@@fortynights1513Him & Brown have had great Celtic careers and have etched their name into the franchise history with their playoff success even if they’ve not won it yet.
@@fortynights1513yup and that’s all it will be if he doesn’t win a ring. A solid career but can’t win, he’ll be in the Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, KD, Damien lillard, etc…. Convo. Also just the fact that him and his team are insanely overhyped and overrated. You always know one thing for sure, Tatum and his team will choke in the playoffs
He seems like a nice guy and all, but the issue is that he’s grossly overrated. Hate will come a player’s way if he gets overly glazed, no matter if it’s his fault or not
Tatum is not hated except by jealous ppl. Tatum has the #2 BEST selling NBA jersey. Tatum had the #2 highest fan votes in the final East All Stars voting. CLEARLY, lots of fans love him.
@@mozzibrip9379 The media likes click bait and causing a ruckus. Fans all over the world speak otherwise based on those jersey sales and the All Star fan votes!
@youreanoob6336 Celtics "history" has ppl buying legend's jerseys such as Larry Bird and Bill Walton. JT is popular in his own right as noted with him getting the 2nd highest fan votes for all star.
It's a very strange narrative since the only active "all-star" players that played in those playoffs where....Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Both Kyrie and Hayward was mostly hurt and Kemba was already cooked when he got to Boston. The third option for most of those playoff games was Horford and Smart. Very much NOT allstars.
People are using this stacked team so that when the Celtics loose … they be like “Tatum can’t even win with a stacked team”.. it’s like his haters , prob Luka fans, already created a narrative in their head….
@@Jonteponte71 This. People seem to act like Hayward didn't get injured on his first game as a Celtic, and never looked the same. Kyrie was useless in the playoffs. And like you said, Kemba was cooked. Had no knees left.
Tatum needs to win a ring to get respect. He needs one this year more than anything because if they don't win it with a stacked team like this then when are they ever gonna win it? Just like the 49ers in the NFL.
This. Andrew Wiggins clamped him and Jalen Brown had a better series by a substantial margin. Could even argue the Celtics had a more talented roster than the Warriors, which was arguably their weakest team out of their recent finals appearances (Curry plus one fringe all star in Wiggins who many believe didn’t deserve to be an All Star that season but was voted in by the fans as a starter).
But Lebron was worse in his first 2 finals and he didn’t get the hate like that. He was 23 during that warriors finals while others don’t get penalized for not even making the playoffs
@docgrowsfood the Celtics absolutely had a better overall team when you extend it to the bench but Golden State had the right players come up big for them and of course, the experience was invaluable.
Jayson Tatum and the Celtics are held to a much higher standard than the rest of the NBA. I mean who else has even been considered a choker at only 26 years old despite repeated success in the playoffs.
50 in game 7 , 46 in game 6 down 3-2 in milwaukee, beat the heat in game 7 winning eastern conference finals mvp. tatum has more big playoff games than anyone else in the league under 27 years of age @@FakeNews-y8i
I think if someone is as great as Tatum they hold another passion for the game and love for their idol. He was like 23 when he did it. You probably did a lot of weird shit when you were 23 also.
Because people don’t know what a good player is anymore. It’s always about counting stats. There aren’t many players who if you watch everyday your appreciation goes way up. Tatum is one. To me you watch him every day and how he carries himself he’s an absolute throwback.
I think also it’s just people like to follow a narrative and not make their own opinions and if you don’t follow they crowd and make your own opinion to them you’re a “casual”
@@Edd_LShore So you are stuck on counting stats? Like I said before what about winning? Jokic is in a class of his own but Luka to this point has largely done nothing but be a black hole offensively. The two way aspect is entirely lost on him. Tatum is when required the best defender on the floor and the number one scoring option. He’s been to 6 out of 8 ecf’s as the team leader. He’s put up historic close out games to beat people. Sga ain’t done nothing but put up a good season. They are not the same. He can dominate points, rebounds, and defense, plus provide you with consistent playmaking against a constant double team every year. Hes a machine at being on the court and playing, and he’s willing to sacrifice if it serves the team’s needs. Tatum is a beast.
@@michaeln3044let’s see if he can be efficient enough during this series cause it looks like brown wants it more than him. Tatum ain’t got that dogg in him yet from what I’m seeing
The thing I look forward to with a new Synthetic Sports video are the "but"t pictures lmao And every time I get to see a new angle of Kyle Lowry's majestic behind
He can’t crack into the mvp conversation, because there’s just better candidates (SGA, Jokic, Giannis, Luka) Edit: Luka vs Tatum is going crazy in the comments
Depends on what you value. Outside of Giannis and Embiid he is the best two way player in the league, and he is the best player on a team that might win 65 games. Does that win him the MVP maybe not but he definitely deserves consideration and has a legit case
C’s fans and most people don’t have him winning or think he should be winning they just think he should be mentioned or in the convo, I think he has a argument to at best be 3rd
@@Recurses per 75 pos he's averaging 27/8/5/1/1 on 61ts while playing all-defensive level ball don't get me wrong I think Luka, Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are having very year but Tatum have an argument
People hate on Tatum for a few reasons: 1. He is super skilled 2. He puts better numbers than most of their favorite players. 3. Mostly because of the Jersey he’s wearing.
@@noooodIe LOL show me a proof? All they do is win in a large Margin but they lost to crucial close games and Tatum misses all the shots! Its a fact! Try to watch Kendrick Perkins report and check Tatum's dead last in Clutch shots, he misses to much shot, overrated!
Edit:This comment has nothing to do with the MVP discussion idk what it is but it seems like he has to work wayy to hard to get the respect everyone else gets easily He had to sweep KD beat Giannis and Jimmy all in 1 playoff run just to get called a superstar and be mentioned in the top 10, whereas a guy like SGA averages 30 in a regular season and without winning anything significant gets thrown into top 5 convos
I think it's the inconsistency and not realising his best assets. Edit: Forgot to mention the Dawg/Aura factor. Some stars just have that indescribable, unquantifiable IT.
SGA leads his team consistently, a lot of the time tatum has had the best roster in the east how much of any of the celtics success is just tatum and how much of okc’s turnaround has been just shai improving
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776the inconsistency is my biggest problem. He disappears for some games in the playoffs and his team carries him, then he gets a ton of credit when he finally shows up.
People hate him cause he is so talented and skillful like no one can relate to him. And I think he is too good as a person and doesn't show so much flare, feels like he is hiding his emotions. Some people thought of him as inconsistent but his team is just really good that he is willing to share the spotlight every now and then.
@@Edd_LShore Lebron is so talented far from everyone, he is hated. MJ? is the best example of player that fans, media and the league wants. He talks, he entertains, full of drama and probably the first player that really globalized the game. He will be liked 99% cause he is marketable, and advertisements, media and league helps him, same as what he does to the league. So wait are you trying to find the next MJ, and compares Tatum with probably the GOAT?
@@Edd_LShoreTatum is a player that people have super high expectations on he’s a great player in the regular season but his efficiency deflects when playoff time comes. He doesn’t meet the standards that people place him on. And until he shows he has that dogg in him things could probably change
Correction: In his rookie year, Celtics under Stevens made it to ECF & 1 choke (Rozier & Brown choked) away from NBA Finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward as both injured before start of playoffs. That playoff starting 5 was Tatum / Brown / Horford / Morris / Rozier (both Rozier & Brown were avg below 17 ppg) & Tatum played like a star .
Its all about jealousy. Being in the playoffs since day 1, multiple ECF and a final. Had already broken records. JT a better player compared to their fav player at his age. Like cmon how do you hate a guy with a good personality, good teammate, doesn't take the media for dramas.
Spurs fan here and don't hate Tatum. He's a good player and doesn't cause any problems on/off the court. He's a good young man, well spoken, smart, etc. Good role model type. Not sure if a lot of folks hates him. But if they do, its probably due to his team being overrated at times (many ppl outside of New England don't like the Celtics) , team underachieving in the playoffs, his confidence, and his good looks. lol
@@Fonz0 He's not lying though. A big chunk of Celtics fans are ready to attack him, Brown or Smart of they play bad. Let's just say that not 100% of the fans really like him.
Celtics fan here and i don’t think Tatum has much hate. Most of the hate i’d say is from people who don’t like the celtics but even then i’d say Tatum is one of the more respected players in the league. He does get criticism when the Celtics get eliminated but i’d say last playoffs JB got much more of the criticism to the point he is overhated. Tatum is very respected among the fanbase for a celtics player
Eh Tatum gets a lot of hate, he’s held to a pretty insane standard compared to other superstars Like anytime he’s mentioned it’s immediately “but no rings” even though he just turned 26 (Lebron won his first at 27, MJ at 28 etc)
@@otisboy6714 I feel that’s just the effect of Tatum having so much success his whole career kind of like how Lebron was his early years. Most stars get unfairly criticized at a point just because of the toxic reality of sports media but I feel Tatum is much more liked and respected compared to his star counterparts like Embiid and Booker. I just don’t see much Tatum “hate” compared to other players but maybe i just haven’t seen that side of the community enough
@@otisboy6714The problem is that Kobe won his first at 21 years old with a great cast. If Tatum wants to be compared to Kobe, he is greatly underperforming because Celtics have a great roster. I know the comparison is unfair, but that's what happens when you obsess over your idol (Devin Booker is memed to death because of his relation to Kobe) Also, LeBron and MJ did not have their pivotal players before their rings (although LBJ did greatly underperform in 2011)
Ima premier Celtikkk hater, but him being on my team is the least of my issues. I really liked IT before that organization buried him like a dead puppy.
Man I love Jayson Tatum. Hate how everyone wants to remember his bad games but not any of his spectacular ones (yes in the playoffs). And besides that, one of the nicest and most humble nba players you’ll see. Hope him and JB get their rings this yr
the reason he's not mvp caliber rn is because his team would still be a solid playoff team without him. okc denver dallas and milwaukee would be either mid or miss the playoffs because of how much they rely on their mvp candidate's production
Im a celtics fan, I love tatum as a person, great dad great guy. On the court I wish he would drive more and not being taking comparable amouts of 3s to curry however hes still a top 10 player in the league rn. Also he is inconsistent in the playoffs some games but literally always shows up in elminination games n game 7s so I really dont care that much.
