Why can’t ineos cover certain things like travel logistics etc Why can’t ineos build the stadium and ‘sell’ it to Utd like Madrid did with the government and their training ground?
Did anyone consider that it's a strategic move by INEOS to remove many of the liabilities that bloat the club's valuation, in order to acquire the whole club for less? E.g. it doesn't benefit them to repair the stadium, as that would increase the value of the physical assets. It's the same with players: selling Garnacho for 50m & signing Dorgu for 40m lowers the club's value by 10m, making for a cheaper takeover bid.
Looked into fum. Why are u promoting this garbage, especially with kids watching? The DR on the site looks like a bum of the street they paid and threw in a DR outfit. Disappointed howson BIG time, yeah you make affiliate money but here your complaining about ticket prices. This just highlights everything's about money. you're just doing what ineos are doing, sacrificing new addictions for your profit. Bloody sad and especially with kids viewers that you have.
Stephen, as a neutral (Spurs fan), I appreciate your love for your club but I feel like you're seeing the football world with rose tinted glasses. Imagining the days of where everyone knows everyone elses name, the chairman comes to the local pub to talk about the mrs and you know stories of players mums and dads from the "old days". Football is completely and utterly a business now. It isn't about the football. We are not fans to the clubs, we are customers, simply, sadly and purely customers.
Pin this comment bc it’s spot on. You can be a romantic about this topic or you can be a realist. Unfortunately it will never be the same as it was for any of us. Football has changed and it will not go back.
By the way, Steve, you might it amusing (in a horrible way) to read an interview with Ratcliffe in the Times dated 23 November 2019 headed "Sir Jim Ratcliffe: Buy a Premier League club for billions? I’ll never be the dumb money" As it is a paywall usually, I'll set out a few sentences for anybody who cannot access the article: "Sir Jim Ratcliffe has the riches to buy any British club including Manchester United, the team he supported as a boy, and he has cast his eye over quite a few in the top divisions. “You might be surprised how many are happy to have a conversation,” he says. Britain’s richest man toured Chelsea with a view to a potential purchase; examined Newcastle United’s potential stadium growth (not great); and cast an eye over Leeds United, among many other English clubs......Ineos [his multinational chemicals company] never wants to be the dumb money in town, never, never,” he says over coffee, happily setting aside his usual mistrust of the media for as long as the conversation is around sporting passions rather than, say, the rights and wrongs of fracking....... .....Dumb money? He feared he might become exactly that if he dived into buy, say, Chelsea, where he had a tour of the Cobham training ground before preliminary discussions revealed a huge differential between what Roman Abramovich would want - believed to be north of £3 billion - and what Ratcliffe was prepared to pay. How about United, assuming the Glazers were willing to sell? “Not at the moment, no,” he says. “They are in quite a big pickle as a business. They haven’t got the manager selection right, haven’t bought well. They have been the dumb money, which you see with players like Fred.” Ratcliffe goes on to explain how the sums quickly become prohibitively expensive, even for him, when the big six in England are now valued at £2 billion and above. At Chelsea, it is not just the price but potentially four years of stadium reconstruction.“So you quickly get into some pretty stratospheric numbers,” he says. “And even though clubs have those valuations today, nobody has ever paid those amounts of money. How much did Abramovich pay for Chelsea, £100 million? The Glazers [at United], what £500 million? You can say it’s worth three, four billion but no one has ever paid those sums. “Ineos has always tried to take a sensible approach. We don’t like squandering money or we wouldn’t be where we are today. It’s part of our DNA, trying to spend sensibly.”...... .....He volunteers that raising the profile of the Ineos brand is part of the mission, especially now that the company has moved into the consumer market with the purchase of the Belstaff clothing company and especially the £1 billion sunk into the Grenadier project to develop a new version of Land Rover’s Defender. “Everyone used to call Ineos the largest company you had never heard of,” he says. “But that is changing. It also has some subliminal benefits of Ineos being better known. We are looking at some larger deals in the Middle East and China, people are a bit more familiar with the name.”
There were also a sensible group of fans who always knew a full sale was the only way... bailing the Glazers out by purchasing a minority stake with no plans of clearing the debt was always going to fail. Ineos are failing, simple as.
@@ste4392 I don't work for the Raine Group, so you'd have to ask them who all the bidders were. There were a handful of "public bids" and we know there was at least one other full bid from the nine two foundation. We also know Ineos' first bid was a full bid, not for the 25% he ended up with. Winning the bid was all that mattered to them, not what was best for the club, and if you can't see that... I'm sorry. A desperate owner will lower their asking price if no one bails them out... imagine if an American financial firm did the Ineos deal... imagine the outrage. SMDH
@@ste4392Qatar did, Fabrizio even reported like the deal was about to be done before INEOS last minute offered to buy 25% for what 60% is worth allowing the glazers to stay on and profit from a second full sale later on when the club is worth even more. Expecting Qatar to then double their original bid that was seen as generous and already 30% more than the club was valued in order to match INEOS delusional 25% valuation for the entire 100% is just having his pants pulled down in front of the world business wise so he backed off. It’s 100% sir Jim’s fault if he could just lose like a real man we’d have a new stadium being built, better players and no debt right now
@@ste4392if you have a twix you wanna sell for £5 and I offer you £5 and £3 for future snacks then some kid who offered £4 comes and offers you £3 for 25% of the twix and the potential of a second twix bar to sell later. A business man takes that second bid.
I know Stephen hates it when people say the club would have been better with Qatar, but it’s true. Ineos don’t care about the club, they are glazer facilitators. It’s obvious to see
@@silkysilv101 so true but they just cant see it cause there real fans match going fans what about ones that travel over all the fucking time spend 100s 100s coming over to be treated like shit on match days they just getting there eyes opened to what is suppose to the theatre of dreams not cons
@@ste4392 let not talk rubbish the funds were there it was just the spin journalist put on it so Jim ratboy betrayal iam a Utd fan that wanted to buy Chelsea and Qatari Pif funds are biggest in world
As a man of the military I would’ve expected you to know the role of the lone piper He plays the signal the call the end of the battle, he also pipes the departed to the gates then stops for he may not pass. The Queen,Sir Matt and many others have had a lone piper, it’s the ultimate tribute
I gave my season ticket up i 2013, the last game i went to was our last time of parading the PL trophy, i vowed i wouldnt set foot in OT until glazers were gone, - this stood true ,and this season has been my return to OT i have been to about 8 games this year, and plan on trying to get a season ticket, but with what has happened post Oct with the cuts im holding fire on this....
@@sloppygoo yes and going, as the contract states they are going, their time is limited , given the standard 2-3yr wait list for ST they will be gone before i get it
I’ll say it again like I said it during the sale. The only way out was a full sale, any option to keep the glazers would result in failure BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS THE GLAZERS FAULT. You cannot nickel and dime your way out of a billion dollars of debt and if you think Ineos can do it then I’ll be here in another year’s time to say this AGAIN!
The problem is that the Glazers never had to sell. They want to squeeze every last drop from he club. People make it out as if a sale was guaranteed and it was a matter of who would buy, Ratcliff or Qatar. I think they would just have waited if no offers met their price.
@ I understand with your sentiment but the reason I disagree is because the club is so unsustainable to the point where we’re in 13th, old trafford is rotting and we’re firing staff and cutting bonuses. There is no way to cost save this club to the top of football when we’re already down a billion. Either they’ll keep the club and keep losing value or they’ll crack under pressure eventually. I thought SJR was going to save them but it appears that he doesn’t have the funds either
@@primoUTD I'm not sure what you mean by "save them". If you mean save the team with investment, PSR doesn't allow for huge cash injections to happen. If you mean paying of the debt, I would honestly be impressed with the Glazers if they managed to get a minority shareholder to pay off the debt for them without giving him more shares. Which they won't do, because that would be acting in the interest of the club instead of their bank account.
Villa fan here, we are going through the exact same thing. Active reduction in season tickets, all digital tickets, reducing concessions, price increases, worse facilities, charging for disabled parking, treating former players like shit. This is the ugly side of the premier league machine.
Couldnt agree more Ste. Inoes should have been savvy enough to understand that they would be under intense scrutiny given the wealth of ill feeling towards the Glazers. And they have made some decent decisions in their tenue so far, such as immediately targeting footballing people for the new structure. But my god have they dropped the ball in terms of their relationship and reputation with the fans. Are the ticket price increases, the cutting of staff and the removal of staff perks _really_ going to make a considerable difference to the club's finances in terms of PSR? Of course not! In terms of the club's overall finances, whatever Ineos have saved so far is pocket change in comparison. Ny biggest concern, as a hardcore supporter since 1986, is that in all of these years the experience for us fans has gotten worse, the football has gotten worse and it now feels like the club literally dont give a flying fuck about us at all. We are just digits on a spreadsheet to them. And then we look at the very public gaffs they have made in auch a short space of time (as you mentioned, Ten Hag, Ashworth etc) and it bodes ill. Ill admit i was pro Qatar at the time. BUT.......... All i wanted from them was to come in, clear the debt, provide funds for a new stadium and then leave us well alone and let us live off the profits we make as a club. As we used to do!
Ineos made good decisions when,? They sacked Ashworth after 5 months he was on gardening leave longer 😂😂😂 Ineos the worst thing to happen since the glazers.
The fans were so excited when Jim Ratcliffe took over. Almost like he was the hero who would restore Man Utd's glory days. When i found out a deal was imminent i did some research on him. I watched the Ineos UA-cam channel, and it became apparent that he was not going to be a popular part owner. He came across as a bully who preys on the weak and a person who is surrounded by sycophants who are absolutely terrified by him. He's the archetype bully nightmare manager. I remember that email he sent when he first took over that was strategically leaked, about the offices and stadium a mess and how the staff need to keep the place tidy. Of course he can say what he likes to his staff, but to me it seemed like he was trying to belittle the staff behind the scenes and using them to send a message. Ive experienced similar things with new managers trying to set the tone when they first take over. Starting with the small guys is a cowardice move to me. Also, reports that Ashworth was let go because Ratcliffe didn't think he was an 'Alpha male' says it all really.
