The CPU Wars Are Going To AMD
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:16 - Intel Oopsie With Huawei: tinyurl.com/27dng33n
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2:02 - Windows Switching Away from MHz: tinyurl.com/22twqlax
3:05 - UFD Deals: www.ufd.deals
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3:49 - Intel’s Official Statement for 13/14th Gen: tinyurl.com/24j6marx
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10:02 - AMD Growing More: tinyurl.com/24ugmqqs
11:46 - Comment Response
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Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
Videographer: Brett Sticklemonster
Editor: Brett Sticklemonster
Thumbnail Designer: Reece Hill - Наука та технологія
In summary: AMD is doing well and Intel is kicking their own ass.
didn't ASUS and Gigabyte motherboards also fry AMD CPUs ?
10 years ago, AMD was gasping for air. How times have changed. But, since I'm always rooting for the underdog, maybe my next system should be Intel.
Yes i love competition its good for us but GPU wise i hope they improve and get more support from gamers, we don't need a monopoly from Nvidia
@@DerpingtonMcDerpI love my 7900xtx after switching from nvidia idk why more people aren’t buying it, 2k beast.
I feel like instead of dancing in circles, Intel should just tell the consumers the way it is. Then redeem themselves by releasing something that’s competitive. I think people don’t want to fall for big marketing selling products/information incorrectly.
Not to mention they are still stuck on 14nm
@@gradystephenson3346 If it works it works... I had a bulldozer CPU... Not much could be worse.
@@gradystephenson3346 ain't they use Intel 7 ( It's Intel 10nm but that comparable to TSMC 7nm) since 12th gen?
They have an engineer as CEO, so even if I don't like Intel that much, I don't have bias when it comes to CPUs. Well not brand wise. What matters (to me) is performance per watt and related PSUs need and cooling systems. People only talk about the necessity to change MB and CPU but there's much more than than depending on peak TDP.
Look at Apple. Jobs was an engineer (hacker in the truest sense) and devices were innovative, expensive but innovative. Tim now cook consumers with cheap dough recycling same old recipes, giving less for higher prices. That's what marketing is about : making you purchase trash while thinking you acquiring a luxury good. That's what Apple is number one in the world for.
Intel is indecisive. Geislinger clearly isn't a directive leader. He might have been a team leader. But not a good manager.
A team leader and a manager have more or less the same role in EU. Except a team leader is underpaid for more expertise.
In US, a manager is a good slave owner and dictator. How to make people work more for less than free when team leaders shoulder the responsibilities of making the team endure.
Pat just haven't found his path. And maybe he never will.
If he could let his engineer side take over first then thinking about profitability, Intel may get back on trails.
@@sivaxi5114 These nm sizes arent much more as a marketing act. The sizes of the transistors are about the same since they hit about 35nm. They just pretend like that isnt the case. Its more like „ it is like it would be if it was this size“, which is just marketing. Whats really changing is the design of the transistors but thats way harder to use for marketing. Its ok inside of a manufacturers line up but you cant compare it to another manufacturer
Don't worry as someone who is familiar with "Intel speak" I can translate what Intel is saying perfectly and convey it in very simple terms.
What intel is trying to say is "We are royally screwed"
It was ryzen ai, that rebrand got all the juices flowing
I hate AI for being more of good marketing and deceiving these days
@@toututu2993 I'm surprised its not a pronoun yet ...
Dr Ian Cutress will be incredibly happy about the mhz to Megatransfer change.
More of a correction. RAM has no parts to have "hertz". Like trying to say your m.2 runs at some hertz. It makes no sense.
Intel just can't stop digging themselves into a bigger hole...
Also them throwing motherboard manufacture under the bus. We might get another EVGA situation here if they keep this up.
They been doing that since 2018 😂
@@dzibanart8521 way longer than that. I’d say they’ve been doing it since at least 2012 when Intel started using cheap thermal paste instead of solder. Made an old overclocked 2nd gen Sandy Bridge still match a 7th gen Kaby Lake CPU in performance like 6 years later. Always trust Intel to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…
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@@Alp577TBF motherboard manufacturers are getting too wild. Remember they were also cooking 7800x3ds. They also hide everything behind stupid names. It took me hours to control the core voltages on mine and maybe Intel will eventually just come out and say auto overclocking was pushing too hard on voltages or something and eventually recommend manual overclocking over baseline
Intel is trying to create a situation that would allow them to deny warranty claims due to misuse. Think of this way: mobo manufacturers are the car dealership, Intel is the car manufacturer, and we as consumers are responsible for anything we do with that vehicle once it leaves the lot. My 1976 Buick Regal would go 115 mph at factory settings, but I don't recommend.
