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Addam is an epitome of loyalty. I kinda see people seeing him as the most likable person in HOTD. His brother Alyn will become a badass in the later part. I wish that HOTD will not cut the wild dragons Grey Ghost and Cannibal as they were not claimed.
Daemon mentioned "wild dragons" in ep 10 so I hope that's not the last we hear of them. Vhagars size is hard enough to comphrend, but Cannibals gotta be at least twice her size. It would be wicked to see.
Addam Velaryon was loyal till the end. Well we may never know what his final conversation was with Corlys, I know that Corlys was proud of his "grandson" and that Addam, had he lived, would have been a Great Velaryon. He would rule the skies whilst his brother ruled the seas.
Honestly, he was truly loyal to the end, though I wish that it wasn't in the manner it was. The deaths of the Dragons and their riders at Tumbleton was a disaster by all accounts. The 2nd Battle of Tumbleton was only made worse by the arrival of Addam who ensured the blood of the dragon was greatly spilled.
I think Adam and Alyn are Corlys sons. The reason for that is because Adam and Jaecaerys were born during the same year. I think maybe Corlys knew Laenor was gay and he knew the child Rhaenyra was not Laenor's so he need some...."back up plan" to secure his bloodline.
I personally take it as fact there Corlys sons, and I also think he knew that Rhaenyra’s sons were strongs hence why he was so carefully to protect Adam and Alyn
@@WorldOfWesteros then how are the kids dragon seeds, only reason laenor and his daughter was because their mother was the queen who never was, I just curious I haven’t read it so just want to clarify
@@haroldbrown893 their father is the half Targaryen dragonrider, Laenor Velaryon, and their grandmother was Princess Rhaenys Targaryen, who also rides a dragon
It is highly possible, but it very much would depend on his direct ancestors, it is possible it could skip generations occasionally, but the fact Addam was a rider make it much more likely Corlys could have been one
I was thinking the same thing the only thing I can come up with is that Adam mother is a dragonseed because I doubt Corlys can Tame a dragon because his grandmother was a Massey and we don’t know who is mother. Or maybe his own mother was a dragonseed
I’ve been waiting YEARS for them to adapt this story, I know it’s crazy but when they start casting for season 2 (because we KNOW it’s a GO). I’m most certainly auditioning for the role of “Adam of Hull” 🙏🏽 I think I can bring something. And don’t you think I can be Corly’s bastard son???😂😬💕🙏🏽
I'd love to see a version of fire and blood just from his POV. Sadly i don't think we will see him in house of the dragon, at least not in any meaningful way
Addam was a real hero, he alone joined an army of loyalists and put them in march, he was really the general the blacks needed so desperetly in the dance. it's a shame that in this world, heroes die early
Honestly I think laenor is their father the reason that Corlys didn’t claim them earlier was to not disrespect Rhaenyras son as Adam if legitimate would displace lucerys and Joffrey as heirs to driftmark and with rhaenys and lucerys dead and rhaenyra in need for dragons it was a good opportunity to bring up new heirs. Though Laenor just being gay instead of bisexual also makes sense and looks that’s the way they’re going with in the show and corlys could also be the father who knows
The show will probably confirm that they're Corlys' kids, especially after making such a big plot point of Laenor being totally unable to consummate his marriage with Rhaenyra due to his sexuality, even with his back against the wall.
Ether they will be Corlys or they won’t confirm address it directly like the books. I don’t mind as long as the theory people have come up with that that in the show Addam will be Laenor in disguise doesn’t happen.
yeah but why would Rhaenerya turn on him so easily? I wonder how they'll tackle this in the show. Especially considering how doubtful it is that show Rhaenerya would have bias/distrust against bastards. Given how close she is to her own bastard sons. And unlike the books, theres no ambiguity that Leanor was not the father of her first 3 sons. good point, idk how they'll tackle this.
Adam HAS to be the son of Laenor. Laenor says "not for lack of trying ". Adam is a dragon rider. Alyn was lit on fire. I think Marilda was Corlys's idea. That he tried to turn Laenor straight. Alyn might be Corlys's son buy Addam wouldn't be able to ride a dragon if he wasn't the grandson of Rhaenys Targaryen. Alyn is definitely probably the bastard of Corlys after he failed to turn Laenor straight he slept with her too.
