Wishlist on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/1508530/Epiphany_City/ What's the most common thing Falcos do on Slippi? Was there anything I missed? Let me know in the comments!
double laser from ledge as a fox player my go-to option when falcos are on ledge is full hopping constantly trying to hard read this option with a high back air because they do it so much
Thank you so much for this video. I just went and played friendlies with mang0 and won 23 games in a row. Just last week I went 0-2 at levo. You truly can win against falco every time
The ultimate power you feel in your body when you powershield a falco's first lazer. You strike fear into their hearts and you can see it in their gameplay. Its an experience.
The funny thing is it's usually the easiest one to powershield too, since it's full stage length and you know exactly when it's coming. Hitting the first few can sometimes make them give up on lasering entirely for a stock or two haha
Bruh one time I accidentally powershielded a Falco players first 2 lasers in our first match and he just immediately left. Little did he know Im actually fucking trash at dealing with laser spam LOL
@@SSB_Seal Right?? Even easier if you hold A at the start and then do the Z shield trick. I get it almost everytime now and feel so cool even though it’s so easy haha
Just a warning: DK can not powershield Falco lasers under normal circumstances. You'll need to use Z-Powershields (hold a, then press Z and L/R at the same time) to powershield lasers.
@@omarg2079 just dash back or crouch before shielding, you’ll need to do a normal shield so make sure you press L or R quick enough so as not to get a light shield. You can also replace the springs on the shoulder buttons to make doing this easier.
It's like Kira played me for 300 hours and made a guide designed specifically to destroy me even more than it already happens. I've never felt more called out in my life, but I'm glad you're back to making melee content my man 👍
I played a 10 game gf against a falco and every time I came down from the respawn platform he would full hop double jump. I caught on after one game and punished it every time. He never stopped doing it despite always getting hit. I was so mad that despite him being so predictable, it was still a last stock game 10 set. I probably have habits that got me punished every time that I don't realize.
Great video! This added a few little tips to the mountain of what I've learned in the Falco vs Sheik matchup by playing netplay every day. I personally like runoff rising nair best for covering side b since it can be used to cover sweetspot as well as above ledge. Also sitting on the side platform and charging needles like you mentioned is so broken, mid level falcos who rely entirely on lasers have literally no idea what to do when you show that you can easily out-camp them. One thing you didn't go over was double laser from ledge, which I find is even more common than side b, but is even worse/easier to punish. I have spent entire sessions trying to stop falcos from doing it every single time by just running up to ledge, crouching, and spamming dsmash/dtilt/nair as they jump up. Then if they start dairing from ledge I just wavedash back grab or nair oos it lol. Falco has such a great ledgedash and it saddens me to see so many of them forgo it entirely to rely on cheesy mixups like double laser/aerial/side b instead
I'm a Falco main, and this video actually illustrated a lot of flaws in my gameplay that I need to work on. Maybe I'll finally start winning some friendlies! Thanks Kira!
As someone who has started trying to pick up Falco, just to play for fun, this is also a good tutorial on what to avoid being ingrained into your gameplay.
Slippi is the shit. And I am expecting whenever the ranked ladder comes out that it will be insanely fun and competitive at all elo levels. Even my room mate who doesn't wave dash or l cancel or any advanced tech(hell he even misses most actual techs) still has fun playing online slippi once in a while
I'm not one to usually comment, but I just need to say that this guide is impeccable!! So in-depth and detailed. Perfect timing too because there are a few Falcos I play on unranked and was getting tired of them yesterday. Thanks again for the help!!!
This video is responsible for one of the most drastic changes in my play style since I've played melee. It's actually insane how much better I am against Falco's now because I've started implementing this game plan. Not just falco's either but overall my approach to fighting any character has improved so much, game plans really do work. Unbelievably useful video for anyone looking to improve, thank you so much.
"Oh boy I can't wait to see how I can start beating falcos with my yoshi!" "Shield is an amazing option against falco for a ton of reasons. Shield is a frame one jump cancellable move" fuck.
The same thing applies with Yoshi. Still invincible, still jc-able, and you can abuse the armor on double jump to punish their aerials with a Nair. (Not to mention that its just cooler when Yoshi does it)
@@ToThePowerOfX Yoshi can jump out of his pre-shield animation, which includes the projectile powershield window. It actually makes him really good against approaching laser.
