Grand Central Madison: The LIRR and MTA's Newest Station
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Hello and welcome to Grand Central Madison, the LIRR and NYCs Newest station. Today we're going to be touring the brand new station to see what the LIRR's most recent foray into downtown NYC.
Station Information
Station Name: Grand Central Madison
Platforms: 4 Island Platforms
Tracks: 8
Station Depth: 140 ft
Station Length: 0.25 Miles
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- Chapters -
0:00 Hello and Welcome to Grand Central and the LIRR's Grand Central Madison!
0:44 Finding Our Way to Grand Central Madison
1:13 Downstairs to the Madison Concourse
1:54 A Great First Impression!
2:26 A First Look at the Infinite Concourse
2:47 What Is Grand Central Madison?
4:16 Station Maps, Future Entrances, and Shops
5:14 The First of Four Escalator Banks
5:45 Ticketing and Customer Service Desks WITH SEATING!
6:33 Pictures from the Construction Process
7:00 A Full Digital LIRR Map
7:18 Artwork Around the Station
7:41 Descending the 47th Street Escalators
8:23 The Mezzanine Level: The Filling in a Platform Sandwich
9:31 Up to Track 201
9:51 Short Trains and the Beginning of Full Service
10:22 The 7:44 Departs to Jamaica
11:18 Platform Information and Signage
12:07 Coupling Adapters Along the Platforms
12:49 An Arrival on Track 202
13:14 Mezzanine Level Features and Amenities
14:32 Cell Service 140 Feet Below Ground
14:51 Secret Stairwells to Track Level
15:05 8:18 Departure to Jamaica
15:33 Finding the 383 Madison Entrance
16:11 Connection to Grand Central's 47th Street Cross Passage
16:47 Next Week: Amtrak's SHORTEST Ride!
16:59 Thanks for Watching!
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the "out of place" doors at the entrance were actually installed last-minute due to ventilation issues. they are actually the reason the station didn't open sooner. hopefully the MTA comes up with a longer-term solution to this problem.
Interesting. That explains why they look so rushed. Hopefully a better solution is on the way, but for now I guess we're stuck with them.
Thanks for the comprehensive and very informative GC Madison tour. I'm planning a bus trip to New York just to see this underground masterpiece.
I'm glad you enjoyed. It's definitely worth visiting in person, as video just doesn't do it justice.
New York’s Grand Central Station is absolutely awesome and legendary!
Great video. I’ve been riding the RR my whole life, and as a daily commuter for nearly ten, and the execution of GCM has been nothing but a poop show, especially this past week with the new schedules.
At the moment there’s no locomotive that can be used as a rescue engine because of fumes and the ongoing ventilation issues. Presumably a disabled MU would be rescued by another MU set. The M3s, M7s, and M9s aren’t compatible, hence the auxiliary couplers on the wall. If there’s a power failure? Beats me.
Having the LIRR serving both Penn Station & Grand Central Terminal is a win win. Next is Metro North Railroad turn going to Penn Station. By the way Penn Station is located in Midtown Manhattan not Downtown. Downtown / Lower Manhattan starts at 14 St.
I spent so much time in Grand Central as a kid for many reasons.
Well paced with great photography! Your narrative finally had me understanding the layout and how to get around.
I'm really glad you enjoyed! I do my best to put together an entertaining and informative video, and it always makes me happy to hear that I've done just that.
Thanks for this video. I started working on this project in 2008 until an injury took me out in 2018. Best project I worked on. Thanks for showing me the final product! Will now make plans to go back and see it for myself.
I love these videos so much, they’re just so enticing to me
I’ve been there this march, it’s so beautiful 😍😊
Looks like a beautiful station!
That was a great video! I'm planning on seeing Grand Central Madison next weekend!
Thanks for stopping by, and I'm glad you enjoyed! Seeing the station in person is honestly the best way to experience it. My video may have been informative, but video really doesn't do the station's beauty and size justice.
Thank you for a good in-depth review of Grand Central Madison, I've been waiting for this! Also, can't wait to see next week's video. How about Boston - Back Bay sometime?
I'm I could be the one to supply the review! Next week's video is gonna be a fun one for sure. Back Bay to South Station sounds like another fun one, so I'll have to check it out sometime!
I used to hum the get-smart theme while walking through all the doors in the Madison concourse, back when it was just a shortcut to 46th and Madison.
Nice video. One thing - the high pitched sound isn't due to the new rails. These trains sound like this everywhere. It's the standard sound that the M7 traction motors make.
This was AWESOME!!!!
Thanks! I'm so glad you enjoyed!
One thing I would add to highlight is the trail tracks, I haven't noticed them being used but it storage for the trains instead of having to leave the station to get to a railyard.
Penn Station is in Midtown, Westside. Downtown is Wall Street, WTC.
Actually, most people don't access GCM through the lower level. I think most access through either the access by track 41, or the access at 47th Street. People going to Yankee games will access through the lower level. This is part of my walk routine in the afternoon. Excellent video!!! FYI, as I stated, Penn is not Downtown Manhattan.
