Love ur vids lots of great info... U have inspired me to get out and tree camp and play in the canopies I love it I cant get enough and my girls love it thats the best part about it so I dropped a few $k on some gear and now the whole family is climbing sooooo thanks for taking the time to make these vids
Hey, TreeFool! I know somebody else has said this in this video and you have had many people say this. But I would like to thank you for all your vids, just the other day I went on my fifth climb. I wouldn’t of been able to do it with out you. I’m using a RAD setup with the Petzl RIG instead of the grigri. Keep the good work up :)
Some other video idea it would be : Is it posible to make a long distance hike (like the AT which it's full of trees) and carry tree camping gear... What would it be the most minimalist light weight (not so many hard ware metal stuff) gear to camp on trees as much as posible all along that trial (in combination with low hamok seting in case of raining scenario)... Sorry for my English it's not my first language... Cheers Martin from Argentina by the way...
i love it. i heard a story of a guy who hiked across alaska (or somewhere like that) and carried a hammock so that he didn't get bothered by bears. i love going minimalist so thanks for the idea
I just sold my Rawland, I know, I am CRAZY! I loved that bike but my wife and I decided to put 100% into paying off our school loans. I am editing a video as I write this which helps explain the decision. But in summary, I could not pull my son in his trailer because the low trail geometry got too squirrely with weight on the back. Really fast gravel downhills felt sketchy although I never crashed. I want to focus on gravel racing so I am going back to 700c wheels and skinny's (38mm vs 47mm on the old 650b's), I had to use a crap ton of spacers and riser stem to get the frame to fit me (still felt a bit small though) so I am most excited to get back on a larger framed bike. Once we crest the debt-free mountain I will be purchasing a cx-type gravel bike (ex: salsa warbird, specialized diverge, cannondale topstone).
TREEfool Respect on the debt ! I put myself through college so know about that ! Those carbon cross bikes are light, strong and are interchangeable and a tad expensive ! You'll get there !
Hey what about a drip line for your hammock if your out and about and it starts to rain get some cord and cover the hammock up to the edge over the point where you put a drip line do the same on either side and then your hammock wont get wet or as wet
Great tip for hammocks, but he was talking about your main climbing line which a drip line wouldn't help with since it would just keep wicking down the rope. I would try to rig up a small drip loop somewhere that will stay put while moving around, but not cause too much extra slack in case of a fall. I'm imagining the climbing rope attached to a rigging plate with a ~2' dyneema tether run to your harness and a throw bag on the rigging plate to keep it hanging low outside the hammock. That gives you both a drip loop and no direct rope connection where wicking can happen. Disclaimer: I've never done this because I don't tree camp in the rain. XD
@@deluth4638 That disclaimer. You understand me! Haha!.... And I had never thought of putting a drip barrier in the climbing line. If I could add this to the video post-upload I absolutely would. Thanks for sharing guys! I'm tempted to give it a test now :)
Can I suggest webbing instead of rope choking the tree overnight? With the tarp have an anchor point up tree to introduce angle to rope taking it under tarp and use your short lanyard in line, ie, main line to locking carabinener (just under tarp shadow) to 1m rope to carabinener on harness. The water should then drip at the metal much the same it does with a carabinener or rings in the hammock lines preventing water coming down the rope, less creepy crawlies too.
Hey TreeFool! I'd also just like to say that your videos first got me into tree climbing back in 2018 and I've been loving it ever since, really cool stuff and I hope the recreational tree climbing community grows! Looking to try to tree camp this and next year, but have indeed discovered that hanging a gathered end hammock in a tree is pretty hard. I've succeeded twice. Wondering if the bat hammock would be worth a try! I know you mentioned you think it's not very comfy, but is it something you can get used to?
Well, a solo portaledge is the best of both worlds. Easy to set up and extremely comfortable. But if you want to try the bat hammock I'm sure you will get used to it. Just get a thick air mat like the thermarest neoair which helps spread the bottom out so that the shoulder squeeze isn't so bad.
Oh yeah, hammocking in the tree is still on my list... :) Question though: What speaks against setting up the load-bearing ridge line as life support and clipping directly into it for the night instead of having a dedicated TIP way up? (Of course this requires sufficiently trustworthy anchors for the ridgeline...)