I think Intel is trying to partially cover for the mobo manufacturers, who probably were too aggressive with auto overclocks. They'll probably have a firmware update and everybody will forget about it. Remember how the burning x3d chips blew over due to mobo vendors overvolting CPUs to get that extra 2% in benchmark reviews?
23:45 Explains history of signs and the way the colors are supposed to be. Immediately shows logo that is opposite.
I was wondering if anyone else had noticed that 😂
23:23 I actually kinda like the flip flop.
Will there be another Cannon Ball Run? Since ARM and X86 is nearing their limits. What's next? Are we going to see other changes? We went from 8-bit to 16-bit to 32-bit and now 64-bit operating systems. Is 128-bit or 256-bit operating systems coming next?
Microsoft should also change MB to MiB and GB to GiB because MB and GB are wrong. Mebibyte and gibibyte are actually what you see in Windows file explorer. When you see a file having 3 GB it's actually has 3 GiB and that is also 3.22 GB.
Thank you we need more transparency of what is going on instead of needing youtube videos explaining the mess that doesn't need to exist. RAM can't have hertz, so get rid of the term. Same with windows space need to show what you see, which is based off of binary values.
Intel right now is in a catch 22 situation: if they don't reduce power their CPUs die, but if they do they underperform. Intel is trying to communicate something that will get them out of it, but it's not possible and they're making it worse.
But... But... But... The outro logo has the H blue and the N pink! WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY CORRECT?!?
I don’t understand Intel.
They are being two faced about this. They like to try an deny warranty claims and dodge responsibility when it comes to instability and state things like xmp is overclocking. Then they recommend users and mb manufacturers to overclock?
Which one is it? You can’t give people a straight answer because you want the OC benchmarks, but don’t want the OC stability and warranty responsibilities.
It’s insulting to the consumer and your partners.
I like that.
"Time for another episode of Hot News and Not Hews!"
I'm not Hews!!! So my earballs are allowed here!
tbh Hews is very cultured 😉
I would turn the sign to see how it looks. Would stop being a left/right color order. And more of a side/center thing. Having blue at both letters at the center of the screen and pink to the sides of the screen. Like a mirror of color but it can be read correctly.
21:39 this is so well spoken, Thanks Brent.
i just hope they're fixing their file size unit and start using the correct one. fyi windows is using binary unit (MiB, GiB, TiB) but showing it in decimal unit (MB, GB, TB) and it's causing a lot of confussion.
Regarding the Powerlimit: I thought what intel tried to say was: Motherboard vendors should implement what the motherboard is capable of, but if you go into the bios of this board and select the "" - it should be the 180 one, and not anything else.
So AMD changed the R9 / R7 / R5 part to AI9 / AI7 / AI5 or am I missing something? What's the issue about this change? The naming for laptop chips was always confusing, this won't make any difference IMHO.
I haven't had a single issue running my 14900k on a z790 dark hero board but I'm also running direct die custom cooling with a frame corrector and liq metal tim
Its called playing both sides. They want the performant advantage benchmarks from the "overbuilt" boards "no one" buys, but they want to save face from their chips cooking when someone actually shoots for those performance targets. (This is Intel's version of AMD's Zen1/2 coming in a few hundred mhz shy on some cores and them adjusting code.)
Apple's M4 in the iPad is probably limited to X wattage, while the MacBook/Mac gets the full wattage. Like how NIVIDIA's mobile GPUs are not the same from one 4070 to the next 4070 laptop models, as it depends on what the laptop manufacturer choose for wattage and clock speed.
Speaking about the logo, the End Logo has the colors wrong too
Just wondering if you know of any good aio for my i7 4790k because I watch your content over in Australia and it's getting pretty hot over here my poor cpu is getting 100c
I think Intel is saying that there are motherboards which have power settings that the motherboard can't deliver. When trying to deliver the power requested some motherboards might be having voltage or current sag which causes some instability in the CPU.
