type of carb like bread, maybe you can add some vegetables but those with high FODMAPs make you feel sick. Elimination diets done properly remove most things to return you to proper feeling and reintroduce things and tracking them to see what aspects might be triggering a response.
Derek I love you expanding your content, I just don’t want to see you fall down a path so many other content creators fall down. Ever since gorilla mind has been popping off the frequency of your posting has gone down (which is good means business for gorilla mind is booming) I just hope that you don’t forget the og stuff that your fans of this channel love, the Natty or nots, the breaking down what you think they use, STORY TIME (plz bring this back) these are what the people who really care about you as a creator want. I wish you nothing but the best with everything brother, take care
I'll make some content around this on the athletes podcast
Yo, there was an update with leos case. You should do a video about him again
I'm now paranoid about arteriosclerosis after a dirty bulk. I went from 160lbs to 250lbs in a year and after 7 months of cutting I'm 197lbs and feel fine but I fear I might have triggered it.
Was it not worth the vanity project? 😂
I'll just say carnivores in nature are not known to get atherosclerosis 😂
Can't say for sure it translates to humans though.
Dave Feldman might have something to say about Peter's FH strawman.
Another year and his study should be out and we might get some answers.
On February 8th, the Lundquist Institute completed the first visit scans of all 100 participants for the LMHR study. So published results could be out by end of Q1 2024
@@themekfrommars The hilarious part of this falsehood that Dr Baker keeps spreading on Rogan and other shows is that the Lundquist institute and the lead researcher is Dr Matthew Budoff. Budoff definitely believes that LDL is causal in atherosclerosis and LDL lowering therapy is preventative. How do I know this? He's my cardiologist and prescribes me both a statin and ezetimibe and follows my cholesterol panel during each visit.
That show say a lot that Baker keeps quoting a non published study to make a point (he's an orthopedic surgeon btw) and tries to override the actual director of preventative cardiology at UCLA with regards to LDL.
Dudes to busy selling overpriced preworkout to make videos for the fans who got him to where he is lol sucks to see this happen to one of my fav youtubers
Yooo I was not expecting this much shit talking in his comments😭😭yall spazzin, can nobody have success after grinding for soo long without mfs givin they r*tarded takes , shits crazy
@@papichulo8749Papi Chulo defender of pimps
@@papichulo8749people feel used 🤷♂️
Just found your channel this week. At first, I thought it was referencing dinner plates, not weight plates.
More plates more dates makes much more sense when you take into consideration the correct plate term, lmao 😂😅
Hope you continue!!!
Where did Derek go?
I honestly wonder why people are against doing more studies about the "unquestionable" cholesterol effects. Every study of a pure carnivore is immediately discredited, and many of the studies done are not pure carnivore, therefore irrelevant. Seems crazy that carnivore is treated as a taboo topic because it doesn't follow the standards that people have been taught. I have a hard time taking these carnivore talks serious because the point of science, and especially nutrition, is to always question what we know.
Theres basically only a handful of short intervention studies on diet, period. People complain it is too expensive to track everyone in a food ward. However, we could do dietary studies with the assistance of retirement homes.
@@-whackdretirement home is too late, too much damage and defects. Studies are best done on the very young. Younger and healthier the better, then see who lives and who dies and why. Or who develops what disease state or not. Yes, extremely expensive study: room, board, salaries, food, entertainment, location, and staff 24/7/365.... For 20+ years. Would be better to do as we do here in South America, we do studies on prisoners. Very controlled and not going anywhere. USA is against most prisoner studies and get wrapped up in human rights violations even if the person's are volunteers
Dave feldmans recent trials are on people doing keto who have an average ldl of over 350 and an average age of 50ish. 4 years of this level of ldl and all subjects have developed essentially no plaque. Very very interesting study
Nutrition is shit science because you can't control for confounding variables. I don't trust nutrition science. I only trust final outcomes.
@@bobo-bx8yjIssue is: plaque takes decades to develop, not years.