I like how Tatum literally turned 26 yesterday and people are giving him crap like he should have lead his team to a championship already. Even Jordan didn’t win until he was as 28, but I get it he had a given-up Kyrie, broken Hayward, JB Horford and Smart, how dare he not win a title 😡
@@nikobellic2515 do you forget that the celtics have had success? who’s new on this team from last year? kp and jrue holiday, (idr if derrick white was there last year) but it’s not like he doesn’t know this team lmao they clearly have chemistry
I don’t hate Tatum. He seems like a chill dude that keeps to himself. But I don’t think he should be mvp this season for three reasons: 1. His team is absolutely stacked. The warriors tried to prioritize Tatum defensively in the first quarter of the game yesterday and Jaylen Brown decided to cook them from 3. Nearly every starter on that roster was previously an all star or boarderline star. I’m not saying Tatum isn’t important piece to their roster, (I’m not blind I can clearly see that he is) I’m just saying that the Celtics would still be a playoff team without him. 2. If he should be mvp because he was the best player on the best team, why wasn’t that narrative used in the past few seasons? Giannis didn’t get an mvp last year, Booker didn’t in 2022, and Mitchell wasn’t even in the conversation in 2021. 3. Lastly, I just feel better players are carrying their respective teams with better stats. Simple as that. TLDR; Now before you Celtics fans say anything, I will say that if he does get the award this year I will not be mad. Leading any team to 60+ wins is a feat that should be awarded. I’m just saying that the team’s success feels more like a team effort than one specific individual’s.
giannis should have won mvp last year but games played was an issue, book didnt have media support tho he ended top5 if book was more popular no doubt he wins mvp over jokic who was a 6 seed, in mitchels case its because donos counting stats werent that impressive
i like tatum and i think the "boring" label is so dumb bc as a fan, i'd prefer my star to be scandal-free and a good person. BUT although i think he deserves mvp consideration, he's probably not even a top five player in the league (if joel was healthy, tatum wouldn't make all-nba first team this year now that it's positionless). the timberwolves are 1st in the west, but you don't see anthony edwards getting any mvp love, so while seeding matters, i think advanced stats matter even more.
I feel like most his haters are either Heat fans or just kids. Tatum is one of nicest and humblest guys in the league. At 26 he is top 5 and excels every year. He’s taken a step back with his stats because he’s putting a team first mentality to win the chip. Kids love to hate because it’s the meme of it.
I feel like the biggest case against Tatum as an MVP candidate is that he is playing with 4 other borderline all stars that take away counting stats and the “carried his team” narrative
For real like if he doesn’t have a bad game they’re probably still crushing some team if Luka Dončić doesn’t have a good game, the Mavericks don’t win it’s as simple as that
Funny thing is nobody was hyping D white as some allstar before coming to boston. Kp was considered an injury prone loser, jaylen was barely ranked as a top 30 player in the nba at times. None of these guys are top 10 players or future hofs most likley. Meanwhile bron kd steph kawhi all played with top 10 level talents and hofs 😂
@@natanaelmercado9167 Literally all the guys you mentioned biggest criticisms' of their career are that they had "superteams" to win except for Kawhi. There's a reason Steph didn't sniff another MVP after KD joined.
@@TrueGuardify but with that same argument, kp wasn't considered an all star playing with Luka, jrue played with giannis during his mvp run, AL is a decade removed from being an all star, D - white wasn't considered super anything before coming to Boston, and Jaylen has at best been 2 team every year. The knock is the talent around Tatum, but Tatum is a big reason that talent gets the shine it gets. They have a LOT of talent. We get to see it because Tatum can be a great teammate in a TEAM sport. Culture matters and is always dictated by your biggest star. If butler doesn't buy in, there is not heat culture. The lazy defense in Dallas survives because, well, Luka is lazy on defense. MJ was cut throat as hell about it on the bulls, Magic fixed laker culture during the Showtime. Luka is more than bad defense, he doesn't elevate his team mates.
@@JulianMurphy-zd2kp "Luka doesn't elevate his teamates". Spoken like someone who doesn't watch Mavs games and doesn't understand how utterly dogshit the team actually is outside of Luka and Kyrie. KP spent basically his entire stint with the Mavs injured or rehabbing from injury, and also him and Luka disliked each other. These 2 reasons are why he got traded away, Dallas literally traded for him because he was an all star. I still have no idea what your point is. Jrue didn't make an all star playing with Gannis, but Kyrie didn't make the all star this year playing with Luka, so that means Kyrie isn't an all-star tier player anymore? Silly arguement lol
Tatum has been the Celtics best player in every deep playoff run including conference finals and finals the Celtics have had since they drafted him BOTH Kyrie and and Hayward were injured the entire playoffs in 2018... Tatum took lebron to game 7 of the conference finals ... As a 19 year old rookie... The next season was the one Kyrie single handedly sabatoged the entire Celtics team and the celtics lost in the second round of the playoffs... Kyrie would be gone very soon after this series loss to the bucks and Hayward would from this point be a shell of his former self as an overall player... Constantly getting injured to the point where Celtics fans were completely numb upon hearing Hayward was injured by his 3rd season... So the celtics iteration of the team now is completely different from the team Tatum came into or was even surrounded with his first couple of seasons Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, kemba, Marcus smart, terry rozier have all come and gone during jaylen and jaysons time in Boston. Even guys like isaih Thomas who were part of the whole culture of the Celtics and it permeated for years after thomas left and now its a completely different vibe/team/atmosphere... Tatum was the best player in the 2018 playoffs... Second season jaylen brown was Tatum's best teammate and al horford was his second best teammate... Kyrie and Hayward were both i injured for the entire duration of the 2018 playoffs... TATUM IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY... Had a "super team" or anything close to it 2020.. AGAIN... The Celtics best players were Tatum and brown... Marcus smart, now that he shot 29% from 3 instead of like 25%... Was now Jayson Tatums best teammate besides jaylen brown THAT was not even close to a superteam Im not going to break down every season... All im going to say is Tatum and brown have been winning WAY before they should have been... nd casuals.. instead of realizing the accomplishment it is to have your best player be 23 and second best 24 and make it to the finals... Casual dikheds use the fact that they didn't bsat the warriors... A literal dynasty... At 23... And 24.. Tatum LITERALLY had a fractured left wrist on top of the experience gap... But ya act like tatum and brown losing the finals is zome sort if negative mark on their resume No one else at 23 in this era has even made a finals as their teams best player... But ya... Talk shit about the one player that did
I don‘t hate Tatum, don’t even dislike him. He is just a nothing Player to me. He plays at a high level no doubt, but he just lacks that natural Charisma of people like Giannis. Even Joker is „cooler“ to me because of his dry humor and humble character.
Man’s a fantastic player, he’s a two way player to the nth degree, and clearly this season has been a season for the team more than an MVP season. Clearly it’s all or nothing this season, and he’s got that dog in him 100%
My problem with Tatum before even watching the video is that he has so much skill that he doesn't use. He could be an MVP of say he drove to the basket more or worked on his passing a bit. Instead, he chooses to come time and time again with trying to be like Kobe without being him taking jumper after jumper, which he's not amazing at. Tatum has the talent in and around him to be great and win, but he can't use it well. He's also just so inconsistent. He was doing terribly against the Sixers in that game 6, I think, but because he pulled his shit together, BARELY at the end, the NBA glazed him for the win.
As a suns fan Tatum is my favorite non suns player maybe it’s because him and booker have similar games but I just love his jumpshot also him postering lebron was special
Tatum doesn’t need a team built around him? But Luka does? My guy… Tatum doesn’t KNOW what its like to not have a well built team around. Luka pushed the Mavs to the Conference Finals with Brunson as his second best player before we even saw him as an All Star candidate. Tatum has never played for a team without a second All Star.
Then what the hell was the 2018 Playoffs then? Cuz mans had 2nd year Jaylen Brown and Rozier as his main guys and remember Kyrie and Hayward didnt play that playoffs btw and i dont remember those 2 being all stars and yet he brought Lebron James to a 7 game series in the Conf. Finals
Craziest part is Jayson Tatum is one of the most popular NBA players in the world with top 3 jersey sales in every region, NBA media in the US is the only people that hate him
@@CelticsNation the shoes/height came from 2018 so it may be inaccurate but his weight has been consistently listed as being between 205-210 so I don't know where you're pulling 220 from
As a Celtics fan whose watched all the C's games this year Tatum has been awesome. He hasn't performed well in a couple games but has mostly been clutch. I've noticed he's stopped taking so many pull up 3's with 15+ on the shot clock and is more likely to drive for 2 or kick it back out. (It was painful to see so many missed pull up 3's early in the season) He's surrounded by greats and is still the best on the team. MVP or not I'm hoping this will be banner 18 with JT being a big reason for getting it ☘
He got drafted to a team that made a ECF a year before he got there, has played w/ an All Star (current or former) all but 1 season he's been in the NBA, finally got to a finals and wasn't the leading scorer, rebounder, or distrubtor on his team, and yet when you turn on ESPN you have to hear about this dude being a superstar having it better than any young guy in the NBA and not really winning anything despite having it laid out perfectly for him Devin Booker walked into a horrible franchise, went through the grind, made a final (actually played well in the finals), put up 27-5-5 all of 2 years ago on a team that had the best record in the NBA clear and you didn't hear people in the media talk about MVP. People question if he's even a superstar. Yet a guy like Tatum people look at you sideways if you say anything other than that.
Devin booker finished 4th in MVP voting behind Jokic, Embiid and Giannis who all had better seasons. He also finished that year on the All NBA First team. Bro has received his flower from the media and if he were to have similar team success besides losing in the second round of the play offs in back to back years he will get more.
You don’t watch the Celtics closely and it shows. It’s not his fault Danny Ainge was a great executive and had a successful rebuild. Celtics were trash since 2013, traded for IT at the end of the 2015 season and got lucky that he turned into an all star. They really weren’t meant to be contenders, overachievers is a better way to describe them. Their whole plan was to build around the Jays as soon as they drafted them to eventually give them the keys to the team. Yes he had all star teammates because Boston has been trying to contend in the middle of their rebuild/development process. It’s not his fault they lost in 2018 or 2019. 2020 was the first year they prolly should’ve made the finals but it was Tatum’s first year as an all star. 2021 was a hospital season. 2022 was a miracle season, they played crazy in the 2nd half of the season and somehow made the finals. He didn’t play well but at least he led a team at 24 to the finals. 2023 was the only failed season he’s had so far. Now he’s in his prime, if he don’t get the job done now the criticism is warranted. I didn’t even need to go in full detail to try and defend him, can just say to look at the ages of all time greats to see what age they won their first titles and it shows how impatient fans are today. The dude is getting harden treatment and is like 8 years younger it truly makes no sense.
Yes he choked in 2022 finals at freaking 23 years old and Kobe from 2004 with Shaq played with almost same stats with 2022 Tatum and 2011 Lebron was even worser than these 2 and I don't hear singl whining about these 2😂😂
@@ejp507 It's not his fault Danny Ainge constructed an amazing team, but it is his fault he's inconsistent af in the playoffs but is fortunate enough to get carried by his amazing team when he sucks. In the finals you can't do that. Hell, he's only made the finals once for this same reason despite being heavy favourites each year. Realistically this Celtics team should never be losing to the Heat if Tatum is a 'superstar' like Jokic, Luka, Giannis. It's fine if 'he's young' or 'not ready' but truthfully it's stupid that the Celtics would win the championship for the last 3 years if Luka was on the squad instead of Tatum, yet people still wanna argue that Tatum is better than Luka (who is also younger than Tatum and hasn't hit his 'peak' either), when as you said yourself, it's mostly because he's the beneficiary of amazing roster construction.
People hate the Lakers and Celtics because the media loves them and most of the hate comes from that opposed to anything a player does. Basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irelevant and those teams being in the mix ruins the sport because the media actively starts cheerleading them and talking about the 80s. Its why a big percentage of the basketball community turned on LeBron after he left Cleveland.