You a prat mate he bought a small amount of shares I was not excited and done know anyone who was, he was just helping the glazers stay and borrowing a load of money day to do it.
Even if we think what Ineos is doing is legitimate (which no one does anyway). The fact that they haven’t come out and said anything why they’re making these changes is nothing short of couldn’t care less of what people think attitude
@@redroobarb4562 must’ve missed this one. They’ve since sent out a letter. Really insulting. Penny pinching with peoples jobs. There are other ways to make money back into the club n selling our best Academy players isnt it
We all got carried away when Jim came in but he empowered the Glazer's and kept them in power. INEOS are a business if Jim was such a huge fan he could of brought them 100% as Jim Radcliffe. I have stopped eating Nissin noodles I hope this forces positive change.
Ineos , are just more glazers, borrowed to buy the club don’t want to invest capital and stoped a full sale. Radcliffe is the second worst thing to happen since the glazers.
I recall getting shouted down on the Stretford Paddock comments when I said that this is exactly what INEOS would do. The warning signs were there as they’ve done the same thing with every sports team they’ve been involved in. SJR is merely the British Glazers and United fans were too blind to see what was right in front of them
Paddock boys have delusionally backed every decision by the club from coaches the ownership to transfers- I’ve been watching for 10+ years now and have learnt not to take their analysis seriously they’re wrong 99%
@@alexschofield944 lol ste deleting my comments now because I brought receipts to backup your comment and other cases of them delusionally backing every wrong decision the clubs made in 10 years of watching FTD/Paddock Shame that comment took ages to write lol. Classic British just censoring speech
I've lived down south most of my life and used to go to many home and away games yet its not just ticket prices its train travel that's gone through the roof too. Strangely hotels which I never used to bother with are cheaper and better
The bottom line to all those folks saying ineos have the money or that qatar didn’t is that neither got hold of the club and all the debt is still there, the stadium is still falling apart from lack of being taken care of and the glazers are still here… Ineos or Qatar neither have saved us and we cannot be saved until the glazers go and the debt they bought the club on and accrued while owning us is wiped away… I also don’t care about sportswashing or greenwashing because in reality the type of money it will take to buy our club and fix it will have a negative connotation that cones along with it because no one gets that rich being a saint…
I may be wrong, but I'm sure you were on a podcast the other day saying fans need to accept the cuts. That United can't afford to keep the commitments that were already in place.
Man United is the richest club in the world. Why should the fans accept cuts? You need a new stadium, new players, and a new culture. The Glazers should pay up.
Wouldn’t be cutting if Qatar won the bid and INEOS didn’t undercut them by buying 20% share to the value of 50%. Qatars official final proposal involved 1bil pledged for stadium and another 1B for debt and another 1B for players on top of 6B for the club
@@yellyman5483yep INEOS bought their 20% valuing the club at 9B when it’s worth 6. Qatar wanted to pay 6 but their bid was worth 9 with the additional 3B being pledged to fixing the club. Jim gobblers like Ste never acknowledge the real facts of the takeover
@@yellyman5483 we both know that will never happen. Qatar was going to build the stadium clear the debt and fix the squad. Sir Jim wants to do the same without investing a cent of his own money into it just using the clubs revenue that is needed for the squad atm
I think things will still be fine and its only up from here. 1) I don't think INEOS is trying to make money with these moves I think they are just trying to stop the bleeding 2) EVERYONE thought Ashworth was the guy - when it seemed like he wasn't then it took some balls to part ways quick instead of just hoping it works out 3) I do think Amorim is the right guy and now, 20/20 hindsight we really should've hired him last June or let him stay at Sporting until next June while RVN tried his best with a 4-3-3 but it still made sense at the time for him to get in right away. Remember he was super successful at Braga and Sporting IMMEDIATELY 4) 99% of our problems, especially squad build and financials, are pre INEOS. Yes, I hoped they could just flip a switch and fix it quick but that is clearly not going to happen. This season might be gone (Europa or FA Cup maybe?) but let them clear out the high salaries and mistakes first - they can't do it overnight!
Ratcliffe sat on the knee of the Glazers with no emphasis on purchasing more shares to remove the Glazers is not going to do a good job at this club. Ineos own 100% of Nice FC and wrecked the club. So why are you expecting good things?
It would be good to see attendance drop significantly just to show that you can't just whack up the prices whenever. But of course we know that won't happen (for now anyway).
I've been saying since UTD announced the staff layoffs. Why don't they just the naming rights to our current stadium Old Trafford?! That would bring in around £100m per season. It's a world famous stadium.
Trust me it’s sucks rn but we need to realize what’s actually going on here. Sir Jim and INEOS are smarter than we think. He went into the this saying to the Glazers, “everyone hates you, WE will be the face of hate for a while, we will make the cuts and hard choices to become self sustainable again.” We were on the road to becoming Barcelona. Injecting money into the club will only clear the debt. And sir Jim only owns 28 percent. He already paid 2 billion or whatever it was to buy 28 percent and then injected another 250 million after that. His plan is to buy the glazers fully out, but he has to be patient until the glazers are ready to do that because they see us as a money asset and want as much as possible before walking away. Once sir Jim owns the whole club, he will clear the debt and we will be self sustainable again because of what he’s doing on the financial side NOW hence he said we want to be competing for UCL and PL by 2028. The fact is we almost became Barcelona and he doesn’t want to pull all the “selling tv revenue for the next 30 years” levers because now Barcelona are screwed for basically ever. He wants to fix the financial side and make us self sustainable and build a new stadium with his own money, (probably will be named old trafford present by INEOS to get more money in) but the FACT IS we were so financially destroyed that just injecting money wouldn’t fix our sustainability problems and he’s not going to just inject his money when until he owns the whole of the club. None of us would either. The fact is the glazers are still the problem and holding back sir Jim from actually fully taking over and putting his money in. I love mark but we are stuck with INEOS forever so might as well try and understand what he’s doing. Yeah we will be restricted on transfers for a while until we can get the finances sorted just shows how screwed we were to begin with. But I think we are on the right track.
I genuinely think the ticket price and the cuts has impacted the play in the pitch. How as a fan in the ground are you meant to feel genuinely connected and support those boys and the club when they’re fleecing you for every penny you have, and if u have the cheek to miss a game cuz family commitments or work god forbid😭it just creates a negative environment amongst everybody and that translate in every part of the club. The training ground and pitch too.
if they want to raise ticket prices because this is Manchester United than the performances on the pitch better resemble Manchester United. I saw Sir Jim's quote of coming to see united shouldn't cost as much as Fulham. He's right because based on performance, united tickets should be cheaper
INEOS don't have a great record in any sports teams they've invested in, it's a myth they're experts. Cycling, since 2019 they've turned serial winners Team Sky into also rans. F1 they invested into world champions Mercedes in 2020, now they're also rans. Sailing no glory there. In football, Nice have done nothing special. Alot of the assumed sports pedigree comes I think from Dave Brailsford association. He was brilliant 10-15 years ago, 'marginal gains' etc but the world and sports science, data analysis has moved way beyond. The only football people they've bought into Utd is Wilcox and the transfer guy. One green shoot: I think the summer transfer window 2024 was not too bad, in terms of fees paid and wages given.
Instead of demanding the glazers use a portion of Ineos investment to reduce the debt, they felt cutting £10 on Christmas gift cards is the right way to go… if the glazers had put in just a couple hundred million from the sale to Ineos, it would’ve freed up around 12-15 million a year in interest…but why do that when you can just stick it the hard-working employees and fans…
INEOS are in no place to make demands. What are you on about. INEOS ; Use the investment to clear the debt Glazers : no. INEOS : oh why not Glazers : We don’t give a f about the debt
@danielberry4765 Of course they were. It's incredibly common to put contractual conditions in investment agreements and share purchase agreements. They put something similar in place for dividends, preventing the Glazers from taking dividends out of the club for a set number of years.
@danielberry4765 How do you think negotiations work? The Glazers didn't want to agree to not take any dividends, but they had to in order to get the Ineos investment. It's completely plausible to think that if Ineos had made their investment contingent upon part of it being used to repay the debt, then the Glazers may have been forced to agree. It's not like there were dozens of billionaires fighting to chuck their money at the Glazers. They were marketing the club for years and only attracted interest from Ineos and a debateably credible bid from Qatar. Ineos had the whip hand.
@@danielberry4765 I was hoping Ineos would’ve went in after looking at the books and said to the glazers that part of the investment goes to clearing the debt cuz we have to get that off the books. We can’t continue like this with such debt.
@@avs200619 The Glazers are not interested in clearing the debt. I don’t know how much clearer they could be on the subject. So your options were 100% Glazers, or INEOS taking ownership from them.
