2 Dudes 1 Wrench Podcast - S01E03 - Jeep Suspensions, Overloading, HD Springs, Brake Kits and More
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- Welcome to the EPIC Adventure Outfitters Podcast, amazingly called "2 Dudes 1 Wrench". The title of this episode is "Do You Even Lift Bro" - a Deep Informative Discussion on Jeep Suspensions, Overloading, HD Springs, Brake Kits and Differential Re-gearing.
This episode is thrice as nice, being our very first 3rd outing behind the microphones. The Ginger even did some homework for this one and came prepared with papers filled with numbers... Shocking... we know. Thanks for tuning in and we hope that you find this episode thrilling.
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Really digging these episodes of straight talk and the little behind-the-scenes from what the consumer is typically exposed to
Keep doing these. Please. They're very informative but sprinkled with a good bit of humor as well. Love it.
Glad to hear that you found the information useful. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
everyone needs to listen to this episode… your discussion was incredibly insightful. I’m eagerly looking forward to the next podcast. Please, keep them coming!!!!!!!
If it's something we know how to do insightfully, this is it. Glad you found the info helpful. Thanks for watching and cheers from the team at EPIC!
Have you ever considered doing an episode on work truck gladiator builds? Guys like me who need to pack loads in the box and on racks every day but like to hit the trail on the weekends also. Luvn the podcast! Great content! Keep it going
I really like this podcast. There is a lot of good information that most forget when building rigs.
It’s so refreshing to hear someone who actually knows what hes talking about,no bullshit
That's pretty much how we conduct ourselves. It works for most people that come to us for advice, however some think we're too harsh or opinionated ha ha. We're just straight shooters and base our advice on real-world working knowledge, which is rare in our area of the world. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Best podcast out there. Would love to hear yall talk about to rock crawling aspect of these new jeeps.
Thank you, and we will get there I promise.
Guys, that was amazing! You honestly answered so many questions I had and thank you for including the payload discussion in this episode. I had mentioned I’d like discussion on that subject in the last video’s comments because I’m seriously wanting a Gladiator now and found the topic of payload in regard to Jeeps not super easy to decipher. I’m clear on it now.
I also was really interested in the topic of heavier duty springs in the rear and how that technically adds to the load capacity a bit.
One item you mentioned that I’d love to hear more on is around gearing. I’m particularly interested in the Gladiator Rubicon eco diesel but watching your videos, I’m always interested to hear you talk about your typical setup (3.5” lift and 37” tires) which looks amazing btw, but I always end with the question on gearing. I feel there’s a lot of opinion on gearing out here on the inter-webs, but I’d like to hear the facts and what you guys choose for different setups and why! It seems like just because you can keep stock gearing doesn’t necessarily mean you should from what I’ve gathered. I heard you mention (4.56 on Eco Diesel)
One last thing, I want to hear tons more on Jeeps no doubt about it, but one topic crossed my mind. The topic of adventure and overlanding itself! You guys actually go out and do this and I’d love to hear more in regard to, “How to plan an overland trip” “Does your shop offer information on overland adventures and if so how does that work?” “Durations and mapping through onX Maps” etc.
Thanks again for doing all this and sharing your knowledge. I look forward to the next episode and can’t wait to do some adventuring myself!
-Taylor
Huge thanks Taylor! We'll dive into the gearing in more detail in the future for sure (we just touched on it here). As for wanting to know more about planning and running an overland trip, we have this slated for discussion in the near future. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Two years ago when I was building out my Green Dog JT I went with Dobinson HD coils, so that I could carry my Air Fryer. Microwaves are so Canadian. Love the show
Also - The House batteries / solar panels etc. add weight. - I thank you for the conversations you are having. I enjoy the "not a sponsor product" but the real reasons and we have tried a bunch and this is what works best. Honest options are great.
You got it. We have access to so much suspension product and we do try it all out. We just want folks to leave with the best, longest lasting and suitable product for their vehicles in our climate. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Really enjoyed this, appreciate you doing the standard Rubicon build out.
Great stuff. Looking forward to the full size Ram discussions.
We have filmed one full-size RAM 1500 discussion and it will be coming soon. We'll do a 3500 in due time. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Thank you gentlemen finally someone talks about payload! I’ve been to expos and asked this question and they all avoid it. As a truck driver we’re scrutinized on weight daily and to make it easy everyone should load up their rigs and see how far over they are on gross vehicle weight at a cat scale.