I'd say that people were turning on LeBron before then. Btw, basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irrelevant? So basketball is bad right now because the Celtics are killing it?
we don't "hate" him........we're just tired of the Boston media..... this is how it works: if a Boston player is good, the media will push him for all-star....if he's all-star level, the media will push him for all-nba....if he's all-nba level, the media will push him for MVP....and if he's MVP-level, the media will push him HoF......... and this has been going on basically since the foundation of ESPN..... jayson's fine......he tends to disappear in most big games, and his defense is overrated....but he's young, and he hasn't won anything.....but frankly, videos like this are why we are tired of you, not to mention all the ESPN promotion.......
As a Heat fan I don't hate Tatum as a person or the player.... I'm admired his greatness of his game. The problem is of course everyone hates Boston not just us everybody, and anybody who was a Boston Celtics fan from their own City well there's there's one in front of you Boston has been how should I said the annoyance team of all in the NBA family.
@philipaguila6202 what do I have to lie it's the truth... anybody that cares about their team would tell you the same thing. They respect the players but they just don't respect the team and you know it!
To win MVP on a stacked team, you gotta be as clear of a #1 as, for example, Heat Lebron. And he's just not like that. The "If you take him out of the team" argument is also not that great compared to other candidates. The Celtics might still get home court in the first round without him. (I'm writing this before watching so they might bring up these points)
If he won MVP this year, it’d be looked at like Nash 05. A really good season by a player on a stacked roster where record was the argument. I would say others have better cases.
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776True, granted I’ve heard the Suns had injuries in 04, and with a similar team outside of Stephon Marbury they won 44 games or so in 03. Still a good improvement either way.
Curry won mvp averaging 24 ppg cuz his team was the best despite other players averaging better numbers. Nash averaged 16 ppg lol you could even add D rose mvp who won cuz of his teams success lol tatum is also 13-2 without kp and 5-0 without brown this year @@fortynights1513
Tatum is top something player in the league atm. Like it or not, he's a star. And i dont mind star players getting star treatment and notoriety. What i do mind is the way people seem to always move the goalpost whenever it comes to judging him. We never really have a fair judgement in almost every Tatum conversation because it feels like he always has ultra-convoluted caveats to be taken seriously as a superstar. He always needs to do X,Y,Z and be this and that before finally he can achieve that superstar status, while other comparable players tend to be given more leeways. For instance, Devin Booker who had played with two Top 75 NBA All-Time players in Chris Paul and Kevin Durant in his career yet still with 0 ring but most people still have him over Tatum despite the fact Booker is a choker in the playoffs (something which Tatum always has an allegation for). Embiid who never made it past second round, who has always been a dropper in the postseason especially in elimination game, one MVP season and by the way people talk about him, he's now on Shaq level of greatness without having to prove anything anymore. Jimmy, who never won a ring, and lost to Tatum when he and his Miami Heat were clear favorites in elimination game, people still easily put him in current top 5-10 players over Tatum. This will be even more legitimate once Luka finally had a good team around him yet even with that he still underachieves, and people still baby him.
I hate the celtics, I hate all northwest sports, so take this however you want. First, anyone who has Devin Booker or Jimmy Butler over Jayson Tatum is insane. That being said, this idea that Tatum has a different measuring stick is true, but its fair given the context of his career. Tatum has never had a season without another all-star on the team, and has had a top 5 supporting cast every year of his career. Losing to the Warriors in the finals, could've happened to anyone, losing to the Miami Heat twice in the ECF when they're running Jimmy Butler and Bam as their two best players, that's a huge failure. Because of the situation he was drafted into, his expectations are higher, and they should be. It's only a problem because he has routinely failed to meet them. Nobody has ever expected the Mavs to make it past the second round, if they made it, it was a great season because Luka's supporting casts have been awful, but he exceeded expectations when he carried to the WCF and single-handedly dismantled the defending WCF winners. Tatum is easily a top ten player, anyone who says otherwise is delusional, but part of being a superstar is rising to the occasion in big moments, which means winning, and his team losses when they shouldn't too much. He has never been the underdog, which is fine if you win when you're supposed to, but is a problem when you don't. I will also say, Tatum isn't the only player who deals with this, look at Embiid for example. Sure, Embiid won a pity MVP last year, but nobody outside of the media and 76ers fans actually respects him that much because he has been unable to meet expectations when it counts, same goes for prime Harden. Tatum is certainly talented enough to be considered a superstar and a top 5 player, and when he inevitably leads the Celtics to a chip, he will get his flowers. It went the same way for Lebron.
No one has Booker over Tatum. Stop making up lies … other than that I agree with everything.. and Booker and KD are playing full season together unlike last season
People hate on Jayson Tatum because he couldn't lead the team to a championship and yet they don't complain about Stephen Curry, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant having a super talented team before winning their first championship? Basketball isn't a sport where you play alone.
You can change your name to Lilliard Sports/Trailblazers Sports, If we do a challenge to drink when you hear Dame or the Portland you will going to be drunk after their 3 videos
Yeah Synthetic Sports is alright but it reads like an SI column with graphics. These boys have excellent sports IQ I’d love to see them drill down and get a little Thinking Basketball on this bitch. But it’s their channel, they have other stuff going on, just glad for the content fellas.
Ive seen so many people say hes a playoff choker or doesnt show up in the playoffs, and I think that just exposes how many of us are casuals and dont pay attention to the league until the Finals. Tatum has gone to like 20 playoff series and was only bad in 1, which just so happened to be the biggest series of his career
In the whole postseason last year there was ONE GAME where Tatum played like a superstar from start to finish and that was when he dropped 51 in a game 7. Every other game it was 20, 14, 13, 7, maybe a 30.
Bruh every series against good teams he plays he's hot/cold. Great game followed by a dogshit game. You don't see that in Jokic, Giannis, Luka, they dominate every game they play. Tatum's fortunate that his team is still strong af and can carry him when he's playing like kaka lol. By the end of the series the stats will look better than he actually performed if has 3-4 great or amazing games and 3 meh games.
@@Oscar-b5b4x he had bad games yes but the every other game being bad is a little over blown. Against Atlanta 25,29,29,31,19,30 so one bad game there. Philly 39,7,27,24,36,19,51 2 bad games. Miami 30,34,14,33,21,31,14 again 2 bad games where if it wasn't game 7 he probably doesn't return in that game with the ankle injury. 27 average in 20 playoff games last year is still pretty elite.
Jokic and such wont have inneficent games like Tatum on random, which is why theyre better, but whenever Tatum isnt putting up points he's usually faciliating at a great level and playing elite defense@@TrueGuardify
@@jammer9941 I guess we're just gonna ignore his 14.3%, 45%, 40% and 23.8% FG in those games because his ppg are decent, as if he didn't shoot his team out of the games they lost. If you chuck up like 10 threes a game, you're gonna hit at least some of them. Add in a bunch of FT and a few drives and you've gotten 20+ points while shooting terribly and causing your team to lose, nevermind his momentum killing turnovers.
as a Tatum hater, I'll tell you.. he's NOT the best player on the Celtics, yet the media pushes for him to be the MVP and "face of the league" all because his team is OP... and bro had the audacity to say he's the best player in the league in an interview, like bro, ur not even the best player on ur team on a given night
Bruh.. so the guy who leads his team in pts, trbs, and second in assists while leading them in nearly all advanced stats is not their best player? Don't get me wrong, he has a LOT of help. But he is certainly their best player. Also, a guy who has made two straight all nba first teams said he's the best player in the league? You seriously think that guys such as Tatum (who let me be clear, I don't believe is the best in the league) and shai and those caliber guys don't have the mentality that they're the best? What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, that guys better then me" That's ridiculous!
There is no argument for Tatum mvp. His per game stats are worse than any other top 4 candidate, his advanced stats are way worse, his efficiency is also worse... His mvp case is just a media invention
@@KalenAlmeida 15 years ago you didn't have like 5 players averaging 30+ points 9-10 assists and/or rebounds per game, so it's not the same comparison,
A lot of NBA greats didn't have success at his age because they lacked a good supporting cast. This man had hella help from day one, this is not a valid excuse
There are just simply way better players in the league than Tatum and he is getting criticized because he has arguably the most talented team in the league the past few seasons and always shrinks in big moments. He’s an amazing player but there are levels for a reason
The narrative that he shrinks in big moments is nonsense. He's the reason they knocked out Philly last year. He's the reason they they made the finals in 2022. To say someone at such a young age is a bona fide playoff choker is just hard to believe when someone like Embiid who has had significantly worse playoff performance still gets mentioned in the MVP race.
@@Mirage475 Embiid is a regular season beast but most people agree he only won the MVP award last year out of pity. Besides, Embiid is like you said a significanrtly worse playoff performer and played like shit for all but 1 game in the Celtics series. Honestly if Tatum played as well as you say that series would've been easy. It went to 7 games because of how inconsistent Tatum was. Tatum can be inconsistent af and still win games because of how good his team is, and then when he has an amazing game like that game 7 of the series he's hailed as a superstar by people like you. When realistically that Phily team played so shit (and was put on the back of Harden for most of the series) that it honestly should never have gone to 7 games. They had no business losing to the Miami Heat either, but as I said, Tatum is inconsistent af in the playoffs. In the regular season this is fine because his team is loaded and the Celtics will still beat most teams if Tatum has a mid-game but this doesn't work in the playoffs against better teams over a series.
@@TrueGuardify it’s funny you mention the team can cover for Tatums inconsistency, because the longest issue was the points generate when he was off the court dropped off a cliff until this season. Game 7 against Miami let’s be real if he hadn’t sprained his ankle they would’ve won. His team let him down. Not that it’s an excuse, but his consistency is something I’m less worried about this season since he posts up more. But we will see
@@Mirage475 Let's be real, that Celtics squad has no business even having to go 7 games against Miami if Jayson Tatum is actually a superstar. They are so much more talented, deep, and bigger in every way possible. The Celtics starting 5 is basically composed of all-nba and/or all-star players and somehow I still think the Celtics will find a way to not win this year because Tatum just isn't him lol. There's a reason guys like Jimmy Butler do better than Tatum in the playoffs even if Tatum is objectively a better player. Some people just have 'it', the superstar quality, which Tatum doesn't. Jimmy Butler is a weird case because he has 'it' even though he isn't really a superstar.
Don't hate him, I hate the Celtics bc people talk about them being the best team in the East for years despite never winning a ring. I more so hate their fans tbh
As a Kobe guy, it's not that I'm defensive of comparisons, it's that they need to be more than superficial. Tatum may play similar to Kobe, but his mentality is not even close. Unfortunately, what made Kobe who he was, was his mentality. I want Tatum to succeed, I want those who appreciate what Kobe gave us in his career to do well. The problem is Tatum draws too much attention to it and he isn't that guy. Kobe and Jordan were 1 of 1's. There are ways to honor your hero without drawing direct comparisons by trying to be them. Kobe's a high bar to be measured against. I think if he was just Jason Tatum and not pretend Kobe. he'd find less of an eye roll reaction amongst some fans. But I hope he finds more success, he seems like a decent guy.
people hate him because hes in conversations hes not meant to be in. he's also just the most privileged player in the league roster wise and has nothing to show for it because of his own doing.