@@avs200619Unfortunately, what Ratcliffe paid for were the Glazer's personal shares, so he has zero right to tell them what they should use the money he gave them for
Ste I hardly post long comments anymore but your take absolutely warrants it. I wholeheartedly agree with your POV. To me, the most outlandish (and concerning) decisions, are actually the football decisions. Why? There's a clear lack of strategic and critical thinking in them. 1. As you rightly put it, why do a 1 month season review and back the current manager, only to sack him 3 months later? What suddenly changed? 2. If you know that you essentially don't have the money to build a new team from ground up, why the hell would you go and implement a new game model / football system? 3. If Ten Hag failed, it was because he was unable to get a result from the players. There are many managers who play 4231 like Ten Hag does. Why not change the coach but keep the system the players were brought in to play? Wouldn't that save more money? 4. Why spend millions to get in a new DOF, only to sack him after some months because of 'differing philosophies'? How the hell do you drop the ball like that? 5. While we're at it, let's look at a current situation where INEOS seem to be making another very strange decision - the club has no recognized LWB, and there is an option to buy back Alvaro Fernandez for 15M. But they are going in for Dorgu who is unproven and could cost more than double that. Where is the 'cost saving' there? Since they took over footballing ops, the hierarchy has made footballing decisions that have cost a LOT more than any money they have saved through their cuts. That's really weird. Having run 2 other football clubs, it also makes me wonder if they even know what they are doing.
1) what changed was they gave ETH another chance and he blew it. To me the most glaring weakness was the game management where for Ugarte was sitting on the bench when we desperately needed an active mid and 2 examples: pulling Rashford against Porto to "manage his minutes" when he was clearly the best player on the pitch that day and starting already overused Maz at the 10 against Galatasaray. so this leads to 4) Ashworth looked like he was the guy and EVERYONE wanted him here, he was the only one who wanted ETH to stay and it blew up in his face. Unfortunately that makes it time to go instead of throwing good money after bad like we've done for the last decade. 5) I would love Alvaro back (he looked great against Barca yesterday until he kinda came undone in the last 10 minutes) but maybe they already tried and he said no?
They can’t put any more money in due to PSR. If they pay off the debt (that isn’t theirs) it gives the Glazers a stronger position to stay which none of us want. The facts are we are skint, and if we want to be successful again we need to go through the bad times to get to the good. This is on the Glazers, not on anyone else!
It's almost like INEOS should have done a full sale or kindly fucked off and let Qatar ownership do a full sale. We needed a full sale if we were ever going to truly change. For me it's 70% blame on the Glazers ATM and 30% on INEOS. Can't believe that some fans can't realise that INEOS have pulled the wool over the fanbase eyes.
@@-_-DatDude there was no Qatar deal, no proof of funds, no legal action brought against the Glazer for stating their was no proof of funds. INEOS wanted a full sale, but the Glazers wouldn’t do it, this was the ONLY option on the table, don’t go rewriting history now.
@-_-DatDude what full sale? Glazers wanted 8b for a club worth about 3b and needing a new stadium. So who was coming in then? And don't say Qatar, because they never even made a bid
I remember getting excited when INEOS announced they were gonna be taking on the football side of things, but over these last couple of months it's been a road to disaster. Especially the ridiculous cost of ticket prices, especially when they've promised to give ten hag time last summer that was smoke and mirrors, if Sir Jim Radcliffe doesn't get his act together he as well as INEOS as a whole will be classed as a Glazers 2.0, the ball is in INEOS'S court at the end of day.
Loan piper and a few team mates is pretty standard tbf, was th same with Sir Bobby and Sir Matt. But they've been shite outside those first couple of months.
I think the scrimping on seemingly small things is INEOS sending a message that the financial situation is serious. I think they know how bad it looks and that that is the point
Should have been Qatar tbh. At least with Qatar we would have seen your average employees benefiting- at the end of the day modern football is about money. We should have gone to where the money is.
@@StephenHowsonyeah fair. Comment above has just schooled me. Would have been a dream- I’m just gutted to hear about the average employee having to suffer INEOS cuts
Ste, this is about ownership. owning sports clubs for billionaires is like owning pokemon cards for kids. i've told people before, owning a ticket doesn't mean shit. buy shares of the stock and then you'll have a voice... look at INEOS's ownership of OGC Nice, seven coaches since they took over and they haven't won shit... United has a huge fan base outside of Manchester, so it's profitable worldwide so SJR doesn't care about you or any of the match-going fans... he cares about money, this is all about money, and as long as local fans fill that stadium, prices will go up, promises will be made and never kept... it's the same shit on this side of the pond with the glazers ownership of the tampa bay bucs... it's never about the what the fans want, it's about the money they can make...
Amorim said he would take the job in June/july 25 when first approached , what was so bad about letting EtH finish the season with the players they bought for him , were they afraid he would win United another Trophy . If EtH had stayed all this mess we’re now seeing wouldn’t imo be happening ,EtH didn’t pick Yoro once injured , and Ugarte was building his fitness up after finishing his season in June , Ineos imo keep making mistakes seems like every week on all aspects in the club . United imo wouldn’t be in the mess they are if EtH had stayed on for this season , with Amorim starting next season . The talk of selling off our young talent for money to Chelsea is crazy , Garnacho for one is still learning the game and although he still isn’t a team player he can be trained when to release the ball for players in better goal scoring positions . United can’t become a selling club of exceptional talent just because of mismanagement from Ineos . Amorim is in now and imo needs to adapt to the premier league opposition each week and try to get a settled team going forward , all this changing of lineups for each match is not helping our results , 16 games in he has to know his strongest team has to , coming out saying what he did after the pathetic performance against Brighton , is unforgivable no manager says that about his team , imo he needs to look at himself also and his tenure so far at Manchester United .
Spot on about the ticket prices, when I'm watching us getting drilled 3-0 at home against Bournemouth i can take it on chin because its 40 odd quid and 1 hour train home. I sit around people who have travelled from abroad to watch United. 66 quid on top of the travel coats. It wouldn't be as bad if we were a half decent side.
The Glazers would have know this was coming and it wouldn’t surprise me if it was part of the reason they looked for investment; 1 for the money and 2 for someone else to make these inevitable cost cutting decisions and take the heat for it. I imagine some of the decisions had to be made & some were terrible decisions. Either way if you’re blaming INEOS we also have to point the finger of blame at the Glazers as well for everything that has come before that has led to this. 🔰🔰🔰
I really just think the financial mismanagement by the Glaziers was deeper than we thought. INEOS were always gonna be the fall guys. I can see a Barca situation where we sell off anything we can to balance the books. I think it’s gonna take at least 5-6 years to get the finances balanced in any sort of way that allow us to be strong in the transfer market again.
Ineos should change their name to gash. The warning signs were there at nice , I mean the guy even does the Americas cup sailing where there are only 2 boats and he can't fkin win that either. Sir Jim wants to knock Liverpool and city off their perch? So how's that going then Jim?
I will say this much. Ineos had the simplest job in the world staying on the fans side, and they've fucked it up in less than 12 months. Don't be the Glazers, look like you know what you're doing, people will be patient with you if you look like you have a plan, even if the plan isn't working from day 1. It has been eroded, not because of how the season started, I think fans still had some patience at the start of the season because at least the performances were improving, at least the signings made sense, at least there were games where you could see Ten Hag's style on the pitch. We just missed a bit of luck and a bit of time to gel the new pieces together. It has been eroded because since the sacking of Ten Hag, any visible sense of any plan from Ineos has gone. The sacking of Dan Ashworth, the penny pinching, hiring a manager with a completely different style when you know you don't have the money to sign players to fit his style. We're £600 million worth of player investment and several years of coaching and academy development down one path and they ask us to turn around and try to drag the whole club down a different path. Can you imagine if the Glazers signed Jose and then told him, "sorry, we don't have money to sign anyone, you have to work with Van Gaal's players", I think he'd have walked out before Christmas. And I'm sorry but, asking the fans to get you out of your bad decisions by raising ticket prices, and selling off top academy players and homegrown talent.... if that is their plan then they clearly don't know what club they bought. Talk about ripping the soul out of a club, we may as well be Chelsea. Looking at the best academy in England like it's a fucking piggybank to break in case we need to buy players for the latest managerial misstep.
INEOS have not had this forced upon them. They had full access to the clubs finances before getting involved. They knew what they were getting into and could have walked away
they have no plans to get rid of the debt, that's the issue. The Glazers brought them on to run football operations, keep the debt growing while they keep taking out dividends. To put it bluntly, Ineos bailed out the Glazers... gave them a life, a pathway to maintain the status quo. But the protests are gone, everyone's happy because Sir Jim is a "local lad"... full sale is the only way we recover from this.
Ineos have done exactly what needed doing for years, loke like it or not that's the reality, if MUFC had carried on like before, they could have been in for a points deduction, and possibly administration.
You are part of the reason why the Club is in this state. You championed Jim Ratfliffe instead of Qatar. Knowing that he will keep the Glazers. "oh Qatar state money will take life out of Manchester united. Seems Jim is doing exactly what you wanted. Don't come here and complain about Sir Jim. It's embarrassing and makes you look delusional. Stick to your guns and be a man. You asked for this Ste and your Mancunian friends in Manchester. Not realizing that Football changed long time ago. And commercial has entered the realm of football. Guess you are a better United fan because you didn't want Qatar. 😂
Tbh, im ok with all of the things they;re trying to change. Even the price increases. Financially, we’re making an annual loss consistently at this point, so belts gotta to be tightened. It is what it is. I just hope they’re prepared to dig in and trust the manager to sort the squad out. He needs to be backed.
Taking 60 pound per employee off Xmas bonus per year vs paying crap players. Come on that ridiculous you can decrease 1 players wage by 10k per week. We have several 200k plus per week players on the bench or out the squad.
Fantastic take on the shitshow Stephen, I have supported United for 55 years I used to go home and away, I attended every game home and away the year we went down, the togetherness from the fans was intense. I loved the club and the football even then was better than we are turning out now, since the Glazers took over I have seen a marked decline in everything around the club and its disgusting, I still watch the team but I never go anymore and even though I want us to win it is not enjoyable for me to the point that emotionally I have switched off it is too depressing, I dont see anything positive around the club and while Ineos are doing the Glazers dirty work I see nothing but pain for our once great club.
