SOUND DEMO: Wharfedale Diamond 12.1
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
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Wow these sound amazing!! I’ve been looking at so many speakers in and around this price range and I’m going to get the wharfdales 12.1 can’t wait to get them now!
Binaural recordings are the very best way to demonstrate what a speaker can do (especially if the audience has decent listening gear).
Subbed after this, the first video I've seen from you. Hope you still do these demos. The comparison with direct original and speaker output is fantastic!
Obviously you are not going to get the true sound of these speakers in a UA-cam video. However, compared to other sound tests, this was one of the best ones. Considering the limitations of a compressed UA-cam video, the speakers sounded very good!
So impressive, that’s it’s unnerving! My listening area is about that size...maybe. These are tiny, but the listening position makes them sound bigger/fuller than my Totem Arros. These are also very detailed. Thank you for putting that effort into the binaural capture.
Thank you for taking the time to comment. I'm glad you found it useful.
@@joentell very impressed with the sound of these
I have Diamond 9.2 and 225 , looks like the 12.1 tweeter response is better then the old models , can't be sure from listening through the headphone but that what I felt during this demo
appreciate your work , thanks
The bass sounded pretty unbelievable too from such a small speaker!
The treble response measures better than the 11.1's I reviewed. In my opinion of course.
The 12 series tweeter hails back from the 11 series. The idea was to make the tweeter surround as flat and non-protrusive as possible with the tweeter dome brought as close as to the surface of the ring as the laws of physics would allow. This would forgo the use of a more recessed style 'wave guide' design many a speaker manufacturer uses these days, to allow unobtrusive sound wave dispersion from the tweeter, resulting in much less separation from the high and low frequencies two-driver speaker designs carry and a wider center sound stage.
Just by looking at the tweeter on my 11.2 and comparing it with the photos of the 12 it appears the new 12 tweeter is actually more recessed than the 11, which is little strange since this is the feature specifically touted on the 12s.
I would also like to know if Wharfedale dropped the sealed rear chamber as known on tweeters from the 11 series. That allows the tweeter to be isolated from the rest of the cabinet resonance to a great degree as the whole driver is sitting inside a separate closed round plastic box. There's no mention of this on the new 12 series.
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How good are these at low volume? How would you compare these to the kef q150?
Haven't tested the Q150's, but typically, more efficient speakers with a v-shaped response help compensate for our ability to hear certain frequencies at low volumes. These aren't bad, but maybe not as good as say some Klipsch speakers.
These Wharfedales sound great.
Wow, I was think about buying these, now I really want them!!!
Sounds great and a surprising amount of bass for a 5 inch! These are blowing past their 65hz -3db spec!
Yes they are. I like underrating much more than overrating.
I’m curious about the 12.2’s. I know with copyright issues we’re stuck listening to stuff we’ve never heard before. So hard to get a reference for the sound. How does this speaker do for classic rock? Say Zeppelin, AC/DC, Rush etc? We need some heavy guitar and drums.
Awesome
I don't know how accurately the sound is perceived by me and my gear but this a test that I can actually relate to and have as a reference.
Thank you for this!
You've probably showed this in a previous video, but can you show your filming and mic setup for these tests? The first audio sounded more lively direct, but everything else had a very natural sound from the distance you recorded. I actually preferred the jazz music when listening from your seated position.
I use binaural mics that I wear. I shared some info here www.reddit.com/r/BudgetAudiophile/comments/k0jf1s/sound_demo_399pr_wharfedale_diamond_121s/?
I have the Wharfedale Diamond 220 (white), quite pleased with them. Do you have a demo of this model? The Diamond 12.1 you demo are impressive. Unfortunately my bookshelf speakers are not on stands and away from the wall, they would probably sound even better if they were placed like yours. Keep up the good work and greetings from Rome, Italy. :-)
Earlier on this week I watched a video where the diamond series of 12.0 12.1 12.2 and 12.3 were put up against each other, the 12.3s came out on top, not surpisring as it had bigger bass drivers than all the others and its size was boardering on being floor standers as opposed to bookshelf, but also as expected quite a bit more expensive, what was surprissing was the 12.1 ones did not get a very good review by any of the reviwer's, normally the .1, versons of the diamond series i.e. 9.1 10.1 11.1 get very good reviews, and good value for money, what did come out of this review was the 12.0 came out above the 12.1 in their opinion, and nearley on par with the 12.2, making it punching well above its price tag, and I have to admit it certainly did sound very good indeed. so if you had a tight budget then go for these the reviewer's said, now here's the nub, all of a sudden there has been a lot of the 12.1 on their own videos on UA-cam saying how good it is, I wonder if its because it has not sold as well and there is an excess of stocks at dealers still to sell.
