Agree. “In the pale moonlight”, “yeah Demar what kind of people would do that”, Odo/Quark, Garak. A perfect blend of humor and darkness-a formula modern writers need to learn.
TOS is such an important part of popular culture. Kirk and Spock are iconic genre-transcending characters. I keep going back to it to enjoy the uncynical freshness and goodness of it. It'll always be my number one sci fi show.
Sure, and the Ranking does not disrespect the achievements of TOS. The problem about comparisons and rankins is always, that only a few ranks seem to be "good". But actually, if I tell you which Twilight move I like most, it does not say anything about my opinion about these movies :P When we are talking about the series ranked here, we are talking about great shows. If we would talk about the cultural impact of the shows, the ranking would be different, sure.
It's amazing to think there's an episode like Paper Moon that only focuses on two recurring characters and hardly features the main cast. That would never happen in Voyager.
@@GeeVanderplas the episode focused on barclay and Troi when they first made contact with voyager. 90% of the episode was from characters barely shown on the series.
Of all the Star Trek series, Deep Space 9 was the one that I never watched. Because of your rankings and recommendation, I've just watch the pilot of DS9. I'll be watching all of the series and it's entirety. Thanks for what you do.
You will be glad you did ....When i 1st watched it I struggled a little to get through the 1st 2 years but by the end of 3rd year I was hooked and season 4 through 7 was the best I had ever seen. I freely admit that I teared up when i got to the end and felt like I was losing good friends.
There's a lot of great Ezri content in the novels - _The Lives of Dax_ is a lot of fun, with a cool frame story surrounding episodes from each host, and her post-DS9 assignments are pretty exciting.
@@lordomacron3719 it's a shame to have lost Jadzia in the last season but I think Ezri picked up the mantle really well... she settled into her character instantly.. I guess that's because the writers took 2-3 seasons to really hone who Dax was.. so for a while terry really didn't know how to play her.. I love that Ezri wasn't an initiate, and didn't have the training to be joined.. and I'm glad that they played on that as much as they did and she didn't just automatically slot into jadzia's place in the show.. I found myself wondering if they had thought about making her a male character at some point.. I think that would have made the relationships with Worf Quark and Bashir more interesting lol...
@@Ma55ey It's also believable that she'd one day become a starship captain in the books since she's still a joined Trill and still a Dax, with all the experiences that come with it.
I love that DS9 finally gets the appreciation & love, that I thought it deserved since it was broadcasted. I watched it when it originally aired & loved it since then 🖖
Deep Space Nine ended up being the best written. I admit that I called it a Soap Opera in Space when it first came out! I wish I gave it a chance back then. TNG is the one I rewatch the most though.
As a big sci fi fan but quite a casual star trek dude I've really enjoyed these retrospective videos. Although I've seen most of what trek has to offer a lot of it has been out of sequence and disjointed. This whole series has made me want to go back and watch everything in order properly so thank you ❤
I think of Quark and Odo is the one if not the best(for me) example of the 'Best of Enemies' Relationship they are on opposite sides (most of the time) but each respects the other greatly(not that they would ever be caught saying that of course) and Garak stole every damn scene he was in and it was sublime
Deep space nine is pure Ron D Moore character writing magic. I’m happy Voyager took a different direction and Moore had to part ways with trek, so he could do BSG.
Imagine comparing only season one of TNG to all of TOS. TNG would fall short in every single way. Compare 7 seasons of TNG to TOS however, that's a different story.
I love weyoun but dukat is much more layered. Hes grey and evil but manages to convince himself hes a good person while comitting mass murder. Weyoun is naturally less complex being a genetically engineered servant bred to obey
TAS was the first Star Trek I ever saw, when I was eight. It wasn't until years later that I saw my first live action Trek, and even later when I actually got to watch TOS in it's entirety. TAS, for all it's flaws, fired my imagination and stoked my affection for the franchise.
I definitely think DS9 had the best first episode. It wasn't nearly as cringey as TNG or VOY. TOS had a pretty good first episode, counting both pilots.
I think ENT has the best first episode - TOS, TNG and VOY's first episodes were all as cringey as hell, DS9s was good but had some pretty bad acting in my opinion. ENT's was compelling, well produced, well written and well acted. Its just a shame they weren't able to carry that inertia into the rest of the first series.
Voyager had a great pilot. Completely orignal Star Trek plot that set the series with so much new potential. Maquis combined with Starfleet in deep space far away from any of the familiar enemies like the klingons, cardassians, romulans, etc.
This tangentially related to the video. Out Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks. I think Lower Decks has the most potential. I say this because with animation Lower Decks is only limited by the imagination of the design team. Also Lower Decks is much more of ensemble show so the show runners have more to work with. While Picard or Discovery live or die with their main characters.
Out of curiosity are you under 30? 40? (I’m old). I tried watching lower decks and couldn’t get past the first literally 2 minutes. Does it get less grating?
@@Scottlp2 I am 33. Lower Deck is one of those shows that takes a couple of esposide to get going. I think episode three is when it starts to get good.
@@Scottlp2 I hate watched the few first episodes (most jokes didn't land, annoying characters). But the last ~4 episodes felt like Trek for some reason - can't put my finger on it. I'm looking forward to S2 of Lower Decks, but don't care about the next season of Picard or Discovery. So that's my "recommendation."
Before watching the video, my guesses are: 1. DS9 2. TNG 3. TOS 4. VOY 5. ENT 6. Animated Series At least that's my ranking ;) *EDIT:* WOW, I can't believe I got 100% the same as Rowan! You have great taste sir!
I am completely okay with your ranking. My personal ranking would flip Voyager and TOS, but that's more to do with personal taste and familiarity than any disagreement about quality. Just discovered your channel and have been doing mini-binges. Love your content, and appreciate the work you obviously do in research and production. Well done!
I remember back in 'aught-one when fans were complaining that it looked "too advanced" to be set before TOS. They probably complained that the Klingons didn't look like they did on TOS, too.
I must admit, I was half looking forward to having a respectful argument with you about your rankings. Alas, my plans were foiled when I found that I agreed with your rankings 100%... 👍
In my opinion, your ranking is spot on. I've been around to see the premier of every Star Trek series and have always, always considered DS9 to be the best of the sequels. Indeed one of the best two scifi shows produced in America (B5 being the other). Have been dismayed it hasn't received the amount of love and attention as TNG. Also interesting is VOY; it's true, the show goes down easy. While I've never considered it bold or challenging, with some of the blandest characters in ST history (Kim, Chakotay, Paris, Kes) I've found it easier to watch repeatedly than the much better TNG (which is a little too utopian and neatly wrapped). VOY seems, in structure and feel, to be a contemporization of 60s or 70s television; like watching old episodes of Bonanza, Twilight Zone, and the like.
