It is astonishing how the minds of great thinkers can be duped by (what we must take to be) their emotional attachment to the idea of "God" and/or their presupposition that "God" exists. Swinburne is a good example. The first proposition you quote from him - assuming it to be correct - tells us what "God" WANTS. How can he possibly know that without first having demonstrated the existence of this "God"? He thus assumes that "God" exists from the outset AND that he (Swinburne) knows what is in the mind of this "God". Additional presuppositions are that this "God" has a mind, has desires and intentions. In the second proposition, he imposes (what we must take to be) his own ideas of beauty and ugliness AND assumes that the world is both/either beautiful and/or ugly. It could, in fact, be neither; it depends on the eye of the beholder. Therefore, looking for an "inherent reason" for something you, yourself, have assumed to be the case is flawed thinking. This is bad philosophy. It will only persuade those who make the same presuppositions and have similar ideas of "God" and "beauty" to Swinburne.
We don’t need continual decades of essays and calculations and philosophy to just STOP. To look around us and see that literally the perfection of everything isn’t created by nothing. The sun and how its always at the same speed every day at the right distance to us, and how the night and day are the right lengths with an earth full of plants and fruits and animals which we ride, drink pure milk from (which comes between blood and other insides), how we can ride boats and everything. And if you still want raw calculations then the absolute right level of gravity etc. Like before throwing the “this is the xyz argument, u are using old arguments” and just labelling and shoving it aside: sometimes u gotta step away from the calculators and just stop and ponder. Make fun of this all you like, anyone who tries to argue this is out of his mind in all honesty.
@@humanaccount2754 "... the perfection of everything ..." - Do you really think everything is perfect? That worm that buries into the eyes of children, causing blindness ... cancers in children, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes ... this is all "perfection"? You cannot be serious. "... isn't created by nothing." - The only people who claim it is "created" - a loaded term to start with - by "nothing" are theists. They literally think their "God" spoke a magic spell and everything came from nothing. Find me an atheist who asserts that everything came from nothing and I will go and tell her/him personally that s/he is talking nonsense. I do not think you will find one. You have been misled. Many of us were. The time has come to put the beliefs of our comparatively primitive ancestors behind us.
@@humanaccount2754 don’t argue with Talmudic Kabbalah reading Jews who lurk on UA-cam trying every so hard to shatter your faith of the author of all things . They only believe in the material world and act accordingly as if will not be held accountable for their is no afterlife and they are ‘ chosen ‘ anyway nevertheless in the material world by Moloch ( not the Abrahamic God ) to carry misdeeds onto the goyim . One of those misdeeds is lurking around here on UA-cam like the perpetual trolls Moloch created intended . .
@@Nai61a If you were paying attention, you would have noticed the disclaimer at the beginning of the video stating this wasn't to persuade or dissuade or discuss counter arguments because this was merely to introduce. 0:06 and the language he used in the video: "he postulates", "he argues", "he theorized." He's clearly not promoting these as facts. I think your presuppositions of this channel's content, cloud your ability to take in new information. Many philosophers would say that's the most common and worst thing you can do to stop learning.
@@Quantum_Nebula "I think your presuppositions of this channel's content cloud your ability to take in new information." - I think your presuppositions about me cloud your ability to see that I was simply interpreting your use of the word "awesome" as approval of the "God" endorsements in the video. That is not an unreasonable interpretation, but it could be wrong, and what you have written here suggests that I WAS wrong. Are you, in fact, a believer in the existence of some kind of "God"? In more general terms, I engaged with the video as if it were indeed presenting the arguments impartially, as my comment elsewhere demonstrates. As to the channel's content, I make no judgement. I believe this is the first of their videos I have ever watched. I shall be interested to see with what force they present the opposing arguments, if/when they do. "Many philosophers would say ..." - Philosophers of religion can go take a running jump. Philosophy of religion is a sophisticated kind of story-telling, the modern equivalent of the fiction of old. It is basically making stuff up about stuff that's made up.
