"If I learned anything during my time with the followers, it's that there's a lot of useful information in old books" "if you want to see the fate of democracy look out the window" Those are two of the best lines of dialogue in gaming history.
Yet these two seem hellbent that Bethesda went out of their way to make the factions as black and white as possible. I disagree. I think they did a good job of outlining the strengths and weaknesses of all sides. Did they have a bias? Of course they did, everyone does.
@@ultramarine40k65 I thought Bethesda were responsible for the whole shebang. I've never played any of the games, I was just absorbed by the lore, thanks to this playthrough. Looks like a great game (and series), it's a shame I didn't get to pick it up when it came out. Yeah, they're nitpicking, otherwise it's very entertaining.
I highly doubt that the writers were criticising the Roman society through their portrayal of the Caesar’s Legion. I don’t think they wanted to portray the Caesar’s Legion as being the post apocalyptic extention or successor of the Roman Empire either. They’re more so portrayed as being this Roman wannabe larping brutes than anything else.
Rome definitely did commit genocide and so did Caesar. Genocide wasn't that unusual in those times. Caesar even writes about how he exterminated a Celtic-Germanic tribe in the Benelux.
1:44. On your Caesar point, ceasar in game actually explains that he purposely distorted ancient Roman history and only used it as an aesthetic. He’s much more a critique of most Hegelian dialect interpreters. Also he was originally a citizen of the NCR so him using the Colorado as a metaphor for the rubicon isn’t to far off
Yes, their autism gets the better of them. Caesar: "...you can learn alot from old books...", "Total warfare" The two spergy gentlemen: "BUT ROME DIDNT DO THAT!!1!" Cool, Caesar didn't say anything about Rome engaging in total war, he said he learned about it from an old book and made a point about old books being informative... Also, why does the Legion have to bear a 1:1 similarity to the Roman Empire? It's just an inspiration, guys. "CHILDREN DIDN'T TRAIN FOR WAR IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE! THIS ISN'T SPARTAAAAAA!!!" Right but it isn't really Rome, either. There can be Roman, Greek and other inspirations too. Which there are.
Also, they keep pointing out that the man labelled "Caesar" isn't a faithful reconstruction of Julius Caesar. Why would he be? He isn't Julius Caesar, he's *A* Caesar. It's a title. It became a title after Julius Caesar took power. Hence the German Kaiser or the Russian Tsar (Cae-SAR).
@@mooseolini1447 Actually the Romans considered training for war was very important in a child’s education. More so than the Greeks who focused more on sport I believe. Men like Cato the Elder adhered to this Roman tradition and took their roles as teachers very seriously. Cato the Elder not only made his children hardworking, good citizens and responsible Romans, but "he was his (son's) reading teacher, his law professor, his athletic coach. He taught his son not only to hurl a javelin, to fight in armor, and to ride a horse, but also to box, to endure both heat and cold, and to swim well".
@@mooseolini1447 based this playthrough has a great premise but it has been ruined by the lack of attention to dialogue and lore and console commands it truly sucks because it has many themes that resonate with the streamers.
the bit with Caesar was infuriating the lore went right above the commentators head Caesar legion integrated certain elements from rome but it isnt meant to be a copy of it it is a slave army caesar explained how he needs its rome i.e new vegas its not le roman army 2.0 he even explicitly told the courier that he chose roman culture precisely because of how alien it is no legionare in the wasteland even knows anything about it.
What he's saying is that African-Americans have significant European ancestry after 200 years, around 10%. Fallout takes place 600 years after the founding of America, in a world where the culture never changed from 1950s America. Therefore it would be safe to assume that black people would slowly be assimilated into the white majority population, losing most of their physical racial traits and end up overwhelmingly white or very mixed race. Yet, in game, their appearance is still distinct. Many people have made speculations that in the future, there will be no more white or black, just shades of brown mixed race people. However, they are a bit cautious to predict that white Americans will remain majority white while the 10% black population would end up mixed race and very white in 600 years.
"If I learned anything during my time with the followers, it's that there's a lot of useful information in old books"
"if you want to see the fate of democracy look out the window"
Those are two of the best lines of dialogue in gaming history.
Yet these two seem hellbent that Bethesda went out of their way to make the factions as black and white as possible.
