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I had a 2009 Fleetwood 35 H. I put these on and it did help. But just a bit. Still had major issues on interstates and especially with cross winds. Take a look at Timbrines or Sumo. Both front and rear. Talking to a guy at a campground and he had the same 35H. He had either Timbrines or Sumo springs installed and problem solved. I ended up selling the Fleetwood and went into a small couples trailer. I had Timbrines installed on the rear of my 1/2 ton and couldn’t be happier.
We have the stabilizer and rear sway bar as well. We also have a rear track bar added on a 2018 Thor outlaw 37BG. I have purchased a front and rear set of Sumo springs which are going on tomorrow. I guess the last thing to add would be shocks. I did not find the swaybar to be a huge benefit either. The steering stabilizer definitely did help. Thank you for your comment about the Sumo springs and great job with the video.
2 more things to add. Sumo springs and a rear trak bar. And to finish it off upgraded shocks! With everything done it will almost ride like a DP. The F53 is a universal chassis. It’s designed for delivery trucks that may not weigh over 12k lbs where all the weight is stacked on the floor. And then for RV’s that weigh 20-26klbs that are top heavy. So the stock stuff is not any where near enough for RV use! Road master makes some excellent products!
Had we kept the Motorhome, I’d definitely be looking at adding Sumo Springs. We ended up switching back into a 5th Wheel and Truck - unfortunately no amount of suspension work will give you exhaust brakes, haha!
I have a 2005 Itasca with W22chassis, 8.1 gas that needs a rear upgrade. This is My 1st Class A, but former owner included a rear road master sway bar uninstalled. It's a bit different with longer U-bolts to replace shorter rear bolts to axel. I Do have to drill four holes but seems to be a sturdier set up when done, we'll see. Am hoping I can do it without raising the duals and help. Good vid to show approximate idea for me.
Well well well , looks like I’m going to add a few more upgrades to my rig , I couldn’t agree more with you on the driving fatigue , getting blown side to side and rocking back and forth. Those were big turn offs when driving this beast down the road! Thank you for the great video!
We just bought a 2004 forest river Georgetown and took it on our first outing last weekend on a 2 Lane Highway to go to and OHV Park to have fun and that was one scary ride. The wind happened to be blowing that day and we were going across the Prairie in north eastern Oregon and it buffeted us all over the place. So after watching this video we will be putting on The front and rear stabilizer bars and the steering assist. Thank you so much for your video, we don’t understand why factories don’t already incorporate these very necessary parts on their motor coaches.
I just took my bushings off and greased them since they were noisy. factory never bothered to apply grease. I put koni shocks on a F53 chassis and it made a huge improvement with wind and smooth ride. Must quieter inside too.
Great company, and people. Quality products as well! We try to be very selective about the companies we partner with, and RoadMaster is one of those great companies.
We love these informative/review videos. Even though, for now, we are only "wannabes" we always take notes! Thanks to you and thanks to RoadMaster! This was awesome!!!!
My truck and camper does the same thing when trucks pass me. I really hate it. The camper is so big and lite the sway nar does nothing. Awesome upgrade.
Excellent video. I have a 2018 Winnebago 28 feet.installed sumo springs big difference in handling. Working on a rear track bar next. Not sure if I will do the chf on front and rear.
I just did these same upgrades last week, and did them myself. It made a major difference in the drive-ability of the motor home!! As stated in the video, you can do it at home, but for the Rear Sway-bar you will need some tools that most people wont have (very large deepwell sockets, 300lb torque wrench ,etc), and a lot of human muscle. I am now considering adding the Sumo Springs upgrade (to reduce coach bounce), anyone know if they are worth it?
Soooo, do you honestly think that after seeing the video any normal person could install those themselves? How much did they charge to install the parts? I especially love when you ask if this is something you could do at home and he has at aided and said well, yes if you have the right tools.😜😆🦧
Hey Chuck, The following are MSRPs: RM Front Sway Bar (# 1139-148)= $674 RM Rear Sway Bar (#1139-149)= $913 RM Reflex Steering Stabilizer (#RSSA)= $395 Bracket for Steering Stabilizer (#RBK22)= $104 Total MSRP: $2086
There was an enormous difference after installation. Enough that I didn’t bother with any further upgrade to the suspension. Was there still a little left to be desired? Sure, but well worth the investment.