Another excellent discussion. Thanks guys for doing these. I am looking forward to future subjects.
Thanks Vance! We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Being in the same business as you it’s hard to watch anything shop talk do to difference in opinions. That said, I love watching these. There’s been nothing iv disagreed with. These talks are so relatable and I enjoy them so much
Love the podcast. Started to count the added parts for the weight. 🙂
Thank for sharing this video. Love the content 😊
Excellent! Thanks for watching and commenting. We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
My brain learned something today. Good job guys. You actually held my attention for the full 57:03. Not once did my brain wander and start to type Xvi....
i got a lot out of this one, indeed! thank you so much. i have a 22 JTDR that i want to put a suspension on. this has been very helpful.
Awesome! Glad to hear that you found this episode helpful. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Great information! Also, love the Gingers wardrobe
I will let him know that his shirt worked for you in this podcast ;-)
he has paid clothing consultants now😂
I love this show 🎉
We love you too. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
great video.. I think with my build you guys have covered all suspension needs for a big-ass heavy rig.. hoping there's another 2 girls, 1cup,, or I mean 2 dudes 1 wrench... on what else is needed. (brakes .etc...) Please and thank you...
Great content folks. I cannot wait for the next one.
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Glad my espresso machine is light. Got to keep the weight down.
😂 Before I paid attention to GVWR I had my gas Gladiator Rubicon kitted out with a SmartCap, LRA fuel tank, loaded bed, AND was towing a small Airstream camper. It was really no wonder that I absolutely shredded my rear differential. Lesson learned.. now I’m extremely cautious about weight on my Sprinter.
So many of our clients are overloading their Jeeps without understanding the ramifications. We're super glad you found the info useful. Thanks for watching and cheers from the team at EPIC!
Two bears one cave knockoff lol 👍🏽
another great pod cast guys ☠
Thanks so much for watching! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
WOW!! Really loved this topic, very informative!! Thanks guys!!
Larry - just wait until you see what we talk about next! Ha ha! Thanks so much for watching and commenting. We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
@@EPIC-4WD you guys ROCK!!!
Duuuude’s,, epic doesn’t even come close. Love the show and totally awesome information. Giving me all kinds of pertinent information I need before I start upgrading. Keep it up!
Super happy that you're finding the information useful as you approach your build. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Ecodeisel build next!
Love that you chose the gladiator as your platform for the suspension topic.
We love the Gladiator and we're still seeing a 50/50 split at our shop between JLs and JTs. The JT crowd tends to carry more gear and overload their vehicles, thus we're educating folks every day on Gladiator suspensions, therefore this podcast topic ;-) Thanks for watching and Cheers from the team at EPIC!
I have the JTDR and this was super helpful. Thanks for a great podcast.
Thats alot of scottles😂
Love the pod cast boys
I have a gas gladiator rubicon, that I overland in as well as wheel badge trails so this was a super helpful episode. Cheers👍
Awesome! Thanks for watching. We're glad you found the information useful for your gladiator. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Damn good info cheers guys
Thanks David! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
If ppl who overload their jeeps are overloaders, what do we call the 4xe folk who wheel? 🤔. Ours came overloaded and overweight from the factory 😂. Keep it coming guys, awesome show. Hopefully you guys cover wranglers on another suspension episode later 🍻
Just bought a 2023 Gladiator Rubicon with 4K kms on it. Bought it mainly to take the grandkids for ice cream and slurpees with the roof off. Plan on putting a 2” AEV lift on it. Am I all good with that?
Very good
Y’all are naturally hilarious! The bonus is legit information because you both live this life style and have customers who are extremely popular UA-camrs producing evidence that’s backing up the shop’s suggestions.
You bet! Having our UA-cam friends as extreme testers is awesome as we learn a lot and have seen many things break, which directly informs our experience and advice! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
I listen and follow a lot of off-road related podcasts and with even just listening to these in the car and not watching them I must say: GREAT JOB!! How refreshing to be able to listen to direct information without that crazy junk commentary others release. In just 3 Episodes you’ve delivered a great easy to listen to informative release. . Rock on!
Great video. Could you guys talk about strengthening the frame. Adding an abundance of weight would require fixing the crumple point in the frame.
