Mussolini actually hated pasta. Wheat in Italy is imported and was becoming increasingly expensive in the 1930s, so he actually started an anti-pasta campaign, claiming it made people weak and promoting domestically-grown rice in its place.
It's a shame the clip got cut when Victoria started speaking as it led to the set up to the March Hare question (which has been uploaded before years ago, I know. I’ve been watching QI and XL since the beginning)
Here's an odd twist on the Jazz thing. Germany mounted slanted placed upward firing guns in several aircraft called "Schräge Musik". Schräge Musik was a colloquial term for music with odd timing, like Jazz.
Spike Milligan was a Jazz trumpeter when he wasn't a Lance Bombadier and spent the majority of 1944-1947 playing Jazz across Europe and in his memoirs he mentioned that Jazz was well received in post-war Germany and Austria because it had been banned for so long by Hitler
If you haven't watched the film Swing Kids, make sure that you do! It's about teens in 30s Germany who love swing and jazz and who go to underground jazz clubs. If you haven't seen it, you'll recoginze famous actors in their younger days.
@@ikarikid Or the Korean film Swing Kids about North Korean prisoners of war coming together to form a tap dance troupe. Apparently this is a popular film title.
@@zapkvr You could be right. Norm did have a habit of recycling/improving old jokes, e.g. the moth one, the frog in the bank, and many others. Hadn't heard about Groucho doing this but it's plausible.
Jazz, like rock'n'roll, evolved into so many distinct sub styles that one might as well just say, "I like music." Everytime someone has tried to define the different types (with the obvious intent to assert their own preferences as superior), it has left me more confused than ever.
You"re exactly right. Experimentation, improvisation, and above all *freedom*, are at the heart of what jazz is. Whatever rules there supposedly are, what's most important is how the musicians choose to break them. In this way, jazz, like much art, defies classification.
I recently met a German man (thanks to a WW2 themed board game oddly enough) who said his father was put in a concentration camp for swing dancing. I expressed surprise that this would be considered illegal and he pointed out that most of the famous composers of swing tunes were either black or Jewish.
Mussolini actually loathed pasta and thought it made people lazy. He wanted people to eat risotto instead. I partly agree. I don’t hate pasta but I do prefer risotto and will always order that at an Italian restaurant if they serve it.
@quarkine1 Hitler did not shake hands with any Black athletes at the Olympics. He only shook hands with a few German gold metal winner and a few Finnish ones. He was told by the IOC that he would have to shake every gold medalists' hands or none of them, and he opted for none. Hitler believed that the Germans were part of a "pure, Aryan race" and that all other races were inferior. If you read otherwise somewhere, that source is absolutely wrong and likely a revisionist history attempting to sanitize Nazi history. Hitler's horrendous actions and views should not diminish our acknowledgement of the incredible racism and discrimination that black Americans experience (and continue to). The American president, Roosevelt, refused to acknowledge the achievements of American black athletes at the Olympics.
@quarkine1 Hitler only shook those hands because it would have been embarrassing to do anything else. He was exceptionally angry that black people beat his aryan super team, and was angry that the US would use what were essentially animals to him to win a competition like the Olympics. Nazi opposition to jazz music was explicitly about being against negroe influence on pure German society. I'm not sure how it is shocking to you that the nazis were racist, it was the basis of their entire ideology.
@@Joe-sg9ll Jazz is the gospel truth in music. The most beautifuil noise there is. What a shame it is beyond your musical understanding. I'm sorry for you. I hope you don't have too much more in common with Hitler and Stalin.
Franco didn't like the 1960s rock music either but The Beatles had two live concerts in Madrid and Barcelona in 1965. Later in 1969 The Beatles’ The Ballad of John and Yoko was axed because it referred to the couple’s wedding in Gibraltar at a time when Franco was claiming sovereignty over the Rock.
