Couple things to note: I am not much of a Content Creator, therefore the editing is nonexistent... The video may jump around a bit because I had to do a few cuts due to issues. I don't play MSFS a lot, and I definitely don't fly helicopters in it very often, so I may mess some things up here and there. I had some issues with the startup procedure. Like I said, I fly the F model Chinook. It uses different engines and a different startup procedure than the D with the 712 engines which seems to be modeled here. Still, the startup procedure is greatly simplified and has a few deviations from the TM of the D model equipped with these engines. I also have issues with the flight model, but that is likely due to limitations of the current MSFS way of handling helicopters. I think Miltech Simulations did a good job of getting this aircraft as close as they could with these limitations. A few things I'd like to see, (some may be addressed with the new Sim update which will include Tandem Rotor Physics): Better flight modeling including realistic AFCS functionality/turn coordination. LCT functionality. Better representation of stick position indications on the Stick Position Indicator. More accurate representation of rotor system cyclic/collective pitch changes, and just more accurate movement in general. Sling Load physics modeling, (probably not likely). Load oscillations would be nice. Longer hook up times! External Loads are hooked up way too fast. I can assure you that it does not happen that quickly, and would add a bit of challenge for the pilots if they increased the hookup time. PTU sounds and realistic hydraulic functionality, I talk about this a lot in the video but kinda a big issue for me at least. Better ground handling. Engine/Transmission Pressure/Temperature indications need some work. Torque indications need to be fixed. Few issues with the startup procedure that I covered in the video. Once again, not trying to criticize Miltech here. I fully understand that they likely did their best with what they had available to them. Thanks!
Hey! First of all thanks a lot for the video. Any sort of feedback is always greatly appreciated and will allow us to continue improving the product. Some of the details you mention here are either a known issue or a limitation of the current FM (eg. anything related to torque, engine values, ECLs, etc.) and will be addressed shortly after SU15. Other simplifications are made for entertainment and ease of use - eg. limiting the sling load times to 5secs. Other simplifications are done just due to complexity and falling beyond the scope of this product (eg. trim coordination). Overall, there are lots of interesting things we can grab from the video as good feedback and that can be addressed in upcoming updates!
@miltechsimulations hey thanks a lot for checking out the video! I appreciate your response, and once again I hope some of my critiques didn't come across as overly harsh. I understand the need for a balance between a full fidelity simulation, and an enjoyable experience. In that regard, maybe add an option to the EFB to do things such as increase slingload hookup times? Could be a nice option for those who desire a bit more of a challenge. I look forward to more updates and fidelity offered by the new aerodynamics coming to MSFS. I'll definitely keep my eye on it and have decided I'm going to do a few more videos addressing some of my initial issues, and discussing some more procedural things. Hopefully with some better formatting and audio as well! Thanks again.
Enjoyed the in depth content man, subscribed and looking forward to more vids. As an ex Air Force crew chief I'm a nerd for acft systems knowledge. Side note, as I'm also a new flightsim youtuber and have put out a couple Chinook vids I would be down to do a collab Chinook video and be your wingman.
Loved you video man.. military guy here as well... Yes I thing we would love more video from you in both MSFS2020 and DCS very detailed!! Keep up the good work!
I had the same issue when starting #2. Got confused for like 5 minutes before I just tried it with #2 pumps on and that solved it. They did a decent job of scratching that itch of having ole girl in a flight sim. Definitely can't wait for the DCS model. I feel like that one is going to be very good.
Thanks, I'm a huge fan of the Chinook, really like the in depth look at this model, and happy that i didn't have it yet, hopefully they fix the many issues soon.
Thank you! Apologies for any weird formatting issues, hopefully you were able to see the things I was talking about. I have an ultrawide monitor so it's hard to render this down to a resolution that everyone who doesn't have an ultrawide can watch. Still learning!