Guys- love your content and Ginger is hilarious. You guys are clearly at the top of your game when it comes to Jeeps…… but Subway??? Subway absolutely SUCKS. Their commercials show a big sandwich overflowing with meats- BUT in reality when you get a Subway sub its like someone sat on it. There tons of sub shops that are 1000% BETTER than Subway.
Hey hey hey... easy now. We're not necessarily fans of Subway, however we work in an industrial area and there's not much nearby, so Subway is typically a once every two weeks thing just because we're short on time. Regardless, we found the discontinuation of mustard at a sandwich shop totally a redonkulous situation. Thanks for watching and cheers from the team at EPIC!
Great video
Thanks Guys!
Love the content so far ...would love to hear about tires in the sense of maybe not how high but what people should do like an m/t , r/t and a/t...I hear that question asked In our local jeep club alot.
Thanks for watching and commenting. We appreciate you. As for tires, we covered off the top level stuff on tires in the last episode. Please go check it out if you haven't already. We'll be talking about tires again in the future for sure. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
reason why i love this shop so transparent and honest happy they work on my gladi 💯 % satisfied their workmanship are topnotch and unmatched
Our team thanks you for your trust and support. We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Love the content
Thanks for watching and commenting. We appreciate you. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Go with the NPR/CBC soft voice whenever you say “over-landing” from this point on.
ha ha good plan! Thanks for watching and commenting! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Really good
Thanks! Glad you found the info useful. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Another GREAT video men!! As I was watching I had questions pop up in my mind and you answered them all! Things like re gearing and if by beefing up the suspension, does it increase the sticker payload. One quick question though…how much cost is one looking at for a re gear?
Hey Mark! Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the information useful. As for re-gear pricing, it's all over the place, depending on where you live. We pay our guy about $2,500 Canadian for Dana gear sets installed. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
as an old salty Navy veteran, I NEED that shirt!
Yeah, that shirt was something! I'm sure the Ginger will have some more interesting shirts showing up on future podcasts lol. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Another good one. my eco jt sport s needs new suspension, the jks(previous owner) isn't great. Dream is the alucab setup but im on 35s. Being conscious of weight is very important. When I get back to vancouver island could get expensive. Ram prospecter is dope, would love to build a reg cab version, but for BC the gladiator/wrangler are perfect!
Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you found the weight discussion useful. If you need any advice before you proceed with your build, give us a call. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Excellent Podcast! So much useful info Guys. Looking forward to the next one. 😎
Thanks for watching and commenting! We appreciate you! We'll keep going with more episodes! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Great episode! Working my way towards the performance plus category 🎉 rock crawling is fun lol
Would love to hear more about your thoughts/experiences on long arm vs short arm in a JL. How did the gecko jeep perform with the long arm kit in comparison to a similar build with the short arm kit. Looking into my next steps towards more technical rock crawling for mine and thinking about going with a long arm at some point.
I'm floored. No mustard?! I mean the only condiments I use are mustard, oil, and pepper... so... yeah. That can't happen here.
Yeah, crazy we know! Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
So, Ginger you are saying, I have to take Vanna, and leave you at home. Sorry Ginger. Sacrifices! Don't bring water, bring a filter, and kill or catch your food as you require, or bring Skittles. It's all about weight savings. Nudist overlander is all the rage. Good reality check for your rig and build. I did Revolution 5:13 gearing cause I end up running in the mountains, so if I would be in Saskabush I would have run the 4:88 gears. Just empty every pocket.
Ha Ha ok Tim! Thanks for watching and commenting! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Great content, love it. Here in Australia, home of Dobinsons and ARB, we have quite restrictive vehicle modification laws. We are limited to a 2” lift and a 7% increase in tyre diameter from stock. You can exceed this by a small margin if you get an engineer to certify your changes are safe - costs $$. I’m assuming 37s and 3” lift are legal in Canada out of the “box” - no third party certification? Wish it were the case here. Keep up the good work. Cheers Simon
I would bet the mustard is in the mail.
Ha Ha for sure. Mustard packets in an envelope. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Excellent work once again! I listened to every word and was wondering if it's possible to add the breakdown of those 3 different lifts to a downloadable link. Your weather is very similar to mine here in Australia, so I'm interested in sending the over landing lift breakdown to my mechanic.
Thanks for watching and hello to Australia. We'll see what we can add to the video description for ya. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
No mustard at Subway? and they never had swiss cheese. Good culinary review.