I disagree. I think they did a good job of outlining the strengths and weaknesses of all sides. Did they have a bias? Of course they did, everyone does.
@@mooseolini1447 Bethesda did fallout 3 obsidian did NV the writing is clearly superb kroogan is nitpicking
@@ultramarine40k65 I thought Bethesda were responsible for the whole shebang.
I've never played any of the games, I was just absorbed by the lore, thanks to this playthrough. Looks like a great game (and series), it's a shame I didn't get to pick it up when it came out.
Yeah, they're nitpicking, otherwise it's very entertaining.
I highly doubt that the writers were criticising the Roman society through their portrayal of the Caesar’s Legion. I don’t think they wanted to portray the Caesar’s Legion as being the post apocalyptic extention or successor of the Roman Empire either. They’re more so portrayed as being this Roman wannabe larping brutes than anything else.
Rome definitely did commit genocide and so did Caesar. Genocide wasn't that unusual in those times. Caesar even writes about how he exterminated a Celtic-Germanic tribe in the Benelux.
Different applications of the term. Caesar wasn't an Enlightenment eugenicist
1:44. On your Caesar point, ceasar in game actually explains that he purposely distorted ancient Roman history and only used it as an aesthetic. He’s much more a critique of most Hegelian dialect interpreters. Also he was originally a citizen of the NCR so him using the Colorado as a metaphor for the rubicon isn’t to far off
Yes, their autism gets the better of them.
Caesar: "...you can learn alot from old books...", "Total warfare"
The two spergy gentlemen: "BUT ROME DIDNT DO THAT!!1!"
Cool, Caesar didn't say anything about Rome engaging in total war, he said he learned about it from an old book and made a point about old books being informative...
Also, why does the Legion have to bear a 1:1 similarity to the Roman Empire? It's just an inspiration, guys.
"CHILDREN DIDN'T TRAIN FOR WAR IN THE ROMAN EMPIRE! THIS ISN'T SPARTAAAAAA!!!"
Right but it isn't really Rome, either. There can be Roman, Greek and other inspirations too. Which there are.
Also, they keep pointing out that the man labelled "Caesar" isn't a faithful reconstruction of Julius Caesar.
Why would he be? He isn't Julius Caesar, he's *A* Caesar. It's a title. It became a title after Julius Caesar took power.
Hence the German Kaiser or the Russian Tsar (Cae-SAR).
Also, also, your timestamp is wrong, it's 1:44:00.
@@mooseolini1447 Actually the Romans considered training for war was very important in a child’s education. More so than the Greeks who focused more on sport I believe.
Men like Cato the Elder adhered to this Roman tradition and took their roles as teachers very seriously. Cato the Elder not only made his children hardworking, good citizens and responsible Romans, but "he was his (son's) reading teacher, his law professor, his athletic coach. He taught his son not only to hurl a javelin, to fight in armor, and to ride a horse, but also to box, to endure both heat and cold, and to swim well".
@@mooseolini1447 based
this playthrough has a great premise but it has been ruined by the lack of attention to dialogue and lore and console commands it truly sucks because it has many themes that resonate with the streamers.
the bit with Caesar was infuriating the lore went right above the commentators head
Caesar legion integrated certain elements from rome but it isnt meant to be a copy of it
it is a slave army caesar explained how he needs its rome i.e new vegas its not le roman army 2.0 he even explicitly told the courier that he chose roman culture precisely because of how alien it is no legionare in the wasteland even knows anything about it.
Pretty sad that modern gamers cannot follow lore or comprehend its implications
1:14:57 what other choice does Benny have here? its the only way to see his goals come to fruition
25:20-25:50 I don't know what he's saying here but it sounds super racist
What he's saying is that African-Americans have significant European ancestry after 200 years, around 10%. Fallout takes place 600 years after the founding of America, in a world where the culture never changed from 1950s America. Therefore it would be safe to assume that black people would slowly be assimilated into the white majority population, losing most of their physical racial traits and end up overwhelmingly white or very mixed race. Yet, in game, their appearance is still distinct. Many people have made speculations that in the future, there will be no more white or black, just shades of brown mixed race people. However, they are a bit cautious to predict that white Americans will remain majority white while the 10% black population would end up mixed race and very white in 600 years.