30:20 "nobody hates immigrants more then an immigrant who made it" actually so true from my personal encounters (especially from my eastern euro family)
I immediately thought of "our" FL governor Ron DeSantis. I could never understand why he stands behind such discriminating politics concerning his own people. THIS is the only thing that makes sense.
WA Won the most important election, our Superintendent of Instruction will NOT be this new Republican Anti-mask/Anti-DEI hooligan thankfully. I hear you though, one school year at a time, keep your head up!
To quote Bernie Sanders. It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.
@@soundsaboutright--- thats the thing, the dems didnt even give lip service. They just justified republican positions and hoped voters would ignore that and still vote for them
This was the most union friendly presidency in history. You all are just angry and not that smart. Also, please name the last piece of legislation that Bernie has passed in his, what, 20 years, of squatting in the Senate. He should put up or shut up.
@@soundsaboutright---The republicans at least give their side hope. Trump promises that everything wrong is because of immigrants and lgbtq people and that he will get rid of them. The democrats say everything is fine as is. Dems had no selling points besides “I’m not Donald trump”. No one is going to be passionate about that.
White suburban male voter here. I live in suburbs of Philadelphia. Traditionally very blue areas. My polling location was emptyyyyy. That was not the case in 2020. The writing was on the wall before the polls closed. I knew suburban PA Dems weren't voting.
I think youre bang on the Money on dems moving further right. Thats whats been Happening in plenty european countries. Over Here in the UK, Labor has been doing it. The Center right in my Home Country has been doing it in an attempt to poach voters from the far right. It doesnt tend to Work. But it wont Matter, they still Take that lesson every time
random but i implore everyone to get rid of Twitter. trust me youll feel better. it doesnt do any good and today especially ive seen the most disgusting stuff imaginable
I would agree. I said no to Twitter when it showed up (I was a hater of MySpace and Facebook when those first showed up too) and I have been emboldened that my decision to completely avoid those sites was the best thing I’ve done in my life.
I’m a first generation Colombian American. Born in raised in California, let me tell you you I was surprised how many of my Latino friends turned on their own these last 8+ years. I think that they think if they vote Red, act Red, they’ll be accepted. A lot of them are light skinned Latinos who think they’ll be the next Italian/Irish ethnicity to get picked to join the “white coalition”.
I mean, they will be. It’s already happening. The Irish and Italians were discriminated and despised and then eventually accepted and integrated into mainstream American society. It’s the American story and so it continues.
Mexican American here: from my perspective it's not even about acting Red...it's about being Anti-black. We don't like to admit that color based racism from Mexico down to South America is very real, so when immigrants come here from those areas and they're NOT black themselves, they try to separate themselves away from Black America and believe they're in the White camp.
It's really sad how so many light skinned conservative immigrants or descendants of immigrants from the global south don't realize white America neither knows or cares about concepts like "mestizo" or "pardo". This country literally had a policy called the "One Drop Rule".
« No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, _you will never be them_. «
Please pray for the teachers in your life, especially high school teachers like me. My students are devastated this morning. I had to start with mental health exercises and yoga to help them decompress. The kids are NOT alright.
To add insult to injury, for the very first time in Trump's career, he won by a majority vote. As opposed to just winning only by the electoral college rules or not winning at all. America, you never fail to disappoint me.
Now’s the time we survive by supporting our community. I’m Chicano and I’m not ignorant of the fact the mass deportation doesn’t just affect the undocumented. This will hurt our families, and even the documented will be harmed explicitly. We need organize and protect our loved ones first and foremost.
I am a disabled white woman. I have voted as left as I could since I turned 18 in 2008. However, I live in a small town in Texas, and again…I am disabled. I can’t leave. So, I sit here, alone in my beliefs, unable to find people like me.
Got back to a Texas city. I always see you guys in that sprawl of red ass counties, always always always, fwiw. I'm sorry you feel alone in this, it's hard stuff. Please take care of yourself.
The isolation when you're disabled is so real and so scary in times like this. So much of the conventional advice is just not possible for us. Sending you so much love and solidarity. I don't have solutions but I see you and I feel seen by this comment.
I have two quotes: “White supremacy is so embedded in the fabric of America that no matter how much ‘progress’ we make, the pendulum will always swing back to its baseline.” Isabelle Wilkerson I repeat my great grandmothers wisdom to me. She was born in 1906 and died when I was 13. “Baby, I know how to keep my peace. I survived the great depresssion with 4 children by making soap and sewing clothes from scratch. Black people have lived through: Slavery Jim Crow The Depression World wars Crack and Reagan If we do right by each other and hold on to each other, we will be alright”
Bro everything you said is true but he is Reagan on steroids. Every president post Reagan has played from his same neoliberal playbook( Obama heavily included) but this guy is a Reagan/Nixon level of evil mixed. Reagan is much closer to W then him and that's incredibly scary
I'm from Denmark. And as one of America's historically closest allies, our prime minister actually addressed the election almost instantly, with a very exhausted look on her face. I'm paraphrasing, but she essentially said, that we (Denmark) need to keep the US-Danish alliance close on the militant side - i.e. NATO - because USA is essential to the victory of Ukraine. But EU needs to become more self-reliant on the industrial and militant side in general. This might seem like trivial politician talk, but it is actually a big shift in our government's outlook on the USA, and is essentially a long term break up.
This I hate that we in Europe haven't learned our lesson either. We've had so many politicians warn us, telling us that we need to look after ourselves and become strong by ourselves too. We had eight years to put that into motion and did almost nothing
My biggest fear is Trump's position as a Russian crony leading us to shift away from NATO and towards the modern Axis of Evil in Russia, NK, UAE, etc. God-forbid he sends military aid to Russia. Russian/Saudi money is so deeply ingrained in our politics it's horrifying.
Denmark? Hijab ban Denmark? Anti-immigrant Denmark? "Zero Asylum Seekers" Denmark? Trump and her are two peas in a pod in terms of policy towards immigrants, so I'm presuming her issue with Trumps anti-Ukraine rhetoric over anything else.
Relatively uninformed white boy, here. I remember fondly the 2016 election (first one I could vote in), and some people I hung around with in high school (also white boys) saying something along the lines of: "We're straight white men, we'll be fine". Now, at the time, I took it as a statement sprinkled with sarcasm. Nowadays I realize they were saying the quiet part out loud.
I still tell myself that because I’m white yet I’m visibly queer. Because at the end of the day while I may not be “fine,” I can still “get away with” a lot more and best case scenario for me is to coast into the back half of my life relatively “free.” Folks like you and me need to use our whiteness to help others best we can
I've said that too for a long time, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Like, this tariff package, throwing the game for Russia, blessing monopolization. I think my white straight family may bleed this time.
@@michaelblakemutschler594This. People are overlooking just how destructive Trump’s tariff plan will be. He almost got us into a trade war with China because of this crap in his first term, and funnily enough it was the one time conservatives started to question him. It’s utterly baffling that he’s doubling down on tariffs, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at this point.
One thing I think you're missing in the Biden/Harris analysis. When Biden was elected, he was riding the overwhelming popularity of the Obama/Biden administration. But now it seems like Harris is being weighed down by the overwhelming unpopularity of the Biden/Harris administration.
I think this is partly true, but people were also extremely angry with trump, and stuck online due to lockdown. The hatred of Trump at the time was incredible and I think a lot of people lost that motivation to vote.
Also the fact that we had mail in voting (in states that don’t always have mail in voting as an option) because of COVID19 probably accounted for the extra 10 million votes or so Biden got. Honestly if covid never happened I think it’s very plausible we could have gotten a second Trump term
Same boat. I want to be here for my community and fight for people, especially since people will need it now more than ever, but it's hard to not go completely doomer here. I'm hoping once I take some time to grieve I can get serious about getting into art to distract myself from just resigning to becoming a ghost of drug and drink, since I know that won't help anybody and would just hurt the people around me. It does hurt to know the world around me isn't my world.
What he said about spite voting is so true. My girlfriend’s dad (Filipino immigrant, no college education but still very high earner) voted trump largely just because a lot of people don’t like him. He didn’t vote trump because of any actual policy, he really only voted trump to be contrarian
I am terrified of the (very real) possibility of Trump’s victory emboldening the far right down here in Brazil and another Bolsonaro-tier guy being pushed.
Latinos can be anything, including white. Someone whose grandparents immigrated from Germany is a white latino. Natives, Afro-Latinos, Latinos whose grandparents came from arab countries like Salma Hayek. Not everyone is what white americans think latino means.
As someone who works in Adult Ed and must do some census for funding, a lot of Latinos are actually classified as "White," but are also given the Ethnicity Latino, so it's like a subset of "white." That's said, we all know how "whiteness" typically works and how it can get revoked.
@laylah150 well yeah obviously, no one here is saying that Latinos can't be white. But firstly, white Latinos do not have the same amount of privilege in America as white Americans/Europeans simply from being Latino, but their proximity to it allows them to align themselves with white supremacy (without realizing American white supremacists do not see them as equal). Secondly, non-afro Latinos still feel proximity to whiteness a lot of the time, also parroting white supremacist talking points, which i believe is what he's referring to in the video
it didnt have to do with just her being a black women. it had to do with democratic party continuously moving to the right, supporting a genocide, and having few material needs they were speaking to for the working class
the real mistake is believing its about US citizens and not propaganda. most humans are bad, we know that, but propaganda is what digs up the bad and tells them its actually good, cause as stupid as it sounds most people who voted for the convict weren't that happy about it, most americans do believe trump is weird but their lifetimes haven't given them reasons to vote for kamala. dems will be doomed as long as this two party system prevails because it makes voting a matter of who can sell the most propaganda; spreading a message of revolution to people individually, as people, is our only chance
White people in US favoring economic stagnation due to it affecting black people is so anti-capitalism too. What a fun bunch, racism over profits they said. Meanwhile the Chinese are behaving in a logical but actually profit maximizing sense. The Chinese were super pumped black people weren't slow like uh culture export had them painted. You make a lot more profits by being a fair lender to productive people since volume is always the target.
“Check on the black women in your life.” This is gospel right here. Had to comfort my wife, got into an argument with her because I felt she was “giving up” and too defeatist, apologize and comforted her all over again because I’m an asshole and I will never know what it felt like to be her last night.
I’m a younger black man (21) so I’m not married just yet but I’ve been with my girlfriend for about three years and she was so scorned watching him win. I’ll never know what that hurt feels like. She’s a woman, AND she’s black so her entire well-being counted on Kamala winning. Ima be there for her as much as I can fs
Thank you for comforting your wife or partner! It shows your level of empathy and understanding for their experience in America. My spouse voted Trump - so we are a house divided…unfortunately
Yeah, my brother-in-law called me to tell me that my big sis cried and damn near collapsed in his arms when he went to comfort her. She was getting my nephew ready for daycare on Wed morning. She is worried about his future as a lil black boy growing up during Trump presidency and how future policies will impact his life.
im not american but when i looked at the voting demographs, much respect to black american voters. consistently on the moral side of history with almost every election, just know you're in the right and the ones who truly understand what those stars and stripes are MEANT to represent. I truly wish you all the best of luck, especially to those who are either disabled or transitioning who rely on medical relief and support. Much love from a south asian in the UK.
The crazy thing is that technically speaking Trump won the black voters (even tho he only got 12% that is much more than any republican president in history) he broke heavy ground in the black male community
Look it's fucked Trump won, but calling voting for her the "moral side of history" is equally fucked, if she won she still would be responsible for a genocide and taking on broad Trump's immigration policy, like let's get real
@@SirZubo Yeah man, Trump just does whatever he can to make people like him. Nevermind the effects it has. The man was president for one term and the world exploded into conflict. He did so much damage to the world, even with him gone, you can't undo the precedent he set. We're doomed to fight hard for the bare minimum.
I literally woke up at 6 to go to school, and i found he won. As soon as I got to school, me and my friend just literally started half joking/half worrying which of our family members would be either deported or lose their jobs. America sucks
Hey man, don't be worried. Im also (assuming) a first gen and all I was thinking about last night, before the vote count started was playing George Carlin. All episodes I've seen play out the same, but at least with George I genuinely laugh and realize I need to do more for my local community. In a very pessimistic light, it's always been the same. I'll gain optimism when we have a third major party, and I can't think of any other biggest wake up call for us. ✊️
@@the77th Most of my family are immigrants/refugees from Ethiopia. most of us live in either Georgia or Texas. Most of us are african/muslim, so we live in communities heavy number of those like us
@@avgaming4093 Eh, youre right. It is just depressing that we live in a fake democracy where we have to pick either a future war criminal or a war crimanal/rapist/racist/tax cheat
We learned that half of the country legitimately couldn’t give a flying ounce of a single atom of a f*ck about anybody else but themselves. I’ve debated, I’ve shown objective facts, I’ve related and have even changed certain views when shown many different perspectives. None of that matters and they don’t care. Any rhetoric to suggest that they do is them outright playing in your face.
That's what really gets me. I knew this country has a really bad issue with the "fck you got mine" attitude but like...I'm floored at how much worse it is than I even realized. I don't know how to fix a lack of empathy. How do you combat apathy??
Therefore, just like apathetic Russians, we will be trapped with a leadership that will mess over all of us at every turn while we sit there and suffer.
Literally was watching a Maga stream during the polling and they started celebrating that legalization of weed in Florida was denied. I don't even smoke weed in fact I don't even like it but the fact that so many people are getting jailed for it seems stupid to me. It's less dangerous than Cigarettes, both to the user and the users close friends and family. I've seen what a man who haven't had his daily dose of Nicotine would do to there own child just for accidently playing with and ruining their last Cigarette. Weed has more benefits than it does issues and the fact that it's illegal boggles my mind
as a black woman who voted for kamala with gritted teeth due to her stances on palestine, this is just heartwrenching and angering. esp knowing there's people who did not vote for her simply due to her being a woman and a black woman. america is sick and i hate that our marginalzied, our children, our Black elders have to bear the brunt of it. i'm drawing upon their strength in these hours
Did people say they did not vote for Kamala because she was a black woman ? If not this is speculation. I mean maybe they are like me and depend on people for transportation. Maybe some of them had other things to do. Or maybe they was also like me and refused to vote for the lessor of two evils. With me I both depend on people for transportation but I also refuse to vote for the lessor of two evils. Like with the war against Palestine I do not support civilians being targeted in a war. Because Kamala supports this war I can not vote for her and do so with a clean conscious. But it's also true Trump does not and will not have my vote either.
@@Raiden-the-Goat32 excuse me but where did i say that all people who didn't vote for her, didn't vote for her because of her race+gender? i'm saying that OF those who didn't vote for, i know there are absolutely people who did not vote for her simply because she's a woman and because she's Black and because she's a Black woman. any denial of that is ludacris. no where in my comment am i shaming those who chose not to vote. de-center yourself before commenting again please
Regardless of why someone chooses not to vote for someone is THEIR RIGHT!!! Y'all Have to stop with that shit 💯 Nothing abt that is sick, its normal "sis"
@@maleekpate6770 It's pretty sick to vote for the dissolution of American democracy. It's not even speculative, this is literally what they talk about, hell they TRIED to do it on more than one occasion. Like how many more times does the man have to say exactly what he wants to do before people start believing him?
It's too late for me, I've already been deported, but please keep fighting for the friends I had to leave behind. They're VERY queer and they're good people and they need y'all to keep fighting. I did my best but they got me and now all I can do is watch. So y'all do that for me, okay? Okay.
Oh God. I’m so, so sorry. I can’t imagine what an awful experience that must’ve been for you. I hope you can find love, peace and safety wherever you are now.
@@denaliagolden You're very kind, I really appreciate it. I'm relatively good now. It's been six years and I'm just about done picking up the pieces. I'm doing what I can in my own country, we've got plenty of problems here too, and I've been told it's not healthy for me to keep following US politics. I try not to. But I'm so, so scared for my friends. They're so goddamn gay and annoying and they really deserve better. You all do. Of all the countries I've lived, the US had the best people by far ❤
Thank you for being one of the few voices to actually bring something to the community after all of this... its much needed on this historical morning....