Agree with a lot of what you say, but you're problem with anyone wanting Qatar to buy the club is strange. There's a group who wanted to buy the club, invest in the squad, invest in the ground and facilities, remove the debt, and.invest into the area. Ratcliffe has not done any of these. Also, it's laughable that you say that Ineos has been better than the Glazers at communication. They are both completely devoid of any communication skills. Sad that people who care about our club are fooled by Ratcliffe and his mates, and you keep spouting out the rubbish about fans who wanted Qatar in. It's laughable and worrying that we have people in our fan base who think this way. And btw, I've been a season ticket holder since 1970, so I've seen everything, but this mob are the worst I've ever seen.
I’m going to give INEOS the benefit of doubt for now. Glazers have ran the club into the ground and I don’t think people realise how bad things are behind the scenes. INEOS have to make very difficult decisions due to the mess from the Glazers. We have been the worst run football club for at least 10 years and United are now paying for it
It’s about the long game, we want it all NOW, ain’t gonna happen. United are a changing club and we must accept it. Clubs evolve, clubs devolve. Patience.
They say you cant get blood out of a stone . But INEOS are doing there best with United . Just so the Glaziers are able to get more dividends . It makes you sick . And we wonder why the players are greedy . This is what they see from the owners .And when the players see that the owners do not really care about the club .Should we really be surprised by the players attitude This bad attitude in the club has cost us dearly . We have lost Paul Pogba , Mason Greenwood , Jadon Sancho , Anthony Martial and now it looks like we will lose Marcus Rashford and Garnacho . Partly because of this cancer in our club Just imagine if we still had these players and they were giving there heart and soul to the club we would not be in the mess we are in . Also when good players see the attitude of the club why would they want to come here and get poisoner by it I fear for Amorim it looks like he will need nerves of steel to succeed . The saddest thing of all is if Amorim succeeds the biggest winners will be the Glaziers .As fans we just cant win . Keep up the good work Steve at least you are a bright light
I here the talk about ten hag costing 13m to sack after the extension and that being madness but how much would it of cost to sack him at the back in the summer
The problem with INEOS is, they don't own the club, the Glazers are very much still here and the fact that it has unravelled this fast is pure Glazenomics
Blaming the fans for ownership greed and mishandling of funds is stupid. The club isn't a mess because of season ticket holders or those who fly in to see their childhood club.
I'm a united fan, who happens to live outside of the UK! I can't get a season ticket. How am i supposed to watch United at old trafford if i can't buy a ticket? My money and support is helping united. We fans around the world are one of the reasons, why united make the most money out of the EPl clubs. We have all contributed to united's success. You as a local fan can't want united's success and at the same time hate the international fans. You can't have it both ways!
@StephenHowson it was wrong. Imagine Jassim buying the club. Clearing the debt. Do you think that all of these cost-cutting measures would be happening? I don't think so. Imagine the Glazers gone, like really gone. Ineos is just a bandage.
I gave up my season ticket in protest of the Glazers taking over. I'm also a founder member of FCUM and went regularly in those early years but we had kids. I refused to go to OT or buy merch but as the kids got older we do go 3 or 4 times a year and the kids do have shirts. I feel bad giving the Glazers (and now INEOS) money but i wont let my kids suffer. I have brainwashed them into hating the Glazers too at least
Fair play mate and good on you for taking a stand during the original takeover. It was (and still is to some extent) a no win situation for United fans. Either feel guilt for ending your engagement with the club you love that is in your blood, or feel guilt financing the parasitic owners of the club you love as they turn it into something you barely recognise.
I completely agree They have their work cut out to get us back on the financial straight and narrow Cuts are absolutely needed but surely there’s somebody in the INEOS organisation that can look from outside and say “wait a minute, the optics on this is REALLY FUCKIN SHIT” Or is Jim happy to be the bad guy if he thinks the long term gains are worth it
INEOS actions are required because of the Glazers management. Getting angry and upset with INEOS just shows a lack of knowledge and maturity, abundantly displayed in this comment section.
Wake up and smell the coffee. INEOS have no idea what they’ve bought. It’s a house falling down, they cannot afford to rebuild. Sacking staff, increasing ticket prices, cutting charities are all blinding symptoms of poverty within the financial structure. Don’t even mention the garnacho crisis (easily worth 100M) If you back INEOS then just come out and say it. But don’t say their actions are required, just goes to show how willing you are to bend over and take it in the ass.
Glazers only still here because of INEOS though they were gonna lose the bid so they offered to cut them in and buy their portion at wayyyyyy over value
@@sloppygoo Where are you morons getting this stuff. INEOS is responsible for the Glazers staying. HOW !. The Glazers owned United. You’re acting like they were being forced out by some mystery force. Idiots.
I do think if we werre playing better qnd winning games a lot of people would be half as arsed about this. Its just the combination. But yeah the club seems to be in a worse off financial position than people think.
We can talk talk talk talk until the cows come home but at the end of the day if Ineos can’t provide Amorim with plays that suit his system then nothing is going to change. ETH had a good first season despite all the hassle he had with Ronaldo, his second season was blighted by injuries, Sancho and the sale of the club, you can say what you like about ETH but to win two cups in two seasons with the crap he had to put up with was great. I wonder had ETH done what Amorim is doing and stuck to his guns and told the Glazers “ I am not for changing my system get me the players I need to implement it” I wonder what would have happened? Anyway ETH has gone now, we have a new Manager Amorim so let’s support him leafs see what Ratcliffe and Ineos are really made of, Amorim has put it up to them and told them he is not for changing, let’s see how much they back him will he stand the test or will he be another one for the chop.
From the council / central government and if that fails, loans, it looks like. That seems to be their exit plan: cut as many costs as possible, get taxpayers to pay for an expensive stadium, profit.
It is an example of "This club don't belong to you. It belongs to the owners. We can do what we want and we want money. You'll ever put up with it. Or shut up about it. What are you gonna do? Watch Salford!"
Why did you think that Ratcliffe/Ineos would be your saviours ? Their football interests in Europe haven't exactly been a success. The cycling team won most of their major tours as Sky. In fact Ineos have just had their worst ever season on the road. They spunked £millions on a failed America's Cup yachting attempt. Ratcliffe's excursions into sports hasn't been the glorious success people seem to think.
Not only was the piper not mic’d 🎤 up, on MUTV they said the piper was a tribute to Dennis Irwin! 😂🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ United can’t get anything right at the moment.
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Why can’t ineos cover certain things like travel logistics etc
Why can’t ineos build the stadium and ‘sell’ it to Utd like Madrid did with the government and their training ground?
fum isn't safe.
Did anyone consider that it's a strategic move by INEOS to remove many of the liabilities that bloat the club's valuation, in order to acquire the whole club for less?
E.g. it doesn't benefit them to repair the stadium, as that would increase the value of the physical assets. It's the same with players: selling Garnacho for 50m & signing Dorgu for 40m lowers the club's value by 10m, making for a cheaper takeover bid.
Looked into fum. Why are u promoting this garbage, especially with kids watching? The DR on the site looks like a bum of the street they paid and threw in a DR outfit.
Disappointed howson BIG time, yeah you make affiliate money but here your complaining about ticket prices. This just highlights everything's about money. you're just doing what ineos are doing, sacrificing new addictions for your profit. Bloody sad and especially with kids viewers that you have.
Stephen, as a neutral (Spurs fan), I appreciate your love for your club but I feel like you're seeing the football world with rose tinted glasses. Imagining the days of where everyone knows everyone elses name, the chairman comes to the local pub to talk about the mrs and you know stories of players mums and dads from the "old days". Football is completely and utterly a business now. It isn't about the football. We are not fans to the clubs, we are customers, simply, sadly and purely customers.
Pin this comment bc it’s spot on. You can be a romantic about this topic or you can be a realist. Unfortunately it will never be the same as it was for any of us. Football has changed and it will not go back.
True! The only way to truely support is to be with a club such as Stratford Paddock. Less business, more football.
Bingo
Perfectly said
It’s all glazers and now they do t take blame that’s where everyone is wrong THIS IS ALL GLAZERS doing what they always do without blame
An impartial take
Ignore the trolls x
Much love
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We are not trolling, we are passionate. We want our club back. Sick of being milked like a cow, fan not customer
You are a man u fan so it's not an impartial take lol
The glazers are still the owners and we are still being run like the glazers are the owners. I’m so sick of this Ineos stuff.
The glazers weren't as bad as Ratcliffe
It’s NOT INEOS ITS ALL GLAZERS and they don’t get blame anymore JIM IS THE FALL GUY WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED
And this is why I wanted Qatar debt gone
By the way, Steve, you might it amusing (in a horrible way) to read an interview with Ratcliffe in the Times dated 23 November 2019 headed "Sir Jim Ratcliffe: Buy a Premier League club for billions? I’ll never be the dumb money"
As it is a paywall usually, I'll set out a few sentences for anybody who cannot access the article:
"Sir Jim Ratcliffe has the riches to buy any British club including Manchester United, the team he supported as a boy, and he has cast his eye over quite a few in the top divisions. “You might be surprised how many are happy to have a conversation,” he says.
Britain’s richest man toured Chelsea with a view to a potential purchase; examined Newcastle United’s potential stadium growth (not great); and cast an eye over Leeds United, among many other English clubs......Ineos [his multinational chemicals company] never wants to be the dumb money in town, never, never,” he says over coffee, happily setting aside his usual mistrust of the media for as long as the conversation is around sporting passions rather than, say, the rights and wrongs of fracking.......
.....Dumb money? He feared he might become exactly that if he dived into buy, say, Chelsea, where he had a tour of the Cobham training ground before preliminary discussions revealed a huge differential between what Roman Abramovich would want - believed to be north of £3 billion - and what Ratcliffe was prepared to pay.