@@fortynights1513 yes since he practically begged them to put him there. Just like Embiid. You ever wonder why no one hates SGA or Jokic compared to the above-mentioned 2?
Honestly, no one puts him in mvp conversations, straight up no one don’t know where your getting that from. He’s also a nice guy who doesn’t play dirty and really hasn’t done anything wrong. Yeah he’s underperformed at times in the playoffs but this man has it made to the conference finals 4 times, he has had success in the playoffs. Yes he was bad in the 2022 finals but honestly, other than that he’s been great in the playoffs. He also is very young only 26 years old. Honestly he shouldn’t be getting any hate. Dirk didn’t win a ring until he was 33 so there’s plenty of time for Tatum.
@StFigarlandGarling he literally has his teammates all vouching for him to be in the MVP and hes begging to be in it. His argument is literally "I dont have the stats but I have more wins so I should win". If I had to boil it down its that hes being pushed to be the one of the faces of the NBA way too hard when hes arguably one of the worst superstars in the league.
@@kalieden5493 “one of the worst superstars” bruh what does that even mean. I mean honestly I don’t see him getting pushed to the face of the league, people don’t actually even really talk about him much. It’s all about Jokic and Embiid, Shai, Luka, Giannis, Tatum kinda feels like he gets pushed to the side.
There’s only one correct answer, because he plays for the Boston Celtics. They are the black hat team of the nba. If he played for ANY other team besides the Celtics, they would be talking about him being an all time great already. Even if he wins a championship this year, they will still hate on him. If he wins 3 championships, they will hate on him.
Just by watching the games, it's evident that he's the cog that makes Boston turn. If Tatum doesn't play, all the other cogs grind to a halt. The kid could probably put up empty stats on a team without good teammates, but I believe his worth lies in his ability to bring out the best in the team. I'm not saying Boston wouldn't function without him, but his impact often exceeds what the average American sports fan obsessed with stats would tell you. Interestingly, many fans from countries where soccer is the dominant sport (a sport where fans are more accustomed to understanding a player's value beyond just numbers) highly value Tatum and see his worth as a team player in Boston. I can't speak for all countries, but at least in Spain, Mexico, and several countries in Latin America, I've noticed this.
Look at it this way. Kp brown white jrue are not even top 15 players in the nba. Tatum is not playing with another hof or top 10 talent. Its a great team but its only great because of tatums unselfishness and ability to take a step back to make things run smooth
@@natanaelmercado9167 Yeah he's only surrounded by an all-nba two-way guard in Brown, an all-star floor spacing 7'3 centre in KP, the best guard defender and solid two-way player in Jrue Holiday, who combined have like 8 all star appearances between them or some shit. Not to mention players like White and Al Horford are still solid pieces. This team is great because it's constructed amazingly and Tatum is also a great player. But he is not in the same tier as the top 5 in the League period, because anyone of Jokic, Giannis, Luka would destroy the East and win the championship each year if you substituted Tatum with them. This team would probably be a #2 seed in the East if you took Tatum off the roster completely which speaks volumes to how good it actually is.
@@TrueGuardify It's not that it's a bad team without him, he simply enhances a team more than it already is. If you were to swap Tatum for another player at the level of his teammates, you'd have a very good team of 5 great players, but those teams have come through the NBA many times and none have done what Boston is doing. I stick to what I said, for you guys, sports seem like a video game, you only see the player's stats and pull from that for everything. You think a team of geniuses would win everything, but sometimes that doesn't happen. As they say in the video, Tatum is a player you could throw into any team and he would adapt and improve it because his value lies in his ability to enhance a team and sometimes sacrifice stats, which seem like a religion now, in order to achieve a better overall game for the team.
Him texting Kobe's old cell# was super cringe. He's gotta win the Finals, or score 50 in a loss in game 7. He can't lose in less than 7 this year. And... he's gotta lose to Denver in the finals. If he loses it's gotta be only to Denver. All that, or nothing will change.
While losing in the finals to the clippers or someone else would hurt Tatum's case, losing to Denver would only cement Jokic further and prove Tatum is not at the superstar level.
People hate him because he can’t get it done with help that many All Time Greats can’t fathom. Give a young Lebron, MJ, or any other star that didn’t have that help early on that same opportunity and I guarantee that Boston would have more than 17 Banners. Tatum never rises above expectations, his greatest performances are all against teams that he should put away, that’s why I don’t see game 7 against Philly as a statement game but more of a desperation game.
"He has amazing/best supporting cast BUT..." I mean seriously how can you even say that with a straight face? You cant make that argument for him and then write off everyone else you mentioned just based on them alone while totally ignoring their support casts. Double standards right there He cant do it with one of the best supporting casts in a league for years and he thinks he should be mvp? If any of other players you mentioned had that kind of supporting cast they would have won ring already. Tatum is really good and legit seems like a good dude but he is one of those jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. And because he is really a media darling, all those talks and excuses about him really rub off plenty of people wrong.
Late but this is from someone I know. Apparently, they don't like Tatum cause of the way he doesn't make use of his size to takeover games and instead would rather use contested fade away jumpshots and three pointers. It's like, imagine if Lebron decided to just do jumpers instead of taking advantage of his size and speed to penetrate to the rim for an easy layup.
People can think what they want. He's a bucket. I honestly don't care who wins mvp. For he and the celtics it's all about getting over the hump. Get this core a ring. 🍀
I feel like Thursday when they play Denver is gonna be the game where it answers if Tatum should be in MVP conversations. Like not only does Tatum need to play as well, if not better than Jokic, but his team needs to win since the Nuggets won and broke their home streak last time.
He comes up small when it matters. Lost his balls in the Finals and ECFs the last two seasons when he had the better team. Now, this season it’s even more apparent the Celtics have the most talent. They are having a historic season bit lost to Denver twice because Tatum played like ass especially in the clutch. He will be destroyed if they don’t close the deal this season.
If Tatum wins a ring this year I think 60/70% of the hate/criticism he receives will go away
Agree
Even if he never does as the guy, he’s putting together a very solid career for himself.
@@fortynights1513Him & Brown have had great Celtic careers and have etched their name into the franchise history with their playoff success even if they’ve not won it yet.
@@fortynights1513yup and that’s all it will be if he doesn’t win a ring. A solid career but can’t win, he’ll be in the Chris Paul, Russel Westbrook, KD, Damien lillard, etc…. Convo. Also just the fact that him and his team are insanely overhyped and overrated. You always know one thing for sure, Tatum and his team will choke in the playoffs
Probably… but tbh if he wasn’t on the Celtics I’d like him a lot more
I genuinely don’t understand why Tatum gets as much hate as he does, he’s one of the nicest stars in the league
its not his attitude, its the way he ballhogs the ball in the 4th quarter
@@ratstar4102 bro shut up you sound dumb
@@ratstar4102tell me you haven’t watched a Celtics game lmfaoooo Tatum is the opposite of a ballhog I be yelling at him to get the ball and take over
He seems like a nice guy and all, but the issue is that he’s grossly overrated. Hate will come a player’s way if he gets overly glazed, no matter if it’s his fault or not
@@noooodIe real
Jason Tatum looks like a very friendly chipmunk
😂
This is the best description I didn’t know I needed 😅
Ain’t no way!!😂
@@HARTTG Hala Madrid!!! 🤍🏆⚪👑
Gone
A ring and a mvp the two arguably hardest things to win is the only thing stopping us from having him in hof conversations at 26
You could say that about literally every player younger than 26 lol
Tatum is not hated except by jealous ppl. Tatum has the #2 BEST selling NBA jersey. Tatum had the #2 highest fan votes in the final East All Stars voting. CLEARLY, lots of fans love him.
media wise tho ppl hate on him
@@mozzibrip9379the media dickrides him and puts him in conversations that he doesn’t belong in
@@mozzibrip9379 The media likes click bait and causing a ruckus. Fans all over the world speak otherwise based on those jersey sales and the All Star fan votes!
@@Robin-xt7yohe has #2 selling jersey because the celtics are a historic franchise with tons of fans
@youreanoob6336 Celtics "history" has ppl buying legend's jerseys such as Larry Bird and Bill Walton. JT is popular in his own right as noted with him getting the 2nd highest fan votes for all star.
Because the people in the MVP conversations are just better. Tatum is good, but just a tier below them.
why would you hate someone cause he isn't as good as others. Tatum gets lots of hate
@@storme6177 cuz his fans are annoying as hell and currently tatum is on a pitty mvp race like embiid did last year
This year I really don't know who should win mvp, Jokic, Giannis, Shai, Tatum, Luka... Ever since Embiid got hurt it's been an absolute tossup
@@southsouthsouthside yeah people like to balance love with hate I just think thats stupid
@@storme6177 It's not hate to say a guy isn't an MVP. It's just he's not an MVP.
I feel like people need to realize that those “stacked” teams Tatum were on weren’t as good as people thought.
Smart was the 3rd best player for them last 2 years 😂
It's a very strange narrative since the only active "all-star" players that played in those playoffs where....Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Both Kyrie and Hayward was mostly hurt and Kemba was already cooked when he got to Boston. The third option for most of those playoff games was Horford and Smart. Very much NOT allstars.
People are using this stacked team so that when the Celtics loose … they be like “Tatum can’t even win with a stacked team”.. it’s like his haters , prob Luka fans, already created a narrative in their head….
@@Jonteponte71 This. People seem to act like Hayward didn't get injured on his first game as a Celtic, and never looked the same. Kyrie was useless in the playoffs. And like you said, Kemba was cooked. Had no knees left.
They really blame tatum for everything just because celtics exec are being competent lol
Tatum needs to win a ring to get respect. He needs one this year more than anything because if they don't win it with a stacked team like this then when are they ever gonna win it? Just like the 49ers in the NFL.
Love your videos, brother, keep up the good work, I've been subbed to you for a while 🍻
The irony of only watching 2 things on UA-cam - vids on Celtics and TFTT... And dude has a comment on here. 😅
2022 final’s plain and simple made him look so bad it was the biggest stage where it was “his team” and he had like 22 ppg on like 35% shooting
What’s crazy is he shot like 45% from 3 meaning he shot like 20% from 2
This. Andrew Wiggins clamped him and Jalen Brown had a better series by a substantial margin. Could even argue the Celtics had a more talented roster than the Warriors, which was arguably their weakest team out of their recent finals appearances (Curry plus one fringe all star in Wiggins who many believe didn’t deserve to be an All Star that season but was voted in by the fans as a starter).
But Lebron was worse in his first 2 finals and he didn’t get the hate like that. He was 23 during that warriors finals while others don’t get penalized for not even making the playoffs
@docgrowsfood the Celtics absolutely had a better overall team when you extend it to the bench but Golden State had the right players come up big for them and of course, the experience was invaluable.
I actually thought GS was pretty even with the Celtics the biggest difference was Curry was an mvp level player and made those types of plays
the fact you guys don’t have more subscribers blows me away. every video has such high quality and are so entertaining to watch
THATS WHAT I"M SAYING!!!