Did they show any measurement data to back up their claims?
Hi, would you recommend these over 11.1 you also reviewed?
Thanks in advance.
Good...what is the model of the amplifier being tested?
The sound scooped from listening position. Is that how they sound in person? They sound better when you brought the mic closer, could be the room.
What do you mean by scooped? It could be the room also affecting the sound.
@@joentell Room is always affecting the sound, no matter how much you tweak the room, it wil always sound different. That is why most people are puzzled why the speakers they just bought sound a bit different in the shop/store. I think its fair to say at least 25% of the sound character is responsible by the acoustics of a room.
Yes, I agree with the room making a difference. I'm asking what you meant by scooped. What frequency range were you asking about?
Like around 250 to 500 it seems to be low. Like v shaped eq a bit . It’s probably the room. When you get closer I hear the frequencies.
Its nowhere near scooped.
I have these and the ELAC Uni-fi UB5 have them hooked to a switch to switch back and forth to hear difference and the Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 sound alot better to me just my opinion, wierd cause the ELAC Uni-fi UB5 are $150 more. the bass in the 12.1 is cleaner and tighter then the ELAC Uni-fi UB5 also. maybe its because i only have 150 watt amp to power the ELAC Uni-fi UB5 idk.
Which switch are you using? I could use something like that
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Thanks. I was looking into them last night. I think I'll try to get one with a remote for A/B testing.
for my ears a lot of ELACs have less bass and too much treble especially in comparison to the "British" sounding bookshelf speakers in the same prise range which I like a lot together with British amps
compare to dali oberon 1.. which one has a better sound ?
What song is at 3:33 ? I need it for reference
I subscribe to your channel as i feel you did an excellent job in making this video. Thumbs up.
These little speakers sounded excellent in your room ! 👍
Highs are not an issue for this speaker since they're design to be warm and lay back sounding
These speakers do not have a problem with highs. They are 18khz @ -3db and is very flat from midrange to 18khz. Even at 20khz they are at -6db, which is barely audible. The reason why these will sound 'dull' is when its next to bright speakers. And that BBC Dip is a warm welcome too.
What amps do you use ?
Again...amazing! Can I ask, what are the dimensions in your room? Looking for small -well made - but potent monitors (like these) for an 11x12 room (I know, small room).
PSB P5 vs Diamond 12.1. Which one is better in terms of sonic performance? Thanks
I've reviewed both and ranked them here bit.ly/SpeakerLeaderboard
Now in curious about the 12.2's!!!
Me too!
Me too as well. The 12.2's are definitely on my list as a potential future purchase!
@@joentell are we gonna see a review in the future?
It's already posted!
@@joentell Excellent Joe! Thanks for the update!
Wharfedale Diamond 12.2 or Triangle borea br02 + sub for watching TV and listening internet radio??
How are they in comparison to Polk ES20?
BBC dip. I used to have speakers with it. Cozy sounding but at the expense of high-mid details. Rock/metal sounds better on that kind of speakers IMO, or I might be just more used to that type of sound for that type of music.
What's a bbc? Theres a dip in 2k area if that's what you mean.
Hmm sounded a little more weight on the bass and muddy on the overall resolution, is that how it turns out?
You have to consider what the room is doing. Even the best speakers in the world would be affected by the room
Absolutely nothing wrong with the 11 series. In fact the cabinet design is superior. Be interesting to A/B with the equivalent previous models (I have) you might be surprised.
How are they compared to the 11.1s?
Gonna have to wait for the full review. 😉
@@joentell can’t wait!
I've just purchased the 12.1 and seen alot of hate across the internet on them people saying the 12.0 is alot better. starting to regret my choice already! 😞
Well they were wrong.
Wharfedale diamond 12.2 vs Q acoustics 3030i ?
12.1 doesn't have this low bass ,a sub is used that's why it sound good .
It does have this low bass for sure, I have them in use without a sub.
@@wildebassman I have them for over a year. They do have weighty bunch depending on the size of your room. Mine is 10 by 10 feet. Logically I don't expect earth-shaking bass from this 5"bass unit. By the way, these speakers are in fact amazing cos when switching to different power cords or interlocking cables, they can tell the differences and it's really really interesting. Enjoy them so much.
Can use for room 30m2? Bro
What speaker stands are those?