It’s still possible Adam’s mother was a dragon seed he could’ve inherited it from his mother not laenor his mother could’ve had Targaryen blood that’s the problem with sleeping with everyone so many had Targaryen and veleryon blood in them Adam could’ve been coryls and his mother had Targaryen blood ergo he can claim a dragon.
Did Corlys really think anyone would buy that his openly gay son fathered two children with some random common girl? It’s clear who the real daddy was lol
That what I love about it. It’s so obvious to most people yet the king just put his fingers in his ears abs refused to hear. I do wonder how obvious the shore will make it though
@@WorldOfWesteros since in the show Corlys is dark skinned and Laenor is light skinned, unless they change Marilda’s race (although afaik her skin tone is never mentioned nor relevant so I guess we’re all just assuming she’s white lol) or make Laenor not gay (I hope not) it’ll be pretty damn obvious who the real dad is
Rumors say that the actor cast as Adam is a black actor but with no white/silver wig, so how do you think he was able to prove he was of Valyrian descent ? Do you think it changes anything ? Maybe he’ll just tame the dragon in secret like Aemond did, looking forward to the action 🥳
Both bastards cannot be sons of the Sea Snake Corlys Verlaryon as he doesn't have the dragon rider seed. This seed comes from Rheanys, the Queen who never was. The sons are also not from Laenor who does have Dragon Rider seed but he was gay. In the show they are going for the Adam= Laenor theory. Hopefully it can be a beautiful redemption story where the father accepts and is proud of his son sexuality before he dies.
Actually Adam’s mother is a dragon seed herself so he could get the blood from her not coryls so it’s still highly possible coryls can be the father and Adam still claim a dragon because of his mother.
I know Corlys has some Targ in his blood but is it possible that Addam and Alyn are actually Laenor sons since they ride Dragons? The Dragon blood would've come from Laenor through his mother Princess Rhaenys.
I’m thinking they’ll make Addam and Laenor the same character and make Alyn his son or something. With the newest episode of HOTD it kind of seems likely.
Velaryons have a lot of Targaryen blood. And their mother might have Valyrian blood as well because valyrians had bastards with commoners left and right
@@jeff2x837 That would kind of ruin his character. Instead of a young guy trying to fix mistakes he didn't make you would have an old character dying after making alot of horrible decisions.
I don't take it as a given they are Corlys's like fire and blood suggests. They could very well still be Laenors and the Corlys angle is a double bluff. I do wonder if House Of The Dragon will give us a clear answer
THEORY: Adam is Laenor 😅😅😅😅😅😅 Alyn is Corlys' bastard that's why he could not ride a dragon but Adam having Rhaenys' blood simply claimed back Seasmoke. My theory is that Adam is using some sort of glamour so that he would not be recognized. He came back and pretended to be Corlys' bastard so that he can help his family. This is also probably why Corlys was persistent to have his bastards legitimized because Adam IS his legitimate heir.
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House Velaryon and Targaryen had been intermarrying gor generation by this stage so it's theoretically possible any member of House Velaryon could ride a dragon given the Targaryen DNA. But even if that's not the case, what most people point to is we really have no idea who Mirlinda Of Hull was or much of her background, so she could very well be a dragonseed herself which allows for Addam to ride a dragon. There is a large section of the fans who believe in the idea that in theory anyone with Valyrian DNA has the ability to bond and ride with a dragon, therefore there is maybe a huge population of people from places like Lys and Volantis that could maybe do it.
@@WorldOfWesteros That’s very interesting. Really loving the content by the way. Only discovered the channel a few days ago and I’ve already reached The Dance Of Dragons videos.
@@shayanbutt1449 the theory is that Corlys and rhaenyra did not fight over Adams loyalty but Corlys wanted to make peace with the greens and she cought him making plans behind her back. after the treason of the other dragon seeds rhaenyra's time on the throne became insecure and Corlys understood that but Rhaynera didn't.Adam(laenor) stayed loyal to Rhaynera.
