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I'm subscribed to the game channel, here is my Star Trek Uniforms... 1)Beyond Uniforms 2)Wrath of Khan Uniforms 3)TNG S3 Uniforms 4)Early DS9 & VOY Uniforms 5)TNG Movie & Late DS9 Uniforms 6)Star Trek 1966 Uniforms 7)ENT Uniforms 8)Star Trek 2009 Uniforms 9)TMP Uniforms 10)DIS S1-2 Uniforms 11)Picard Uniforms 12)TNG S1-2 Uniforms What do you think of the list and do you disagree with me?
I do actually kinda like the Discovery Uniforms too - but there are two elements I'm not so sure about. The Shoes & the way the department colours get lost. I actually like how they dress Culber sometimes - his white Uniform - and I think some iterations on those would be something I'd like it would look perhaps a little less like a south american football team's tracksuit team training photos. As for the Star Trek 2009 Uniforms I like the Gold much more than the usual Mustard. One of my fav uniforms is perhaps the Future Uniforms - Seven looked really nice in that blue one they put her in for example. Beverly and Troi look nice in their Later season Uniforms too - and to some extent Data - but sometimes Worf looked a bit uncomfortable in his. If you had to twist my arm I think excluding some very obscure background ones - I'd have to go with Voyager - in that perhaps along with Enterprise it's one i'd not mind being seen wearing in public. But yes I also like Kirk's Jacket from beyond - but the Uniform Spock has on from the Franklin is really nice too. Some of the JJverse Universe look better than others though - I think Uhura looks very nice for example the balance of colours and fit is mostly nice on her. But Spock's doesn't really fit him very well. I'm not a fan of the Season 1 ^& 2 TNG Jumpsuits though - once they were two pieces then I like them more.
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My personal favorite is the _The Wrath of Khan_ through _Undiscovered Country_ style followed by the late _DS9_ uniforms. With the _Enterprise_ jumpsuit uniforms as thrid.
The Discovery uniforms look like Adidas soccer practice uniforms to me - I actually prefer the new Starfleet 32nd Century ones - they look more militaristic which fits this future world The Wrath of Khan ones are my favourite - the TNG First Contact ones a close second
For my personal tastes, I think the largest difference between your list and my own ranking would be to flip the dominion war uniforms and the discovery main ones. I can't stand the tiny insignia aesthetic and they feel terribly over designed, while the Dominion War uniforms are some of the most smart and classy ones.
Whether I completely agree with them or not, I infinitely prefer lists like this, made from an individual person's honest thoughts over any of those soulless watchmojo videos.
My personal favourite was always the Voyager/Early DS9 uniform. In my opinion, they captured the perfect balance of everything. They look well made and have a high quality appearance to them, while also showing the vibrant colours. Compared to the TNG uniforms, which in early seasons kind of had a cheap body suit appearance to them. I also think they look sleek and have a bunch of minor details that make them look more polished. Like the undershirt, front slit, etc.
Originally designed for TNG movies. They couldn't make up their mind should movies and tv-shows have separate uniforms. Originally TNG-movies were going to get new uniform in the first TNG film Generations. That uniform didn't work and they reverted to using mixture of TNG and DS9 uniforms. The black and grey uniform was for the First Contact. To give movie literally darker tone.
They definitely fit the much darker tone of DS9 in the later seasons, more professional and subdued, they look like proper uniforms for a military/exploratory force, and considering the Dominion war they fit perfectly while still keeping a little bit of color around the collar.
Good analysis just one comment on the DS9 uniforms...I think this was mainly done because of the dominion war. It's not so great to wear brightly colored clothing when people are shooting at you...
It was developed for First Contact so that the uniforms would have more texture (the shoulder braids or whatever) and look better on the big screen than the rather flat, if brightly colored, TNG or early DS9 uniforms. They actually look like uniforms. They're my favorite.
Outside of Enterprsie series and the Kelvin Dress uniforms, they are the closed to what real uniforms would be. Militaries don't wear mutliple colored uniform except in one instance and that is on a flight deck of a aircraft carrier so the Air Boss can see who's what.
From a strictly practical standpoint, the Disco uniforms are probably my least favorite. The different department colors should tell you at a glance what role a person fills aboard the ship, not unlike the jackets for a flight deck crew on an aircraft carrier. Of all the designs, Disco's metallic accents do the worst job of this; the colors just don't stand out enough from one another, especially in limited-visibility conditions. The movie and ENT uniforms have the same problem, but there's just enough color in them - and enough contrast between those colors - to make a meaningful difference. Oddly enough, the lower-budget TV uniforms have been the most effective in this regard; personally, I favor the simple and straightforward designs of TOS and Voyager. (To Rowan: if you happen to reply to this, what kind of color-blindness do you have specifically? It might better inform my understanding of how you perceive the designs.)
I think its the lighting of the show. I went to see the Discovery exhibit in Los Angeles and you could really tell the difference between the gold and the bronze.
As per Nichelle Nichol's autobiography, all the uniforms in Star Trek: The Motion Picture were supposed to be like Kirk's admiral uniform, with the two tone effect, which would have been an improvement, particularly if they had gone with a colour other than beige.
@@Chris-rp9df I used to watch Enterprise with my dad when I was about 4 years old! Daft as it sounds, it's what got me interested in Physics. 18 years later and I'm busy working on my PhD thanks largely to T'Pol!
@@sarahscott5305 Star treks got a lot of people into physics over the years. I wish someone would make a fan edit where at the end of the series where Archers about to give his big speech. When he hugs T'pol he quantum leaps out.
@@sarahscott5305 Season 5 was supposed to be about the earth romulan war.. its a shame we never got to see this as Enterprise was hitting its stride.. its too much to hope for some movies set in the 10 years before the final episode i think.
I hate the Discovery Uniforms. But love The Wrath of Khan to ST 6 uniforms. Remember they even used them in TNG in flash backs. When Picard entered Star Flert they were still using them. So that uniform. May have the longest run in Star Fleet.
@@AndrewD8Red exactly my point. They had a very long run. Look how often uniforms changed during TNG up until Voyager. Very little change happened with the TOS films uniforms. When picard was stabbed and had to get an artificial heart him and his fellow cadets were wearing them.
Idk for me the first Discovery uniforms are probably my least favorite overall, maybe tied with the TMP ones. They just look overly complicated yet don't do much to make the different divisions and ranks stand out.
There's a bit of minutiae about the TWOK uniforms that I enjoy. Note the several different colours of the undershirts and shoulder and wrist straps, denoting department. But they're not the basic three colours of broader groups of departments that the TOS uniforms featured. There's now a different colour for each specific department. Some of those colours don't go especially well with the red tunics, such as the mint green for Medical, but it gives the uniforms a little bit more visual interest. But what's really curious is that those department colours were carried over from the TMP "70s cult pajamas" uniforms. You'd never notice it if you aren't looking for it, but those same department colours were present in tiny portions on the backing circles behind the Starfleet insignia on the chest. They're also a bit more visible on arm bands on the overcoats our heroes wear at the end of TMP when they go out to meet V'ger. It's fascinating, to me, that when TWOK completely redesigned everything else about the Starfleet uniforms, that one element was retained and expanded. I wonder who decided that and why. For those interested, the complete list of the movie-series department colours, as well as a wealth of other design elements, can be found in Pocket Books' 1987 licensed tech manual "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise."
They’re also available on Memory Alpha in a table of departmental colours. They switched a couple of the departments around between the two uniforms but yeah, they’re mostly kept the same.