I once heard someone pretty far to right politically say "Jazz is a bastardization of the waltz" probably based on nothing more than the fact that it is music usually written in 3/4 [EDIT: I'm wrong about that], but by black people. He praised classical music for it's commitment to structure in comparison to jazz which he called structureless due to all its improv. No one had told him that classic music was no stranger to improv nor did he quite understand the amount of structure that actually goes into the rhythmic composition of jazz music. I don't wanna fully compare this guy to Hitler, obviously, but they shared the common trait that they both let their toxic brand of "politics" dictate their taste in music... Don't do that, is my humble recommendation
I wouldn't say jazz is known for being in 3/4, but it is true that a lot of the jazz hate (and nowadays it's mainly rap hate), saying it's not real music etc, is often based on racism.
If fruit really doesn't fall far from the tree the fact that Mussolini's son became a celebrated and distinguished jazz performer is enough to dislocate the senses. I'm amazed none of the panel picked up on it.
hitler didnt dislike jazz perticularly as a music form it was just the music that was most common in the places where german officers and rabbis would socialise together in the same place, and would therefore see each other as equals and as human beings which is why hitler banned the places where they would have natuarlly socialised together and that was part of the properganda machine in the mid 1930s that started to make german officers not see jews as equals as human beings
except I make a living writing about Jazz in Germany. And I know from lots of Interviews that Jazz Musicians enjoy playing in Germany because Jazz is much more appreciated here (and in Europe) than in the US.
Technically, cognitive dissonance is more than just holding contradictory beliefs. The individual has to actually experience an element of stress or discomfort from holding the contradiction they perceive. If someone has no feeling of discomfort from their contradiction, then it ain't cognitive dissonance.
I'm honestly baffled by this as well. I mean the researchers made a joke that actually the dictators were right to hate jazz. This completely disavows an entire culture and is really ignorant of the intricate musical qualities of the genre, and its rich history. I could speculate why Brits can be so dismissive of jazz but I'll pass...
@@sayno2lolzisback It seems particularly ridiculous to say they were "right" about jazz given what their reasons for hating jazz were. Like even if you don't enjoy jazz music, I DEFINITELY hope your reasons for it are different from Hitler's.
@@jamesbernardini9063 Well, just like the rest of us, John Oliver can't be right all the time. I mean, when you're talking about jazz, you're actually talking about a large spectrum of music that's lumped together under that term. From big band to bebop to cool jazz, to jazz fusion, and everything in between. I don't like ALL jazz, but there's plenty of it that I do like.
Was Churchill, Roosevelt, Patton, H. Ford jazz fans? Skewed narrative here. Jazz symbolized the melding of different cultures, peacefully. European brass instruments and African rhythms.
dude, there's no narrative here to be skewed. "It's series J. Let's do a bunch of research on random J words then coble together some themed episodes." That's the entirety of the planning. You read far too much into it.
What Did Hitler Think About Jazz? | QI 1817pm 8.1.24 everyone loves jazz. i find it somewhat hit and miss as to whether i can dig it... kenny ball's trad jazz. which can get a bit rumbustious is fine by me...
It's complicated. The oldest video of Norm making the joke is from 2013, this episode aired in 2012. I'm not saying he didn't steal it, but it's hard to find evidence of it being said earlier; at least in relation to Hitler. The joke "the more I learn about X, the less I like him" sounds like too easy a joke to make for it to not have existed some time before 2012. But I cannot confirm that.
Whenever I hear about Hitler and jazz it reminds me of the Kriegsmarine party in Das Boot where they are all going crazy and the band is playing "Swing, Swing, Swing"
@@gumshake689 nope. I’ve heard all sorts of Jazz. Can’t stand it. Self indulgent nonsense. But different strokes for different folks. I’m sure some people like it.
Mussolini actually hated pasta. Wheat in Italy is imported and was becoming increasingly expensive in the 1930s, so he actually started an anti-pasta campaign, claiming it made people weak and promoting domestically-grown rice in its place.
Maybe has was wheat intolerant and needed gluten free pastas (but didn’t know it) which probably wasn’t a thing in the 40’s
Now I understand why italians have disavowed him today.
Unfortunately the anti-pasta only campaign led to people eating salami and cheeses
I once heard about that on a show called QI!
well. that's political reasons. Doesn't mean he actually hated it as food.