I find it really funny how they move in the animated series. They don't walk, they don't run, they do a wired middle thing. They even do it on the cover 😂
The only real problem with Next Gen was too many stories of the 1st season were just rehashed stories from the original series. Then some of the episodes of season 2 were reworked unused scripts for the failed Phase 2 project. But once it found its feet, found its own way it was great TV. But DS9 is in a class of its own, it is just sublime SciFi TV.
DS9 has been my favourite star trek ever since I first watched it and I'm super glad it's getting more recognition now than it did back then. I'm a sucker for well written characters and long running storylines and DS9 did it better than any of the others.
I wholeheartedly agree DS9 was always my favorite I love that it was dark I love that it took chances it seemed more real than the prime directive addled other shows. The relationship of Worf and Dax was amazing the bromance with Chief O'Brien and the doctor amazing. The introduction of section 31. I could go on and on and on for paragraphs of how special this show is
My list: 8. The Animated Series 7. Picard 6. Enterprise 5. Discovery 4. The Original Series 3. TNG 2. Voyager 1. Deep Space 9 TNG, Voyager and Deep Space 9 are very close, ask me a month from now and the order might be different. Not including Lower Decks as I have not watched and don't know enough about it. I haven't watched TAS either, but I know enough about it to rank it and to know that I don't want to watch it. Also, even though the order is like this, I like every single one of these shows, except TAS.
Your ranking of DS9 warms my heart. It's still - to me - one of the best Sci-fi shows ever made. Possibly with the exception of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica or whatever the Expanse turns out to be. I would have maybe graded Enterprise a little higher, but otherwise I have no objections. Good stuff.
Enterprise was great because of Trip and to a lesser extent T'Pol. The real problem was Archer. He was such a poorly written character, he single handedly ruined the experience for me.
I think this is a solid ranking. For me, it's not about quantity of episodes, but overall quality, so I'd rank TOS over TNG. I've done my own rankings and I think 66% (52 of 78) of TOS episodes are must-watches vs 59% (105 of 178) of TNG. The TOS characters are iconic and the writers told groundbreaking stories that laid the roadmap for all the iterations of Trek that would follow. I think it's fair to wait on judging the newer series, but I would have been interested in knowing your current evaluation based on what we've gotten so far from Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks. This is my current ranking. (I haven't watched The Animated Series yet.) 1. Deep Space Nine 2. The Original Series 3. The Next Generation 4. Lower Decks 5. Discovery 6. Voyager 7. Picard 8. Enterprise
I'm not gonna lie, a part of my soul dissolved when The Animated series was ranked at the bottom. But I understand and respect why you would put it at the bottom, I just have huge nostalgia ties because I watched the fuck out of that show when I was a kid.
Voyager so often struck me as "Gilligan's Island in Space," with Harry Kim as Gilligan, Seven of Nine as Ginger, and Tuvok and the Doctor competing to be the Professor. That being said, "Blink of an Eye" is one of the best hours of television.
Like almost everyone else I think I'd rank TAS higher, probably just under TOS, but otherwise I think my list would be identical to this one. I think every long-time fan of Star Trek who enjoys the TNG era ends up loving DS9 above all else. It's just so rich in character and lore, it gives us everything we want.
In VOY, we saw the a portion of the Federation when cut off from the rest of it. In TNG, we saw the Federation at it's absolute height. We witnessed the life of it's paragons. In DS9, we saw the Federation at it's lowest point. What you are in the Dark.
I mostly agree with this list. The one exception is that I prefer Voyager over TOS. I realize it's controversial for a trekkie to say they don't like TOS, it just doesn't much appeal to me personally. The two main reasons I'd cite are that it's very much a product of the 60's and the franchise hadn't really figured itself out yet.
I totally agree! I'm rewatching TNG now, and I hop back and forth from it to other shows in my streaming queue, but when I'm rewatching DS9, that is the ONLY show I'm watching. DS9's story is so rewarding to watch from start to finish! TNG (my early years) and Voyager (my teenage years) have a heavy dose of nostalgia and comfort for me.
I like the original series best because there's such a strong sense that Roddenberry had these ideas churning around in his head for many years. You can tell he was bursting to give them expression. For me, TOS best expresses Roddenberry's enthusiasm and the sense of wonder that so many of us feel about space.
My own ranking: 1. DS9 2. TNG 3. TOS 4. VOY 5. ENT 6. TAS We’re I to add the new shows, it would be the same up to ENT, but after that it would be 6. DIS s2 7. TAS 8. LD 9. PIC 10. Rest of DIS
There are so many DS9 episodes where I cried because of how sad it was. And yet there are those where I cried because of how they depicted family, friendship and unity; 'Body Parts' is one such episode, as the crew and residents start bringing in everything he needs to continue running the bar...that's unexpectedly touching.
I feel the exploration of the politics of the early federation members in season 4 of ENT was the best part of that show, and would of had a DS9 feel if given the chance the writers initially wanted for the series.
That was a fantastic part of the show. That said, the Vulcan ark that developed from the very first episode right through season 4 was the best part of the series. It started off infuriating a lot of fans with their bitter relationship, and evolved into the best Vulcan story in the entire series. Masterfully done. It encompassed a full societal development. Both human & Vulcan societies faced & overcame serious, but believable, hurdles.
I feel TNG is the core of the franchise. It's the central point where everything leads to and evolves from. It represents the soul of Star Trek. And it's interesting that it usurped TOS. I do agree that DS9 is the best, although there was a lot of meh in the first two seasons. From season 3, it effectively had a 5 season story arc, which is unique in Star Trek. I feel that DS9 gives us a real feel for the size, diversity and strength of the Federation. I just finished Enterprise and I quite like it. I especially like how it gives us a glimpse into the early exploration and the formation of what would become the Federation. I'm a bit cold on Voyager because it feels detached from the other ST shows. As said, being away from Starfleet and the Federation makes it unique. But it also loses the connection with what I see most represents ST.
DS9 is arguably the most divisive of all the Treks even to this day. I unfortunately am one of the detractors. Strangely I started liking the show from the get go but over time grew to hate all the characters. The problem was they had flaws but the series didn't seem to properly address those flaws. It was the episode "For the Uniform" that really pissed me off when Sisco tried to commit genocide to capture Eddington and the episode plays it off like it was nothing. You can't get the main character to do something like that and have the audience still respect him as a hero. I couldn't bring myself to finish the series after that.