Great reviewing. Really wanted this.....but now i don't as you clearly don't rate it very highly. The Chinook is an icon of the air and we must at least feel it's remotely realistic....especially for £30 is it. If they fix all your issues i'd love to hear your second review on it. I'm not an ultra study aircraft snob.....but seems like some pretty basic stuff missing, like shape, bend in rotor, sounds, cargo, flight dynamics, lifting dynamics
@@47Driver it was 100 percent the Black Hawk before I stepped into a Chinook Sim lol. Now it’s like 70 percent Blackhawk and the rest Chinook. I’ve always told myself I wanted to do Medevac OPs so we will see if I change my mind fully.
Was torn between the Miltech Chinook and the TOGA Huey for my next purchase. Thanks to your great video, I'm now leaning toward the Huey. Love the Chinook though. Hopefully Miltech will make some tweaks to get a bit closer. And when Microsoft finally offers support for dual rotor choppers, hoping that will help.
My honest opinion i belive they will get this all correct in the next sim theres so many limitations on this one but my biggest issues with this heli and yes i hate to say it.... The sound im okay with the background whine it whatever but if i pull a sharp 2g turn or something i expect to hear a bunch of slapping but it seems to just keep the same sound the whole time ill get it after i get that flyinside classic 206.
Thanks a lot for this video... really helped me understand a little bit more about the CH-47 and it's unique characteristics. I'd be interested to hear a followup following on from the SU15 updates and other bugfixes to see if this does at least partially address some of the issues you identified. Ultimately I understand that this is not going to be a 100% accurate representation of the real aircraft... but I'd like to know if it captures the core "feel" of how the aircraft flies...
Nice job without a sexy thumbnail and I was hoping for some "real world" input. Miltech should reach out to you unless they have plenty of SMEs now, but haven't seen it in MSFS yet compared to DCS and the "keyboard" SMEs trolls. Many limitations for helos in MSFS still and Miltech seems to understand that with the current sim. Former Black Hawk driver that helps with both MSFS and DCS mods of that platform, many devs love to have real world input as long as you understand the sim limits. The -10 doesn't always explain systems for non-pilots.
Hi @47Driver I started work on a mod converting the Miltech 47 to native, tandem rotor CFD aerodynamics. I got it working in principle, but the expertise of an SME with IRL experience would be invaluable for tuning. Can I contact You for consultaiton?
15% N1 before moving ECL to GRND I’m an old D model hooker FE , we didn’t have line of sight guards and yeah those ECL’s are way too small . I wouldn’t fly on that thing anyway .. don’t see a single drop of hydraulic fluid 😊
Great video, nice to have an insight into the 47 from the perspective of an actual Pilot of her. In another life I'm certain I'd be doing the same, always wanted to be a pilot, life regrets eh.. Also excellent that Miltech has taken notice of your video too! Can't wait to see her in DCS, I'll be sure to check that one out. All the best in your career bud, take it easy and fly safe. Respect from UK 🇬🇧
Great video! Lots of in-depth coverage of the cockpit and flight controls. I've also recently bought the model and have to agree it doesn't fly correctly, I was like 'why am I having to use the yaw pedals in forward flight?' as you say hopefully it'll be fixed when MSFS update the flight models. I'm also really looking forward to the DCS version. Regards terminology, the RAF will use Collective/Thrust lever interchangeably. Looking forward to more content.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight on this - really interesting stuff Looks like plenty of things for Miltech to work on but they seem to be pretty responsive to taking/implementing feedback. I imagine there will be a few bumps to work through initially when the tandem rotor support goes into MSFS shortly. Interesting points about the trim and pedal use in the real thing. I was asking about that on Avsim this week. Looking forward to another run through after the next round of Miltech updates. Since you mentioned not really being "a flightsim guy" or using MSFS much, a few tips. The default camera view from the pilot's seat for most aircraft is unfortunately a case of the old fisheye lens effect. You can set custom camera views in the sim's Options panel. You can also map the various Instrument Panel views to keys, or just cycle through them in the cockpit with Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2 etc.
Rheostat knobs and most rotating knobs in general, in MSFS. Click and hold right/left side of switch to begin rotatin > Scroll mouse wheel at the same time to turn the knob much faster. Some Aicraft allows you to hold Shift in any combination to get even more rotation speed (Scroll + Sift or Click & hold + Shift or Scroll + Click & Hol + Shift)
I was a 47D mechanic from 07-2013 and watching this video was a great trip down memory lane. I especially liked the little ground school portion at the beginning of you explaining all the instruments.