I had to make myself vote because of the supreme court and not wanting women to lose very basic rights to their own body. It was um... Depressing to vote tbh
I went third party. I couldn't make myself do it. Idk why I was surprised Trump won when even in liberal/democratic circles nobody waned to vote for her, lol.
@@SouthmeriKanI’m glad I was able to do a vote swap with someone in PA (I’m in an R+30+ that mathematically could never flip anyway). I wish people would talk about organizations like swap the vote, because then we could have gotten the votes where it mattered
As for your last comment on FDR, you are correct. Here’s a great quote that summarizes it: “The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” Credited to a pseudonymous commenter, Davis X. Machina, on the blog Balloon Juice.
That doesn't seem to be exclusively American, it's similar here in Germany. There's a huge crowd of people who say "The minimum wage shouldn't be raised, it's almost as high as my hourly wage!" instead of asking why their own wage is barely above a minimum wage that's hardly enough to pay rent.
@@Moshmaschinebecause it’s a human nature thing. We Americans only look inside America to find truths about the world. Civil wars are as old as time, literally brother killing brother. What about human nature explains that? People will hate anyone if they feel threatened. And the threat only has to be psychological (read as: imagined)
You're right about Latinos thinking they're white. I'm half and half, but my extended family that are full all voted for Trump, without fail. Uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins. My parents were the only ones who didn't. It's a sad thing to see, especially knowing how bad things are going to get just for them in the next four years.
Do not be mistaken some Latinos are basically white. If you’ve never been to Latin America do not comment on these things. Racism is very big in Latin America because people are different races just like the USA
Well I mean some of y'all ARE white. Latino is not a race but an ethnicity. Those terms often overlap but they are in fact NOT the same thing. You're not going to convince me that Pitbull and Celia Cruz are the same kind of Cuban. Sorry not sorry.
@@Jakub680 Yup, people don't want to confront that and just assume we are one race. That why people are shocked, shocked that latinos voted for him despite the puerto rico comment. Like what, we aren't all from puerto rico. Hell I would bet that Trump's Latino vote was alot of the white latinos.
We learned that Americans will follow a pdf file grapist to the ends of the earth so long as he's economically popular and the opponent is a woman. We live in a hell state. Also nice Scarlett!!! I have one of those for my guitar :3
exactly, when a vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for a normal black woman politician and her opponent is an out and out fascist, there is nothing she could have done to win. The blandest politician, any rando off the street, should have won without competition. The vote was for the fascism
ok so you didnt learn shit then. Just the same complaints as when Hillary lost. maybe if her of kamala had ANYTHING to offer but endless imperialist war they couldve won. but they didnt. They both spent their whole campaigns arrogantly supporting imperialism despite endless warnings that it would cost them the election. They both offered nothing to the working class to the point where even trumps lies and empty promises resonated more. Im so sick of this "she lost because shes a woman" shit its just not the case. Her being a woman was the only thing that brought out enough votes for her to come as close as she did. If biden had run he wouldve been crushed into dust.
Fr, why would I get Great Value when I can get the quality brand for the same price. They will lose a million times and still be ignorant as to the reason.
It was confirmed that as a black woman I'll never be safe. I have black daughters. My grandmother, mother, myself, and now my daughters will have to fight for human rights. It's never ending.
I’ll continue to fight for your daughters. I have an LGBTQ child and niece, and family members who are part Mexican and Cuban. I fear for my 18 year old niece who is darker than her brother and sister.
I want to be supportive and not be an ass but......Kamala's policies on Gaza and foreign policy In general would have made MANY women of color around the world very unsafe. Obviously trump is worse, but what you're talking about is the TINY bit of privilege/safety all Americans get by being close to the heart of the empire taken away from you, which is totally terrifying, as it was the little bit of protection we all had.
@@Jaggedknife11I fully agree with you but this rhetoric is not helpful. She didn't loose because this nation was too left. She lost because this nation is too right.
@@zigzoga4956 No. Kamala lost precisely because America is far more left wing than her and the democratic establishment. Most people don't vote. People didn't vote for Kamala because her policies were almost identical to Trump's, so no one who fundamentally disagrees with Trump wanted to vote for her. She has the same border policies. She has the same policies on Palestine and the Middle East more generally. Why should I, as a Marxist, want to vote for a fascist like her?
And in California we were yes on raising minimum sentencing, yes on prison slavery, no on rent control, and no on minimum wage increases. For ending the slavery exception, THERE WAS NO OPPO CAMPAIGN. 5 MILLION CALIFORNIANS JUST LIKED IT THE WAY IT WAS.
Just goes to show just how conservative even blue states are in this country. I knew that when Newsom criminalized homelessness. Can’t fix a system that is inherently broken!
@ It’s really fucking gross. Reactionary sentiment and framing is becoming so commonplace it’s just the accepted mainstream narrative for so many issues at this point.
Think about it: most Black people die by age 70. Therefore, for most Black people they will never receive the true benefit of social security. White women live the longest and White men are second. So you work for 40+ years and in the end, if you are Black, you will never reap the fruits of that labor.
People also forget that the Republicans wanted to restrict abortion access, but thankfully the Democrats won, and...abortion access got restricted anyway. It doesn't matter which one of them (Dems or Republicans) holds political power, they get their orders from the money people, the big money people.
@@jaysmith7062 I JUST got my disability approved after a long and unnecessary fight. My mom has been on Social Security since she retired. She's under the delusion that this administration is going to keep Social Security and Medicare. They've been fighting for decades to dump it...and now they will because the gates have been opened for them. Their solution to the elderly and disabled? Throw us off a cliff. Literally. I'm absolutely terrified of what's going to come down the road. It's quiet for now, but it's not going to stay this way for long. I know violence is going to occur very quickly; it's just a matter of what strikes the match...
8:08 Respectfully I completely disagree here. Outside of being attached to a very unpopular administration and being a black woman, her biggest issue was the pivot to center and not getting far enough away from Joe Biden's policies. As you said, she was trying to appeal to the white male moderate but why would those guys ever vote for Kamala when Trump is right there?
And Biden has been bad. The biolab fire in Atlanta (? I have recall issues), the "end" of covid even if it's killing more people than ever with no help, the failure to communicate with his base, etc. Everyone just kept pretending that it was soooooo much better than it is. People have multiple jobs and more struggles, the work force is exhausted, businesses are going above and beyond to screw us over. She couldn't even run on fixing stuff because we all see what's not being fixed.
reminds me of a comment by notian_5548 (or smth like that) above that mentioned white men will be fine and it's clear that apathy from voters killed the system, not just prejudice
Campaigning with the Cheneys' was insane. Who on gods green earth pitched that idea and followed through with it? Nobody really wanted to vote for her. I think race and gender played a much smaller factor than people will say. At the end of the day Kamala stood for nothing besides more of the status quo. The status quo is killing working class people. Trump pays lip service to that frustration and dems just doubled down on being elists.
29:57 as an Afro Latino, many of them are actually white. In the Latino diaspora, we have many Whitinos as I like to call them that benefit from white supremacy. And even the ones that aren’t white, but aren’t Black, assimilate to whiteness so hard that they also benefit from white supremacy as well. That’s why it’s so split.
As a white Latino, I roll my eyes every time my fellow Americans try to tell me I can't be Latino because I'm white. Every square inch of the Americas was dominated by the same white supremacist power structures of African slavery and genocide of the indigenous peoples. Of course white Latinos will have the same conservative political and economic incentives as their WASP American and Canadian counterparts.
As a Mexican, I am very disappointed, but not surprised So many immigrants actually believe they're "one of the good ones" and just nod along when Trump calls us pdfiles and shit The amount of fellow mexicans who hate cuban immigrants where I live is insane, I don't get it at all, it's irrational no matter which way you cut it.
Stay strong, as a strong black woman, and an educator we are going to need you to influence the next generation against their right wing families moral corruption.
I think something we have to remember about this election is that while race and gender do play a significant role in voter turnout, there is likely major dissatisfaction with the current democratic term, and I bet this also had a huge influence on democratic voter hesitancy. People are dissatisfied with Biden’s term on both sides, and Kamala didn’t promise anything new that would persuade or relieve dem voters
@@wokedog1799 Bingo. The US had the single highest growth in GDP% since the pandemic out of all G7 countries. Awesome fact except literally nobody seems to care.
Ever since I reached adulthood, I've known the US is not the country they taught us it is in school. But I still had hope that we could make this country actually great. I had hope things would change for the better in my lifetime. My hope is shattered. Kamala lost big. It wasn't even close. I've completely lost whatever respect I still had for this country.
@@JuVi516dude he annihilated environmental policies. The world cannot wait yet another 4 years for saving. We are so cooked by climate change at this point
Apathy among white suburban dudes has been astronomical. Me and my friends tried so hard to get our peers to turn out and they just couldn’t be fucking bothered. It’s shameful
@@loveydovey3631 Being politically apathetic is not an easy decision. Everyone I know has been beaten into and just resigned. Every 4 years to go and choose between two groups of insider traders involved in a racket to funnel public tax payers into their financial interests
@@CTembo Choosing between the Lesser of Two Evils gets old after a while. You eventually would rather see it burn than compromise your truly held beliefs to SETTLE for more of the same.
This is far too real. I see predominately negative comments toward the political doomer mindset and I get it, but it seems like no one cares to try and understand why that mindset exists. You can’t truly change something you don’t understand.
Even if every single Jill Stein voter in Michigan went for Harris, she still loses the state. There were less than 44K Stein voters and she lost the state by 65K
I also think it's too dangerous to pretend that any government is going to save us. I think we get a little too complacent when democrats win, like we think they're less shady than republicans. I think local efforts are always going to be more reliable and resilient. Pour your resources into local shelters/food banks/free clinics, etc.
America has a masculinity problem. Saying it's sexism isn't strictly wrong but it's a simplification. An insane amount of the country is just drawn to anything they see as aggressively macho. Sucks but that's my takeaway.
Well, I gotta tell you that as a non-American Latina myself. People from Latin America have a history with strongmen so Trump had some advantage in that regard. Moreover they are often religious so that helped Trump as well. So can I see why they voted for him this time.
The thing I’m realizing is that in such an alienated system a lot of these people who are voting out of spite for trump can literally not be reached out to. They don’t have friends, they’re not close with their family, they’re isolated. And those kinds of people focus on what the see online and they focus on the macho nonsense trump tells em and it sounds good, and they don’t have people to help them out of that rut or tell them that it’s wrong because they don’t have strong social relationships. I don’t know how you reach out to people to drag em out of alt right pipeline sorta stuff if they’re completely isolated
White voter apathy got worse, I think, because we weren’t fresh off a Trump presidency. Trump’s actual presidency, COVID especially, was so bad it started to affect people who can usually afford to disengage in politics. But now that hurt isn’t fresh anymore and they didn’t care to vote.
It's very telling when Democrats lost 15 million votes compared to 2020. Trump only lost 3 million but that still didn't matter. There's no blaming leftists or third party candidates or young people for any of this. The country is just deeply racist and fucked up and wants to be under the boot.
@@beccathebruhAnd people had jack sh*t else to do with their time. Big difference recently having been stuck at home for months vs. being overworked and stressed with much less time on your hands to engage politically
Also on Latino voters. One of our most important historical figures is Caesar Chavez. He was an important advocate for farm worker labor and established the largest latino union. And he was terrible on immigration. There’s always been this idea being anti immigration will strengthen our bargaining power for the documented Latinos here. Don’t be surprised about Latinos voted for the mass deporter, our relationship with immigration and labor has been pretty shitty.
It doesn't help that assimilation has worked so well on us. It's going to take a lot to educate but my only hope is that this finally gets the message across, and that we don't cause a lot of pain in the process. Honestly, for the first time in a while, idk whats going to happen.
My daughter’s immigrant friends from counties other than Mexico say their parents are very racist against Mexican immigrants. The kids aren’t and as they went through the US education system had people constantly being racist against them for being “Mexican” even though they were from other countries.
@@alexacarrillo4339Just because people speak the same language doesn’t mean they should speak positive about another country. I speak English yet I could care less about Australians
Those "latino historical figures" are chosen and canonized by the liberal establishment/the Dems. Anti-communism and nationalism is the ideological root of all "minority" representation in the US.
I really love that you reminded people that the New Deal and FDR really only helped everyone that wasn’t black people. I like how you used that as the analogy for progressive policy vs progressive politics
What did we learn? That "reaching out" to conservatives and trying to understand them in order to maintain a populace satisfied with capitalism is a losing battle. That the Far Right is the norm.
I am beyond disappointed in Latinos that voted IN DROVES for Trump. As a Puerto Rican man, I am beyond disappointed that so many Boricuas voted for Trump. Here on the island, it’s the first time in DECADES that the pro-independence party got so many votes… But they lost to the pro-statehood party, against a politician who is openly pro-Trump and has been corrupt for years. Many Boricuas voted for Trump, too, and that pissed me off so much. After all he’s said about Latinos, after that island of floating garbage “joke”… We proved them right. I am beyond lost for words. All we can do is try and work for our communities and survive, but it’s clear that America is full of people willing to screw over everyone else for the promise of low prices. I hate it here, bro.
I swear no one hates Latinos more than ourselves. If it weren't for my Dominican immigrant mom, I wouldn't be able to fathom someone being so vehemently against their own people.
As a Puerto Rican woman I am not surprised one bit that so many of us would vote for that man. Disappointed but not surprised. There has always been a huge vein of patriarchal, authoritarian and anti-intellectual values in the culture and a huge lack of solidarity with others. People will sell each other out for smoke and mirrors.
as a “suburban white male” I decided to vote last minute only for the fact that Kamala’s impact on culture and how people treat each other will be vastly better than trump (duh). But as a reluctant voter, I have to tell you seeing Kamala move right reminded me so much how little of a choice we have when it comes to presidential elections. Both were going to continue to support Israel. The matter is going to spur more terrorism, and maybe even a world war, which is the last thing I want as an able bodied man right now. Both were going to do little to address climate change, which is going to kill us all at some point. Obama & Biden reminded me of the short lived promises for the middle class. Not much suggested that Kamala would be any different. I understand there’s some good that the biden administration did & Kamala is proportionally way better than trump on paper, but as much as you want to diagnose the issue as racism and sexism, there is also a huge issue with the political doomerism and it runs rampant in suburban white males. Someone like me who’s utterly dissatisfied with the system should take responsibility for my political inaction across the board, not just in electing the president but everything else. But understand people like me are still digesting the disilussion with how we were taught in school and my our parents how the system works, and the lack of education we have in how to make change, while at the same time balancing all the other challenges in our lives. Hope this helps & love you all
Well, brother, I can put it like that: "If you wanna win in a casino, you gotta break a casino" Voting won't do a thing, never did. Hopefully americans will get that sooner, so cycle would finally stop
@@WarpPotato I would agree that voting on the president does little to change major core issues. The problem is, neither does not voting. As I said before, political doomerism is a huge issue. It's nearly impossible to make a drastic change to the core issues overnight. Even if it was, the battles we have right now are plenty of small battles, not a huge and quick one. We must have the attitude that we're going to show up and put in the effort to make change. This time, all we had to do was fill in a circle on a piece of paper, and we didn't do it. So now we have a pathological lying criminal who draws fair comparisons to fascist dictators as our president. Congratulations. How's that for doing a thing?
I am Brazilian, and heartbroken for all Americans and scared for Palestine, I am so sorry this is happening to you guys all over again, I am so sorry, your pain is seen and shared all around the world, stay strong.
I'm already worried about Brazil's next election too. Considering that Bolsonaro only lost because of COVID and the election was so close, just like Trump 2020. I'm glad he's Ineligible but the similarities are so big, I fear another insane charismatic leader can emerge in this polarized political scenario
Cruz's major opponent wasn't white and in TX that's giving up votes and you know it. Incumbent R in TX is already uphill to unseat. This election is about ugly truths.
Yeah I work in north Texas. It's like a republican politician could shoot a guys daughter in front of him and he'd still show up and vote red down the ballot. Even if they like his politics, Cruz fucking left when the state needed him most. I don't understand these people.