Jayson Tatum and the Celtics are held to a much higher standard than the rest of the NBA. I mean who else has even been considered a choker at only 26 years old despite repeated success in the playoffs.
the joe borrow effect
LeBron, he might've been 27 though in 2011
LeBron James, Michael Jordan and Peyton Manning for starters.
LeBron kept getting hit with that label before 2011. People who harp on that *genuinely* make no sense.
50 in game 7 , 46 in game 6 down 3-2 in milwaukee, beat the heat in game 7 winning eastern conference finals mvp. tatum has more big playoff games than anyone else in the league under 27 years of age @@FakeNews-y8i
The Kobe text shit was really weird to me, seems like an odd guy
I always thought doing that telling the media about that was corny AF, no need to tell the media. Just keep the mamba mentality to yourself
aye, i definitely got the impression it was to attract attention
@@Bliu2thmaking it public was my problem. I love Kobe too, but dang. Definitely felt attention seeking.
I think if someone is as great as Tatum they hold another passion for the game and love for their idol. He was like 23 when he did it. You probably did a lot of weird shit when you were 23 also.
Same with Booker. They both fighting to be the "Next Kobe" title. It's cringe.
Because people don’t know what a good player is anymore. It’s always about counting stats. There aren’t many players who if you watch everyday your appreciation goes way up. Tatum is one. To me you watch him every day and how he carries himself he’s an absolute throwback.
I think also it’s just people like to follow a narrative and not make their own opinions and if you don’t follow they crowd and make your own opinion to them you’re a “casual”
@@Edd_LShore I mean you wanna play? I’m your huckleberry. You got actual points about Tatum bring them.
@@Edd_LShore So you are stuck on counting stats? Like I said before what about winning? Jokic is in a class of his own but Luka to this point has largely done nothing but be a black hole offensively. The two way aspect is entirely lost on him. Tatum is when required the best defender on the floor and the number one scoring option. He’s been to 6 out of 8 ecf’s as the team leader. He’s put up historic close out games to beat people. Sga ain’t done nothing but put up a good season. They are not the same. He can dominate points, rebounds, and defense, plus provide you with consistent playmaking against a constant double team every year. Hes a machine at being on the court and playing, and he’s willing to sacrifice if it serves the team’s needs. Tatum is a beast.
it's all about stats nowadays not about eye test i've been saying this and i'm not even a celtics fan but a bucks fan
@@michaeln3044let’s see if he can be efficient enough during this series cause it looks like brown wants it more than him. Tatum ain’t got that dogg in him yet from what I’m seeing
The thing I look forward to with a new Synthetic Sports video are the "but"t pictures lmao
And every time I get to see a new angle of Kyle Lowry's majestic behind
He can’t crack into the mvp conversation, because there’s just better candidates (SGA, Jokic, Giannis, Luka)
Edit: Luka vs Tatum is going crazy in the comments
Depends on what you value. Outside of Giannis and Embiid he is the best two way player in the league, and he is the best player on a team that might win 65 games. Does that win him the MVP maybe not but he definitely deserves consideration and has a legit case
C’s fans and most people don’t have him winning or think he should be winning they just think he should be mentioned or in the convo, I think he has a argument to at best be 3rd
@@cgs20 27 7 5 on good not great effiency shouldn't be in the mvp conversation
@@Recurses per 75 pos he's averaging 27/8/5/1/1 on 61ts while playing all-defensive level ball don't get me wrong I think Luka, Jokic, Embiid, and Giannis are having very year but Tatum have an argument
I say top five in the vote, but not the MVP.
People hate on Tatum for a few reasons:
1. He is super skilled
2. He puts better numbers than most of their favorite players.
3. Mostly because of the Jersey he’s wearing.
but the fact is he is not clutch
@@ratstar4102most points in a game 7 and has a statistically good clutch stats
@@lachlancoombs482 he is 1/20 its just like Marcus Smart shooting 3's percentage
@@ratstar4102what??? 1/20 from what bro? Tatum literally had the highest % of game winning or tying shots before this season LMFFAO
@@noooodIe LOL show me a proof? All they do is win in a large Margin but they lost to crucial close games and Tatum misses all the shots! Its a fact! Try to watch Kendrick Perkins report and check Tatum's dead last in Clutch shots, he misses to much shot, overrated!
Edit:This comment has nothing to do with the MVP discussion
idk what it is but it seems like he has to work wayy to hard to get the respect everyone else gets easily
He had to sweep KD beat Giannis and Jimmy all in 1 playoff run just to get called a superstar and be mentioned in the top 10, whereas a guy like SGA averages 30 in a regular season and without winning anything significant gets thrown into top 5 convos
I think it's the inconsistency and not realising his best assets.
Edit: Forgot to mention the Dawg/Aura factor. Some stars just have that indescribable, unquantifiable IT.
tbh that nba fans. They suck in general.
SGA leads his team consistently, a lot of the time tatum has had the best roster in the east how much of any of the celtics success is just tatum and how much of okc’s turnaround has been just shai improving
its because of system celtics history and their depth any allstar can thrive in that system
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776the inconsistency is my biggest problem. He disappears for some games in the playoffs and his team carries him, then he gets a ton of credit when he finally shows up.
People hate him cause he is so talented and skillful like no one can relate to him. And I think he is too good as a person and doesn't show so much flare, feels like he is hiding his emotions. Some people thought of him as inconsistent but his team is just really good that he is willing to share the spotlight every now and then.
@@Edd_LShore Lebron is so talented far from everyone, he is hated.
MJ? is the best example of player that fans, media and the league wants.
He talks, he entertains, full of drama and probably the first player that really globalized the game. He will be liked 99% cause he is marketable, and advertisements, media and league helps him, same as what he does to the league.
So wait are you trying to find the next MJ, and compares Tatum with probably the GOAT?
@@dxbgaming4813I gon lie bruh that take u just made was really bad bruh it’s definitely a better why niggas don’t mess with Tatum like that
@@Edd_LShoreTatum is a player that people have super high expectations on he’s a great player in the regular season but his efficiency deflects when playoff time comes. He doesn’t meet the standards that people place him on. And until he shows he has that dogg in him things could probably change
Correction: In his rookie year, Celtics under Stevens made it to ECF & 1 choke (Rozier & Brown choked) away from NBA Finals WITHOUT Kyrie & Hayward as both injured before start of playoffs. That playoff starting 5 was Tatum / Brown / Horford / Morris / Rozier (both Rozier & Brown were avg below 17 ppg) & Tatum played like a star .
@@Edd_LShorerozier definitely choked he went 0/10 from 3
Bro Tatum was the best player on the team his rookie year playoffs what are you smoking smh
because we live in a GEN Z society now where people are more impressed by 30 point triple doubles on losing teams vs WINNERS
Its all about jealousy. Being in the playoffs since day 1, multiple ECF and a final. Had already broken records. JT a better player compared to their fav player at his age.
Like cmon how do you hate a guy with a good personality, good teammate, doesn't take the media for dramas.
Spurs fan here and don't hate Tatum. He's a good player and doesn't cause any problems on/off the court. He's a good young man, well spoken, smart, etc. Good role model type.
Not sure if a lot of folks hates him. But if they do, its probably due to his team being overrated at times (many ppl outside of New England don't like the Celtics) , team underachieving in the playoffs, his confidence, and his good looks. lol
As a fan, most of the hate comes from other Celtics fans. Boston hates him for some reason.
@@joshuabryant9845you’re high lol
@@Fonz0 He's not lying though. A big chunk of Celtics fans are ready to attack him, Brown or Smart of they play bad. Let's just say that not 100% of the fans really like him.
Define smart. The word gets tossed around so much these days in different ways.
@@W81Researcher Not dumb. Intelligent. Bright.
What's your definition for smart?
The universal hate for boston sports across all major leagues needs to be studied
Celtics fan here and i don’t think Tatum has much hate. Most of the hate i’d say is from people who don’t like the celtics but even then i’d say Tatum is one of the more respected players in the league.
He does get criticism when the Celtics get eliminated but i’d say last playoffs JB got much more of the criticism to the point he is overhated. Tatum is very respected among the fanbase for a celtics player
Eh Tatum gets a lot of hate, he’s held to a pretty insane standard compared to other superstars
Like anytime he’s mentioned it’s immediately “but no rings” even though he just turned 26 (Lebron won his first at 27, MJ at 28 etc)
@@otisboy6714 I feel that’s just the effect of Tatum having so much success his whole career kind of like how Lebron was his early years. Most stars get unfairly criticized at a point just because of the toxic reality of sports media but I feel Tatum is much more liked and respected compared to his star counterparts like Embiid and Booker. I just don’t see much Tatum “hate” compared to other players but maybe i just haven’t seen that side of the community enough
@@otisboy6714The problem is that Kobe won his first at 21 years old with a great cast. If Tatum wants to be compared to Kobe, he is greatly underperforming because Celtics have a great roster. I know the comparison is unfair, but that's what happens when you obsess over your idol (Devin Booker is memed to death because of his relation to Kobe)
Also, LeBron and MJ did not have their pivotal players before their rings (although LBJ did greatly underperform in 2011)
Ima premier Celtikkk hater, but him being on my team is the least of my issues. I really liked IT before that organization buried him like a dead puppy.
Im a C's fan, but this is a great video. Very unbiased opinion, was very fresh to hear how unbiased u guys were
Crazy how after he won this year the criticism for him was massive
As a Kobe fan I had no idea he donned a lakers jersey. I fcking love him now.
Everyone knows that Tatum idolizes Kobe though lmao
Man I love Jayson Tatum. Hate how everyone wants to remember his bad games but not any of his spectacular ones (yes in the playoffs). And besides that, one of the nicest and most humble nba players you’ll see. Hope him and JB get their rings this yr
the reason he's not mvp caliber rn is because his team would still be a solid playoff team without him. okc denver dallas and milwaukee would be either mid or miss the playoffs because of how much they rely on their mvp candidate's production
Ur right, 2013 lebron didn’t deserve the mvp. Great take you silly silly boy
@@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956 Lol so you're comparing JT to 2013 Lebron now? Sounds even sillier
Im a celtics fan, I love tatum as a person, great dad great guy. On the court I wish he would drive more and not being taking comparable amouts of 3s to curry however hes still a top 10 player in the league rn. Also he is inconsistent in the playoffs some games but literally always shows up in elminination games n game 7s so I really dont care that much.
IVE NEVER SEEN THE TATUM LAKERS VIDEO AHHH FUCK WHY FUCK FUCK FUCK THAT HURT
As a Kobe fan, I find Tatum’s Kobe fandom endearing. He just needs to win to change the narrative. Nothing else.
