Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Outtake #1
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- A scene from an early trailer is inserted into the scene here. In this particular draft, Saavik is half-Romulan. This scene has never made any official version of the movie and is from a very early trailer shown at a movie festival.
I was 18 when this came out and I'm now 10 years older than Jim was portrayed as being here!
Where does time go 😅🫣
I was born months after this movie debuted.
“Time is fire in which we burn🔥” Soran - Star Trek Generations
@@brendansheehy8124
...What the fuck does that even mean, anyways!?
_Generations_ is one of my _least_ favorite Classic Trek movies (even though I first saw it in the theater at the time).
Same!
Still the best Star Trek movie to this day.
Absolutely.
Nimoy had absolutely the right voice and gravitas for the part.
Well, one of them has passed, and one of them is 93 years old, but their memory in these movies and shows will live in my mind forever!
I always love when Spock calls him Jim. It shows the closeness the characters became over the years. Great character development.
Aren't you dead? Best line in movie history!
I'm being shadow-censored. UA-cam mods that do shadow-censoring think they're smarter than me, but they aren't.
Everyone out there, refresh the page after you post a comment. If it disappears for a few refreshes you too are being shadow-censored. YT is draconian in this way. Not to mention their mods are complete assholes.
@@ArasteeleI saw both your comments FWIW
I remember not understanding it as a kid. He dies at the end of the film, so what was with this joke at the beginning? Somehow I'd missed that he played dead in the simulator room. 😂
The guy cleaning the flior.🤣
Not yet.
wow they so should've kept these scenes, what were they thinking, excellent interchange. Kirk surely must've been active in the academy but not the same as being in space.
Never understood why they cut the part about her being half-Romulan. That figured prominently in the novels and explained much about her behavior (such as when she beds David).
This movie saved the movie franchise!
In this time being 1/2 Romulan wasn't a big deal apparently, at least for Saavik. But in the TNG episode The Drumhead it was disqualifying for that young lieutenant.
The Drumhead was a great story. I guess the issue was that the ensign was embarrassed and that he lied on his SF application. Obviously Saavik didn’t hide her genetics.
@@SnowDaulphin Yeah, it was the lying on his entrance exam that tripped him up. That and facing a "hanging judge", as they say.
@@SnowDaulphin Maybe, I just remember the admiral and her assistant remarking that he carried the blood of a enemy.
Tarses was enlisted, not an officer
I vaguely recall from the book that Spock found Saavik on an abandoned Romulan colony and sponsored her entry into Starfleet. Her heritage wasn't a secret as it was in Drumhead, although I think she was equally ashamed of it and struggled to come to terms with it.
I never forgot the Space Janitor cleaning the floor.
The EXIT sign always bugs me.
The exchange’s between these two make the movie the classic it is
*exchanges. Please stop putting apostrophes in plurals. It's very annoying, you were NEVER taught to do it, so why do it?
This detail that was never seen on film was very important as it explains why Saavik acted too emotionally for a typical Vulcan.
Yeah, there were a couple of scenes that added important context that were cut, such as the one establishing the dead crewman that Scotty is all broken up over as his nephew.
It's amazing how much Nimoy's voice changed in the time between the original series and the movies. What was it, cigarettes?
He was a heavy smoker and quit in his 50s. It still caused his death
Never saw this, thank you. Personally, I wish they'd have left that in. I just recently noriced that Kirstie Alley's eyebrows did not appear to be altered for the movie. When I first noticed it I wasnt sure, but saw a close-up recently and she has "normal" eyebrows. Guess I bought her performance, becausr I never noticed it until now!
I believe her Romulan heritage is mentioned in the novelization for Star Trek II.
I was just about to say, I did not recall her Romulan heritage ever coming up in the movie, learn something new every day.
I read the novel a few years after the movie, so forgive me if I misremember but no only did it go into Saavik's being half-Romulan, but also her interaction with Scotty's nephew - he was helping her with meditation to calm her impulses. This explained her reaction in the film upon seeing the nephew mortally injured after the attack.