How about United, assuming the Glazers were willing to sell? “Not at the moment, no,” he says. “They are in quite a big pickle as a business. They haven’t got the manager selection right, haven’t bought well. They have been the dumb money, which you see with players like Fred.”
Ratcliffe goes on to explain how the sums quickly become prohibitively expensive, even for him, when the big six in England are now valued at £2 billion and above. At Chelsea, it is not just the price but potentially four years of stadium reconstruction.“So you quickly get into some pretty stratospheric numbers,” he says. “And even though clubs have those valuations today, nobody has ever paid those amounts of money. How much did Abramovich pay for Chelsea, £100 million? The Glazers [at United], what £500 million? You can say it’s worth three, four billion but no one has ever paid those sums.
“Ineos has always tried to take a sensible approach. We don’t like squandering money or we wouldn’t be where we are today. It’s part of our DNA, trying to spend sensibly.”......
.....He volunteers that raising the profile of the Ineos brand is part of the mission, especially now that the company has moved into the consumer market with the purchase of the Belstaff clothing company and especially the £1 billion sunk into the Grenadier project to develop a new version of Land Rover’s Defender.
“Everyone used to call Ineos the largest company you had never heard of,” he says. “But that is changing. It also has some subliminal benefits of Ineos being better known. We are looking at some larger deals in the Middle East and China, people are a bit more familiar with the name.”
There were also a sensible group of fans who always knew a full sale was the only way... bailing the Glazers out by purchasing a minority stake with no plans of clearing the debt was always going to fail. Ineos are failing, simple as.
And what was the full sale option? Who was putting up the money the Glazers wanted?
@@ste4392 I don't work for the Raine Group, so you'd have to ask them who all the bidders were. There were a handful of "public bids" and we know there was at least one other full bid from the nine two foundation. We also know Ineos' first bid was a full bid, not for the 25% he ended up with. Winning the bid was all that mattered to them, not what was best for the club, and if you can't see that... I'm sorry. A desperate owner will lower their asking price if no one bails them out... imagine if an American financial firm did the Ineos deal... imagine the outrage. SMDH
@@ste4392Qatar did, Fabrizio even reported like the deal was about to be done before INEOS last minute offered to buy 25% for what 60% is worth allowing the glazers to stay on and profit from a second full sale later on when the club is worth even more. Expecting Qatar to then double their original bid that was seen as generous and already 30% more than the club was valued in order to match INEOS delusional 25% valuation for the entire 100% is just having his pants pulled down in front of the world business wise so he backed off.
It’s 100% sir Jim’s fault if he could just lose like a real man we’d have a new stadium being built, better players and no debt right now
@@ste4392if you have a twix you wanna sell for £5 and I offer you £5 and £3 for future snacks then some kid who offered £4 comes and offers you £3 for 25% of the twix and the potential of a second twix bar to sell later. A business man takes that second bid.
I respect you standing up for the staff
I know Stephen hates it when people say the club would have been better with Qatar, but it’s true. Ineos don’t care about the club, they are glazer facilitators. It’s obvious to see
Why would it be better with Qatar ?.
(Bear in mind Qatar couldn’t afford the club)
Nob
@@silkysilv101 so true but they just cant see it cause there real fans match going fans what about ones that travel over all the fucking time spend 100s 100s coming over to be treated like shit on match days they just getting there eyes opened to what is suppose to the theatre of dreams not cons
Please explain why it would be better and take into account they couldn't prove they had the money and didn't offer the amount that was asked for
@@ste4392 let not talk rubbish the funds were there it was just the spin journalist put on it so Jim ratboy betrayal iam a Utd fan that wanted to buy Chelsea and Qatari Pif funds are biggest in world
Pretty sure you and the rest of the lads were championing keeping Ten Hag in the summer, so the mistake INEOS made was listening to fans like yourself
99% of fans are idiots. It's a far bigger concern if INEOS are basing decisions on what fans say.
@ this is true, just look at the comments, and I’d say that and the Ashworth hiring/sacking are the 2 things you can put at INEOS’s door.
@@cxa12 they didn't though did they? They did a very public analysis
Ineos don't have the money or football nous.
Flailling around making poor decisions.
@@MichaelEnright-gk6yc they’ve certainly got the money. But you would have gone in and made zero mistakes wouldn’t you?
As a man of the military I would’ve expected you to know the role of the lone piper
He plays the signal the call the end of the battle, he also pipes the departed to the gates then stops for he may not pass. The Queen,Sir Matt and many others have had a lone piper, it’s the ultimate tribute
I gave my season ticket up i 2013, the last game i went to was our last time of parading the PL trophy, i vowed i wouldnt set foot in OT until glazers were gone, - this stood true ,and this season has been my return to OT i have been to about 8 games this year, and plan on trying to get a season ticket, but with what has happened post Oct with the cuts im holding fire on this....
Same fergies last season was our last year too. Season ticket cost was reasonable back then too.
Glazers are still here though
@@sloppygoo they will probably never go completely. Not unless somebody buys the entire club outright
@@sloppygoo yes and going, as the contract states they are going, their time is limited , given the standard 2-3yr wait list for ST they will be gone before i get it
11:48 Allowed him to build the greatest garden since ruddy Babylon took me out Ste 😂😂😂😂
I’ll say it again like I said it during the sale. The only way out was a full sale, any option to keep the glazers would result in failure BECAUSE IT WAS ALWAYS THE GLAZERS FAULT. You cannot nickel and dime your way out of a billion dollars of debt and if you think Ineos can do it then I’ll be here in another year’s time to say this AGAIN!
The problem is that the Glazers never had to sell. They want to squeeze every last drop from he club.
People make it out as if a sale was guaranteed and it was a matter of who would buy, Ratcliff or Qatar.
I think they would just have waited if no offers met their price.
@ I understand with your sentiment but the reason I disagree is because the club is so unsustainable to the point where we’re in 13th, old trafford is rotting and we’re firing staff and cutting bonuses. There is no way to cost save this club to the top of football when we’re already down a billion. Either they’ll keep the club and keep losing value or they’ll crack under pressure eventually. I thought SJR was going to save them but it appears that he doesn’t have the funds either
Cheap billionaire owners. Zero investment, poor management.Yeah we set up to win the league sure
@@primoUTD I'm not sure what you mean by "save them".
If you mean save the team with investment, PSR doesn't allow for huge cash injections to happen.
If you mean paying of the debt, I would honestly be impressed with the Glazers if they managed to get a minority shareholder to pay off the debt for them without giving him more shares. Which they won't do, because that would be acting in the interest of the club instead of their bank account.
Villa fan here, we are going through the exact same thing. Active reduction in season tickets, all digital tickets, reducing concessions, price increases, worse facilities, charging for disabled parking, treating former players like shit. This is the ugly side of the premier league machine.
Hard-core fans being priced out.Not interested in young and old fans anymore....
Ineos are muppets for the Glazers
Couldnt agree more Ste.
Inoes should have been savvy enough to understand that they would be under intense scrutiny given the wealth of ill feeling towards the Glazers.
And they have made some decent decisions in their tenue so far, such as immediately targeting footballing people for the new structure.
But my god have they dropped the ball in terms of their relationship and reputation with the fans.
Are the ticket price increases, the cutting of staff and the removal of staff perks _really_ going to make a considerable difference to the club's finances in terms of PSR?
Of course not!
In terms of the club's overall finances, whatever Ineos have saved so far is pocket change in comparison.
Ny biggest concern, as a hardcore supporter since 1986, is that in all of these years the experience for us fans has gotten worse, the football has gotten worse and it now feels like the club literally dont give a flying fuck about us at all.
We are just digits on a spreadsheet to them.
And then we look at the very public gaffs they have made in auch a short space of time (as you mentioned, Ten Hag, Ashworth etc) and it bodes ill.
Ill admit i was pro Qatar at the time.
BUT..........
All i wanted from them was to come in, clear the debt, provide funds for a new stadium and then leave us well alone and let us live off the profits we make as a club.
As we used to do!
per muppitiers club saved around 45million/yr with those redundancies.... now i want you to tell me how would you save those 45 million your way.
Ineos made good decisions when,? They sacked Ashworth after 5 months he was on gardening leave longer 😂😂😂 Ineos the worst thing to happen since the glazers.
The fans were so excited when Jim Ratcliffe took over. Almost like he was the hero who would restore Man Utd's glory days. When i found out a deal was imminent i did some research on him. I watched the Ineos UA-cam channel, and it became apparent that he was not going to be a popular part owner. He came across as a bully who preys on the weak and a person who is surrounded by sycophants who are absolutely terrified by him. He's the archetype bully nightmare manager. I remember that email he sent when he first took over that was strategically leaked, about the offices and stadium a mess and how the staff need to keep the place tidy. Of course he can say what he likes to his staff, but to me it seemed like he was trying to belittle the staff behind the scenes and using them to send a message. Ive experienced similar things with new managers trying to set the tone when they first take over. Starting with the small guys is a cowardice move to me. Also, reports that Ashworth was let go because Ratcliffe didn't think he was an 'Alpha male' says it all really.
You a prat mate he bought a small amount of shares I was not excited and done know anyone who was, he was just helping the glazers stay and borrowing a load of money day to do it.
Howson definitely on weight loss jabs lol looking good bro
Very good summarisation!!
Even if we think what Ineos is doing is legitimate (which no one does anyway). The fact that they haven’t come out and said anything why they’re making these changes is nothing short of couldn’t care less of what people think attitude
Ratcliffe literally did an interview with Andy Mitten explaining why their making these decisions
@@redroobarb4562 must’ve missed this one. They’ve since sent out a letter. Really insulting. Penny pinching with peoples jobs. There are other ways to make money back into the club n selling our best Academy players isnt it
We all got carried away when Jim came in but he empowered the Glazer's and kept them in power. INEOS are a business if Jim was such a huge fan he could of brought them 100% as Jim Radcliffe.
