In about 1995 i was waiting for a vacant platform outside Victoria with an eight car networker (465) with a Dartford via Bexleyheath to Victoria service and could tell that passengers were getting restless. I called signals control to find out what the delay was? I was told that we were being re-platformed as we were waiting for a charter being pulled by steam engine Sir Nigel Gresley to get up a head of steam. I made an annoucement that we were going into platform three and the steam engine was to our right on platform two. You could feel the whole train lurch as everybody crossed over for a look as i crept in slower than normal so everybody had a good look. It was probably the best ever excuse i gave for a late arrival. I had no complaints from passengers and a few compliments as well. To quote Pink Floyd, "Obscured by Clouds", but sounds absolutely amazing.
Great movie showing Southern steam. I used to travel into Victoria station every day for work in the 1960's. It was such a shock to see the decay of the approach in to one of London's main line stations. The weeds have turned into trees in the 6 ft way, litter and untidiness every where. When I travelled to and from Victoria every weekend day the railway lines and track bed were clean and tidy and well maintained, and there was one corporate colour, SR green. Today the emu's are all painted in different corporate rainbow colours, nothing matches. Perhaps they are painted that way disguise any confetti attacks. London's buses are all painted red, even though operated by different companies, London's different tube lines are all pained in similar corporate colours, so why aren't all the emu's that operate to and from the main line railway stations from destinations south of the Thames, all be painted in one common regional green livery.
Great video. Moves nicely covered. Unusual, but very effective seeing them going out rather than coming out. I don't recall seeing that angle before either. Shame about the unruly smoke on the last shot though. Thanks for sharing.
At school in the sixties went on school trip to Switzerland taking boat train from Victoria pulled by a exSouthern Railway Schools locomotive. Folkestone had pannier tanks and one B1 loco as coach stock shunters
Interesting stuff. Some very unusual views of Victoria. I don't know the place too well but don't know if I'd have recognised it from there. Clever choice of shot too, getting both diesels and both kettles from the same spot. That 33 did well up the bank too. With them looking so similar to the 26/27s, it's easy to forget the power they have when needed. Some weird smoke effects in that last scene too. I've never seen a Southern pacific in the flesh, impressive machine.😁👍
I think the billowing smoke effect in the last shot was caused by the regulator being shut to control a slight slip and the consequent drawing through of residual ash and smoke.
On the Central side one pair of platforms has a middle crossover. I wonder why they couldn't run round there instead of using a diesel to shunt the stock.
Steam specials are only allowed to use the Eastern side as the Central side is treated as 'section 12' - i.e. effectively underground and with smoke detectors. Also, the diesel remained attached all day to power the workings in one direction while steam did the other.
The diesel brings in the stock from Southall for the first run of the day (the 0931 from Victoria) which is steam-hauled throughout around a loop via Olympia, Willesden and Richmond. The second and third trips are out-and-back to Willesden and the diesel takes it on the outward legs, with steam on the return.
Very kind, thanks. I use a Canon EOS R5 and a Sony RX10mk4. Both are 4K cameras, and the Canon is actually 8K, but until YT (and most other sites/users) can accommodate 8K, I don't use it. On top of that, my current MacBookPro doesn't handle the huge data flow well, but I have my eye on the new model which is specifically designed, among other things, to accommodate 8K. Apart from the video quality it's possible to extract frames from 8K video which are very high quality stills, to the extent that some people simply take bursts of vdeos for moving subjects and then extract the shots they want. I owe my camera handling traits largely to my late father who taught me, for example, how to frame, compose and use as little fast zooming as possible.
The train with 'Braunton' at the country end was brought in by Class 47 D1944 (which stayed attached around the Surrey hills circuit), while the train brought in by 'Mayflower' had 33207 at its country end. 33207 then took that train out again, to reverse at Willesden to allow 'Mayflower' to head back to Victoria again.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Actually the 47 was silent on the departure and provided no traction assistance - of course it would have done if really needed, but I imagine the private charter's instructions were to let steam take the load wherever possible. The same was the case later on the climbs of the Surrey hills.