It's really not
I like how Tatum literally turned 26 yesterday and people are giving him crap like he should have lead his team to a championship already. Even Jordan didn’t win until he was as 28, but I get it he had a given-up Kyrie, broken Hayward, JB Horford and Smart, how dare he not win a title 😡
give jordan this celtics team they would’ve won two years ago
Shit give Luka Dončić this team they would’ve won a championship by now
@@zachestine let Tatum have a chance with this team first before you start writing him off…
@@nikobellic2515 do you forget that the celtics have had success? who’s new on this team from last year? kp and jrue holiday, (idr if derrick white was there last year) but it’s not like he doesn’t know this team lmao they clearly have chemistry
I don’t hate Tatum. He seems like a chill dude that keeps to himself. But I don’t think he should be mvp this season for three reasons:
1. His team is absolutely stacked. The warriors tried to prioritize Tatum defensively in the first quarter of the game yesterday and Jaylen Brown decided to cook them from 3. Nearly every starter on that roster was previously an all star or boarderline star. I’m not saying Tatum isn’t important piece to their roster, (I’m not blind I can clearly see that he is) I’m just saying that the Celtics would still be a playoff team without him.
2. If he should be mvp because he was the best player on the best team, why wasn’t that narrative used in the past few seasons? Giannis didn’t get an mvp last year, Booker didn’t in 2022, and Mitchell wasn’t even in the conversation in 2021.
3. Lastly, I just feel better players are carrying their respective teams with better stats. Simple as that.
TLDR; Now before you Celtics fans say anything, I will say that if he does get the award this year I will not be mad. Leading any team to 60+ wins is a feat that should be awarded. I’m just saying that the team’s success feels more like a team effort than one specific individual’s.
giannis should have won mvp last year but games played was an issue, book didnt have media support tho he ended top5 if book was more popular no doubt he wins mvp over jokic who was a 6 seed, in mitchels case its because donos counting stats werent that impressive
Tatum doesnt have aura until he puts 3 fingers to the face and sends the kiss of death to your franchise in a elimination game in the playoffs
i like tatum and i think the "boring" label is so dumb bc as a fan, i'd prefer my star to be scandal-free and a good person. BUT although i think he deserves mvp consideration, he's probably not even a top five player in the league (if joel was healthy, tatum wouldn't make all-nba first team this year now that it's positionless). the timberwolves are 1st in the west, but you don't see anthony edwards getting any mvp love, so while seeding matters, i think advanced stats matter even more.
I feel like most his haters are either Heat fans or just kids. Tatum is one of nicest and humblest guys in the league. At 26 he is top 5 and excels every year. He’s taken a step back with his stats because he’s putting a team first mentality to win the chip. Kids love to hate because it’s the meme of it.
To me the Tatum haters are just as ridiculous as the Jokic “he’s so clearly dominant compared to the rest of the league” fans
I feel like the biggest case against Tatum as an MVP candidate is that he is playing with 4 other borderline all stars that take away counting stats and the “carried his team” narrative
For real like if he doesn’t have a bad game they’re probably still crushing some team if Luka Dončić doesn’t have a good game, the Mavericks don’t win it’s as simple as that
Funny thing is nobody was hyping D white as some allstar before coming to boston. Kp was considered an injury prone loser, jaylen was barely ranked as a top 30 player in the nba at times. None of these guys are top 10 players or future hofs most likley. Meanwhile bron kd steph kawhi all played with top 10 level talents and hofs 😂
@@natanaelmercado9167 Literally all the guys you mentioned biggest criticisms' of their career are that they had "superteams" to win except for Kawhi. There's a reason Steph didn't sniff another MVP after KD joined.
@@TrueGuardify but with that same argument, kp wasn't considered an all star playing with Luka, jrue played with giannis during his mvp run, AL is a decade removed from being an all star, D - white wasn't considered super anything before coming to Boston, and Jaylen has at best been 2 team every year. The knock is the talent around Tatum, but Tatum is a big reason that talent gets the shine it gets. They have a LOT of talent. We get to see it because Tatum can be a great teammate in a TEAM sport. Culture matters and is always dictated by your biggest star. If butler doesn't buy in, there is not heat culture. The lazy defense in Dallas survives because, well, Luka is lazy on defense. MJ was cut throat as hell about it on the bulls, Magic fixed laker culture during the Showtime. Luka is more than bad defense, he doesn't elevate his team mates.
@@JulianMurphy-zd2kp "Luka doesn't elevate his teamates". Spoken like someone who doesn't watch Mavs games and doesn't understand how utterly dogshit the team actually is outside of Luka and Kyrie.
KP spent basically his entire stint with the Mavs injured or rehabbing from injury, and also him and Luka disliked each other. These 2 reasons are why he got traded away, Dallas literally traded for him because he was an all star.
I still have no idea what your point is. Jrue didn't make an all star playing with Gannis, but Kyrie didn't make the all star this year playing with Luka, so that means Kyrie isn't an all-star tier player anymore? Silly arguement lol
Tatum has been the Celtics best player in every deep playoff run including conference finals and finals the Celtics have had since they drafted him
BOTH Kyrie and and Hayward were injured the entire playoffs in 2018...
Tatum took lebron to game 7 of the conference finals ... As a 19 year old rookie...
The next season was the one Kyrie single handedly sabatoged the entire Celtics team and the celtics lost in the second round of the playoffs...
Kyrie would be gone very soon after this series loss to the bucks and Hayward would from this point be a shell of his former self as an overall player... Constantly getting injured to the point where Celtics fans were completely numb upon hearing Hayward was injured by his 3rd season...
So the celtics iteration of the team now is completely different from the team Tatum came into or was even surrounded with his first couple of seasons
Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, kemba, Marcus smart, terry rozier have all come and gone during jaylen and jaysons time in Boston.
Even guys like isaih Thomas who were part of the whole culture of the Celtics and it permeated for years after thomas left and now its a completely different vibe/team/atmosphere...
Tatum was the best player in the 2018 playoffs...
Second season jaylen brown was Tatum's best teammate and al horford was his second best teammate...
Kyrie and Hayward were both i injured for the entire duration of the 2018 playoffs...
TATUM IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY...
Had a "super team" or anything close to it
2020.. AGAIN... The Celtics best players were Tatum and brown...
Marcus smart, now that he shot 29% from 3 instead of like 25%...
Was now Jayson Tatums best teammate besides jaylen brown
THAT was not even close to a superteam
Im not going to break down every season... All im going to say is Tatum and brown have been winning WAY before they should have been...
nd casuals.. instead of realizing the accomplishment it is to have your best player be 23 and second best 24 and make it to the finals...
Casual dikheds use the fact that they didn't bsat the warriors... A literal dynasty... At 23... And 24.. Tatum LITERALLY had a fractured left wrist on top of the experience gap...
But ya act like tatum and brown losing the finals is zome sort if negative mark on their resume
No one else at 23 in this era has even made a finals as their teams best player...
But ya... Talk shit about the one player that did
He's treated the same way
Jocic was being treated until he won a chip, the goalposts are still continually being moved
I don‘t hate Tatum, don’t even dislike him. He is just a nothing Player to me.
He plays at a high level no doubt, but he just lacks that natural Charisma of people like Giannis. Even Joker is „cooler“ to me because of his dry humor and humble character.
giannis and charisma are like oil and water
@@Renegade-kf8fp😂😂
Man’s a fantastic player, he’s a two way player to the nth degree, and clearly this season has been a season for the team more than an MVP season. Clearly it’s all or nothing this season, and he’s got that dog in him 100%
My problem with Tatum before even watching the video is that he has so much skill that he doesn't use. He could be an MVP of say he drove to the basket more or worked on his passing a bit. Instead, he chooses to come time and time again with trying to be like Kobe without being him taking jumper after jumper, which he's not amazing at. Tatum has the talent in and around him to be great and win, but he can't use it well. He's also just so inconsistent. He was doing terribly against the Sixers in that game 6, I think, but because he pulled his shit together, BARELY at the end, the NBA glazed him for the win.
As a suns fan Tatum is my favorite non suns player maybe it’s because him and booker have similar games but I just love his jumpshot also him postering lebron was special
Tatum doesn’t need a team built around him? But Luka does?
My guy… Tatum doesn’t KNOW what its like to not have a well built team around. Luka pushed the Mavs to the Conference Finals with Brunson as his second best player before we even saw him as an All Star candidate. Tatum has never played for a team without a second All Star.
Let them create their own narrative man far be it from us to bring up facts lol
Then what the hell was the 2018 Playoffs then? Cuz mans had 2nd year Jaylen Brown and Rozier as his main guys and remember Kyrie and Hayward didnt play that playoffs btw and i dont remember those 2 being all stars and yet he brought Lebron James to a 7 game series in the Conf. Finals
@@YukkiRuiiihe averaged 18 ppg lol
@@AlexGarcia-pk8kz so the hell does 18ppg explain? That he was shit? Lol
Ummm who fucking cares if Luka lead his team to the Confernce Finals 2 years ago? Wtf does that gave to do whats going on now?
Craziest part is Jayson Tatum is one of the most popular NBA players in the world with top 3 jersey sales in every region, NBA media in the US is the only people that hate him
in my opinion he could be in goat conversations if he stopped shooting and realized he was 6'10 and athletic
But he’s a career 38% 3 pt shooter so why would he stop
Tatum is 6'8 and weighs 210 how would shooting less benefit his game in any way?
@@jamalwalker04Tatum is not 6’8 in shoes that’s his real height. Also, he was 210 lbs when he came into the league he’s over 220 lbs now.
So he’s better at finishing?
@@CelticsNation the shoes/height came from 2018 so it may be inaccurate but his weight has been consistently listed as being between 205-210 so I don't know where you're pulling 220 from
As a Celtics fan whose watched all the C's games this year Tatum has been awesome. He hasn't performed well in a couple games but has mostly been clutch. I've noticed he's stopped taking so many pull up 3's with 15+ on the shot clock and is more likely to drive for 2 or kick it back out. (It was painful to see so many missed pull up 3's early in the season) He's surrounded by greats and is still the best on the team. MVP or not I'm hoping this will be banner 18 with JT being a big reason for getting it ☘
Because he's a good guy Christian
Did he wait til marriage? What color is his wife?
He got drafted to a team that made a ECF a year before he got there, has played w/ an All Star (current or former) all but 1 season he's been in the NBA, finally got to a finals and wasn't the leading scorer, rebounder, or distrubtor on his team, and yet when you turn on ESPN you have to hear about this dude being a superstar having it better than any young guy in the NBA and not really winning anything despite having it laid out perfectly for him
Devin Booker walked into a horrible franchise, went through the grind, made a final (actually played well in the finals), put up 27-5-5 all of 2 years ago on a team that had the best record in the NBA clear and you didn't hear people in the media talk about MVP. People question if he's even a superstar. Yet a guy like Tatum people look at you sideways if you say anything other than that.
Devin booker finished 4th in MVP voting behind Jokic, Embiid and Giannis who all had better seasons. He also finished that year on the All NBA First team. Bro has received his flower from the media and if he were to have similar team success besides losing in the second round of the play offs in back to back years he will get more.