Having served in the United States military, the one criticism I've always had with Starfleet uniforms (yes I know Starfleet isn't supposed to be "the military", but still), they only seem to have slightly different versions of a uniform at any given time period (mostly distinguishable by colors rather than functionality). Starfleet should have multiple uniform types in any given era. For example, they should have a dress uniform, a field uniform, a medical uniform, and at least 2 or 3 variants of a duty uniform, etc which all look very different from each other and function differently. The problem I have with the Discovery uniforms for instance is that they all look uncomfortable and hot as something to be worn all-day long. In the military, we have long sleeve variants, short sleeve variants, and different coats/jackets to be worn if extra layers were needed. We also have dress uniforms that don't look like dresses, and which have lots of accouterments on them. Why don't they wear ribbons or medals on their dress uniforms? Why don't they wear name tags or unit/ship patches on their duty uniforms (other than the Starfleet insignia). Something to identify the person besides just their rank and job. Why not wheel caps or some "cover" for field uniforms when they are off the ship? (We saw this in the JJ Abrams films, but that's all). My favorite uniforms are: 1) Dress uniforms: - Wrath of Khan - red/maroon service dress uniform (SF headquarters, formal hearings, conferences) - Insurrection - "mess dress whites" (ceremonial occasions/Starfleet banquets/weddings) 2) Duty uniforms: - First Contact/DS9 - black/grey w/division color undershirt (standard duty uniform) - Voyager - black/division color top w/violet undershirt (engineering/maintenance coveralls) 3) Field Uniform: - Enterprise - Indigo "flight suits" w/ baseball cap (for away-team or shuttle flight missions) 4) Medical Tunic: - ST Beyond - Blue medical uniform (for medical personal only) 5) EVA suit: - First Contact - Environmental pressure suit
i would say it would go somewhere in the middle. the intro theme captures and explains the basic themes of both enterprise and startrek very well. the worst theme is discoveries as it has no rhythm and is oddly atonal. i love the show but the theme sucks ass
I think they should have flashbacked to the First Contact style uniforms, it would have grounded it more. No need to introduce yet another design. Bear in mind Starfleet used the TWOK uniforms for many decades.
Yeah I think the First Contact, Late DS9 uniforms are clearly the best, up with the Wrath of Khan uniforms. They both actually look like uniforms and not so silly and brightly-colored crayons for 1960s color TVs.
The TMP belt buckle box things weren't supposed to be life support. According to the designers, they were supposed to be life signs monitors, so McCoy could check everyone's health at a glance from sickbay, regardless of where they were. If you can find it, there's a 1979 issue of Fantastic Films and Science Fiction that spent about a quarter of its total page count to discuss the costumes and interview the designers and stuff. Slow news day, I guess.
Correct. I read the same issue. The belt buckles were plastic and constantly being crushed when actors leaned against the railings on the bridge or other parts of the set and the needed to be replaced multiple times per day. Fun times!
The belt was adapted from Moonbase Alpha Space 1999 uniforms, as the film shared a costume designer. Roddenberry wanted something more modern, the costume designer just recreated his earlier British MOD work.
@@STho205 Hm. That's interesting, since the Moonbase Alpha uniforms were originally supposed to incorporate a jewel-like biomonitor for exactly the same purpose, though it wasn't in the belt, and it never actually made it onscreen, the idea having been ditched before the show went into production. Still that's interesting. The TMP uniforms don't look that much like the $19.99 uniforms, but I can see a similarity there.
@@mahatmarandy5977 take another look at Barbara Bains working uniform and Landau's undress without the jacket and Kirk's undress. Replace the bell bottoms. Same silhouette Similar oatmeal colors Similar plastic waist belt A very boring 1970s style of bland. UFO had wild clothes because it was made in 1969 and was top of Caraby Street MOD directed by Sylvia Anderson. She thought she could sell the moon babe outfits to the modern career woman in 69 omitting the purple wigs. No kidding. That's why the showed Drake converting her pantsuit into a minidress for off duty leisure (club night) in the UFO pilot.
You had me until number 1. I really haven't liked the discovery uniform, which was really confirmed when they stood alongside the updated TOS uniforms, which they should have done from the beginning!
Nice list but your number 1, is actually my least favorite. I prefer the Kelvin uniforms over disco. I'd rather wear TMP. Fav are TWOK scarlet uniforms.
I think Kirk's rear admiral's uniform is the only one that stands out a little, maybe also those engineering suits that look like they're radiation-proof or something. The security body armor and helmets also stands out, but because they're ridiculous.
That flag officer uniform is the exception that makes the rule when it comes to TMP's awful uniforms. That thing is brilliant and the reboot movie version of the same in Jar Jar Abrams movies is also nice. That being said, one thing reboot movies did right were the uniforms. Especially grey service uniforms with peaked caps and especially the admirals version with white front looked good.
One of the few fans of the TMP uniforms here! YES, they were deeply 70's! As much as the TV show reflected early color television with primary-color uniforms, the Motion Picture reflected the 1970's infatuation with "Earth tones"; of beige, gray, and brown. The actors hated them because they were all pushing 50, or older, so no one wants to get into a form-fitting catsuit, as you're no longer in the prime of your youth! However, I feel the TMP uniforms reflect Roddenberry's true vision of Star Trek the best out of any. They reflect a team of earnest scientists traveling outwards, rather than pure military, which we begin to see in the next film, but it gets way worse later! I love the TMP uniforms still, although, the command one's often appear on film as light blue, yet they look much better when seen in their actual cool gray form.
In my opinion the best ever starlet uniform was the one introduced in the ST-II The Wrath of Khan. Now as to the ST:TMP uniforms those belt-buckles weren't life-support units they monitored the life-signs/health of the wearer and were called persians.
Nice list, I also really like the Lower Decks uniforms that merge elements of The Wrath of Khan uniforms with The Next Generation uniform style, plus I too am a fan of bright and colourful uniforms.
In my opinion the best ever starlet uniform was the one introduced in ST-II: The Wrath of Khan now as to the "Life support" buckles in the ST:TMP uniforms they weren't they were called "Perscans" and their function was to monitor the health of the crew member wearing them.
@@TrekBeatTK which was also beige and tan. Glad those were updated to gold/yellow. (And I'm glad the cage uniforms got updated from that velvet turtleneck sweater look)
The real purpose of those giant belt buckles: to hold their Federation Express Credit Cards.. they might need those credit cards when visiting strange, new worlds. The Federation Express: don't leave the Starbase without them
I can't stand the ST:D uniform and the TNG uniform was hideous, I really wish that when TNG went into production they continued to use the Movie era uniforms introduced in ST-II.
@@RowanJColeman I love the Romulans! Did you know one of the early pitches for Voyager had it set on a Romulan ship chasing a Starfleet ship into the Badlands? I think that's the biggest missed opportunity in Trek.
To me, the Enterprise uniforms are the most practical and realistic since they have useful pockets, look comfortable, aren't skin tight, and appear to be made of a practical material (not 100% spandix). That would be the uniform I would want to wear but I do think they should be 2 pieces instead of a jumpsuit however. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the nicest looking IMO but seem too formal for a duty uniform. The TOS uniform ain't terrible either. I agree TMP are the worst and TNG Season I are almost as bad. How are pockets still not useful in the 23rd and 24th century? Do the vast majority of guys in the future really want to have their junk and beer belly on full display?
The Motion Picture uniforms that put extra emphasis on the crotch and season 1 TNG “skirts” that guys wore were the worst costume design decisions in the history of this franchise. Meanwhile, the First Contact/DS9 and Wrath of Khan uniforms are the best of Trek.
I've been hoping you'd do a ranking like this for uniforms for a while. And now that I've seen it, I must say that while I respect your taste, I don't agree with your ranking. For me personally, the best uniform in Star Trek thus far has been the late DS9 uniform. As you yourself said, they're very professional and clean looking. Everyone shares the same color, style and fit just as you said you preferred in your top ranking uniforms, and for me the splash of color at the neck is more than enough to denote what your field of expertise is in Starfleet. It also retains the simple combadge design and the neck pickups. All of which you also seemed to overall like. Plus, you can take off the jacket top, and it's the only uniform that has ever had a matching vest underneath which showcases more of the color from the shirt. In all honesty, being a military man myself, I can honestly say that it's by far the most believable of all of these Star Trek uniforms (outside of Enterprise's post-NASA jumpsuits) showcasing something that a military or paramilitary outfit would wear daily. It's 100% an Army BTU/ASU type uniform. Just barely below that for me are the British Navy inspired original movie uniforms. Just like you I've always loved them because of the way that, as you said, they harken back to an older time while still managing to feel futuristic and believable. (Even though they feel more like dress uniforms than daily wear and work uniforms.) And if I'm being honest, every other uniform in Trek falls far beneath those two for me into an unorganized mass of "I don't really care for these uniforms.". LOL.