@@OGKidMelee For marth, you really need to capitalize on making him make mistakes, and punishing as much as possible. Most marths are going to mix in wavedashes and dash dancing. There probably going to down tilt or grab after, and then get you up above him so he can bully you. It's hard, but It can be avoided. Gl on the grind :)
@@palebee_7689 Hehe thanks my friend plays luigi and he cant seem to not down smash so l grab and get him off the stage so l can take a stock thanks for the ideas
Dude the tech option and side b shit is so true, i could make a 20 minute montage of all the times ive rested falcos rolling in or side B'ing onto stage, then again my dumbass throws out pound too much, sometimes when every other option is better even, we all got work to do on our melee play
Most falcos will up throw you, me who solely forward throws as falco and wondered why nobody ever saw it coming and they just eat a dair>shine free combo after
if you're thinking about getting into falco - don't unless you're willing to put in the tons of extra work to succeed with falco, you'll be forever punished for the smallest mistakes. Falco has to work harder to succeed than any other top-tier character.
because melee ledge is a safer place than ult. ledge, in ult. if you ledge regrab its not invincible and you can only ledge regrab 6 time in a row, melee lets you refresh ledge invincibility and regrab it an infinit amount of time.
Just reading the title makes me think of something I'd hear a shady man say to me at the crossroads in exchange for my soul, but it turns out, I just gotta avoid lasers. Huh.
I just started playing melee earlier this week. there was this hella flashy falco he was wavedashing all around the stage shining and all, but he was hella predictable all he did was laser, dash attack/dash Dair or some other attack. I played marth and I basically just stood there pressing down B or shield into grab whenever he got close and I won.
As a trash falco player this video is very accurate. Do you have any advice for the ditto or what to do as falco instead of the options you listed? Mixing in dash dancing with lasers and making approaches more unpredictable is what comes to mind but things like the predictable wake-up or tech options I'm not so sure of.
Is Running up shield something I should implement in my game even against better falcos. If yes, should I -Use it a lot assuming I'm not directly in front of him -Use it regularly but ONLY at farther ranges. -Only use it as a small mixup (I play JIggly)
the stuff about edgeguarding sideb around 7:45 is partly wrong. if you always cover sideb with hard reads you are actually guaranteed to occasionally get hit by it because they can choose when to do it in their doublejump, or whether they doublejump at all, or whether they shine stall, which is enough of a timing mixup to hit people trying to cover it with a read. if your character has a move that is out on f4 or f5 ish, you should be audio reacting to it, even at point blank range, then the timing mixups become completely irrelevant and you can hit it literally 100% of the time. I played netplay for like 5 yrs before I figured out that I shouldn't be reading it. I learnt to do it by setting up a 20xx replay to sideb and trying to hit it with my eyes closed. Also it doesn't feel possible with the default windows audio settings due to dolphins audio latency issues, so it's best to use wasapi or install linux
Wishlist on Steam: store.steampowered.com/app/1508530/Epiphany_City/
What's the most common thing Falcos do on Slippi? Was there anything I missed? Let me know in the comments!
short hop dair on shield
Laser and laser
Miss auto cancel laser
Double laser from ledge
double laser from ledge
as a fox player my go-to option when falcos are on ledge is full hopping constantly trying to hard read this option with a high back air because they do it so much
Thank you so much for this video. I just went and played friendlies with mang0 and won 23 games in a row. Just last week I went 0-2 at levo. You truly can win against falco every time
Can confirm I'm mango
how drunk was he
@@SSBMTutorials he was in jail and playing through the cell bars
@@SSBMTutorials I was sober
@@mlalbaitero the *real* problem
I love that when you're talking about random unranked slippi falcos, you show clips of Westballz. The best random unranked falco
2015 was a wild time
MonkaS
upload pls daddy
Upload luvdic we miss u lol
Shut up luvdix
monkaS *
Ludvix is ABSOLUTELY READY TO GET REEEKT?
The ultimate power you feel in your body when you powershield a falco's first lazer. You strike fear into their hearts and you can see it in their gameplay. Its an experience.
