Bluetooth audio requires lossy compression... which means the audio will be encoded on you computer and decoded in your buds. So, you're basically mastering with MP3 files which will yield different levels of quality depending on complexity of source material. Changing levels and EQ on your source forces the codec to change the relationship between what is masked (and thrown out) - so chasing your tail is exactly right! Not to mention that it's probably AAC which means you'd be compensating your mix/master for that specific codec - factor in the "bud penetration and angle" which is like trying to master from the hall outside your suite with the door open! 😁 That said, checking your finished work on buds or from the hall outside your suite are good practices!
Good observations; especially the bud penetration and angle! I did consider these things; but was wondering if it was worth delving into on this video? What would you say; better to cover these bases for next time?
@@panorama_mastering I'd say so. Even if an analysis isn't fully scientific it's good to consider all the variables. I have a half dozen "mix quality" headphones and I already know I'd get different results from each. Your upcoming Slate headphones feature should reveal similar... I'm hoping you compare mastering with VSX to Audeze to your monitors. I have the Neumann NDH30s which sound so similar to my KH310 setup that I have to check if my monitoring control is set to headphones or monitors!
Interesting experiment. FWIW, I don't even listen to music on my airpods. I think they sound bad and fatigue my ears faster than basically anything else if the noise cancellation or transparency modes are on (which is why I bought them). The good news is that I can leave them in mono with a vocal emphasis EQ (which is in the settings) for podcasts. The bad news is that after about 30 minutes of using them for that, my ears are shot for detailed listening for at least the rest of the day. I honestly don't know why those things are popular.
18:00 in psychoacoustics, reducing the low end creates a perception of loudness, so the idea is that yes there is DSP, but when you turn up the volume, the low end marginally reduces so that you don't damage your hearing but you get enough of a perceived loudness that you won't realise the trickery. I think AirPods Pro are GREAT for listening, but yeah, I wouldn't call them 'Pro' since they can't really be used for professional music production, mixing or mastering, particularly because of how much bluetooth latency there is! Otherwise probably the best earbuds I've ever heard/used.
Spot on; I'm going to dive into the backend settings today because a few people have flagged some of the user settings on the OS which may be accessed/on by default!
I loved this segment! I often do double masters to help myself adjust to both systems and this was rad to see a live comparison. The original master really does have that extra weight and you feel it way more than you hear it. Thanks!
I honestly think you would get it really close the more you do it. I use the air pods just to verify distortion as they show it right away but I use the corded versions. They are really good for mid range understanding.
This is something I've been wanting to experiment, too. My focus is more on those Chi-Fi In-ear-monitors which are usually like $40/$50. But I've tried them once and they are suprisingly really good. I'm currently asking my IEM audiophile friends which IEM sounds the flattest, uncolored.
Regarding the 'DSP limiting', i'm not sure how they interface with a mac (you may even be on windows) but I know that when using them with your iPhone that in the sound settings there is a 'reduce loud sounds' option. This is separate from the 'sound check' normalisation in the Music app settings. If you are on Mac OS and are using a fair recent version (which i'm not), it would be interesting if they have similar settings now in the audio settings. That could explain the DSP limiting characteristics you were hearing. If so it could be a setting you were unaware was on and that at least in that respect, they could be slightly more useful if it was turned off.
I believe it is very possible to master using earphones. It’s harder to get to know their characteristics but once you got your ear calibrated it works like a charm. Only thing sometimes is hard is evaluating low(est) end as they are more forgiving than a subwoofer bloating a room when you overdo it with bass . I did some experiments using my Dt 1770 pro when traveling and got some good results
Since you were talking about atmos in a previous video maybe you could do a review on how the “spatial” feature in logic translates with the airpods pro.
Thank you, also I was wondering how well they translate using the mp4 on an iphone (with/without headtracking). I’m curious how close they compare, & if the ios use’s the same playback as apple music?
Yo bro, do you have a complete video on a mastering chain that we can use at home if we are all digital ? l know you master in the box and end it with analog but is there anyway we can master only digital at home ?
I am buzzled wht is that kind of wrap around your keyboard? Is it somekind of membrane for the purpose that it would take away some reflections of keys? Sorry. I am just buzzled - or blind.
@@panorama_mastering lifespan of your trademark keyboard is wearing thin-- I was really wondering. like I don´t believe it to have any real-life use. But hey.. WHY NOT
Bluetooth audio requires lossy compression... which means the audio will be encoded on you computer and decoded in your buds. So, you're basically mastering with MP3 files which will yield different levels of quality depending on complexity of source material. Changing levels and EQ on your source forces the codec to change the relationship between what is masked (and thrown out) - so chasing your tail is exactly right! Not to mention that it's probably AAC which means you'd be compensating your mix/master for that specific codec - factor in the "bud penetration and angle" which is like trying to master from the hall outside your suite with the door open! 😁 That said, checking your finished work on buds or from the hall outside your suite are good practices!