When I was at 2nd place and there was a TNG uniform I was just thinking.... no, no 1st place can't be DIS uniforms cuz they're the worst :) The Pike DIS uniforms those are pretty awesome but the blue gold something.... awful... not resemble anything from older series not distinguishing anything.
It picks up the all blue look from Enterprise, so I get it as an evolution. Except Enterprise had the division colours already, which were then lost in favour of gold, silver and bronze. It's actually the only thing about STD that looks suitably old fashioned as it's quite a retro Sci-Fi aesthetic.
Like that blue color itself.... that's ok and not looking that bad but overall... ENT looks pretty practical (all those pockets etc.) and yep they are blue.... but those yellow, red, blue stripes resemble some of older (future :) uniforms and also helps distinguish the sections. DIS gold and bronze looks almost from every distance the same and silver... it could be more like present day us military... distinguish officers and enlisted or higher and lower ranks.
Althou I can agree that it would be nice with a little more color on the DS9 gray unifroms, I have to say that they really fit thematically with the darker themes that the later seasons have. Star fleet beeing pushed to their limit because of the war. Sisko doing some dirty tricks to get to his goals
I have the same issue with TMP and STD uniforms, they look like pyjamas, lol. I also hated the first couple of seasons on TNG uniforms with that all in one tight fitting thing. They looked so much better when they went to a jacket and pants. Enterprise uniforms I feel are the most practical, the most realistic that a future space navy would wear. But my favourite are without doubt TWOK uniforms and a close second the Voyager ones.
I'm not going to knock you for #1 being the original discovery uniforms, but personally I would choose the monster Maroons as the best. Partly for nostalgia as I grew up on the movies before the original series, and they are way better than the TNG uniforms in my opinion.
The "tummy warmer" boxes were supposed to be biometric monitors. Why they'd need to be so big when Space: 1999 had wrist-mounted affairs not too dissimilar to the fitness trackers of today, who knows? As weird as the STD season 3 unis are, they're still better than those blue-and-lam nightmares they wore before. I would put the '09 Star Trek/Into Darkness uniforms higher, maybe even second only to the Star Trek II-VI uniforms. I like how they go hard back to the Original Star Trek unis, with a black crew-neck undershirt and the colored tunic on top. This was how they were supposed to be in the series, and you can see it in "The Naked Time" when Spock and Tormolin are being checked after beaming back from Psi 2000. Also whenever Dr. McCoy wears his short-sleeve tunic. The metal Starfleet delta is a great touch as well. I'd rank the Star Trek Beyond unis below these. I do not like the high collar on them, and I think the patterning on the prior design has a lot more visual interest than the very flat and matte fabric here. Ugh. The "Enterprise" jumpsuits go only just above the TMP ones. More colorful, but too utilitarian. Guh! No, the flashback "Picard" unis go below the late DS9 ones. I agree, though, that the present-day versions for that series are better than Voyager. A little more crisp, though the insignia should be higher up on the chest. Heresy! No TNG designs can surpass the "Wrath of Khan" unis! And then you had to go all STD on us! Yikes, brother! These are only marginally better than the TMP outfits. I *deeply* hate the asymmetric collars and insignia. They're hideous, and putting the Original Star Trek color scheme on them only makes them worse! 🤢🤮
You ranked the defiant/ent e bridge designs botton i loved them, you ranked the first contact uniform botton i love it we don't can agree can't we? Just kidding you love babylon 5 so your taste can't be bad
The reason for the colorful uniforms in TOS was because it broadcast on NBC. At the time NBC was heavily promoting their Color programming. And you missed the Cage Uniforms.
The number of times you mentioned how much you like the "splash of color" in the uniforms, and you picked Enterprise over TOS, and Discovery as #1... Seems little inconsistent. For me, #1 will always be the Wrath of Khan uniforms, with #2 being the late DS9/First Contact uniforms.
I’ve seen plenty of IRL military folks complain about similar-looking insignias on their coworkers shoulders and not knowing which kind of sergeant etc to address them as until they get super close.
Your first place is actually my least favourite. I also don't like the uniforms of the original crew movie era very much, just because they don't fit very well into all the other styles in my opinion.
I've always thought the Motion Picture uniforms were a kitbash of John Travolta's outfits from Saturday Night Fever and the uniforms from Space: 1999 (especially McCoy's)
Biggest flaw of Disco's uniforms for me is the lack of distinctive color for the departments. It seems like there's only two, gold and silver. Also, this is Star Trek, it is supposed to be colorful (and thight, so Disco season 3 are specially out), that's why I dont like any of the grey uniforms, Dominion War era included, even if these are maybe the less "pyjamasy".
too many uniform redesigns- ugh. I can't help but think that young newly employed clothing designers push the show creators to redesign the uniforms just to be cool to them rather than focusing on continuity of timelines sewing together all the various shows. I think it would be much more dramatic as a whole universe series to have the same uniform design - TNG, VOYAGER, DS9, and the next generation movies would all match. but I like the wrath of khan thru undiscovered county best
The Motion Picture uniforms looked like pyjamas and the lack of colour was a design choice of Gene Roddenberry because he didn't want the uniforms to detract from the special effects. Which was the biggest problem with The Motion Picture, far too much focus on special effects and not enough on characters and story.
My favourite is the All Good Things / Endgame / The Visitor future uniform. I’d hoped we’d see an updated version in Picard, though what we did see was kind of a mash-up of it and the Voyager one. Also about Discovery’s alternate trifecta of department colours, the 29th century Timefleet uniforms did something similar, being grey, olive, and dark blue or something like that. They just went with dark shades instead of metallic ones.
Your list and my list are very different. My favorites are the red Wrath of Khan uniforms. My most hated are the Next Generation onesie pajamas, I mean uniforms, though I think the Motion Picture uniforms are only marginally better.
Late 1990s early 2000s (grey and black in particular) are the best followed or on par with the burgundy 1980s movies ones. They have no equal-- I like professionalism, rank, and quality of construction over color or flash.
I feel you can always tell Starfleets mindset by whether or not they’re wearing grey or black in their uniforms and how militaristic Starfleet is at that point in their history. I personally love the 32nd century uniforms, but they could add a few things. Some of the officers wear rank on their shoulders, but not all, make this common place and break up the monotony of the uniforms. Add a colored stripe down the pants and a strip around the wrists DS9/First Contact style. I like the simplicity of them compared to Discovery’s first style which seemed too in your face. I loved those too, but I felt they should’ve been much earlier than they were. My three favorite Uniforms are the Kelvin Uniforms, the ones worn on the Kelvin, I just really dig them. The monster maroons at 2 and TNG 1st season(man skirt included) at 3. I never liked the TOS uniforms, but did really like the Cage versions. The Beyond Uniforms were gorgeous and would definitely be number 4 for a top five list of my own. The Franklin Uniforms, also with grey, were wonderful. They definitely felt like a natural progression of the Enterprise Uniforms. The Enterprise Jumpsuit was Earth Starfleet, and the Franklin Uniforms were Federation Starfleet if you know what I mean. So, basically when Starfleet has to go on a more military footing, they tend to go for darker colors and more militaristic and/or simple styles. I also always felt that the Monster Maroon modifications from TNG that were seen for the Jack Crusher hologram and The Enterprise C should be considered placeholders until something is designed for that era. One could argue the Discovery Uniforms did that with the Cage Uniforms. I also wouldn’t object if at some point they switch the Strange New Worlds Uniforms for the Beyond ones and just pretend they are the TOS ones, just updated for the 21st century. The Disco Uniforms I always felt should’ve been after the Franklin Uniforms, but before the Kelvin Uniforms. They fit better for me there, but I did get used to them. Also, on an unrelated note, a buddy of mine who’s a quantum physicist, put me in my place when I said the Spore Drive was silly. He told me that the Mycelium Network sounded like Quantum Filaments to him, just you know, not Mushrooms. He said that the Spore Drive worked on the principle of using quantum filaments to travel faster than light, only safer. He used the Solar Sail Ship Simulation in Tron as an example. The ship in Tron didn’t use solar energy, but a beam of energy to move. They then had to transfer to another beam of energy. This would be like traveling using a quantum filament, one would lasso(his word) a quantum filament and use it to pull yourself along within a quantum flux or whatever he said, and arrive somewhere else along the path of quantum filaments. One could jump tracks to change direction. I have a background in Psychology, not Physics, so I don’t know exactly what he said. So there you go, A second hand account saying the Spore Drive isn’t stupid.
