As a professional auto technician obd3 has been talked about for for than 20 years in alot of the training programs I have attended. Very scary when the government gets so involved. Dependability and quality keeps going down as prices keep going up. All in the name of fuel economy and fake environmental concerns.
Too much govt involvement and invasion of privacy is obviously bad. But how is fuel economy and environmental concerns fake? These are separate issues.
As of November 2024, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that 18,720 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the first half of 2024.
@@07wrxtr1 biggest mistake the elite gave us. The car is freedom tool for world's average Joe's. They been kicking themselves in butt for about at least the last 70 yrs.
Some insurance companies offer trackers for older cars for "good driving refunds" just kindly decline whenever that's offered to you. The news is already ripping insurance companies for tracking on new vehicles.
I'll never forget when my neighbor told me he was worried about this. He's an old Vietnam vet so a very old school type gear head. About 10 years ago he was sitting in his truck at work on his smoke break when a voice from the truck scared him. It called him by name and then told him the free period of satellite radio has expired and asked if he wanted to sign up. He asked how they knew he was sitting in the truck while turned off and they said they could tell from the weight sensor in the seat linked to the airbag. He asked if they knew where he was and they described the location of the parking lot and surrounding buildings. I feel they have already gone too far. And don't get me started on Nest doorbells.
a person I know bought a decade old executive car ($100k+new) - someone rear ended him and the Northstar system came on with a live operator asking if they were OK and everything. This was a used car with no northstar account ever linked or swapped or anything. I think they should make Maximum Overdrive 2025 movie.
Possibly his phone, too, which probably linked via bluetooth to his car. They can also tell where your eyes are pointed, because even my Corvette tells me to keep my eyes on the road (when I was backing up out of the garage).
Government wants it, is it going to help find Venezuelan gangs that rip peoples fingernails off? No. Will it find a guy who spent 6wks wearing a fat suit, using cash, and walking to delete a insurances CEO denying people life. Yes.
@aygwm "They" are auto companies and insurance companies. They're the ones paying for the lobbying. And if you think this is partisan politics, let me remind you Republicans did just as little to stop this as Democrats are. They will do whatever their doners tell them to.
All of this just feels so evil and depressing, I grew up dreaming of driving amazing cars all through childhood. Seeing what’s on the horizon just makes me sad, so dystopian
Jumbo jet burns more fuel in one hour than my truck will in it's lifetime... and they have no emission controls. It was never about us, it's about control
You can easily put your phone in a Faraday bag or wrap it with tin foil to block the signal for tracking, but you can't do that with modern cars. There should be a privacy minded disable button to press in the car.
I've been without a phone for almost a year now, It's difficult to do a lot of stuff nowadays without one. My phone died and at first I was just too busy to go get one, however it soon became a personal experiment to see if I could get by without one. Honestly it's been an interesting experiment, it's not as easy as it used to be, good luck finding a payphone anymore. It's so funny when you tell someone you don't have a phone they think your lying at first, then they think your insane🤣. Anyway it's actually been fun, I use our ham radio repeaters phone patch when I need to make a call on the road, something that I haven't used in years. Funny story it was having issues and I brought it us at the last club meeting and half the people didn't even know we still had one!
I agree with almost everything… except squated trucks, they were dangerous (keeping in mind we have zero state inspection in SC)… their headlights, and steering angles, plus just poor visibility made them a huge issue to other drivers.
They are illegal here in IL This is from one of the laws - "to cause the horizontal line from the front to the rear bumper to vary over 3 inches in height when measured from a level surface"
What I wanna know as far as insurance goes. Where does my money go that I’ve paid for the last 5 years and never used it? All I’m paying for is to tell the state that I have insurance. But when I need to use my insurance after 5 years of paying thousands of dollars. My rates go up. Car insurance is the biggest scam next to health insurance
Just wait till you have paid insurance for 42+ years and never had a claim and they start raising your rates because your getting old. They never ask how many years have you been racing or ask you come do a driving test. At 57 I am a better driver than 98% of drivers with millions of miles more than the average person, especially at full throttle and late braking apexing a conner back to full throttle. A dumb kid 16 takes driver ed and gets a break on insurance, 49 years racing No credits ? WHY? Good drivers pay for bad drivers out of the insurance pool thats where the money goes and it's wrong.
My 1988 Cavalier Z24 is still on its original engine and transmission after 35 years, summer daily. 1993 Cavalier RS, scrapyard salvaged, rest-of-year daily. 1995 Cutlass Supreme, soon-to-be 3900 V6 swapped. I despise modern cars, they're all cheap garb passed as quality, most will experience major mechanical failures even after being babied around the time the warranty expires.
Everyone is mentioning keeping older cars running, which I wholeheartedly agree with, but also consider that motorcycles do not have any completely standardized diagnostic systems like cars do.
most modern bike ECU's store the last 30-60 seconds before a crash, the data can be retrieved post incident. My 2021 Kawasaki mentions it in the owners manual, including speed data, braking etc
Lots of people wouldn't be able to ride a motorbike or feel "safe" on one. I know I sure as shit wouldn't want to drive one to work all the time. Too damn cold out for that.
I do both, just rebuilt my '93 bike with high compression piston and a bunch of other mods. I just got another bike with points ignition. I'm working on an older OBD2 van with a bent valve, and i've got a couple of more vintage Honda Trail bikes to get going for my neighbors to ride. Soon i plan to build both a 'car' (more like a street legal crosskart) and a motorcycle from scratch. I also do bicycles, ebikes, and gas engine bicycles too.
My car is from the early 2000s, im keeping as long as I can.... the most advanced thing on it is a simple 50 dollar aftermarket radio that doesn't even have Bluetooth and I like to keep it that way. These 3 letter government agencies and auto manufacturers can shove it
@@bryede My 98 came with a cassette player, but I never liked the sound of "hiss" so I upgraded to CDs. Can't do that now. You have to pay for crappy streaming. I'll keep my 98 Tacoma until I die.
They will start making it illegal to plate and insure vehicles over a certain age. They are starting to do this in Europe. Japan has had it for decades.
I have been working on getting rid of newer cars because I'm sick of all the computer shit. I have a 66 Lemans and picking up a 68 Imperial this weekend. These are nice cars, not projects. I'll be selling my Escalade then start looking for a 71 Corvette for the wife. I know how to work on cars, but I can't stand all the unnecessary tech in cars. I'd rather get 7 MPG in a land yacht than have an $1100 a month car payment for something I can't work on.
They will force them to be destroyed. They will simply stop making spare parts for older cars and make insurance companies force there prices to skyrocket to the point where cars can't be covered on the road.the world economic forum says they want 80 percent of gas vehicles off the road by 2035.
It’s funny you think you will be allowed to drive those. They will be flat out made illegal or you will pay a massive environmental tax. I don’t agree with it but it’s what is going to happen.
What will likely happen is early OBD3 vehicles will get refit with compatible OBD2 computers. After a few model year refreshes, there will either be a high popularity commercial solution for the tuner crowd to make the power train independent of the body control systems or the more creative of us will hybridize their computer setup with an older computer that will do the actual work with enough of the original PCM intact to keep the cluster working. Or go for the simple solution and talk with your wallet and refuse to buy new vehicles with this tech installed.
I was thinking this exact thing, like there are aftermarket ECU's I think that you can put in your car, but I think you would really have to know what you are doing to set it up, for example the CarWizard had a old Ferrari that he had Jerad from the Questionable garage put in an after market ECU
I think OB3 will fail simply because newer cars are too expensive. People are daily driving cars from '07 I saw a '04 Neon that had historic tags. The car is over 20 it qualifies
I worked on F-22s in the air force. They burn through 2800 gallons of fuel in under 90 minutes. If they take off in after burner into a max climb, then its about 30 minutes.
@@stayinganonymous.3172 Rockets aren't even a rounding error in the overall emissions numbers. You want to address emissions, you need to look at China and India first, any other industrializing third world country second, and then the shipping industry. On top of that, chemically-powered rockets are the only game in town when it comes to putting a payload into space. For better or worse, they aren't going away any time soon.