Kanto
How’s the stability putting on Kanto’s smaller stands?
Hi Joe what is the audio track? details
The track is from Epidemic Sound. I'm not sure if it's available anywhere else.
if i am not hearing it wrongly, the diamond widen the sound and the bass become more disperse. So in return the the bass become less focus, less tigher, less magnitude. overal sound become a bit less fuller or other word thinner. i guess if one's is to use this diamond, it need to pair with a proper sub like rel to bring back the mid bass and bass freq of the sound. for high freq part...not much of different than the original track, which is clear not fatigue and is as close to the orignal track. mid freq also get a bit of the effect of wide sound stage and disperse, so should be still ok and nice to hear. this is how i feel if i am not getting it wrong since i am playing it through my gear.
what do you think?
When do we get the full review 😉
A few days. Finishing editing
@@joentell Sure !
The sound pretty clear to me , I’m curious if you were playing them at a high volume though ?
Close to reference. Above 75dB in my listening position. You would have to raise your voice to be heard over the music.
ridicilous good sound
smooth
They definitely play bigger than they are.
Agree
Intros??? I don't need no stinkin intros. You know who I am. 😅🤣
I'll throw an intro on the full review.
@@joentell I'm OK without intros.
Just get right in there! 😁
Thanks Joe.
These newbies will however still have to prove themselves against the current king of Diamonds - the 11 series.
The lack of curved body Diamonds were known for since 9 series and features in Opus, Pacific, old Evo, Reva, new Evo, Elysian, plus the rear vs bottom porting will be missed by many.
They look like budget speakers, a mere upgrade to the Diamond 200 series.
Sorry but I'm not biting into this one :(
You're going to see the email I sent to the US distributor. My initial impressions reflect yours...but then I heard them.
@@joentell Do you still own those 11.1 you had on test last year? Could you do a comparo?
Cheers.
No I don't.
Superrrrr
I am listening to this on my Elac F6.2 and I like the original track better...
It's not supposed to be speakers VS the original track. The source track is the point of reference. Think of the source track as the perfect speaker in a perfect room... completely transparent.
@@joentell - Yes. But could not resist :) That said, the Elac F6.2 is a very transparent speaker. I have been listening to it for 18 months and they keep getting better. I have literally stopped listening to the other speakers I have - Infinity Interludes, Definitive Tech, Pioneer FS52, Elac Debut F5
This is a clear example of why speaker boxes are ruining the music...
Good test!
I'm not sure what you mean about speaker boxes ruining the music.
@@joentell I mean in application like an open baffle, letting the driver play as much as it can without altering its behaviour.
For open baffle, it's heavily dependent on an even bigger box, our rooms.
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I think you are using a subwoofer.
You're hearing a lot of room reflection gain.
The room does add bass depending on where you are and where the speakers are. It does sound like that though.
Do have a bass adjustment ? Use it ffs
Oh shut up
The bass is too much, much more than the original soundtrack
Its called room gain.
the bass sounds unnatural.
clearly not tonally accurate
Relative to what other speakers under $500? I just want to understand your point of reference.
@@joentell compared to pioneer hdj-c70 dj headphones hahaha but note that they bested adx5000 in tonality and dynamics :p
they are my current tonal reference beside lacking in soundstage and imaging.. nothing have tried ever had the sound these have.. tho i had estats that bested them for openness,air and resolution.. lacked dynamics, life, slam and bass..
this is why i can say this from your recording..
Clearly you and your headphones are wrong. Look at ALL the frequency response charts online on the 12.0, 12.1 and 12.2. They are the flattest Diamonds yet and one of the flattest, if not the flattest, Ive seen in this price range. Comparing to headphones? You must be smoking something really special.
watch this sound demo as well : ""Ridiculously Good!" Wharfedale Diamond 12.1 HiFi Speakers Sound Demo REVIEW" made by "Pursuit Perfect System"
You use really horrendous and unlistenable music, rendering this sound sample unuseable
Copyright is an issue on UA-cam. I don't listen to this music. It's a comparative demo. We're not reviewing music here.
get the right lenght speaker cable dude..
These cables are usually connected to the speakers behind the ones you're seeing. This is for the purpose of testing only and they go back once I'm done filming.
The bass sounds rather bloated on the wharfdale.
Original tracks sound better dude.
I would be very worried if it didn't. No speaker will be better than the source. The point is to use it as a point of reference.
Wharfedale diamond 12.1 vs Q acoustics 3030i?
Wharfedale are better value