The late DS9 uniforms make sense with where the story was headed-- a more muted look as they headed toward the Dominion War. What do you think of the Strange New Worlds uniforms?
My favorite is the Picard flash back uniforms. Since they look like a proper dress uniform that someone would wear whose job is mainly on a ship. Also I think the season 3 Discovery would work better if they opened up like the Wrath of Khan Uniforms since that would give them a visual distinctiveness need for such a uniform.
My personal faves are the TNG uniforms from season 3 onwards, the First Contact/later DS9 uniforms, the Wrath of Khan uniforms and the Discovery uniforms.
My favourite uniforms are Wrath Of Khan to Undiscovered Country. In fact, the atheistic of all those films I really love. Including the design of the refit/Enterprise A. Best Enterprise design by far.
My top three are: Voyager, TNG, Picard. I will agree, the same color uniforms look great, but the pulpy sci-fi feel of the colorful uniforms just screams Starfleet to me! I wouldn't mind however, if the security officers looked a bit more... tactical, like some light shoulder / elbow pads, and a phaser holster. And the Capitan having a more formal dress uniform, along with Number 1 and other higher ranking staff, for formal occasions. For exploratory missions, it may be helpful to identify someone's field easily.
Beyond (and Kelvin timeline) has the best uniform. ENT comes next for me bc it’s got that old school NASA looks, and Disco after that bc blue is my fave color 😛 (Disco-Enterprise uniforms gets counts in this rank too bc they look good)
Interesting choices. I think the Discovery Enterprise uniforms are too different from TOS, when they're supposed to sit in the same timeframe, and the Discovery uniforms are too way off for me. My favourites are the Star Trek II - VI/Generations uniforms. 😀 Really never liked the Deep Space Nine/ Voyager uniforms.
The reason for why the new grey uniforms don't look like they properly fit on the Discovery crew while they fit on folks like Vance might be that the ones they're wearing are not tailor made yet and they just got what was lying around for the extras that were running around in the corridors of the HQ. That way, the costs for newly tailored uniforms is basically outsourced to season 4's budget. We only saw them for a few seconds in them in season 3, so wasting a big chunk of costume budget on such a small scene when you can do it differently is a relatively good idea. Also we're just so used to seeing them in the blue uniforms lol
If only they had designed off Admiral Kirk's uniform design in TMP. The collar is good, the grey base with the center panel color for rank (white admiral, red command, etc.), change the top's hemline, change the pants to black or charcoal, a heavier fabric but not so heavy as Khan jackets - a blend of the Wrath of Khan and TMP.
Can you do a ranking for the starfleet badges? The normal ones not the ranks. Cause they have a lot to do for me on how a uniform looks. As former military badges, insignias many times made or break the uniforms especially when called up for inspection and I always thing a good insignia is a telling sign of your uniform
I think the Starfleet-of-the-Future ones from Disco S3 would be good as dress uniforms. You can leave an admiral in them and the main crew wears them occasionally, but yeah, I want more pop for the majority of scenes
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I'm subscribed to the game channel, here is my Star Trek Uniforms...
1)Beyond Uniforms
2)Wrath of Khan Uniforms
3)TNG S3 Uniforms
4)Early DS9 & VOY Uniforms
5)TNG Movie & Late DS9 Uniforms
6)Star Trek 1966 Uniforms
7)ENT Uniforms
8)Star Trek 2009 Uniforms
9)TMP Uniforms
10)DIS S1-2 Uniforms
11)Picard Uniforms
12)TNG S1-2 Uniforms
What do you think of the list and do you disagree with me?
I do actually kinda like the Discovery Uniforms too - but there are two elements I'm not so sure about.
The Shoes
& the way the department colours get lost.
I actually like how they dress Culber sometimes - his white Uniform - and I think some iterations on those would be something I'd like it would look perhaps a little less like a south american football team's tracksuit team training photos.
As for the Star Trek 2009 Uniforms I like the Gold much more than the usual Mustard.
One of my fav uniforms is perhaps the Future Uniforms - Seven looked really nice in that blue one they put her in for example.
Beverly and Troi look nice in their Later season Uniforms too - and to some extent Data - but sometimes Worf looked a bit uncomfortable in his.
If you had to twist my arm I think excluding some very obscure background ones - I'd have to go with Voyager - in that perhaps along with Enterprise it's one i'd not mind being seen wearing in public.
But yes I also like Kirk's Jacket from beyond - but the Uniform Spock has on from the Franklin is really nice too. Some of the JJverse Universe look better than others though - I think Uhura looks very nice for example the balance of colours and fit is mostly nice on her. But Spock's doesn't really fit him very well.
I'm not a fan of the Season 1 ^& 2 TNG Jumpsuits though - once they were two pieces then I like them more.
Just in case you see this, I've got a probably very stupid/naïve question, if you don't mind?
I've never been on social media or UA-cam before a few days ago.
I've read some of your comments here and frankly, some of them are downright mean. Do you get a lot of backlash like this just because of your opinion? How do you put up with all that? Sorry for being nosey...
@@sarahscott5305 Thanks
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I meant other comment threads! Your comment was a nice one 😊
Sorry I'm not very good at this whole UA-cam thing.
My personal favorite is the _The Wrath of Khan_ through _Undiscovered Country_ style followed by the late _DS9_ uniforms. With the _Enterprise_ jumpsuit uniforms as thrid.
Ya I have to question the creator's sense of style here.
The word "smart" does some heavy lifting in this Supplimental.
Supplemental.
@@richardvinsen2385 Suplomental
Well, he *is* British
The Discovery uniforms look like Adidas soccer practice uniforms to me - I actually prefer the new Starfleet 32nd Century ones - they look more militaristic which fits this future world
The Wrath of Khan ones are my favourite - the TNG First Contact ones a close second
The 32nd century Discovery uniform just looks too communistic for me...
first contact ones look like an attempt to do an updated TWOK. but they don't quite pull it off. TWOK is #1
Coco-kaichou would LOVE the STD uniform, then.
No Diss against _Discovery_ but the _Wrath of Khan_ uniforms really should have been number #1. 😢☮🖖
I don't care what they say, STD is not Star Trek so those uniforms don't exist for me.
For my personal tastes, I think the largest difference between your list and my own ranking would be to flip the dominion war uniforms and the discovery main ones. I can't stand the tiny insignia aesthetic and they feel terribly over designed, while the Dominion War uniforms are some of the most smart and classy ones.
I was thinking exactly this (although I always think of the Dominion War uniforms as First Contact uniforms)
I also prefer the future Disco ones and the later DS9 ones. Guess I just have a thing for grey and black with a splash of colour.
I think the Discovery uniforms look like Adidas Track uniforms...look at the footwear they look like sneakers...
These lists are something else. I don't agree with them but they're original. I'll give you that, lol
His takes are always so hot it’s funny
Whether I completely agree with them or not, I infinitely prefer lists like this, made from an individual person's honest thoughts over any of those soulless watchmojo videos.
i agree, i think discovery's uniforms are horrendous but hearing someone who thinks they look good and why is pretty interesting
These are like my anti-lists for the most part.