Not downtown when referring to Manhattan, but more like referring to the entirety NYC's downtown, or perhaps to Manhattan uptowners.
❤ awesome 👍❤️💚☮️🍺🧘💐💕🥳💯💓
Bizarre that they couldn't get retailers lined up ahead of the opening in one of the world's busiest train stations. That would be like ATL opening a new concourse with a bunch of empty space where shops should go.
It’s a hard sell
I'm sure retailers are nervous with the unpredictable passenger fluctuations.
Maybe one of the busiest in the US.
Worldwide it's passenger numbers are considered moderate
I'm pretty sure the LIRR EMUs sound like that whether on new rail or old, and whether indoors or outdoors.
Nice video 👋
Thanks!
There is another operating exit on 48th St. an elevator that goes up to street level
GCM: happy LIRR commuters
Penn: Hellmo
I'll be honest, I've seen the beginnings of the new LIRR concourse at Penn station, and it looks really good so far. Hopefully that'll help fix people's views on Penn, but for now, GCM is much better.
8:13 surely slides would be more efficient!
NO, I DON'T THINK SO!!!
Ya better have a good pair of shoes it’s a ok walk to lirr
I don't live in the NYC area, but I heard the current LIRR schedules for this station are bad
I'm not local to the NYC area, so I have no idea what the new schedules are like.
The schedules for this station are fine, it's the cutbacks at other stations to accommodate this that are a mess. They turned Brooklyn service into a shuttle, transfers no longer sync at Jamaica, some express trains cancelled.
I like the fake shops. Are the train units electric or have gas motors if burn gas how is exhaust gotten rid of?
They're all electric. Presumably if the LIRR wanted to run their diesel routes out of Grand Central, they would have those locomotives switch to third rail power when in the tunnels and at the platforms.
@@LonestarTrips NYFD would never allow diesel locomotives in the tunnels to GCM anymore than they allow them in the east river, north river tunnels or penn station. and the de/dm30acs dont fit in the 63rd street tunnel anyways.
1:39 only the MTA would think this is a good idea
From what I've heard/read, the doors were added to help with some of the ventilation issues around the station. They weren't a part of the initial design, and were added very late into the construction process, which is why they look so out of place.
@@LonestarTrips knowing the MTA, this is definitely their permanent solution as well, not actually fixing the vents
How is it now "rail road"? It's a railroad.
Because LIRR is the oldest chartered RR in the nation, 1834. At that time, rail road was two separate words.
No seating. How does a station have no seats? Boarding your train is an option when you know if it's heading to your destination. That's not an excuse for not having seats. Also those supposed manned ticket counters won't be manned (just like in other areas ) instead you'll be opted to use the machines or app. Also there's a great underestimate as to who will use this station.
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@@LonestarTripsclearly not enough by design. The commuters are already up in arms about it. The station does look nice yes but it's function have some utility flaws.
@@odemata87 Yeah it's entirely understandable that commuters would be annoyed by this design choice. My only issue with the backlash is that because it's a terminus station, trains often just wait at each track until departure, so you can board and get seated well ahead of departure.
Like Moynihan Train Hall, Grand Central Madison seems to have been designed to make it less appealing to homeless folks by not having seats or benches outside of ticketed areas. Whether or not that's fair is up to each individual. Personally, I don't have a problem with seats limited to such an area as long as there's enough seats to go around.
It's a commuter rail station! As there aren't any restaurants yet presumably most would eat in Grand Centrals food court or shop in many of its shops! Afterwards when close to departure they'd board the trains! The trains are typically available for boarding twenty minutes prior to departure which really is enough for most arriving passengers to grab a seat! Also most passengers would just go to Penn Station which is really only ten minutes away by train, since eastbound departures are staggered between the two!
Your commentary about the lack of signs - is a sign that something is very wrong with the design approach. The LIRR and Metro-North don't integrate rail service. In fact, as you start out the video you claim Grand Central has a new operator to its tracks. This is technically incorrect as the station was opened in 1913 and the LIRR tracks are in fact NOT attached at all. When the LIRR negotiated with Metro-North to bring service in via the 63rd Street tunnel, Metro North denied them access to the main terminal, which is why the LIRR was forced to construct a two-level 8-track stub-end terminal in a sub-basement 140 feet below the street and the 1913 Terminal. The new station is way overbuilt for handling only 50,000 riders per day. Some will say - oh well covid. Well, the new Elizabeth Line in London a two-track system connecting west suburbs with central London and then to two separate destinations in East and Southeast London - is moving 600,000 per day in its first year of operation (post covid). That is more daily riders than all three NY metro Rail Roads' (NJT LIRR Metro North) daily ridership combined! Why the difference? In London and every other city in the world, they build new stations that operate through town, nobody builds a new 8-track terminal only meant to serve (in this case) only Long Island. This failure can be fixed if Amtrak's Gateway avoids making the same mistake at Penn Station (they too are planning a new 8-track terminal by knocking down a block of Manhattan) and instead, rehab tracks 1-4 at Penn and connect it to Grand Central Madison allowing Long Islanders to reach New Jersey with a one-seat ride and New Jerseyites reach Queens, Long Island, the Bronx, Westchester, and Connecticut with a one-seat ride. Imagine taking an LIRR train and not worrying which station to get off at? Also, NJT did a study that said 36% of their rides need access to GCT. The need is there,to make a connection between Penn and GCM but the political will is not. The public needs to get more engaged.