We'll gradually switch this podcast to a culinary review for 2 guys that eat mediocre lunches on the daily. lol. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Do you see customers coming in wanting a "Rock-Lander" setup?
I run a '22 JLU Rubicon on 35s. I enjoy mild rock crawling (since it is a '22) but also camping on BLM land which can be logging roads to get in/out.
We lightly touched on long arm setups and the such. We will be having future discussions on long arm, skid plates, articulations, suspension travel and more. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Ginger, you need to watch Adventure Further Off Road if super large tire on overland vehicles drive you crazy. He has Mickey Thompson 43" tire on his overland Gladiator. Now, he does rock crawl, but he has a separate Gladiator build for rock crawling. He puts 43" tires on ALL of his Jeeps.
🤦🏻♂️
Always great information. I have had the pleasure to talk with Ginger, very knowledgeable and listens to my needs.
You mention the TeraFlex 3.5” HD rear coils, which is what I am looking for. Do you have that part number, I can’t find them on the TeraFlex site.
Oh wait!! Is it the Outback Coils?
Would you use those front coils as well when a steel bumper, winch, etc is added on the Mojave?
Yes, I plan on Falcon 3.3 shocks and all the other bits n pieces.
You do some MetalCloak lifts, (great stuff I did my JKU with MC).Thoughts on the new MetalCloak Black series shocks, pricy but damn they’re nice!! If they can hold up to our Canadian salt n brine winters!
Thanks!
Keep up the great content!
Yes sometimes they are called outback springs.
Great podcast and very relevant info. What changes if any would you make to the upgrade for a diesel JLU Rubicon vs your Gladiator example for overlanding? Still use the rear spacers? HD Springs front and rear? Keep up the great content!
Would love to hear more about these improvements and information on 2017 and older JKU’s. Since I don’t own something new enough to have these factors matter. Also, can the kraken work in a 2017 JKU?
Thanks so much for watching and commenting. We unfortunately only work on JLs/JTs. Our business model is to work on specifically what we drive daily/offroad and to only offer products that we have personally tested/used to have an informed opinion/advice. We haven't seen a JK in 5 years in our shop, so we feel we may not be able to offer relative proper advice on that platform anymore. However, most general information we share is transferrable to JKs/Jeeps. The Kraken was designed for the JL/JT, so the plates won't fit properly in a JK without some serious modifications. We were thinking of making a JK version, but we simply cannot keep up with the demand for the JL/JT, as we're constantly behind production and have long pre-orders. Maybe in the future! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Make mustard great again.
It is kind of weird, I don’t go to Subway much but the last time I went, they didn’t have spicy brown mustard and I had to get regular which was a little disappointing but if they’re getting rid of it all together that’s just weird, what snacks are you can get rid of mayonnaise and bread?😅
Can you do a video for adding 40” tires with the proper equipment. There’s been so much posted on what you “must” do but it’s always seems to be controversial.
Another Great Job Guys. What Are Your Opinions Or Thoughts On Springs With Air Bags?
Another sweet episode, but there is something that caught me off guard with this episode, and that's why is it that when you discussed the price, you did it in American money and not Canadian money . I thought you fellas were in B.C. Maybe at least do both for the ones that don't pay in American money . See ya next time.
Yeah, I was shocked when the Ginger showed up with American pricing (USD)! As half of our client base is actually American and 2/3rds of our social media followers are American, talking in USD is something we're getting used to. If you have any questions on Canadian pricing, just give us a call. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Do you guys sell these kits by chance? On the other side of Canada but would love to order the base kit that y'all have and just install it myself.
Rails of creatine. 😂
Where can I get that print out to get my local dealer to replace my steering box!?!?
It's TSB Number 08-003-21, Group 08 - Electrical from January 9, 2021.
Bakers Dozen ?!?
Out of curiosity what would be yalls recommendations for getting lockers in my gladiator max tow? Air? Electronic? Mechanical?
If you're concerned with hard core rock crawling, ARB air lockers have the best engagement, however Eaton electronic air-lockers are great as well - and a bit easier of an install as you don't need an air compressor and air lines, etc.
Overlanding Question: Jeeps are know for their off-road capabilities. But are y'all saying the Gladiator is not a great choice for overlanding because of it's puny payload & tow capacity? I will say we don't have to worry about law enforcement pulling us over to inspect our vehicles in Texas. I am able to drive my TJ with highline fenders without any flares. Texas isn't strict on vehicles. BUT...I do want to stay safe so how can one build a proper overland Jeep Gladiator?
