Aeropro R500 v Ntools 4000B, The Best Cheap Spray Gun? LVLP ?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- My ramblings on Ntools 4000B 1.3 against the Aeropro R500 1.3, you probably won't find cheaper spray guns that work, Thanks for watching everyone. It really is appreciated 👍
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Just today I received the 4000B, I will try it and apply your advice since I bought it thanks to your videos.
Hi buddy, Great, I hope you enjoy it. Let us know what you think as it helps others, thanks, mate 👍
Great comparison. I've had the r500 for couple years and had been looking at the 4000b as a replacement. Thanks again for your honesty about the spray guns.
Hi buddy, the 4000B would make a good replacement, I think you'll find it sprays better all around than the R500, it may use a little more air but it's really isn't much considering you can run them st a lower pressure, cheers mate 👍
Great video👍🏻, I’ve been following you for a while now and really enjoy your content. I was a professional painter for 27 years and always preferred Sata over everything else once I started using them, although I was always partial to Devilbiss ( the Tekna guns were nice too). That being said, Sata isn’t shy at all about their pricing and it’s gotten extreme, I have at least a dozen Sata guns lying around but if I didn’t and I needed one I would happily buy a copy these days for a fraction of the price , and that ntools gun looks like it does the job!. I just picked up an A610 because I’m spraying some trim in my house with an alkyd urethane and the biggest tip size I have for my Sata’s is a 1.5 which is just a little too tight without a lot of thinning. The A610 with a 1.7 works perfect and I’m shocked at how well that gun handles and sprays for the money
Hi Robert, The quality of these guns is rather surprising considering their price, I know the original manufacturers have research and development to conduct but some of the pricing of the higher end guns are getting extreme to say the least.
Good to hear you enjoy the videos buddy, I genuinely enjoy making them 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 I had a 1.7 for my Sata 3000 but someone stole it, I went checking on prices for another and they want $370…….for a tip set?!🤯
I remember buying my first “real” gun, a Devilbiss JGA 502 and it was less than $100… with extras. I remember buying Sata Jet 90’s for a little over $200!
What the hell!?!?
Everything has gotten ridiculous.
Keep on keeping on my friend 💪🏻
Looking forward to more great content from you
Love your video's Pete, keep em coming mate. Wish Id have watched this video first as bought an A610 this morning so will have to treat myself to a 4000B as well . For this money its just nice to haves for the retirement projects in the garage. Thanks again, Johnny
Hi John, The A610 is a good gun. They have modified it since I got mine, so now it sprays exactly the same as the R500, which is pretty good.
At the price, they are, as you say, worth getting so they are there when you need them, good to hear you enjoy the videos mate, thanks for watching, cheers 👍
Great video Pete. Just ordered the ntools 4000b. Can't wait to give it a go! Cheers, Rob
Hi Rob, I think you'll like it, considering how much they are you can't go wrong really, cheers mate 👍
PETE I'm tuned into your videos, and they're incredibly helpful.
Hi Mate, Good to hear you're enjoying the videos and great if they are helping , Thanks for watching 👍
Hi Pete! Great comparison as always! What abrasive grit did you use to sand the two supports before applying the clear coat? Did you sand dry or wet? Thanks! Bye! 🤗
Hi Buddy, Thank you 😊
On these, I normally use 500 grit on a DA sander dry
THANKS FOR THE NEW VIDEO, I AGREE NTOOLS MAKE GREAT TOOLS BETTER ATOMIZATION ❤❤
Hi Lesli, you're welcome mate, thanks for watching 👍
Hi Pete, another good comparison as both guns put out a nice finish so for a cheap gun I think the Ntools is the better gun, as you mentioned here mate it's a better made gun at around the same price as the R500 and I think I said the same when I borrowed this gun along with the GTI copy and the GTI copy is not a nice gun to use😣😅
The R500 is a nice gun and while I don't regret buying mine it's not a gun that's enjoyable to use but it makes a change now and then to get it off the gun rack, again as you said both guns are ideal for a DIY home user that want's to get a couple of jobs done as cheaply as possible👌
Cheers mate👍
Hi John, Both these, as you say, are very good value for money guns, but for me, the Ntools 4000B takes it, if feels better, seems made better, gives a better finish and doesn't consume much more air than the R500, its a clear winner here, cheers mate 👍
Another great video! Thank you sir!