I’m a big Star Wars fan and a much more casual Star Trek fan... however, I’ve been immersing myself in Trek recently and I love how the fan community is so positive and doesn’t hate 50% of what is out there
TOS ≥ TNG > ENT ≥ DS9 > VOY Ranking DS9 that low is probably scandalous, but though I really like some aspects of the series, it has its issues. I'm not as enamored of most of the primary characters as in TOS or TNG (I think a lot of the characters in ENT were just plain miscast). I did enjoy the mini-arcs it had, but it never seemed to be able to fully commit to a big arc, nor properly shake the episodic roots of Star Trek. It didn't sell the politics the way Babylon 5 did, which made that show feel much more encompassing than just its primary location, and as a result, the space station setting of DS9 could seem a bit confining. And going back and rewatching DS9, I realized that I had been ranking it a bit too high on the basis of its ideas more than its actual execution. Meanwhile, I found ENT's 3rd season arc to be more compelling than any in DS9, feeling a lot more urgent and real. Maybe I'd rate DS9 more highly if Babylon 5 weren't around to show what a political space station show that really commits to its arcs looks like, but Babylon 5 does exist, and for as much as it can be cheesy and even cringy at times, overall, I think it easily bests DS9. Voyager is just a mess, and where DS9 couldn't fully commit to its arcs nor truly embrace its politics, Voyager completely botched its basic premise. There was so much it could've done with two rival factions, lost in an unfamiliar part of the galaxy, far from home, having to cooperate in order to just survive, but it almost immediately squandered all of its potential.
i have a hard time ranking Trek series, because each one has great qualities to it. like you said, i don't particularly dislike any of them, but i understand your ranking. ST Animated Series, i see why it's at the bottom of your list, but yeah, i like it a lot. it's fun and has some great stories to it. what can i say? i like the retro kid feel to it. Enterprise: like it a lot. Season one was a mixed bag, but it took me too long to get into, because i believed the negativity behind it. because it was so berated, it could never live down to the bad comments. so i was pleasantly surprised. Voyager - i've only seen the first three seasons. it had great concept and elements, and great stories. Janeway is great, and i liked Tuvok. still gotta see 7 of 9, and the Doctor is great too. but i see what you mean when it was played safe. i'm cool with it. gotta see the rest of it. TOS - Thank you for liking it! it often gets berated, because they can't get into the old style of it. but the stories and the characters are just stellar! TNG - It took me a while to get into it, because season 1 was terrible, but by the end, it lived up to the hype. the storytelling eventually went on to be great, and the characters grew on me. Gateway Trek? nice term. DS9 - Yeah it is awesome :D
I would put TOS ahead of TNG for one simple reason: Sharper characters. Imagine a Kirk/Spock/McCoy/Scotty conversation...and remove all the character slugs. You would know by their language, attitude and cadence exactly who was saying what. Now try that same exercise with Picard/Ricker/Crusher/Data/LaForge. Much of the dialogue would be interchangeable. It's really easy for an impressionist to "do" Spock. Or McCoy. Or Scotty. And especially Kirk. (Due to Shatner's hammy performance technique.) But who can "do" Beverly Crusher? Or LaForge? Or Riker? Or even Data. Except for Patrick Stewart's "Engage," TNG offered no "catch-phrases" comparable to Spock's "Illogical" and "Fascinating," Scotty's "Aye, Capt'n" and "I'm givin' her all she's got!" or McCoy's, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a (fill in the blank)." That's great TV writing!
I'd vote for TNG as #1, but understand it may be a matter of taste. Both TNG and DS9 had excellent characters, plots, and themes, but I'd give it to TNG by a narrow margin for a more consistent quality of acting on the part of the cast and the ultimate fulfilment of its premise in the finale. I'll certainly concede DS9 wowed more on the action and visuals, but I missed TNG's feeling of "family" among the characters.
I think it’s more like how popular it has become. I never watched it in the 90s, me and my pals thought it was the boring trek (although we watched Babylon 5 religiously). I only gave it a chance some 10 years ago only to find out it has aged the best of all the 90s trek, and currently stands as my favourite trek series as well, well above TNG and head and multiple shoulders above the rest.
I completely understand not adding current era Trek in this vid. My personal ranking is significantly different (and will piss SO many off). I'll preference it by saying I don't hate my lowest ranked(I at least watched all the series, as opposed to giving up on it like say, orrvile) the rest fall as they may 4. DS9 3. TOS/TAS 2. VGR/ENT 1. TNG
I had the same view as you about Enterprise. When I rewatched it, the series moved up to me. Voyager's problem is that they didn't have a plan to get the ship home. It would drive me nuts when Janeway would go, "Yeah, lets go explore Planet X 'cause 'reasons'." You are trying to get home. So other than those two series swapping slots, I agree with your list and such. Sisko is the best captain!
I never really understood this complaint. They're not trying to get home in time for dinner, so they don't have time to stop for an hour at the bar. Their voyage will take tens of years, and stopping for a few days when they find something interesting isn't that big a deal. Like she says, they are explorers after all.
Another great video. Normally I agree with you almost 100%, but this particular time I got to say I feel original the series should be in front of next generation.
Well, that's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream! Here's my list, for what it's worth... 1. TNG : Growing up with TOS reruns, it was incredible to have a new Star Trek just when I needed it! 2. Star Trek : Sure the effects were lacking but wonderful stories with excellent crew interaction makes it classic 3. Voyager : I loved the premise of it and they had a great cast but wow it missed some great opportunities 4. DS9 : Why so low? I just never got into it. I didn't like the characters. Yes, it got very good later on but I really didn't care 5. Enterprise : I really wanted to like this show. Some very good episodes, liked the cast, but it just fell flat 6. The Animated Series : I was watching this "live" as a little boy. But it was just awkward. Something about the music, dialogue, and "empty spaces" just made it weird and unsettling. Anyhoo...good call! As for the majority of ST films and recent shows, just count me out.
4:34 Voyager was my first Star Trek show as well. I watched it when I was 16 years old. It was my entry into the franchise. But I acknowledge that it is not that good as I remember. However, I will not trash it. Voyager was what got me into Star Trek, and I will treasure it.
I agree Voyager had so much potential to be where DS9 is in the list. There's some great episodes & some of my favourites in all Trek. It always bugged me that there was some brilliant story telling opportunities missed.
It was supposedly going to be set on a Romulan ship that ended up in Andromeda after being dragged there while pursuing a small Federation ship. I want to watch that show so bad, I just can't stand it!!!
My list is the same. 100% agree about DS9, though I wish you'd mentioned Garak in supporting characters. He's probably the most important supporting character in all of Trek.
Great video. I agree 100%. And thanks for leaving out New Trek. Not a fan of those myself, and I doubt they will ever come close to the 90s Trek I grew up with. But we all have to admit that even TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT all needed a couple of seasons to find their own identity.
Cool Video. I recently rewatched TNG out of nostalgia, as it was the series my Dad and I watched every day after school and during supper. DS9 like you said was only viewed in bits and pieces at first, but I'm in a sci-fi trekkie kinda mood lately. I'm about to start season 2, thanks for sharing your list and thoughts.
My ranking would be very similar, with two changes: 1. I regard TAS as Season 4 of TOS, so I wouldn't rank it separately. 2. I find the last two seasons of ENT strong enough to give it the edge over VOY.
As far as the Animated Series, I agree that it is better than many people realize, yet, you have to put something at the bottom. So, sure, I’m basically okay with your order.