We have to treat this like a hurricane. We’re prepping for a bad storm. We need to organize, come together as community and hunker down. This two shall pass. My mom used to say, there isn’t an ill that lasts 100 years nor a man that can withstand it. I think we should listen to Alright, Woosah, recalibrate and move forward.
As a Latino who came from Nicaraguan immigrant parents and seeing the behavior and mentality of other latinos, I can vouch that some of them think or want to be white, along with the machismo/misogyny culture of latinos, you’re 100% correct
@@bighancho5351 You think the guy who decorates like he lives at Versailles and the guy who ran a venture capital firm are really going to prioritize making *your* groceries cheaper? Genuinely?
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 Fr, I will never understand people's shock at this election or being disheartened. It was very clear to see from the start that this was trump's revenge tour and like you said, nothing that was broke by Raegan and others.
@@shrim1481that was an experiment to see what they could get away with. This will be his REAL term where he will put everything he wants into law. All three branches of the government is maga now. Y’all really think this is a game? 🤦🏾♀️
"hide your kids, hide your wife" this is going to be ugly, people will be killed by police in the streets during protests in what i fear are large numbers. as proud Jamaican who was brought to Canada as a child, and has been a Canadian citizen for 30 years. i decided to boycott travel to the US during the Irag war, and had moments of willingness to go south during Barack (although i didn't)... this decision will guarantee that I will not travel to the US and spend money directly into your economy. I know that the economy of the nation i live in is inextricably tied to the US, and the white people in Canada culturally closely tied to the US, reflecting its policies and xenophobic views.... its with this knowledge that I know that I'm also endangered from this election. This will not end well.
I think it's fair to point out the racism, but I don't agree that her moving to the center was a good move. You cannot counter far right extremism with centrism.
I was confident Harris would win, too. I now realize I was allowing myself to live in a bubble. I only watched media ridiculing Trump, assuring me he was one step away from a catatonic drool state, that everyone and their mom was out voting for Harris, blah blah. I blame the bubble, I blame every single one of the people there participating with me in it, but most of all I blame myself. We all sat there and got high off our own product, huffed our own farts, and are sitting here with permanent surprised Pikachu face.
@ I appreciate the generous assumption. However I assure you, I was in a bubble, both online and in real life. And I gotta say, your assumption that people that oppose Trump are all intelligent, moral people doesn’t hold in real life.
im at 19:00 and man i cant disagree enough FD. If you look at actual policy polls rather than Politicians, you will see that americans are generally way more progressive than you would think. 60% of americans are pro abortion, 57% are in support of medicare for all, 77% of americans want their state to provide free tuition at Universities. The problem is there is no one to vote for who wants to give that to Americans. This is not a right wing country but the political system is right wing by design
@Villainyjustified its absolutely the same America. The establishment just doesn't want it. Theres a reason why msm had a blackout on Bernie back in 2016. Next election when there's an actual primary you will see the public back the candidate with the more populist platform
Also just look at the donation map for Democratic candidates leading up to the 2020 election. Bernie had widespread support throughout the country. The dems pushed them away. This is simple cause and effect.
Like he said, though, there's a difference between policy and action. It's all well and good to talk about having nice things, right up until you have to vote for someone else to get them.
I'm surprised she did as well as she did only because her campaign cycle started so late. I definitely saw being black, Asian, and a woman all standing in her way for some folks. I'm focusing on local and state laws.
Ngl I know that people will bring up her identity a lot and it's definitely valid, that being said most of the people I know don't like her because she's a cop and supports Israel.
@@pittaaaabreadRespectfully, based on your presence in the comments here, I'm guessing the people around you are not the ones who had a problem with Kamala being black and/or a woman.
Harris ran an awful campaign, which made her identity the least of her issues. It was only competitive because Trump was also running a poor campaign and had multiple failures from his presidency catching up with him. When voters are discussing the lesser of two evils, you know neither candidate is doing a good job. Frankly, I think the U.S. is ready for any race and gender of president. They just have to run a good campaign and be likable.
There's definitely a generational gap between me and y'all at my parents' age (I'm 25). I want to fight and thrive, not just endure. But I understand that me fighting right now could leave to me losing, and if my goal is survival I can fight another day. I think I am conflating endurance with acceptance. I will not accept this. But I can try to live through it. I'm just hoping there will be another election 4 years from now.
It doesn’t matter if there’s an election four years from now. If Trump doesn’t like the results, he will have already made elections basically irrelevant by law. THAT is why we older folks are out of hope.
Almost everyone I’ve spoken to in my home town (Michigan) said something along the lines of “we’re fucked no matter who wins so who cares”. That’s been everyone. Male, female, white, black. It’s like everyone is completely and utterly clueless about anything and everything to do with government, society, fucking life in general. Never been so ashamed of this country.
@@angelganggirlfact was apathy was a factor.. way to many ppl I’ve spoken to looked at our options an checked out. An That’s the Truth of it if you look at the numbers period.
Hello. Swede here, I’m so sorry America, and I’m sorry for humanity. All who can band together must. We must protect the people now directly in the line of fire of Trump. Trans people, immigrants, women, etc. Stand together
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary - then was essentially forced to vote for Clinton. I voted for Bernie in the 2020 primary - then was essentially forced to vote for Biden. Now in 2024 we were basically told: fuck a primary, here's your only option, so I voted for the only option. I feel like my "voice" has been suppressed for the past 3 elections. I'm not saying I'm not gonna vote in the next one, but the DNC has really fucked us, over and over, imo. People saying Trump won cause vibes... you can say the same fucking thing about Kamala. The joyous pandering, the celebrity endorsements, not allowing a Palestinian representative to speak at the convention, endorsements from the Clintons, the Cheneys, etc... so, many, missteps.
THANK YOU! 100% agreee please see my comment (as a democrat) "I dont see how the Dems dont understand their optics issue (as a staunch Democrat) they pander to celebs, the left and pop culture not the every working class. Kamala = Beyonce. Trump = Truck drivers, mc Donalds the everyday worker (OPTICALLY). im a DEM (hate trump) but we have to admit the dems fault at going too left OPTICALLY and not catering the the blue collar workers and people that cant afford eggs. they dont care about Beyonce."
I’m in the same boat. Voting for the only option due to the two party system is soul crushing because even when we do win whatever promises we were told magically disappear
@@NIO623 This is your answer? You're just a party loyalist FREAK, you have nothing to teach the average AND informed voter. Get used to losing, it's gonna keep happening for you.
On top of that, she literally campaigned on the idea that Trump is soft on the border, but we're supposed to be surprised she didn't get Latino votes? She correctly attacked Trump for his racist border wall in 2016, why the fuck did she expect switching that entire perspective was going to win her votes? I flat out refuse to vote for a candidate running on a platform of border control and "the most lethal military in the world", and I'm not alone in that.
Not wrong, but the question I have for people who didn't vote (for her or at all) because of her stance on Palestine is this: In what universe do you think a Trump administration-- same guy that nearly sparked a pocket war with Iran by ordering Soleimani's assassination-- could possibly be *better* for Palestine?
As a black woman I’m simply tired of fighting. I’m going to let people go ahead and have this one for the next four years and if the country goes to complete shit that’s on them.
That’s exactly how I feel. I can slowly feel myself becoming numb ¬ caring anymore because I feel like there’s nothing more I can do. I live in a society that hates women & black people & I just happen to be both of those things. Lucky me
As a white man, I do not feel represented by Trump. Or Harris. I did not vote because I knew there's no chance RFK, the only human capable of empathy who ran, had no chance. He did get half a mil votes though so that's at least hopeful. I've seen the country grow increasingly polarized for three decades. The two corrupt parties will never produce a candidate who gets me to the poll. I sincerely hope that everyone can reach a level of caring more about policy than melanin/gender.
@@xotwistedt8812 I couldn’t agree more it just gets to a point where it’s tiring being a freedom fighter and being on the front lines for everybody, but nobody wants to stand up for you. This term will be taking me from 26 to 30 years old so we will see how it goes🤷🏽♀️
I agree. I’m done. Done warning people, done protesting, done supporting everyone else, definitely done fighting. Just done. I wish I could just move to an island 🙄. Take some time today ladies!
I can't help but go back go to that old quote, "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." Running against a guy who _exclusively runs off of unsubstantiated vibes,_ the worst thing you can possibly do is run a vibes based campaign.
I completely agree with this. You're not going to out-vibe a career bullshit artist. Kamala needed an actionable but aspirational plan with specific goals, needed to campaign that plan 5x harder than she's ever campaigned, and needed to not even interface with Trump, because he's just going to say whatever he feels like in the moment, and she can't match that energy.
In my friend circle, most people didn't vote because even if they disliked the potential for a conservative president, they don't trust the dems to deliver on certain issues. Some also didn't vote because they just don't trust politicians and find both sides to be unappealing. I'm a woman, albeit a white woman so I'm not affected as much as women of color by damaging policies, and all the left leaning men in my life of various ethnicities basically think that all the women worried about this result are being over dramatic. One of my close friends who is even more leftist than I am, told me this morning that I need to not waste my energy being worried about Trump because his ideology will continue to exist whether he won or lost. He's a young white man who labels himself as a socialist, but just can't see my fears. He thinks that both sides won't do what is needed to actually improve the country, so to him it's a moot point. My fiance is Mexican, and he didn't vote despite being anti-Trump. His reasoning was that we live in a red state, so our votes don't matter. I know this is going to sound very white woman of me to be afraid for him, but it feels like I'm more worried about racist policies than he is. None of the people in a couple of my friend groups (predominantly Southeast Asian, Middle Eastern, and Latino) voted because they're just so disaffected by politics that they think it doesn't matter. I hope they're right, and that I am indeed overreacting. Mind you all I've said is that I'm bummed about the results and hope it's not as bad as the worst case scenarios.
God, I feel you. I couldn’t believe how few people around me voted. The guys I know outright said that they ‘didn’t feel anything different’ during different presidencies, so they didn’t care. ????? Yeah, fine for you, but they will just outright tell you that others mean nothing to them. I realize now it was foolish to think people care about others. Not in this country anyway. People are just lazy, callous, and selfish.
Purely anecdotal but a lot of the older Latino generation in and around my family seemed to vote for trump under religious crusade reasons that I can't even begin to understand or fathom. The amount of times I heard "I'm voting for god's will" come out of their mouths was lowkey kinda disgusting. Not even trying to shit on religion, yall do you but this ideology or mentality that church and state should be one is kinda. eugh. I also gotta agree lot of latino's want to so badly be white. So much so that some of my afro rican brothers and sisters would rather say they're hispanic or latino than actually accept themselves as they are. "I no black I dominican" comes to mind. Idk. Stay strong folks. We'll be ight.
According to an ex-evangelical I watched, they think he will bring forth the tribulations that will accelerate Jesus’ return to earth. It’s why so many hard core christians support Israel so much. It’s a precursor for armageddon and the End Times.
@ there were bad kings in the bible, but they were all part of gods plan. If you question it or disobey, you’re going to hell. This is a pre-enlightenment, thought killing theocratic mentality.
Supremacy clause is going to come up. The fugitive slave laws demanding state cooperation were pushed heavily by the people who supposedly believed in the rights of the states.
Agree with everything except one small thing. I definitely think Walz would have gotten more votes just for being a white man. And he's just more likeable and has better vibes. But the thing I'd push back on is her messaging. Obama preached hope and change. His messaging resonated with people despite being a black man with a name like Houssain Obama. I don't think we can ignore that fact. Harris on the other hand did basically nothing to separate herself from Biden when his popularity was already declining. I think one of the bigger challenges Dems have is that they are in fact neocons and therefore it's hard to keep running on hope and change when they have no real desire to give hope and change. I think white people will absolutely go for progressive policy as long as the perception isn't that others are getting more than them. Like I don't think you can run on Medicare for all AND reparations. That's too much. You have to get white men to believe you will improve their material conditions.
I push back on one piece of this. You’re downplaying the factor that race and gender played in the election. Remember, Obama first ran as a mixed race man who focused on hope and change, yes but also slightly condescending messaging to young black men. Even conservatives ate that up with a spoon. Pulling back in your latter points, Kamala’s messaging lacked that “winning strategy” because she was raised as a black woman and didn’t kowtow to a particular group. I for one, am unsympathetic to people who vote against their interests. Progressive policy lifts all boats and with the nonsense that is Project 2025, they’ve doomed the rest of us to a difficult 50 years (cause Alito and Thomas are resigning and they’re undoubtedly going to pick younger justices with the same ideological bent)
@@MiniM69 youre mistaking race with class. Obama's weird right wing condescension is a class issue not a race one. He was pushing right wing "pull yourself up" stuff. Hence why conservatives ate it up. Kamala kowtowed hard to the israel lobby as well and that hurt her chances from the jump. She did not have more integrity than obama she had less if anything.
Commenting for engagement and to say that 1. I am so sorry to all of you who are now in danger, possibly even because of how people close to you voted. I hope you find safety and care in communities that are trustworthy. Please take care as much as you can. Make sure you are as safe as possible. 2. This day is so bad, that even here in Switzerland people are bummed out. Talked to my mum, and she told me that she had never seen anything like it. The way customers came in today was genuinely devistating. And it's the same everywhere here. We're not even in the thick of it all over here, and it's crazy to see how badly people take it. I can't imagine how it must feel for US Citizens who did not want that outcome. I wish you copious amounts of strength. I believe in you
This is a bad take on the election imo. Not saying Kamala being black didn't have an impact, obviously it did. But she didn't provide any reason to vote for her. She was soulless in her campaign. She threw up a middle finger to working class people and said fuck you vote for me he's worse. They had an open net and they missed. Let's get this right please
I'm putting this here because I'm putting this everywhere. We need our own party, our own project 2025. we can't sit here and wait for the shit either. Ask the panthers what they waited for. We've been playing in the ashes for I don't know how long. No more. It's tempting to go numb. Part of why I'm writing this is to fight my own apathy. The ideas are popular, we just need to get out our own bubble. Our own house. (And maybe read up on how the rainbow coalition even worked beyond charisma) I will not let my little siblings inherit ash. I will not let my children and grandchildren inherit ash. No more. We rise.
yeah one of the huge problems rn is a lot of left leaning people just want to vote once a year and make that fix everything. that was never going to fix anything. every single right marginalized people have earned in the us has been through fighting tooth and nail. we just have to keep doing that. i know people are worried about trump and rightly so. but on the bright side, there have been countless hateful and bigoted leaders of all sorts in all sorts of places before. and we're still here. we've fought for our rights before and we can do it again.
@dq8431 that's a great question, and part of why I'm trying to put this in every circle I can. Because I don't know where we start, just that we can't wait any longer.
"If you can't trust yoru neighbors, you need to find a community you can trust." Man, this hit hard. Because it's unfortunate, but true. I'm already going through my friends and seeing who I can't associate with anymore. I get having disagreements, but voting for someone who has made clear they don't care for your feelings or mine...that's a line I can't allow anyone to cross. I can't look at you the same. I can't trust my daughters around you. And if I can't trust them around you, then you're dead to me.
I lived in texas for 5ish years, closest we got to blue was Beto. There was a lot of energy behind him but it's clear that Texas has a "Brand". Its red territory, it's gerrymandered to shit, it thrives off of a large undocumented population being unable to vote and subservient to their economy
Did you vote though *primarily* thinking that Trump's America would be fundamentally dangerous for you or for people you care about? (Even if it's both, I'm curious which one felt/feels more "tangible", for lack of a better term, in your head.)
@ Both, I’m married to a black woman. I’m also socially and economically liberal. The thought of more conservative justices on the Supreme Court made my stomach turn.
I honestly don’t think her being a woman of color really meant much. Maybe 15/20% of people sure but just talk to the everyday person. Most people across the board are over the democrats and how they’ve ran the ship.
@@GodofPainBelial I think I'm gonna have to skip Thanksgiving for the first time this year. I won't be able to keep my cool around my dying grandpa and I'd hate for that to be our last interaction. I just feel betrayed.