Good observations; especially the bud penetration and angle! I did consider these things; but was wondering if it was worth delving into on this video?
What would you say; better to cover these bases for next time?
@@panorama_mastering I'd say so. Even if an analysis isn't fully scientific it's good to consider all the variables. I have a half dozen "mix quality" headphones and I already know I'd get different results from each. Your upcoming Slate headphones feature should reveal similar... I'm hoping you compare mastering with VSX to Audeze to your monitors. I have the Neumann NDH30s which sound so similar to my KH310 setup that I have to check if my monitoring control is set to headphones or monitors!
Interesting experiment. FWIW, I don't even listen to music on my airpods. I think they sound bad and fatigue my ears faster than basically anything else if the noise cancellation or transparency modes are on (which is why I bought them). The good news is that I can leave them in mono with a vocal emphasis EQ (which is in the settings) for podcasts. The bad news is that after about 30 minutes of using them for that, my ears are shot for detailed listening for at least the rest of the day. I honestly don't know why those things are popular.
18:00 in psychoacoustics, reducing the low end creates a perception of loudness, so the idea is that yes there is DSP, but when you turn up the volume, the low end marginally reduces so that you don't damage your hearing but you get enough of a perceived loudness that you won't realise the trickery. I think AirPods Pro are GREAT for listening, but yeah, I wouldn't call them 'Pro' since they can't really be used for professional music production, mixing or mastering, particularly because of how much bluetooth latency there is!
Otherwise probably the best earbuds I've ever heard/used.
Spot on; I'm going to dive into the backend settings today because a few people have flagged some of the user settings on the OS which may be accessed/on by default!
I loved this segment! I often do double masters to help myself adjust to both systems and this was rad to see a live comparison. The original master really does have that extra weight and you feel it way more than you hear it. Thanks!
Bang on! I'm glad I wasn't going crazy there ;)
I honestly think you would get it really close the more you do it. I use the air pods just to verify distortion as they show it right away but I use the corded versions. They are really good for mid range understanding.
This is something I've been wanting to experiment, too. My focus is more on those Chi-Fi In-ear-monitors which are usually like $40/$50. But I've tried them once and they are suprisingly really good. I'm currently asking my IEM audiophile friends which IEM sounds the flattest, uncolored.
awesome video, always appreciate the in-depth videos!
Regarding the 'DSP limiting', i'm not sure how they interface with a mac (you may even be on windows) but I know that when using them with your iPhone that in the sound settings there is a 'reduce loud sounds' option. This is separate from the 'sound check' normalisation in the Music app settings. If you are on Mac OS and are using a fair recent version (which i'm not), it would be interesting if they have similar settings now in the audio settings. That could explain the DSP limiting characteristics you were hearing. If so it could be a setting you were unaware was on and that at least in that respect, they could be slightly more useful if it was turned off.
Second person to mention this; I'll take a look at this more closely today and pin a comment with my findings!!
@@panorama_mastering awesome mate, look forward to it.
@@panorama_masteringWhat did you find out in the end?
I believe it is very possible to master using earphones. It’s harder to get to know their characteristics but once you got your ear calibrated it works like a charm. Only thing sometimes is hard is evaluating low(est) end as they are more forgiving than a subwoofer bloating a room when you overdo it with bass . I did some experiments using my Dt 1770 pro when traveling and got some good results
MM500's for the win on mastering on the road; I've had great results with them before!
@@panorama_mastering Cool stuff.
you mean the wireless ones? the sennheiser ?
I use them as reference, at the end of the end to triple check :)
Smart move;
Still trying to figure out that dynone plugin. Do you have a video on it specifically?
Not specifically; but I can!
how do you get the airport to work with protools? I only able to get it working via Loopback.
Add it to the protools agreggate device :)
Hi Sir, good work down, please. Which device are you using to link the air pod and the sound card.
The Airpods on a mac show as their own device so I just set my playback to them;
@Panorama Mixing & Mastering Thanks, sir.
What are your mains?
Neumann KH310A's
Since you were talking about atmos in a previous video maybe you could do a review on how the “spatial” feature in logic translates with the airpods pro.
Good idea;
Thank you, also I was wondering how well they translate using the mp4 on an iphone (with/without headtracking).
I’m curious how close they compare, & if the ios use’s the same playback as apple music?
Yo bro, do you have a complete video on a mastering chain that we can use at home if we are all digital ? l know you master in the box and end it with analog but is there anyway we can master only digital at home ?
Here you are; ua-cam.com/video/zYyaS_0CkGk/v-deo.html
I am buzzled wht is that kind of wrap around your keyboard? Is it somekind of membrane for the purpose that it would take away some reflections of keys? Sorry. I am just buzzled - or blind.
I never took the keyboard out of the plastic... it's now a running joke ;)
@@panorama_mastering lifespan of your trademark keyboard is wearing thin-- I was really wondering. like I don´t believe it to have any real-life use. But hey.. WHY NOT