Sometimes they just SD out of respect
The funny thing is it's usually the easiest one to powershield too, since it's full stage length and you know exactly when it's coming. Hitting the first few can sometimes make them give up on lasering entirely for a stock or two haha
Bruh one time I accidentally powershielded a Falco players first 2 lasers in our first match and he just immediately left. Little did he know Im actually fucking trash at dealing with laser spam LOL
@@SSB_Seal Right?? Even easier if you hold A at the start and then do the Z shield trick. I get it almost everytime now and feel so cool even though it’s so easy haha
Specially when you do it while running towards them lol
DK mains everywhere are thankful for this video 🙏
Just a warning: DK can not powershield Falco lasers under normal circumstances. You'll need to use Z-Powershields (hold a, then press Z and L/R at the same time) to powershield lasers.
Bless monke
@@omarg2079 just dash back or crouch before shielding, you’ll need to do a normal shield so make sure you press L or R quick enough so as not to get a light shield. You can also replace the springs on the shoulder buttons to make doing this easier.
It's like Kira played me for 300 hours and made a guide designed specifically to destroy me even more than it already happens. I've never felt more called out in my life, but I'm glad you're back to making melee content my man 👍
Been watching you since 2017, So glad you're (kinda) back!
as a random falco, every loss from now on is Kira's fault!
oh no
You beat me to it
hah get fucked artlex ur time is up
"rip bozo" as the kids say.
Now we need to change our gameplan
oh yes
I played a 10 game gf against a falco and every time I came down from the respawn platform he would full hop double jump. I caught on after one game and punished it every time. He never stopped doing it despite always getting hit. I was so mad that despite him being so predictable, it was still a last stock game 10 set. I probably have habits that got me punished every time that I don't realize.
definitely! it can never hurt to post your replays in your characters discord server
falco is the most braindead character in the game at mid level
falco is incredibly degenerate. you're my god
@@bensnape4982 Ben Snape 💜
@@bensnape4982 ben snape youre too good at melee for these takes LMFAO
Comin for you Mang0
Oh shit Phil Swift who do you main?
phil swift ur da man
Great video! This added a few little tips to the mountain of what I've learned in the Falco vs Sheik matchup by playing netplay every day. I personally like runoff rising nair best for covering side b since it can be used to cover sweetspot as well as above ledge. Also sitting on the side platform and charging needles like you mentioned is so broken, mid level falcos who rely entirely on lasers have literally no idea what to do when you show that you can easily out-camp them. One thing you didn't go over was double laser from ledge, which I find is even more common than side b, but is even worse/easier to punish. I have spent entire sessions trying to stop falcos from doing it every single time by just running up to ledge, crouching, and spamming dsmash/dtilt/nair as they jump up. Then if they start dairing from ledge I just wavedash back grab or nair oos it lol. Falco has such a great ledgedash and it saddens me to see so many of them forgo it entirely to rely on cheesy mixups like double laser/aerial/side b instead
I'm a Falco main, and this video actually illustrated a lot of flaws in my gameplay that I need to work on. Maybe I'll finally start winning some friendlies! Thanks Kira!
As someone who has started trying to pick up Falco, just to play for fun, this is also a good tutorial on what to avoid being ingrained into your gameplay.
it is time for the birds to learn to fly
as a falco main, this both helps and hurts lmao
Guess I have to put my Falco secondary away for a bit.
lmfao
Mine felt so attacked.
Man, I have never attempted to play Melee competitively, but your videos make me want to try. Great job man, and I'm excited for you to 100K
It's a great competitive outlet
Slippi is the shit. And I am expecting whenever the ranked ladder comes out that it will be insanely fun and competitive at all elo levels. Even my room mate who doesn't wave dash or l cancel or any advanced tech(hell he even misses most actual techs) still has fun playing online slippi once in a while
Consider yourself wishlisted! Thanks for the vids Kira :O
remember kira the entire community loves u and thank you again bro for all of ur videos❤
I'm not one to usually comment, but I just need to say that this guide is impeccable!! So in-depth and detailed. Perfect timing too because there are a few Falcos I play on unranked and was getting tired of them yesterday. Thanks again for the help!!!
This video is responsible for one of the most drastic changes in my play style since I've played melee. It's actually insane how much better I am against Falco's now because I've started implementing this game plan. Not just falco's either but overall my approach to fighting any character has improved so much, game plans really do work. Unbelievably useful video for anyone looking to improve, thank you so much.
its been so long and youre still making videos keep it up and thank you for all the content!