@@HeckYep yeah, I have a dad who I know voted blue but I also know he’ll joke and say “I’m a white land owning male! This won’t affect me” and the fact that he’s right WHILE ALSO having an entire lineage of biracial/Black people makes me sick physically and emotionally. So I won’t be reaching out. Ever. NC
I live in rural texas where all the latinos that vote for trump are. If you look up my city odessa on the census it says that it is 75% latino white. This isn't because there is an abundance of white passing latinos in my area, but that everyone here WANTS to be white and puts that they are white despite having melanin levels closer to mine. They are all voting for trump and this should be recognized as a common factor among such communities.
i think its important to remember bidens campaign promised a 15$/hr min wage, canceling student debt, tackling climate change etc. and kamalas campaign basically said yea we didnt do that and we wont. hard to get excited over a campaign that basically promised a repeat of the last 4 years. still im very upset and concerned i wont be able to get estrogen in the near future, all of my trans and black friends are at their worst rn.
@@melsaint8616i didnt say trump ran a better campaign, most of his supporters couldnt care less about his promises. the past few elections have shown its not about getting republicans to support a democrat its about getting a big enough turnout, this election had over 10 million less voters than the last one
As a white dude I don’t wanna discount the idea that racism and sexism played a role in this but can’t help but point out a lot of the most racist ppl I know voted for Obama twice. Honestly seems like the main reason she lost is that she tried to be diet trump while running against actual trump, I feel like all the “moderates” she was tryna court were just trump supporters who didn’t wanna admit it out loud so obvi they just voted for trump. When looking at the reason that trumps numbers stayed basically the same while a bunch of ppl who voted for Biden didn’t vote for Harris, imo the two main reasons were 1) Biden only got that much support bc of how bad covid had gotten right before the election and 2) Kamala tried to appeal to right wingers instead of her own base, and ppl who want to see trumps policies enacted are just gonna vote for trump. Open to being told I’m a dumbass tho that’s just how it seemed to me
As a "white" woman, I am so angry that other white women truly do not see that white supremacy DOES NOT HELP WHITE WOMEN. Donald Trump does not give a shit about white women or what is best for us. And yet, white women showed up for the Trump ticket in droves. I just...cannot. I'm so angry and just want to shake these women by the shoulders, but I know that soft influence has a far better effect. I used to be registered Republican because it was a good way to have conversations with Republicans in my neighborhood and not have them immediately shut down emotionally. I don't know why I'm commenting this on the internet, as there might be some McCarthy-esque bullshit in the near future. FD, thank you for being my safe space even though I know this channel is not "for" me. Many thanks to this community, and to Olay's community as well. 💚💙💜
@@harlequinheart3 I'm "white", and I insist on doing that - personally, because I don't think human races exist. That is, they don't exist as anything else other than artificial social classifications by which to divide and conquer/rule people, and I don't want to buy into or support that framework.
I'm a white man who falls right in trumps main demographic. It's so depressing that my peers can't see trump for what he is. I have had so much dread today. Its indescribable. I feel like we lost any possible way to correct course and save this country
Too be fair that was 2008 Obama. The problem is they never keep on doing that and seem to overestimate how much people were disappointed by the end of the Obama years.
Then you would get a steaming face-full of the reality that America clearly isn't all that progressive, and that the goalposts were always made of styrofoam.
As a Latino male in Pennsylvania, I'm pretty miserable over the whole thing. Like damn, we had such a red wave here, so many Republicans won their respective elections. I'm sure if the governor's race was this year, a Republican would've won. If Fetterman/Oz happened this year, Oz would win.
its actually scary how things turned out. im a white queer woman in PA too and im so scared about reproduction rights and just overall audacity of people. I already see people i went to high school with dropping slurs on their stories telling 'liberals' to watch out.. I feel so crushed
I’m sorry FD but I firmly disagree with a lot of what’s being said here. Sure, misogynoir is a factor in her loss but it really does not account for the fact that the economy was a paramount issue for many voters and Trump is a populist. I mean, just this year Claudia Sheinbaum was elected the first woman president of Mexico as I’m sure you know, and Mexican culture contains a bevy of misogynistic aspects (not a value judgement, as I don’t necessarily think Mexican culture is any more misogynistic than others… just that it isn’t any less misogynistic either). Likewise, she’s a Jew who ran in a majority Catholic country. Plus we have to acknowledge the fact that people voted for a black woman (Ilhan Omar) in Minnesota but voted Stein in first place for president, with Harris and Trump coming in after, in that order. Thus, Gaza is an issue as well. So despite her identity, I think Harris was completely electable. That being said, if we look to the Bernie campaign, he did better than Harris with the minority groups that Trump saw gains with. It’s clear that people are highly concerned with the cost of living across demographics. When you say that this country is simply just right-wing or going through some sort of rightward shift, I agree to an extent, but we have to acknowledge that this is just speculation. Let’s not neglect the fact that Trump received fewer votes overall than he did in 2020, meaning less people overall are siding with his message. If anything, I would say that this combined with lower turnout compared to 2020 conveys apathy among voters rather than right-wing bigotry/vitriol. I am witnessing a lot of very de-spiriting conversations on the internet right now, mired with cynicism and blaming of our neighbors. We need to hold one another accountable but I find your positions overly punitive toward the average voter and overly generous to what was clearly a wack-ass campaign. I mean, they were eating with the “weird” stuff, and then randomly the Harris campaign staff decides that’s “too mean” when we are literally supposed to be fighting for things like bodily autonomy. If these people are truly your enemy, you wouldn’t concern yourself to that degree with decorum. I am sick and tired of the Democrats as well as the left always being the ones who are forced to come to the table when it comes to these issues. Whatever concessions we make, it will never be enough. If voters are as socially conservative as you suggest and the choice is between a centrist and a true right winger, why would they go for the knockoff rather than the real deal?
Uh, for the record, Minnesotan who voted for Ilhan here, and we absolutely did not vote for Stein over Harris. Especially with Walz on the ticket. Idk where on earth you got that from, but the actual vote totals for Hennepin County, which Ilhan represents, had Stein getting ~5K votes vs Kamala getting ~500K. Also, Ilhan herself, even while criticizing the Biden admin over Gaza, still endorsed Kamala.
@ my mistake. I heard some statistics coming out of the Midwest with certain areas going for Stein at higher rates but I can’t find a source right now. So I am willing to concede that point.
@@fiel81not related to what op's reason could be but yeah as fd mentioned, a large number of Latinos voted for tr*mp prolly because they think they are white or they are in fact yt Latinos...
@ I live in CO and a big theme was the Venezuelan immigrants “they’re getting free money”, “they’re gonna take over” it’s fucking stupid clueless arguments and conspiracy thrown in. As well as the Harris campaign not actually offering anything of substance
@@fiel81 Not OP, but a lot of Latinos came fleeing from poverty (largely caused by U.S. sanctions btw) in communist dictatorships and immediately buy into the "Democrats are communists" bs rhetoric that Trump -and Reps in general- pushes, and instinctively vote against them. They believe Trump will be extra hard on their countries' government, helping to push the current regime out so they'll be able to return. Ofc this is untrue and these beliefs stem from ignorance. Ignorance that's unfortunately left unadressed by most political actors...except for the Republicans, who actively feed into it and have been doing so for decades.
That people are acting like Kamala had to run a perfect campaign against a guy who did and said things that would have disqualify anyone else 10x over says all that needs to be said about this country today. Face it. This country is taking a sharp right turn and we're helplessly going along for the ride. I'm done caring about politics now and embracing apathy. Good luck. We will all need it.
If it's true that millions people didn’t vote because of the Gaza, it is what it is. Though people also didn’t think about the fact that Gaza aren't the only people put in peril with Republicans, now immigrants, Trans people and others will have their livelihoods affected and damaged. On top of that the Republicans have a trifecta. It what it is.
Not a god damn thing
Truth right here.
Facts
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Yup
Suffering, all around.
30:20 "nobody hates immigrants more then an immigrant who made it" actually so true from my personal encounters (especially from my eastern euro family)
I mean what is American history if not just that concept played out in nation form?
I immediately thought of "our" FL governor Ron DeSantis. I could never understand why he stands behind such discriminating politics concerning his own people. THIS is the only thing that makes sense.
@@peace_of_candiron has never presented latino or been comfortable in his own latino heritage
like 60%+ of Latinos voted for trump same can be said with muslims and arabs and so on .
Indians too like look at Vance's wife.......
Im worried for the education system. America cant afford to get any stupider
It's about to get 100% fascist.
WA Won the most important election, our Superintendent of Instruction will NOT be this new Republican Anti-mask/Anti-DEI hooligan thankfully. I hear you though, one school year at a time, keep your head up!
Oh but we are
It will
Too late. Shit is about to get real. Elections have consequences
To quote Bernie Sanders.
It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them.
While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change.
And they’re right.
I sometimes wonder how Bernie’s America would have been
The question is what have the republicans given them besides lip service?
@@soundsaboutright--- thats the thing, the dems didnt even give lip service. They just justified republican positions and hoped voters would ignore that and still vote for them
This was the most union friendly presidency in history. You all are just angry and not that smart. Also, please name the last piece of legislation that Bernie has passed in his, what, 20 years, of squatting in the Senate. He should put up or shut up.
@@soundsaboutright---The republicans at least give their side hope. Trump promises that everything wrong is because of immigrants and lgbtq people and that he will get rid of them.
The democrats say everything is fine as is. Dems had no selling points besides “I’m not Donald trump”.
No one is going to be passionate about that.
White suburban male voter here. I live in suburbs of Philadelphia. Traditionally very blue areas. My polling location was emptyyyyy. That was not the case in 2020. The writing was on the wall before the polls closed. I knew suburban PA Dems weren't voting.
I'm in Georgia and felt the same way yesterday. I was literally the only person at my location, as soon as I walked out I knew something was wrong.
thank you for trying.
@@formless_devsame, one person ahead of me and one behind. Felt off 🤦🏼♂️
Same in Austin. No lines.
I think youre bang on the Money on dems moving further right. Thats whats been Happening in plenty european countries. Over Here in the UK, Labor has been doing it. The Center right in my Home Country has been doing it in an attempt to poach voters from the far right. It doesnt tend to Work. But it wont Matter, they still Take that lesson every time
Vote locally people. This is not the only election that matters.
You’re godamn right
That’s the takeaway here!! This comment needs to be pinned
This should have been the conversation as soon as Kamala was appointed the nominee.
I did, and the corporations still fucking won. Californians voted to keep legalized slavery for incarcerated people. Shits fuckin depressing
@@PapaMidnite__ seemed like common sense to me as well, but maybe this is a wake up call for some
random but i implore everyone to get rid of Twitter. trust me youll feel better. it doesnt do any good and today especially ive seen the most disgusting stuff imaginable
Yeah twitter is a cesspool
@@TheSmilesIt is also a distraction
I would agree. I said no to Twitter when it showed up (I was a hater of MySpace and Facebook when those first showed up too) and I have been emboldened that my decision to completely avoid those sites was the best thing I’ve done in my life.
I literally deactivated early this morning, that blow fish demon isn’t getting my anything
@calumhouston3308 it's only a distraction if you are weak minded. Go do something more productive I promise you'll be happier
I’m a first generation Colombian American. Born in raised in California, let me tell you you I was surprised how many of my Latino friends turned on their own these last 8+ years. I think that they think if they vote Red, act Red, they’ll be accepted. A lot of them are light skinned Latinos who think they’ll be the next Italian/Irish ethnicity to get picked to join the “white coalition”.
I mean, they will be. It’s already happening. The Irish and Italians were discriminated and despised and then eventually accepted and integrated into mainstream American society. It’s the American story and so it continues.
Mexican American here: from my perspective it's not even about acting Red...it's about being Anti-black. We don't like to admit that color based racism from Mexico down to South America is very real, so when immigrants come here from those areas and they're NOT black themselves, they try to separate themselves away from Black America and believe they're in the White camp.
It's really sad how so many light skinned conservative immigrants or descendants of immigrants from the global south don't realize white America neither knows or cares about concepts like "mestizo" or "pardo". This country literally had a policy called the "One Drop Rule".
« No matter how much you want to dye your hair blonde and put fake eyes in, or follow an anorexic standard of beauty, or no matter how many diamonds you buy from people who exploit your own brutally to get them, no matter what kind of car you drive or what kind of fancy clothes you put on, _you will never be them_. «
@@mist9818 Immortal Technique fan eh? Nice
Please pray for the teachers in your life, especially high school teachers like me. My students are devastated this morning. I had to start with mental health exercises and yoga to help them decompress.
The kids are NOT alright.
As a public education professional, I’d also say to pray for our livelihoods and system…because they are dying to cut public education down to nothing
Not just pray, help these kids out!
Lmfao
@@getoffmygrass4857why you laughing at kids genuinely being scared of the possible ramifications of a trump presidency?
That’s funny
To add insult to injury, for the very first time in Trump's career, he won by a majority vote. As opposed to just winning only by the electoral college rules or not winning at all.
America, you never fail to disappoint me.
Am I being naive by thinking it was rigged?😢
@@zvengeancezealot3540 no that’s fair. They did try very hard to rig the election. Though, that’s not quite how they won
@@zvengeancezealot3540
Yep
You hatw America ? You can always go back just like how you said you would if trump wins.
@@zvengeancezealot3540nope
Now’s the time we survive by supporting our community. I’m Chicano and I’m not ignorant of the fact the mass deportation doesn’t just affect the undocumented. This will hurt our families, and even the documented will be harmed explicitly.
We need organize and protect our loved ones first and foremost.
It literally won't...what are you talking about
@@johnjr578 What are you talking about??!
Nobody cares lol
@@SE-gs6gd A lot of people clearly care
This is why I no longer was supporting Trump heavily because this is a reality.
I am a disabled white woman. I have voted as left as I could since I turned 18 in 2008. However, I live in a small town in Texas, and again…I am disabled. I can’t leave. So, I sit here, alone in my beliefs, unable to find people like me.
Got back to a Texas city. I always see you guys in that sprawl of red ass counties, always always always, fwiw. I'm sorry you feel alone in this, it's hard stuff. Please take care of yourself.
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The isolation when you're disabled is so real and so scary in times like this. So much of the conventional advice is just not possible for us. Sending you so much love and solidarity. I don't have solutions but I see you and I feel seen by this comment.
I have two quotes: “White supremacy is so embedded in the fabric of America that no matter how much ‘progress’ we make, the pendulum will always swing back to its baseline.” Isabelle Wilkerson
I repeat my great grandmothers wisdom to me. She was born in 1906 and died when I was 13.
“Baby, I know how to keep my peace. I survived the great depresssion with 4 children by making soap and sewing clothes from scratch.
Black people have lived through:
Slavery
Jim Crow
The Depression
World wars
Crack and
Reagan
If we do right by each other and hold on to each other, we will be alright”
Whyt men will always hold on tight to power.
@@beewest5704 *White men and women*
We gon be alright
Bro everything you said is true but he is Reagan on steroids. Every president post Reagan has played from his same neoliberal playbook( Obama heavily included) but this guy is a Reagan/Nixon level of evil mixed. Reagan is much closer to W then him and that's incredibly scary
Social progress is an illusion
I'm from Denmark. And as one of America's historically closest allies, our prime minister actually addressed the election almost instantly, with a very exhausted look on her face. I'm paraphrasing, but she essentially said, that we (Denmark) need to keep the US-Danish alliance close on the militant side - i.e. NATO - because USA is essential to the victory of Ukraine. But EU needs to become more self-reliant on the industrial and militant side in general. This might seem like trivial politician talk, but it is actually a big shift in our government's outlook on the USA, and is essentially a long term break up.
This
I hate that we in Europe haven't learned our lesson either. We've had so many politicians warn us, telling us that we need to look after ourselves and become strong by ourselves too.
We had eight years to put that into motion and did almost nothing
The divorce is going to be rough but necessary for you in the EU (I wish I was still in the EU but BREXIT happened)
@@FreyrDK you were all fools to ever trust us
My biggest fear is Trump's position as a Russian crony leading us to shift away from NATO and towards the modern Axis of Evil in Russia, NK, UAE, etc. God-forbid he sends military aid to Russia. Russian/Saudi money is so deeply ingrained in our politics it's horrifying.