It's a shame the clip got cut when Victoria started speaking as it led to the set up to the March Hare question (which has been uploaded before years ago, I know. I’ve been watching QI and XL since the beginning)
I laughed like an idiot over that.
That was a moment of perfect TV timing.
Jackrabbit?
WORSHIP IT
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it's on youtube many times over already. Including in her (shamefully short) best bits video on this channel.
Here's an odd twist on the Jazz thing. Germany mounted slanted placed upward firing guns in several aircraft called "Schräge Musik". Schräge Musik was a colloquial term for music with odd timing, like Jazz.
Yes.
Spike Milligan was a Jazz trumpeter when he wasn't a Lance Bombadier and spent the majority of 1944-1947 playing Jazz across Europe and in his memoirs he mentioned that Jazz was well received in post-war Germany and Austria because it had been banned for so long by Hitler
If you haven't watched the film Swing Kids, make sure that you do! It's about teens in 30s Germany who love swing and jazz and who go to underground jazz clubs. If you haven't seen it, you'll recoginze famous actors in their younger days.
Not to be confused with Swing Girls, which is a comedy about a group of teenage girls who form a jazz group.
I loved that film!!!
Bei mir bist du schön.
@@elaineb7065 Swing Kids or Swing Girls?
@@ikarikid Or the Korean film Swing Kids about North Korean prisoners of war coming together to form a tap dance troupe. Apparently this is a popular film title.
"The more I hear about this guy the less I like him" -- Jimmy taking a leaf out of Norm Macdonald's book
It's the hypocrisy that gets to me
@@dielaughing73it's the worst part...
It wasn't original when Norm said it. Groucho said it a hundred years ago
@@zapkvr You could be right. Norm did have a habit of recycling/improving old jokes, e.g. the moth one, the frog in the bank, and many others. Hadn't heard about Groucho doing this but it's plausible.
@@zapkvr how many years ago?
Edit - oh damn, he was born in 1890 so I take it back!
Also worth mentioning is that mussolinis granddaughter allessandra mussolini had a very brief career as a japanese city pop singer.
Who didn't?
Her father Romano was a pretty good jazz pianist in his own (far-)right.
Japanese city pop? It was italo disco.
@@simonh9987 the album she released had both city pop and italo disco, but her most popular song tokyo fantasy is city pop.
@@behemoth5344 Didn't he compose the song "Hanging around at the gas station?"
Jazz, like rock'n'roll, evolved into so many distinct sub styles that one might as well just say, "I like music." Everytime someone has tried to define the different types (with the obvious intent to assert their own preferences as superior), it has left me more confused than ever.
But there is a specific sound or set of sounds that is pure jazz.
You"re exactly right. Experimentation, improvisation, and above all *freedom*, are at the heart of what jazz is. Whatever rules there supposedly are, what's most important is how the musicians choose to break them. In this way, jazz, like much art, defies classification.
@@joshuaworden274 Early jazz is true jazz, anything else is a derivative.
@@Pagliacci_Rex when did jazz stop being jazz?
@@pipjackson8884 It didn't, that sound is still jazz. Stuff by people like Duke Ellington and his contemporaries.
I love Bill's pen bent lid pipe. Very dignified.
After Stephen's comments about defiance I thought about Casablanca and the role of music in setting the theme.
In Germany late 1930s, there was actually a resistance movement, called 'Swingjugend', young jazz and swing lovers, who opposed the Nazi government
I recently met a German man (thanks to a WW2 themed board game oddly enough) who said his father was put in a concentration camp for swing dancing. I expressed surprise that this would be considered illegal and he pointed out that most of the famous composers of swing tunes were either black or Jewish.
A bit disappointed that the association of jazz with Black folks wasn't mentioned as the reason for this hatred...
Mussolini actually loathed pasta and thought it made people lazy. He wanted people to eat risotto instead. I partly agree. I don’t hate pasta but I do prefer risotto and will always order that at an Italian restaurant if they serve it.
In fact, I think this was brought up on a different episode of QI.
Lazy? That's ridiculous. I'll explain why when I've finished this fettuccine alfredo... maybe. Assuming I can even be bothered to finish this sen
The more I hear about this guy the more I like him
Does that technically make you a fascist?