Totally agree. DS9 was by far the best. And like you said, every time i re-watch it, i have to start from the beginning. It was the only Star Trek series i actually missed when it went off.
DS9 is same from me, its something about Sisko being a normal dude who can get angry, frustrated, cant hold grudges but at the end do what is right ... compared to "perfect picard with flaws" for example and the support cast is so amazing
Debatable. Sure, TNG has about two to three really good epsidoes in each season, but they aren't Far Beyond the Stars, It's Only a Paper Moom, Duet, the Visitor, etc.
Maybe, but TNG has so many bland episodes. The lack of an over-arching storyline really make TNG very uninteresting to watch from start to end. Pick and choose some great ones sure, but compare it with DS9 (or even Enterprise’s 3rd season) where every episode counts..way better overall.
Me: Oooh! A New Rowan J Coleman video! Today just went from meh to good! 8:28: "...big, two-hour long retrospective video..." Me: And today just went from good to great!
I forget the the title of this DS 9 episode. The crew get stuck on a planet being held by a small force of Starfleet personnel. Been under constant attack by the Jem H' dar. Been waiting for relief for a long time. Quark says to Nog. "Huu mans are pleasant people ...until you take away their creature comforts....then they become as blood thirsty as any. Klingon" (not exact quote) Always liked that.
Thanks for the ranking. I would generally agree with the list although I would swap DS9 and next Gen. I would actually agree with your analysis but the serialized nature of DS9 is a turnaround slight downer. I had the most fun watching it originally. It might be better critically but as a busy man who loves the old shows bur I may be able to watch two or three episodes a week. I don't wa nt to have to think about what happened; before. I want to go to something familiar and rewatch a show. I can do this with Next Generation Deep space 9 ended largely removed every thing. All the arcs came to a satisfactory conclusion. I respect your opinion I'm a casual viewer.. I also tend to watch sci-fi for the ideas and honestly the soap opera like elements tend at times to be slight turn off as well.
As I keep rewatching through them my list has become and I’ll put the new shows in: DS9 TNG Enterprise TOS Lower Decks Discovery Voyager Picard Animated Series
You put discovery above voyager... discovery is generic space series with star trek iconography even DS9 had more actual starfleet ideals and trek in it than discovery and DS9 had almost jumped the shark on those fronts.
Voyager is a great show to rewatch on Netflix. While Next Gen has some great episodes (and Picard, Data, Riker, Worf, Geordi are excellent), some shows on Next Gen weren't that great and just drama piece fillers between better episodes. Voyager is a bit more consistent for an episodic show. Janeway, the Doctor and Seven are great characters, and Paris and Belona, Harry are good secondary characters. I would put Voyager ahead of DS9 myself. Voyager and Next Gen I would put at a tie, Next Gen perhaps slightly higher because more high quality main characters. TOS original series in the top 3 mainly due to Kirk and Spock /Shatner and Nimoy's performances.
Agree. “In the pale moonlight”, “yeah Demar what kind of people would do that”, Odo/Quark, Garak. A perfect blend of humor and darkness-a formula modern writers need to learn.
I absolutely love that episode...cheers my friend
TOS is such an important part of popular culture. Kirk and Spock are iconic genre-transcending characters. I keep going back to it to enjoy the uncynical freshness and goodness of it. It'll always be my number one sci fi show.
its just like saying which diamond shines brighter. They're all great shows!
I hear that!!
👍♥️🙏🕊
Sure, and the Ranking does not disrespect the achievements of TOS. The problem about comparisons and rankins is always, that only a few ranks seem to be "good". But actually, if I tell you which Twilight move I like most, it does not say anything about my opinion about these movies :P When we are talking about the series ranked here, we are talking about great shows.
If we would talk about the cultural impact of the shows, the ranking would be different, sure.
Too many shows bank on vynism to add "interesting stories". Funny how evey murder killer and Terrorist is somehow sympathetic now...🤔
Plus, real science fiction authors wrote many of the episodes.
I can't believe you highlighted the exceptional supporting characters of DS9 and didn't even mention Morn.
Hasn't Morn already talked about himself enough though? You know how he is, total chatterbox.
Despite being a big fan of both shows,I only realised recently that morn is a tribute to norm from cheers.what a dumbass I am. Facepalm!
@@stephenhall2980 well I feel educated today :) now all I hear when I see him is going to be "MORN!!"
I know. what a crime.
Rules of Acquisition 286: When Morn leaves, it's all over.
The character arc of Nog is the example of great writing, the kind of writing that Harry Kim in Voyager never got.
To be fair. Harry has the greatest running joke in Star Trek history
It's amazing to think there's an episode like Paper Moon that only focuses on two recurring characters and hardly features the main cast. That would never happen in Voyager.
@@GeeVanderplas you must’ve not watched Pathfinder
@@EpicConspiracy which one was that again?
@@GeeVanderplas the episode focused on barclay and Troi when they first made contact with voyager. 90% of the episode was from characters barely shown on the series.
Deep Space Nine will always be my favourite for a Plain, Simple Reason.....
Garak....
And “in the pale moonlight”, and Quark/Odo...
@@Scottlp2 RIP Rene Auberjonois
Was any of it true, or was it all lies. Oh Doctor its all true. Even the lies? ESPECIALLY the lies! 🤣
DS9 is my favourite Star Trek show too 🙂👍
I still think he should have seduced Bashir..... you could see he wanted to...
Of all the Star Trek series, Deep Space 9 was the one that I never watched. Because of your rankings and recommendation, I've just watch the pilot of DS9. I'll be watching all of the series and it's entirety. Thanks for what you do.
You will be glad you did ....When i 1st watched it I struggled a little to get through the 1st 2 years but by the end of 3rd year I was hooked and season 4 through 7 was the best I had ever seen. I freely admit that I teared up when i got to the end and felt like I was losing good friends.
Curious to know your thoughts now
been rewatching DS9 over the pandemic -- some pretty epic writing and acting almost finished with S6 - bring on Ezri!
watched ALL of Star Trek that Netflix has. aye Ezri was my fav Dax Jadzia was great but Ezri better suits my tastes
There's a lot of great Ezri content in the novels - _The Lives of Dax_ is a lot of fun, with a cool frame story surrounding episodes from each host, and her post-DS9 assignments are pretty exciting.
@@lordomacron3719 it's a shame to have lost Jadzia in the last season but I think Ezri picked up the mantle really well... she settled into her character instantly.. I guess that's because the writers took 2-3 seasons to really hone who Dax was.. so for a while terry really didn't know how to play her.. I love that Ezri wasn't an initiate, and didn't have the training to be joined.. and I'm glad that they played on that as much as they did and she didn't just automatically slot into jadzia's place in the show.. I found myself wondering if they had thought about making her a male character at some point.. I think that would have made the relationships with Worf Quark and Bashir more interesting lol...
@@Ma55ey It's also believable that she'd one day become a starship captain in the books since she's still a joined Trill and still a Dax, with all the experiences that come with it.