@@Nai61a well on that level they are no more nor any less convincing than the philosophical story tellers who try ever so hard ( too hard really ) to shatter belief in God to those who do believe . They should hope they are right because after they depart this world they will have some explanations to offer but to no avail . No , this isn’t an argument nor any basis to believe , meaning if one doesn’t than they will be damned so they at least should . Not at all . However living life in the certain mold we think that God “ theoretically “ would intend is just as fulfilling for oneself even if he doesn’t exist . To live like their is no God is simply to be bound and beholden to nothing . That position is very convenient for those that try and justify their misdeeds on Earth because ultimately they are nihilists and nihilism , at least in my humble opinion, is rather drab and depressing . It’s no wonder how many of them wander off into the abyss and commit suicide. I’d much rather at least try to visualize this God and pray that he does indeed have plans for us - even if he doesn’t . But hey there is only one way to find out . Right ? I guess we will both find out.
The argument from beauty is idiotic. If you look at any person, the odds that they would exist given their name, demographics, family, education ect. is essentially zero. Yet, there are over 7 billion unique people on the planet. Saying something is very unlikely is not the same as saying it can't happen. Rare things DO happen, rarely.
Plus beauty is subjective. What one considers beauty could be anathema to another. For example, I might find beauty in martial arts, whereas another might find senseless violence.
@@sergiocalcio9481 brother I hate to say it, but some of the things you've done in your life you will burn in hell for. Jesus believed in community, love, understanding, courage. You are weak. You are scared. You are useless
the irony that you literally just made the argument for beauty, you just don't understand philosophy. you're own argument that the chances are so low, but it still happened, not once but billions upon billions of times is the argument in itself. random chance doesn't happen over and over again in the same place, that leads to deliberate action.
hey man i usually love ur vids (i remember the train and plane ones and they were sick) but i wud like to say that, 1) depicting God is totally disrespectiful 2) showing God to be Jesus, or anybody for that matter. No rudeness to any Christians: tho i got maaad respect for the noble prophet, but he is a human after all. 👊
Nah Jesus is Yahweh. Christians been depicting God in Holy Icons for 2000 years. All your points just sound like classic Islam which came 650 years after Christ and directly contradict the scriptures (ishmael vs Isaac on the mountain, mecca didnt exist before islam)
*Blinks several times" earth is comprised of the 118 elements of the periodic table.... You would think a proper God would not coerce his followers to destroy records and research of this like with science, history and a diverse number or different cultures and ancient literature....
here we are with someone to question the universe and its laws. You can’t do something as trivial as 1034*1004526 without a calculator so how r u gonna now argue the wisdom of the universe’s being etc?? “Proper God” - on what basis are u telling the world what God should and shouldn’t be like? Nothing but arrogance nl, know your place: u came out of the same place ur parents urinate.
Blinks several times and yet you are here . Maybe one day he will teach all that missing science and history to you personally if you show a certain humility and understanding on Earth . Or else you might miss out on the greatest mystery never told.
there are only 94 natural elements. the other 24 are synthetic. also, no currently practiced religion has ever had "destruction of knowledge" as a religious declaration by god. You're probably trying to refer to the "dark ages" which never happened. you are just uneducated on the actual history of the world and have bought into propaganda. Galileo was not punished for trying to spread the heliocentric model, he was exiled for talking shit about the pope. Copernicus had developed the heliocentric model and it had been widely accepted by the state and the church more than 50 years before Galileo was even born.
I agree with you, but those are the arguments thinkers have used throughout history to try to argue for a god. But yeah, they're mostly pretty weak and make some big assumptions.
@@thejinn99 no less and no more weak than the arguments posed by those who try ever so hard ( very peculiar really ) to try and disprove God to those who believe in him .
It is astonishing how the minds of great thinkers can be duped by (what we must take to be) their emotional attachment to the idea of "God" and/or their presupposition that "God" exists. Swinburne is a good example. The first proposition you quote from him - assuming it to be correct - tells us what "God" WANTS. How can he possibly know that without first having demonstrated the existence of this "God"? He thus assumes that "God" exists from the outset AND that he (Swinburne) knows what is in the mind of this "God". Additional presuppositions are that this "God" has a mind, has desires and intentions.