Look at that long rear overhang. My 34 foot Tiffin with factory Sumos, a 24,000 pound chassis and a 228" wheelbase with a short rear overhang and properly inflated tires (coach weighs 22,250 loaded) handles fine as stock--- it tracks down the road very well regardless of semi trucks passing and all that and is quite resistant to cross winds (I crossed the Great Plains twice this year including the Llano Estacado). I think gas coaches with short wheelbases, long rear overhangs and overloaded chassis are the ones with bad handling.
I drive a highway tractor trailer combo with the trailer being 53 feet in length. I was on the freeway with my buddy following going out to get a load. As I was passing an RV, my buddy yelled at me on the radio to look in the mirror. I looked back and saw a frame with glass shattering against the side of my trailer. My buddy said as I went by the RV that my rig had sucked the window out of the RV and it had blown over to my trailer, shattering it. The guy in the RV never even noticed as he didn't slow down or indicate what had happened. I never had that happen before or since. It was a newer RV so I don't know what happened to cause that but it was sure surprising.
Video well done!Am I correct in observing that you may have tried the Cheap Handling Fix (CHF) on the rear anti-sway bar, or is that the original position? Or did Roadmaster move it there? (I will try the CHF before installing anti-sway bars)Great explanation from CSR Graham Dudik about the priorities and progression to improve RV suspension. He was also helpful in me investigating if my Coach (18K F53) has a track bar which I may install in addition to a steering stabilizer. Thanks for sharing the prices. I'm sure labor was extra. Either way, it may be worth driving it to the factory just to install any upgrades. Thanks for sharing. You made a subscriber out of meSafe Travels!MatnKat
I did the CHF on my buddy’s F53. Made a noticeable difference. But nothing beats larger sway bars. The CHF is just that. It works for the price, but there are definitely better alternatives.
Great video ...it looks like something l definitely need ...but the big question is how much something like will cost me...does anybody knows before l make any decision and where l can go in the LA area in California
I’m serious thinking about doing this on my 2017 Coachman Miranda. If you don’t mind what was approximate total cost to have them do it with labor and parts. Also great video and keep doing them.
How is the Steering Stabilizer working right now? Just curious because some RV shops they don't recommend or install this product. I bought this Roadmaster Steering Stabilizer is just a matter of having someone to install it. On my class A Thor Hurricane 2014 34J it has to be bolted on a U bolt of a leaf spring (passenger side). I do not have the tool todo the job.
These are all great parts BUT I would put on Sumo springs first, they will make the biggest difference on body roll, getting hit with side winds weather its an 18 Wheeler if high winds. You will see the most right off the bad, every other part just makers it better and better..
I have not tried Liquid Spring before, so I can't comment. I'm not sure of their price point either, but this was a significant improvement a a decent price.
Looks like a great alternative to Sumo Springs. Thanks for a great video! I saw the parts listings in the comments. Can I ask how much the labor was to do the install?
Would you recommend doing air bag suspension or sway bars? Or both. We have the same rv chassis and I am frankly too scared to go road trip on it. It’s either this or selling it
The only experience I have with an air ride suspension is from my years driving a fire engine. So that’s a truck 3x’s the weight. It handled much better than this motorhome, but that’s kinda comparing apples & oranges. My guess is that an air ride suspension is going to smooth out a ride way better than anti-sway bars, but for the price of anti-sway bars you’re probably getting more improvement Dollar-for-Dollar. An air ride suspension is going to be prone to a lot more issues. My suggestion is to: A) make sure you’re properly balanced as far as load distribution. B) Invest in anti-sway bars.
Do the sway bar and look up sumo upgrade it's basically a rubber bump stop that sits on spring and takes alot of the sway out so you feel much safer on Hwy
GREAT video. GREAT Company. Now how the heck am I going to get there from here. I've got a 2019 Georgetown, that fits your description to a "T". I'm in Toronto, Canada. :( :(
This was an amazing video (commerical) for Roadmaster, I have a 2020 Forest River Georgetown and the first long drive I had a semi blow me right off the road, so I was asking about this from others but what they showed me had some issues, like if I blow out a tire I replace the suspension again. This is actually the whole length of the coach. you did a super job on making this. Thanks so much, I am sure I will have to beef up my maintenance account to install these but the sooner the better before I go on any more long drives.