All that typing and you can’t even realize that team that was #1 returned 4 players😂
You don’t watch the Celtics closely and it shows. It’s not his fault Danny Ainge was a great executive and had a successful rebuild. Celtics were trash since 2013, traded for IT at the end of the 2015 season and got lucky that he turned into an all star. They really weren’t meant to be contenders, overachievers is a better way to describe them. Their whole plan was to build around the Jays as soon as they drafted them to eventually give them the keys to the team. Yes he had all star teammates because Boston has been trying to contend in the middle of their rebuild/development process. It’s not his fault they lost in 2018 or 2019. 2020 was the first year they prolly should’ve made the finals but it was Tatum’s first year as an all star. 2021 was a hospital season. 2022 was a miracle season, they played crazy in the 2nd half of the season and somehow made the finals. He didn’t play well but at least he led a team at 24 to the finals. 2023 was the only failed season he’s had so far. Now he’s in his prime, if he don’t get the job done now the criticism is warranted. I didn’t even need to go in full detail to try and defend him, can just say to look at the ages of all time greats to see what age they won their first titles and it shows how impatient fans are today. The dude is getting harden treatment and is like 8 years younger it truly makes no sense.
Yes he choked in 2022 finals at freaking 23 years old and Kobe from 2004 with Shaq played with almost same stats with 2022 Tatum and 2011 Lebron was even worser than these 2 and I don't hear singl whining about these 2😂😂
@@ejp507 It's not his fault Danny Ainge constructed an amazing team, but it is his fault he's inconsistent af in the playoffs but is fortunate enough to get carried by his amazing team when he sucks. In the finals you can't do that. Hell, he's only made the finals once for this same reason despite being heavy favourites each year. Realistically this Celtics team should never be losing to the Heat if Tatum is a 'superstar' like Jokic, Luka, Giannis.
It's fine if 'he's young' or 'not ready' but truthfully it's stupid that the Celtics would win the championship for the last 3 years if Luka was on the squad instead of Tatum, yet people still wanna argue that Tatum is better than Luka (who is also younger than Tatum and hasn't hit his 'peak' either), when as you said yourself, it's mostly because he's the beneficiary of amazing roster construction.
He’s a genuine dude that’s role model was Kobe. If Tatum wanted to dress as Kobe and text him just let him, even though it’s oddly weird.
How is it weird to cope with a player’s death that he’s loved since he was a kid
for real tho, the level of Tatum hate is insane
People hate the Lakers and Celtics because the media loves them and most of the hate comes from that opposed to anything a player does. Basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irelevant and those teams being in the mix ruins the sport because the media actively starts cheerleading them and talking about the 80s. Its why a big percentage of the basketball community turned on LeBron after he left Cleveland.
I'd say that people were turning on LeBron before then. Btw, basketball is better when the Lakers and Celtics are irrelevant? So basketball is bad right now because the Celtics are killing it?
we don't "hate" him........we're just tired of the Boston media.....
this is how it works: if a Boston player is good, the media will push him for all-star....if he's all-star level, the media will push him for all-nba....if he's all-nba level, the media will push him for MVP....and if he's MVP-level, the media will push him HoF.........
and this has been going on basically since the foundation of ESPN.....
jayson's fine......he tends to disappear in most big games, and his defense is overrated....but he's young, and he hasn't won anything.....but frankly, videos like this are why we are tired of you, not to mention all the ESPN promotion.......
As a Heat fan I don't hate Tatum as a person or the player.... I'm admired his greatness of his game. The problem is of course everyone hates Boston not just us everybody, and anybody who was a Boston Celtics fan from their own City well there's there's one in front of you Boston has been how should I said the annoyance team of all in the NBA family.
Stop lying
@philipaguila6202 what do I have to lie it's the truth... anybody that cares about their team would tell you the same thing. They respect the players but they just don't respect the team and you know it!
To win MVP on a stacked team, you gotta be as clear of a #1 as, for example, Heat Lebron. And he's just not like that. The "If you take him out of the team" argument is also not that great compared to other candidates. The Celtics might still get home court in the first round without him.
(I'm writing this before watching so they might bring up these points)
If he won MVP this year, it’d be looked at like Nash 05.
A really good season by a player on a stacked roster where record was the argument.
I would say others have better cases.
@@fortynights1513 at least Nash that year was the most (maybe only) notable player added to the team for a 33 win improvement.
@@davidc.lalnelawma4776True, granted I’ve heard the Suns had injuries in 04, and with a similar team outside of Stephon Marbury they won 44 games or so in 03.
Still a good improvement either way.
Curry won mvp averaging 24 ppg cuz his team was the best despite other players averaging better numbers. Nash averaged 16 ppg lol you could even add D rose mvp who won cuz of his teams success lol tatum is also 13-2 without kp and 5-0 without brown this year @@fortynights1513
Tatum is top something player in the league atm. Like it or not, he's a star. And i dont mind star players getting star treatment and notoriety. What i do mind is the way people seem to always move the goalpost whenever it comes to judging him. We never really have a fair judgement in almost every Tatum conversation because it feels like he always has ultra-convoluted caveats to be taken seriously as a superstar. He always needs to do X,Y,Z and be this and that before finally he can achieve that superstar status, while other comparable players tend to be given more leeways. For instance, Devin Booker who had played with two Top 75 NBA All-Time players in Chris Paul and Kevin Durant in his career yet still with 0 ring but most people still have him over Tatum despite the fact Booker is a choker in the playoffs (something which Tatum always has an allegation for). Embiid who never made it past second round, who has always been a dropper in the postseason especially in elimination game, one MVP season and by the way people talk about him, he's now on Shaq level of greatness without having to prove anything anymore. Jimmy, who never won a ring, and lost to Tatum when he and his Miami Heat were clear favorites in elimination game, people still easily put him in current top 5-10 players over Tatum. This will be even more legitimate once Luka finally had a good team around him yet even with that he still underachieves, and people still baby him.
I hate the celtics, I hate all northwest sports, so take this however you want. First, anyone who has Devin Booker or Jimmy Butler over Jayson Tatum is insane. That being said, this idea that Tatum has a different measuring stick is true, but its fair given the context of his career. Tatum has never had a season without another all-star on the team, and has had a top 5 supporting cast every year of his career. Losing to the Warriors in the finals, could've happened to anyone, losing to the Miami Heat twice in the ECF when they're running Jimmy Butler and Bam as their two best players, that's a huge failure. Because of the situation he was drafted into, his expectations are higher, and they should be. It's only a problem because he has routinely failed to meet them. Nobody has ever expected the Mavs to make it past the second round, if they made it, it was a great season because Luka's supporting casts have been awful, but he exceeded expectations when he carried to the WCF and single-handedly dismantled the defending WCF winners. Tatum is easily a top ten player, anyone who says otherwise is delusional, but part of being a superstar is rising to the occasion in big moments, which means winning, and his team losses when they shouldn't too much. He has never been the underdog, which is fine if you win when you're supposed to, but is a problem when you don't. I will also say, Tatum isn't the only player who deals with this, look at Embiid for example. Sure, Embiid won a pity MVP last year, but nobody outside of the media and 76ers fans actually respects him that much because he has been unable to meet expectations when it counts, same goes for prime Harden. Tatum is certainly talented enough to be considered a superstar and a top 5 player, and when he inevitably leads the Celtics to a chip, he will get his flowers. It went the same way for Lebron.
No one has Booker over Tatum. Stop making up lies … other than that I agree with everything.. and Booker and KD are playing full season together unlike last season
People hate on Jayson Tatum because he couldn't lead the team to a championship and yet they don't complain about Stephen Curry, Lebron James, or Kevin Durant having a super talented team before winning their first championship? Basketball isn't a sport where you play alone.
he makes a lot of points when they are already winning
His garbage time stats are wild💀
I don’t watch much Celtics but is the Warriors games last night a typical night for Tatum?
@@lorenzo6777yes
@@iz1801 their garbage time usually starts in the 3rd quarter
It’s called not letting the lead shrink
Til he does something note worthy, he will always get hated especially since he’s with Boston
You can change your name to Lilliard Sports/Trailblazers Sports, If we do a challenge to drink when you hear Dame or the Portland you will going to be drunk after their 3 videos
Of course, they gonna hate players who joins the Celtics.
Isn’t it obvious they don’t want them to win the championship.
This needs a deeper conversation than these reasons given in this video.
Yeah Synthetic Sports is alright but it reads like an SI column with graphics. These boys have excellent sports IQ I’d love to see them drill down and get a little Thinking Basketball on this bitch.
But it’s their channel, they have other stuff going on, just glad for the content fellas.
Ive seen so many people say hes a playoff choker or doesnt show up in the playoffs, and I think that just exposes how many of us are casuals and dont pay attention to the league until the Finals. Tatum has gone to like 20 playoff series and was only bad in 1, which just so happened to be the biggest series of his career
In the whole postseason last year there was ONE GAME where Tatum played like a superstar from start to finish and that was when he dropped 51 in a game 7. Every other game it was 20, 14, 13, 7, maybe a 30.
Bruh every series against good teams he plays he's hot/cold. Great game followed by a dogshit game. You don't see that in Jokic, Giannis, Luka, they dominate every game they play. Tatum's fortunate that his team is still strong af and can carry him when he's playing like kaka lol. By the end of the series the stats will look better than he actually performed if has 3-4 great or amazing games and 3 meh games.
@@Oscar-b5b4x he had bad games yes but the every other game being bad is a little over blown. Against Atlanta 25,29,29,31,19,30 so one bad game there. Philly 39,7,27,24,36,19,51 2 bad games. Miami 30,34,14,33,21,31,14 again 2 bad games where if it wasn't game 7 he probably doesn't return in that game with the ankle injury. 27 average in 20 playoff games last year is still pretty elite.
Jokic and such wont have inneficent games like Tatum on random, which is why theyre better, but whenever Tatum isnt putting up points he's usually faciliating at a great level and playing elite defense@@TrueGuardify
@@jammer9941 I guess we're just gonna ignore his 14.3%, 45%, 40% and 23.8% FG in those games because his ppg are decent, as if he didn't shoot his team out of the games they lost. If you chuck up like 10 threes a game, you're gonna hit at least some of them. Add in a bunch of FT and a few drives and you've gotten 20+ points while shooting terribly and causing your team to lose, nevermind his momentum killing turnovers.
bc he’s a boston celtic
This channel should have way more subs. Just stumbled on it and this is some quality shii.
because hes a celtic and everyone hates boston teams
as a Tatum hater, I'll tell you..
he's NOT the best player on the Celtics, yet the media pushes for him to be the MVP and "face of the league" all because his team is OP...
and bro had the audacity to say he's the best player in the league in an interview, like bro, ur not even the best player on ur team on a given night
Bruh.. so the guy who leads his team in pts, trbs, and second in assists while leading them in nearly all advanced stats is not their best player? Don't get me wrong, he has a LOT of help. But he is certainly their best player. Also, a guy who has made two straight all nba first teams said he's the best player in the league? You seriously think that guys such as Tatum (who let me be clear, I don't believe is the best in the league) and shai and those caliber guys don't have the mentality that they're the best? What do you expect them to say? "Yeah, that guys better then me" That's ridiculous!
He shoots too many 3s for his height/skill set and is way more of a fanboy of Kobe than he was to MJ
When did everybody start hating Jayson Tatum?