Look for the novel, The Pandora Principle. It's very good. Takes you directly into who Saavik is, her horrific childhood on the planet Hellguard and her relationship with Spock.
It is. And in the novel of Star Trek 3, Saavik and David have a romantic relationship - somewhere on UA-cam there's an out take clip of Saavik giving David a 'I'm all yours' stare !!
That's what I vaguely remember
It is a great shame that the full scene was not included in any of the releases of Star Trek 2...
Director’s Cut has it.
The director's cut doesn't include this.
Or the Sulu being given command orders after their training cruise
@@JB_HunkamunkaBut it does reveal the Peter Preston is Scotty’s nephew.
@@notabannedaccount8362 It doesn't. To be honest, I can see why. It really doesn't have any bearing on the main story, nor was part of any sub-plot.
Actually, given Spock’s later entanglement with the Romulans (and his attempts to unify Vulcan and Romulus), having Saavik be half Romulan would have been interesting.
I remember Kirstie Alley being criticized by Trekkies for being too emotional for a Vulcan. That might have been avoided if they'd left this in. I remember the novelization included it and the DC Comic book series I think did an origin story that also featured her Romulan background. Robin Curtis was instructed to play her full Vulcan later so I imagine canonically this was retconned, rendering Alley's performance a bit of an outlier - but still one of the highlights of the movie. Too bad she didn't get to play her again.
Admiral Kirk was doing a good job being the commandant of Starfleet Academy.
I believe he was director of Starfleet operations.
@@casey3cAdmiral Kirk was the Chief of Starfleet Operations until he took command of the refitted Enterprise from Captain Willard Decker because of an emergency years earlier.
I've never read the novelization of ST:II, but I did read the novelization of ST:III many years ago, and recall that this line of thought was continued in it, as was a romantic relationship between Saavik and Kirk's son, David.
Its a re-done scene, not deleted.
The characters were trying to retire since the wrath of Khan 😂
Though it might not be "official" canon, most fans accept that Saavik was half Romulan/ half Vulcan. This would explain her various visible emotions and refusal to accept the results of her cadet-training test, something a Vulcan would find illogical.
but they are the same people
0:32 - 0:45 That's a deleted scene not an outtake 🧐
I recall there was some reference to this in the novelization, which even though a movie novelization was probably [like all Trek novels] never official canon.
To get them out on time, the novelization was based on an earlier draft. Same with ST: III, in the novelization Sulu gets his own command, which was scrapped for III but came back for VI.
I've always known that Saavik was 1/2 Romulan.
the blue background in this scene always bugged me
Huh. Ya know, I always thought that Kirstie Alley played her Vulcan-ness a little too... seething. Also, a little too easy to bring to tears. A little too emotional about "And where's Reliant's crew? Dead?!" But if this was part of the script, I guess that was meant to be the whole point. She was playing to an aspect of the character that ended up on the cutting-room floor.
I suppose that half Romulan thing was long-since forgotten when Robin Curtis came along, which was probably why her Vulcan seemed so much more... Vulcan. A lot simpler just to play a female version of Spock than to try and find some middle-ground hybrid mix of polar opposite character traits the way Kirstie had to try and do. And because of an edit, there's 0 explanation for it in the movie. I suddenly feel like I owe her a posthumous apology for judging her performance too harshly. Then again, how the hell was I supposed to know?
I always assumed she was more emotional because she was a young cadet. That may not make her consistent with other Vulcans behaviour, but I liked that idea, although now it all makes more sense.
Kobayashi Maru: the short story.
Cadet Kirk fails the test, perhaps in record short time. Retakes, showing dogged determination to solve the scenario. An Admin takes pity on him and confides that the test is meant to be unbeatable. Scratches head after Kirk understands yet signs up to retake again.
Interesting to note that Kirk could have quit while he was ahead. The Admin confides also that whatever examination Board is impressed with Kirk already. Nonetheless, Kirk stays the course.