@@iandocwra1169 There to assist, not actually assisting at the time. It's what we do. There is two way radio between crews top & tail, and it's down to the leading driver to require assistance if needed. As a main line registered steam driver, its plain common sense. These old steam locos do remarkable work.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Absolutely. What was unusual here was that no assistance was given up Grosvenor bank, which is very rare for steam leaving Victoria, when the diesel either drops off on the bridge or stays on the back. The same was true of the 33-led train which had 'Mayflower' 'dead' at the back - with 1550hp and the equivalent of 14 coaches on 1 in 70, that was even more remarkable.
Interesting you should comment re: 14 coaches...............So why do those particularly, in the South of E. not refer to this when the Steam loco happens to be hauling the coaches and diesel? and, No! the diesel's do not TnT as those misguided individuals think.
In about 1995 i was waiting for a vacant platform outside Victoria with an eight car networker (465) with a Dartford via Bexleyheath to Victoria service and could tell that passengers were getting restless. I called signals control to find out what the delay was? I was told that we were being re-platformed as we were waiting for a charter being pulled by steam engine Sir Nigel Gresley to get up a head of steam. I made an annoucement that we were going into platform three and the steam engine was to our right on platform two. You could feel the whole train lurch as everybody crossed over for a look as i crept in slower than normal so everybody had a good look. It was probably the best ever excuse i gave for a late arrival. I had no complaints from passengers and a few compliments as well. To quote Pink Floyd, "Obscured by Clouds", but sounds absolutely amazing.
Very nice angles and subjects.
Thank you for sharing.
Nice haul by the 33 as you said.
Al.
Fab to see two classic steam locos in the same terminal again!
Very nice! Incredible that 54 years after the end of steam on the southern we can still see such sights.
Those going away shots are very effective. Great thrash from the Crompton out of Victoria.
Great movie showing Southern steam. I used to travel into Victoria station every day for work in the 1960's. It was such a shock to see the decay of the approach in to one of London's main line stations. The weeds have turned into trees in the 6 ft way, litter and untidiness every where. When I travelled to and from Victoria every weekend day the railway lines and track bed were clean and tidy and well maintained, and there was one corporate colour, SR green. Today the emu's are all painted in different corporate rainbow colours, nothing matches. Perhaps they are painted that way disguise any confetti attacks. London's buses are all painted red, even though operated by different companies, London's different tube lines are all pained in similar corporate colours, so why aren't all the emu's that operate to and from the main line railway stations from destinations south of the Thames, all be painted in one common regional green livery.
Thanks for sharing the experience.
Some interesting angles at Victoria. Thanks for sharing, Ian. 😊 Hilary
It's great not just to still see steam but hear the sound of the locomotive
Class 47 and a west country on the same train , my ifdea of heaven
Fantastic Quality output Ian. Merry Christmas.
Very kind - season's greetings to you too.
Some really fantastic filming here, great angles (and of course great subjects)
Very kind - thank you.
Great video. Moves nicely covered. Unusual, but very effective seeing them going out rather than coming out. I don't recall seeing that angle before either. Shame about the unruly smoke on the last shot though. Thanks for sharing.
two and a half minutes from the end I swear I could actually smell the. oily smokey steam.
That's a real nice 47
That is some serious weight behind that 33😮. It does well for only 1500 horses.
I did not even realise there were any main line registered class 33's... Great to see one pulling a kettle...
Very cool video and train's watching from Cradle Mountain Tasmania Australia🤫 cheers KC 🇦🇺🇦🇺🤝🇬🇧🇬🇧😎🙂👍
At school in the sixties went on school trip to Switzerland taking boat train from Victoria pulled by a exSouthern Railway Schools locomotive. Folkestone had pannier tanks and one B1 loco as coach stock shunters
I was on that trip. I was from a school in Plymouth
Excellent footage! Thanks for sharing it.
Thanks for the kind comment. Are you the Jon Elphick I know from the 'YS' FB group?
@@iandocwra1169 Yes, that's me! :)
@@jonelphick8316 Wonderful! I sense a possible new, even more niche, group in the making!
@@iandocwra1169 Yeah that will be a niche group - just the two of us!
Great video! Nice to see 61306 whistling hello to 34046!