@@Xondar11223344 oh yea totally... it would have been good to watch her character develop more..
Hot Take: DS9 and B5's rivalry made both shows better.
Hence Competition is good
So say the Shadows!
@@broganfreeman8958 I have seen through the lies of the Vorlons, I don’t fear the dark side as you do.
@Ancestor Empire - In Umbris Potestas Est!!! (Duh Duhhh... shady music!!!)
@@broganfreeman8958 *Stares in Phillip J Fry*
@Ancestor Empire - Yeah mate, I can go for the ol "Darth Jaa Jaa" take!
I love that DS9 finally gets the appreciation & love, that I thought it deserved since it was broadcasted.
I watched it when it originally aired & loved it since then 🖖
Deep Space Nine ended up being the best written. I admit that I called it a Soap Opera in Space when it first came out! I wish I gave it a chance back then. TNG is the one I rewatch the most though.
It is a soap opera in space, it uses the same tropes. You like it because your biological reactions primes you to like those tropes.
As a big sci fi fan but quite a casual star trek dude I've really enjoyed these retrospective videos. Although I've seen most of what trek has to offer a lot of it has been out of sequence and disjointed. This whole series has made me want to go back and watch everything in order properly so thank you ❤
I think of Quark and Odo is the one if not the best(for me) example of the 'Best of Enemies' Relationship they are on opposite sides (most of the time) but each respects the other greatly(not that they would ever be caught saying that of course) and Garak stole every damn scene he was in and it was sublime
Deep space nine is pure Ron D Moore character writing magic. I’m happy Voyager took a different direction and Moore had to part ways with trek, so he could do BSG.
"'I'm leaving off nutrek"
Everyone liked that
He left it out to ensure a fair expression of opinions. Why evaluate something still ongoing.
Imagine comparing only season one of TNG to all of TOS. TNG would fall short in every single way.
Compare 7 seasons of TNG to TOS however, that's a different story.
TOS is my favorite by far. It has the best premise, solid costumes, great matte painting backgrounds, fun plots, and that classic 60s feel.
I've been bingeing your content recently, so thanks fella!
Dukat is the greatest villain in entertainment, not just Star Trek.
Dukat isnt even the greatest villain in his own show.
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I love weyoun but dukat is much more layered. Hes grey and evil but manages to convince himself hes a good person while comitting mass murder. Weyoun is naturally less complex being a genetically engineered servant bred to obey
TAS was the first Star Trek I ever saw, when I was eight. It wasn't until years later that I saw my first live action Trek, and even later when I actually got to watch TOS in it's entirety. TAS, for all it's flaws, fired my imagination and stoked my affection for the franchise.
I really enjoyed this video!
Completely disagreed with most of it, but hey, how boring would the world be if we all agreed?
It would probably be better though
I turned the video off and gave it a thumbs down the minute he said he wasnt going to rank any of the Kurtzman crap.
@@TheDrewThornton why?
@@BeardFaceSuper Because now he doesn't have an excuse to go on the usual "new trek bad" circle jirk.
@@LasherTimora Speaking the truth is a circle jerk?
I definitely think DS9 had the best first episode. It wasn't nearly as cringey as TNG or VOY. TOS had a pretty good first episode, counting both pilots.
TOS's first episode is The Man Trap - if defined by airdate.
I thought Caretaker was an alright pilot. Better than Encounter at Farpoint.
I think ENT has the best first episode - TOS, TNG and VOY's first episodes were all as cringey as hell, DS9s was good but had some pretty bad acting in my opinion. ENT's was compelling, well produced, well written and well acted. Its just a shame they weren't able to carry that inertia into the rest of the first series.
Kira's shoulder pads are cringe
Voyager had a great pilot. Completely orignal Star Trek plot that set the series with so much new potential. Maquis combined with Starfleet in deep space far away from any of the familiar enemies like the klingons, cardassians, romulans, etc.
This tangentially related to the video. Out Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks. I think Lower Decks has the most potential. I say this because with animation Lower Decks is only limited by the imagination of the design team. Also Lower Decks is much more of ensemble show so the show runners have more to work with. While Picard or Discovery live or die with their main characters.
Out of curiosity are you under 30? 40? (I’m old). I tried watching lower decks and couldn’t get past the first literally 2 minutes. Does it get less grating?
@@Scottlp2 I am 33. Lower Deck is one of those shows that takes a couple of esposide to get going. I think episode three is when it starts to get good.
@@Scottlp2 I hate watched the few first episodes (most jokes didn't land, annoying characters). But the last ~4 episodes felt like Trek for some reason - can't put my finger on it. I'm looking forward to S2 of Lower Decks, but don't care about the next season of Picard or Discovery. So that's my "recommendation."
Well I'm 60 and I thought lower decks was very good.
Of the new shows Strange New Worlds is the one Im most optimistic for, it seems like an actual Trek show
Before watching the video, my guesses are:
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. TOS
4. VOY
5. ENT
6. Animated Series
At least that's my ranking ;)
*EDIT:* WOW, I can't believe I got 100% the same as Rowan! You have great taste sir!
I am completely okay with your ranking. My personal ranking would flip Voyager and TOS, but that's more to do with personal taste and familiarity than any disagreement about quality.
Just discovered your channel and have been doing mini-binges. Love your content, and appreciate the work you obviously do in research and production. Well done!
I liked Enterprise. Still do. I like the slightly lower tech, more character development approach.
It's good. Better than Voyager easily. And one could argue, better than TOS.
I remember back in 'aught-one when fans were complaining that it looked "too advanced" to be set before TOS.
They probably complained that the Klingons didn't look like they did on TOS, too.
I really like that there are like a million scenes of the actors eating. Really screams realistic.
I must admit, I was half looking forward to having a respectful argument with you about your rankings. Alas, my plans were foiled when I found that I agreed with your rankings 100%... 👍
In my opinion, your ranking is spot on. I've been around to see the premier of every Star Trek series and have always, always considered DS9 to be the best of the sequels. Indeed one of the best two scifi shows produced in America (B5 being the other). Have been dismayed it hasn't received the amount of love and attention as TNG.
Also interesting is VOY; it's true, the show goes down easy. While I've never considered it bold or challenging, with some of the blandest characters in ST history (Kim, Chakotay, Paris, Kes) I've found it easier to watch repeatedly than the much better TNG (which is a little too utopian and neatly wrapped). VOY seems, in structure and feel, to be a contemporization of 60s or 70s television; like watching old episodes of Bonanza, Twilight Zone, and the like.
Absolutely agree
TOS is just memorable, it's incredible how you can remenber what happens in the episode just by the title
I find it really funny how they move in the animated series. They don't walk, they don't run, they do a wired middle thing. They even do it on the cover 😂
Wow, this is EXACTLY the way I'd rank them all.