Thanks for watching and commenting. Most people who want to overland and see amazing sights would be better served with a full-sized truck. That being said, the Jeep Gladiator is super capable out of the box and can take you anywhere, just be mindful of the limits on payload before you start carrying everything. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
what lift kit would you recommend for driving through 3-6 feet of snow so i can get to work
I live in Buffalo we measure snow by the foot
Just go with a set of portals and snow tracks. We have a set of tracks and love them lol. ;-)
Are the Rock Krawler triple rate 3.5 springs any good ? I was thinking about installing them on my JL392 and getting shock relocation brackets from MC. I’m trying to soften up my ride over wash board roads
I had Rock Crawler on one of my JKs, took it to the Rubicon Trail and everything. Never had an issue with there springs for what I was using them for on that build. As for how are the springs they offer now for the new JL/JT platforms, I have no personal experience with them currently.
@@TheEPICBeardedGinger okay thanks for the info and please keep doing what your doing with the Jeep Podcasts. You’re really helping me out understanding things parts as assembly of parts and all that good stuff so thank you guys.
No mustard and Halal mortgages, Canada is done 😢
Our country is in trouble for sure! Thanks for watching! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Great show. Is this on every friday and what time. Thanks
We are trying to drop one every two weeks or so, no exact release day of the week picked yet.
What is your opinion of the accuair system for the diesel gladiator?
We have not had the pleasure of installing one of these systems in our shop yet, its a neat concept my only issues is when you build and off-road vehicle to travel deep into unknown areas you want to keep things simple and easy to fix or maintain, so having a system with so many working parts that could fail make me nervous.
Can you explain the difference between metal cloak and Tera flex.
Two of my favourite suspension companies actually, Metalcloaks makes maximum articulation the main focus which I love for wheeling. While I love the way Teraflex manufactures parts that tend to hold up better in harsh climates.
Don't you think a lot of overlanders should be getting into half or 3/4 ton trucks instead of a Gladiator?
Yes. We've proven you can wheel a full sized truck in BC, if you don't mind scratching your paint all the hell... otherwise, it's totally doable for most scenarios/situations. We just build a Power Wagon on a Carli and 37s and it goes anywhere! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
I get my subs at the local sub shop weigh better than Subway
We don't have much in our local area unfortunately! Cheers from the team at EPIC!
@@EPIC-4WD sounds like an opportunity for you guys to open an Epic sub shop as an addition to your business
Wanna bake your brain? Run the numbers on a Ram 3500.
Oh, we're about to. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
FYI, you haven’t seen Bills wife 😂
Oh he sent pictures… 😮
We've seen way too much of Bill's wife.
We, the humble representatives of humanity, have a bone to pick with you Subway! Oh Subway, you've gone and done it now! You've committed the cardinal sin of sandwich-making by removing the beloved honey mustard from your menu. What were you thinking, you purveyors of bread and meat? Did you not realize that honey mustard was the glue that held our sandwiches together, the nectar of the gods that elevated our taste buds to new heights?
Your decision to remove honey mustard is a culinary crime against humanity, a mockery of sandwich artistry, and a slap in the face to your loyal customers. You've left us with a gaping hole in our hearts and our sandwiches, a void that no other condiment can fill.
Shame on you, Subway! You've lost your way, wandering aimlessly in the bland wilderness of sandwich mediocrity. Bring back the honey mustard, or face the wrath of the sandwich gods and the eternal disappointment of your once-devoted followers.
#GingerForOffice
0:16 The two dumbest things Subway has ever done: removed mustard, and removed the Roast Beef. They replaced RB with their take on Brisket, and its just a big fat NO.. its not brisket, is shit on a bun. Next thing you know, Subway is going to go full vegan.. Man I wish we had Quizno's or Arby's on Vancouver Island
Weird how any tool with ‘blue’ is made in china. Like cobalt is to craftsman :’(.
That little wrench has been used hard for years - every day. Cheers from the team at EPIC!
Really digging these episodes of straight talk and the little behind-the-scenes from what the consumer is typically exposed to
Just bought a 2023 Gladiator Rubicon with 4K kms on it. Bought it mainly to take the grandkids for ice cream and slurpees with the roof off. Plan on putting a 2” AEV lift on it. Am I all good with that?
That lift would definitely complete those tasks with ease.