No. There arent voltage sags or current sags there. CPU asks moutherboard for voltage a bit too low. Moutherboard manufacturers set their AC_LL and DC_LL values wrong and CPU request voltage dont get high enought according to those. Ideally those values should match VRM loadline, but manufacturers intentionally set those too low to undervolt the CPU.
So what should I set my i9-13900k at to keep it stable?
My take on the "Intel Default Settings" is that the key word in their description is "thermal", and that the motherboard manufactuers should implement new Intel recommended power delivery profiles that still technically allow the power to go high for short bursts (between 253W and 550W depending on your motherboard/setting), but are still severely hamstrung by having aggressive thermal (and maybe current) limits to stop the thermal wear that is destroying the CPUs. This lets them still claim to the end users that don't look at the details that they didn't waste $$$ on expensive overclocking motherboards --- while still solving the issue and claiming that the motherboard manfactuers are to blame.
Love the correction of MT/s!!!
You made a cameo in the latest am radio in cars video on geerling engineering
So i got a i7 8700k and 32gb ddr4 ram with a 4070 and i wonder if i should upgrade my cpu to a AMD ryzen 7 7800 or get a better gpu.
Brett, I'm turning 40 this year. Not only is there nothing wrong with being old, it's the best. Not only do you get Wisdom that you cannot get any other way, you get cool perks too. I wanna spend my retirement on cool projects. I want a speedy electric scooter. I want to have underpants that give me the option to not look for a restroom. I want to be on the old people team. They are the team I'm rooting for. If I don't make the team, I'm dead.
You can wear a diaper anytime you want, but plz don't.
@@Dan-Simms don't worry Dan. I'm 64, built a 7800X3D/4090 rig and I don't need a diaper.
...medication to help me wee, that's another story. 😂
@@jemborg that slaps brutha, got a 7800X3D myself and looking to pair it with a 4070
Riley is my favorite at LTT too. Glad he was the first person to sign my GPU. Thank you
The neon signs don't bother me, but I think it would look good with both blues on the inside and both pinks on the outside. I feel like even though the color scheme is wrong it would feel intentional, yah know? Love the show, keep it up! 24:00
8:30 Intel should just say, "Hey, from this point onward, everything that says over 200 watts will be classified as Overclocked for these CPUs. We allow the user to choose between our base recommendation and the Motherboard vendors 'preferred power settings"
Doing this you still get to choose the OC version and the baseline version while washing their hands of it
Time passing in my 77 years allowed me to have a 5 MB hard drive with 23ms settle time at 5.25" X 1" X 9" in 1982 to a USB drive that transfers at 3Gbps and is .5"X.75"X.125 inch that holds 256GB in 2023. Thank you for recognizing my generation as OK. After all... Most of the tech your generation enjoys was developed by my generation. My project partner in R&D in Silicon Valley, CA installed and operated the first commercially installed LAN in history. We invented flat ribbon cables, and heat shrink tubing among many other tech advancements. We pioneered many aspects of computing and had a great time doing so. I became a Scientific Programmer Analyst in 1982. I still code today in Python.
When you started listing your OC'ing credentials I thought you were quoting Dr Disrespect. Didn't know we were in the presence of overclocking greatness
Bret says the H should be pink, yet all the logo illustrations in this video, has H as blue/teal.
I had no idea that I needed AI powered nano bots in my morning latte... Thankfully I drink my coffee black and don't do fancy lattes.
Do you also drink your whiskey neat? In your bed at 3?
Ngl I never noticed the Not Hews sign. I like it
When will the Windows Operating System, that is supposed to help you operate your system, tell you your CPU and GPU temperature and let you see and control the fan speeds? I guess we can kind of sort of control the RGB colors now. Whoopee!
Yes, getting old sucks. But it sure beats the alternative - thanks for another great episode of Not Hoos! (Look I wasn't gonna say anything but they brought it up - I was curious too)
So if the "safe profiles" are set on the motherboard the end user just sets the highest one knowing the profile is safe.
Yes $50 off (Meshify 2). Good deal?