Unplugged my satellite antenna. Dont use sat radio or the navigation. I get a constant reminder that the truck needs to go to the dealer. And a nanny voice reminds me of the speed limit (its wrong) 2014 dodge. This tech is obnoxious. Why cant I get a base model with no frills and the big motor? Keep the tech.
Insurance rates are already high. Could you imagine what would happen if somebody let about 20 million uninsured motorists do whatever they want? Oh.... wait
@@spectrumofreality i drive a 2013 mazda, but its a base trim MT mazda3, it still has its issues, but it feels like a car from the 90s, with a few extra features. too bad itl be illegal to own in a decade or two. its been good to me, and i really wanted to reset the odo, but i doubt that will be happening. i guess ill just have to seize the engine and park it in my living room once all is said and done. if cant drive, id rather die. truly. its the only thing that makes me happy a lot of the time.
Well said. I love Ford but hate the way they treat their customers. I remember when HP tried to do this with their printer cartridges. It didn’t work out so well then but these car manufacturers seem determined to make it work. Here in MA we have right to repair at least for now….😮
yeah I have always been a Ford girl but my Ford Edge was nearing its end of life so I was going to get another vehicle, my neighbor told me I should get a truck because they hold their value and that I should get a Toyota because they are known for their super reliability, so I got a 2022 Toyota Tundra and OMG such a difference with the service, I would drive my car to the dealer, they would then do all the service needs like oil change, rotate tires, look at breaks everything, and would not charge me anything because i have like a 5 year anything service wise is "free" ( I am sure that was probably baked into the cost of the truck but I got a good deal on it ) and they would even call me an Uber to take me back home and send an Uber to come back and get me to pick it up, I have never ever had service that was this good
@@Drewcardello yeah I am sure there are great ford dealerships just the past 3 cars I didn't have a good experience and the last car I got the radio kept on turning off and on intermittently and so I took it in ( I had the brand new car for like 2 months at this point, and they said to replace the radio it would be 1300 and it has no warranty, took me another month and a attorney to finally get the radio replaced
Your phone and apps are already doing this, and if you have Location Services turned on, on your phone, and agreed to sharing your data, you've basically agreed to share this info with your insurer. Your phone also knows if you looked at it, at a red light. It knows how fast you went, how quickly you brake. It probably also knows if you spent the night at someone else's house, let alone where you are at that moment. And it probably can tell who you associate with based on the other peoples' phones in close proximity to yours.
Easy solution: a mobile phone should be "for emergency use only." Do not upload your entire existence onto the thing. It's a phone. I know it's easier said than done with today's two-part authentication protocols and virtually everything else that demands you have this thing constantly at your side, but it can be done. Your life can be simplified; you just have to work even harder at it (ironic, isn't it?)
I prefer older "dumb" cars that don't connect to wifi for "updates", but some parts are harder to get for some old cars and older cars aren't as safe or fuel efficient as newer cars. For me anything newer than 2016 has too much unwanted tech in it like the lane keep assist that won't let you swerve to avoid an accident or object in the road. I also don't like direct injection causing dirty intake valves, plastic valve covers or oil pans, CVT transmissions and small displacement engines with turbos that don't last for as many miles as a naturally aspirated engine and I don't trust the thin zero weight oils. 5w-30 is as thin as I trust. If a car uses an oil that's thinner than 5w-30 I don't want the car.
The fuel-guzzling carburetors are the only reason why old cars suck up so much fuel. Newer cars are heavier with bigger engines and actually require more fuel than a 1970's mustang with a 1 barrel vapor carb. Sure they would be slower but older cars are by no means less fuel efficient.
Maybe older cars are less safe, but they can definitely be more fuel efficient. Fuel efficiency peaked in the 90s. Look in that era if you want fuel efficiency. A lot of the 90s hatchback got between 40 and 60 mpg
This has been going on since onstar it's more nefarious then hot rodding. So your throttle body is bad you go buy another... um car is bricked till a dealer programs it. Oh but wait we don't touch a vehicle over 10 years. You as owner decide I'll pay 3k and subscribe to software except it's not available as it's past 10 years. Basically they brick and scrap the car if a failure after 10 years.
They are unfortunate dilemma with that is eventually they’re gonna start banning or preventing you from being able to even get insurance on older cars. That is the Catch-22. Yes you have a really well running older car but eventually they’re gonna be like oh we are cars too old and it’s not compliant with our specs so you have to get rid of it otherwise You can’t drive it anyway.
@@skygirl341what about company’s like hagerty who insure classics. I think that industry is gonna boom under this. Unless the government gets involved.
You are completely right. SMOG checks here in CA definitely stopped caring about "emmisions". I failed my last SMOG test because I had an oil catch can! I asked the inspector how that is possible, the catch can makes the car run cleaner and ultimately more efficient by reducing carbon build up from my direct injection turbocharged car. He just shrugged his shoulders and said sorry man, you just can't have it
Passes AZ emissions a few years ago in a Nissan Sentra that was blowing black smoke out of the tail pipe because OBD 2 didn't send any error codes. Legally barred from sniffing anything OBD 2 {96 and newer). Literally legally required to fail your emissions because you tripped a left parking light error with a clean running car and pass dirty cars that don't send error. Not sure how this is helping air quality in southern Arizona.....
As a scientist your correct; we have done great cleaning emissions from tailpipes. Non issue. Global Heating:: Solar ≈ 1523 W/m^2 ; CO2 (all time) ≈ 3 W/m^2
Then add in the data from the fossil record and ice cores, and see the normal co2 level is between 4000 and 6000 PPM, we're sitting at 460-ish. 20 years ago we were around 230-ish. Much lower and plant life would have ceased.
I remember around 20 years ago the insurance companies were dying to get access to a vehicle's ECM after accidents. Surprisingly it got shot down by the government as privacy issues. So their legal loophole was to make it voluntary. So they came up with the "safe drive" devices to low jack your car. Basically shaving a few bucks off your premiums to gain access to your drivind habits through the computer. So this OBD3 sounds like final nail if implemented.
Two businesses need to become a bigger thing: 1. Vehicle restoration 2. New Brand of car maker, but falls back to Old'en day designs. Lets make simple vehicles again. Make the parts inter-swapable with any produced body, allow owners to be able to work on them again.
The later won't happen. The government mandates all that shitty tech in New cars. 90% of dumbass screens in cars are only in there because something like backup cameras are mandatory on all new passenger cars and trucks sold in the United States
This will never happen, except for small companies building cars for enthusiasts, because any company that makes a large number of cars has to meet modern safety and emissions regulations, which requires all of that technology.
I drive an 08 Silverado without on-star, this will forever be the newest vehicle I will ever own. I am currently in the process of building my next daily driver. 1953 Chrysler New Yorker with a mid 70's SBC powertrain. when ready the truck will be used as little as possible
OBD3 is here even if not by name. All OBD3 does is standardize what the industry has already begun to do already. What you drive is closer to a phone than a car you remember if you were born before 1995: It's a computer on wheels where you're a semi-active participant rather than a driver.
Rush is my favorite band. I immediately thought about the song, "Red Barchetta". Which by the way is based on short story by Richard Foster in 1973 "A Nice Morning Drive". Published in the November 1973 Issue of Road and Track. It's getting scary out here. One of my favorite songs, based in a dystopian future is coming true.
Most Will Reject, Not Having The Option Of DIY Repairs. Just Don't Buy From Companies Implementing These Schemes. Some Companies Need To Go Bankrupt For This 🐂 💩.
I've already been a victim to this. I bought a brand new 2021 Chevy Spark at the age of 22. By next year my rates spiked up to $500 a month, at which point I was forced to sell it. Apparently, GM was selling driving data collected from their car to my insurance company. I have vowed to NEVER buy another GM vehicle or anything from after 2020. If pre 2020 cars become impossible to own, I'm getting a bicycle.