My personal favourite was always the Voyager/Early DS9 uniform. In my opinion, they captured the perfect balance of everything. They look well made and have a high quality appearance to them, while also showing the vibrant colours. Compared to the TNG uniforms, which in early seasons kind of had a cheap body suit appearance to them. I also think they look sleek and have a bunch of minor details that make them look more polished. Like the undershirt, front slit, etc.
I love the late Ds9 uniforms! They seemed trim and refined after the more flashy and distracting evolution of TNG's colors and styles.
Flashy reds and gold jump suits didnt really set the tone for a war
I think they could use an update. Something about the material looks cheap these days sadly. I really love the design.
Originally designed for TNG movies. They couldn't make up their mind should movies and tv-shows have separate uniforms. Originally TNG-movies were going to get new uniform in the first TNG film Generations. That uniform didn't work and they reverted to using mixture of TNG and DS9 uniforms. The black and grey uniform was for the First Contact. To give movie literally darker tone.
They definitely fit the much darker tone of DS9 in the later seasons, more professional and subdued, they look like proper uniforms for a military/exploratory force, and considering the Dominion war they fit perfectly while still keeping a little bit of color around the collar.
Actually the black buckles on the. TM P uniforms was a monitor for sick Bay.
So you could be checked on while on duty.
Good analysis just one comment on the DS9 uniforms...I think this was mainly done because of the dominion war. It's not so great to wear brightly colored clothing when people are shooting at you...
It was also during the Borg invasion of earth and it shows the federation is a more militaristic due to the Borg and dominion
Well said
Oh yeah, for sure. It also worked thematically with the darker tone of those later DS9 seasons.
It was developed for First Contact so that the uniforms would have more texture (the shoulder braids or whatever) and look better on the big screen than the rather flat, if brightly colored, TNG or early DS9 uniforms.
They actually look like uniforms. They're my favorite.
@@chris57035 yeah I like those and the uniforms of st2-6 the best
For me the Wrath of Khan style uniforms were the best.
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This is the only correct answer
Outside of Enterprsie series and the Kelvin Dress uniforms, they are the closed to what real uniforms would be. Militaries don't wear mutliple colored uniform except in one instance and that is on a flight deck of a aircraft carrier so the Air Boss can see who's what.
^This.
@Michael Williams Agreed, but that was the only good one.
From a strictly practical standpoint, the Disco uniforms are probably my least favorite. The different department colors should tell you at a glance what role a person fills aboard the ship, not unlike the jackets for a flight deck crew on an aircraft carrier. Of all the designs, Disco's metallic accents do the worst job of this; the colors just don't stand out enough from one another, especially in limited-visibility conditions. The movie and ENT uniforms have the same problem, but there's just enough color in them - and enough contrast between those colors - to make a meaningful difference. Oddly enough, the lower-budget TV uniforms have been the most effective in this regard; personally, I favor the simple and straightforward designs of TOS and Voyager.
(To Rowan: if you happen to reply to this, what kind of color-blindness do you have specifically? It might better inform my understanding of how you perceive the designs.)
I think its the lighting of the show. I went to see the Discovery exhibit in Los Angeles and you could really tell the difference between the gold and the bronze.
As per Nichelle Nichol's autobiography, all the uniforms in Star Trek: The Motion Picture were supposed to be like Kirk's admiral uniform, with the two tone effect, which would have been an improvement, particularly if they had gone with a colour other than beige.
I agree. Kirk's Admiral uniform in TMP isn't that bad, the rest are just awful.
I like the Enterprise NASA-esque jumpsuit but I've got a soft spot for the DS9 uniform x
I agree. I love the enterprise asthetic with the submarine feel to to ship.
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I used to watch Enterprise with my dad when I was about 4 years old!
Daft as it sounds, it's what got me interested in Physics. 18 years later and I'm busy working on my PhD thanks largely to T'Pol!
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Star treks got a lot of people into physics over the years.
I wish someone would make a fan edit where at the end of the series where Archers about to give his big speech. When he hugs T'pol he quantum leaps out.
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That would have been pretty cool! Basically though, any alternative way they could have ended Enterprise would have been good.
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Season 5 was supposed to be about the earth romulan war.. its a shame we never got to see this as Enterprise was hitting its stride.. its too much to hope for some movies set in the 10 years before the final episode i think.
I hate the Discovery Uniforms. But love The Wrath of Khan to ST 6 uniforms. Remember they even used them in TNG in flash backs. When Picard entered Star Flert they were still using them. So that uniform. May have the longest run in Star Fleet.
They used them from the 2280s until the 2340s at the very least, as they were used on the Enterprise-C
@@AndrewD8Red exactly my point. They had a very long run. Look how often uniforms changed during TNG up until Voyager. Very little change happened with the TOS films uniforms. When picard was stabbed and had to get an artificial heart him and his fellow cadets were wearing them.
The late Deep Space Nine are my favourites With the wrath of Khan era being 2nd place.
Idk for me the first Discovery uniforms are probably my least favorite overall, maybe tied with the TMP ones. They just look overly complicated yet don't do much to make the different divisions and ranks stand out.
They are hideous. :\
There's a bit of minutiae about the TWOK uniforms that I enjoy. Note the several different colours of the undershirts and shoulder and wrist straps, denoting department. But they're not the basic three colours of broader groups of departments that the TOS uniforms featured. There's now a different colour for each specific department. Some of those colours don't go especially well with the red tunics, such as the mint green for Medical, but it gives the uniforms a little bit more visual interest. But what's really curious is that those department colours were carried over from the TMP "70s cult pajamas" uniforms. You'd never notice it if you aren't looking for it, but those same department colours were present in tiny portions on the backing circles behind the Starfleet insignia on the chest. They're also a bit more visible on arm bands on the overcoats our heroes wear at the end of TMP when they go out to meet V'ger. It's fascinating, to me, that when TWOK completely redesigned everything else about the Starfleet uniforms, that one element was retained and expanded. I wonder who decided that and why. For those interested, the complete list of the movie-series department colours, as well as a wealth of other design elements, can be found in Pocket Books' 1987 licensed tech manual "Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise."
They’re also available on Memory Alpha in a table of departmental colours. They switched a couple of the departments around between the two uniforms but yeah, they’re mostly kept the same.
It was Nicholas Meyer. He wanted s futuristic representation of naval uniforms of old, mixed with the bloused trousers and boots of TOS.
Having served in the United States military, the one criticism I've always had with Starfleet uniforms (yes I know Starfleet isn't supposed to be "the military", but still), they only seem to have slightly different versions of a uniform at any given time period (mostly distinguishable by colors rather than functionality). Starfleet should have multiple uniform types in any given era. For example, they should have a dress uniform, a field uniform, a medical uniform, and at least 2 or 3 variants of a duty uniform, etc which all look very different from each other and function differently. The problem I have with the Discovery uniforms for instance is that they all look uncomfortable and hot as something to be worn all-day long. In the military, we have long sleeve variants, short sleeve variants, and different coats/jackets to be worn if extra layers were needed. We also have dress uniforms that don't look like dresses, and which have lots of accouterments on them. Why don't they wear ribbons or medals on their dress uniforms? Why don't they wear name tags or unit/ship patches on their duty uniforms (other than the Starfleet insignia). Something to identify the person besides just their rank and job. Why not wheel caps or some "cover" for field uniforms when they are off the ship? (We saw this in the JJ Abrams films, but that's all). My favorite uniforms are:
1) Dress uniforms:
- Wrath of Khan - red/maroon service dress uniform (SF headquarters, formal hearings, conferences)
- Insurrection - "mess dress whites" (ceremonial occasions/Starfleet banquets/weddings)
2) Duty uniforms:
- First Contact/DS9 - black/grey w/division color undershirt (standard duty uniform)
- Voyager - black/division color top w/violet undershirt (engineering/maintenance coveralls)
3) Field Uniform:
- Enterprise - Indigo "flight suits" w/ baseball cap (for away-team or shuttle flight missions)
4) Medical Tunic:
- ST Beyond - Blue medical uniform (for medical personal only)
5) EVA suit:
- First Contact - Environmental pressure suit
The TWOK uniforms are my all time favourite as they are what a Trek uniform should be.