what a gigantic waste of money.
not really a waste a money. first it gives persons that live in Long Island and queens easy access to the midtown and the east side (easier to get to the lex ave subways) since a majority of ppl work in that area so they don't have to take the train one stop to Times Square and then shuttle to the east side (2.75 does add up after a while and they still haven't add OMNY yet to the LIRR which I still dont get it). The concourse layout is very simpler (I dont know why ppl are up in arms about it when it just a simple concourse). the signage is excellent (its actually better than Penn Station and GCT itself). and most importantly I provides a very important connection to metro north (so ppl can travel to Westchester County, The Bronx, or Connecticut. I think that may seem like alot of money but believe me it actually is well worth it. now we can be like other cities with mass transportation systems across the globe. now lets get the second avenue line finished as well as the interborough express line complete so ppl don't have to cut through Manhattan to get to queens or vice versa. If we going to be a global city we need to provide better transportation for it and it means spending money.
@@anthonyellis1962 all this did was destroy one seat rides into NYC. this project made sense in 1952, not 2023. Imagine if those billions were spent on last mile transportation in Queens, Nassau and Suffolk. That would lead to a true global city.
@@winstonsmith2902 well...wasted money i wouldn't say cuz of the metro north connection (which is very important if u have to go to Westchester County or The Bronx and u don't like the use the subway). and over the cost of time we will see the benefit from it. And let me explain how a one seat ride works here. before grand central if u wanted to get to the east side u had to get off at woodside or Jamaica and use the subway which is 2.75. or u go to Penn station and u had to either take a lengthy walk (remember thats 8th avenue) or take two subways (which again is 2.75). a grand central terminal is a one seat side (meaning I don't have to pay an extra fare. so your thinking about destroying the one seat ride is completely wrong. GCT will work itself out in the course of time. and we still have two other projects the IBX that connects Brooklyn to queens which is close to approval. and at least the 2nd phase of 125th street (I don't know if the 3rd or 4th phase will happen in ten years that we shall see). but lets not be bitter and call things waste of time when it actually does work (ppl need to start seeing it that way). im a engineer myself and an advocate.
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Boondoggles are what they are, but this is one of the prettier ones!!!
looks half finished. no retail not enough signage to find your way out. doing away with timed connections at jamaica, no island platform at mineola, no through trains to bk, no improvements to diesel branches... $15billion lit on fire. lirr/mta has screwed the pooch on gcm for 20+ years.
1. Retails will pop in as time passes by.
2. Signage is very detailed and the concourse’s design is very simple.
3. $11 billion dolllars was spent not $15 billion
4. Better late than never ngl. GCM was needed.
@@aqua2poweros699 $11 bill on gcm itself + billions more im esa readiness projects(mainline expansion, mass park pocket track, etc). signage sucks.
@@Mike-hf8kq idk what's wrong with the signage. and also, we're talking about GCM itself. Third Track and Pocket Tracks were side projects which didn't cost so much. They also help a lot with service now. Plus, I heard Third Track was completed on time and under budget.
@@aqua2poweros699 third track, jamaica reconstruction, pocket track etc are all part of the over budget, 20 year past due esa. their is not a single part of anything the lirr has done recently that delivered amything they promised, that wasnt half assed, ill conceived etc. too name a few no island platform at mineola(and the messy crossover now to OB branch), double track to KO(only now finally half hourly service to KO), elmont station(complete waste of time and money. $ better spent on fixing existing belmont east spur and using existing underused belmont station that is closer to the arena!, putting the switch back in so trains from east end of wye can go down mainline should have easily been part of 3rd track project. other issues removing high speed switches in qnz interloccking as well were bad moves). the brooklyn shuttle and removing timed transfers at jamaica. doing nothing to improve diesel branch service(3rd track opened space on mainline and esa opened slots in penn station. why arent we running DMs into penn station all day instead of sitting in yards? no plan to replace the insufficient qty of c3s amd dm/de30acs. or been talking about expanding electrification forever. electrify to port jeff at minimum! would ease the issue of not yard/capacity at HUNT as perfectly good yards at port and free up coaches amd engines for montauk/oyster bay. even the speonk to montauk signalization project was penny wise pound foolish putting in only 2 true interlockings on the branch. LIRR has screwed the pooch on everything its touched in last 20 years at least.
and as for GCM, i wandered around for 20 min trying to figure out how to get up to street level i was looking for. coming home after finding i had an hour before a train left(was before full service started)i wandered around some more and never did figure out how to get from GCM up to GCT proper. did find a corridor with steps leading up to platforms for the 100 level tracks, but not to the lower level concourse.