There is no argument for Tatum mvp. His per game stats are worse than any other top 4 candidate, his advanced stats are way worse, his efficiency is also worse... His mvp case is just a media invention
Would all-NBA be fair?
I agree but also 15 years ago he wouldve won it for being the best player on the best team and still putting up stats like that
@@fortynights1513 oh he es for sure the fifth guy so yeah, first team
@@KalenAlmeida 15 years ago you didn't have like 5 players averaging 30+ points 9-10 assists and/or rebounds per game, so it's not the same comparison,
A lot of NBA greats didn't have success at his age because they lacked a good supporting cast. This man had hella help from day one, this is not a valid excuse
As a Celtics fan there isn't any player in leauge I'd swap Tatum for, no exxagerationi
Put Jokic or Luka instead of Tatum on that 2022 Celtics team and they win the finals
There are just simply way better players in the league than Tatum and he is getting criticized because he has arguably the most talented team in the league the past few seasons and always shrinks in big moments. He’s an amazing player but there are levels for a reason
The narrative that he shrinks in big moments is nonsense. He's the reason they knocked out Philly last year. He's the reason they they made the finals in 2022. To say someone at such a young age is a bona fide playoff choker is just hard to believe when someone like Embiid who has had significantly worse playoff performance still gets mentioned in the MVP race.
@@Mirage475 Embiid is a regular season beast but most people agree he only won the MVP award last year out of pity. Besides, Embiid is like you said a significanrtly worse playoff performer and played like shit for all but 1 game in the Celtics series. Honestly if Tatum played as well as you say that series would've been easy. It went to 7 games because of how inconsistent Tatum was.
Tatum can be inconsistent af and still win games because of how good his team is, and then when he has an amazing game like that game 7 of the series he's hailed as a superstar by people like you. When realistically that Phily team played so shit (and was put on the back of Harden for most of the series) that it honestly should never have gone to 7 games. They had no business losing to the Miami Heat either, but as I said, Tatum is inconsistent af in the playoffs. In the regular season this is fine because his team is loaded and the Celtics will still beat most teams if Tatum has a mid-game but this doesn't work in the playoffs against better teams over a series.
@@TrueGuardify it’s funny you mention the team can cover for Tatums inconsistency, because the longest issue was the points generate when he was off the court dropped off a cliff until this season. Game 7 against Miami let’s be real if he hadn’t sprained his ankle they would’ve won. His team let him down. Not that it’s an excuse, but his consistency is something I’m less worried about this season since he posts up more. But we will see
@@Mirage475 Let's be real, that Celtics squad has no business even having to go 7 games against Miami if Jayson Tatum is actually a superstar. They are so much more talented, deep, and bigger in every way possible. The Celtics starting 5 is basically composed of all-nba and/or all-star players and somehow I still think the Celtics will find a way to not win this year because Tatum just isn't him lol.
There's a reason guys like Jimmy Butler do better than Tatum in the playoffs even if Tatum is objectively a better player. Some people just have 'it', the superstar quality, which Tatum doesn't. Jimmy Butler is a weird case because he has 'it' even though he isn't really a superstar.
people say tatum doesn’t have that “aura”. he has a quiet confidence which makes ppl uncomfortable. and he’s pretty shy.
Boston fans that’s all I must say also I need the pavers to pull a insane playoff run off this year so I can still run my pascal siakam propaganda
As A Bostonian, i can really say that people are just mad we have a MVP on our team
Don't hate him, I hate the Celtics bc people talk about them being the best team in the East for years despite never winning a ring. I more so hate their fans tbh
I too have an irrational hatred of the Celtics.
Tatum is absolutely better than Doncic
If he was he would have been won a chip
Buddy lost his only chance at a ring to Stephen Curry at the TD Garden. It's okay to lose, but not at home.
Saying Tatum is boring is nuts to me he's an iso scorer that can pull
As a Kobe guy, it's not that I'm defensive of comparisons, it's that they need to be more than superficial. Tatum may play similar to Kobe, but his mentality is not even close. Unfortunately, what made Kobe who he was, was his mentality. I want Tatum to succeed, I want those who appreciate what Kobe gave us in his career to do well. The problem is Tatum draws too much attention to it and he isn't that guy. Kobe and Jordan were 1 of 1's. There are ways to honor your hero without drawing direct comparisons by trying to be them. Kobe's a high bar to be measured against. I think if he was just Jason Tatum and not pretend Kobe. he'd find less of an eye roll reaction amongst some fans. But I hope he finds more success, he seems like a decent guy.
To think Taytum only 19 he winning at least one ring in 6 years
Tatum my guy! Banner number 18 here we come!
Tatum doesnt have that Mamba Mentality yet. But I love him
people hate him because hes in conversations hes not meant to be in. he's also just the most privileged player in the league roster wise and has nothing to show for it because of his own doing.
Is it his fault that the media labeled him in the conversation?
@@fortynights1513 yes since he practically begged them to put him there. Just like Embiid.
You ever wonder why no one hates SGA or Jokic compared to the above-mentioned 2?
Honestly, no one puts him in mvp conversations, straight up no one don’t know where your getting that from. He’s also a nice guy who doesn’t play dirty and really hasn’t done anything wrong. Yeah he’s underperformed at times in the playoffs but this man has it made to the conference finals 4 times, he has had success in the playoffs. Yes he was bad in the 2022 finals but honestly, other than that he’s been great in the playoffs. He also is very young only 26 years old. Honestly he shouldn’t be getting any hate. Dirk didn’t win a ring until he was 33 so there’s plenty of time for Tatum.
@StFigarlandGarling he literally has his teammates all vouching for him to be in the MVP and hes begging to be in it. His argument is literally "I dont have the stats but I have more wins so I should win". If I had to boil it down its that hes being pushed to be the one of the faces of the NBA way too hard when hes arguably one of the worst superstars in the league.
@@kalieden5493 “one of the worst superstars” bruh what does that even mean. I mean honestly I don’t see him getting pushed to the face of the league, people don’t actually even really talk about him much. It’s all about Jokic and Embiid, Shai, Luka, Giannis, Tatum kinda feels like he gets pushed to the side.
There’s only one correct answer, because he plays for the Boston Celtics. They are the black hat team of the nba. If he played for ANY other team besides the Celtics, they would be talking about him being an all time great already. Even if he wins a championship this year, they will still hate on him. If he wins 3 championships, they will hate on him.
Black hat franchise*
I don't hate Tatum (definitely the Celtics), but it feels like he could be so much more. Like he has everything but only made the finals once?
Almost like basketball is a team game……….
ive heard nowhere that Tatum is disliked amongst the fans...idk where you got this idea
Just by watching the games, it's evident that he's the cog that makes Boston turn. If Tatum doesn't play, all the other cogs grind to a halt. The kid could probably put up empty stats on a team without good teammates, but I believe his worth lies in his ability to bring out the best in the team. I'm not saying Boston wouldn't function without him, but his impact often exceeds what the average American sports fan obsessed with stats would tell you. Interestingly, many fans from countries where soccer is the dominant sport (a sport where fans are more accustomed to understanding a player's value beyond just numbers) highly value Tatum and see his worth as a team player in Boston. I can't speak for all countries, but at least in Spain, Mexico, and several countries in Latin America, I've noticed this.
Look at it this way. Kp brown white jrue are not even top 15 players in the nba. Tatum is not playing with another hof or top 10 talent. Its a great team but its only great because of tatums unselfishness and ability to take a step back to make things run smooth
@@natanaelmercado9167 Yeah he's only surrounded by an all-nba two-way guard in Brown, an all-star floor spacing 7'3 centre in KP, the best guard defender and solid two-way player in Jrue Holiday, who combined have like 8 all star appearances between them or some shit. Not to mention players like White and Al Horford are still solid pieces.
This team is great because it's constructed amazingly and Tatum is also a great player. But he is not in the same tier as the top 5 in the League period, because anyone of Jokic, Giannis, Luka would destroy the East and win the championship each year if you substituted Tatum with them. This team would probably be a #2 seed in the East if you took Tatum off the roster completely which speaks volumes to how good it actually is.
@@TrueGuardifyit more so speaks to how bad the east is this year. One of the weakest eastern conferences in a while
@@TrueGuardify It's not that it's a bad team without him, he simply enhances a team more than it already is. If you were to swap Tatum for another player at the level of his teammates, you'd have a very good team of 5 great players, but those teams have come through the NBA many times and none have done what Boston is doing. I stick to what I said, for you guys, sports seem like a video game, you only see the player's stats and pull from that for everything. You think a team of geniuses would win everything, but sometimes that doesn't happen. As they say in the video, Tatum is a player you could throw into any team and he would adapt and improve it because his value lies in his ability to enhance a team and sometimes sacrifice stats, which seem like a religion now, in order to achieve a better overall game for the team.
@@brodyvaughn1260 Agreed that is also part of it.
Him texting Kobe's old cell# was super cringe. He's gotta win the Finals, or score 50 in a loss in game 7. He can't lose in less than 7 this year. And... he's gotta lose to Denver in the finals. If he loses it's gotta be only to Denver.
All that, or nothing will change.
While losing in the finals to the clippers or someone else would hurt Tatum's case, losing to Denver would only cement Jokic further and prove Tatum is not at the superstar level.
Went from playing for Duke to playing for Boston. That'll get you hated in warp speed.
People hate him because he can’t get it done with help that many All Time Greats can’t fathom. Give a young Lebron, MJ, or any other star that didn’t have that help early on that same opportunity and I guarantee that Boston would have more than 17 Banners. Tatum never rises above expectations, his greatest performances are all against teams that he should put away, that’s why I don’t see game 7 against Philly as a statement game but more of a desperation game.
"He has amazing/best supporting cast BUT..." I mean seriously how can you even say that with a straight face? You cant make that argument for him and then write off everyone else you mentioned just based on them alone while totally ignoring their support casts. Double standards right there He cant do it with one of the best supporting casts in a league for years and he thinks he should be mvp? If any of other players you mentioned had that kind of supporting cast they would have won ring already.
Tatum is really good and legit seems like a good dude but he is one of those jack of all trades, master of none kind of player. And because he is really a media darling, all those talks and excuses about him really rub off plenty of people wrong.
Late but this is from someone I know. Apparently, they don't like Tatum cause of the way he doesn't make use of his size to takeover games and instead would rather use contested fade away jumpshots and three pointers. It's like, imagine if Lebron decided to just do jumpers instead of taking advantage of his size and speed to penetrate to the rim for an easy layup.
People can think what they want. He's a bucket. I honestly don't care who wins mvp. For he and the celtics it's all about getting over the hump. Get this core a ring. 🍀
I feel like Thursday when they play Denver is gonna be the game where it answers if Tatum should be in MVP conversations. Like not only does Tatum need to play as well, if not better than Jokic, but his team needs to win since the Nuggets won and broke their home streak last time.
He comes up small when it matters. Lost his balls in the Finals and ECFs the last two seasons when he had the better team. Now, this season it’s even more apparent the Celtics have the most talent. They are having a historic season bit lost to Denver twice because Tatum played like ass especially in the clutch. He will be destroyed if they don’t close the deal this season.
2:20 that lady was right tho