Kirk finds some way to hack the simulation prior to his final retest. It begins. His opening move is to hail the Klingons. They take one look at Kirk and say "oh, no! It's him!" and they surrender. Kirk's crewmembers snicker away. He's told to wait in an office by himself.
After a time, the Admin who's been in his corner comes in. Says the Board is deadlocked on what marks to give his illegal victory. Half have voted a commendation for original thinking! The other half want him expelled. 🤣
(end of my summary of that story)
I've really got to reread that! I thought Kirk did multiple retests to vary his combat strategies.
Yet, risking understatement, Spock is detail-oriented. I'd forgotten the part in this scene with him saying Kirk tested just thrice. Mustn't accuse Spock lightly of making factual mistakes.
So either the author of the story ignored that line or I'm remembering incorrectly.
probably not ignored just unwritten till they wrote it. Star Trek II simply established that Kirk too the test multiple times, and he beat the no win scenario by "cheating". It never really went into detail about the exact how, and manner on which he did this. The writer probably simply filled in the gaps. and various writers have told their version of how he did this, while keeping the same plot beats. In fact over the years , I think even in the 'Star Trek: Starfleet Academy' PC game, which has you as a cadet during the TWOK era, I think you literally have to do this to pass the Kobayashi Maru yourself. So this story of "Kirk beating the Kobayshi Maru" has been told in different variations over the years. So there probably is a version that goes exactly how you remember it.
I mean the line at 0:23 specifically, @@AgentExeider
Was that in theatrical and director's cut?
My memory could be incorrect that it was more than 3 in the story, OR figure the author disregarded or neglected this line. If I remembered it exactly, I could now tell you more detail, like the name of the Admin I kept mentioning.
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This is from the Wikipedia summary of the book's plot...
"Kirk explains how, as a young cadet, he spent countless nights studying ships and battles in a futile attempt to outthink the computer managing the scenario, until he finally realized that the only way to win was to "change the rules". On his third attempt, he alters the computer's programming so that the Klingon commander attacking him stands down upon learning that he is up against "Captain James T. Kirk". The Klingons agree to provide Kirk and his crew with an escort to save the stranded freighter. This stratagem impresses Kirk's superiors and becomes the first of the many famous acts of his career."
It could be that the "countless nights studying" is the phrase that made you remember him taking it countless times, when actually that was just his personal studies and the book says he took the test itself three times.
@@alm2187 I don’t remember if it’s in the theatrical release, I always watch the director’s cut on blu ray. It’s definitely on the director’s cut.
Was the giant EXIT sign supposed to be there?
Yes.
They still have exits in the future.
@@alexbruce9499 No they don't. In the future nobody has the need to leave the space they're currently in. It just wouldn't make sense.
Is the outtake in the room with us right now?
The guy cleaning the floor.🤣🤣
Was that guy in Starfleet and on the 23rd Century version of KP duty or was he a civilian contractor assigned to clean the floors at Starfleet Command?
@@Torgo1001 I've had days like that as an enlisted man in the US Navy, just waiting for my boat to come back, for me to report to it.
spocks voice kept lowerd by 3 packs a day
If Saavik is half-Romulan, could she be the daughter of Spock and the Romulan commander from The Enterprise Incident episode?
Not enough time had passed. Also, how to get her out of Romulan territory to join Starfleet?
That would make Spock's pon farr on the Genesis planet pretty awkward. The male Vulcan seen with the older Saavik in OTOY's "Unification" is the son of Spock and Saavik.
Saavik was rescued from a romulan outpost that captured Vulcans for a plan to use them for sleeper agents. Using the children of cross breeds of both races to gain access to Vulcan society in a long gain plan to overtake their planet and attack the federation from within.
@@MagicAl5F4781 Fascinating.
No. That would only make her 14 years old.
Why are there janitors in a post scarcity society?
I assume they live a very comfortable life, despite being a janitor. Strange though because why would you choose that job. Also at that point, surely there are robotic devices or other tech available to clean up.
A scene from this movie actually gets a callback in the final episode of Picard.