Great question. When a ridgeline is taught and weighted in the middle it creates an angle that increases the forces of a fall on the two anchor points. You essentially create more leverage to topple both trees down. You can google anchor and degree forces for rock climbing to learn more.
@@TREEfool Man, didn't get notified, UA-cam's broken. Anyways, thanks for your answer! I had thought about this, too--but then again you are also suspended by the hammock while you're hanging out in there. The hammock anchors might have a slightly less acute angle against the horizontal, but I'm not sure there is a huge difference. Of course in any case, shock-loading the thing might be a problem. If you manage to make the trees topple, an elevated TIP might not help you, though 😅 So I would say that you probably shouldn't fall on a tension line if you don't trust the anchors to hold your 10 kN or so, but I don't see so much of a difference between being suspended by a hammock or a tensioned climbing line. What's your feeling on this? (Your new single-point hammock design should fix this issue anyway; I need one!)
Btw, I highly recommend the channel HowNOTtoHIGHLINE, you might already know it ;) On topic, I found this video to be quite useful to get some feeling of the forces involved: ua-cam.com/video/6sdQNsmMC4w/v-deo.html
Another way of doing it is get the middle of you're tarp drape it over you're ridge line attach you're paracord through both the middle gromets on either side with friction hitch then tie another ridge line under you're hammock and get you're tarp and attach paracord through the two gromets to you're bottom ridge line (I'm sorry if it this didn't make any sense i tried)
Great...great...great...🤗 happy...happy...joy...joy...👏👍👌ONCE AGAIN... Anyways... ok, one video I'd like to se it's an step by step tutorial of how you climb tha trees in all those diferent "tree scenarios" and how you hung tha hmk, and how you get into and out of it, and (as it would be few) and step by step cooking process...maybe🤔... Alrighty THENNN... Thanks 🌲🌳🌴🌵
Thanks for the ideas. I always write down requests in my future-vid notebook. As for cooking though? I learned that it is much easier just to bring no-cook food into the canopy :)
@@TREEfool Cooking... yeah well some solve that problem by DIY a hanging cooking set and there are also alpinist hanging cooking sistems that we can buy, but I just wanted to know your solution to that in case that you have one. Thanks though... ua-cam.com/video/JjLoG3vylto/v-deo.html
Alpine butterfly yes. Sideload a biner? The pros say no, I have done it before but that doesn't mean much. If you are worried just use a steel quicklink since they take sideloads better than alum carabiners.
I just bought good material to be abble to live a week in the forest but don't want to be eaten alive will I am sleeping lol - I know nothing about climbing, and I have a problem ; I cannot climb. Can I throw a rope over a high branch then attach it directly to one side of my hammock, do the same for the other side, then sit in the hammock, and one side at a time pull the ropes inches after inches until I'm at 10 feet high ??
I'm usually all-for weird ideas that have never been tested but this sounds like a really good way to injure yourself. never sleep higher than a foot or two unless you are wearing a harness attached to climbing gear.
@@TREEfool oh ok, so I have to forget about it because I can't use my legs to climb, maybe I'll try to do it another way; by building mini platforms with small tree trunks, which I can do with help - I won't forget to tie myself to a climbing rope while I'm in the hammock if I succeed, I'l let you know, thanks four your quick replay !
@@leschatsont9vies hey, sorry, if you mean you actually can't use your legs then I would look into mosquito hammocks bat hammock rigging system. He sells a pully system that allows you to raise the hammock higher into a tree while in it.
Hi !! since i saw your reply 2 weeks ago i am looking for a solution, please can you tell me what is the maximum weight for the bat hammock because I am not a light person ; can't find it on his website I can't use my legs it's true, just to walk ; April 15 I had to stop working, (I'm going to do physiotherapy) I don't want to compromise on security, many thanks for the advice ; I will also have to buy the pulley system, buying parts to make one is almost the same price so I prefer to buy from him I'm crazy ; no muney but I will cut on maaany things to buy this all ; I'm thinking to sleep in trees for many years ago as you say ; LET'S DO IT !