The only real problem with Next Gen was too many stories of the 1st season were just rehashed stories from the original series. Then some of the episodes of season 2 were reworked unused scripts for the failed Phase 2 project. But once it found its feet, found its own way it was great TV. But DS9 is in a class of its own, it is just sublime SciFi TV.
DS9 has been my favourite star trek ever since I first watched it and I'm super glad it's getting more recognition now than it did back then. I'm a sucker for well written characters and long running storylines and DS9 did it better than any of the others.
DS9 and some of the best character development arcs in all the Star Trek Universe!
I wholeheartedly agree DS9 was always my favorite I love that it was dark I love that it took chances it seemed more real than the prime directive addled other shows. The relationship of Worf and Dax was amazing the bromance with Chief O'Brien and the doctor amazing. The introduction of section 31. I could go on and on and on for paragraphs of how special this show is
My list:
8. The Animated Series
7. Picard
6. Enterprise
5. Discovery
4. The Original Series
3. TNG
2. Voyager
1. Deep Space 9
TNG, Voyager and Deep Space 9 are very close, ask me a month from now and the order might be different. Not including Lower Decks as I have not watched and don't know enough about it. I haven't watched TAS either, but I know enough about it to rank it and to know that I don't want to watch it.
Also, even though the order is like this, I like every single one of these shows, except TAS.
Your ranking of DS9 warms my heart. It's still - to me - one of the best Sci-fi shows ever made. Possibly with the exception of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica or whatever the Expanse turns out to be. I would have maybe graded Enterprise a little higher, but otherwise I have no objections. Good stuff.
Oh man I love enterprise lol. That placement hurts just a little, but DS9 is by and far the best trek for me too.
I totally agree with you Brie!!
Agreed. Enterprise was on track to becoming the best Trek series. If it had gotten 7 seasons it could've run away with the top spot.
DS9 is boring
@@scottslotterbeck3796 that's nice
Enterprise was great because of Trip and to a lesser extent T'Pol. The real problem was Archer. He was such a poorly written character, he single handedly ruined the experience for me.
I think Enterprise’s biggest problem is that Archer was angry all the time. I never liked him as a captain.
I definitely agree that Enterprise's biggest problem was Archer. The way they wrote his character destroyed Enterprise's potential as a series.
Your family sounds awesome, my entire childhood was never getting to watch my geeky shows because I was outvoted by my younger 3 sisters
I think this is a solid ranking. For me, it's not about quantity of episodes, but overall quality, so I'd rank TOS over TNG. I've done my own rankings and I think 66% (52 of 78) of TOS episodes are must-watches vs 59% (105 of 178) of TNG. The TOS characters are iconic and the writers told groundbreaking stories that laid the roadmap for all the iterations of Trek that would follow.
I think it's fair to wait on judging the newer series, but I would have been interested in knowing your current evaluation based on what we've gotten so far from Discovery, Picard, and Lower Decks.
This is my current ranking. (I haven't watched The Animated Series yet.)
1. Deep Space Nine
2. The Original Series
3. The Next Generation
4. Lower Decks
5. Discovery
6. Voyager
7. Picard
8. Enterprise
I'm not gonna lie, a part of my soul dissolved when The Animated series was ranked at the bottom. But I understand and respect why you would put it at the bottom, I just have huge nostalgia ties because I watched the fuck out of that show when I was a kid.
Voyager so often struck me as "Gilligan's Island in Space," with Harry Kim as Gilligan, Seven of Nine as Ginger, and Tuvok and the Doctor competing to be the Professor. That being said, "Blink of an Eye" is one of the best hours of television.
Never thought of it that way but fair enough. Would that make Chakotey the guest of the week who really didn't want to be around?
That and “The Void.” I rewatch those two constantly.
Like almost everyone else I think I'd rank TAS higher, probably just under TOS, but otherwise I think my list would be identical to this one.
I think every long-time fan of Star Trek who enjoys the TNG era ends up loving DS9 above all else. It's just so rich in character and lore, it gives us everything we want.
In VOY, we saw the a portion of the Federation when cut off from the rest of it.
In TNG, we saw the Federation at it's absolute height. We witnessed the life of it's paragons.
In DS9, we saw the Federation at it's lowest point. What you are in the Dark.
No one will complain if your DS9 retrospective is 3+ hours.
Voyager will always be my favorite. The 2 parter episodes I think made this show though.
I mostly agree with this list. The one exception is that I prefer Voyager over TOS. I realize it's controversial for a trekkie to say they don't like TOS, it just doesn't much appeal to me personally. The two main reasons I'd cite are that it's very much a product of the 60's and the franchise hadn't really figured itself out yet.
I’m just astounded that your list is the exact same as mine. Looking forward to your characters ranked video where Luxwana is number 1 :P
I totally agree! I'm rewatching TNG now, and I hop back and forth from it to other shows in my streaming queue, but when I'm rewatching DS9, that is the ONLY show I'm watching. DS9's story is so rewarding to watch from start to finish! TNG (my early years) and Voyager (my teenage years) have a heavy dose of nostalgia and comfort for me.
I continue to find your appealing speaking style remarkable. 👍
I like the original series best because there's such a strong sense that Roddenberry had these ideas churning around in his head for many years. You can tell he was bursting to give them expression. For me, TOS best expresses Roddenberry's enthusiasm and the sense of wonder that so many of us feel about space.
I am a casual fan, being a TOS lovers and dipping my tow into the other series. You give good logic for your decisions!
I'm glad to see that I am not the only one whose first proper start Trek experience from start to finish was Voyager
My own ranking:
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. TOS
4. VOY
5. ENT
6. TAS
We’re I to add the new shows, it would be the same up to ENT, but after that it would be
6. DIS s2
7. TAS
8. LD
9. PIC
10. Rest of DIS
There are so many DS9 episodes where I cried because of how sad it was. And yet there are those where I cried because of how they depicted family, friendship and unity; 'Body Parts' is one such episode, as the crew and residents start bringing in everything he needs to continue running the bar...that's unexpectedly touching.
I feel the exploration of the politics of the early federation members in season 4 of ENT was the best part of that show, and would of had a DS9 feel if given the chance the writers initially wanted for the series.
That was a fantastic part of the show. That said, the Vulcan ark that developed from the very first episode right through season 4 was the best part of the series. It started off infuriating a lot of fans with their bitter relationship, and evolved into the best Vulcan story in the entire series. Masterfully done. It encompassed a full societal development. Both human & Vulcan societies faced & overcame serious, but believable, hurdles.
I disagreed with your movie rankings (especially Star Trek IV), but this was exactly the ranking I have of the shows, and for the same reasons.
Pretty shocking that he put ST4 so low on his list.
DS9 is the only series I've seen that ACTUALLY corresponds to the "space western" formula.
Try "Firefly" for another great space western.
@@leslauner5062 Been hearing bout that 1 quit a bit, I'll look into it.
And that is why people like it because it is basic, just like they are.