@@simonh9987 I’m gonna RICE to power.
Victoria Coren❤💕
I am going to guess it had something to do with many of the preformers’ shared skin colour. Their loss, jazz is great and chill.
I agree, but I like mine hot.
@quarkine1 Hitler did not shake hands with any Black athletes at the Olympics. He only shook hands with a few German gold metal winner and a few Finnish ones. He was told by the IOC that he would have to shake every gold medalists' hands or none of them, and he opted for none. Hitler believed that the Germans were part of a "pure, Aryan race" and that all other races were inferior. If you read otherwise somewhere, that source is absolutely wrong and likely a revisionist history attempting to sanitize Nazi history.
Hitler's horrendous actions and views should not diminish our acknowledgement of the incredible racism and discrimination that black Americans experience (and continue to). The American president, Roosevelt, refused to acknowledge the achievements of American black athletes at the Olympics.
If you do want to learn more, the term 'Entartete Musik' is a good starting point.
@quarkine1 Hitler only shook those hands because it would have been embarrassing to do anything else. He was exceptionally angry that black people beat his aryan super team, and was angry that the US would use what were essentially animals to him to win a competition like the Olympics.
Nazi opposition to jazz music was explicitly about being against negroe influence on pure German society. I'm not sure how it is shocking to you that the nazis were racist, it was the basis of their entire ideology.
@@Joe-sg9ll
Jazz is the gospel truth in music. The most beautifuil noise there is. What a shame it is beyond your musical understanding. I'm sorry for you.
I hope you don't have too much more in common with Hitler and Stalin.
Franco didn't like the 1960s rock music either but The Beatles had two live concerts in Madrid and Barcelona in 1965. Later in 1969 The Beatles’ The Ballad of John and Yoko was axed because it referred to the couple’s wedding in Gibraltar at a time when Franco was claiming sovereignty over the Rock.
Today I learnt Dwayne Johnson is older than I thought.
I once heard someone pretty far to right politically say "Jazz is a bastardization of the waltz" probably based on nothing more than the fact that it is music usually written in 3/4 [EDIT: I'm wrong about that], but by black people. He praised classical music for it's commitment to structure in comparison to jazz which he called structureless due to all its improv. No one had told him that classic music was no stranger to improv nor did he quite understand the amount of structure that actually goes into the rhythmic composition of jazz music.
I don't wanna fully compare this guy to Hitler, obviously, but they shared the common trait that they both let their toxic brand of "politics" dictate their taste in music... Don't do that, is my humble recommendation
3/4 time is uncommon in jazz.
probably 90% of jazz is 4/4 - I cant think of many 3/4 songs at all
@@adamhowemusic283 Waltz for Debbie?
I wouldn't say jazz is known for being in 3/4, but it is true that a lot of the jazz hate (and nowadays it's mainly rap hate), saying it's not real music etc, is often based on racism.
Well, the guy is Erik Striker, iirc. He has some “politics”
Sandi is great, but I miss Fry.
what do you think about the new Jeopardy he's doing?
Thanks for supporting the question in the title
The "syncopated firing" line went far too under the radar in this musical mind
If fruit really doesn't fall far from the tree the fact that Mussolini's son became a celebrated and distinguished jazz performer is enough to dislocate the senses. I'm amazed none of the panel picked up on it.
this is the same episode with the March hare and the Aztecs
hitler didnt dislike jazz perticularly as a music form it was just the music that was most common in the places where german officers and rabbis would socialise together in the same place, and would therefore see each other as equals and as human beings which is why hitler banned the places where they would have natuarlly socialised together and that was part of the properganda machine in the mid 1930s that started to make german officers not see jews as equals as human beings
did the rabbis see the germans as equal or did they see them and all non jews as human cattle?
1:22 even today there isn't much jazz in Germany, proportionally speaking.
True, unless you live in Cologne :D
except I make a living writing about Jazz in Germany. And I know from lots of Interviews that Jazz Musicians enjoy playing in Germany because Jazz is much more appreciated here (and in Europe) than in the US.