Great video mate, thank you for putting it together. Was an informative watch. I was also glad to see the dev stopping by taking the comments on board! Thanks again!
Love this bird so really appreciate the time you spent on this and the level of detail. Many thanks. Did a bunch of insertions in this bird in several theatres but don't know enough to be sure which variants. My service dates would suggest the D. I'd like to hear more about the sounds as this just isn't what i remember. Looking fwd to your vids on the DCS model.
One little question, you said that this is probably the one heli that could have the rotors hit each other. And i dont mean to be the “hurdiddurdidu ActUalLy guy” (to notice other tandem helicopters) like the 107 for an example, is it some factor that play in to it or is their some major feature or problem that differ? Really great video, you should continue making vids! :)
MSFS has made hella progress in the plane department since its inception. Unfortunately, the Heli’s have not caught up but I’m sure they’ll get there eventually. See you when DCS drops their Chinook 🤙🏻
Coming from a fellow aviator, you did pretty good considering the startup procedure and checklist is a bit wonky, i mostly fly the heritage Cold War and Vietnam war aircraft, and a few WW2 aircraft, but the UH-1 and the CH-47 (the first variation) are mainly the ones i fly, but seeing this startup is more relative to the older style setups like you said, but you did a kick ass job considering you fly the Fox model haha!
Great video! Your narration is excellent and the attention to detail and real-world experience makes for a fascinating watch. Easy subscribe from me. I'm sure the upcoming DCS CH-47 will be far more sophisticated, but I hope you'll find time to revisit this product after Miltech incorporates SU15 into the flight model. And of course, thank you for your service! Safe flying out there!
This was a great review, thanks a lot for your time! From other videos and reviews I was thinking this was a better product. What I see is a very low-fidelity add-on with added bells and whistles to make it more attractive to the users. There is a lot to be fixed and I don't think miltech will be interested, the product is probably not aimed for those that expect more realism.
Could you do a review of a rotary wing aircraft in DCS? As far as my knowledge goes the MI24, UH-1 and AH-64 are some of the most realistic renditions in publically available flight sims. I'd love to see your opinions.
Couple things to note:
I am not much of a Content Creator, therefore the editing is nonexistent... The video may jump around a bit because I had to do a few cuts due to issues. I don't play MSFS a lot, and I definitely don't fly helicopters in it very often, so I may mess some things up here and there.
I had some issues with the startup procedure. Like I said, I fly the F model Chinook. It uses different engines and a different startup procedure than the D with the 712 engines which seems to be modeled here. Still, the startup procedure is greatly simplified and has a few deviations from the TM of the D model equipped with these engines. I also have issues with the flight model, but that is likely due to limitations of the current MSFS way of handling helicopters. I think Miltech Simulations did a good job of getting this aircraft as close as they could with these limitations.
A few things I'd like to see, (some may be addressed with the new Sim update which will include Tandem Rotor Physics): Better flight modeling including realistic AFCS functionality/turn coordination. LCT functionality. Better representation of stick position indications on the Stick Position Indicator. More accurate representation of rotor system cyclic/collective pitch changes, and just more accurate movement in general. Sling Load physics modeling, (probably not likely). Load oscillations would be nice. Longer hook up times! External Loads are hooked up way too fast. I can assure you that it does not happen that quickly, and would add a bit of challenge for the pilots if they increased the hookup time. PTU sounds and realistic hydraulic functionality, I talk about this a lot in the video but kinda a big issue for me at least. Better ground handling. Engine/Transmission Pressure/Temperature indications need some work. Torque indications need to be fixed. Few issues with the startup procedure that I covered in the video.
Once again, not trying to criticize Miltech here. I fully understand that they likely did their best with what they had available to them.
Thanks!
Hey! First of all thanks a lot for the video. Any sort of feedback is always greatly appreciated and will allow us to continue improving the product.