Movies Era/WoK Monster Maroons will always be my favorite.
Me too!
Same. Best looking, and the unique department uniform additions make sense.
You got it
@@XiaTheAbyssal absolutely. The crewmen/enlisted uniforms look amazing too. As well as engineering. Star Trek 6 really nailed it in all those areas.
ahh what could be next - intro theme song ranking? We all know where ENT would go 🤣
I for one strongly support your suggestion as a topic for a next video.
i would say it would go somewhere in the middle. the intro theme captures and explains the basic themes of both enterprise and startrek very well. the worst theme is discoveries as it has no rhythm and is oddly atonal. i love the show but the theme sucks ass
It's been a long road
All the way to the fucking bottom
Are we ranking the original and the remix separately?
Do it
The Picard Flashback uniforms are basically hockey jerseys.
Bingo!
I think they should have flashbacked to the First Contact style uniforms, it would have grounded it more. No need to introduce yet another design. Bear in mind Starfleet used the TWOK uniforms for many decades.
The 'boxes' with the TMP uniforms were not life support devices. They were supposed to be biometric data collectors/transponders.
Yeah I think the First Contact, Late DS9 uniforms are clearly the best, up with the Wrath of Khan uniforms. They both actually look like uniforms and not so silly and brightly-colored crayons for 1960s color TVs.
I really enjoyed this video despite disagreeing with almost every choice!
The TMP belt buckle box things weren't supposed to be life support. According to the designers, they were supposed to be life signs monitors, so McCoy could check everyone's health at a glance from sickbay, regardless of where they were.
If you can find it, there's a 1979 issue of Fantastic Films and Science Fiction that spent about a quarter of its total page count to discuss the costumes and interview the designers and stuff. Slow news day, I guess.
Correct. I read the same issue. The belt buckles were plastic and constantly being crushed when actors leaned against the railings on the bridge or other parts of the set and the needed to be replaced multiple times per day. Fun times!
The belt was adapted from Moonbase Alpha Space 1999 uniforms, as the film shared a costume designer.
Roddenberry wanted something more modern, the costume designer just recreated his earlier British MOD work.
@@STho205 Hm. That's interesting, since the Moonbase Alpha uniforms were originally supposed to incorporate a jewel-like biomonitor for exactly the same purpose, though it wasn't in the belt, and it never actually made it onscreen, the idea having been ditched before the show went into production.
Still that's interesting.
The TMP uniforms don't look that much like the $19.99 uniforms, but I can see a similarity there.
@@mahatmarandy5977 take another look at Barbara Bains working uniform and Landau's undress without the jacket and Kirk's undress. Replace the bell bottoms.
Same silhouette
Similar oatmeal colors
Similar plastic waist belt
A very boring 1970s style of bland. UFO had wild clothes because it was made in 1969 and was top of Caraby Street MOD directed by Sylvia Anderson. She thought she could sell the moon babe outfits to the modern career woman in 69 omitting the purple wigs. No kidding.
That's why the showed Drake converting her pantsuit into a minidress for off duty leisure (club night) in the UFO pilot.
You had me until number 1. I really haven't liked the discovery uniform, which was really confirmed when they stood alongside the updated TOS uniforms, which they should have done from the beginning!
Nice list but your number 1, is actually my least favorite. I prefer the Kelvin uniforms over disco. I'd rather wear TMP. Fav are TWOK scarlet uniforms.
I'm not crazy about TMP uniforms either, but Kirk's uniform when we first see him is nice 🖖
I think Kirk's rear admiral's uniform is the only one that stands out a little, maybe also those engineering suits that look like they're radiation-proof or something. The security body armor and helmets also stands out, but because they're ridiculous.
That flag officer uniform is the exception that makes the rule when it comes to TMP's awful uniforms. That thing is brilliant and the reboot movie version of the same in Jar Jar Abrams movies is also nice. That being said, one thing reboot movies did right were the uniforms. Especially grey service uniforms with peaked caps and especially the admirals version with white front looked good.
I like the TMP uniforms, even if they did only use them for one movie
One of the few fans of the TMP uniforms here! YES, they were deeply 70's! As much as the TV show reflected early color television with primary-color uniforms, the Motion Picture reflected the 1970's infatuation with "Earth tones"; of beige, gray, and brown.
The actors hated them because they were all pushing 50, or older, so no one wants to get into a form-fitting catsuit, as you're no longer in the prime of your youth! However, I feel the TMP uniforms reflect Roddenberry's true vision of Star Trek the best out of any. They reflect a team of earnest scientists traveling outwards, rather than pure military, which we begin to see in the next film, but it gets way worse later!
I love the TMP uniforms still, although, the command one's often appear on film as light blue, yet they look much better when seen in their actual cool gray form.
In my opinion the best ever starlet uniform was the one introduced in the ST-II The Wrath of Khan. Now as to the ST:TMP uniforms those belt-buckles weren't life-support units they monitored the life-signs/health of the wearer and were called persians.
Nice list, I also really like the Lower Decks uniforms that merge elements of The Wrath of Khan uniforms with The Next Generation uniform style, plus I too am a fan of bright and colourful uniforms.
In my opinion the best ever starlet uniform was the one introduced in ST-II: The Wrath of Khan now as to the "Life support" buckles in the ST:TMP uniforms they weren't they were called "Perscans" and their function was to monitor the health of the crew member wearing them.
But what about the most stylish of all uniforms? The TNG season 1 Man-Skirt uniforms?
Best uniforms ever, very freeing for the Starfleet officer on the go. Designed for maximum undercarriage ventilation🤣😂🤣😂
Those are the Zap Brannigan style! 😂
When you referred to 70's fashion, why didn't you just say 'Beige' 😁 and brown and beige and brown, varying shades of brown. The 70's 😉
To be fair, the TMP color scheme is really just the “Cage/Where No Man...” color scheme.
@@TrekBeatTK which was also beige and tan. Glad those were updated to gold/yellow. (And I'm glad the cage uniforms got updated from that velvet turtleneck sweater look)
Is this a Red Letter Media / Mr. Plinket reference?
Personally I always thought the discovery uniforms looked like Tracksuits.
The real purpose of those giant belt buckles: to hold their Federation Express Credit Cards.. they might need those credit cards when visiting strange, new worlds.
The Federation Express: don't leave the Starbase without them
I can't stand the ST:D uniform and the TNG uniform was hideous, I really wish that when TNG went into production they continued to use the Movie era uniforms introduced in ST-II.
I think I just got trolled! Well-played! 🖖😀
I don't suppose we could see more Romulan stuff? They're my favourites.
I want to do some kind of Romulan list yeah. Trying to decide what exactly to tackle: make up designs, ships, costumes etc
@@RowanJColeman Any of the above would be welcome. Love your stuff!
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I love the Romulans! Did you know one of the early pitches for Voyager had it set on a Romulan ship chasing a Starfleet ship into the Badlands?
I think that's the biggest missed opportunity in Trek.
@@RowanJColeman Top 10 Romulan characters would be good! Probably not enough variety of the other things.
To me, the Enterprise uniforms are the most practical and realistic since they have useful pockets, look comfortable, aren't skin tight, and appear to be made of a practical material (not 100% spandix). That would be the uniform I would want to wear but I do think they should be 2 pieces instead of a jumpsuit however. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the nicest looking IMO but seem too formal for a duty uniform. The TOS uniform ain't terrible either. I agree TMP are the worst and TNG Season I are almost as bad. How are pockets still not useful in the 23rd and 24th century? Do the vast majority of guys in the future really want to have their junk and beer belly on full display?
The Motion Picture uniforms that put extra emphasis on the crotch and season 1 TNG “skirts” that guys wore were the worst costume design decisions in the history of this franchise.
Meanwhile, the First Contact/DS9 and Wrath of Khan uniforms are the best of Trek.
I've been hoping you'd do a ranking like this for uniforms for a while. And now that I've seen it, I must say that while I respect your taste, I don't agree with your ranking.