Thanks, mate, it's much appreciated 👍
I use the a 610 aropro with a 21 compressor paint a whole care .looks like a 4000 doller job
Hi Pete.
After watching your video, I bought 4000b RP 1.3.
I have a problem with setting it up. For the base I chose a pressure of 1.8-2.0 bar, and for clear 2.0-2.2 bar. Fan to the max, and material to the max. As for the base, I cannot pour it like a smooth mirror, it is not flat. Something like very delicate orange peel. As for clear, it pours out quite nicely, up close it has a mirror effect, but when you step away you can see a strong orange peel.
I will be very grateful to You for your help. Because I'm slowly giving up xD
Hi Mate, What distance are you from the work? Is the base waterbourn or solvent?, I use around 1.8 bar for base coat, no more, 2 bar for clear.
There will normally be some peel on basecoats, clears should be relatively flat, remember, speed will also make a difference to the finish
@@peteshobbies5383 thank You for the reply. I keep distance from little finger to thumb (like in many videos). I use base from local store Spectral Base 2.0.
I observed that I use material very quickly. 50ml base + 40ml thinner was used for two coats on fornt bumper splitter.
Maybe the fan is to big and very big portion of material ends in air and not ont the painted part?
Most base coats are 50/50 mix,certainly for base coat I would turn the fluid down, around 2 1/2 turns out, distance around 150 to 175mm, it depends on the size of someones hand , a small hand would be closer than a big hand, that's why I normally give a distance measurement as it's more accurate.
For Clear, full fluid and around 125 to 150mm away from the work
@@peteshobbies5383 i will try with these settings next time, and share the results with You 😇
Thank You for Your time
@darkelectroster OK mate 👌
I look forward to your next review of the Rongpeng R830 spray gun.(upgrade from R500)
The R830 looks like an A610
So you're the go to guy about spray guns on UA-cam... Have you ever done a video with the grex x4000 spray gun? It looks like a lph 400 but listed as an lvlp. I can't find any videos on it. I'm thinking of buying but want to see how it works
Hi Mate, I've not used one, but I'm looking at it on Amazon, and I would suggest, going by the size of the air holes in the air horns that the only reason they are saying it LVLP is they are quoting it use at a low pressure, probably 16psi.
It doesn't have a split nozzle, so I would again suggest that it's going to struggle at those low pressures to give a good finish. It's also quite expensive .
I presume you're after something as you think maybe your compressor will struggle?
@@peteshobbies5383 ya my compressor only a 20 gallon, but I'm not painting full cars but I know the grex makes a good airbrush, I was just surprised no one has made a video with the x4000... I'm looking for a good gun in the $3-400 range. Thanks for getting back though, I really appreciate the response back
@nolanlane9328 There's plenty of good guns out there, but they need a fair bit of air.
Something like a Iwata W400 Bellaria or Kiwami4 BA4J are good on air and good guns, the latter has had production stopped at the moment but there are still a few about
Pete, are the little gaskets on the Ntools 4000B available? Also, the link you gave me for the PPS adapter was better than advertised. It is actually for a PPS 2.0 and not a PPS 1.0. Other the the weird cup thread the thing sprays really well for a cheap gun. I'm using it for sealer.
Hi Mate, As far as I know, the tip seals aren't available separately.
Yeah, on Aliexpress, you can get PPS 1 & 2 adapters for the Ntools, I picked up a couple of PPS 1 adapters as I use generic cups when I use disposables.
They are good guns for the money, there's no doubt about it 👍
Hey Pete, I love your videos comparing spray guns, but I have seen so many that I need clarification on which cheapy I should buy.
I'm tossing up Between the NTool 4000B 1.3 and the Prophis PRD 717 1.3
Which would you recommend?
Cheers
Hi Mate, Well, there is absolutely no contest between those two. The Porphis is in a totally different class although it is much more expensive but worth every cent 👌
Hi Mr
Thank you for the informative vídeo. I am very new to the spray painting world. So I'm looking for a cheap gun to learn the trade with. By the way, what are you warming up in the microwave?
Hi, I warm my materials up in a microwave, so base coat and clear coats.
Normally in the UK the temperatures are on the cool side so it helps the clear flow out
nice video man. i just received my r500 a few days ago and then saw this video, would it be a noticeable or huge difference if i just returned mine to amazon and bought the ntools instead?
Hi buddy, If it's possible to return it I would, because the Ntools 4000B is better for sure
Great video as always!
Witch gun do you think is best for clear?