Good morning everyone, Intel is really making it hard to hold their stock
Buy the dip, their GPUs will save them and sell high? haha
Intel will be fine on their stocks, this should be the lowest floor. New Architecture releases will be swinging back and forth Intel and Amd.
Has anybody said anything about computer being asleep mode when you shut it down?
Am waiting for Computex 2024 in june,so many exciting stuff to come.
Sooo it basicly will depend of the vrm of the motherboard it means
He explained why the neon sign logos are the way they are, and fair enough. Hot should be red, news is blue. Okay. But Brett. Explain to me why the outro logo is the exact opposite way around than?! You wanted to bother me, right? Mission accomplished! 😭
sticking with my 12900K Got burned by AMD on Bulldozer... NEVEr going back. Intels gonna have to screw up worse than this to get me to try AMD again...
Intel is 'tip-toeing' over everything right now as their stocks tank.
Very logical view in the Intel cpu situation.
The logo you show at the beginning and at the end of Hot News has the "H" in blue and "N" in pink, the exact opposite to what you explain it in the response to the comment, lol
Was that a Nelly reference? I don't like how casual that was. Continue.
Tech linked started this format of video during the NCIX days. Riley and Badger perfected it and so it only makes sense for him to be the favorite lol
I never watched NCIX's news videos. Only got familiar with Riley once he joined LMG.
@@UFDTech they are gold. The whole crew. I would definitely recommend a few of their videos for you to watch. Just from an artistic point of view as someone who does it yourself I think you would probably get a good laugh out of a few of them. I think what made it work was all the different characters. It's something they tried to do with ltts version of it but so far only a handful of the people have the charm and Charisma to be able to carry that role in the crew
21:40 - Brett coming in hot with the existential crisis soup for Brettfast. He's not eating it, but hes passing it out :D
Even Digital Foundry ditched Intel for AMD, must be pretty bad
now it makes sense our Xeon 2465X is locked to no more than 3.6GHz despite it should support overclocking according to Intel using XTU lmao
I think intel is roundabout saying that if the mother board manufacturer licenses the technology for their extreme motherboards then they can provide the settings in a stable way, but they have been all providing the over clocking settings
I personally would love a Game made by AI that makes you take a psychology test before and uses the test to create your nightmare horror game experience. Then be able to save the files as loadable game stories anyone can play and VR. Now we're getting somewhere. Who wants to give me a billion dollars?
In Australia, people should be filing a case against Intel with the accc for misleading customers who bought these chips between recently and launch.
Microsoft should update how storage is read as well since I think they read it in bits when everyone thinks it reads in bytes so storage capacity always seems less than advertised.
I remember once my brother was pissed when his 1tb xbox only had like 800gb lol
it's not because of those bits and bytes, it's because of conversion. 2 TB is equal to 1.81 TiB, but instead of saying it's 1.81 TiB, they're saying it's in TB and makes everyone confused.
@kuekejuu5057 yeah, they should fix that
morning ty bud
Only thing missing is someone to use the Skynet codename for AI.
Enjoy your fastbrett with an episode of Not Hews
I'm glad someone finally said something about that OCD triggering neon sign. I would rather have it rotated even with the wrong color layout. Brett owes it to his viewers to do right by them (me).
Do it Brett! DO EEET!!
When are we getting UFD AI BOT
Your T-shirt is fun
Intel statement = spiderman meme.
I don't think they could get it any more convoluted if they actually were trying to make things confusing.
I'm really happy I have a 12700F rn
didnt they compare the m4 to the m2 when they quoted 50% more ? they skipped the m3 as the numbers didnt look as good for marketing
Brother my cpu fan is running by itself idk what the fk to do
Reese fumbled that pass so hard 😂 it would’ve been so easy to say “well what is love? Baby don’t hurt me…don’t hurt me…no more…” 😂😂😂
I always read into the HN NH sign as intentionally "Hot News! News Hot!" like "We have the hot news, get the news while it's hot!" or "It Hot News, News Hot off the Press!" like an old fashioned news caller on the street selling newspapers. Leaning the Hot News Deep Lore was not on my bingo card for today, yet here it is. Nice! :)
Mod Your M4 iPad to run super cool. I will watch more UFD Tech and so will a million others.