Technically, cognitive dissonance is more than just holding contradictory beliefs. The individual has to actually experience an element of stress or discomfort from holding the contradiction they perceive. If someone has no feeling of discomfort from their contradiction, then it ain't cognitive dissonance.
I’m not sure how I feel about that comment.
@1:55 I think this is the first time I've heard Dizzy Gillespie pronounced with a soft-G.
Improvisational pronunciation.
@@notrappaport5340 😉
The Dizzy Gillespie has one more blade than a regular Gillespie.
I think Gyles Brandreth mentions him in another episode too, something about hulahoops and hips.
not sure why they mentioned Stalin, when there was literally a state jazz orchestra in the 30s-40s that was created by him
Jargon. Great episode
The Luftwaffe ace Jaochim Marseilles was a defiant and tipsy jazz fan
1:16 that joke is norm macdonald‘s
Jimmy with a stubble looks so weird when you're used to _always_ see him clean shaven
Dizzy Gillespie's last name is pronounced with a hard 'G'. It's not "Djillespie".
“Dizzy Gillespie” pronounced with a soft “g”? Would have thought Stephen Fry might have known better.
1:15 Norm MacDonald has used the same joke before.
More than once
True jazz is brilliant.
There's an entire movie about how much Hitler hated jazz. It's about those who loved it and had to stay underground.
Where can we find it?
I want to know who wrote a question with the premise "Hitler was right to hate jazz" and if they have been fired yet.
I've never understood why British panel shows seem to suggest that jazz is a random cacophony of experimental, improvised music.
I'm honestly baffled by this as well. I mean the researchers made a joke that actually the dictators were right to hate jazz. This completely disavows an entire culture and is really ignorant of the intricate musical qualities of the genre, and its rich history.
I could speculate why Brits can be so dismissive of jazz but I'll pass...
@@sayno2lolzisback It seems particularly ridiculous to say they were "right" about jazz given what their reasons for hating jazz were. Like even if you don't enjoy jazz music, I DEFINITELY hope your reasons for it are different from Hitler's.
@@Geothesponge111 Right? now we are getting into speculation over why Brits don't like jazz but maybe I'd be accused of 'wokery'.
Even some people who love it describe it similarly.
1:14 Hey, that's a Norm Macdonald joke
He looked a little guilty for pinching it.
What do Hitler and Stephen Fry have in common? They both condoned genocide against a particular population
I'm totally baffled as to why they suggested that they got it "right" on jazz. The QI staff didn't like jazz?
No they don't. I believe Sandy doesn't, too. In an episode, she said something like jazz players are like "musicians searching for a tune". 😂
also i would guess that "moustaches" was a klaxon
That's ironic, considering the obnoxious cacophony that is their klaxon.
John Oliver: "Congress is like jazz, it's about the bills they're *not* passing. It's also like jazz in that anyone who says they like it is lying" 😂
@@jamesbernardini9063 Well, just like the rest of us, John Oliver can't be right all the time. I mean, when you're talking about jazz, you're actually talking about a large spectrum of music that's lumped together under that term. From big band to bebop to cool jazz, to jazz fusion, and everything in between. I don't like ALL jazz, but there's plenty of it that I do like.
Why the hell they dont provide subtitles for these videos...i have hard time understanding British accent.....
This is the way English sounds when it is properly spoken.
Perhaps you need to study more?
1:15 Jimmy Car stealing Norm MacDonalds joke
Since we’re only here for Victoria 2:05 You’re welcome.
"I'm close???"
Cognitive dissonance is the feeling of unease from your actions not aligning with your morals.
Ahh The more i hear about this guy the less i like him…. Rip norm
i didn't even know he was sick
Jimmy Carr looks like he's rolled in from a 2 day bender. 🤣
Either that or his razor's broken.
Was Jimmy referencing Norm Macdonald then? 😂 The more i hear about him the less i like him
cannot believe pasta wasn't a klaxon
Rumor has it that Hitler really loved YMCA.