I feel TNG is the core of the franchise. It's the central point where everything leads to and evolves from. It represents the soul of Star Trek. And it's interesting that it usurped TOS.
I do agree that DS9 is the best, although there was a lot of meh in the first two seasons. From season 3, it effectively had a 5 season story arc, which is unique in Star Trek. I feel that DS9 gives us a real feel for the size, diversity and strength of the Federation.
I just finished Enterprise and I quite like it. I especially like how it gives us a glimpse into the early exploration and the formation of what would become the Federation.
I'm a bit cold on Voyager because it feels detached from the other ST shows. As said, being away from Starfleet and the Federation makes it unique. But it also loses the connection with what I see most represents ST.
Absolutely nailed this one - DS9 is not only the best Trek but one of if not the best SciFi that's ever graced TV.
DS9 is arguably the most divisive of all the Treks even to this day.
I unfortunately am one of the detractors.
Strangely I started liking the show from the get go but over time grew to hate all the characters. The problem was they had flaws but the series didn't seem to properly address those flaws. It was the episode "For the Uniform" that really pissed me off when Sisco tried to commit genocide to capture Eddington and the episode plays it off like it was nothing. You can't get the main character to do something like that and have the audience still respect him as a hero. I couldn't bring myself to finish the series after that.
I’m a big Star Wars fan and a much more casual Star Trek fan... however, I’ve been immersing myself in Trek recently and I love how the fan community is so positive and doesn’t hate 50% of what is out there
TOS ≥ TNG > ENT ≥ DS9 > VOY
Ranking DS9 that low is probably scandalous, but though I really like some aspects of the series, it has its issues. I'm not as enamored of most of the primary characters as in TOS or TNG (I think a lot of the characters in ENT were just plain miscast). I did enjoy the mini-arcs it had, but it never seemed to be able to fully commit to a big arc, nor properly shake the episodic roots of Star Trek. It didn't sell the politics the way Babylon 5 did, which made that show feel much more encompassing than just its primary location, and as a result, the space station setting of DS9 could seem a bit confining. And going back and rewatching DS9, I realized that I had been ranking it a bit too high on the basis of its ideas more than its actual execution. Meanwhile, I found ENT's 3rd season arc to be more compelling than any in DS9, feeling a lot more urgent and real. Maybe I'd rate DS9 more highly if Babylon 5 weren't around to show what a political space station show that really commits to its arcs looks like, but Babylon 5 does exist, and for as much as it can be cheesy and even cringy at times, overall, I think it easily bests DS9.
Voyager is just a mess, and where DS9 couldn't fully commit to its arcs nor truly embrace its politics, Voyager completely botched its basic premise. There was so much it could've done with two rival factions, lost in an unfamiliar part of the galaxy, far from home, having to cooperate in order to just survive, but it almost immediately squandered all of its potential.
i have a hard time ranking Trek series, because each one has great qualities to it. like you said, i don't particularly dislike any of them, but i understand your ranking.
ST Animated Series, i see why it's at the bottom of your list, but yeah, i like it a lot. it's fun and has some great stories to it. what can i say? i like the retro kid feel to it.
Enterprise: like it a lot. Season one was a mixed bag, but it took me too long to get into, because i believed the negativity behind it. because it was so berated, it could never live down to the bad comments. so i was pleasantly surprised.
Voyager - i've only seen the first three seasons. it had great concept and elements, and great stories. Janeway is great, and i liked Tuvok. still gotta see 7 of 9, and the Doctor is great too. but i see what you mean when it was played safe. i'm cool with it. gotta see the rest of it.
TOS - Thank you for liking it! it often gets berated, because they can't get into the old style of it. but the stories and the characters are just stellar!
TNG - It took me a while to get into it, because season 1 was terrible, but by the end, it lived up to the hype. the storytelling eventually went on to be great, and the characters grew on me. Gateway Trek? nice term.
DS9 - Yeah it is awesome :D
Huh. Our rankings are identical. Awesome!
I would put TOS ahead of TNG for one simple reason: Sharper characters. Imagine a Kirk/Spock/McCoy/Scotty conversation...and remove all the character slugs. You would know by their language, attitude and cadence exactly who was saying what. Now try that same exercise with Picard/Ricker/Crusher/Data/LaForge. Much of the dialogue would be interchangeable. It's really easy for an impressionist to "do" Spock. Or McCoy. Or Scotty. And especially Kirk. (Due to Shatner's hammy performance technique.) But who can "do" Beverly Crusher? Or LaForge? Or Riker? Or even Data. Except for Patrick Stewart's "Engage," TNG offered no "catch-phrases" comparable to Spock's "Illogical" and "Fascinating," Scotty's "Aye, Capt'n" and "I'm givin' her all she's got!" or McCoy's, "Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a (fill in the blank)." That's great TV writing!
I'd vote for TNG as #1, but understand it may be a matter of taste. Both TNG and DS9 had excellent characters, plots, and themes, but I'd give it to TNG by a narrow margin for a more consistent quality of acting on the part of the cast and the ultimate fulfilment of its premise in the finale. I'll certainly concede DS9 wowed more on the action and visuals, but I missed TNG's feeling of "family" among the characters.
Who cut Linda Park’s face in half on the Enterprise poster?
MAAAAaaaaaaaaaaNnNN!You are great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Keep it come'n.
Your ranking is by far the most accurate I've seen in UA-cam. 👍
Great list! I challenge you to rank each Star Trek series season all together. I would rank Season 4 of Enterprise VERY high. 👍🏾
Great. Spot on. Love your insight into trek
Pretty safe list. I would say you ranking is the most popular.
I tried rewatching Enterprise recently and my main thought about it was that it's just very like... STAR TREK: AMERICA.
Would you say that impression came mostly from the way they wrote Captain Archer? If so, I get what you're saying and agree.
I never took to DS9 and it constantly surprises me how popular it was/is.
I think it’s more like how popular it has become. I never watched it in the 90s, me and my pals thought it was the boring trek (although we watched Babylon 5 religiously). I only gave it a chance some 10 years ago only to find out it has aged the best of all the 90s trek, and currently stands as my favourite trek series as well, well above TNG and head and multiple shoulders above the rest.
@@Rhhe82 Cheers. I'll give it another go :-)
@@Rhhe82 fully agree. It’s aged the best.
I completely understand not adding current era Trek in this vid. My personal ranking is significantly different (and will piss SO many off). I'll preference it by saying I don't hate my lowest ranked(I at least watched all the series, as opposed to giving up on it like say, orrvile) the rest fall as they may
4. DS9
3. TOS/TAS
2. VGR/ENT
1. TNG
I had the same view as you about Enterprise. When I rewatched it, the series moved up to me. Voyager's problem is that they didn't have a plan to get the ship home. It would drive me nuts when Janeway would go, "Yeah, lets go explore Planet X 'cause 'reasons'." You are trying to get home. So other than those two series swapping slots, I agree with your list and such. Sisko is the best captain!