Denmark? Hijab ban Denmark? Anti-immigrant Denmark? "Zero Asylum Seekers" Denmark? Trump and her are two peas in a pod in terms of policy towards immigrants, so I'm presuming her issue with Trumps anti-Ukraine rhetoric over anything else.
Relatively uninformed white boy, here. I remember fondly the 2016 election (first one I could vote in), and some people I hung around with in high school (also white boys) saying something along the lines of: "We're straight white men, we'll be fine". Now, at the time, I took it as a statement sprinkled with sarcasm. Nowadays I realize they were saying the quiet part out loud.
I still tell myself that because I’m white yet I’m visibly queer. Because at the end of the day while I may not be “fine,” I can still “get away with” a lot more and best case scenario for me is to coast into the back half of my life relatively “free.” Folks like you and me need to use our whiteness to help others best we can
It will be the connection between you and an immigrant like me to save this shit.
I've said that too for a long time, but now I'm not so sure anymore. Like, this tariff package, throwing the game for Russia, blessing monopolization. I think my white straight family may bleed this time.
They won't be feeling fine if the architects of Project 2025 succeed in banning porn.
@@michaelblakemutschler594This. People are overlooking just how destructive Trump’s tariff plan will be. He almost got us into a trade war with China because of this crap in his first term, and funnily enough it was the one time conservatives started to question him. It’s utterly baffling that he’s doubling down on tariffs, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at this point.
One thing I think you're missing in the Biden/Harris analysis.
When Biden was elected, he was riding the overwhelming popularity of the Obama/Biden administration. But now it seems like Harris is being weighed down by the overwhelming unpopularity of the Biden/Harris administration.
Biden only won due to covid, lets stop deluding ourselves
I think this is partly true, but people were also extremely angry with trump, and stuck online due to lockdown. The hatred of Trump at the time was incredible and I think a lot of people lost that motivation to vote.
Also the fact that we had mail in voting (in states that don’t always have mail in voting as an option) because of COVID19 probably accounted for the extra 10 million votes or so Biden got.
Honestly if covid never happened I think it’s very plausible we could have gotten a second Trump term
Trying not to be a doomer but damn this is just gut wrenching. No words
Any optimism I had feels so hopeless now
Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for you
@@righteousrawb7225 for me? Why?
remember there are people who feel like you do.
Same boat. I want to be here for my community and fight for people, especially since people will need it now more than ever, but it's hard to not go completely doomer here. I'm hoping once I take some time to grieve I can get serious about getting into art to distract myself from just resigning to becoming a ghost of drug and drink, since I know that won't help anybody and would just hurt the people around me. It does hurt to know the world around me isn't my world.
What he said about spite voting is so true. My girlfriend’s dad (Filipino immigrant, no college education but still very high earner) voted trump largely just because a lot of people don’t like him. He didn’t vote trump because of any actual policy, he really only voted trump to be contrarian
Thats horseshit. He won the popular vote. He wasn’t “being contrarian”, he just took the mask off.
“I’m just one vote.”
I'll admit i did the same. Not proud of it but it is what it is.
@@Dayethoven be ready for all you asked for
@@Dayethoven you're right, you shouldn't be proud.
As a Latino (Brazilian) when you said “Latinos think they’re white” I started fr clapping, you are unfortunately SO RIGHT
I am terrified of the (very real) possibility of Trump’s victory emboldening the far right down here in Brazil and another Bolsonaro-tier guy being pushed.
Latinos can be anything, including white. Someone whose grandparents immigrated from Germany is a white latino. Natives, Afro-Latinos, Latinos whose grandparents came from arab countries like Salma Hayek. Not everyone is what white americans think latino means.
@@itsybitsycherry Especially because Lula is losing popularity even with his base
As someone who works in Adult Ed and must do some census for funding, a lot of Latinos are actually classified as "White," but are also given the Ethnicity Latino, so it's like a subset of "white." That's said, we all know how "whiteness" typically works and how it can get revoked.
@laylah150 well yeah obviously, no one here is saying that Latinos can't be white. But firstly, white Latinos do not have the same amount of privilege in America as white Americans/Europeans simply from being Latino, but their proximity to it allows them to align themselves with white supremacy (without realizing American white supremacists do not see them as equal). Secondly, non-afro Latinos still feel proximity to whiteness a lot of the time, also parroting white supremacist talking points, which i believe is what he's referring to in the video
it didnt have to do with just her being a black women. it had to do with democratic party continuously moving to the right, supporting a genocide, and having few material needs they were speaking to for the working class
I'm just so exhausted bro. In a way it feels like a punishment for my optimism and hope in humanity.
don't give up. not giving up is all we can do right now.
No ood deed goes unpunished
Same. Knowledge feeling like a curse rn. The approval of someone who was fully responsible for Jan 6th is… hope-destroying, honestly.
@@XCeazyXI'm giving up for today, see y'all out there tomorrow. But if this doesn't get people to mobilize, idk what will
the real mistake is believing its about US citizens and not propaganda. most humans are bad, we know that, but propaganda is what digs up the bad and tells them its actually good, cause as stupid as it sounds most people who voted for the convict weren't that happy about it, most americans do believe trump is weird but their lifetimes haven't given them reasons to vote for kamala. dems will be doomed as long as this two party system prevails because it makes voting a matter of who can sell the most propaganda; spreading a message of revolution to people individually, as people, is our only chance
Best thing about being Black in America, we know how to keep on keeping on. This outcome only solidfy what I already knew about this country.
www.archives.gov/electoral-college/about
Read this and realize no one has a choice in the elections
Stay safe brother ✊🏾
Sad but true.
White people in US favoring economic stagnation due to it affecting black people is so anti-capitalism too. What a fun bunch, racism over profits they said. Meanwhile the Chinese are behaving in a logical but actually profit maximizing sense. The Chinese were super pumped black people weren't slow like uh culture export had them painted. You make a lot more profits by being a fair lender to productive people since volume is always the target.
Based
“Check on the black women in your life.” This is gospel right here. Had to comfort my wife, got into an argument with her because I felt she was “giving up” and too defeatist, apologize and comforted her all over again because I’m an asshole and I will never know what it felt like to be her last night.
I had to comfort my wife too. It's scary for all of us but especially for them. Good you admitted you were wrong.
I’m a younger black man (21) so I’m not married just yet but I’ve been with my girlfriend for about three years and she was so scorned watching him win. I’ll never know what that hurt feels like. She’s a woman, AND she’s black so her entire well-being counted on Kamala winning. Ima be there for her as much as I can fs
Thank you for comforting your wife or partner! It shows your level of empathy and understanding for their experience in America. My spouse voted Trump - so we are a house divided…unfortunately
Yeah, my brother-in-law called me to tell me that my big sis cried and damn near collapsed in his arms when he went to comfort her. She was getting my nephew ready for daycare on Wed morning. She is worried about his future as a lil black boy growing up during Trump presidency and how future policies will impact his life.
im not american but when i looked at the voting demographs, much respect to black american voters. consistently on the moral side of history with almost every election, just know you're in the right and the ones who truly understand what those stars and stripes are MEANT to represent. I truly wish you all the best of luck, especially to those who are either disabled or transitioning who rely on medical relief and support. Much love from a south asian in the UK.
I really appreciate your words
The crazy thing is that technically speaking Trump won the black voters (even tho he only got 12% that is much more than any republican president in history) he broke heavy ground in the black male community
Look it's fucked Trump won, but calling voting for her the "moral side of history" is equally fucked, if she won she still would be responsible for a genocide and taking on broad Trump's immigration policy, like let's get real
Thank you for this
Lol like Harris is moral
I didn't think she would win, but I did hope. I did hope.
Same, back in 2016 it did not think Hillary would win, and it felt worse once those feelings were confirmed. Here we are again. FFS
@@BenjaminSpider Hillary could have change shii fr. Donald Trump being president again is the worst case scenario for the entire world
I hope.
-Red, Shawshank Redemption
@@SirZubo Yeah man, Trump just does whatever he can to make people like him. Nevermind the effects it has. The man was president for one term and the world exploded into conflict. He did so much damage to the world, even with him gone, you can't undo the precedent he set. We're doomed to fight hard for the bare minimum.
Well she did everything in her power to lose. Woman could have taken a basic public speaking course at a community college
I literally woke up at 6 to go to school, and i found he won. As soon as I got to school, me and my friend just literally started half joking/half worrying which of our family members would be either deported or lose their jobs. America sucks
Hey man, don't be worried. Im also (assuming) a first gen and all I was thinking about last night, before the vote count started was playing George Carlin.
All episodes I've seen play out the same, but at least with George I genuinely laugh and realize I need to do more for my local community. In a very pessimistic light, it's always been the same. I'll gain optimism when we have a third major party, and I can't think of any other biggest wake up call for us. ✊️
hope it stays as just jokes for yall for as long as possible
Where is your family from ?
@@the77th Most of my family are immigrants/refugees from Ethiopia. most of us live in either Georgia or Texas. Most of us are african/muslim, so we live in communities heavy number of those like us
@@avgaming4093 Eh, youre right. It is just depressing that we live in a fake democracy where we have to pick either a future war criminal or a war crimanal/rapist/racist/tax cheat
We learned that half of the country legitimately couldn’t give a flying ounce of a single atom of a f*ck about anybody else but themselves. I’ve debated, I’ve shown objective facts, I’ve related and have even changed certain views when shown many different perspectives. None of that matters and they don’t care. Any rhetoric to suggest that they do is them outright playing in your face.
They don't even care about themselves. These tariffs about to eat they asses up.
That's what really gets me. I knew this country has a really bad issue with the "fck you got mine" attitude but like...I'm floored at how much worse it is than I even realized. I don't know how to fix a lack of empathy. How do you combat apathy??
Therefore, just like apathetic Russians, we will be trapped with a leadership that will mess over all of us at every turn while we sit there and suffer.
I swear someone has said this exact thing somewhere else.
But you are right and should be repeated.
Literally was watching a Maga stream during the polling and they started celebrating that legalization of weed in Florida was denied.
I don't even smoke weed in fact I don't even like it but the fact that so many people are getting jailed for it seems stupid to me. It's less dangerous than Cigarettes, both to the user and the users close friends and family. I've seen what a man who haven't had his daily dose of Nicotine would do to there own child just for accidently playing with and ruining their last Cigarette.
Weed has more benefits than it does issues and the fact that it's illegal boggles my mind
"Another Bernie Sanders" bruh they won't even let actual Bernie Sanders anywhere near a nomination 😭
as a black woman who voted for kamala with gritted teeth due to her stances on palestine, this is just heartwrenching and angering. esp knowing there's people who did not vote for her simply due to her being a woman and a black woman. america is sick and i hate that our marginalzied, our children, our Black elders have to bear the brunt of it. i'm drawing upon their strength in these hours
Did people say they did not vote for Kamala because she was a black woman ?
If not this is speculation.
I mean maybe they are like me and depend on people for transportation.
Maybe some of them had other things to do.
Or maybe they was also like me and refused to vote for the lessor of two evils.
With me I both depend on people for transportation but I also refuse to vote for the lessor of two evils.
Like with the war against Palestine I do not support civilians being targeted in a war.
Because Kamala supports this war I can not vote for her and do so with a clean conscious.
But it's also true Trump does not and will not have my vote either.
@@Raiden-the-Goat32 excuse me but where did i say that all people who didn't vote for her, didn't vote for her because of her race+gender? i'm saying that OF those who didn't vote for, i know there are absolutely people who did not vote for her simply because she's a woman and because she's Black and because she's a Black woman. any denial of that is ludacris. no where in my comment am i shaming those who chose not to vote. de-center yourself before commenting again please
Regardless of why someone chooses not to vote for someone is THEIR RIGHT!!! Y'all Have to stop with that shit 💯 Nothing abt that is sick, its normal "sis"
AMEN
@@maleekpate6770 It's pretty sick to vote for the dissolution of American democracy. It's not even speculative, this is literally what they talk about, hell they TRIED to do it on more than one occasion. Like how many more times does the man have to say exactly what he wants to do before people start believing him?
It's too late for me, I've already been deported, but please keep fighting for the friends I had to leave behind. They're VERY queer and they're good people and they need y'all to keep fighting. I did my best but they got me and now all I can do is watch. So y'all do that for me, okay? Okay.
Oh God. I’m so, so sorry. I can’t imagine what an awful experience that must’ve been for you. I hope you can find love, peace and safety wherever you are now.
@@denaliagolden You're very kind, I really appreciate it. I'm relatively good now. It's been six years and I'm just about done picking up the pieces. I'm doing what I can in my own country, we've got plenty of problems here too, and I've been told it's not healthy for me to keep following US politics. I try not to. But I'm so, so scared for my friends. They're so goddamn gay and annoying and they really deserve better. You all do. Of all the countries I've lived, the US had the best people by far ❤
@@clementinedanger Jesus. What a truly moving comment. I am sorry for what’s happened to you.
Okay
@@clementinedangeryou read like a Trump supporter mocking the left. I hope you’re real
Thank you for being one of the few voices to actually bring something to the community after all of this... its much needed on this historical morning....
I'm so damn tired of waking up to these historical mornings
His assessment was weak though. He is too comfortable economically to understand how badly people are suffering.
Yep all my usual favorites are crickets this morning
historical mourning*
“I voted for Kamala …I didn’t want to …” you answered your own question, others just stayed home.
I had to make myself vote because of the supreme court and not wanting women to lose very basic rights to their own body. It was um... Depressing to vote tbh
I went third party. I couldn't make myself do it. Idk why I was surprised Trump won when even in liberal/democratic circles nobody waned to vote for her, lol.
@I don’t find that funny I find it sad especially people like you who think third party who only show up for presidential elections earned your vote
@@SouthmeriKanI’m glad I was able to do a vote swap with someone in PA (I’m in an R+30+ that mathematically could never flip anyway). I wish people would talk about organizations like swap the vote, because then we could have gotten the votes where it mattered
@@CompComp she ran a campaign with Liz Cheney… doubt she cares about women’s issues as she claims.
As for your last comment on FDR, you are correct. Here’s a great quote that summarizes it:
“The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.”
Credited to a pseudonymous commenter, Davis X. Machina, on the blog Balloon Juice.
That doesn't seem to be exclusively American, it's similar here in Germany. There's a huge crowd of people who say "The minimum wage shouldn't be raised, it's almost as high as my hourly wage!" instead of asking why their own wage is barely above a minimum wage that's hardly enough to pay rent.
@@Moshmaschinebecause it’s a human nature thing. We Americans only look inside America to find truths about the world. Civil wars are as old as time, literally brother killing brother. What about human nature explains that? People will hate anyone if they feel threatened. And the threat only has to be psychological (read as: imagined)
@@Moshmaschine It's most certainly not exclusively American. Americans like believing in American Exceptionalism though
and yet the democrats continue to court them and lose, odd.
@@Moshmaschine It's core to our national identity, probably not the case in Germany but idk
You're right about Latinos thinking they're white. I'm half and half, but my extended family that are full all voted for Trump, without fail. Uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins. My parents were the only ones who didn't. It's a sad thing to see, especially knowing how bad things are going to get just for them in the next four years.
That census got yahll messed up lol
Lol
Do not be mistaken some Latinos are basically white. If you’ve never been to Latin America do not comment on these things. Racism is very big in Latin America because people are different races just like the USA
Well I mean some of y'all ARE white. Latino is not a race but an ethnicity. Those terms often overlap but they are in fact NOT the same thing. You're not going to convince me that Pitbull and Celia Cruz are the same kind of Cuban. Sorry not sorry.
@@Jakub680 Yup, people don't want to confront that and just assume we are one race. That why people are shocked, shocked that latinos voted for him despite the puerto rico comment. Like what, we aren't all from puerto rico. Hell I would bet that Trump's Latino vote was alot of the white latinos.