Some of the details you mention here are either a known issue or a limitation of the current FM (eg. anything related to torque, engine values, ECLs, etc.) and will be addressed shortly after SU15.
Other simplifications are made for entertainment and ease of use - eg. limiting the sling load times to 5secs. Other simplifications are done just due to complexity and falling beyond the scope of this product (eg. trim coordination).
Overall, there are lots of interesting things we can grab from the video as good feedback and that can be addressed in upcoming updates!
@miltechsimulations hey thanks a lot for checking out the video! I appreciate your response, and once again I hope some of my critiques didn't come across as overly harsh. I understand the need for a balance between a full fidelity simulation, and an enjoyable experience. In that regard, maybe add an option to the EFB to do things such as increase slingload hookup times? Could be a nice option for those who desire a bit more of a challenge. I look forward to more updates and fidelity offered by the new aerodynamics coming to MSFS. I'll definitely keep my eye on it and have decided I'm going to do a few more videos addressing some of my initial issues, and discussing some more procedural things. Hopefully with some better formatting and audio as well! Thanks again.
Enjoyed the in depth content man, subscribed and looking forward to more vids. As an ex Air Force crew chief I'm a nerd for acft systems knowledge. Side note, as I'm also a new flightsim youtuber and have put out a couple Chinook vids I would be down to do a collab Chinook video and be your wingman.
Once you set up for an USL I'd love to hear a crewman over the intercom guiding you onto the load @@47Driver
Loved your detail and honest review. And to see that it was not for clicks. Miltech should give you a call.
Loved you video man.. military guy here as well... Yes I thing we would love more video from you in both MSFS2020 and DCS very detailed!! Keep up the good work!
Yea! thanks for willing to do DCS ch-47, eval, tutorial, ops for us fans,
Will be doing some DCS CH-47F content when it releases next month! Thanks for stopping by.
Keep em coming! DCS NEXT ;)
I had the same issue when starting #2. Got confused for like 5 minutes before I just tried it with #2 pumps on and that solved it. They did a decent job of scratching that itch of having ole girl in a flight sim. Definitely can't wait for the DCS model. I feel like that one is going to be very good.
Id recommend the xtrident Chinook in xp12 it flies and seems to match a lot more of the handling characteristics…great vid thanks for the rundown.
This has been recommended to me several times. May do a video on that one as well. Thanks!
Sweet video big dog!
My man. Thanks!
Thanks, I'm a huge fan of the Chinook, really like the in depth look at this model, and happy that i didn't have it yet, hopefully they fix the many issues soon.
I don’t comment a lot, but this is a really good video! I always enjoy seeing pilots comparing the real aircraft to the virtual one.
Thank you! Apologies for any weird formatting issues, hopefully you were able to see the things I was talking about. I have an ultrawide monitor so it's hard to render this down to a resolution that everyone who doesn't have an ultrawide can watch. Still learning!
Would love if you have a video on the flight planning, how to use it with the HSD, etc :)
@@nexus888 already filmed. Coming soon!
@@47Driver Awesome! thank you :)
Great reviewing. Really wanted this.....but now i don't as you clearly don't rate it very highly. The Chinook is an icon of the air and we must at least feel it's remotely realistic....especially for £30 is it. If they fix all your issues i'd love to hear your second review on it. I'm not an ultra study aircraft snob.....but seems like some pretty basic stuff missing, like shape, bend in rotor, sounds, cargo, flight dynamics, lifting dynamics
Have you looked at the one for Xplane? It would be a Cool Comparison. I'll even Sponsor.
Think I'll be looking into this one soon
@@47Driver Roger that brotha, hopefully I’ll be able to join yall up top pretty soon(selections this week).
@@PilotUnknownX what's your number one?
@@47Driver it was 100 percent the Black Hawk before I stepped into a Chinook Sim lol. Now it’s like 70 percent Blackhawk and the rest Chinook. I’ve always told myself I wanted to do Medevac OPs so we will see if I change my mind fully.
@PilotUnknownX I will keep my opinions on the 60 and that community to myself lol. Good luck man!