I'm 50/50 on it to be honest. I think them being Corlys suits the story better but there are issues such as the dragon riding. I've seen some people say he could have ridden a dragon but never properly tried. It would really depend who is parents are as we know nothing of them. Another claim is Addam got the dragon riding from his mother, and that she could have been a dragonseed or be the offspring of one. A bit of a stretch though.
@@bensonfang1868 You say that as if gay men don't father children in our real world. I assume Adam is older than his "children with Rhanerya" so maybe in his youth he tried things out with a woman. It happens.
But the thing is I think The sea snake could have been able to ride a dragon because his family was valyrian so then maybe they were able to ride dragons
Wait I’m so confused about the Corlys rumor. If they’re able to take dragons they have to have Targaryen blood I thought. Which is why Laenor could fly sea smoke and Corlys or any Velaryon that came before Laenor and Laena didn’t have a dragon. Doesn’t the dragon seed Addam taming seasmoke discount all the rumors of the boys alleged grandsire being his true father?? Someone pls help
I think the idea most people go with is there mother was a dragonseed herself. There is also the idea that you don't necessarily have to have dragonblood to ride a dragon, as some of the other dragonseeds suggest. Another idea is there mother has Valyrian decent because her own parents were from the free cities. There are ways it can make sense, but it does take a bit of mental gymnastics and different interpretations
Depends on a few things namely there mothers race will have a impact, plus it depends if there Laenor or Corlys would probably impact there skin colour greatly. My guess is they will mostly likely be mixed race like Laenor at the least
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Addam is an epitome of loyalty. I kinda see people seeing him as the most likable person in HOTD. His brother Alyn will become a badass in the later part. I wish that HOTD will not cut the wild dragons Grey Ghost and Cannibal as they were not claimed.
I think he’s a very underrated character I think he will surprise people in house of the dragon
like rhaenys,daemon and corlys addam is a real badass and legend
@@adbylsh2756 but much more honorable and true.
Daemon mentioned "wild dragons" in ep 10 so I hope that's not the last we hear of them. Vhagars size is hard enough to comphrend, but Cannibals gotta be at least twice her size. It would be wicked to see.
They weren’t cut we just don’t see them. Daemon mentions wild and unclaimed dragons.
Addam Velaryon was loyal till the end. Well we may never know what his final conversation was with Corlys, I know that Corlys was proud of his "grandson" and that Addam, had he lived, would have been a Great Velaryon. He would rule the skies whilst his brother ruled the seas.
Very true. House Velaryon’s role in the main books could have been much bigger if Addam had lived
Sad but true
Honestly, he was truly loyal to the end, though I wish that it wasn't in the manner it was. The deaths of the Dragons and their riders at Tumbleton was a disaster by all accounts.
The 2nd Battle of Tumbleton was only made worse by the arrival of Addam who ensured the blood of the dragon was greatly spilled.
I think Adam and Alyn are Corlys sons. The reason for that is because Adam and Jaecaerys were born during the same year. I think maybe Corlys knew Laenor was gay and he knew the child Rhaenyra was not Laenor's so he need some...."back up plan" to secure his bloodline.
I personally take it as fact there Corlys sons, and I also think he knew that Rhaenyra’s sons were strongs hence why he was so carefully to protect Adam and Alyn
How are they dragon riders if they are related to Targaryen
@@WorldOfWesteros then how are the kids dragon seeds, only reason laenor and his daughter was because their mother was the queen who never was, I just curious I haven’t read it so just want to clarify
@@haroldbrown893 their father is the half Targaryen dragonrider, Laenor Velaryon, and their grandmother was Princess Rhaenys Targaryen, who also rides a dragon
@@zaturn9434 all valyrian had power to control dragon velayron just never got the chance because their had no power before doom of valyria
Addam’s heritage as corlys’s son makes Corlys capable of riding dragons
It is highly possible, but it very much would depend on his direct ancestors, it is possible it could skip generations occasionally, but the fact Addam was a rider make it much more likely Corlys could have been one
@@WorldOfWesteros Addams mother mouse is a dragon seed herself
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Wouldn't surprise me. But Velaryons are still Valyrians so, they can ride Dragons as well.