“Red Barchetta” by Rush. Always thought it was a song based on a crazy sci-fi idea of the future… which it kind of was. But here we are. Stuff like this always reminds me of this song…
Rush is my favorite band. I immediately thought about this song. Which by the way is based on short story by Richard Foster in 1973 "A Nice Morning Drive". Published in the November 1973 Issue of Road and Track. It's getting scary out here. One of my favorite songs, based in a dystopian future is coming true.
"The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards - and even then I have my doubts. " -- Gene Spafford
I recently bought a 1990 4Runner because of many of the reasons you outlined in this video. Easy to fix, no surveillance, and reliability. My parents questioned why I wanted such an old car, and I uttered some of the same things you did to them. Also, I’ve realized that, with the integration of technology in every aspect of our lives, privacy has become a myth. There’s simply no such thing!
Very smart speech. Fully agree with you there. I can say that here in ze germany, and especially where I live, in the progressive Berlin, I even get looks of hate when driving my WJ. I belive countries like germany will be first in line for more surveillance and more gov intervention. Its crazy to me how obidiant and "in love" with the gov people here are...
Have a look into Yuri Bezmenov, he spoke of Ideological subversion, the greatest success was the US ARMY doing it to the German people after the war ended. The process was completed before I was born in the 1970's
As a hacker-minded person, I will want to find out how to disable OB3 on a new vehicle, even if it means reverse engineering the firmware and making modifications that turn off all surveillance and behavioral guardrails. I’m quite sure there will be a black market for services that liberate monitored or brushed cars.
Solution...walking, horse riding, bike riding..every action gets a reaction..geez can't believe we the people allow this kind of bullying by certain money hungry control freaks..yes if we let it happen it will happen just like some historical things of past..
your simple idea only goes so far , sure use a bike but when you need to get to the nxt tower over hope your company gives you a car because otherwise youd not going
The powers that be want to take all the land and force everyone to live in stack and pack citys by 2050.they want to return a 3rd of the land back to nature by 2035.
The ultimate plan is to make cars and driving as expensive and inconvenient as possible, and to force people to use micro transportation solutions like electric bikes and scooters. If you want use of a car, either you're rich and drive your own, or summon an Uber. You will live in the pod and eat the bugs.
I think I'm good with my 98 ZJ. Even though it needs some TLC, she doesn't snitch on me. As for Cats, well only one I have is sitting next to me. Life , Liberty and the pursuit of happiness comes to mind when trying to "control" these things.
Even OBD2 can snitch on you... I remember reading a column back in the day in Sport Compact Car magazine, where a guy in like a 1998 Trans Am got convicted of manslaughter when he sped in a residential area and t-boned someone backing out of their driveway, killing the person instantly. He said he was doing the speed limit and that the car backed out of nowhere. The forensics team picked up the ECU from his car as evindence for the case, and what the guy didn't know was that GM pretty much implemented a "black box" type function in their ECUs that records the last seconds of data in a collision. It was found that the guy was doing like 100mph, full throttle and never touched the brakes. IIRC, I think the article ended by saying the guy wanted to appeal because GM never disclosed to him that it had such a feature when he bought the car... I don't know how that case concluded!
I still have my 93 Firebird Formula,1 st yr of the 4th gens an it's a ob1 , they didn't start ob2 for Camaro/Firebird till 94 .. I heard back in the day when ob2 came out they had stuff like that in it
Fun fact, a 1950s pickup can easily get 20-25 mpg with zero tech. Now we have 8 times the power, less fuel efficiency, comfort that could almost shut a teenaged daughter’s mouth and, we still have to fight tyranny. That’s why I always wear my dirtbike helmet and keep my humer. Good luck out there!!
glad im not the only one who understands this. this is the main reason i have returned to teaching because obd3 technology is the end of right to repair; no more weekend warriors, shade tree mechanics, tuners, or independent shops (that are cheaper than dealerships). isn't our cell phones enough for tracking devices? and yeah, my paid off car is my paid off car, but remember, in 2030, you will own nothing and love it.
Wait for insurance to start raising premiums for driving an 'unsafe' older car. Next, they will go after 'emissions' to phase out the remaining unscannables... Brought to us by the PIC.
@@stayinganonymous.3172 yes but it will be cheaper than buying a new car and here you can just get insurance to payout for the car you hit and not your own called 3 party , people will not buy cars because they cannot afford or want them ill be long dead when they try that shit but who wants to live in a world so controlled anyway . so stupid how the humble car just to get people around from once place to another has gotten out of control .
@@stayinganonymous.3172 i agree , here insurance is not compulsory which i do not agree with and we have no emissions checks just a safety check every 12 months, but that will change oneday
1 second in and my first thought is you can always remove all the electronics and build it yourself from scratch. No matter what they make it can always be ls swapped. Sbc swapped. Hemi swapped. 2jz swapped. Nobody’s gonna stop Ali’s from doing what we want
LMAO, tuning will never stop, if you actually think odb3 will stop all this your no different than the carb guys in 1972. fuel injection and computers turned out to kill your carbs. Educate yourself there lil buddy, study history and open your eyes. MERICA !!!!!! lol
OBD II ports have been around since the 90s as for not speeding there's still situations where people are going to find a loophole in the tech to speed or say a kid with a bleeding disorder cracks their head open in school and refuses an ambulance because their dad/mom is a police officer in the next neighborhood depending on traffic my dad could get from the police station to the murphy school in less than 20 mins
I know computers very, very well. I also know ICE theory in my sleep. There will always be ways to give a motor what it needs without some complicated piece of software. It’s just: Air, Fuel, Compression, Timing and Spark. We can carb modern engines, it’d just be insane.
11:55 I work 3rds and on my days off I’m up all night. I sometimes on my night off drive to the 24/7 gas station or the near by truck stop to get snacks and drinks at like 1 or 2 in the morning.
The main reason I don't believe they're going to do it is because of the damage that going to do to the economy. Most businesses these days that hire the bulk of the American workforce refuse to pay the cost of automation, or pay their employs enough to cover the cost of basic automotive maintenance. Its gotten to the point where my supervisor literally has to look the other way to people not being able to show up on time anymore regardless of how livid that makes my employer. I don't believe people are going to put up with treating cars like my company treats our forklifts. Farmers have already lost billions of dollars over it, and I can predict them making a shift to Japanese tractors in the future for it. As long as shift occurs fast enough to impact the bottom line of john deer that should scare them off from they're dystopic ambitions. There are two main things that get in the way of this idea. That we would have to see changed in order for obd 3 to become normalized and profitable. 1 they'd have to vastly increase the pay of the average American worker. Which despite the fact that the average American worker right now can't function properly at 30k a year anymore employers have fought tooth and nail to prevent that to the point of funding mass illegal immigration into the country. 2 they'd need to lower the bar of entry for the average person to become a mechanic, and they'd have to hire a lot of them. In order to make this sorta thing work. They'd need to be able to increase they amount of cars that could be worked on at a ford mechanic shop by over 500+%. And I'm saying all this as somebody that has not only predicted a similair future, but has been actively trying to avoid getting caught up in it. There is a lot of things involved with making this sorta thing work. That we just don't have the infrastructure for, and the authority of those in charge over us is waining.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Nothing needs to be more complicated than a Base Smartfortwo; no power ANYTHING, no touch-screens. All we need is analog gauges, gas power, manual A/C, and just enough computers for fuel management, airbags, and ABS. Anything more should be voluntary and charged-for.
I'm a retired mechanic. The more crap I see on new cars, the more I love my old Chevy truck. They can't spy on me or rip me off. Still do all my own work and I will as long as I can.
Awesome video man. It's the first I've seen from your channel but I expect I will be seeing more from you in the future ;) I do disagree about the squatted truck thing though. I'm not sure exactly how the ban is written but I think there ought to be a minimum distance you can see from the seat. I don't know what that number needs to be but it can't be something like 50 feet. With no restrictions in place, someone could conceivably squat their truck to the point where they can't see the road at all and that should absolutely not be allowed. So in my ideal world, nobody is squatting their trucks so the chassis is at something like 45 degrees from horizontal but you also have the right to change your suspension to whatever you like.