Gotta remember to turn off HDR so I don't get flashbanged by UFD's white text screens :P
🙀 I just realized that comment response was supposed to be a little bit by the end, but now it's more than half the episode 😅
I think I figured it out guys. Intel is saying just enable Resizable BAR. That will fix it!
The casual way you mentioned being an overclocking champion. 😂
From a business perspective legal wise you NEVER admit fault as lawyers will tell you. So this is the reason why companies never apologize, because if they do so, it puts them into more harms way in the legal sense. This makes it incredibly hard for companies to do the "right" thing morally as the legal side of things largely prevents them from doing so. So I don't expect to see an "oops we're sorry" in the slightest here because companies are not willing to risk opening themselves up to law suits because it becomes easier to sue them if they have admitted to wrong doing since you no longer have to prove it as you can simply use their words. Welcome to the world of business where things are cut throat and rarely easy to decipher.
I'm very bamboozled how companies, despite having PR divisions, still delivering bad PR.
Intel has got to come out on this power issue with a "but really" because. if you use the 188W setting, it issuch a drop from the default settings on most of these boards that the CPU, 14900K/13900K just throttle like mad. I've run a test trying both and the performance drop is more than 20% in several apps we test, and that makes it where a 7800X3D just thrashes a 14900KS. Hard to spend twice as much for way less performance.
Buildzoid made a video about Intel Statement.
I have so much more empathy for the systems engineer that puts together the motherboard specs and components. This time I'm not blaming the engineer.
If you have a good mobo and your cpu is stable don't use Intel Baseline Profiles. That is how I read it.
And yet the outro logo is blue H pink N and not just on this video to mees with people....🤣
I would pay to see an interaction between Riley from LTT and Kyler.
Ryzen AI is fair naming. They’re are putting massive NPUs in strix point. It’s better than all the other company’s labeling themselves with AI when they are just using ChatGPT or something.
Them x3D chips and them overall great power consumption across Ryzen chips finally made AMD the victor.
Will not just cost less now, will cost less to maintain long-term.
Apple’s M4 is on a significantly cheaper and lower power TSMC 3nm process than M3, switching M3 to the new process would have been a similar amount of work to creating M4.
I used to be an Intel CPU fanboy, but after the 3D Vcache processors from AMD, I decided that I'm gonna buy those from now on for brand new rigs. Learning about the power efficiency and stability compared to Intel's latest is just icing on the cake, sorta justifies my own decision to prefer AMD this time around
my new hob says it has an AI zone, in reality theres zero programming or processing involved, its just got multiple induction coils so you can put a pan anywhere on it. They really do stick the letters AI on things for zero reason, even when its false advertising.
Next episode you gotta cover how fanatec just got acquired by Corsair . Corsair has entered the sim racing arena!
Impressive that Brett a millennial is able to embrace getting old, barely looks 20 even though he’s been through quite a lot in life.
Kudos sunscreen and realizing time comes for us all, love your fellow mid 30-year-olds.
It would seem to me, that, perhaps, motherboards that cannot provide full power to the cpus in question, should have a label of “limited compatibility “ on them.
Interesting choice at the start of the video that many probably didn't spot. Intel i960 was intels second attempt to replace x86 with something they had full control over (tbm insisted that Intel had a second supplier for the original ibm pc, which was amd, Intel tried to later freeze amd out by not sharing the 386 design onwards, but amd made their own. Later this was resolved when Intel had another failure and needed 64bit on x86, which amd had developed).
Intel i432 and iA64 were the others. I432 ended up like i960 in printers and other devices, iA64? That was itanium and it is typically known as itannic by many..
its amps and voltage that screwing the cpus not power draw
I'm fairly certain that it was not the 253W profile that was causing the instability but mobo manufacturers that ignored it and run the CPUs beyond the intended 253W max TDP. I call that overclocking given todays current climate of CPUs not really having any headroom anymore. It's the same thing as PBO on the AMD side. If a CPU is not stable with intel extreme profile then it is defective and needs to be replaced under warranty since some person at intel said that unlimited power was 'in spec' even though it clearly exceeds the intended spec of the CPU and should be considered as overclocking.
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