I FINALLY was able to get Slippi. I watched all your Melee vids before having Slippi now I'm gonna rewatch them all since i have slippi :)
"Oh boy I can't wait to see how I can start beating falcos with my yoshi!"
"Shield is an amazing option against falco for a ton of reasons. Shield is a frame one jump cancellable move"
fuck.
The same thing applies with Yoshi. Still invincible, still jc-able, and you can abuse the armor on double jump to punish their aerials with a Nair. (Not to mention that its just cooler when Yoshi does it)
I've never played on netplay, but flaco is the easiest character to parry if it's any consolation.
@@WafflesOWNz Really? What makes him easier than others? I imagine that someone without projectiles would be easier to time parries against.
@@jessierose13 Yoshi cannot jump out of shield
@@ToThePowerOfX Yoshi can jump out of his pre-shield animation, which includes the projectile powershield window. It actually makes him really good against approaching laser.
The transitions to epiphany city are so smooth I love it
YOU DONT KNOW HOW MUCH I NEEDED THIS.
ima use this for the falco ditto lmao
Been waiting for this for about a decade now
I'm a luigi main who has had a lot of problems with falco. Can't wait to practice these! Thank you all so much! :)
I hate the Luigi V Marth matchup whenever I try to space my aerials he just wavedash in can you help me xD
@@OGKidMelee For marth, you really need to capitalize on making him make mistakes, and punishing as much as possible. Most marths are going to mix in wavedashes and dash dancing. There probably going to down tilt or grab after, and then get you up above him so he can bully you. It's hard, but It can be avoided. Gl on the grind :)
@@palebee_7689 Hehe thanks my friend plays luigi and he cant seem to not down smash so l grab and get him off the stage so l can take a stock thanks for the ideas
@@OGKidMelee ... Tell him to use f tilt
@@palebee_7689 downward angled BET
Falco here looking to counteract the never lose to a falco on slippi. The meta continues to evolve.
Same
its always funny to see a Falco spam lasers when you hold down shine
Kira I’m so glad your back man! Also the videos were great before, but you somehow made them even better 🔥
These have been some banger videos
Dude the tech option and side b shit is so true, i could make a 20 minute montage of all the times ive rested falcos rolling in or side B'ing onto stage, then again my dumbass throws out pound too much, sometimes when every other option is better even, we all got work to do on our melee play
i dont do most of this stuff but im also not any good. i cant wait to cover that side b to stage tho. ty kira
falcos roll like its their job
I’ve noticed a lot of low level falcos the second you touch their shield, roll behind you. I don’t get it, it’s so bad
Oh my god Thank you soo much! I needed this
How to beat unranked Falco, shows westballz.
Shots fired
Love covering side b with falcon punch. Helps them realize their problem an play better!
...or ragequit
Most falcos will up throw you, me who solely forward throws as falco and wondered why nobody ever saw it coming and they just eat a dair>shine free combo after
I’m trying to listen but my 2 remaining brain cells keep getting distracted by the dancing pichu.
my plan was usually to focus my entire being on powershielding the first laser in the match to make the falco scared of lasering forever
sick content as usual
Ready to feel attacked when you guys release Never lose to marth
"Just what I needed!"
Unranked falco here taking notes 👀
Or the falco can just..... Keep shooting lasers..... :)
FalcoMaster420 isn't playing Falco on Slippi just to camp all day.
I have a friend who plays falco and I recognized most of this stuff and it's kind of hilarious to think that most falcos are this predictable
watching this video makes me violently angry at every single falco player on slippi for existing it also expanded my brain thank you 👍
wow i was just studying the falco matchup and this pops up in my feed lol
Sane
Same
This is a title I can get behind
He's reading my tiny falco brain
if you're thinking about getting into falco - don't
unless you're willing to put in the tons of extra work to succeed with falco, you'll be forever punished for the smallest mistakes. Falco has to work harder to succeed than any other top-tier character.
Brain dead falco checking in. Nice video!
I’m watching this so I can take my Falco past this level. Thanks!
Nice video!!!
As a Peach main, I thank you.
*turns around and up-tilts like ppmd would want us to. Falco's shield pressure is also really good if players don't feel like eating lasers too much.
This is good stuff. Thank you
because melee ledge is a safer place than ult. ledge, in ult. if you ledge regrab its not invincible and you can only ledge regrab 6 time in a row, melee lets you refresh ledge invincibility and regrab it an infinit amount of time.