In the second proposition, he imposes (what we must take to be) his own ideas of beauty and ugliness AND assumes that the world is both/either beautiful and/or ugly. It could, in fact, be neither; it depends on the eye of the beholder. Therefore, looking for an "inherent reason" for something you, yourself, have assumed to be the case is flawed thinking.
This is bad philosophy. It will only persuade those who make the same presuppositions and have similar ideas of "God" and "beauty" to Swinburne.
We don’t need continual decades of essays and calculations and philosophy to just STOP. To look around us and see that literally the perfection of everything isn’t created by nothing. The sun and how its always at the same speed every day at the right distance to us, and how the night and day are the right lengths with an earth full of plants and fruits and animals which we ride, drink pure milk from (which comes between blood and other insides), how we can ride boats and everything. And if you still want raw calculations then the absolute right level of gravity etc. Like before throwing the “this is the xyz argument, u are using old arguments” and just labelling and shoving it aside: sometimes u gotta step away from the calculators and just stop and ponder. Make fun of this all you like, anyone who tries to argue this is out of his mind in all honesty.
@@humanaccount2754 "... the perfection of everything ..." - Do you really think everything is perfect? That worm that buries into the eyes of children, causing blindness ... cancers in children, tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes ... this is all "perfection"? You cannot be serious.
"... isn't created by nothing." - The only people who claim it is "created" - a loaded term to start with - by "nothing" are theists. They literally think their "God" spoke a magic spell and everything came from nothing. Find me an atheist who asserts that everything came from nothing and I will go and tell her/him personally that s/he is talking nonsense. I do not think you will find one.
You have been misled. Many of us were. The time has come to put the beliefs of our comparatively primitive ancestors behind us.
@@humanaccount2754 here's your clown emoji. 🤡🤡🤡
@@humanaccount2754 don’t argue with Talmudic Kabbalah reading Jews who lurk on UA-cam trying every so hard to shatter your faith of the author of all things . They only believe in the material world and act accordingly as if will not be held accountable for their is no afterlife and they are ‘ chosen ‘ anyway nevertheless in the material world by Moloch ( not the Abrahamic God ) to carry misdeeds onto the goyim . One of those misdeeds is lurking around here on UA-cam like the perpetual trolls Moloch created intended . .
This is awesome, not confusing if your paying attention.
glad you enjoyed it!
Quantum Nebula: If you are paying attention, you will see that it is full of holes.
@@Nai61a If you were paying attention, you would have noticed the disclaimer at the beginning of the video stating this wasn't to persuade or dissuade or discuss counter arguments because this was merely to introduce. 0:06 and the language he used in the video: "he postulates", "he argues", "he theorized." He's clearly not promoting these as facts. I think your presuppositions of this channel's content, cloud your ability to take in new information. Many philosophers would say that's the most common and worst thing you can do to stop learning.
@@Quantum_Nebula "I think your presuppositions of this channel's content cloud your ability to take in new information." - I think your presuppositions about me cloud your ability to see that I was simply interpreting your use of the word "awesome" as approval of the "God" endorsements in the video. That is not an unreasonable interpretation, but it could be wrong, and what you have written here suggests that I WAS wrong. Are you, in fact, a believer in the existence of some kind of "God"?
In more general terms, I engaged with the video as if it were indeed presenting the arguments impartially, as my comment elsewhere demonstrates. As to the channel's content, I make no judgement. I believe this is the first of their videos I have ever watched. I shall be interested to see with what force they present the opposing arguments, if/when they do.
"Many philosophers would say ..." - Philosophers of religion can go take a running jump. Philosophy of religion is a sophisticated kind of story-telling, the modern equivalent of the fiction of old. It is basically making stuff up about stuff that's made up.