Oems are constantly adding obstacles to modification, someone always figures it out. It's not going to be on day one, but a solution will come to any changes they make. As far as detecting a tune in a vehicle, a new Ram will not only log the exact date and time the software was modified, but also a GPS location. It gets plugged in at the dealership and it's over with.
In respect to the law. The majority of states you can legally drive naked. This shows you how much reach the government has into private lives. If the company tries it they will be legally challenged and they will lose.
Although OBD is responsible for keeping your emissions within an allowable range for your car the overall reduction in emissions is due to a much bigger technological improvement. 40 years ago we didn't have the computers, sensors, processing power, modeling software, and so many other tools engineers use to create the machines they do today. Engines and drive trains are built with tolerances that would have lead to destruction 40 years ago, variable valve timing was not heard of, most cars had V6 or V8 engines that produced less power than many four cylinder engines built today, transmission technology has evolved, and so on and so on. I guess one could argue that none of that would be possible without OBD, but the at the root of it all the advances in technology in general have had more of an impact on emissions than anything.
This world is fucking getting fucked first it’s video games that they get you to buy subscriptions and shit you used to get for grinding the game, now your paying a subscription for some bullshit in a car, ridiculous
Options, one is Mega squirt, If you know you know or start walking or maybe go Amish with a horse and cartridge or buy a full sized R/C car (Electric vehicle) and jam the GPS and block all the other sensors. Where there is a will there is a government there to crush it. So glad My vehicles are old enough to drink and I AM the warrantee!
Its so refreshing to be able to have a critical, adult conversation about capitalism. 1. I feel validated for my foil hat lol Ive been telling people auto makers had hopes to do this like 15 years ago. 2. While we're at it, youre right. Cars arent the biggest polluters and once people realize they can have their cool cars AND save the planet by being even more critical of capitalism, the sooner real progress can be made lol
You're wrong about the sqautted truck thing. Modify your vehicle all day, when it makes it harder for you to see other people, therefore making it more dangerous on the road, its a justifiable ban. Modifying your exhaust does nothing but maybe annoy people as you drive by them, putting other people at risks of crashes because you can't see out your front windshield is completely different.
Real issue will be the method of connection that OBD3 uses and what is considered a "search". Currently, OBD2 needs to be plugged in. It would be pretty easy to argue that a cop opening your door and plugging in a computer into your car is an unwarranted search and therefore anything found through that search will be inadmissible in court. If OBD 3 can be wirelessly connected there is the potential for a cop to connect to your car with a computer, tablet, or other device and get data possibly without you even knowing it and depending on the exact circumstances it may be harder to argue against that in a court. The technology is progressing faster than laws can be passed and those that are passing such laws are so OLD that they don't even know how most of these things work!
That's easy, have a line somewhere when you register your car saying that by registering it you are agreeing to it being searched or something like that. An easy way would be to have it be part of yearly emissions testing, where when the shop plugs in the testing machine also checks the speed and location for each speed and then sends you automatic tickets in the mail.
We are at the point where you can't turn your heated seat on when you're cold unless you pay. Next will be when you can't turn it off when you're hot unless you pay
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Rich suits behind closed doors have an interest in killing the american dream and independent motorists are another obstacle in the way of that goal.
I stopped at obd-0 and I'm currently in the process of converting my current project to carburetor away from efi control lol. I'm never gonna drive a computer.
As a professional auto technician obd3 has been talked about for for than 20 years in alot of the training programs I have attended. Very scary when the government gets so involved. Dependability and quality keeps going down as prices keep going up. All in the name of fuel economy and fake environmental concerns.
Because they don’t actually want people to “own” vehicles
Too much govt involvement and invasion of privacy is obviously bad. But how is fuel economy and environmental concerns fake? These are separate issues.
@iJynxO It isn't "fake" but the environmental impact is almost nill and the govt policies and regs have done nothing but drive fuel economy down
As of November 2024, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that 18,720 people died in motor vehicle crashes in the first half of 2024.
@@07wrxtr1 biggest mistake the elite gave us. The car is freedom tool for world's average Joe's. They been kicking themselves in butt for about at least the last 70 yrs.
My 1990s vehicles have a feature no new car made in the last 10 years has.
Privacy.
My 2012 golf and The Taliban's 2024 land cruiser have privacy. The corporations and government want money and control.
I literally just purchased a ‘90 4Runner! Yeah, very hands on vehicle and zero surveillance.
@estebanhenriquez3491 Those last forever with proper car. 😎👍
Some insurance companies offer trackers for older cars for "good driving refunds" just kindly decline whenever that's offered to you. The news is already ripping insurance companies for tracking on new vehicles.
I'll never forget when my neighbor told me he was worried about this. He's an old Vietnam vet so a very old school type gear head. About 10 years ago he was sitting in his truck at work on his smoke break when a voice from the truck scared him. It called him by name and then told him the free period of satellite radio has expired and asked if he wanted to sign up. He asked how they knew he was sitting in the truck while turned off and they said they could tell from the weight sensor in the seat linked to the airbag. He asked if they knew where he was and they described the location of the parking lot and surrounding buildings. I feel they have already gone too far. And don't get me started on Nest doorbells.
Oh, that was GM's OnStar, wasn't it?
@@pauliusgruodis137 It sure was.
a person I know bought a decade old executive car ($100k+new) - someone rear ended him and the Northstar system came on with a live operator asking if they were OK and everything. This was a used car with no northstar account ever linked or swapped or anything. I think they should make Maximum Overdrive 2025 movie.
Possibly his phone, too, which probably linked via bluetooth to his car. They can also tell where your eyes are pointed, because even my Corvette tells me to keep my eyes on the road (when I was backing up out of the garage).
@@Tubes12AX7k i aint in the position to buy one of them expensive ass cars
but fuckin HELL i'd never tbh
"They" hate your freedom. Your ability to drive wherever and whenever you like keeps them awake at night.
Gotta find out who “they” are.
@@aygwm Not hard, start at the Orisini's and work down...
On your highly subsidized, socialist roads. You want the best of both worlds: "freedom" on roads paid for by everyone. Ironic and asinine.
Government wants it, is it going to help find Venezuelan gangs that rip peoples fingernails off? No. Will it find a guy who spent 6wks wearing a fat suit, using cash, and walking to delete a insurances CEO denying people life. Yes.
@aygwm "They" are auto companies and insurance companies. They're the ones paying for the lobbying. And if you think this is partisan politics, let me remind you Republicans did just as little to stop this as Democrats are. They will do whatever their doners tell them to.
The Resto Mod crowd has warned Us for years here in California
All of this just feels so evil and depressing, I grew up dreaming of driving amazing cars all through childhood. Seeing what’s on the horizon just makes me sad, so dystopian
Jumbo jet burns more fuel in one hour than my truck will in it's lifetime... and they have no emission controls. It was never about us, it's about control
Cars are becoming like video games (microtransactions for features) and friggin phones (forced updates that fix one thing and screw up 6 others)
Quit buying them and demand something cheaper, (and less complex)
Your phone is as much as a snitch as your car in today's world.
You can easily put your phone in a Faraday bag or wrap it with tin foil to block the signal for tracking, but you can't do that with modern cars. There should be a privacy minded disable button to press in the car.
I always keep my location off in the settings. The only real difference I've noticed is that I have to manually add the start location when in maps.
@@likesbikes77 lol You can not turn off locations or tracking on cellphones.., you can only turn off the notifications that you are being tracked. 8/
I've been without a phone for almost a year now, It's difficult to do a lot of stuff nowadays without one. My phone died and at first I was just too busy to go get one, however it soon became a personal experiment to see if I could get by without one. Honestly it's been an interesting experiment, it's not as easy as it used to be, good luck finding a payphone anymore. It's so funny when you tell someone you don't have a phone they think your lying at first, then they think your insane🤣. Anyway it's actually been fun, I use our ham radio repeaters phone patch when I need to make a call on the road, something that I haven't used in years. Funny story it was having issues and I brought it us at the last club meeting and half the people didn't even know we still had one!
That's a placebo.@@likesbikes77
I agree with almost everything… except squated trucks, they were dangerous (keeping in mind we have zero state inspection in SC)… their headlights, and steering angles, plus just poor visibility made them a huge issue to other drivers.