For me personally, the best uniform in Star Trek thus far has been the late DS9 uniform. As you yourself said, they're very professional and clean looking. Everyone shares the same color, style and fit just as you said you preferred in your top ranking uniforms, and for me the splash of color at the neck is more than enough to denote what your field of expertise is in Starfleet. It also retains the simple combadge design and the neck pickups. All of which you also seemed to overall like. Plus, you can take off the jacket top, and it's the only uniform that has ever had a matching vest underneath which showcases more of the color from the shirt. In all honesty, being a military man myself, I can honestly say that it's by far the most believable of all of these Star Trek uniforms (outside of Enterprise's post-NASA jumpsuits) showcasing something that a military or paramilitary outfit would wear daily. It's 100% an Army BTU/ASU type uniform.
Just barely below that for me are the British Navy inspired original movie uniforms. Just like you I've always loved them because of the way that, as you said, they harken back to an older time while still managing to feel futuristic and believable. (Even though they feel more like dress uniforms than daily wear and work uniforms.)
And if I'm being honest, every other uniform in Trek falls far beneath those two for me into an unorganized mass of "I don't really care for these uniforms.". LOL.
When I was at 2nd place and there was a TNG uniform I was just thinking.... no, no 1st place can't be DIS uniforms cuz they're the worst :) The Pike DIS uniforms those are pretty awesome but the blue gold something.... awful... not resemble anything from older series not distinguishing anything.
It picks up the all blue look from Enterprise, so I get it as an evolution. Except Enterprise had the division colours already, which were then lost in favour of gold, silver and bronze. It's actually the only thing about STD that looks suitably old fashioned as it's quite a retro Sci-Fi aesthetic.
Like that blue color itself.... that's ok and not looking that bad but overall... ENT looks pretty practical (all those pockets etc.) and yep they are blue.... but those yellow, red, blue stripes resemble some of older (future :) uniforms and also helps distinguish the sections. DIS gold and bronze looks almost from every distance the same and silver... it could be more like present day us military... distinguish officers and enlisted or higher and lower ranks.
Wow... Almost on the same page... But Discovery uniforms look like track suits. Star Trek Jersey Shore.
Althou I can agree that it would be nice with a little more color on the DS9 gray unifroms, I have to say that they really fit thematically with the darker themes that the later seasons have. Star fleet beeing pushed to their limit because of the war. Sisko doing some dirty tricks to get to his goals
Actually My favourite uniforms are the ones from Voyager
I concur @heinzi MC. Best series and Best Uniform :)
I have the same issue with TMP and STD uniforms, they look like pyjamas, lol. I also hated the first couple of seasons on TNG uniforms with that all in one tight fitting thing. They looked so much better when they went to a jacket and pants. Enterprise uniforms I feel are the most practical, the most realistic that a future space navy would wear. But my favourite are without doubt TWOK uniforms and a close second the Voyager ones.
I believe they changed the uniforms on TNG because the actors were developing back problems.
@@robertdullnig3625 Correct :) I noticed that the poor background actors still had to wear them though, lol.
I'm not going to knock you for #1 being the original discovery uniforms, but personally I would choose the monster Maroons as the best. Partly for nostalgia as I grew up on the movies before the original series, and they are way better than the TNG uniforms in my opinion.
You completely lost me at the late DS9
Uniforms. They are my absolutely my favorite. It’s okay though to each their own.
TNG over the ST II-VI uniforms? In my opinion, the magnificent maroons are the best.
The "tummy warmer" boxes were supposed to be biometric monitors. Why they'd need to be so big when Space: 1999 had wrist-mounted affairs not too dissimilar to the fitness trackers of today, who knows?
As weird as the STD season 3 unis are, they're still better than those blue-and-lam nightmares they wore before.
I would put the '09 Star Trek/Into Darkness uniforms higher, maybe even second only to the Star Trek II-VI uniforms. I like how they go hard back to the Original Star Trek unis, with a black crew-neck undershirt and the colored tunic on top. This was how they were supposed to be in the series, and you can see it in "The Naked Time" when Spock and Tormolin are being checked after beaming back from Psi 2000. Also whenever Dr. McCoy wears his short-sleeve tunic. The metal Starfleet delta is a great touch as well. I'd rank the Star Trek Beyond unis below these. I do not like the high collar on them, and I think the patterning on the prior design has a lot more visual interest than the very flat and matte fabric here.
Ugh. The "Enterprise" jumpsuits go only just above the TMP ones. More colorful, but too utilitarian.
Guh! No, the flashback "Picard" unis go below the late DS9 ones. I agree, though, that the present-day versions for that series are better than Voyager. A little more crisp, though the insignia should be higher up on the chest.
Heresy! No TNG designs can surpass the "Wrath of Khan" unis! And then you had to go all STD on us! Yikes, brother! These are only marginally better than the TMP outfits. I *deeply* hate the asymmetric collars and insignia. They're hideous, and putting the Original Star Trek color scheme on them only makes them worse! 🤢🤮
2:25 We are beyond camel toes. These are full on Moose Knuckles.
You ranked the defiant/ent e bridge designs botton i loved them, you ranked the first contact uniform botton i love it we don't can agree can't we?
Just kidding you love babylon 5 so your taste can't be bad
The reason for the colorful uniforms in TOS was because it broadcast on NBC. At the time NBC was heavily promoting their Color programming.
And you missed the Cage Uniforms.
The number of times you mentioned how much you like the "splash of color" in the uniforms, and you picked Enterprise over TOS, and Discovery as #1... Seems little inconsistent.
For me, #1 will always be the Wrath of Khan uniforms, with #2 being the late DS9/First Contact uniforms.
I got really exited when you showed the graphic in the beginning with the 29th century time travel uniform, only for you to never mention it.
Either Starfleet personnel have excellent eyesight, or no one gets into trouble for not recognizing a superior officer.
Yeah. You'd go blind trying to discern a person's rank from those tiny buttons on the collar. Give me big gold braid on the sleeves any day!
I’ve seen plenty of IRL military folks complain about similar-looking insignias on their coworkers shoulders and not knowing which kind of sergeant etc to address them as until they get super close.
Your first place is actually my least favourite. I also don't like the uniforms of the original crew movie era very much, just because they don't fit very well into all the other styles in my opinion.
I've always thought the Motion Picture uniforms were a kitbash of John Travolta's outfits from Saturday Night Fever and the uniforms from Space: 1999 (especially McCoy's)
They did look like the Space 1999 uniforms! They could have been reusing the costumes.
Biggest flaw of Disco's uniforms for me is the lack of distinctive color for the departments. It seems like there's only two, gold and silver. Also, this is Star Trek, it is supposed to be colorful (and thight, so Disco season 3 are specially out), that's why I dont like any of the grey uniforms, Dominion War era included, even if these are maybe the less "pyjamasy".
After getting my ass kicked 4 times by the new Kobyashi Maru game, this is refreshing. I always like hearing your thoughts about things like this
Tie between Wrath of Khan and late DS9 uniforms as tops for me. Sharp, less kaleidoscopic.
@Rowan J Coleman - You'd be a lot of fun to play snooker with! 😁
too many uniform redesigns- ugh. I can't help but think that young newly employed clothing designers push the show creators to redesign the uniforms just to be cool to them rather than focusing on continuity of timelines sewing together all the various shows. I think it would be much more dramatic as a whole universe series to have the same uniform design - TNG, VOYAGER, DS9, and the next generation movies would all match. but I like the wrath of khan thru undiscovered county best
I use the Motion Picture uniforms and use the TOS division colors in STO.
Discovery uniforms are the worst they look cheap if that makes sense. Tacky shiny. Kinda looks like a track suit lol
Late TNG and late DS9 are my favourites.
This might be a bit vaguer, but after watching this, I'd be curious to hear your opinions about fashion in sci fi in general.
I really like Admiral Kirks uniform from The Motion Piture.
Yes, the blue and white uniform with the gold bands around the sleeves is the only uniform I like from that movie.