A helicopter is a million parts rotating rapidly around an oil leak waiting for metal fatigue to set in.
Was torn between the Miltech Chinook and the TOGA Huey for my next purchase. Thanks to your great video, I'm now leaning toward the Huey. Love the Chinook though. Hopefully Miltech will make some tweaks to get a bit closer. And when Microsoft finally offers support for dual rotor choppers, hoping that will help.
My honest opinion i belive they will get this all correct in the next sim theres so many limitations on this one but my biggest issues with this heli and yes i hate to say it.... The sound im okay with the background whine it whatever but if i pull a sharp 2g turn or something i expect to hear a bunch of slapping but it seems to just keep the same sound the whole time ill get it after i get that flyinside classic 206.
Thanks a lot for this video... really helped me understand a little bit more about the CH-47 and it's unique characteristics.
I'd be interested to hear a followup following on from the SU15 updates and other bugfixes to see if this does at least partially address some of the issues you identified.
Ultimately I understand that this is not going to be a 100% accurate representation of the real aircraft... but I'd like to know if it captures the core "feel" of how the aircraft flies...
Nice job without a sexy thumbnail and I was hoping for some "real world" input. Miltech should reach out to you unless they have plenty of SMEs now, but haven't seen it in MSFS yet compared to DCS and the "keyboard" SMEs trolls. Many limitations for helos in MSFS still and Miltech seems to understand that with the current sim. Former Black Hawk driver that helps with both MSFS and DCS mods of that platform, many devs love to have real world input as long as you understand the sim limits. The -10 doesn't always explain systems for non-pilots.
Awesome stuff man, love hearing feedback from real pilots!
First(ish)!
It's nice to see you starting this channel! Thank you for doing it!
Thank you for stopping by and thanks for the sub! Always appreciate your content!
@@47Driveryou're too kind. And now I can start appreciating yours as well!!!
This was a real treat. I appreciate you doing with because hopefully the developer sees this at makes some changes. I’d appreciate more content.
Hi @47Driver I started work on a mod converting the Miltech 47 to native, tandem rotor CFD aerodynamics. I got it working in principle, but the expertise of an SME with IRL experience would be invaluable for tuning. Can I contact You for consultaiton?
@@mikoajpytlik5225 feel free to reach out and I'll try to help where I can!
15% N1 before moving ECL to GRND I’m an old D model hooker FE , we didn’t have line of sight guards and yeah those ECL’s are way too small . I wouldn’t fly on that thing anyway .. don’t see a single drop of hydraulic fluid 😊
Thanks for your service! I appreciate the feedback, definitely some differences in the old dirty D vs the F. The F still leaks like a sieve haha!
Great video, nice to have an insight into the 47 from the perspective of an actual Pilot of her.
In another life I'm certain I'd be doing the same, always wanted to be a pilot, life regrets eh..
Also excellent that Miltech has taken notice of your video too!
Can't wait to see her in DCS, I'll be sure to check that one out.
All the best in your career bud, take it easy and fly safe.
Respect from UK 🇬🇧
looking forward to your videos on the upcoming DCS module, will sub
I wanted to reclass to 47 mechanic so bad so I could get closer to these birds. I was addicted to riding in them after my 1st deployment 👍🏽
respect for this video and for your service; awesome job!!
Great video and nice to see a real life perspective on SIM content.
nice video ... 😍
Great video! Lots of in-depth coverage of the cockpit and flight controls. I've also recently bought the model and have to agree it doesn't fly correctly, I was like 'why am I having to use the yaw pedals in forward flight?' as you say hopefully it'll be fixed when MSFS update the flight models. I'm also really looking forward to the DCS version. Regards terminology, the RAF will use Collective/Thrust lever interchangeably. Looking forward to more content.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and insight on this - really interesting stuff Looks like plenty of things for Miltech to work on but they seem to be pretty responsive to taking/implementing feedback. I imagine there will be a few bumps to work through initially when the tandem rotor support goes into MSFS shortly. Interesting points about the trim and pedal use in the real thing. I was asking about that on Avsim this week. Looking forward to another run through after the next round of Miltech updates.