All for a few jazz standards myself
I can't remember who said it but "You can say a lot of bad things about Hitler, but ... he was the only guy who successfully killed Hitler"
Well Jimmy Carr has said it, but dont know if he heard somebody else say it and recycled it
In the desert conflict, Field Marshal Rommel was a secret jazz fan, he used to wake up at night and scream "Wes Montgomery"🤪
But jazz is just polka in 3/4 time.
Not really true. The N@zis had their own genre of Jazz and specifically a Jazz band called 'Charlie and his Orchestra'.
Hitler loved lasagna. I guess that's good? 🧐
Its time we updated hitler with netenyahu, hitler is old news
Was Churchill, Roosevelt, Patton, H. Ford jazz fans? Skewed narrative here. Jazz symbolized the melding of different cultures, peacefully. European brass instruments and African rhythms.
There's a difference between not liking something and actively ordering your secret police to arrest people who do like it.
dude, there's no narrative here to be skewed. "It's series J. Let's do a bunch of research on random J words then coble together some themed episodes." That's the entirety of the planning. You read far too much into it.
Germans tended to prefer Wagner or marching-bands!
Moronic take
Surprised to hear Hitler having strong opinions.
It's a well known fact that Lincoln loved mayonaise!
Jimmy Carr copied a joke from Norm MacDonald
1:15 Jimmy straight up just stole an old Norm Macdonald joke lol
I mean it's not really a specific or original bit. It's the obvious joke to make in that context
What Did Hitler Think About Jazz? | QI 1817pm 8.1.24 everyone loves jazz. i find it somewhat hit and miss as to whether i can dig it... kenny ball's trad jazz. which can get a bit rumbustious is fine by me...
Jazz is musical masturbation.
So not all bad then?
1:16 could not be stolen more directly from Norm Macdonald
When you compare one of the greatest comedians of all time with a square-faced hack, theft may ensue.
Ah, but he's a good guy.
@@behemoth5344 or so the Germans would have us believe...
@@PwrShelf Hahaha, where do you get your ideas from?
@@behemoth5344 my strongest material comes from real life...
and whos still alive?
Well it's good to hear they weren't complete psychopaths.
Ah, the good old days before Toksvig made it all about her.
Ah, so he said that ha hated Jazz and he wast to eradicate it, and his officers thought he said Jews...
Ooh, so that was what he was ranting about in The Fall.
Even homicidal psychopaths have to get it right sometimes!
He loved reggae though…
Stalin was just as bad.
Jimmy Carr steals a classic Norm MacDonald joke.
It's complicated.
The oldest video of Norm making the joke is from 2013, this episode aired in 2012. I'm not saying he didn't steal it, but it's hard to find evidence of it being said earlier; at least in relation to Hitler.
The joke "the more I learn about X, the less I like him" sounds like too easy a joke to make for it to not have existed some time before 2012. But I cannot confirm that.
more of a comment, really.
I doubt he would mind it, he had dementia at the end
He steals all his jokes.
This is a really old joke , I believe it was originally for Chinese people...
Whenever I hear about Hitler and jazz it reminds me of the Kriegsmarine party in Das Boot where they are all going crazy and the band is playing "Swing, Swing, Swing"
Jazz sounds like the warm up.
Watched it 5 times, still can't understand Alan's answer. Mouth full of fucking marbles.
What timestamp are you referring to?
@@stradivarius151 his initial answer to Stephen's question.
Pasta
Pasta or Mussolini surrendered
@@justinpilgrim9342 thanks
I can totally understand how listening to Jazz would turn somebody into a murderous psychopath.
Honestly. Who likes jazz. It’s horrific.
Four Women by Nina Simone is quite possibly the greatest song of all time
youve probably only heard white people jazz
@@gumshake689 nope. I’ve heard all sorts of Jazz. Can’t stand it. Self indulgent nonsense.
But different strokes for different folks. I’m sure some people like it.
Jazz is horrible
I absolutely hate jazz🤮
So with you on that!
It’s only for musicians; must be fun to play, but I don’t need to be there to hear it.
Jazz is fukn awful Blues is great though. Jazz is rubbish
Awful opinion. Four Women by Nina Simone is quite possible the greatest piece of music ever
still bad lol@@default3252