I was thinking the same thing the only thing I can come up with is that Adam mother is a dragonseed because I doubt Corlys can Tame a dragon because his grandmother was a Massey and we don’t know who is mother. Or maybe his own mother was a dragonseed
Probably anyone can bond with dragons who has valyrian blood or Laenor was drunk af in a brothel and didn't care who he fs 😂😂
4:43 ok, Grey Ghost is my new fav dragon. How can you not love that look?!!!
Seasmoke and Stormcloud look like that too
I’ve been waiting YEARS for them to adapt this story, I know it’s crazy but when they start casting for season 2 (because we KNOW it’s a GO). I’m most certainly auditioning for the role of “Adam of Hull” 🙏🏽 I think I can bring something. And don’t you think I can be Corly’s bastard son???😂😬💕🙏🏽
Yes. Most definitely.
Good luck to you.
A part of me wishes Mushroom was alive during the main books. Very interested how his tales of events would go.
I'd love to see a version of fire and blood just from his POV. Sadly i don't think we will see him in house of the dragon, at least not in any meaningful way
His tales would have been scandalous
Anyone here after episode 6? Anyone else get the feeing that Rhaena will end up with sheepstealer in place of nettles?
Addam was a real hero, he alone joined an army of loyalists and put them in march, he was really the general the blacks needed so desperetly in the dance. it's a shame that in this world, heroes die early
Honestly I think laenor is their father the reason that Corlys didn’t claim them earlier was to not disrespect Rhaenyras son as Adam if legitimate would displace lucerys and Joffrey as heirs to driftmark and with rhaenys and lucerys dead and rhaenyra in need for dragons it was a good opportunity to bring up new heirs. Though Laenor just being gay instead of bisexual also makes sense and looks that’s the way they’re going with in the show and corlys could also be the father who knows
One of my favorite characters 😍
He’s my favorite character and his brother Alyn too
They really come into their own toward the end of the dance
The show will probably confirm that they're Corlys' kids, especially after making such a big plot point of Laenor being totally unable to consummate his marriage with Rhaenyra due to his sexuality, even with his back against the wall.
Ether they will be Corlys or they won’t confirm address it directly like the books. I don’t mind as long as the theory people have come up with that that in the show Addam will be Laenor in disguise doesn’t happen.
@@WorldOfWesteros it would be very cliche and stupid
Bruh! The Sons of Laenor Velaryon is pretty much a meme now, almost as much as the name Blackfyre or Strong by the start of the first book
Blackfyre has memes?
They're for sure Corlys' kids. Mom must be a dragon seed
I wonder if they will just have Leanor return and take the name Adam to go unnoticed
yeah but why would Rhaenerya turn on him so easily? I wonder how they'll tackle this in the show. Especially considering how doubtful it is that show Rhaenerya would have bias/distrust against bastards. Given how close she is to her own bastard sons. And unlike the books, theres no ambiguity that Leanor was not the father of her first 3 sons. good point, idk how they'll tackle this.
Adam HAS to be the son of Laenor. Laenor says "not for lack of trying ". Adam is a dragon rider. Alyn was lit on fire. I think Marilda was Corlys's idea. That he tried to turn Laenor straight. Alyn might be Corlys's son buy Addam wouldn't be able to ride a dragon if he wasn't the grandson of Rhaenys Targaryen. Alyn is definitely probably the bastard of Corlys after he failed to turn Laenor straight he slept with her too.
Adam MAYbe laenor
This actually is exactly what I was thinking. He fell for the chick he acquired to seduce his son and had himself a turn
I’m thinking that maybe Marilda is actually a Dragonseed and had the boys with Corlys
It’s still possible Adam’s mother was a dragon seed he could’ve inherited it from his mother not laenor his mother could’ve had Targaryen blood that’s the problem with sleeping with everyone so many had Targaryen and veleryon blood in them Adam could’ve been coryls and his mother had Targaryen blood ergo he can claim a dragon.
You guys watched the show?
Addam of hull is the best character.
I can’t wait to see how they adapt this on the show. I believe Adam will be Laenor.
When seeing Adam and Alan Rhaenarya thought that sea snake is a better choice than Harwin, the three boys parentage would not be questioned.
Can't wait to see him in a month!!!!!!!