Thank you for the video showing the difference after the upgrade. The driver seat appears to be altered from factory issue - did you place an after-market item on the seat? Thanks!
Ford does have their own anti-sway bars installed from the factory, but they’re not as substantial. The steel is apparently cheaper and less dense. RoadMaster left the factory bar on, because the said it “does do something”, just not enough.
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I had a 2009 Fleetwood 35 H. I put these on and it did help. But just a bit. Still had major issues on interstates and especially with cross winds. Take a look at Timbrines or Sumo. Both front and rear. Talking to a guy at a campground and he had the same 35H. He had either Timbrines or Sumo springs installed and problem solved. I ended up selling the Fleetwood and went into a small couples trailer. I had Timbrines installed on the rear of my 1/2 ton and couldn’t be happier.
We have the stabilizer and rear sway bar as well. We also have a rear track bar added on a 2018 Thor outlaw 37BG. I have purchased a front and rear set of Sumo springs which are going on tomorrow. I guess the last thing to add would be shocks. I did not find the swaybar to be a huge benefit either. The steering stabilizer definitely did help. Thank you for your comment about the Sumo springs and great job with the video.
2 more things to add. Sumo springs and a rear trak bar. And to finish it off upgraded shocks! With everything done it will almost ride like a DP. The F53 is a universal chassis. It’s designed for delivery trucks that may not weigh over 12k lbs where all the weight is stacked on the floor. And then for RV’s that weigh 20-26klbs that are top heavy. So the stock stuff is not any where near enough for RV use!
Road master makes some excellent products!
Had we kept the Motorhome, I’d definitely be looking at adding Sumo Springs. We ended up switching back into a 5th Wheel and Truck - unfortunately no amount of suspension work will give you exhaust brakes, haha!
That service rep did a great job.
I have a 2005 Itasca with W22chassis, 8.1 gas that needs a rear upgrade. This is My 1st Class A, but former owner included a rear road master sway bar uninstalled. It's a bit different with longer U-bolts to replace shorter rear bolts to axel. I Do have to drill four holes but seems to be a sturdier set up when done, we'll see. Am hoping I can do it without raising the duals and help. Good vid to show approximate idea for me.
Well well well , looks like I’m going to add a few more upgrades to my rig , I couldn’t agree more with you on the driving fatigue , getting blown side to side and rocking back and forth. Those were big turn offs when driving this beast down the road! Thank you for the great video!
Man that's one of the best videos I've seen that describes the problem and the fix. Great job.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
We just bought a 2004 forest river Georgetown and took it on our first outing last weekend on a 2 Lane Highway to go to and OHV Park to have fun and that was one scary ride. The wind happened to be blowing that day and we were going across the Prairie in north eastern Oregon and it buffeted us all over the place. So after watching this video we will be putting on The front and rear stabilizer bars and the steering assist. Thank you so much for your video, we don’t understand why factories don’t already incorporate these very necessary parts on their motor coaches.
I just took my bushings off and greased them since they were noisy. factory never bothered to apply grease. I put koni shocks on a F53 chassis and it made a huge improvement with wind and smooth ride. Must quieter inside too.
Summo springs and Air Tabs. Took care of everything on my 1999 F53. Can drive 8 -12 hours with very little fatigue.
Love their products. I'm sure they save lives! We bought front steering stabilizer for our 1988 P30 Winn.
Great company, and people. Quality products as well! We try to be very selective about the companies we partner with, and RoadMaster is one of those great companies.
Bought the RM steering stab. Glad I saw this to help me install it!
Very professional really good video but how much pay for this great upgrade and your RV ?
We love these informative/review videos. Even though, for now, we are only "wannabes" we always take notes! Thanks to you and thanks to RoadMaster! This was awesome!!!!
My truck and camper does the same thing when trucks pass me. I really hate it. The camper is so big and lite the sway nar does nothing. Awesome upgrade.
Excellent video. I have a 2018 Winnebago 28 feet.installed sumo springs big difference in handling. Working on a rear track bar next. Not sure if I will do the chf on front and rear.
Great video, thanks. Really liked the input from the tech and sales guys.
Glad you liked it!