We learned that Americans will follow a pdf file grapist to the ends of the earth so long as he's economically popular and the opponent is a woman. We live in a hell state. Also nice Scarlett!!! I have one of those for my guitar :3
exactly, when a vote for Kamala Harris is a vote for a normal black woman politician and her opponent is an out and out fascist, there is nothing she could have done to win. The blandest politician, any rando off the street, should have won without competition. The vote was for the fascism
the fact that the Epstein photos didn't tank his campaign tells me all I need to know about the average American voter
@@nestwrwhy would they? those photos have been out for a LONG time. no one cares about that forreal. like people care but not like THAT
he wasnt economically popular this cycle, they ended up near dead even on economy.
ok so you didnt learn shit then. Just the same complaints as when Hillary lost. maybe if her of kamala had ANYTHING to offer but endless imperialist war they couldve won. but they didnt. They both spent their whole campaigns arrogantly supporting imperialism despite endless warnings that it would cost them the election. They both offered nothing to the working class to the point where even trumps lies and empty promises resonated more. Im so sick of this "she lost because shes a woman" shit its just not the case. Her being a woman was the only thing that brought out enough votes for her to come as close as she did. If biden had run he wouldve been crushed into dust.
a post I saw earlier today "why would people vote for a diet republican party when they can have the real thing"
Fr, why would I get Great Value when I can get the quality brand for the same price. They will lose a million times and still be ignorant as to the reason.
It was confirmed that as a black woman I'll never be safe. I have black daughters. My grandmother, mother, myself, and now my daughters will have to fight for human rights. It's never ending.
I’ll continue to fight for your daughters. I have an LGBTQ child and niece, and family members who are part Mexican and Cuban. I fear for my 18 year old niece who is darker than her brother and sister.
I want to be supportive and not be an ass but......Kamala's policies on Gaza and foreign policy In general would have made MANY women of color around the world very unsafe. Obviously trump is worse, but what you're talking about is the TINY bit of privilege/safety all Americans get by being close to the heart of the empire taken away from you, which is totally terrifying, as it was the little bit of protection we all had.
@@Jaggedknife11I fully agree with you but this rhetoric is not helpful. She didn't loose because this nation was too left. She lost because this nation is too right.
As a white man I care about the well being of black women i hope these simple words brings you comfort
@@zigzoga4956 No. Kamala lost precisely because America is far more left wing than her and the democratic establishment. Most people don't vote. People didn't vote for Kamala because her policies were almost identical to Trump's, so no one who fundamentally disagrees with Trump wanted to vote for her. She has the same border policies. She has the same policies on Palestine and the Middle East more generally. Why should I, as a Marxist, want to vote for a fascist like her?
And in California we were yes on raising minimum sentencing, yes on prison slavery, no on rent control, and no on minimum wage increases.
For ending the slavery exception, THERE WAS NO OPPO CAMPAIGN. 5 MILLION CALIFORNIANS JUST LIKED IT THE WAY IT WAS.
Just goes to show just how conservative even blue states are in this country. I knew that when Newsom criminalized homelessness. Can’t fix a system that is inherently broken!
Californian here. I can’t even take solace living in a deep blue state because of this tomfoolery
@ It’s really fucking gross. Reactionary sentiment and framing is becoming so commonplace it’s just the accepted mainstream narrative for so many issues at this point.
Crazy .. do nothing for the people but lock them up when they don’t follow your rules.
Californians will always put their money first ... Unless it's saving the chickens
I think people forgot that the Republicans wanted to raise the retirement age to 76. As a person getting close to thirty years I am worried as fuck.
I’m on Medicare and SSDI due to disability. I’m am scared I’m going to lose all of it.
Then boss up playa
Think about it: most Black people die by age 70. Therefore, for most Black people they will never receive the true benefit of social security. White women live the longest and White men are second. So you work for 40+ years and in the end, if you are Black, you will never reap the fruits of that labor.
People also forget that the Republicans wanted to restrict abortion access, but thankfully the Democrats won, and...abortion access got restricted anyway.
It doesn't matter which one of them (Dems or Republicans) holds political power, they get their orders from the money people, the big money people.
@@jaysmith7062 I JUST got my disability approved after a long and unnecessary fight. My mom has been on Social Security since she retired. She's under the delusion that this administration is going to keep Social Security and Medicare. They've been fighting for decades to dump it...and now they will because the gates have been opened for them. Their solution to the elderly and disabled? Throw us off a cliff. Literally. I'm absolutely terrified of what's going to come down the road. It's quiet for now, but it's not going to stay this way for long. I know violence is going to occur very quickly; it's just a matter of what strikes the match...
8:08 Respectfully I completely disagree here. Outside of being attached to a very unpopular administration and being a black woman, her biggest issue was the pivot to center and not getting far enough away from Joe Biden's policies. As you said, she was trying to appeal to the white male moderate but why would those guys ever vote for Kamala when Trump is right there?
BOOM mic drop
this period thank you
And Biden has been bad. The biolab fire in Atlanta (? I have recall issues), the "end" of covid even if it's killing more people than ever with no help, the failure to communicate with his base, etc.
Everyone just kept pretending that it was soooooo much better than it is. People have multiple jobs and more struggles, the work force is exhausted, businesses are going above and beyond to screw us over. She couldn't even run on fixing stuff because we all see what's not being fixed.
reminds me of a comment by notian_5548 (or smth like that) above that mentioned white men will be fine
and it's clear that apathy from voters killed the system, not just prejudice
Campaigning with the Cheneys' was insane. Who on gods green earth pitched that idea and followed through with it? Nobody really wanted to vote for her. I think race and gender played a much smaller factor than people will say. At the end of the day Kamala stood for nothing besides more of the status quo. The status quo is killing working class people. Trump pays lip service to that frustration and dems just doubled down on being elists.
29:57 as an Afro Latino, many of them are actually white. In the Latino diaspora, we have many Whitinos as I like to call them that benefit from white supremacy. And even the ones that aren’t white, but aren’t Black, assimilate to whiteness so hard that they also benefit from white supremacy as well. That’s why it’s so split.
As a white Latino, I roll my eyes every time my fellow Americans try to tell me I can't be Latino because I'm white. Every square inch of the Americas was dominated by the same white supremacist power structures of African slavery and genocide of the indigenous peoples. Of course white Latinos will have the same conservative political and economic incentives as their WASP American and Canadian counterparts.
seeing as whiteness is a construct, yeah. they're white if they are accepted as white by those in power.
As a Mexican, I am very disappointed, but not surprised
So many immigrants actually believe they're "one of the good ones" and just nod along when Trump calls us pdfiles and shit
The amount of fellow mexicans who hate cuban immigrants where I live is insane, I don't get it at all, it's irrational no matter which way you cut it.
Totally agree
True
Trump winning the popular vote was salt in the wound. The first time a Republican has done that since 2004.
it wasnt even really close either
It was the steepest fall in the party’s vote share since the last time inflation was high under a D incumbent, 1980
Because Kamala is an awful, undemocratically elected candidate for president.
I work at a Black Title I school. We are headed to Montgomery today to visit the Legacy Museum… There’s just no words.
sending love
Stay strong, as a strong black woman, and an educator we are going to need you to influence the next generation against their right wing families moral corruption.
I'm really sorry, Les. I hear you and I wish you the best🙏🏿
🖤🙏🏿
Ahahahah🤣
I think something we have to remember about this election is that while race and gender do play a significant role in voter turnout, there is likely major dissatisfaction with the current democratic term, and I bet this also had a huge influence on democratic voter hesitancy.
People are dissatisfied with Biden’s term on both sides, and Kamala didn’t promise anything new that would persuade or relieve dem voters
The problem is that nobody pays any attention to the good things that are happening, just the bad
@@wokedog1799 Bingo. The US had the single highest growth in GDP% since the pandemic out of all G7 countries. Awesome fact except literally nobody seems to care.
Ever since I reached adulthood, I've known the US is not the country they taught us it is in school. But I still had hope that we could make this country actually great. I had hope things would change for the better in my lifetime. My hope is shattered. Kamala lost big. It wasn't even close. I've completely lost whatever respect I still had for this country.
Why
Bro Trump was president for 4 yrs and nothing yall scared about rn happened
@@JuVi516dude he annihilated environmental policies. The world cannot wait yet another 4 years for saving. We are so cooked by climate change at this point
@@JuVi516well he completely fucked the economy by mishandling Covid
@@cmoogs A man and party run a campaign laced with explicit hate and won in a landslide. That's the spirit of this country to me now.
Apathy among white suburban dudes has been astronomical. Me and my friends tried so hard to get our peers to turn out and they just couldn’t be fucking bothered. It’s shameful
Most of my white leftists face book feed has been then saying "voting 3rd party for Palestine"
there’s nothing more i hate than someone who is politically apathetic
@@loveydovey3631 Being politically apathetic is not an easy decision. Everyone I know has been beaten into and just resigned.
Every 4 years to go and choose between two groups of insider traders involved in a racket to funnel public tax payers into their financial interests
@@CTembo Choosing between the Lesser of Two Evils gets old after a while.
You eventually would rather see it burn than compromise your truly held beliefs to SETTLE for more of the same.
This is far too real. I see predominately negative comments toward the political doomer mindset and I get it, but it seems like no one cares to try and understand why that mindset exists. You can’t truly change something you don’t understand.
Even if every single Jill Stein voter in Michigan went for Harris, she still loses the state. There were less than 44K Stein voters and she lost the state by 65K
How many people who voted for Cornel West, left the presidential ballot blank, or just actively decided not to go do you think there are?
@@Socioromanticismjust because someone decides not to vote doesn’t mean they’d vote for our candidate if they did vote
@@Socioromanticismpeople deciding not to vote for a candidate shouldn't be held responsible for this, those who failed to earn their vote should be
People will ignore this fact, I already see Liberals spewing racist dribble about why Muslims were the reasons why Holocaust Harris lost.
@@theswagman1263but they are not going to either. That is not how power works
I also think it's too dangerous to pretend that any government is going to save us. I think we get a little too complacent when democrats win, like we think they're less shady than republicans. I think local efforts are always going to be more reliable and resilient. Pour your resources into local shelters/food banks/free clinics, etc.
America has a masculinity problem.
Saying it's sexism isn't strictly wrong but it's a simplification.
An insane amount of the country is just drawn to anything they see as aggressively macho.
Sucks but that's my takeaway.
100% too many young guys didn’t grow out of the middle school “anti sjw” phase
@billjakerson2693 I did and now I'm wondering what good that did me
Well, I gotta tell you that as a non-American Latina myself. People from Latin America have a history with strongmen so Trump had some advantage in that regard. Moreover they are often religious so that helped Trump as well. So can I see why they voted for him this time.
@@jeffersonclippership2588 you grew up and no longer hate women and yourself
The thing I’m realizing is that in such an alienated system a lot of these people who are voting out of spite for trump can literally not be reached out to. They don’t have friends, they’re not close with their family, they’re isolated. And those kinds of people focus on what the see online and they focus on the macho nonsense trump tells em and it sounds good, and they don’t have people to help them out of that rut or tell them that it’s wrong because they don’t have strong social relationships.
I don’t know how you reach out to people to drag em out of alt right pipeline sorta stuff if they’re completely isolated
White voter apathy got worse, I think, because we weren’t fresh off a Trump presidency. Trump’s actual presidency, COVID especially, was so bad it started to affect people who can usually afford to disengage in politics. But now that hurt isn’t fresh anymore and they didn’t care to vote.
I'm surprised people forgot how bad 2020 was already.
It's very telling when Democrats lost 15 million votes compared to 2020. Trump only lost 3 million but that still didn't matter.
There's no blaming leftists or third party candidates or young people for any of this. The country is just deeply racist and fucked up and wants to be under the boot.
Agreed
Yes, 2020 had COVID and the BLM protests that took place over the summer. Both created conditions for high engagement.
@@beccathebruhAnd people had jack sh*t else to do with their time. Big difference recently having been stuck at home for months vs. being overworked and stressed with much less time on your hands to engage politically
Also on Latino voters. One of our most important historical figures is Caesar Chavez. He was an important advocate for farm worker labor and established the largest latino union.
And he was terrible on immigration. There’s always been this idea being anti immigration will strengthen our bargaining power for the documented Latinos here.
Don’t be surprised about Latinos voted for the mass deporter, our relationship with immigration and labor has been pretty shitty.
It doesn't help that assimilation has worked so well on us. It's going to take a lot to educate but my only hope is that this finally gets the message across, and that we don't cause a lot of pain in the process. Honestly, for the first time in a while, idk whats going to happen.
My daughter’s immigrant friends from counties other than Mexico say their parents are very racist against Mexican immigrants. The kids aren’t and as they went through the US education system had people constantly being racist against them for being “Mexican” even though they were from other countries.
@@alexacarrillo4339Just because people speak the same language doesn’t mean they should speak positive about another country. I speak English yet I could care less about Australians
@@Jakub680 I think you missed the point. The parents don’t seem to understand the white area they moved into considers them Mexican.
Those "latino historical figures" are chosen and canonized by the liberal establishment/the Dems. Anti-communism and nationalism is the ideological root of all "minority" representation in the US.
I really love that you reminded people that the New Deal and FDR really only helped everyone that wasn’t black people. I like how you used that as the analogy for progressive policy vs progressive politics
It was perfect I understood him clearly after that
God I hate Joe Rogan and Elon Musk
And Andrew Tate.. And Jordan Peterson.
@@RedScareClairand Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
Imma throw in Andrew Schulz too
@@dexterdahmer read the room
@@dexterdahmer why her ? i'm not american so i don't know the nuances. how do they equate?
What did we learn?
That "reaching out" to conservatives and trying to understand them in order to maintain a populace satisfied with capitalism is a losing battle. That the Far Right is the norm.
We learned that in 2016, Dem leadership just actively refuses to do anything else.
Supporting a genocide (that even 60% of Americans oppose) is a losing battle
I am beyond disappointed in Latinos that voted IN DROVES for Trump. As a Puerto Rican man, I am beyond disappointed that so many Boricuas voted for Trump. Here on the island, it’s the first time in DECADES that the pro-independence party got so many votes… But they lost to the pro-statehood party, against a politician who is openly pro-Trump and has been corrupt for years. Many Boricuas voted for Trump, too, and that pissed me off so much. After all he’s said about Latinos, after that island of floating garbage “joke”… We proved them right. I am beyond lost for words. All we can do is try and work for our communities and survive, but it’s clear that America is full of people willing to screw over everyone else for the promise of low prices. I hate it here, bro.
I swear no one hates Latinos more than ourselves. If it weren't for my Dominican immigrant mom, I wouldn't be able to fathom someone being so vehemently against their own people.
I am beyound disappointed in those in the LGTBQ community that voted for him.
For the promise of lower prices meanwhile incoming tariffs
Are you really shocked ?
Hispanics that make 50K or more move to Florida or Arizona then turn Republican
As a Puerto Rican woman I am not surprised one bit that so many of us would vote for that man. Disappointed but not surprised. There has always been a huge vein of patriarchal, authoritarian and anti-intellectual values in the culture and a huge lack of solidarity with others. People will sell each other out for smoke and mirrors.
as a “suburban white male” I decided to vote last minute only for the fact that Kamala’s impact on culture and how people treat each other will be vastly better than trump (duh). But as a reluctant voter, I have to tell you seeing Kamala move right reminded me so much how little of a choice we have when it comes to presidential elections.
Both were going to continue to support Israel. The matter is going to spur more terrorism, and maybe even a world war, which is the last thing I want as an able bodied man right now. Both were going to do little to address climate change, which is going to kill us all at some point.
Obama & Biden reminded me of the short lived promises for the middle class. Not much suggested that Kamala would be any different.
I understand there’s some good that the biden administration did & Kamala is proportionally way better than trump on paper, but as much as you want to diagnose the issue as racism and sexism, there is also a huge issue with the political doomerism and it runs rampant in suburban white males.
Someone like me who’s utterly dissatisfied with the system should take responsibility for my political inaction across the board, not just in electing the president but everything else. But understand people like me are still digesting the disilussion with how we were taught in school and my our parents how the system works, and the lack of education we have in how to make change, while at the same time balancing all the other challenges in our lives.