And are you satisfied?
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The only father that makes sense would be laenor
Since they're dragon riders
It's so insane that it actually is Corlys
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Did Corlys really think anyone would buy that his openly gay son fathered two children with some random common girl? It’s clear who the real daddy was lol
That what I love about it. It’s so obvious to most people yet the king just put his fingers in his ears abs refused to hear. I do wonder how obvious the shore will make it though
@@WorldOfWesteros since in the show Corlys is dark skinned and Laenor is light skinned, unless they change Marilda’s race (although afaik her skin tone is never mentioned nor relevant so I guess we’re all just assuming she’s white lol) or make Laenor not gay (I hope not) it’ll be pretty damn obvious who the real dad is
Rumors say that the actor cast as Adam is a black actor but with no white/silver wig, so how do you think he was able to prove he was of Valyrian descent ? Do you think it changes anything ? Maybe he’ll just tame the dragon in secret like Aemond did, looking forward to the action 🥳
Both bastards cannot be sons of the Sea Snake Corlys Verlaryon as he doesn't have the dragon rider seed. This seed comes from Rheanys, the Queen who never was.
The sons are also not from Laenor who does have Dragon Rider seed but he was gay.
In the show they are going for the Adam= Laenor theory.
Hopefully it can be a beautiful redemption story where the father accepts and is proud of his son sexuality before he dies.
Actually Adam’s mother is a dragon seed herself so he could get the blood from her not coryls so it’s still highly possible coryls can be the father and Adam still claim a dragon because of his mother.
Greens vs Blacks > Hatfields vs McCoys
My granny is Devil anse hatfields 3x great granddaughter I live in Logan WV
I know Corlys has some Targ in his blood but is it possible that Addam and Alyn are actually Laenor sons since they ride Dragons? The Dragon blood would've come from Laenor through his mother Princess Rhaenys.
I’m thinking they’ll make Addam and Laenor the same character and make Alyn his son or something. With the newest episode of HOTD it kind of seems likely.
Velaryons have a lot of Targaryen blood. And their mother might have Valyrian blood as well because valyrians had bastards with commoners left and right
@@jeff2x837 That would kind of ruin his character. Instead of a young guy trying to fix mistakes he didn't make you would have an old character dying after making alot of horrible decisions.
The writing is going off..
I do believe they could be laenors sons.
I don't take it as a given they are Corlys's like fire and blood suggests. They could very well still be Laenors and the Corlys angle is a double bluff. I do wonder if House Of The Dragon will give us a clear answer
Those boys are for sure Corlys sons. Leanor was as gay as gay could be.
If they're Corlys's sons, how would they be Dragonseeds? 🤔
THEORY: Adam is Laenor 😅😅😅😅😅😅 Alyn is Corlys' bastard that's why he could not ride a dragon but Adam having Rhaenys' blood simply claimed back Seasmoke. My theory is that Adam is using some sort of glamour so that he would not be recognized. He came back and pretended to be Corlys' bastard so that he can help his family. This is also probably why Corlys was persistent to have his bastards legitimized because Adam IS his legitimate heir.
Then why would Black queen will doubt on the loyalty of adam and that will make a trouble between corlys and Rhaenyra 🤔🤔🤔???
I also think that Addam and Alyn are Coryl's sons because Laenor is gay and has no interest in woman.
Got me there’s also the idea that he only brought up their existence after Rhaenys died. If they were legit Laenors why not bring them up sooner
You should've numbered these.
It is something i overlooked, when i have time i intend to fix that. i assumed people would just use the playlists, but as quite a few have pointed out recently, they don't always show up.
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If they were Corlys’s, how did they ride dragons?
House Velaryon and Targaryen had been intermarrying gor generation by this stage so it's theoretically possible any member of House Velaryon could ride a dragon given the Targaryen DNA. But even if that's not the case, what most people point to is we really have no idea who Mirlinda Of Hull was or much of her background, so she could very well be a dragonseed herself which allows for Addam to ride a dragon. There is a large section of the fans who believe in the idea that in theory anyone with Valyrian DNA has the ability to bond and ride with a dragon, therefore there is maybe a huge population of people from places like Lys and Volantis that could maybe do it.