@@leschatsont9vies the mosquito hammock does not have a weight rating because it is not mean for life-support. You should never sleep without a climbing harness and climbing rope (these are rated to hold heavy people). So if you don't have a harness and climbing rope that is where you need to start. With all that said, the bathammock is built like a tank and should hold you even if you are up to 300lbs (just guessing!)
@@TREEfool no not a palm tree I have in some kind of oak with just a hammock and my two hands the way I see it is if I fall I fall but that doesn't worry me
@@yawningdog9894 I would argue that's when it's most important. This video is for beginners, and they probably don't double check before applying load wether it will slip or not.
cant believe no one has mentioned the use of rope around the trees? please dont do this, just use tree straps. a seperate ridgeline is one thing but especially do not use rope to suspend your hammock from
Are you familiar with arborist ropes? If yes, how do you climb without your ropes being weighted on the tree trunk? If you are not familiar with arborist ropes (11mm+) then I will be the first to inform you that they do not cut through bark like small hammock cords do so it is a non issue.
Love ur vids lots of great info... U have inspired me to get out and tree camp and play in the canopies I love it I cant get enough and my girls love it thats the best part about it so I dropped a few $k on some gear and now the whole family is climbing sooooo thanks for taking the time to make these vids
Absolutely! I'm psyched to hear that tree climbing is bringing family together. I can't wait to start bringing my son into the canopy!
I'm so inspired to watch your videos., Nice.
Glad you like them!
thank you so much, completely new mindset brought to hammock camping. so much new to consider
Hey, TreeFool! I know somebody else has said this in this video and you have had many people say this. But I would like to thank you for all your vids, just the other day I went on my fifth climb. I wouldn’t of been able to do it with out you. I’m using a RAD setup with the Petzl RIG instead of the grigri. Keep the good work up :)
Comments like this make all of the extra effort required for filming totally worth it. Thank you so much for the kind words!
Thank you for making this video. I have learned so much from your easy to follow instructions.
I am always happy to help!
Some other video idea it would be : Is it posible to make a long distance hike (like the AT which it's full of trees) and carry tree camping gear... What would it be the most minimalist light weight (not so many hard ware metal stuff) gear to camp on trees as much as posible all along that trial (in combination with low hamok seting in case of raining scenario)... Sorry for my English it's not my first language... Cheers Martin from Argentina by the way...
i love it. i heard a story of a guy who hiked across alaska (or somewhere like that) and carried a hammock so that he didn't get bothered by bears. i love going minimalist so thanks for the idea
Love the idea of the hammock on prussiks, what a neat idea 👍
Thank you, but I did steal it from another arborist with the nickname hunabku many years ago.
Wish I knew about this 200 LBS ago.
:)
thanks for the FREE.99 knowledge
You are welcome.
Thanks a mill Treefool ;-)
Glad I could help!
Great stuff ! Like the idea of the single point hammock ! How's the gravel bike holding up ?
I just sold my Rawland, I know, I am CRAZY! I loved that bike but my wife and I decided to put 100% into paying off our school loans. I am editing a video as I write this which helps explain the decision. But in summary, I could not pull my son in his trailer because the low trail geometry got too squirrely with weight on the back. Really fast gravel downhills felt sketchy although I never crashed. I want to focus on gravel racing so I am going back to 700c wheels and skinny's (38mm vs 47mm on the old 650b's), I had to use a crap ton of spacers and riser stem to get the frame to fit me (still felt a bit small though) so I am most excited to get back on a larger framed bike. Once we crest the debt-free mountain I will be purchasing a cx-type gravel bike (ex: salsa warbird, specialized diverge, cannondale topstone).
TREEfool Respect on the debt ! I put myself through college so know about that ! Those carbon cross bikes are light, strong and are interchangeable and a tad expensive ! You'll get there !
Hey what about a drip line for your hammock if your out and about and it starts to rain get some cord and cover the hammock up to the edge over the point where you put a drip line do the same on either side and then your hammock wont get wet or as wet
Rockin! I wonder if carabineers work as a drip point since there is one at both ends?