Hope this helps & love you all
Well, brother, I can put it like that: "If you wanna win in a casino, you gotta break a casino"
Voting won't do a thing, never did. Hopefully americans will get that sooner, so cycle would finally stop
@@WarpPotato
I would agree that voting on the president does little to change major core issues.
The problem is, neither does not voting.
As I said before, political doomerism is a huge issue. It's nearly impossible to make a drastic change to the core issues overnight. Even if it was, the battles we have right now are plenty of small battles, not a huge and quick one. We must have the attitude that we're going to show up and put in the effort to make change.
This time, all we had to do was fill in a circle on a piece of paper, and we didn't do it.
So now we have a pathological lying criminal who draws fair comparisons to fascist dictators as our president. Congratulations. How's that for doing a thing?
I am Brazilian, and heartbroken for all Americans and scared for Palestine, I am so sorry this is happening to you guys all over again, I am so sorry, your pain is seen and shared all around the world, stay strong.
Thank you ❤
I'm already worried about Brazil's next election too. Considering that Bolsonaro only lost because of COVID and the election was so close, just like Trump 2020. I'm glad he's Ineligible but the similarities are so big, I fear another insane charismatic leader can emerge in this polarized political scenario
Us Texans got doubled fucked, we not only voted for Trump (which I expected) but we also reelected Ted Cruz!!!!!
wtf is wrong with these people!?!!?
Cruz's major opponent wasn't white and in TX that's giving up votes and you know it. Incumbent R in TX is already uphill to unseat. This election is about ugly truths.
Yeah I work in north Texas. It's like a republican politician could shoot a guys daughter in front of him and he'd still show up and vote red down the ballot.
Even if they like his politics, Cruz fucking left when the state needed him most. I don't understand these people.
We have to treat this like a hurricane. We’re prepping for a bad storm. We need to organize, come together as community and hunker down. This two shall pass. My mom used to say, there isn’t an ill that lasts 100 years nor a man that can withstand it. I think we should listen to Alright, Woosah, recalibrate and move forward.
I really appreciate your comment. Hope is hard to have rn but your mom is right and i feel inspired.
I live surrounded by republicans; aint no community for me to organize with here.
Well, when Project 2025 wants to get rid of NOAA, at least we know this bad storm is coming!
@@JFirecracker Likewise and I live in NY state...
Last time he didn’t leave peacefully. Read project 2025, it sets us up for a dictatorship. He’s not going to leave.
As a Latino who came from Nicaraguan immigrant parents and seeing the behavior and mentality of other latinos, I can vouch that some of them think or want to be white, along with the machismo/misogyny culture of latinos, you’re 100% correct
Or we just want good lives
@@bighancho5351 You think the guy who decorates like he lives at Versailles and the guy who ran a venture capital firm are really going to prioritize making *your* groceries cheaper? Genuinely?
@@Nassifeh his presidency made my parents and my life better, you can knit pick at his shortcomings and losses but my life was more prosperous
@@bighancho5351 Let's see how that works out for you lol
@ worked out well last presidency
It’s going to take 25-50 years to recover from the next 4 years. We just took a gigantic step backwards..
we never fixed anything reagan broke. not shocking.
@@pharoahcaraboo9610 Fr, I will never understand people's shock at this election or being disheartened. It was very clear to see from the start that this was trump's revenge tour and like you said, nothing that was broke by Raegan and others.
Let's not be so melodramatic. We got though 2017-2020, and the world didn't end.
@shrim1481 2017-2020 took us 50 years back in time, they're talking about bringing back bigoted laws from the 1800s.
@@shrim1481that was an experiment to see what they could get away with. This will be his REAL term where he will put everything he wants into law. All three branches of the government is maga now. Y’all really think this is a game? 🤦🏾♀️
"hide your kids, hide your wife"
this is going to be ugly, people will be killed by police in the streets during protests in what i fear are large numbers.
as proud Jamaican who was brought to Canada as a child, and has been a Canadian citizen for 30 years.
i decided to boycott travel to the US during the Irag war, and had moments of willingness to go south during Barack (although i didn't)... this decision will guarantee that I will not travel to the US and spend money directly into your economy. I know that the economy of the nation i live in is inextricably tied to the US, and the white people in Canada culturally closely tied to the US, reflecting its policies and xenophobic views.... its with this knowledge that I know that I'm also endangered from this election.
This will not end well.
I think it's fair to point out the racism, but I don't agree that her moving to the center was a good move. You cannot counter far right extremism with centrism.
True. Countries like the US tend to vote for clear ideologues.
all dems are center-right...
Fd just needs to admit that he is a radlib
dems are always center-right
the issue here is that all democrats are center-right. they can not and will not combat far-right extremism because those are their neighbors.
I was confident Harris would win, too. I now realize I was allowing myself to live in a bubble. I only watched media ridiculing Trump, assuring me he was one step away from a catatonic drool state, that everyone and their mom was out voting for Harris, blah blah. I blame the bubble, I blame every single one of the people there participating with me in it, but most of all I blame myself. We all sat there and got high off our own product, huffed our own farts, and are sitting here with permanent surprised Pikachu face.
I don't think only interacting with decent people above 70 IQ is a "bubble." That's just being an adult with a moral compass.
@ I appreciate the generous assumption. However I assure you, I was in a bubble, both online and in real life. And I gotta say, your assumption that people that oppose Trump are all intelligent, moral people doesn’t hold in real life.
im at 19:00 and man i cant disagree enough FD. If you look at actual policy polls rather than Politicians, you will see that americans are generally way more progressive than you would think. 60% of americans are pro abortion, 57% are in support of medicare for all, 77% of americans want their state to provide free tuition at Universities. The problem is there is no one to vote for who wants to give that to Americans. This is not a right wing country but the political system is right wing by design
This ain’t the same America that Burnie ran for. Things have changed since then.
@Villainyjustified its absolutely the same America. The establishment just doesn't want it. Theres a reason why msm had a blackout on Bernie back in 2016. Next election when there's an actual primary you will see the public back the candidate with the more populist platform
@@revmagicdon7733 I hope you are right
Also just look at the donation map for Democratic candidates leading up to the 2020 election. Bernie had widespread support throughout the country. The dems pushed them away. This is simple cause and effect.
Like he said, though, there's a difference between policy and action. It's all well and good to talk about having nice things, right up until you have to vote for someone else to get them.
I'm surprised she did as well as she did only because her campaign cycle started so late.
I definitely saw being black, Asian, and a woman all standing in her way for some folks.
I'm focusing on local and state laws.
the white woman vote shows her being black probably had more to do with it.
Ngl I know that people will bring up her identity a lot and it's definitely valid, that being said most of the people I know don't like her because she's a cop and supports Israel.
@@pittaaaabreadRespectfully, based on your presence in the comments here, I'm guessing the people around you are not the ones who had a problem with Kamala being black and/or a woman.
@@pittaaaabreadthey have a bigger issue with her being a cop in the past rather than someone that will give cops full immunity. sounds like clowns.
Harris ran an awful campaign, which made her identity the least of her issues. It was only competitive because Trump was also running a poor campaign and had multiple failures from his presidency catching up with him.
When voters are discussing the lesser of two evils, you know neither candidate is doing a good job. Frankly, I think the U.S. is ready for any race and gender of president. They just have to run a good campaign and be likable.
There's definitely a generational gap between me and y'all at my parents' age (I'm 25). I want to fight and thrive, not just endure. But I understand that me fighting right now could leave to me losing, and if my goal is survival I can fight another day. I think I am conflating endurance with acceptance. I will not accept this. But I can try to live through it. I'm just hoping there will be another election 4 years from now.
you told me something I needed. thank you.
this bro
It doesn’t matter if there’s an election four years from now. If Trump doesn’t like the results, he will have already made elections basically irrelevant by law. THAT is why we older folks are out of hope.
Also 25 and i agree with you!
I needed this perspective. Keep your candles close to your petticoats. We can't let them snuff our light.
Bernie’s popularity in 2016 showed us that the dems need to move left.. it’s clear as day
NO LOL
Almost everyone I’ve spoken to in my home town (Michigan) said something along the lines of “we’re fucked no matter who wins so who cares”. That’s been everyone. Male, female, white, black. It’s like everyone is completely and utterly clueless about anything and everything to do with government, society, fucking life in general.
Never been so ashamed of this country.
they are TIRED
@@angelganggirlfact was apathy was a factor.. way to many ppl I’ve spoken to looked at our options an checked out. An That’s the Truth of it if you look at the numbers period.
As if apathy and inaction has ever accomplished anything before
Its a sentiment that the democrats have nurtured by running as a status quo party while people are dissatisfied with the status quo
I'm not ashamed. This is who we are and this is who we've always been.
Hello. Swede here, I’m so sorry America, and I’m sorry for humanity.
All who can band together must. We must protect the people now directly in the line of fire of Trump. Trans people, immigrants, women, etc.
Stand together
Take Sjalv🙏🏾
Thank you, it's a scary time but it's been a scary time before
Can I move in with you
How much does it cost to live in Sweden lol
So sick of this shit man. So so sick.
I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary - then was essentially forced to vote for Clinton. I voted for Bernie in the 2020 primary - then was essentially forced to vote for Biden. Now in 2024 we were basically told: fuck a primary, here's your only option, so I voted for the only option. I feel like my "voice" has been suppressed for the past 3 elections. I'm not saying I'm not gonna vote in the next one, but the DNC has really fucked us, over and over, imo. People saying Trump won cause vibes... you can say the same fucking thing about Kamala. The joyous pandering, the celebrity endorsements, not allowing a Palestinian representative to speak at the convention, endorsements from the Clintons, the Cheneys, etc... so, many, missteps.
THANK YOU! 100% agreee please see my comment (as a democrat) "I dont see how the Dems dont understand their optics issue (as a staunch Democrat) they pander to celebs, the left and pop culture not the every working class. Kamala = Beyonce. Trump = Truck drivers, mc Donalds the everyday worker (OPTICALLY). im a DEM (hate trump) but we have to admit the dems fault at going too left OPTICALLY and not catering the the blue collar workers and people that cant afford eggs. they dont care about Beyonce."
@@orbitaljunkie from an outside (UK) perspective - I feel like this is a huge part in it. Dems chickens came home to roost. And they won't ever learn.
Did the Palestinians get to speak at the GOP convention??
I’m in the same boat. Voting for the only option due to the two party system is soul crushing because even when we do win whatever promises we were told magically disappear
@@NIO623 This is your answer? You're just a party loyalist FREAK, you have nothing to teach the average AND informed voter. Get used to losing, it's gonna keep happening for you.
Bro the fact that you don't think her not taking a firm stance against Israel's genocide DIDN'T cost her a ton of votes is WILD.
On top of that, she literally campaigned on the idea that Trump is soft on the border, but we're supposed to be surprised she didn't get Latino votes? She correctly attacked Trump for his racist border wall in 2016, why the fuck did she expect switching that entire perspective was going to win her votes?
I flat out refuse to vote for a candidate running on a platform of border control and "the most lethal military in the world", and I'm not alone in that.
Not wrong, but the question I have for people who didn't vote (for her or at all) because of her stance on Palestine is this: In what universe do you think a Trump administration-- same guy that nearly sparked a pocket war with Iran by ordering Soleimani's assassination-- could possibly be *better* for Palestine?
As a black woman I’m simply tired of fighting. I’m going to let people go ahead and have this one for the next four years and if the country goes to complete shit that’s on them.
That’s exactly how I feel. I can slowly feel myself becoming numb ¬ caring anymore because I feel like there’s nothing more I can do. I live in a society that hates women & black people & I just happen to be both of those things. Lucky me
As a white man, I do not feel represented by Trump. Or Harris. I did not vote because I knew there's no chance RFK, the only human capable of empathy who ran, had no chance. He did get half a mil votes though so that's at least hopeful.
I've seen the country grow increasingly polarized for three decades. The two corrupt parties will never produce a candidate who gets me to the poll.
I sincerely hope that everyone can reach a level of caring more about policy than melanin/gender.
@@xotwistedt8812 I couldn’t agree more it just gets to a point where it’s tiring being a freedom fighter and being on the front lines for everybody, but nobody wants to stand up for you. This term will be taking me from 26 to 30 years old so we will see how it goes🤷🏽♀️
I agree. I’m done. Done warning people, done protesting, done supporting everyone else, definitely done fighting. Just done. I wish I could just move to an island 🙄. Take some time today ladies!
Take care of yourself.
Can’t help anyone if you don’t have anything to give.
I can't help but go back go to that old quote, "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Running against a guy who _exclusively runs off of unsubstantiated vibes,_ the worst thing you can possibly do is run a vibes based campaign.
This is a great way to put it. Thank you.
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I completely agree with this. You're not going to out-vibe a career bullshit artist. Kamala needed an actionable but aspirational plan with specific goals, needed to campaign that plan 5x harder than she's ever campaigned, and needed to not even interface with Trump, because he's just going to say whatever he feels like in the moment, and she can't match that energy.
Her campaign should have been run by Eric Andre and Kito Sakurai or Tim and Eric 👨🏾🔬
Good take
I learned that you can be a felon and still be president (if your rich ofc)
And white, definitely white.
He will overturn his conviction and get that wiped off his record
@@Darkempress45doesnt matter he was never getting jail time. He was too ingrained in the system.
@M1d32 I used to think that white privilege was an inaccurate term but Trump and this election have prove me wrong
And white and racist
In my friend circle, most people didn't vote because even if they disliked the potential for a conservative president, they don't trust the dems to deliver on certain issues. Some also didn't vote because they just don't trust politicians and find both sides to be unappealing. I'm a woman, albeit a white woman so I'm not affected as much as women of color by damaging policies, and all the left leaning men in my life of various ethnicities basically think that all the women worried about this result are being over dramatic.
One of my close friends who is even more leftist than I am, told me this morning that I need to not waste my energy being worried about Trump because his ideology will continue to exist whether he won or lost. He's a young white man who labels himself as a socialist, but just can't see my fears. He thinks that both sides won't do what is needed to actually improve the country, so to him it's a moot point.
My fiance is Mexican, and he didn't vote despite being anti-Trump. His reasoning was that we live in a red state, so our votes don't matter. I know this is going to sound very white woman of me to be afraid for him, but it feels like I'm more worried about racist policies than he is. None of the people in a couple of my friend groups (predominantly Southeast Asian, Middle Eastern, and Latino) voted because they're just so disaffected by politics that they think it doesn't matter. I hope they're right, and that I am indeed overreacting. Mind you all I've said is that I'm bummed about the results and hope it's not as bad as the worst case scenarios.
God, I feel you. I couldn’t believe how few people around me voted. The guys I know outright said that they ‘didn’t feel anything different’ during different presidencies, so they didn’t care.
????? Yeah, fine for you, but they will just outright tell you that others mean nothing to them. I realize now it was foolish to think people care about others. Not in this country anyway. People are just lazy, callous, and selfish.
At least Harris didn’t come across as TOO progressive. Coulda cost her the election.
lol for real. just laughable how inept the Dem machinery is.
damn lmao
Leaned right into the old Republicans spot only to still be called a communist.
What a shit show.
She is too progressive for most of America.
How can the dems win without the support of fascist from across the aisle?
Purely anecdotal but a lot of the older Latino generation in and around my family seemed to vote for trump under religious crusade reasons that I can't even begin to understand or fathom. The amount of times I heard "I'm voting for god's will" come out of their mouths was lowkey kinda disgusting. Not even trying to shit on religion, yall do you but this ideology or mentality that church and state should be one is kinda. eugh. I also gotta agree lot of latino's want to so badly be white. So much so that some of my afro rican brothers and sisters would rather say they're hispanic or latino than actually accept themselves as they are. "I no black I dominican" comes to mind. Idk. Stay strong folks. We'll be ight.
We need to refer to all yt in the mind Latino as 🪱, also we allow religion far too much validation
Trump doesn't even follow the teachings of the church. Did they not follow the stunt he pulled with the bible photoshoot? "I'm holding A bible."
According to an ex-evangelical I watched, they think he will bring forth the tribulations that will accelerate Jesus’ return to earth. It’s why so many hard core christians support Israel so much. It’s a precursor for armageddon and the End Times.