5 - Kirk's uniform TMP
4 - TNG season 3 onwards
3 - Voyager
2 - First Contact
1 - WoK
Any other order is wrong.
When it comes to the Motion Picture uniforms, Kirk's Admirasl uniform is cool, the others are BLECHHH
Late ds9 uniform are best fit imo. Accurately represents the military path they went for against the dominion. A serious look
The Motion Picture uniforms looked like pyjamas and the lack of colour was a design choice of Gene Roddenberry because he didn't want the uniforms to detract from the special effects. Which was the biggest problem with The Motion Picture, far too much focus on special effects and not enough on characters and story.
The uniforms in Wrath of Khan are my favorite. I love the nautical aesthetic, and they are so flattering on those beautiful bridge crewmembers.
My favourite is the All Good Things / Endgame / The Visitor future uniform. I’d hoped we’d see an updated version in Picard, though what we did see was kind of a mash-up of it and the Voyager one.
Also about Discovery’s alternate trifecta of department colours, the 29th century Timefleet uniforms did something similar, being grey, olive, and dark blue or something like that. They just went with dark shades instead of metallic ones.
TNG s3. Always. Nothing is even close
Your list and my list are very different. My favorites are the red Wrath of Khan uniforms. My most hated are the Next Generation onesie pajamas, I mean uniforms, though I think the Motion Picture uniforms are only marginally better.
I just really like the color schemes of the ds9 uniforms. The dull indigo looks so good with the black and turquoise/crimson/dark yellow
Late 1990s early 2000s (grey and black in particular) are the best followed or on par with the burgundy 1980s movies ones. They have no equal-- I like professionalism, rank, and quality of construction over color or flash.
What about the Lower Decks uniforms?
And the future uniforms from VOY Endgame?
I actually think a lot of the points he made in favor of other uniforms apply equally to the Lower Decks uniforms.
I’m a fan of the first issued STO uniforms. I absolutely love the texturing and patterns.
I feel you can always tell Starfleets mindset by whether or not they’re wearing grey or black in their uniforms and how militaristic Starfleet is at that point in their history. I personally love the 32nd century uniforms, but they could add a few things.
Some of the officers wear rank on their shoulders, but not all, make this common place and break up the monotony of the uniforms. Add a colored stripe down the pants and a strip around the wrists DS9/First Contact style. I like the simplicity of them compared to Discovery’s first style which seemed too in your face. I loved those too, but I felt they should’ve been much earlier than they were.
My three favorite Uniforms are the Kelvin Uniforms, the ones worn on the Kelvin, I just really dig them. The monster maroons at 2 and TNG 1st season(man skirt included) at 3.
I never liked the TOS uniforms, but did really like the Cage versions. The Beyond Uniforms were gorgeous and would definitely be number 4 for a top five list of my own.
The Franklin Uniforms, also with grey, were wonderful. They definitely felt like a natural progression of the Enterprise Uniforms. The Enterprise Jumpsuit was Earth Starfleet, and the Franklin Uniforms were Federation Starfleet if you know what I mean.
So, basically when Starfleet has to go on a more military footing, they tend to go for darker colors and more militaristic and/or simple styles. I also always felt that the Monster Maroon modifications from TNG that were seen for the Jack Crusher hologram and The Enterprise C should be considered placeholders until something is designed for that era. One could argue the Discovery Uniforms did that with the Cage Uniforms. I also wouldn’t object if at some point they switch the Strange New Worlds Uniforms for the Beyond ones and just pretend they are the TOS ones, just updated for the 21st century.
The Disco Uniforms I always felt should’ve been after the Franklin Uniforms, but before the Kelvin Uniforms. They fit better for me there, but I did get used to them.
Also, on an unrelated note, a buddy of mine who’s a quantum physicist, put me in my place when I said the Spore Drive was silly. He told me that the Mycelium Network sounded like Quantum Filaments to him, just you know, not Mushrooms. He said that the Spore Drive worked on the principle of using quantum filaments to travel faster than light, only safer. He used the Solar Sail Ship Simulation in Tron as an example. The ship in Tron didn’t use solar energy, but a beam of energy to move. They then had to transfer to another beam of energy. This would be like traveling using a quantum filament, one would lasso(his word) a quantum filament and use it to pull yourself along within a quantum flux or whatever he said, and arrive somewhere else along the path of quantum filaments. One could jump tracks to change direction. I have a background in Psychology, not Physics, so I don’t know exactly what he said. So there you go, A second hand account saying the Spore Drive isn’t stupid.
What do you think about the Lower Decks uniform?
The late DS9 uniforms make sense with where the story was headed-- a more muted look as they headed toward the Dominion War.
What do you think of the Strange New Worlds uniforms?
Petrol. Check.
Lighter. Check.
And Brunk!
Bloody Discovery!
Loved TOS Uniforms
Enterprise o.k.
Love your reviews (and sense of humor I might add)
Keep 'em coming I'll keep reading!!👍👍👍👍👍♥️
My favorite is the Picard flash back uniforms. Since they look like a proper dress uniform that someone would wear whose job is mainly on a ship.
Also I think the season 3 Discovery would work better if they opened up like the Wrath of Khan Uniforms since that would give them a visual distinctiveness need for such a uniform.
Admiral Vances in discovery looks.like he is wearing a Bajoran uniform for DS9
I agree, the DISCO blue uniforms are my #1, too! Great video as always.
My personal faves are the TNG uniforms from season 3 onwards, the First Contact/later DS9 uniforms, the Wrath of Khan uniforms and the Discovery uniforms.
My favourite uniforms are Wrath Of Khan to Undiscovered Country. In fact, the atheistic of all those films I really love. Including the design of the refit/Enterprise A. Best Enterprise design by far.
My top three are: Voyager, TNG, Picard.
I will agree, the same color uniforms look great, but the pulpy sci-fi feel of the colorful uniforms just screams Starfleet to me!
I wouldn't mind however, if the security officers looked a bit more... tactical, like some light shoulder / elbow pads, and a phaser holster. And the Capitan having a more formal dress uniform, along with Number 1 and other higher ranking staff, for formal occasions. For exploratory missions, it may be helpful to identify someone's field easily.
Beyond (and Kelvin timeline) has the best uniform. ENT comes next for me bc it’s got that old school NASA looks, and Disco after that bc blue is my fave color 😛 (Disco-Enterprise uniforms gets counts in this rank too bc they look good)
I couldn't disagree with anyone with that screen name.
I do share your opinion though.
Interesting choices. I think the Discovery Enterprise uniforms are too different from TOS, when they're supposed to sit in the same timeframe, and the Discovery uniforms are too way off for me. My favourites are the Star Trek II - VI/Generations uniforms. 😀 Really never liked the Deep Space Nine/ Voyager uniforms.
The reason for why the new grey uniforms don't look like they properly fit on the Discovery crew while they fit on folks like Vance might be that the ones they're wearing are not tailor made yet and they just got what was lying around for the extras that were running around in the corridors of the HQ. That way, the costs for newly tailored uniforms is basically outsourced to season 4's budget. We only saw them for a few seconds in them in season 3, so wasting a big chunk of costume budget on such a small scene when you can do it differently is a relatively good idea. Also we're just so used to seeing them in the blue uniforms lol
If only they had designed off Admiral Kirk's uniform design in TMP. The collar is good, the grey base with the center panel color for rank (white admiral, red command, etc.), change the top's hemline, change the pants to black or charcoal, a heavier fabric but not so heavy as Khan jackets - a blend of the Wrath of Khan and TMP.
for me the Wrath of Khan uniforms are the best. They invoke a type of naval tradition that I like.
Can you do a ranking for the starfleet badges? The normal ones not the ranks. Cause they have a lot to do for me on how a uniform looks. As former military badges, insignias many times made or break the uniforms especially when called up for inspection and I always thing a good insignia is a telling sign of your uniform
I think the Starfleet-of-the-Future ones from Disco S3 would be good as dress uniforms. You can leave an admiral in them and the main crew wears them occasionally, but yeah, I want more pop for the majority of scenes