I am sure you are correct... easy for me to say from Jersey. If the truck is squatting up here that boy is moving weight from Newark to Philly. Haha
They are illegal here in IL This is from one of the laws - "to cause the horizontal line from the front to the rear bumper to vary over 3 inches in height when measured from a level surface"
Plus they look like a dog who's got a case of worms.
Not to mention in an accident with a sedan, the sedan is going under the engine.
@@sccarguy8242 not to mention looking like a dog with a bad case of worms
What I wanna know as far as insurance goes. Where does my money go that I’ve paid for the last 5 years and never used it? All I’m paying for is to tell the state that I have insurance. But when I need to use my insurance after 5 years of paying thousands of dollars. My rates go up. Car insurance is the biggest scam next to health insurance
all insurance is
The rates don't go down with depreciation of the vehicle either, and thats BS.
Just wait till you have paid insurance for 42+ years and never had a claim and they start raising your rates because your getting old. They never ask how many years have you been racing or ask you come do a driving test. At 57 I am a better driver than 98% of drivers with millions of miles more than the average person, especially at full throttle and late braking apexing a conner back to full throttle. A dumb kid 16 takes driver ed and gets a break on insurance, 49 years racing No credits ? WHY? Good drivers pay for bad drivers out of the insurance pool thats where the money goes and it's wrong.
and home insurance
@@stayinganonymous.3172 or your age. When I was young (a long time ago) I kept hearing how my insurance would go down as I got older. HA!
This is why I like classic cars and only own classic cars no computers period.
I call my 2004 a classic looking at the new ones lol
My 1988 Cavalier Z24 is still on its original engine and transmission after 35 years, summer daily. 1993 Cavalier RS, scrapyard salvaged, rest-of-year daily. 1995 Cutlass Supreme, soon-to-be 3900 V6 swapped. I despise modern cars, they're all cheap garb passed as quality, most will experience major mechanical failures even after being babied around the time the warranty expires.
they’ll just throw you in jail for driving your classic car if they feel like it
No computers because privacy so just a smartphone? 😏
Or watching this on a friend's computer because that's totally different?
@@Dowlphin Computers are great I just don't want them on my car.
F the lack of privacy this dystopian future has
Weird how our Supreme Court ruled we don’t have a right to privacy.
“Bikes and waking just ain’t gonna cut it” my thoughts after watching every one of those walkable utopia city videos
All those automakers got bailed out in 2008 by us just to turn around and spit in our faces.
Because they didn't get bailed out by you. They bailed themselves out using you.
Everyone is mentioning keeping older cars running, which I wholeheartedly agree with, but also consider that motorcycles do not have any completely standardized diagnostic systems like cars do.
Give it time, the legal wonks will demand it soon enough.
most modern bike ECU's store the last 30-60 seconds before a crash, the data can be retrieved post incident. My 2021 Kawasaki mentions it in the owners manual, including speed data, braking etc
@@Legotruck82 Laughs in 1989 Harley Davidson.
Lots of people wouldn't be able to ride a motorbike or feel "safe" on one. I know I sure as shit wouldn't want to drive one to work all the time. Too damn cold out for that.
I do both, just rebuilt my '93 bike with high compression piston and a bunch of other mods. I just got another bike with points ignition. I'm working on an older OBD2 van with a bent valve, and i've got a couple of more vintage Honda Trail bikes to get going for my neighbors to ride.
Soon i plan to build both a 'car' (more like a street legal crosskart) and a motorcycle from scratch. I also do bicycles, ebikes, and gas engine bicycles too.
My car is from the early 2000s, im keeping as long as I can.... the most advanced thing on it is a simple 50 dollar aftermarket radio that doesn't even have Bluetooth and I like to keep it that way. These 3 letter government agencies and auto manufacturers can shove it
I bet your radio plays CDs too (like mine does!).
@@Support_Ad_Blocker The OGs can still play cassettes!
@@bryede My 98 came with a cassette player, but I never liked the sound of "hiss" so I upgraded to CDs. Can't do that now. You have to pay for crappy streaming. I'll keep my 98 Tacoma until I die.
They will start making it illegal to plate and insure vehicles over a certain age. They are starting to do this in Europe. Japan has had it for decades.
I have been working on getting rid of newer cars because I'm sick of all the computer shit. I have a 66 Lemans and picking up a 68 Imperial this weekend. These are nice cars, not projects. I'll be selling my Escalade then start looking for a 71 Corvette for the wife. I know how to work on cars, but I can't stand all the unnecessary tech in cars. I'd rather get 7 MPG in a land yacht than have an $1100 a month car payment for something I can't work on.
Pre-computer controlled classic cars are going to skyrocket in price in the coming years when OBD III comes out.
They will force them to be destroyed. They will simply stop making spare parts for older cars and make insurance companies force there prices to skyrocket to the point where cars can't be covered on the road.the world economic forum says they want 80 percent of gas vehicles off the road by 2035.
It’s funny you think you will be allowed to drive those. They will be flat out made illegal or you will pay a massive environmental tax. I don’t agree with it but it’s what is going to happen.
Until the make it illegal to plate and insure older cars Japan has been doing this for decades and some European countries are intruding it.
Classícs r already high. Old class a trucks can't be regístered on the west coast any more. Dec 2024
What will likely happen is early OBD3 vehicles will get refit with compatible OBD2 computers. After a few model year refreshes, there will either be a high popularity commercial solution for the tuner crowd to make the power train independent of the body control systems or the more creative of us will hybridize their computer setup with an older computer that will do the actual work with enough of the original PCM intact to keep the cluster working.
Or go for the simple solution and talk with your wallet and refuse to buy new vehicles with this tech installed.
I was thinking this exact thing, like there are aftermarket ECU's I think that you can put in your car, but I think you would really have to know what you are doing to set it up, for example the CarWizard had a old Ferrari that he had Jerad from the Questionable garage put in an after market ECU
Carburetor and a micro squirt to control timing and done
@@turkeyboyjh1 Nothing "done", because of emissions. You will fail obligatory inspection.
Just disconnect the Antennas. foil tape over the GPS
I think OB3 will fail simply because newer cars are too expensive. People are daily driving cars from '07
I saw a '04 Neon that had historic tags. The car is over 20 it qualifies
I worked on F-22s in the air force. They burn through 2800 gallons of fuel in under 90 minutes. If they take off in after burner into a max climb, then its about 30 minutes.
And they run those jets just to burn fuel for annual budget acquisitions.
Let's talk about Elon and his rockets, too.
How??? it don't hold that much what's the refuel rate
Our clown show military is the largest contributor to greenhouse gases.
That's about half of a tanker truck trailer.
@@stayinganonymous.3172 Rockets aren't even a rounding error in the overall emissions numbers. You want to address emissions, you need to look at China and India first, any other industrializing third world country second, and then the shipping industry. On top of that, chemically-powered rockets are the only game in town when it comes to putting a payload into space. For better or worse, they aren't going away any time soon.
Unplugged my satellite antenna. Dont use sat radio or the navigation. I get a constant reminder that the truck needs to go to the dealer. And a nanny voice reminds me of the speed limit (its wrong) 2014 dodge. This tech is obnoxious. Why cant I get a base model with no frills and the big motor? Keep the tech.
Wait til your own body is connected to the internet. Blackrock is funding an entire platform here in Utah for just that. Transhumanism incoming
Engine swap and run standalone ECU. It's not hard.
You just don't want to deal with it.
My dash a few months ago on a 45 mph road said 80 mph. I'm sure if swapped it would ding me to death.
Because the government wants more control and most of that tech is mandated.
@@N4CRlmao yeah, everyone should just engine swap if they don't want to be violated by capitalists
Insurance rates are already high. Could you imagine what would happen if somebody let about 20 million uninsured motorists do whatever they want? Oh.... wait
10 years ago, mit or Harvard computer science students hack a vehicle and control the vehicle wireless made it accelerate stop and turn
Electronically controlled throttle body is just why
@@hesmycat you'd be surprised how much throttle by wire has taken off
I highly doubt there is an engine built today that is not drive by wire other than small carbureted engines.
part of the reason I will NEVER own a car made past 2000
Actually 96 and prior.