@@dominictemple That's fucked up. They know it's a choice for worse but do it any way because ... God?
@ there were bad kings in the bible, but they were all part of gods plan. If you question it or disobey, you’re going to hell. This is a pre-enlightenment, thought killing theocratic mentality.
Connecticut has laws protecting women and LGBTQ+. All are welcome. And we have 2 blue Senators and 5 blue Representatives.
I hope state laws will protect people
@@absolutelycitron1580 It's the one small benefit of the Roe over turn
Supremacy clause is going to come up.
The fugitive slave laws demanding state cooperation were pushed heavily by the people who supposedly believed in the rights of the states.
i’m so proud to be a resident of CT because of this. CT does a good job at protecting those who live here
At least there’s hope
Her campaign was horrible let's be clear
Agree with everything except one small thing. I definitely think Walz would have gotten more votes just for being a white man. And he's just more likeable and has better vibes. But the thing I'd push back on is her messaging. Obama preached hope and change. His messaging resonated with people despite being a black man with a name like Houssain Obama. I don't think we can ignore that fact.
Harris on the other hand did basically nothing to separate herself from Biden when his popularity was already declining.
I think one of the bigger challenges Dems have is that they are in fact neocons and therefore it's hard to keep running on hope and change when they have no real desire to give hope and change. I think white people will absolutely go for progressive policy as long as the perception isn't that others are getting more than them. Like I don't think you can run on Medicare for all AND reparations. That's too much. You have to get white men to believe you will improve their material conditions.
Yea I agree, she had terrible messaging, nothing like Obama
fair analysis. heavy emphasis on you can’t run on medicare and reparations lol. unfortunate but real truth.
100% agree on this take, also having to pick up where the dementia patient left off is basically the worst possible start you can have.
I push back on one piece of this. You’re downplaying the factor that race and gender played in the election. Remember, Obama first ran as a mixed race man who focused on hope and change, yes but also slightly condescending messaging to young black men. Even conservatives ate that up with a spoon. Pulling back in your latter points, Kamala’s messaging lacked that “winning strategy” because she was raised as a black woman and didn’t kowtow to a particular group.
I for one, am unsympathetic to people who vote against their interests. Progressive policy lifts all boats and with the nonsense that is Project 2025, they’ve doomed the rest of us to a difficult 50 years (cause Alito and Thomas are resigning and they’re undoubtedly going to pick younger justices with the same ideological bent)
@@MiniM69 youre mistaking race with class. Obama's weird right wing condescension is a class issue not a race one. He was pushing right wing "pull yourself up" stuff. Hence why conservatives ate it up. Kamala kowtowed hard to the israel lobby as well and that hurt her chances from the jump. She did not have more integrity than obama she had less if anything.
Commenting for engagement and to say that
1. I am so sorry to all of you who are now in danger, possibly even because of how people close to you voted. I hope you find safety and care in communities that are trustworthy.
Please take care as much as you can. Make sure you are as safe as possible.
2. This day is so bad, that even here in Switzerland people are bummed out. Talked to my mum, and she told me that she had never seen anything like it. The way customers came in today was genuinely devistating.
And it's the same everywhere here.
We're not even in the thick of it all over here, and it's crazy to see how badly people take it.
I can't imagine how it must feel for US Citizens who did not want that outcome.
I wish you copious amounts of strength. I believe in you
White guys at my job was so happy this morning all high fiving each other never seen them this happy before
Of course they did.
Im sorry, i have the day off to recover, I don't think I'd have a job if i were in your shoes
@@Spyderinagourd trust when i say i walked in on a lot of crazy conversations they was having about the election
You better run. The people around you will not help you if you are in danger.
@@bemiatto67 right it's about be some scary times we living in
This is a bad take on the election imo. Not saying Kamala being black didn't have an impact, obviously it did. But she didn't provide any reason to vote for her. She was soulless in her campaign. She threw up a middle finger to working class people and said fuck you vote for me he's worse. They had an open net and they missed. Let's get this right please
I'm putting this here because I'm putting this everywhere.
We need our own party, our own project 2025. we can't sit here and wait for the shit either. Ask the panthers what they waited for. We've been playing in the ashes for I don't know how long. No more.
It's tempting to go numb. Part of why I'm writing this is to fight my own apathy. The ideas are popular, we just need to get out our own bubble. Our own house. (And maybe read up on how the rainbow coalition even worked beyond charisma)
I will not let my little siblings inherit ash.
I will not let my children and grandchildren inherit ash.
No more. We rise.
Damn right.
yeah one of the huge problems rn is a lot of left leaning people just want to vote once a year and make that fix everything. that was never going to fix anything. every single right marginalized people have earned in the us has been through fighting tooth and nail. we just have to keep doing that.
i know people are worried about trump and rightly so. but on the bright side, there have been countless hateful and bigoted leaders of all sorts in all sorts of places before. and we're still here. we've fought for our rights before and we can do it again.
but where do we start
@@dq8431 Start with your neighbours, your local communities, your town elections. Build up from there.
@dq8431 that's a great question, and part of why I'm trying to put this in every circle I can. Because I don't know where we start, just that we can't wait any longer.
"If you can't trust yoru neighbors, you need to find a community you can trust." Man, this hit hard. Because it's unfortunate, but true. I'm already going through my friends and seeing who I can't associate with anymore. I get having disagreements, but voting for someone who has made clear they don't care for your feelings or mine...that's a line I can't allow anyone to cross. I can't look at you the same. I can't trust my daughters around you. And if I can't trust them around you, then you're dead to me.
38 year old white dad here. I voted for Kamala in Texas. Wish more of us would have gotten off the damn couch.
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I lived in texas for 5ish years, closest we got to blue was Beto. There was a lot of energy behind him but it's clear that Texas has a "Brand". Its red territory, it's gerrymandered to shit, it thrives off of a large undocumented population being unable to vote and subservient to their economy
Did you vote though *primarily* thinking that Trump's America would be fundamentally dangerous for you or for people you care about? (Even if it's both, I'm curious which one felt/feels more "tangible", for lack of a better term, in your head.)
@ Both, I’m married to a black woman. I’m also socially and economically liberal. The thought of more conservative justices on the Supreme Court made my stomach turn.
I honestly don’t think her being a woman of color really meant much. Maybe 15/20% of people sure but just talk to the everyday person. Most people across the board are over the democrats and how they’ve ran the ship.
Im at a place now where I don't even know if we deserve better . Im disgusted with so many ppl around me. Shit is shameful
FOR REAL! I’m side eyeing everyone
I'm literally contemplating not speaking to family that voted for this man.
@@GodofPainBelial I think I'm gonna have to skip Thanksgiving for the first time this year. I won't be able to keep my cool around my dying grandpa and I'd hate for that to be our last interaction. I just feel betrayed.
@@HeckYep yeah, I have a dad who I know voted blue but I also know he’ll joke and say “I’m a white land owning male! This won’t affect me” and the fact that he’s right WHILE ALSO having an entire lineage of biracial/Black people makes me sick physically and emotionally. So I won’t be reaching out. Ever. NC
We don’t deserve better
I live in rural texas where all the latinos that vote for trump are. If you look up my city odessa on the census it says that it is 75% latino white. This isn't because there is an abundance of white passing latinos in my area, but that everyone here WANTS to be white and puts that they are white despite having melanin levels closer to mine. They are all voting for trump and this should be recognized as a common factor among such communities.
If they join the oppressors they can be second class citizens instead of the enemy.
The second I saw Odessa I knew it was gonna be batshit
i think its important to remember bidens campaign promised a 15$/hr min wage, canceling student debt, tackling climate change etc. and kamalas campaign basically said yea we didnt do that and we wont. hard to get excited over a campaign that basically promised a repeat of the last 4 years. still im very upset and concerned i wont be able to get estrogen in the near future, all of my trans and black friends are at their worst rn.
No reason to group trans and black people together when we are fighting different struggles…we are not at are worst even tho the worst is yet to come
What did Trump promise to do?
@@hollywood486 Work on your intersectionality. Systems of oppression are bad for everyone.
@@melsaint8616i didnt say trump ran a better campaign, most of his supporters couldnt care less about his promises. the past few elections have shown its not about getting republicans to support a democrat its about getting a big enough turnout, this election had over 10 million less voters than the last one
You should be highlighted
As a white dude I don’t wanna discount the idea that racism and sexism played a role in this but can’t help but point out a lot of the most racist ppl I know voted for Obama twice. Honestly seems like the main reason she lost is that she tried to be diet trump while running against actual trump, I feel like all the “moderates” she was tryna court were just trump supporters who didn’t wanna admit it out loud so obvi they just voted for trump. When looking at the reason that trumps numbers stayed basically the same while a bunch of ppl who voted for Biden didn’t vote for Harris, imo the two main reasons were 1) Biden only got that much support bc of how bad covid had gotten right before the election and 2) Kamala tried to appeal to right wingers instead of her own base, and ppl who want to see trumps policies enacted are just gonna vote for trump. Open to being told I’m a dumbass tho that’s just how it seemed to me
As a "white" woman, I am so angry that other white women truly do not see that white supremacy DOES NOT HELP WHITE WOMEN. Donald Trump does not give a shit about white women or what is best for us. And yet, white women showed up for the Trump ticket in droves. I just...cannot. I'm so angry and just want to shake these women by the shoulders, but I know that soft influence has a far better effect. I used to be registered Republican because it was a good way to have conversations with Republicans in my neighborhood and not have them immediately shut down emotionally.
I don't know why I'm commenting this on the internet, as there might be some McCarthy-esque bullshit in the near future. FD, thank you for being my safe space even though I know this channel is not "for" me. Many thanks to this community, and to Olay's community as well. 💚💙💜
😂I’m fairly certain you don’t need to put “white” into quotation marks
Did you vote for Andrew Yang when you had a chance? If your answer is no, you contributed to everything that you’re complaining about.
Yang is a clown that has no real beliefs
@@harlequinheart3 I'm "white", and I insist on doing that - personally, because I don't think human races exist. That is, they don't exist as anything else other than artificial social classifications by which to divide and conquer/rule people, and I don't want to buy into or support that framework.
I'm a white man who falls right in trumps main demographic. It's so depressing that my peers can't see trump for what he is. I have had so much dread today. Its indescribable. I feel like we lost any possible way to correct course and save this country
What if Democrats just TRIED running a leftist campaign? Like, just for novelty's sake...
Too be fair that was 2008 Obama. The problem is they never keep on doing that and seem to overestimate how much people were disappointed by the end of the Obama years.
@Dracon7601 in 2008 he was saying that marriage was between a man and a woman and touting around Mitt Romney's healthcare plan
@@Dracon7601nah, he was still in alignment with capitalists from Goldman and started off by dropping the public option. Far from leftist.
Then you would get a steaming face-full of the reality that America clearly isn't all that progressive, and that the goalposts were always made of styrofoam.
they could never, theyre center-right
As a Latino male in Pennsylvania, I'm pretty miserable over the whole thing. Like damn, we had such a red wave here, so many Republicans won their respective elections. I'm sure if the governor's race was this year, a Republican would've won. If Fetterman/Oz happened this year, Oz would win.
its actually scary how things turned out. im a white queer woman in PA too and im so scared about reproduction rights and just overall audacity of people. I already see people i went to high school with dropping slurs on their stories telling 'liberals' to watch out.. I feel so crushed
TBF Fetterman might as well switch sides at this point
I’m sorry FD but I firmly disagree with a lot of what’s being said here. Sure, misogynoir is a factor in her loss but it really does not account for the fact that the economy was a paramount issue for many voters and Trump is a populist. I mean, just this year Claudia Sheinbaum was elected the first woman president of Mexico as I’m sure you know, and Mexican culture contains a bevy of misogynistic aspects (not a value judgement, as I don’t necessarily think Mexican culture is any more misogynistic than others… just that it isn’t any less misogynistic either). Likewise, she’s a Jew who ran in a majority Catholic country. Plus we have to acknowledge the fact that people voted for a black woman (Ilhan Omar) in Minnesota but voted Stein in first place for president, with Harris and Trump coming in after, in that order. Thus, Gaza is an issue as well. So despite her identity, I think Harris was completely electable. That being said, if we look to the Bernie campaign, he did better than Harris with the minority groups that Trump saw gains with. It’s clear that people are highly concerned with the cost of living across demographics. When you say that this country is simply just right-wing or going through some sort of rightward shift, I agree to an extent, but we have to acknowledge that this is just speculation. Let’s not neglect the fact that Trump received fewer votes overall than he did in 2020, meaning less people overall are siding with his message. If anything, I would say that this combined with lower turnout compared to 2020 conveys apathy among voters rather than right-wing bigotry/vitriol. I am witnessing a lot of very de-spiriting conversations on the internet right now, mired with cynicism and blaming of our neighbors. We need to hold one another accountable but I find your positions overly punitive toward the average voter and overly generous to what was clearly a wack-ass campaign. I mean, they were eating with the “weird” stuff, and then randomly the Harris campaign staff decides that’s “too mean” when we are literally supposed to be fighting for things like bodily autonomy. If these people are truly your enemy, you wouldn’t concern yourself to that degree with decorum. I am sick and tired of the Democrats as well as the left always being the ones who are forced to come to the table when it comes to these issues. Whatever concessions we make, it will never be enough. If voters are as socially conservative as you suggest and the choice is between a centrist and a true right winger, why would they go for the knockoff rather than the real deal?
Uh, for the record, Minnesotan who voted for Ilhan here, and we absolutely did not vote for Stein over Harris. Especially with Walz on the ticket. Idk where on earth you got that from, but the actual vote totals for Hennepin County, which Ilhan represents, had Stein getting ~5K votes vs Kamala getting ~500K.
Also, Ilhan herself, even while criticizing the Biden admin over Gaza, still endorsed Kamala.
@ my mistake. I heard some statistics coming out of the Midwest with certain areas going for Stein at higher rates but I can’t find a source right now. So I am willing to concede that point.
Even Trump lost over 2 million votes this time. I think voter apathy had a major effect on this outcome.
Latino myself, so many people in my family decided to vote for Trump this year. It’s so disheartening
Can I ask why? What did they see in him?
@@fiel81not related to what op's reason could be but yeah as fd mentioned, a large number of Latinos voted for tr*mp prolly because they think they are white or they are in fact yt Latinos...
@ I live in CO and a big theme was the Venezuelan immigrants “they’re getting free money”, “they’re gonna take over” it’s fucking stupid clueless arguments and conspiracy thrown in. As well as the Harris campaign not actually offering anything of substance
@@fiel81conservatism, simple as that. Latin America is very socially conservative
@@fiel81
Not OP, but a lot of Latinos came fleeing from poverty (largely caused by U.S. sanctions btw) in communist dictatorships and immediately buy into the "Democrats are communists" bs rhetoric that Trump -and Reps in general- pushes, and instinctively vote against them. They believe Trump will be extra hard on their countries' government, helping to push the current regime out so they'll be able to return.
Ofc this is untrue and these beliefs stem from ignorance. Ignorance that's unfortunately left unadressed by most political actors...except for the Republicans, who actively feed into it and have been doing so for decades.
That people are acting like Kamala had to run a perfect campaign against a guy who did and said things that would have disqualify anyone else 10x over says all that needs to be said about this country today. Face it. This country is taking a sharp right turn and we're helplessly going along for the ride. I'm done caring about politics now and embracing apathy. Good luck. We will all need it.
True ppl were seriously saying they had to choose between 2 evils. 😮
she didn't need to run a perfect campaign, she needed to not actively give money for a genocide.
Yep it sure is, right in front of us. We are just watching. I’m checking out too
If it's true that millions people didn’t vote because of the Gaza, it is what it is. Though people also didn’t think about the fact that Gaza aren't the only people put in peril with Republicans, now immigrants, Trans people and others will have their livelihoods affected and damaged.
On top of that the Republicans have a trifecta. It what it is.
Couldn’t have said it better, spot on
I think this was way more a referendum on the Biden presidency than it was on Kamala as a black woman.
no. they didn't vote for a black woman. em by fool yourself.