The falcos are gonna need a follow up video to this one explaining our other options. Cuz apparently I’m a basic net play falco 😔
I'll get there, don't worry =)
3:25
Up throw? I have never used that, I only ever use down throw to down smash and if my opponent is good you can just tech chase them.
9:24 cries while double jumping with peach
Peach probably beat most falco anyway
Just reading the title makes me think of something I'd hear a shady man say to me at the crossroads in exchange for my soul, but it turns out, I just gotta avoid lasers. Huh.
8:29 I’ll just do that. My crispiest Marth ledgedash are 3 galint max, fair is frame 4 :(
best thumbnail ever
RIP Falco mains
The hero we needed to keep the balance
MY BODY IS REGGIE
I feel so called out.
Yo... uh, ya'll got any more of those flowcharts? For other characters and matchups?
10:15 Godlike segue tbh
ah so kira's a fellow nail biter 😎
I just started playing melee earlier this week. there was this hella flashy falco he was wavedashing all around the stage shining and all, but he was hella predictable all he did was laser, dash attack/dash Dair or some other attack.
I played marth and I basically just stood there pressing down B or shield into grab whenever he got close and I won.
As a random unranked falco in slippi, i'll try to improve with this video
I can't speak for every new falco but I tend to accidentally laser -> f smash cause I'm fucking up an aerial and cancelling my jump with a bad input
As a trash falco player this video is very accurate. Do you have any advice for the ditto or what to do as falco instead of the options you listed? Mixing in dash dancing with lasers and making approaches more unpredictable is what comes to mind but things like the predictable wake-up or tech options I'm not so sure of.
Shoulda stopped us falcos from seeing this. Now I'm gonna work on this stuff
One thing with falcon you gotta nair oos vs Falco bc it’s good
@@SSBMTutorials I just edited the autocorrect, I'm a falco, not falcon. And yes I hate working around falcons Nair oos unless I can get behind him
4:41 cries in falcon spotdodge...
i love gimping falco's recovery, oh yes dead at 50%
guys please wishlist epipphany city its really easy and I want kira to succeed
latest vids been a little noobie besides the spark sheik tc one was dope. Can’t wait for the game tho:3
Is Running up shield something I should implement in my game even against better falcos. If yes, should I
-Use it a lot assuming I'm not directly in front of him
-Use it regularly but ONLY at farther ranges.
-Only use it as a small mixup
(I play JIggly)
Since they know what I’m looking for, I know that they know, but what if they that I know that they know? The cycle goes on
that's what makes fighting games so fun =)
please do this with marth if i get fsmashed again im moving to 3s
What should I as an random unranked Falco do now against this exposure...?
I felt personally attacked by this video. Some hard truths were revealed here😂
Epic thumbnail 😂
I have played roy for 2 years and i really like to just do a pivot powershield up tilt because it looks silly as hell
I think I might be one of the green falcos in the video ngl. I'm really curious now.
how do you get past the laser part as fox? Does running shine really work?
if you start running early enough
you also have fullhop to go over it which nobody else has
As a garbage tier button-mashing Falco, I'm taking this video personally.
4:48 almost 100%of the time... Dash attack... I mean where is this school for these random falcos? Where did they learn this stuff? Lol
Still dont know if the thumbnail or the video is better
Gotta make them afraid or they won't respect you and just smother your onions basically
the stuff about edgeguarding sideb around 7:45 is partly wrong. if you always cover sideb with hard reads you are actually guaranteed to occasionally get hit by it because they can choose when to do it in their doublejump, or whether they doublejump at all, or whether they shine stall, which is enough of a timing mixup to hit people trying to cover it with a read.
if your character has a move that is out on f4 or f5 ish, you should be audio reacting to it, even at point blank range, then the timing mixups become completely irrelevant and you can hit it literally 100% of the time. I played netplay for like 5 yrs before I figured out that I shouldn't be reading it. I learnt to do it by setting up a 20xx replay to sideb and trying to hit it with my eyes closed. Also it doesn't feel possible with the default windows audio settings due to dolphins audio latency issues, so it's best to use wasapi or install linux
LMao I think this is me alot in this video, I'm a doc main, and I play falco like once every two weeks.
Thanks for teaching these dirty shiek/marth mains how to stomp me harder than they already do
Being a bird is harder than it looks