Actually 95 and prior
You're good to go up to about 2010 on most vehicles.
@@spectrumofreality i drive a 2013 mazda, but its a base trim MT mazda3, it still has its issues, but it feels like a car from the 90s, with a few extra features. too bad itl be illegal to own in a decade or two. its been good to me, and i really wanted to reset the odo, but i doubt that will be happening. i guess ill just have to seize the engine and park it in my living room once all is said and done. if cant drive, id rather die. truly. its the only thing that makes me happy a lot of the time.
@@spectrumofreality Yeah you can get a fully loaded Lexus GS/LS with all the modern stuff and OBD2 convenience 08+. Easy to fix and deal with.
I see a lot of Holly ECU swaps in new cars futures.
this will be a felony
They will lobby (bribe) to ensure such things are illegal and enforced.
@@sinistersilverado965 I really don't see that, you would first have to make every OBD2 car illegal.
Hp Tuners has a standalone System it’s pricey.
@@joeldoxtator9804 Technically all they would have to do is make it illegal to modify the ECU which for the most part it already is.
Well said. I love Ford but hate the way they treat their customers. I remember when HP tried to do this with their printer cartridges. It didn’t work out so well then but these car manufacturers seem determined to make it work. Here in MA we have right to repair at least for now….😮
yeah I have always been a Ford girl but my Ford Edge was nearing its end of life so I was going to get another vehicle, my neighbor told me I should get a truck because they hold their value and that I should get a Toyota because they are known for their super reliability, so I got a 2022 Toyota Tundra and OMG such a difference with the service, I would drive my car to the dealer, they would then do all the service needs like oil change, rotate tires, look at breaks everything, and would not charge me anything because i have like a 5 year anything service wise is "free" ( I am sure that was probably baked into the cost of the truck but I got a good deal on it ) and they would even call me an Uber to take me back home and send an Uber to come back and get me to pick it up, I have never ever had service that was this good
Sounds like a dealership problem tbh, I've seen scummy Toyota dealerships too and great Ford dealerships
@@Drewcardello yeah I am sure there are great ford dealerships just the past 3 cars I didn't have a good experience and the last car I got the radio kept on turning off and on intermittently and so I took it in ( I had the brand new car for like 2 months at this point, and they said to replace the radio it would be 1300 and it has no warranty, took me another month and a attorney to finally get the radio replaced
@@Arcella1981 sorry that happened!
here is the problem unless you use a bike for the rest of your life you don't getca choice
Your phone and apps are already doing this, and if you have Location Services turned on, on your phone, and agreed to sharing your data, you've basically agreed to share this info with your insurer. Your phone also knows if you looked at it, at a red light. It knows how fast you went, how quickly you brake. It probably also knows if you spent the night at someone else's house, let alone where you are at that moment. And it probably can tell who you associate with based on the other peoples' phones in close proximity to yours.
Easy solution: a mobile phone should be "for emergency use only." Do not upload your entire existence onto the thing. It's a phone. I know it's easier said than done with today's two-part authentication protocols and virtually everything else that demands you have this thing constantly at your side, but it can be done. Your life can be simplified; you just have to work even harder at it (ironic, isn't it?)
Its a gradual process, it really all goes to a point where regular citizen won't be able to _own_ a vehicle. Thats their goal.
We are cooked, friends. Enjoy what you have while you got it
No, people need to learn how to make their own things. Buy the materials and the tools not the finished product.
I prefer older "dumb" cars that don't connect to wifi for "updates", but some parts are harder to get for some old cars and older cars aren't as safe or fuel efficient as newer cars. For me anything newer than 2016 has too much unwanted tech in it like the lane keep assist that won't let you swerve to avoid an accident or object in the road. I also don't like direct injection causing dirty intake valves, plastic valve covers or oil pans, CVT transmissions and small displacement engines with turbos that don't last for as many miles as a naturally aspirated engine and I don't trust the thin zero weight oils. 5w-30 is as thin as I trust. If a car uses an oil that's thinner than 5w-30 I don't want the car.
The fuel-guzzling carburetors are the only reason why old cars suck up so much fuel. Newer cars are heavier with bigger engines and actually require more fuel than a 1970's mustang with a 1 barrel vapor carb. Sure they would be slower but older cars are by no means less fuel efficient.
Maybe older cars are less safe, but they can definitely be more fuel efficient. Fuel efficiency peaked in the 90s. Look in that era if you want fuel efficiency. A lot of the 90s hatchback got between 40 and 60 mpg
This has been going on since onstar it's more nefarious then hot rodding. So your throttle body is bad you go buy another... um car is bricked till a dealer programs it. Oh but wait we don't touch a vehicle over 10 years. You as owner decide I'll pay 3k and subscribe to software except it's not available as it's past 10 years. Basically they brick and scrap the car if a failure after 10 years.
Good points.
Keeping my 16 year old BMW for as long as I can. If I change it it'll be a 40 year old BMW.
OBD3 deze nutz. I drive a 1990, 1983 and a 1981.
you wont be much longer, i can see cars built before a certain year being totally illegal to own in the very near future.
They are unfortunate dilemma with that is eventually they’re gonna start banning or preventing you from being able to even get insurance on older cars. That is the Catch-22. Yes you have a really well running older car but eventually they’re gonna be like oh we are cars too old and it’s not compliant with our specs so you have to get rid of it otherwise You can’t drive it anyway.
That’s Super cool buddy , I’ve got an 80 83 90 & 94
@@skygirl341what about company’s like hagerty who insure classics. I think that industry is gonna boom under this. Unless the government gets involved.
You are completely right. SMOG checks here in CA definitely stopped caring about "emmisions". I failed my last SMOG test because I had an oil catch can! I asked the inspector how that is possible, the catch can makes the car run cleaner and ultimately more efficient by reducing carbon build up from my direct injection turbocharged car. He just shrugged his shoulders and said sorry man, you just can't have it
Passes AZ emissions a few years ago in a Nissan Sentra that was blowing black smoke out of the tail pipe because OBD 2 didn't send any error codes. Legally barred from sniffing anything OBD 2 {96 and newer).
Literally legally required to fail your emissions because you tripped a left parking light error with a clean running car and pass dirty cars that don't send error.
Not sure how this is helping air quality in southern Arizona.....
As a scientist your correct; we have done great cleaning emissions from tailpipes. Non issue.
Global Heating:: Solar ≈ 1523 W/m^2 ; CO2 (all time) ≈ 3 W/m^2
Then add in the data from the fossil record and ice cores, and see the normal co2 level is between 4000 and 6000 PPM, we're sitting at 460-ish. 20 years ago we were around 230-ish. Much lower and plant life would have ceased.
I remember around 20 years ago the insurance companies were dying to get access to a vehicle's ECM after accidents. Surprisingly it got shot down by the government as privacy issues. So their legal loophole was to make it voluntary. So they came up with the "safe drive" devices to low jack your car. Basically shaving a few bucks off your premiums to gain access to your drivind habits through the computer. So this OBD3 sounds like final nail if implemented.
Two businesses need to become a bigger thing: 1. Vehicle restoration 2. New Brand of car maker, but falls back to Old'en day designs. Lets make simple vehicles again. Make the parts inter-swapable with any produced body, allow owners to be able to work on them again.
The later won't happen. The government mandates all that shitty tech in New cars. 90% of dumbass screens in cars are only in there because something like backup cameras are mandatory on all new passenger cars and trucks sold in the United States
Kind of like Framework has done with making laptops modular and repairable.
This will never happen, except for small companies building cars for enthusiasts, because any company that makes a large number of cars has to meet modern safety and emissions regulations, which requires all of that technology.
@@modarkthemauler exactly
I drive an 08 Silverado without on-star, this will forever be the newest vehicle I will ever own. I am currently in the process of building my next daily driver. 1953 Chrysler New Yorker with a mid 70's SBC powertrain. when ready the truck will be used as little as possible
OBD3 is here even if not by name. All OBD3 does is standardize what the industry has already begun to do already.