I have stopped eating Nissin noodles I hope this forces positive change.
Ineos , are just more glazers, borrowed to buy the club don’t want to invest capital and stoped a full sale.
Radcliffe is the second worst thing to happen since the glazers.
The digital ticket is so wrong. If you haven't got a smart phone you cannot go the games anymore
I recall getting shouted down on the Stretford Paddock comments when I said that this is exactly what INEOS would do. The warning signs were there as they’ve done the same thing with every sports team they’ve been involved in. SJR is merely the British Glazers and United fans were too blind to see what was right in front of them
Paddock boys have delusionally backed every decision by the club from coaches the ownership to transfers- I’ve been watching for 10+ years now and have learnt not to take their analysis seriously they’re wrong 99%
Extremely poor so far!
@@alexschofield944 lol ste deleting my comments now because I brought receipts to backup your comment and other cases of them delusionally backing every wrong decision the clubs made in 10 years of watching FTD/Paddock Shame that comment took ages to write lol. Classic British just censoring speech
I've lived down south most of my life and used to go to many home and away games yet its not just ticket prices its train travel that's gone through the roof too. Strangely hotels which I never used to bother with are cheaper and better
This ownership is not serious
Another clueless keyboard warrior
@ tell me how I’m clueless ? And tell me how this ownership is serious? You no who the glazers are don’t you ?
@@richyclubsport5155calling someone a keyboard warrior without providing a counter argument makes you both a keyboard warrior but also very low iq
The bottom line to all those folks saying ineos have the money or that qatar didn’t is that neither got hold of the club and all the debt is still there, the stadium is still falling apart from lack of being taken care of and the glazers are still here… Ineos or Qatar neither have saved us and we cannot be saved until the glazers go and the debt they bought the club on and accrued while owning us is wiped away… I also don’t care about sportswashing or greenwashing because in reality the type of money it will take to buy our club and fix it will have a negative connotation that cones along with it because no one gets that rich being a saint…
No one forced Ineos to buy the club. There was the option to fully sell and clear the debt. They kept glazers here
I may be wrong, but I'm sure you were on a podcast the other day saying fans need to accept the cuts. That United can't afford to keep the commitments that were already in place.
Man United is the richest club in the world. Why should the fans accept cuts? You need a new stadium, new players, and a new culture. The Glazers should pay up.
Wouldn’t be cutting if Qatar won the bid and INEOS didn’t undercut them by buying 20% share to the value of 50%. Qatars official final proposal involved 1bil pledged for stadium and another 1B for debt and another 1B for players on top of 6B for the club
@@yellyman5483yep INEOS bought their 20% valuing the club at 9B when it’s worth 6. Qatar wanted to pay 6 but their bid was worth 9 with the additional 3B being pledged to fixing the club. Jim gobblers like Ste never acknowledge the real facts of the takeover
@ The Glazers are billionaires. They own the majority of the club. Let them pay for a new stadium.
@@yellyman5483 we both know that will never happen. Qatar was going to build the stadium clear the debt and fix the squad. Sir Jim wants to do the same without investing a cent of his own money into it just using the clubs revenue that is needed for the squad atm
INEOS have done wonderful 'job' thus far
I think things will still be fine and its only up from here.
1) I don't think INEOS is trying to make money with these moves I think they are just trying to stop the bleeding
2) EVERYONE thought Ashworth was the guy - when it seemed like he wasn't then it took some balls to part ways quick instead of just hoping it works out
3) I do think Amorim is the right guy and now, 20/20 hindsight we really should've hired him last June or let him stay at Sporting until next June while RVN tried his best with a 4-3-3 but it still made sense at the time for him to get in right away. Remember he was super successful at Braga and Sporting IMMEDIATELY
4) 99% of our problems, especially squad build and financials, are pre INEOS. Yes, I hoped they could just flip a switch and fix it quick but that is clearly not going to happen. This season might be gone (Europa or FA Cup maybe?) but let them clear out the high salaries and mistakes first - they can't do it overnight!
“stop the bleeding” but gave bruno an extra 175k a week
Ratcliffe sat on the knee of the Glazers with no emphasis on purchasing more shares to remove the Glazers is not going to do a good job at this club. Ineos own 100% of Nice FC and wrecked the club.
So why are you expecting good things?
@ yeah I know about Nice and Lusanne but I think they have a good staff and good coach in place and if we give it time I think we will be ok
It would be good to see attendance drop significantly just to show that you can't just whack up the prices whenever. But of course we know that won't happen (for now anyway).
I've been saying since UTD announced the staff layoffs. Why don't they just the naming rights to our current stadium Old Trafford?!
That would bring in around £100m per season. It's a world famous stadium.
Trust me it’s sucks rn but we need to realize what’s actually going on here. Sir Jim and INEOS are smarter than we think. He went into the this saying to the Glazers, “everyone hates you, WE will be the face of hate for a while, we will make the cuts and hard choices to become self sustainable again.” We were on the road to becoming Barcelona. Injecting money into the club will only clear the debt. And sir Jim only owns 28 percent. He already paid 2 billion or whatever it was to buy 28 percent and then injected another 250 million after that. His plan is to buy the glazers fully out, but he has to be patient until the glazers are ready to do that because they see us as a money asset and want as much as possible before walking away. Once sir Jim owns the whole club, he will clear the debt and we will be self sustainable again because of what he’s doing on the financial side NOW hence he said we want to be competing for UCL and PL by 2028. The fact is we almost became Barcelona and he doesn’t want to pull all the “selling tv revenue for the next 30 years” levers because now Barcelona are screwed for basically ever. He wants to fix the financial side and make us self sustainable and build a new stadium with his own money, (probably will be named old trafford present by INEOS to get more money in) but the FACT IS we were so financially destroyed that just injecting money wouldn’t fix our sustainability problems and he’s not going to just inject his money when until he owns the whole of the club. None of us would either. The fact is the glazers are still the problem and holding back sir Jim from actually fully taking over and putting his money in. I love mark but we are stuck with INEOS forever so might as well try and understand what he’s doing. Yeah we will be restricted on transfers for a while until we can get the finances sorted just shows how screwed we were to begin with. But I think we are on the right track.
I genuinely think the ticket price and the cuts has impacted the play in the pitch. How as a fan in the ground are you meant to feel genuinely connected and support those boys and the club when they’re fleecing you for every penny you have, and if u have the cheek to miss a game cuz family commitments or work god forbid😭it just creates a negative environment amongst everybody and that translate in every part of the club. The training ground and pitch too.
As soon as they labelled a lot of us 'legacy fans' I knew where this was headed.
if they want to raise ticket prices because this is Manchester United than the performances on the pitch better resemble Manchester United. I saw Sir Jim's quote of coming to see united shouldn't cost as much as Fulham. He's right because based on performance, united tickets should be cheaper
INEOS don't have a great record in any sports teams they've invested in, it's a myth they're experts. Cycling, since 2019 they've turned serial winners Team Sky into also rans. F1 they invested into world champions Mercedes in 2020, now they're also rans. Sailing no glory there. In football, Nice have done nothing special.
Alot of the assumed sports pedigree comes I think from Dave Brailsford association. He was brilliant 10-15 years ago, 'marginal gains' etc but the world and sports science, data analysis has moved way beyond.
The only football people they've bought into Utd is Wilcox and the transfer guy. One green shoot: I think the summer transfer window 2024 was not too bad, in terms of fees paid and wages given.
If the FFP is calculated over 5 years then Utd still have 4 years of mismanagement to deal with.😢
Instead of demanding the glazers use a portion of Ineos investment to reduce the debt, they felt cutting £10 on Christmas gift cards is the right way to go…
if the glazers had put in just a couple hundred million from the sale to Ineos, it would’ve freed up around 12-15 million a year in interest…but why do that when you can just stick it the hard-working employees and fans…
Well said. Eat the rich.
INEOS are in no place to make demands. What are you on about.
INEOS ; Use the investment to clear the debt
Glazers : no.
INEOS : oh why not
Glazers : We don’t give a f about the debt
@danielberry4765 Of course they were. It's incredibly common to put contractual conditions in investment agreements and share purchase agreements. They put something similar in place for dividends, preventing the Glazers from taking dividends out of the club for a set number of years.
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Its not common when one side doesn't want to.
Has the fact they've done nothing to repay it for 20 years not enough of a clue for you.
@danielberry4765 How do you think negotiations work? The Glazers didn't want to agree to not take any dividends, but they had to in order to get the Ineos investment. It's completely plausible to think that if Ineos had made their investment contingent upon part of it being used to repay the debt, then the Glazers may have been forced to agree. It's not like there were dozens of billionaires fighting to chuck their money at the Glazers. They were marketing the club for years and only attracted interest from Ineos and a debateably credible bid from Qatar. Ineos had the whip hand.
Where did the 2B investment by Ineos go to? Couldn’t that have gone to the debt and get rid of that noose around the clubs neck? That has to go
To the glazers mostly.
To clear off the debt would require the glazers to care about the debt
@@danielberry4765 I was hoping Ineos would’ve went in after looking at the books and said to the glazers that part of the investment goes to clearing the debt cuz we have to get that off the books. We can’t continue like this with such debt.
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The Glazers are not interested in clearing the debt.
I don’t know how much clearer they could be on the subject.
So your options were 100% Glazers, or INEOS taking ownership from them.