Ntools 4000B 1.3
Astro EuroPro HE 1.3
Hi Robin, normally when someone asks me which is best, it's quite straightforward to pick a winner. In your scenario, it's not easy. If they were the same price, I would say the Astro HE 1.3, it's as good as the Ntools 4000B, but because it doesn't use a sealing ring on the tip, I expect it to last longer and you have the option to get some parts should you need.
The problem is, the Ntools is half the price, which means you can replace it if needed and still only have spent the price of the Astro Europro, I guess I would pick the Ntools, cheers buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 thanks! (:
@Ruubbin93 You're welcome, buddy 👍
I can spray base coat and clear coat to my car with the 4000b and have a very good finish?
There is another gun better for base n clear coat in the same price or even a little more than the 4000b?
Hope u can help me with ur answer!!!
U do a really good job and help a lot!!!
Blessings!!!!
Hi Mate, The 4000B is very good for the money, if you can stretch to it, the Dram Spray Gun is very good but is quite a bit more expensive
Hi Pete. Thanks for your great videos :)
I ve just got a 4000B along with a GTi pro lite.
How much pressure, from the compressor outlet do you run (up til the regulator)? If i recall correct, the manuel for 4000B states max pressaure of around 5 bars?
Cheers from Denmark
Hi mate, I have the compressor fully open, so around 9.5 to 10 bar, I use a few diaphragm regulators, this explains more,
ua-cam.com/video/m2-zPsv7oG0/v-deo.html
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks, not i havent got to spraying acutal paint with the guns, just spraying thinner to see pattern and mess with settings. But i feel the trigger on the 4000B i signifigantlly harder to push initianlly, then the GTi pro lite? do you feel this to? thats the reason for me asking. I was also running 8-10 bar up until the regulator on the gun(then 2 bar on the regulator). But then, the gun should only withstand or handle max of 2 bars of pressure right. Just feels way harder to the initial "trigger"?
@cpr83 The pressure going through the gun will be 2 bar but will drop as the pressure drops from the compressor, that's why a diaphragm regulator is key to steady air, as the video shows
I use an Iwata 400Pro gun and it puts clear on like a sheet of satin @ 30PSI I also have a cheaper gun LVLP running at 22PSI and it is not far behind the pro gun. The only difference I see is atomization and over longer periods the cheaper gun feels heavier and cramps my hand.
Hi Mate, what Iwata 400 do you run, the LPH400?
@@peteshobbies5383 The pininfarina styled gun WS400.
Yeah, the WS400 is a very good gun. That split tip really does help
Супер. У нас хюберт р 500 и похожие
Has una comparacion con la Porphis 717 y la N tools 4000 B
Hi Mate, the Porphis is a very different gun, slower but better atomisation
So you using the r500 at 2.5bars for clear?
Can you tell me please what pressure you use on each gun for base and clear? I got both guns and nearly ready to respray my car ...I used the r500 to apply high bulb primer on all the repaired panels spots with the 1.7 cap...., was thinking to use the same r500 for base ...then some blender with pigments...and then the Ntools for clear. Opinions? Ta
Hi buddy, yes, I use the R500 at 2.5 bar for clear coat and the 4000B at 2bar 29psi.
Base is around 1.8 bar on the NTools and 2.0 on the R500.
This video uses the R500 for basecoat
ua-cam.com/video/m-LthIGaX-w/v-deo.html
Using the NTools for clear is a good idea as it's better than the R500 IMO
Hi there Pete , just wondering have you done a review on the Drizzel D1 ? ...if you have ,is it compatible solvent base paint ?
Hi Malcolm, as far as I know it's the same as this Y160, there are loads of different names, colours and models of these but they are all the same Rongpeng gun
Hi Pete, this R500 has been my beginner sprayer for some time. I have did well with primers, metallics, candies, and clear. But was painting "things". But now that I'm going to be spraying a car (in separate panels), I felt I should get a better gun (iwata ws400 and obs tip as we discussed) . I was thinking to continue to use the r500 for primers and sealers. How would the product finishes be different, in your opinion (between r500 and iwata ws400)? Ps, I usually shoot R500 @29 psi. 31 psi for clear. Probably too high, but works for me.