What you drive is closer to a phone than a car you remember if you were born before 1995: It's a computer on wheels where you're a semi-active participant rather than a driver.
Rush is my favorite band. I immediately thought about the song, "Red Barchetta". Which by the way is based on short story by Richard Foster in 1973 "A Nice Morning Drive". Published in the November 1973 Issue of Road and Track. It's getting scary out here. One of my favorite songs, based in a dystopian future is coming true.
All you need is fuel, spark, compression. Ripping everything out and replacing empty holes with 3d printed parts is coming soon.
Most Will Reject, Not Having The Option Of DIY Repairs.
Just Don't Buy From Companies Implementing These Schemes.
Some Companies Need To Go Bankrupt For This 🐂 💩.
Oh and after listening to this awesome info, the book 1984 comes to mind..great video!❤
Right to the repair is critical to free market capitalism
I've already been a victim to this. I bought a brand new 2021 Chevy Spark at the age of 22. By next year my rates spiked up to $500 a month, at which point I was forced to sell it. Apparently, GM was selling driving data collected from their car to my insurance company. I have vowed to NEVER buy another GM vehicle or anything from after 2020. If pre 2020 cars become impossible to own, I'm getting a bicycle.
Don't wait. Get your bicycle now.
Or a 🐎 & buggy
What it sounds to me is more CEOs need the CEO treatment😂
Magnuson Moss warranty act. That and the fact the EPA makes rules not laws. That is done in congress.
“Red Barchetta” by Rush.
Always thought it was a song based on a crazy sci-fi idea of the future… which it kind of was. But here we are. Stuff like this always reminds me of this song…
Rush is my favorite band. I immediately thought about this song. Which by the way is based on short story by Richard Foster in 1973 "A Nice Morning Drive". Published in the November 1973 Issue of Road and Track. It's getting scary out here. One of my favorite songs, based in a dystopian future is coming true.
As anything a computer can be hacked.
"The only truly secure system is one that is powered off, cast in a block of concrete and sealed in a lead-lined room with armed guards - and even then I have my doubts. "
-- Gene Spafford
I recently bought a 1990 4Runner because of many of the reasons you outlined in this video. Easy to fix, no surveillance, and reliability. My parents questioned why I wanted such an old car, and I uttered some of the same things you did to them.
Also, I’ve realized that, with the integration of technology in every aspect of our lives, privacy has become a myth. There’s simply no such thing!
Very smart speech. Fully agree with you there.
I can say that here in ze germany, and especially where I live, in the progressive Berlin, I even get looks of hate when driving my WJ.
I belive countries like germany will be first in line for more surveillance and more gov intervention. Its crazy to me how obidiant and "in love" with the gov people here are...
Have a look into Yuri Bezmenov, he spoke of Ideological subversion, the greatest success was the US ARMY doing it to the German people after the war ended. The process was completed before I was born in the 1970's
Brainwashed.. I live in Amsterdam the Netherlands, the same woke obidient shit going on.
As a hacker-minded person, I will want to find out how to disable OB3 on a new vehicle, even if it means reverse engineering the firmware and making modifications that turn off all surveillance and behavioral guardrails. I’m quite sure there will be a black market for services that liberate monitored or brushed cars.
Solution...walking, horse riding, bike riding..every action gets a reaction..geez can't believe we the people allow this kind of bullying by certain money hungry control freaks..yes if we let it happen it will happen just like some historical things of past..
your simple idea only goes so far , sure use a bike but when you need to get to the nxt tower over hope your company gives you a car because otherwise youd not going
The powers that be want to take all the land and force everyone to live in stack and pack citys by 2050.they want to return a 3rd of the land back to nature by 2035.
The ultimate plan is to make cars and driving as expensive and inconvenient as possible, and to force people to use micro transportation solutions like electric bikes and scooters. If you want use of a car, either you're rich and drive your own, or summon an Uber.
You will live in the pod and eat the bugs.
I think I'm good with my 98 ZJ. Even though it needs some TLC, she doesn't snitch on me. As for Cats, well only one I have is sitting next to me. Life , Liberty and the pursuit of happiness comes to mind when trying to "control" these things.
Even OBD2 can snitch on you... I remember reading a column back in the day in Sport Compact Car magazine, where a guy in like a 1998 Trans Am got convicted of manslaughter when he sped in a residential area and t-boned someone backing out of their driveway, killing the person instantly. He said he was doing the speed limit and that the car backed out of nowhere. The forensics team picked up the ECU from his car as evindence for the case, and what the guy didn't know was that GM pretty much implemented a "black box" type function in their ECUs that records the last seconds of data in a collision. It was found that the guy was doing like 100mph, full throttle and never touched the brakes. IIRC, I think the article ended by saying the guy wanted to appeal because GM never disclosed to him that it had such a feature when he bought the car... I don't know how that case concluded!
I mean doing 100 in a residential neighborhood resulting in a fatal crash you kinda get what you deserve and I'm not inclined to feel sorry for you
Post-event forensics are not the same thing as live data collection including voice, and remote control.
I still have my 93 Firebird Formula,1 st yr of the 4th gens an it's a ob1 , they didn't start ob2 for Camaro/Firebird till 94 .. I heard back in the day when ob2 came out they had stuff like that in it
Fun fact, a 1950s pickup can easily get 20-25 mpg with zero tech. Now we have 8 times the power, less fuel efficiency, comfort that could almost shut a teenaged daughter’s mouth and, we still have to fight tyranny. That’s why I always wear my dirtbike helmet and keep my humer. Good luck out there!!
All the more reason to make my 1988 Toyota last as long as humanly possible
glad im not the only one who understands this. this is the main reason i have returned to teaching because obd3 technology is the end of right to repair; no more weekend warriors, shade tree mechanics, tuners, or independent shops (that are cheaper than dealerships). isn't our cell phones enough for tracking devices? and yeah, my paid off car is my paid off car, but remember, in 2030, you will own nothing and love it.
well no one is forced to buy these new cars , people here are pulling old cars out of the woodwork here and getting them road legal again
Wait for insurance to start raising premiums for driving an 'unsafe' older car. Next, they will go after 'emissions' to phase out the remaining unscannables...
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@@stayinganonymous.3172 yes but it will be cheaper than buying a new car and here you can just get insurance to payout for the car you hit and not your own called 3 party , people will not buy cars because they cannot afford or want them ill be long dead when they try that shit but who wants to live in a world so controlled anyway . so stupid how the humble car just to get people around from once place to another has gotten out of control .
@richardsawtell256 yes, indeed. The car is ingrained too deep in our society, and players are taking advantage.
@@stayinganonymous.3172 i agree , here insurance is not compulsory which i do not agree with and we have no emissions checks just a safety check every 12 months, but that will change oneday
Old cars will dry up or be outlawed and you'll be forced into a nanny state econobox for $45,000.
1 second in and my first thought is you can always remove all the electronics and build it yourself from scratch. No matter what they make it can always be ls swapped. Sbc swapped. Hemi swapped. 2jz swapped. Nobody’s gonna stop Ali’s from doing what we want
LMAO, tuning will never stop, if you actually think odb3 will stop all this your no different than the carb guys in 1972. fuel injection and computers turned out to kill your carbs. Educate yourself there lil buddy, study history and open your eyes. MERICA !!!!!! lol
OBD II ports have been around since the 90s as for not speeding there's still situations where people are going to find a loophole in the tech to speed or say a kid with a bleeding disorder cracks their head open in school and refuses an ambulance because their dad/mom is a police officer in the next neighborhood depending on traffic my dad could get from the police station to the murphy school in less than 20 mins
Time to go Cuban on our old cars
Find a good set of Studebaker plans/drawings and some machine tools ...
@1DwtEaUn Studebaker bought right outta the parts bin like AMC did. I know because I've had a couple
I know computers very, very well. I also know ICE theory in my sleep. There will always be ways to give a motor what it needs without some complicated piece of software. It’s just: Air, Fuel, Compression, Timing and Spark. We can carb modern engines, it’d just be insane.