Dude. Thank you for this video this was exactly what I was looking for in your explanation and coverage was amazing
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
Don't forget the sumo bags on top of the springs upgrade also it will be the icing on the cake
I just did these same upgrades last week, and did them myself. It made a major difference in the drive-ability of the motor home!! As stated in the video, you can do it at home, but for the Rear Sway-bar you will need some tools that most people wont have (very large deepwell sockets, 300lb torque wrench ,etc), and a lot of human muscle. I am now considering adding the Sumo Springs upgrade (to reduce coach bounce), anyone know if they are worth it?
I’ve heard nothing but good things about Sumo Springs. No first hand experience though.
Soooo, do you honestly think that after seeing the video any normal person could install those themselves?
How much did they charge to install the parts?
I especially love when you ask if this is something you could do at home and he has at aided and said well, yes if you have the right tools.😜😆🦧
Great info, how much did all this cost? I think all viewers of this video would love to know.
Hey Chuck,
The following are MSRPs:
RM Front Sway Bar (# 1139-148)= $674
RM Rear Sway Bar (#1139-149)= $913
RM Reflex Steering Stabilizer (#RSSA)= $395
Bracket for Steering Stabilizer (#RBK22)= $104
Total MSRP: $2086
Thinking of doing these upgrades to my own RV (2006 Gulfstream Yellowstone).
There was an enormous difference after installation. Enough that I didn’t bother with any further upgrade to the suspension.
Was there still a little left to be desired? Sure, but well worth the investment.
Great VIDEO!!!
I'M IN ON MY FLEETWOOD BOUNDER 36' F53 Chassis
Thanks Man
Look at that long rear overhang. My 34 foot Tiffin with factory Sumos, a 24,000 pound chassis and a 228" wheelbase with a short rear overhang and properly inflated tires (coach weighs 22,250 loaded) handles fine as stock--- it tracks down the road very well regardless of semi trucks passing and all that and is quite resistant to cross winds (I crossed the Great Plains twice this year including the Llano Estacado). I think gas coaches with short wheelbases, long rear overhangs and overloaded chassis are the ones with bad handling.
I drive a highway tractor trailer combo with the trailer being 53 feet in length. I was on the freeway with my buddy following going out to get a load. As I was passing an RV, my buddy yelled at me on the radio to look in the mirror. I looked back and saw a frame with glass shattering against the side of my trailer. My buddy said as I went by the RV that my rig had sucked the window out of the RV and it had blown over to my trailer, shattering it. The guy in the RV never even noticed as he didn't slow down or indicate what had happened.
I never had that happen before or since. It was a newer RV so I don't know what happened to cause that but it was sure surprising.
PS LOVED the factory tour and LOVED they are made in the USA!!!! Woooo Hoooo!!!! Sooo cool!
Is the reflex the same as the safe-T-plus ? I wish they would come standard with all this great suspension when they leave the showroom.
Video well done!Am I correct in observing that you may have tried the Cheap Handling Fix (CHF) on the rear anti-sway bar, or is that the original position? Or did Roadmaster move it there? (I will try the CHF before installing anti-sway bars)Great explanation from CSR Graham Dudik about the priorities and progression to improve RV suspension. He was also helpful in me investigating if my Coach (18K F53) has a track bar which I may install in addition to a steering stabilizer. Thanks for sharing the prices. I'm sure labor was extra. Either way, it may be worth driving it to the factory just to install any upgrades. Thanks for sharing. You made a subscriber out of meSafe Travels!MatnKat
I hadn’t tried the CHF, hadn’t even heard of it. I like the steering stabilizer, but the sway bars made the big difference.
I did the CHF on my buddy’s F53. Made a noticeable difference. But nothing beats larger sway bars. The CHF is just that. It works for the price, but there are definitely better alternatives.
Why not do the sumo upgrade also? I would think they would be another big improvement along with what u have and they are reasonable
Nice steering upgrade, thumbs up!
Great video ...it looks like something l definitely need ...but the big question is how much something like will cost me...does anybody knows before l make any decision and where l can go in the LA area in California
I’m serious thinking about doing this on my 2017 Coachman Miranda. If you don’t mind what was approximate total cost to have them do it with labor and parts. Also great video and keep doing them.
Great video, can you put link to the stabilizer you got? we need one !