Great tip for hammocks, but he was talking about your main climbing line which a drip line wouldn't help with since it would just keep wicking down the rope. I would try to rig up a small drip loop somewhere that will stay put while moving around, but not cause too much extra slack in case of a fall. I'm imagining the climbing rope attached to a rigging plate with a ~2' dyneema tether run to your harness and a throw bag on the rigging plate to keep it hanging low outside the hammock. That gives you both a drip loop and no direct rope connection where wicking can happen. Disclaimer: I've never done this because I don't tree camp in the rain. XD
@@deluth4638 That disclaimer. You understand me! Haha!.... And I had never thought of putting a drip barrier in the climbing line. If I could add this to the video post-upload I absolutely would. Thanks for sharing guys! I'm tempted to give it a test now :)
Can I suggest webbing instead of rope choking the tree overnight? With the tarp have an anchor point up tree to introduce angle to rope taking it under tarp and use your short lanyard in line, ie, main line to locking carabinener (just under tarp shadow) to 1m rope to carabinener on harness. The water should then drip at the metal much the same it does with a carabinener or rings in the hammock lines preventing water coming down the rope, less creepy crawlies too.
Hey TreeFool! I'd also just like to say that your videos first got me into tree climbing back in 2018 and I've been loving it ever since, really cool stuff and I hope the recreational tree climbing community grows! Looking to try to tree camp this and next year, but have indeed discovered that hanging a gathered end hammock in a tree is pretty hard. I've succeeded twice. Wondering if the bat hammock would be worth a try! I know you mentioned you think it's not very comfy, but is it something you can get used to?
Also waving hello from Buffalo, NY!
Well, a solo portaledge is the best of both worlds. Easy to set up and extremely comfortable. But if you want to try the bat hammock I'm sure you will get used to it. Just get a thick air mat like the thermarest neoair which helps spread the bottom out so that the shoulder squeeze isn't so bad.
Oh yeah, hammocking in the tree is still on my list... :)
Question though: What speaks against setting up the load-bearing ridge line as life support and clipping directly into it for the night instead of having a dedicated TIP way up? (Of course this requires sufficiently trustworthy anchors for the ridgeline...)
Great question. When a ridgeline is taught and weighted in the middle it creates an angle that increases the forces of a fall on the two anchor points. You essentially create more leverage to topple both trees down. You can google anchor and degree forces for rock climbing to learn more.
@@TREEfool Man, didn't get notified, UA-cam's broken. Anyways, thanks for your answer! I had thought about this, too--but then again you are also suspended by the hammock while you're hanging out in there. The hammock anchors might have a slightly less acute angle against the horizontal, but I'm not sure there is a huge difference. Of course in any case, shock-loading the thing might be a problem. If you manage to make the trees topple, an elevated TIP might not help you, though 😅
So I would say that you probably shouldn't fall on a tension line if you don't trust the anchors to hold your 10 kN or so, but I don't see so much of a difference between being suspended by a hammock or a tensioned climbing line. What's your feeling on this? (Your new single-point hammock design should fix this issue anyway; I need one!)
Btw, I highly recommend the channel HowNOTtoHIGHLINE, you might already know it ;)
On topic, I found this video to be quite useful to get some feeling of the forces involved:
ua-cam.com/video/6sdQNsmMC4w/v-deo.html
Another way of doing it is get the middle of you're tarp drape it over you're ridge line attach you're paracord through both the middle gromets on either side with friction hitch then tie another ridge line under you're hammock and get you're tarp and attach paracord through the two gromets to you're bottom ridge line (I'm sorry if it this didn't make any sense i tried)
Haha, I got it I think. I will give it a shot next time I am out playin with tarp setups.
Great...great...great...🤗 happy...happy...joy...joy...👏👍👌ONCE AGAIN... Anyways... ok, one video I'd like to se it's an step by step tutorial of how you climb tha trees in all those diferent "tree scenarios" and how you hung tha hmk, and how you get into and out of it, and (as it would be few) and step by step cooking process...maybe🤔... Alrighty THENNN... Thanks 🌲🌳🌴🌵
Thanks for the ideas. I always write down requests in my future-vid notebook. As for cooking though? I learned that it is much easier just to bring no-cook food into the canopy :)
@@TREEfool Cooking... yeah well some solve that problem by DIY a hanging cooking set and there are also alpinist hanging cooking sistems that we can buy, but I just wanted to know your solution to that in case that you have one. Thanks though... ua-cam.com/video/JjLoG3vylto/v-deo.html
@@shofarox4037 damn i didn't even know that channel existed, thanks man! I built my own version here: ua-cam.com/video/Z97zXgBBYiU/v-deo.html
Sideload a biner to srt into the tree? Bowline or alpine butterfly no?