11:55 I work 3rds and on my days off I’m up all night. I sometimes on my night off drive to the 24/7 gas station or the near by truck stop to get snacks and drinks at like 1 or 2 in the morning.
The main reason I don't believe they're going to do it is because of the damage that going to do to the economy. Most businesses these days that hire the bulk of the American workforce refuse to pay the cost of automation, or pay their employs enough to cover the cost of basic automotive maintenance. Its gotten to the point where my supervisor literally has to look the other way to people not being able to show up on time anymore regardless of how livid that makes my employer. I don't believe people are going to put up with treating cars like my company treats our forklifts. Farmers have already lost billions of dollars over it, and I can predict them making a shift to Japanese tractors in the future for it. As long as shift occurs fast enough to impact the bottom line of john deer that should scare them off from they're dystopic ambitions.
There are two main things that get in the way of this idea. That we would have to see changed in order for obd 3 to become normalized and profitable. 1 they'd have to vastly increase the pay of the average American worker. Which despite the fact that the average American worker right now can't function properly at 30k a year anymore employers have fought tooth and nail to prevent that to the point of funding mass illegal immigration into the country. 2 they'd need to lower the bar of entry for the average person to become a mechanic, and they'd have to hire a lot of them. In order to make this sorta thing work. They'd need to be able to increase they amount of cars that could be worked on at a ford mechanic shop by over 500+%.
And I'm saying all this as somebody that has not only predicted a similair future, but has been actively trying to avoid getting caught up in it. There is a lot of things involved with making this sorta thing work. That we just don't have the infrastructure for, and the authority of those in charge over us is waining.
give time and it will happen, looks like it bike to just use bike everywhere
@@GamePlays_1230 They end up giving up a lot of things to do that.
I like the over head solution for storing cordless tools.
Squatted trucks are only okay when the driver has a good view of the road
Ya they weren't safe, hitting a bunch of low cars out of their sight
@ or people on crosswalks
@@lIlIllIIllIIlIlIlIllllIIIIl lmao💀 I remember hating them when I was down in OBX, only type of car mod I despise
And this is why I snip the antenna cables for any piece of electronics that I didn't actually install myself.
I commented early, finished the video, freeken brilliant, honest and deeply factual,.... and obviously truthful.
Simplify, simplify, simplify. Nothing needs to be more complicated than a Base Smartfortwo; no power ANYTHING, no touch-screens. All we need is analog gauges, gas power, manual A/C, and just enough computers for fuel management, airbags, and ABS. Anything more should be voluntary and charged-for.
Well thats why i have a 77 f250 and a 77 ranchero 500 screw the government control
I'm a retired mechanic. The more crap I see on new cars, the more I love my old Chevy truck. They can't spy on me or rip me off. Still do all my own work and I will as long as I can.
Awesome video man. It's the first I've seen from your channel but I expect I will be seeing more from you in the future ;)
I do disagree about the squatted truck thing though. I'm not sure exactly how the ban is written but I think there ought to be a minimum distance you can see from the seat. I don't know what that number needs to be but it can't be something like 50 feet. With no restrictions in place, someone could conceivably squat their truck to the point where they can't see the road at all and that should absolutely not be allowed. So in my ideal world, nobody is squatting their trucks so the chassis is at something like 45 degrees from horizontal but you also have the right to change your suspension to whatever you like.
If you are carrying your phone, you are already being tracked. Unless you turn off the phone when you speed.
Love my old crust vehicles more and more every time they add more B's to cars
Oems are constantly adding obstacles to modification, someone always figures it out. It's not going to be on day one, but a solution will come to any changes they make. As far as detecting a tune in a vehicle, a new Ram will not only log the exact date and time the software was modified, but also a GPS location. It gets plugged in at the dealership and it's over with.
How to make OBD2 cars really expensive
In respect to the law. The majority of states you can legally drive naked. This shows you how much reach the government has into private lives. If the company tries it they will be legally challenged and they will lose.
Although OBD is responsible for keeping your emissions within an allowable range for your car the overall reduction in emissions is due to a much bigger technological improvement. 40 years ago we didn't have the computers, sensors, processing power, modeling software, and so many other tools engineers use to create the machines they do today. Engines and drive trains are built with tolerances that would have lead to destruction 40 years ago, variable valve timing was not heard of, most cars had V6 or V8 engines that produced less power than many four cylinder engines built today, transmission technology has evolved, and so on and so on. I guess one could argue that none of that would be possible without OBD, but the at the root of it all the advances in technology in general have had more of an impact on emissions than anything.
My 2002 Chevy Silverado's value just went up. 😁😁
This world is fucking getting fucked first it’s video games that they get you to buy subscriptions and shit you used to get for grinding the game, now your paying a subscription for some bullshit in a car, ridiculous
Options, one is Mega squirt, If you know you know or start walking or maybe go Amish with a horse and cartridge or buy a full sized R/C car (Electric vehicle) and jam the GPS and block all the other sensors. Where there is a will there is a government there to crush it. So glad My vehicles are old enough to drink and I AM the warrantee!
If you're walking or going buggy, you're probably not speeding.
Simple solution, tell them no in mass. Dont allow it because your privacy and rights are your responsibility to protect
The problem is most people don't care, they think "I've nothing to hide" or they think "I don't modify cars, so why should I care?"
Its so refreshing to be able to have a critical, adult conversation about capitalism.
1. I feel validated for my foil hat lol Ive been telling people auto makers had hopes to do this like 15 years ago.
2. While we're at it, youre right. Cars arent the biggest polluters and once people realize they can have their cool cars AND save the planet by being even more critical of capitalism, the sooner real progress can be made lol
People just need to always remember: We VOTE and GUIDE our world with our dollars! Don't like it? Bud Light it!
Vote for who? The CEO of Ford?
You're wrong about the sqautted truck thing. Modify your vehicle all day, when it makes it harder for you to see other people, therefore making it more dangerous on the road, its a justifiable ban. Modifying your exhaust does nothing but maybe annoy people as you drive by them, putting other people at risks of crashes because you can't see out your front windshield is completely different.
Real issue will be the method of connection that OBD3 uses and what is considered a "search". Currently, OBD2 needs to be plugged in. It would be pretty easy to argue that a cop opening your door and plugging in a computer into your car is an unwarranted search and therefore anything found through that search will be inadmissible in court. If OBD 3 can be wirelessly connected there is the potential for a cop to connect to your car with a computer, tablet, or other device and get data possibly without you even knowing it and depending on the exact circumstances it may be harder to argue against that in a court. The technology is progressing faster than laws can be passed and those that are passing such laws are so OLD that they don't even know how most of these things work!
That's easy, have a line somewhere when you register your car saying that by registering it you are agreeing to it being searched or something like that. An easy way would be to have it be part of yearly emissions testing, where when the shop plugs in the testing machine also checks the speed and location for each speed and then sends you automatic tickets in the mail.
We're getting real close to having to buy Licenses to End User Agreements for a lot of our stuff. PC, Phone, now even the new cars ...
I'm sure this has already been said, but Big Brother is watching more and more
Once I switch to horseback riding, I never looked back.
The nanny state is taking the wheel.
My truck is 24 years old. 138,000 miles no fancy tech and best of all it's not a snitch.
We are at the point where you can't turn your heated seat on when you're cold unless you pay. Next will be when you can't turn it off when you're hot unless you pay
costs extra when its cold vs warm outside
When people take over a street, OBD 3 will record everything, even the G-forces!
I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Rich suits behind closed doors have an interest in killing the american dream and independent motorists are another obstacle in the way of that goal.
I stopped at obd-0 and I'm currently in the process of converting my current project to carburetor away from efi control lol. I'm never gonna drive a computer.
Why I drive old cars with out computers.
Just wait until they make obd3 backwards compatible to all obd2 cars by requiring you to plug in a government supplied dongle to operate the vehicle
Meanwhile me with my 82, what's a plug? Then they'll just make it so you can't drive vehicles too old.
OBD3 is a violation of the 4th amendment