I never really understood this complaint. They're not trying to get home in time for dinner, so they don't have time to stop for an hour at the bar. Their voyage will take tens of years, and stopping for a few days when they find something interesting isn't that big a deal. Like she says, they are explorers after all.
Another great video. Normally I agree with you almost 100%, but this particular time I got to say I feel original the series should be in front of next generation.
Bang on the ranking I expected.
I think I'd have Voyager above TOS because of my nostalgia for it, but TOS is better.
Well, that's why they make vanilla and chocolate ice cream!
Here's my list, for what it's worth...
1. TNG : Growing up with TOS reruns, it was incredible to have a new Star Trek just when I needed it!
2. Star Trek : Sure the effects were lacking but wonderful stories with excellent crew interaction makes it classic
3. Voyager : I loved the premise of it and they had a great cast but wow it missed some great opportunities
4. DS9 : Why so low? I just never got into it. I didn't like the characters. Yes, it got very good later on but I really didn't care
5. Enterprise : I really wanted to like this show. Some very good episodes, liked the cast, but it just fell flat
6. The Animated Series : I was watching this "live" as a little boy. But it was just awkward. Something about the music, dialogue, and "empty spaces" just made it weird and unsettling.
Anyhoo...good call! As for the majority of ST films and recent shows, just count me out.
4:34 Voyager was my first Star Trek show as well. I watched it when I was 16 years old. It was my entry into the franchise. But I acknowledge that it is not that good as I remember. However, I will not trash it. Voyager was what got me into Star Trek, and I will treasure it.
We all know what Damar's most iconic line was...
"Maybe you should talk to Worf again..."
I agree Voyager had so much potential to be where DS9 is in the list.
There's some great episodes & some of my favourites in all Trek.
It always bugged me that there was some brilliant story telling opportunities missed.
It was supposedly going to be set on a Romulan ship that ended up in Andromeda after being dragged there while pursuing a small Federation ship.
I want to watch that show so bad, I just can't stand it!!!
My list is the same. 100% agree about DS9, though I wish you'd mentioned Garak in supporting characters. He's probably the most important supporting character in all of Trek.
Great video. I agree 100%. And thanks for leaving out New Trek. Not a fan of those myself, and I doubt they will ever come close to the 90s Trek I grew up with. But we all have to admit that even TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT all needed a couple of seasons to find their own identity.
Nice seeing someone like DS9 as much as I do. People usually look at me crosseyed when I say how much I liked it.
I agree, tough to say which is better but TOS, TNG and DS9 are the tops.
Was going to object strongly to your ranking TNG above TOS, but you do have a good point about the TNG ensemble.
My two slips of latinum:
1. DS9
2. TNG
3. TOS
4. ENT
5. VOY
6. TAS
Cool Video. I recently rewatched TNG out of nostalgia, as it was the series my Dad and I watched every day after school and during supper. DS9 like you said was only viewed in bits and pieces at first, but I'm in a sci-fi trekkie kinda mood lately. I'm about to start season 2, thanks for sharing your list and thoughts.
My ranking would be very similar, with two changes:
1. I regard TAS as Season 4 of TOS, so I wouldn't rank it separately.
2. I find the last two seasons of ENT strong enough to give it the edge over VOY.
As far as the Animated Series, I agree that it is better than many people realize, yet, you have to put something at the bottom. So, sure, I’m basically okay with your order.
Totally agree. DS9 was by far the best. And like you said, every time i re-watch it, i have to start from the beginning. It was the only Star Trek series i actually missed when it went off.
The best show, by elimination is deep space nine.
You're goddamn right!
DS9 is same from me, its something about Sisko being a normal dude who can get angry, frustrated, cant hold grudges but at the end do what is right ... compared to "perfect picard with flaws" for example and the support cast is so amazing
Deep space 9 is the better overall show, but TNG has some of the best individual episodes.
Debatable. Sure, TNG has about two to three really good epsidoes in each season, but they aren't Far Beyond the Stars, It's Only a Paper Moom, Duet, the Visitor, etc.
@@ssm100 I agree. And TNG has a lot of bad ones
Maybe, but TNG has so many bland episodes. The lack of an over-arching storyline really make TNG very uninteresting to watch from start to end. Pick and choose some great ones sure, but compare it with DS9 (or even Enterprise’s 3rd season) where every episode counts..way better overall.
Me: Oooh! A New Rowan J Coleman video! Today just went from meh to good!
8:28: "...big, two-hour long retrospective video..."
Me: And today just went from good to great!
I forget the the title of this DS 9 episode. The crew get stuck on a planet being held by a small force of Starfleet personnel. Been under constant attack by the Jem H' dar. Been waiting for relief for a long time. Quark says to Nog. "Huu mans are pleasant people ...until you take away their creature comforts....then they become as blood thirsty as any. Klingon" (not exact quote) Always liked that.
The siege of AR 558
Thanks for the ranking. I would generally agree with the list although I would swap DS9 and next Gen. I would actually agree with your analysis but the serialized nature of DS9 is a turnaround slight downer. I had the most fun watching it originally. It might be better critically but as a busy man who loves the old shows bur I may be able to watch two or three episodes a week. I don't wa nt to have to think about what happened; before. I want to go to something familiar and rewatch a show. I can do this with Next Generation Deep space 9 ended largely removed every thing. All the arcs came to a satisfactory conclusion. I respect your opinion I'm a casual viewer.. I also tend to watch sci-fi for the ideas and honestly the soap opera like elements tend at times to be slight turn off as well.
As I keep rewatching through them my list has become and I’ll put the new shows in:
DS9
TNG
Enterprise
TOS
Lower Decks
Discovery
Voyager
Picard
Animated Series
I'd flip Enterprise with TNG, but otherwise I agree. Haven't seen the new shows yet though
Yeah at the time I didn’t like it as much, but it would be number 3 on my watch list if I was going through them all right now.
@@seanmcgrath3826 I disagree. Enterprise was getting good, but it got canceled and it fell apart at the end.
You put discovery above voyager... discovery is generic space series with star trek iconography even DS9 had more actual starfleet ideals and trek in it than discovery and DS9 had almost jumped the shark on those fronts.
@@craigcutler6919 I know but I honestly can’t rewatch voyager anymore despite it having better themes than discovery.
Voyager is a great show to rewatch on Netflix. While Next Gen has some great episodes (and Picard, Data, Riker, Worf, Geordi are excellent), some shows on Next Gen weren't that great and just drama piece fillers between better episodes. Voyager is a bit more consistent for an episodic show. Janeway, the Doctor and Seven are great characters, and Paris and Belona, Harry are good secondary characters. I would put Voyager ahead of DS9 myself. Voyager and Next Gen I would put at a tie, Next Gen perhaps slightly higher because more high quality main characters. TOS original series in the top 3 mainly due to Kirk and Spock /Shatner and Nimoy's performances.