The WS400 guns atomise finer, so it gives very good finishes. You are better off keeping the R500 for primers and the like as you wouldn't want to use the WS, it's far too good 😀
@peteshobbies5383 Thanks Pete. 😊
@stizolac You're welcome buddy
Mr. Pete,s i just want to let you know that i have search every were in the internet about auto paint guns ,,,, and i have found very good information about a particular gun that i am interesting on buying ,,,,, but to be honest ,,, with you when it comes to getting information about a painting gun ,,,,,,there is not any were in the net. that will expose the quality of a spray gun like your channel ...i want to let you know that if you say the gun is good to buy ,,,, i will take your word 100% because you are the real deal when it comes about spray guns ,,,,, there is out there no body and i mean no body that will give such an clear information about a spray gun like you ,,,,, i can not even know how to thank you for your channel and your amazing gift of teaching about this guns ,,,,, i am surprise that you have not test the "VEVOR R 802 GUN " ,,,, is about 89.99$ here in US but this gun also is making lots of noise in the painting industry ,,,, the gun i just got me is the ntool b4000 base on your information an i can not be any happier with the gun,, i paid only 42.00 usd here in florida amazing gun ,,,, so the VEVOR R 802 is in that same category ,,,, i got it in amazon ,,,,, hope you don,t stop teaching because you are the only person out there taking the time to go with such a clarity on gun quality topic,s i love it and i will always be looking for your inf. thank,s so much
Hi Roberto, As far as I know, the Vevor R802 gun is made by Rongpeng, the same company that makes the Aeropro R500 and A610 .
They are a copy of an early Sata gun, so it should be quite good, I will keep an eye out if one comes along, but Vevor don't sell many products in the UK anymore.
Good to hear you like the channel, I genuinely enjoy making the videos, my background is mechanical engineering, so I really enjoy seeing what the differences are between guns in both build quality and performance, appreciate the comments mate, they are much appreciated 👍
Great video Pete! Which gun do you recommend for painting with matte paint? Tks
Either will be fine. Just use less pressure
Thank you but I want to say in general, I'm not referring to the guns in this video, I work with military jet, a good gun for matte paints, black and gray colors, cheers
@allantxt Hi buddy, I would say something like the Porphis PRD 717, the Iwata LPH400 or Iwata LS400 would be good, you may want something a little faster if you have bigger areas to do so the Porphis PRD715 1.3 , Sagola 4600 1.3XL DVR, Sata 5000 1.3 RP would fit the bill nicely
Pete which budget guns would you recommend for bicycle spraying with a 50 L compressor
It's the output of the compressor more than the tank size that dictates what it can power.
For cycle frames, something like this would be fine,
ua-cam.com/video/-9CamYk0vh0/v-deo.html
Hi. I'm looking for a cheap spray gun for 50-60$. Would the Ntools 4000B be the best?
Hi Buddy, sorry for the late reply. It's been a busy day! Yes, as long as you have a reasonable air supply, the Ntools 4000B would be a great buy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 No problem. Thanks for the answer.
@PoorMarek No worries, you're welcome buddy 👍
Why you put the clear in the microwave?
Hi Phillip, it warms it up, which helps it flow out better. This gives better results
I bought two 4000b guns for about 40 dollars each including shipping.
I like that base color you used. Do you have some info on it so I can buy some?
Hi buddy, It is a colour I buy in rather than make up, here's the link if that helps, it looks good in the sunlight, unfortunately we don't get much of that in the UK 😂
nuagane.co.uk/product/1lt-neat-whizz-cranberry-red-pearl-metallic-custom-car-colour-paint/
So the R-500 is a loose copy of an old Iwata? What year did Iwata begin using the split tip double atomization air cap/ nozzle design? Thanks!
Hi Kevin, Yes, the outer design is a little different, but the tip and inner workings are copying the Iwata W400. The split tip came out around 2004 , so around 20 years
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you for the informative response 👍
@kevinhintz1903 You're welcome, buddy 👍
diluizione 2:1? quanto diluente? pressione di spruzzo?
Hi buddy, With this particular clear coat, it was 10% thinners, which is the maximum it you could go to really
So what is your spray gun of choice pete
Hi Mate, it really depends on what for , the difference between these guns is often small, it also depends what materials you are using
Could I use any of these guns with 50l 3hp compressor 13.5cfm ?
Hi mate, Yes, the R500 should be fine, not really the 4000B. It only uses a little more air, but it would be enough to push it
Hey Pete, looking to paint a couple trucks and trying to figure out what gun to buy? my max is $300 for a gun i’m looking to get 1 gun for base and clear that I can get a smooth finish with no orange peel minimal sanding. I have. 26gal compressor I think it’s 4.5cfm at 90psi. I know it isn’t the best but it’s what i’ve got. would be interested in what guns you would recommend for me!