@@avs200619Unfortunately, what Ratcliffe paid for were the Glazer's personal shares, so he has zero right to tell them what they should use the money he gave them for
Ste I hardly post long comments anymore but your take absolutely warrants it.
I wholeheartedly agree with your POV. To me, the most outlandish (and concerning) decisions, are actually the football decisions.
Why? There's a clear lack of strategic and critical thinking in them.
1. As you rightly put it, why do a 1 month season review and back the current manager, only to sack him 3 months later? What suddenly changed?
2. If you know that you essentially don't have the money to build a new team from ground up, why the hell would you go and implement a new game model / football system?
3. If Ten Hag failed, it was because he was unable to get a result from the players. There are many managers who play 4231 like Ten Hag does. Why not change the coach but keep the system the players were brought in to play? Wouldn't that save more money?
4. Why spend millions to get in a new DOF, only to sack him after some months because of 'differing philosophies'? How the hell do you drop the ball like that?
5. While we're at it, let's look at a current situation where INEOS seem to be making another very strange decision - the club has no recognized LWB, and there is an option to buy back Alvaro Fernandez for 15M. But they are going in for Dorgu who is unproven and could cost more than double that. Where is the 'cost saving' there?
Since they took over footballing ops, the hierarchy has made footballing decisions that have cost a LOT more than any money they have saved through their cuts. That's really weird. Having run 2 other football clubs, it also makes me wonder if they even know what they are doing.
1) what changed was they gave ETH another chance and he blew it. To me the most glaring weakness was the game management where for Ugarte was sitting on the bench when we desperately needed an active mid and 2 examples: pulling Rashford against Porto to "manage his minutes" when he was clearly the best player on the pitch that day and starting already overused Maz at the 10 against Galatasaray. so this leads to
4) Ashworth looked like he was the guy and EVERYONE wanted him here, he was the only one who wanted ETH to stay and it blew up in his face. Unfortunately that makes it time to go instead of throwing good money after bad like we've done for the last decade.
5) I would love Alvaro back (he looked great against Barca yesterday until he kinda came undone in the last 10 minutes) but maybe they already tried and he said no?
They can’t put any more money in due to PSR. If they pay off the debt (that isn’t theirs) it gives the Glazers a stronger position to stay which none of us want. The facts are we are skint, and if we want to be successful again we need to go through the bad times to get to the good. This is on the Glazers, not on anyone else!
Jim doing a deal to get his feet under the table when the club desperately needs a full sale makes them both as bad as each other .
It's almost like INEOS should have done a full sale or kindly fucked off and let Qatar ownership do a full sale. We needed a full sale if we were ever going to truly change.
For me it's 70% blame on the Glazers ATM and 30% on INEOS. Can't believe that some fans can't realise that INEOS have pulled the wool over the fanbase eyes.
@@garethdeere4822 such an uneducated take
@@-_-DatDude there was no Qatar deal, no proof of funds, no legal action brought against the Glazer for stating their was no proof of funds. INEOS wanted a full sale, but the Glazers wouldn’t do it, this was the ONLY option on the table, don’t go rewriting history now.
@-_-DatDude what full sale? Glazers wanted 8b for a club worth about 3b and needing a new stadium. So who was coming in then? And don't say Qatar, because they never even made a bid
I remember getting excited when INEOS announced they were gonna be taking on the football side of things, but over these last couple of months it's been a road to disaster.
Especially the ridiculous cost of ticket prices, especially when they've promised to give ten hag time last summer that was smoke and mirrors, if Sir Jim Radcliffe doesn't get his act together he as well as INEOS as a whole will be classed as a Glazers 2.0, the ball is in INEOS'S court at the end of day.
Loan piper and a few team mates is pretty standard tbf, was th same with Sir Bobby and Sir Matt. But they've been shite outside those first couple of months.
I think the scrimping on seemingly small things is INEOS sending a message that the financial situation is serious. I think they know how bad it looks and that that is the point
8:15 The Alternative is to NOT go if Tickets are at 2X rates and the Team plays shit. Silly folks.
It’s easy to say when the closest youve been to Old Trafford is via a sky sub.
Should have been Qatar tbh. At least with Qatar we would have seen your average employees benefiting- at the end of the day modern football is about money. We should have gone to where the money is.
Didn’t provide proof of funds mate and I wanted Qatar
We didn’t have a choice.
@@Patrick-li7ylDamn I didn’t know that. Would have been a dream
@@StephenHowsonyeah fair. Comment above has just schooled me. Would have been a dream- I’m just gutted to hear about the average employee having to suffer INEOS cuts
The Qatar who couldn't prove funds, another clueless keyboard warrior
Ste, this is about ownership. owning sports clubs for billionaires is like owning pokemon cards for kids. i've told people before, owning a ticket doesn't mean shit. buy shares of the stock and then you'll have a voice...
look at INEOS's ownership of OGC Nice, seven coaches since they took over and they haven't won shit... United has a huge fan base outside of Manchester, so it's profitable worldwide so SJR doesn't care about you or any of the match-going fans... he cares about money, this is all about money, and as long as local fans fill that stadium, prices will go up, promises will be made and never kept...
it's the same shit on this side of the pond with the glazers ownership of the tampa bay bucs...
it's never about the what the fans want, it's about the money they can make...
haven't the Bucs won multiple super bowls under the Glazers? Yeah I want them out of United too but cmon now lets be real/.
Amorim said he would take the job in June/july 25 when first approached , what was so bad about letting EtH finish the season with the players they bought for him , were they afraid he would win United another Trophy . If EtH had stayed all this mess we’re now seeing wouldn’t imo be happening ,EtH didn’t pick Yoro once injured , and Ugarte was building his fitness up after finishing his season in June , Ineos imo keep making mistakes seems like every week on all aspects in the club . United imo wouldn’t be in the mess they are if EtH had stayed on for this season , with Amorim starting next season . The talk of selling off our young talent for money to Chelsea is crazy , Garnacho for one is still learning the game and although he still isn’t a team player he can be trained when to release the ball for players in better goal scoring positions . United can’t become a selling club of exceptional talent just because of mismanagement from Ineos . Amorim is in now and imo needs to adapt to the premier league opposition each week and try to get a settled team going forward , all this changing of lineups for each match is not helping our results , 16 games in he has to know his strongest team has to , coming out saying what he did after the pathetic performance against Brighton , is unforgivable no manager says that about his team , imo he needs to look at himself also and his tenure so far at Manchester United .
Spot on about the ticket prices, when I'm watching us getting drilled 3-0 at home against Bournemouth i can take it on chin because its 40 odd quid and 1 hour train home. I sit around people who have travelled from abroad to watch United. 66 quid on top of the travel coats. It wouldn't be as bad if we were a half decent side.
The Glazers would have know this was coming and it wouldn’t surprise me if it was part of the reason they looked for investment; 1 for the money and 2 for someone else to make these inevitable cost cutting decisions and take the heat for it. I imagine some of the decisions had to be made & some were terrible decisions. Either way if you’re blaming INEOS we also have to point the finger of blame at the Glazers as well for everything that has come before that has led to this. 🔰🔰🔰
I really just think the financial mismanagement by the Glaziers was deeper than we thought. INEOS were always gonna be the fall guys. I can see a Barca situation where we sell off anything we can to balance the books. I think it’s gonna take at least 5-6 years to get the finances balanced in any sort of way that allow us to be strong in the transfer market again.
That away shirt is amazing… hook a brother up Ste I’ll have it 🙌🏽
Ineos should change their name to gash.
The warning signs were there at nice , I mean the guy even does the Americas cup sailing where there are only 2 boats and he can't fkin win that either. Sir Jim wants to knock Liverpool and city off their perch? So how's that going then Jim?
I will say this much. Ineos had the simplest job in the world staying on the fans side, and they've fucked it up in less than 12 months. Don't be the Glazers, look like you know what you're doing, people will be patient with you if you look like you have a plan, even if the plan isn't working from day 1.
It has been eroded, not because of how the season started, I think fans still had some patience at the start of the season because at least the performances were improving, at least the signings made sense, at least there were games where you could see Ten Hag's style on the pitch. We just missed a bit of luck and a bit of time to gel the new pieces together.
It has been eroded because since the sacking of Ten Hag, any visible sense of any plan from Ineos has gone. The sacking of Dan Ashworth, the penny pinching, hiring a manager with a completely different style when you know you don't have the money to sign players to fit his style. We're £600 million worth of player investment and several years of coaching and academy development down one path and they ask us to turn around and try to drag the whole club down a different path.
Can you imagine if the Glazers signed Jose and then told him, "sorry, we don't have money to sign anyone, you have to work with Van Gaal's players", I think he'd have walked out before Christmas.
And I'm sorry but, asking the fans to get you out of your bad decisions by raising ticket prices, and selling off top academy players and homegrown talent.... if that is their plan then they clearly don't know what club they bought. Talk about ripping the soul out of a club, we may as well be Chelsea. Looking at the best academy in England like it's a fucking piggybank to break in case we need to buy players for the latest managerial misstep.
INEOS have not had this forced upon them. They had full access to the clubs finances before getting involved. They knew what they were getting into and could have walked away
They need to keep Amorim in and back him and clear the debt and get the best of everything in place for the fans
they have no plans to get rid of the debt, that's the issue. The Glazers brought them on to run football operations, keep the debt growing while they keep taking out dividends. To put it bluntly, Ineos bailed out the Glazers... gave them a life, a pathway to maintain the status quo. But the protests are gone, everyone's happy because Sir Jim is a "local lad"... full sale is the only way we recover from this.
It's going to be like this for the next 10 years, at least until the debts related to the stadium build is all paid off...
Ineos have done exactly what needed doing for years, loke like it or not that's the reality, if MUFC had carried on like before, they could have been in for a points deduction, and possibly administration.