@@WorldOfWesteros That’s very interesting. Really loving the content by the way. Only discovered the channel a few days ago and I’ve already reached The Dance Of Dragons videos.
Seasmoke is the dragón of the Velaryion Laenor
Meaning his like half brother i would say
How did Nettles ride sheepstealer without Targaryen blood??
@@REL-420Nettles could be Daemon daughter
how would corlys be the father? valyrons could not ride dragons. rhaneryas sons were bastard targaryen’s and not valyrons.
Adam is Laenor 😂😂😂😂😂😂 just a theory tho
Why would the show remove Nettles?
It would be a Dam Shame If they change this storyline.💯
Honestly it's maybe the one thing i worry about when it comes to season 2.
I Am Adam Hull!
ADAM = LAENOR
Then why would Black queen will doubt on the loyalty of adam and that will make a trouble between corlys and Rhaenyra 🤔🤔🤔???
@@shayanbutt1449 the theory is that Corlys and rhaenyra did not fight over Adams loyalty but Corlys wanted to make peace with the greens and she cought him making plans behind her back. after the treason of the other dragon seeds rhaenyra's time on the throne became insecure and Corlys understood that but Rhaynera didn't.Adam(laenor) stayed loyal to Rhaynera.
Loyal
Jaehaerys did more to win Rhaenyra's throne in a year than Rhaenyra herself in 20 years.
if addam is a dragonseed how could it be rumored that corlys was his father when corlys wasnt a dragonseed
Adam couldn't have possibly been Lord Corlys son. Adam is a dragon rider, Corlys didn't have dragon's blood. So it had to have been Laenors.
I'm 50/50 on it to be honest. I think them being Corlys suits the story better but there are issues such as the dragon riding. I've seen some people say he could have ridden a dragon but never properly tried. It would really depend who is parents are as we know nothing of them. Another claim is Addam got the dragon riding from his mother, and that she could have been a dragonseed or be the offspring of one. A bit of a stretch though.
why would laenor have kids with another woman when he's gay?
@@bensonfang1868 You say that as if gay men don't father children in our real world. I assume Adam is older than his "children with Rhanerya" so maybe in his youth he tried things out with a woman. It happens.
But the thing is I think The sea snake could have been able to ride a dragon because his family was valyrian so then maybe they were able to ride dragons
@@hannothestupid2064 no only the Targaryens were dragon riders
Wait I’m so confused about the Corlys rumor.
If they’re able to take dragons they have to have Targaryen blood I thought. Which is why Laenor could fly sea smoke and Corlys or any Velaryon that came before Laenor and Laena didn’t have a dragon.
Doesn’t the dragon seed Addam taming seasmoke discount all the rumors of the boys alleged grandsire being his true father?? Someone pls help
Okay. We all know that leanor didn’t father any bastards right?
If he is son of corlys valyreon than How can he tame a Dragon, because carlys doesn't have Dragon blood.
I think the idea most people go with is there mother was a dragonseed herself. There is also the idea that you don't necessarily have to have dragonblood to ride a dragon, as some of the other dragonseeds suggest. Another idea is there mother has Valyrian decent because her own parents were from the free cities. There are ways it can make sense, but it does take a bit of mental gymnastics and different interpretations
@@WorldOfWesteros with house of the dragon, I think Addam Velaryon is actually Laenor since we know he survived .
Adam and alyn are more valerian looks
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If they were corlys sons would they be able to fly dragons???? Laenor was part Targaryen
No Nettles then?
Yup no nettles
How they were dragonseeds if only Targeren blood makes it possible?
Valyrian blood
How are they able to ride dragons, they have no targeryn blood
So it’s 2024 addam and alyn are bastards how bro finna ride sea smoke
So these will be two black characters?
Depends on a few things namely there mothers race will have a impact, plus it depends if there Laenor or Corlys would probably impact there skin colour greatly. My guess is they will mostly likely be mixed race like Laenor at the least
He spent a lot of time in the sun since this documentary 😂😂😂😂
He's not a dei hire?
Coloring him is
Why did they make them black?
They made them black for political correctness and the showrunner said that they did not want another lillywhite show.
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