@@Nai61a well on that level they are no more nor any less convincing than the philosophical story tellers who try ever so hard ( too hard really ) to shatter belief in God to those who do believe . They should hope they are right because after they depart this world they will have some explanations to offer but to no avail . No , this isn’t an argument nor any basis to believe , meaning if one doesn’t than they will be damned so they at least should . Not at all . However living life in the certain mold we think that God “ theoretically “ would intend is just as fulfilling for oneself even if he doesn’t exist . To live like their is no God is simply to be bound and beholden to nothing . That position is very convenient for those that try and justify their misdeeds on Earth because ultimately they are nihilists and nihilism , at least in my humble opinion, is rather drab and depressing . It’s no wonder how many of them wander off into the abyss and commit suicide. I’d much rather at least try to visualize this God and pray that he does indeed have plans for us - even if he doesn’t . But hey there is only one way to find out . Right ? I guess we will both find out.
Music bed too distracting and loud.
Your paintings doesn't suck😂 ... Love your content..
Thanks a bunch. I feel like the drawings are getting better..hopefully.
I love this one so much.
why not to persuade?
you need to pesuade if you know
The argument from beauty is idiotic. If you look at any person, the odds that they would exist given their name, demographics, family, education ect. is essentially zero. Yet, there are over 7 billion unique people on the planet.
Saying something is very unlikely is not the same as saying it can't happen. Rare things DO happen, rarely.
Plus beauty is subjective. What one considers beauty could be anathema to another. For example, I might find beauty in martial arts, whereas another might find senseless violence.
Ok jew
@@sergiocalcio9481 brother I hate to say it, but some of the things you've done in your life you will burn in hell for. Jesus believed in community, love, understanding, courage. You are weak. You are scared. You are useless
the irony that you literally just made the argument for beauty, you just don't understand philosophy.
you're own argument that the chances are so low, but it still happened, not once but billions upon billions of times is the argument in itself. random chance doesn't happen over and over again in the same place, that leads to deliberate action.
This is too much for small brainer like me😂😂😐
hey man i usually love ur vids (i remember the train and plane ones and they were sick) but i wud like to say that, 1) depicting God is totally disrespectiful 2) showing God to be Jesus, or anybody for that matter. No rudeness to any Christians: tho i got maaad respect for the noble prophet, but he is a human after all.
👊
Nah Jesus is Yahweh. Christians been depicting God in Holy Icons for 2000 years. All your points just sound like classic Islam which came 650 years after Christ and directly contradict the scriptures (ishmael vs Isaac on the mountain, mecca didnt exist before islam)
Ok jew human account 2754
*Blinks several times" earth is comprised of the 118 elements of the periodic table.... You would think a proper God would not coerce his followers to destroy records and research of this like with science, history and a diverse number or different cultures and ancient literature....
here we are with someone to question the universe and its laws. You can’t do something as trivial as 1034*1004526 without a calculator so how r u gonna now argue the wisdom of the universe’s being etc?? “Proper God” - on what basis are u telling the world what God should and shouldn’t be like? Nothing but arrogance nl, know your place: u came out of the same place ur parents urinate.
Blinks several times and yet you are here . Maybe one day he will teach all that missing science and history to you personally if you show a certain humility and understanding on Earth . Or else you might miss out on the greatest mystery never told.
there are only 94 natural elements. the other 24 are synthetic.
also, no currently practiced religion has ever had "destruction of knowledge" as a religious declaration by god. You're probably trying to refer to the "dark ages" which never happened. you are just uneducated on the actual history of the world and have bought into propaganda.
Galileo was not punished for trying to spread the heliocentric model, he was exiled for talking shit about the pope. Copernicus had developed the heliocentric model and it had been widely accepted by the state and the church more than 50 years before Galileo was even born.
or the scar left by God in the belly button
It it were not man there would be no god.
The so called arguments are all logically unsound and none of them even get close to a god
I agree with you, but those are the arguments thinkers have used throughout history to try to argue for a god. But yeah, they're mostly pretty weak and make some big assumptions.
@@thejinn99 no less and no more weak than the arguments posed by those who try ever so hard ( very peculiar really ) to try and disprove God to those who believe in him .
why not to persuade?
you need to pesuade if you know