Hi buddy, your limiting factor is going to be your compressor, One of these would be fine for finish, but you may struggle with air, I would suggest something like an Anest Iwata Kiwami4 with BA4J cap, uses less air than these 2
@@peteshobbies5383 was looking at that, what about the wider 4l? heard it was the new lph-400 which I have heard of people using and getting good finishes with smaller compressors, would that be an option or would you recommend the kiwami 4BA over that
@@peteshobbies5383also looking at the ANi Compact in 1.3 it’s supposed to be small compressor friendly if you have any info on that
@BSevenly The Wider4L is very good but it uses a lot of air, it's quoted as using 9.5 cfm but that's at 16psi, many will need to use it around 22 to 24 psi for a good finish, just like people do with the LPH400, then it's using around 15 cfm which you don't have, very relevant when spraying a fair sized area
@BSevenly I've just got an ANI Compact in 1.4, I'm waiting for the 1.3 set to be available so I can test them together and up against the R160, which it's designed around.
I am also sorting a video out on air consumption for lots of mini guns, The Compact will be in that video, the main drawback with the ANI R160 is it needs quite a lot of pressure for a good finish with clear coat, certainly more than the 2.2 bar recommended so it air consumption isn't particularly low, it's not high buy it's not low either
hello , how many turns you unscrew material ? bye tks
Hi Mate, all the way, so full fluid 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 hello dear tks very much i will try :)
I can't find R500 on wedside or Amazon. How you can get it Pete
Hi buddy, have a look at Aliexpress. That's where I got mine from
How much do you need?
@nashcodm2831 Hi buddy, not sure what you mean?
You running through fluid wide open ? People can say what they want ! But for the price you can't beat the job it will do ? Some people will spray with a high dollar gun because what I would say don't like the challenge of being able to work with what you have I have a few paint guns not like you but I have more than I need. Bottom line if you can use a paint gun you can get a good finish with a cheap gun !
Hi buddy, yes, to a certain extent, that is true. A higher end gun makes it easier to achieve better results, but it's also nice to use good quality tools. Certainly, that's how I feel.
One of the equations people often miss out is materials. The quality of materials can have a bearing on the final results, particularly the clear coat, so there are lots of variables
Hi Pete, long time subscriber from Perth WA. Own Rongpeng R500 for ages and 4 x A610 and Ntools NVE 1.3. I have 300ltrs of compressed air on a pro setup so air delivery is no issue.
I have just ordered an Ntools 4000B in 1.3 as curious to compare how that performs to my existing NVE 1.3 (my NVE was nearly double the price but have owned it for a year now)
Can you kindly provide feedback on performance comparison of the newer 4000B 1.3 to their existing NVE 1.3
What are the noticeable differences in the design of both the internals of the guns and the trigger feel and the aircaps?
Hi mate, For me, the Ntools 4000B feels better made. A few people have had problems with the NVE leaking after a while.
I think the 4000B will last longer. Only time will tell. It's also faster, which you may or may not prefer, it's finish is comparable to the NVE, people in Oz tell me these things are much more expensive over with you guy's, quoting around 150 AUD which in around twice what I paid.
@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks Pete i will wait till it arrives and give it a go. I have some Italian made ANI guns as well (F160 & R150) and rate them as well
@krh007 Yes, the ANI guns are for the money, especially as you can buy a service kit for very little money 👍
You need to tray 5000b Ntools
Hi Mate, I've can't find an Ntools 5000B when I search Aliexpress
Rp?
Hi buddy, do you mean the 4000B? If so, then yes, but HVLP or RP, the guns are exactly the same
Just looked on eBay and the ntools 4000b is 163$ plus 30$ shipping
Hi Dennis, Where are you based? , the same gun delivered to the UK is around 50 USD, including tax
@@peteshobbies5383 I’m in Missouri right in the middle of the USA that price is from eBay
@dennisgray7509 Try looking on Aliexpress, it's normally cheaper, people often buy from Aliexpress and put them on Ebay.
I just checked, the Ntools 4000B is currently 34USD , here's the link,
a.aliexpress.com/_EvijHLv
@@peteshobbies5383 thank you very much
@dennisgray7509 You're welcome buddy 👍