You wanted Ineos over Qatar so deal with it.
You are part of the reason why the Club is in this state. You championed Jim Ratfliffe instead of Qatar. Knowing that he will keep the Glazers. "oh Qatar state money will take life out of Manchester united. Seems Jim is doing exactly what you wanted. Don't come here and complain about Sir Jim. It's embarrassing and makes you look delusional. Stick to your guns and be a man. You asked for this Ste and your Mancunian friends in Manchester. Not realizing that Football changed long time ago. And commercial has entered the realm of football.
Guess you are a better United fan because you didn't want Qatar. 😂
Exactly , they don’t care so by not going to games , at the end of the day , you’re biting your nose off to spite your face.
Tbh, im ok with all of the things they;re trying to change. Even the price increases. Financially, we’re making an annual loss consistently at this point, so belts gotta to be tightened. It is what it is. I just hope they’re prepared to dig in and trust the manager to sort the squad out. He needs to be backed.
Taking 60 pound per employee off Xmas bonus per year vs paying crap players. Come on that ridiculous you can decrease 1 players wage by 10k per week. We have several 200k plus per week players on the bench or out the squad.
@ yeah it sucks, but it is what it is. And no they cant just decrease a players wage by 10k per week… are you aware of how contracts work?
Fantastic take on the shitshow Stephen, I have supported United for 55 years I used to go home and away, I attended every game home and away the year we went down, the togetherness from the fans was intense. I loved the club and the football even then was better than we are turning out now, since the Glazers took over I have seen a marked decline in everything around the club and its disgusting, I still watch the team but I never go anymore and even though I want us to win it is not enjoyable for me to the point that emotionally I have switched off it is too depressing, I dont see anything positive around the club and while Ineos are doing the Glazers dirty work I see nothing but pain for our once great club.
INEOS is doing fine we just need to play in FRANCE NICE IS 5TH there 😂
Agree with a lot of what you say, but you're problem with anyone wanting Qatar to buy the club is strange. There's a group who wanted to buy the club, invest in the squad, invest in the ground and facilities, remove the debt, and.invest into the area. Ratcliffe has not done any of these.
Also, it's laughable that you say that Ineos has been better than the Glazers at communication. They are both completely devoid of any communication skills. Sad that people who care about our club are fooled by Ratcliffe and his mates, and you keep spouting out the rubbish about fans who wanted Qatar in. It's laughable and worrying that we have people in our fan base who think this way. And btw, I've been a season ticket holder since 1970, so I've seen everything, but this mob are the worst I've ever seen.
Bonuses should only be given when you consistently over a year have performed over what is expected for the job. It shouldn't be a God given.
As usual Ste makes perfect sense
I’m going to give INEOS the benefit of doubt for now.
Glazers have ran the club into the ground and I don’t think people realise how bad things are behind the scenes.
INEOS have to make very difficult decisions due to the mess from the Glazers.
We have been the worst run football club for at least 10 years and United are now paying for it
It’s about the long game, we want it all NOW, ain’t gonna happen. United are a changing club and we must accept it. Clubs evolve, clubs devolve. Patience.
They say you cant get blood out of a stone . But INEOS are doing there best with United . Just so the Glaziers are able to get more dividends . It makes you sick . And we wonder why the players are greedy . This is what they see from the owners .And when the players see that the owners do not really care about the club .Should we really be surprised by the players attitude This bad attitude in the club has cost us dearly . We have lost Paul Pogba , Mason Greenwood , Jadon Sancho , Anthony Martial and now it looks like we will lose Marcus Rashford and Garnacho . Partly because of this cancer in our club Just imagine if we still had these players and they were giving there heart and soul to the club we would not be in the mess we are in . Also when good players see the attitude of the club why would they want to come here and get poisoner by it I fear for Amorim it looks like he will need nerves of steel to succeed . The saddest thing of all is if Amorim succeeds the biggest winners will be the Glaziers .As fans we just cant win .
Keep up the good work Steve at least you are a bright light
I here the talk about ten hag costing 13m to sack after the extension and that being madness but how much would it of cost to sack him at the back in the summer
Calling him Sir Jim, we’ll done champ of the people.
Great video ste
The problem with INEOS is, they don't own the club, the Glazers are very much still here and the fact that it has unravelled this fast is pure Glazenomics
Imagine putting the ticket prices up to watch us get beat week in week out, absolutely no class
Tourest fans buying tickets
As they have for decades, anything original to say
Blaming the fans for ownership greed and mishandling of funds is stupid. The club isn't a mess because of season ticket holders or those who fly in to see their childhood club.
I'm a united fan, who happens to live outside of the UK! I can't get a season ticket. How am i supposed to watch United at old trafford if i can't buy a ticket? My money and support is helping united. We fans around the world are one of the reasons, why united make the most money out of the EPl clubs. We have all contributed to united's success. You as a local fan can't want united's success and at the same time hate the international fans. You can't have it both ways!
I can see Utd in two years time sacking Amorim, changing playing style again to wingers & trying to resign Garnacho
INEOS aren't the owners, never have been, they're a front facing voice for the Glazers
Currently see no difference between the Glazers and INEOS. i think INEOS is just the PR front for the Glazers.
Its funny how you were against Jassim buying the club. Now everyone is freaking out...
Doesn’t mean that it was wrong…
@StephenHowson it was wrong. Imagine Jassim buying the club. Clearing the debt.
Do you think that all of these cost-cutting measures would be happening? I don't think so. Imagine the Glazers gone, like really gone. Ineos is just a bandage.
Sadly most of the lawmans team mates are either passed or unwell
I gave up my season ticket in protest of the Glazers taking over. I'm also a founder member of FCUM and went regularly in those early years but we had kids. I refused to go to OT or buy merch but as the kids got older we do go 3 or 4 times a year and the kids do have shirts. I feel bad giving the Glazers (and now INEOS) money but i wont let my kids suffer. I have brainwashed them into hating the Glazers too at least
Fair play mate and good on you for taking a stand during the original takeover. It was (and still is to some extent) a no win situation for United fans. Either feel guilt for ending your engagement with the club you love that is in your blood, or feel guilt financing the parasitic owners of the club you love as they turn it into something you barely recognise.
I completely agree
They have their work cut out to get us back on the financial straight and narrow
Cuts are absolutely needed but surely there’s somebody in the INEOS organisation that can look from outside and say “wait a minute, the optics on this is REALLY FUCKIN SHIT”
Or is Jim happy to be the bad guy if he thinks the long term gains are worth it
What about the recurring problem not being addressed? Those players are ridiculously out of shape.
INEOS actions are required because of the Glazers management.
Getting angry and upset with INEOS just shows a lack of knowledge and maturity, abundantly displayed in this comment section.
Wake up and smell the coffee. INEOS have no idea what they’ve bought. It’s a house falling down, they cannot afford to rebuild. Sacking staff, increasing ticket prices, cutting charities are all blinding symptoms of poverty within the financial structure. Don’t even mention the garnacho crisis (easily worth 100M) If you back INEOS then just come out and say it. But don’t say their actions are required, just goes to show how willing you are to bend over and take it in the ass.
Correct, doing what was needed for years, without them MUFC could have gone into administration
Payroll 🧁
Glazers only still here because of INEOS though they were gonna lose the bid so they offered to cut them in and buy their portion at wayyyyyy over value
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Where are you morons getting this stuff. INEOS is responsible for the Glazers staying. HOW !. The Glazers owned United. You’re acting like they were being forced out by some mystery force.
Idiots.
I do think if we werre playing better qnd winning games a lot of people would be half as arsed about this. Its just the combination. But yeah the club seems to be in a worse off financial position than people think.
We can talk talk talk talk until the cows come home but at the end of the day if Ineos can’t provide Amorim with plays that suit his system then nothing is going to change. ETH had a good first season despite all the hassle he had with Ronaldo, his second season was blighted by injuries, Sancho and the sale of the club, you can say what you like about ETH but to win two cups in two seasons with the crap he had to put up with was great. I wonder had ETH done what Amorim is doing and stuck to his guns and told the Glazers “
I am not for changing my system get me the players I need to implement it” I wonder what would have happened? Anyway ETH has gone now, we have a new Manager Amorim so let’s support him leafs see what Ratcliffe and Ineos are really made of, Amorim has put it up to them and told them he is not for changing, let’s see how much they back him will he stand the test or will he be another one for the chop.
Remember “small margins”… who knew this what they meant when they said it 😂 🤦♂️
15:55 Good ol’ days
If any fan thinks the Glazers or Ratcliffe give a fuck about them they are deluded
Were are ineos going to get 4 billion for a new stadium
From the council / central government and if that fails, loans, it looks like. That seems to be their exit plan: cut as many costs as possible, get taxpayers to pay for an expensive stadium, profit.
Shit, the cost of a new build stadium doubled overnight?
That’s the best explanation on what’s wrong with Utd I have herd . And am a blue
They’re not THE owners of club, the glazers are. They’re just propping them up, both of them can get out.
It is an example of "This club don't belong to you. It belongs to the owners. We can do what we want and we want money. You'll ever put up with it. Or shut up about it. What are you gonna do? Watch Salford!"
2-3XL here boss, I'll take a shirt if it's around that size 🤣🤣
Why did you think that Ratcliffe/Ineos would be your saviours ? Their football interests in Europe haven't exactly been a success. The cycling team won most of their major tours as Sky. In fact Ineos have just had their worst ever season on the road. They spunked £millions on a failed America's Cup yachting attempt. Ratcliffe's excursions into sports hasn't been the glorious success people seem to think.
Not only was the piper not mic’d 🎤 up, on MUTV they said the piper was a tribute to Dennis Irwin! 😂🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ United can’t get anything right at the moment.