We had hoped that 34046 would acknowledge but I assume the crew were busy.
Excellent filming
Excellent material
Interesting stuff. Some very unusual views of Victoria. I don't know the place too well but don't know if I'd have recognised it from there. Clever choice of shot too, getting both diesels and both kettles from the same spot. That 33 did well up the bank too. With them looking so similar to the 26/27s, it's easy to forget the power they have when needed.
Some weird smoke effects in that last scene too. I've never seen a Southern pacific in the flesh, impressive machine.😁👍
I think the billowing smoke effect in the last shot was caused by the regulator being shut to control a slight slip and the consequent drawing through of residual ash and smoke.
@@iandocwra1169 Quite possibly. It works though, makes for an interesting shot.
Thanks to Victorian railways🌹
Beautiful 47, the 33 could do with similar treatment.
You can almost smell the steam.
On the Central side one pair of platforms has a middle crossover. I wonder why they couldn't run round there instead of using a diesel to shunt the stock.
Steam specials are only allowed to use the Eastern side as the Central side is treated as 'section 12' - i.e. effectively underground and with smoke detectors. Also, the diesel remained attached all day to power the workings in one direction while steam did the other.
Why a diesel always being towed?
The diesel brings in the stock from Southall for the first run of the day (the 0931 from Victoria) which is steam-hauled throughout around a loop via Olympia, Willesden and Richmond. The second and third trips are out-and-back to Willesden and the diesel takes it on the outward legs, with steam on the return.
Seeing the bulbel British pullman very soon
Excellent camera handling, most enjoyable. What equipment were you using as a matter of interest?
Very kind, thanks. I use a Canon EOS R5 and a Sony RX10mk4. Both are 4K cameras, and the Canon is actually 8K, but until YT (and most other sites/users) can accommodate 8K, I don't use it. On top of that, my current MacBookPro doesn't handle the huge data flow well, but I have my eye on the new model which is specifically designed, among other things, to accommodate 8K. Apart from the video quality it's possible to extract frames from 8K video which are very high quality stills, to the extent that some people simply take bursts of vdeos for moving subjects and then extract the shots they want.
I owe my camera handling traits largely to my late father who taught me, for example, how to frame, compose and use as little fast zooming as possible.
Sorry but the nameplates standout brttr with red backgrounds which the locos as built had
Which proper Pullman car was being pulled by Braunton?
I paused the video to check and it's 'Pegasus'. I believe it's an occasional part of the Saphos set for private charters, etc.
B1 Mayflower and the the merchant Navy Battle of Britain
Why a diesel engine at the same time ???
The train with 'Braunton' at the country end was brought in by Class 47 D1944 (which stayed attached around the Surrey hills circuit), while the train brought in by 'Mayflower' had 33207 at its country end. 33207 then took that train out again, to reverse at Willesden to allow 'Mayflower' to head back to Victoria again.
The diesel is 'assisting' and therefore vital in its role.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Actually the 47 was silent on the departure and provided no traction assistance - of course it would have done if really needed, but I imagine the private charter's instructions were to let steam take the load wherever possible. The same was the case later on the climbs of the Surrey hills.
@@iandocwra1169 There to assist, not actually assisting at the time. It's what we do. There is two way radio between crews top & tail, and it's down to the leading driver to require assistance if needed. As a main line registered steam driver, its plain common sense. These old steam locos do remarkable work.
@@railfreightdrivergallagherGBRf Absolutely. What was unusual here was that no assistance was given up Grosvenor bank, which is very rare for steam leaving Victoria, when the diesel either drops off on the bridge or stays on the back. The same was true of the 33-led train which had 'Mayflower' 'dead' at the back - with 1550hp and the equivalent of 14 coaches on 1 in 70, that was even more remarkable.
Superb video 👍🏻
Many thanks.
@@iandocwra1169 You are welcome.
Wow
Interesting you should comment re: 14 coaches...............So why do those particularly, in the South of E. not refer to this when the Steam loco happens to be hauling the coaches and diesel? and, No! the diesel's do not TnT as those misguided individuals think.
34046 Braunton lovely engine. It’s just a shame it’s owned by that Tory donor Jeremy Hosking