Good video. Josh is a great mechanic. He really knows his 💩(stuff)😁. Give your beautiful family my love.😊❤🐾
How is the Steering Stabilizer working right now? Just curious because some RV shops they don't recommend or install this product. I bought this Roadmaster Steering Stabilizer is just a matter of having someone to install it. On my class A Thor Hurricane 2014 34J it has to be bolted on a U bolt of a leaf spring (passenger side). I do not have the tool todo the job.
Stabilizer is fantastic. It did come loose somewhat, and had to be tightened back down, but still effective.
This was great.
Thanks.
Nice Coach.
You need add-on rubber springs too.
These are all great parts BUT I would put on Sumo springs first, they will make the biggest difference on body roll, getting hit with side winds weather its an 18 Wheeler if high winds. You will see the most right off the bad, every other part just makers it better and better..
Does this modification work better than Liquid Spring?
I have not tried Liquid Spring before, so I can't comment. I'm not sure of their price point either, but this was a significant improvement a a decent price.
Looks like a great alternative to Sumo Springs. Thanks for a great video! I saw the parts listings in the comments. Can I ask how much the labor was to do the install?
Mine was about 700. Had a bit of rust so took longer.
Have you ever heard of sumo springs?
Ok. Bottom line. What did these mods cost you with installation?
Would you recommend doing air bag suspension or sway bars? Or both. We have the same rv chassis and I am frankly too scared to go road trip on it. It’s either this or selling it
The only experience I have with an air ride suspension is from my years driving a fire engine. So that’s a truck 3x’s the weight. It handled much better than this motorhome, but that’s kinda comparing apples & oranges. My guess is that an air ride suspension is going to smooth out a ride way better than anti-sway bars, but for the price of anti-sway bars you’re probably getting more improvement Dollar-for-Dollar.
An air ride suspension is going to be prone to a lot more issues.
My suggestion is to:
A) make sure you’re properly balanced as far as load distribution.
B) Invest in anti-sway bars.
Do the sway bar and look up sumo upgrade it's basically a rubber bump stop that sits on spring and takes alot of the sway out so you feel much safer on Hwy
Project Trek, great video!!! very informative, new subscriber
Thanks Joshua!
Thank you. This was so interesting and informative.
GREAT video. GREAT Company. Now how the heck am I going to get there from here. I've got a 2019 Georgetown, that fits your description to a "T". I'm in Toronto, Canada. :( :(
Hey Brett, contact them! They can ship to an installer. Fantastic products.
good info, thx!
This was an amazing video (commerical) for Roadmaster, I have a 2020 Forest River Georgetown and the first long drive I had a semi blow me right off the road, so I was asking about this from others but what they showed me had some issues, like if I blow out a tire I replace the suspension again. This is actually the whole length of the coach. you did a super job on making this. Thanks so much, I am sure I will have to beef up my maintenance account to install these but the sooner the better before I go on any more long drives.
Glad the content was helpful for you. Definitely the most bang for the buck to stabilize your coach while driving down the highway.
Nice video! I might have to upgrade mine :D
Thank you for the video showing the difference after the upgrade. The driver seat appears to be altered from factory issue - did you place an after-market item on the seat? Thanks!
How is it now half a year after your upgrade ?
Ride is still MUCH better than it was. Much less sway. Way more control.
Host , get this coach steering alignment.
Very informative Tks
Total cost for your project?
Great video
I really don't understand why the factory doesn't put these in every coach when their made, I'm sure they can add it into the price of the RV.
Ford does have their own anti-sway bars installed from the factory, but they’re not as substantial. The steel is apparently cheaper and less dense.
RoadMaster left the factory bar on, because the said it “does do something”, just not enough.
They left the OEM bar on the rear and replaced the OEM bar on the front.
2 more things to add. Sumo springs and a rear trak bar! And then to finish it all off, upgrades shocks. It will then just about ride like a DP!
They should put them on originally that's crazy
It's all about the Buck. Safety goes on the back burner.
The F53 chassis, does have a factory front anti-sway bar, but it’s just not enough.
GREAT VIDEO-ANSWERED ALOT OF CONCERNS !! STAY SAFE ! PATRICK.P
Very informative made a believer out of me. THANKS! Safe Travels.
Thanks Ron!