Alpine butterfly yes. Sideload a biner? The pros say no, I have done it before but that doesn't mean much. If you are worried just use a steel quicklink since they take sideloads better than alum carabiners.
I just bought good material to be abble to live a week in the forest but don't want to be eaten alive will I am sleeping lol
- I know nothing about climbing, and I have a problem ; I cannot climb.
Can I throw a rope over a high branch then attach it directly to one side of my hammock, do the same for the other side,
then sit in the hammock, and one side at a time pull the ropes inches after inches until I'm at 10 feet high ??
I'm usually all-for weird ideas that have never been tested but this sounds like a really good way to injure yourself. never sleep higher than a foot or two unless you are wearing a harness attached to climbing gear.
@@TREEfool oh ok, so I have to forget about it because I can't use my legs to climb,
maybe I'll try to do it another way; by building mini platforms with small tree trunks, which I can do with help
- I won't forget to tie myself to a climbing rope while I'm in the hammock
if I succeed, I'l let you know, thanks four your quick replay !
@@leschatsont9vies hey, sorry, if you mean you actually can't use your legs then I would look into mosquito hammocks bat hammock rigging system. He sells a pully system that allows you to raise the hammock higher into a tree while in it.
Hi !! since i saw your reply 2 weeks ago i am looking for a solution,
please can you tell me what is the maximum weight for the bat hammock because I am not a light person ; can't find it on his website
I can't use my legs it's true, just to walk ; April 15 I had to stop working, (I'm going to do physiotherapy)
I don't want to compromise on security, many thanks for the advice ; I will also have to buy the pulley system,
buying parts to make one is almost the same price so I prefer to buy from him
I'm crazy ; no muney but I will cut on maaany things to buy this all ; I'm thinking to sleep in trees for many years ago
as you say ; LET'S DO IT !
@@leschatsont9vies the mosquito hammock does not have a weight rating because it is not mean for life-support. You should never sleep without a climbing harness and climbing rope (these are rated to hold heavy people). So if you don't have a harness and climbing rope that is where you need to start. With all that said, the bathammock is built like a tank and should hold you even if you are up to 300lbs (just guessing!)
How many milimiters is that first main ridge line...? or... How many kg or kN is it made to support ?
11mil pmi ez bend
11mm THANKS... but : "pmi ez bend" ¿?
What length do you prefer for your ridge line climbing rope?
When I don't use the tail end of my main line I bring an extra chunk of ~30 feet for the hammock
@@TREEfool Awesome. Appreciate it.
Iv climbed a palm 🌴 tree when I was 10 without any gear this guy makes climbing out to be a science just climb the tree
Did you sleep all night in the palm tree too?
@@TREEfool no not a palm tree I have in some kind of oak with just a hammock and my two hands the way I see it is if I fall I fall but that doesn't worry me
You are loading the klemheist in the wrong direction.
Ha! I didn't even notice. Thank you for pointing it out!
@@yawningdog9894 I would argue that's when it's most important. This video is for beginners, and they probably don't double check before applying load wether it will slip or not.
cant believe no one has mentioned the use of rope around the trees? please dont do this, just use tree straps. a seperate ridgeline is one thing but especially do not use rope to suspend your hammock from
Are you familiar with arborist ropes? If yes, how do you climb without your ropes being weighted on the tree trunk? If you are not familiar with arborist ropes (11mm+) then I will be the first to inform you that they do not cut through bark like small hammock cords do so it is a non issue.
@@TREEfool thats my bad, the climbing part isnt my forte i normally just camp so i was unaware. sorry about that
@@pserizoid Ahhh, no worries friend!
@@TREEfool you use a cambium/friction saver while climbing and use webbing to create anchors side to side for your ridgeline