Since you mentioned not really being "a flightsim guy" or using MSFS much, a few tips. The default camera view from the pilot's seat for most aircraft is unfortunately a case of the old fisheye lens effect. You can set custom camera views in the sim's Options panel. You can also map the various Instrument Panel views to keys, or just cycle through them in the cockpit with Ctrl+1, Ctrl+2 etc.
Thank you!
I see now why it's rare to find real pilots using game sims. Using this would ruin your knowledge.
Rheostat knobs and most rotating knobs in general, in MSFS. Click and hold right/left side of switch to begin rotatin > Scroll mouse wheel at the same time to turn the knob much faster.
Some Aicraft allows you to hold Shift in any combination to get even more rotation speed (Scroll + Sift or Click & hold + Shift or Scroll + Click & Hol + Shift)
I was a 47D mechanic from 07-2013 and watching this video was a great trip down memory lane. I especially liked the little ground school portion at the beginning of you explaining all the instruments.
Great video, picked this up today. Big helicopter fan.
The most beautiful bird ever built change my mind!
Great video mate, thank you for putting it together. Was an informative watch. I was also glad to see the dev stopping by taking the comments on board! Thanks again!
Thanx this is just great.
Love this bird so really appreciate the time you spent on this and the level of detail. Many thanks. Did a bunch of insertions in this bird in several theatres but don't know enough to be sure which variants. My service dates would suggest the D.
I'd like to hear more about the sounds as this just isn't what i remember. Looking fwd to your vids on the DCS model.
One little question, you said that this is probably the one heli that could have the rotors hit each other. And i dont mean to be the “hurdiddurdidu ActUalLy guy” (to notice other tandem helicopters) like the 107 for an example, is it some factor that play in to it or is their some major feature or problem that differ?
Really great video, you should continue making vids! :)
MSFS has made hella progress in the plane department since its inception. Unfortunately, the Heli’s have not caught up but I’m sure they’ll get there eventually. See you when DCS drops their Chinook 🤙🏻
Coming from a fellow aviator, you did pretty good considering the startup procedure and checklist is a bit wonky, i mostly fly the heritage Cold War and Vietnam war aircraft, and a few WW2 aircraft, but the UH-1 and the CH-47 (the first variation) are mainly the ones i fly, but seeing this startup is more relative to the older style setups like you said, but you did a kick ass job considering you fly the Fox model haha!
Thank you for this informative video on the Chinook! Loved it. Hope to see more of this stuff
Great video! Your narration is excellent and the attention to detail and real-world experience makes for a fascinating watch. Easy subscribe from me. I'm sure the upcoming DCS CH-47 will be far more sophisticated, but I hope you'll find time to revisit this product after Miltech incorporates SU15 into the flight model.
And of course, thank you for your service! Safe flying out there!
This was a great review, thanks a lot for your time! From other videos and reviews I was thinking this was a better product. What I see is a very low-fidelity add-on with added bells and whistles to make it more attractive to the users. There is a lot to be fixed and I don't think miltech will be interested, the product is probably not aimed for those that expect more realism.
Can't wait until it comes out for DCS. I love flying helicopters in DCS. Do you plan on making training videos on the DCS Chinook?
Yes
1 and 2 clear to flight baby 😂😂
My boyyyyy!
Could you do a review of a rotary wing aircraft in DCS? As far as my knowledge goes the MI24, UH-1 and AH-64 are some of the most realistic renditions in publically available flight sims. I'd love to see your opinions.
They are certainly pretty good. I may do something like this.
Thank you for this review Cpt.
Fantastic video, I like all these details
Will we get a new vid..? Look forward to it!
Yes, I will be doing some content on the upcoming DCS CH-47F when it releases next month. Some coworkers and I have some cool stuff planned!
I'm sure Miltech has done its homework checking with RL pilots when creating such complex aircraft like this
24:54 Lmfao
Awesome. Is it possible that you'll be able to provide in-depth tutorials and realistic procedural videos when the CH-47F comes out in DCS? Thanks
I will absolutely be doing videos on the F model when it comes to DCS. A lot of content planned for that one.