@@tsxtina2919, the clothes are lighthearted, rather than being a joke - if you look at most of them, they're actually very wearable, if not really designed for the everyday business of life.
I'm so glad that the kind of smug, self-satisfied derision of anything even slightly eccentric is no longer the norm in British culture - perhaps because the small town / suburban* middle classes can no longer afford to be so complacent as to assume that they are the natural arbiters of good taste? Sara Stockbridge in particular looked really good in those clothes (and always did); of the journalists on the show, only Janet Street-Porter really understood and appreciated what a major talent Vivienne Westwood was, and how important an ambassador she was for Britain's creative industries. *In London, there was still a major cultural divide between the suburbs and the inner city during the 1980s.
@@TibetanFox68 Saw this on a channel 5 clip show, and the commenting 'celebs' they cut away to typified sneering anti northerner sentiment from boujie middle class types, just mocking the audience' reaction to frankly ridiculous clothing & poses. Westwood is an astute woman but god forbid Avant Garde crap comes in contact with the real world.
@@TibetanFox68 i think since "normal" fashion is all subjective and fleeting anyway, getting very judgmental about it for any reason other than perhaps the quality of a garment's construction or sustainability doesn't actually make a lot of sense. i can understand not liking something, but outright laughing just makes them seem extremely narrow-minded. why not take it seriously? personally i love her clothes.
Viv looks fabulous and beautiful. Lawley looks trapped in eighties acceptability, obligatory shoulder pads an all. I suspect she's being deliberately obtuse here too.
My ex partner loved her clothes and spent thousands on them. I wore the rocking horse shoes on a night out once -for a Dare, I got strange looks all night and not a good idea walking home p....d in them. RIP viv.
I felt that she'd missed the point of Vivienne Westwood's work somewhat, which was to continue challenging accepted norms of dress whilst having arrived as a member of the fashion establishment. But a certain contempt for success was considered a legitimate part of British culture at the time.
Not really - it was more of a fun statement, a piece of whimsy. Men have always worn kilts since they first existed, and whilst most men don't wear them nowadays, there are quite a few who will on special occasions or to dress up.
The early stuff was cool that she flogged on the Kings Road with some genuinely clever designs. I’ve never loved any of her stuff Was all just tartans and overpriced tat. I mean a man would wear a kilt outfit not something out of Brigadoon that looks like a costume.
If something looks ridiculous, sounds ridiculous and smells ridiculous, it is because it is ridiculous. The audience here are the true barometer of an industry that has become a parody of itself.
If someone speaks fully of stupidity, don’t acknowledge anything but their own stupidity and you can smell their stupidity from miles away,it’s because they’re stupid.You are the barometer of a monotone,close minded,sad repetitive lifestyle that has pushed steel bars upon people who are vulnerable, make them kill the beauty and art in their life. Get a fucking life and try living the fuck out of it.
@@tomalebine2778no they are just not pretentious like you. You think throwing any old shit together makes you stylish and individual, it just makes you desperate for credibility to make up for your true lack of identity.
I honestly wish this happened to more "high fashion" designers. What is the point of clothes that only look "good" in editorials and most people won't wear.
@@tsxtina2919 Sounds like you don’t want to wear anything at all! do you walk around naked? if you’re not buying designer and not buying high street then what are you buying?
@@tomalebine2778 I actually do walk around naked. But also wear some fierce clothes when I go to an event. I just saw Dita Von Teese and I wore this stunning 1920 style fringe dress. The fringe was not clothing material or fabric, it was made out of plastic and it was so shiny. It was an unconventional dress made out of unconventional material, but it was still wearable. Unlike some of the ridiculous high fashion trash that designers have coming down their runways
Guys are wearing pearls now. She was ahead of her time
Is funny how they think she's weird but actually they're the weird ones
No, they think the clothes are silly.
The clothes are the joke. As are most high fashion even till this day
Thinking it 'silly' or finding it baffling is a mark of how narrow minded and/or 'unconscious' you are.
@@tsxtina2919, the clothes are lighthearted, rather than being a joke - if you look at most of them, they're actually very wearable, if not really designed for the everyday business of life.
I think it’s opening time at Pete and Bernie’s Philosophical Steak House.
Ha! Precisely how I arrived here!
I'm so glad that the kind of smug, self-satisfied derision of anything even slightly eccentric is no longer the norm in British culture - perhaps because the small town / suburban* middle classes can no longer afford to be so complacent as to assume that they are the natural arbiters of good taste? Sara Stockbridge in particular looked really good in those clothes (and always did); of the journalists on the show, only Janet Street-Porter really understood and appreciated what a major talent Vivienne Westwood was, and how important an ambassador she was for Britain's creative industries.
*In London, there was still a major cultural divide between the suburbs and the inner city during the 1980s.
12:16 "that, sadly for me, is the end of my career - I mean fortnight - on one of the ..."
Vivienne Westwood is world famous and very desirable. Where the F***k is Sue Lawley ?
Sue Lawley & Russell Harty came across as obnoxious and a bit cruel, but how could anyone take those outfits seriously?
@@TibetanFox68 Saw this on a channel 5 clip show, and the commenting 'celebs' they cut away to typified sneering anti northerner sentiment from boujie middle class types, just mocking the audience' reaction to frankly ridiculous clothing & poses. Westwood is an astute woman but god forbid Avant Garde crap comes in contact with the real world.
@@TibetanFox68 i think since "normal" fashion is all subjective and fleeting anyway, getting very judgmental about it for any reason other than perhaps the quality of a garment's construction or sustainability doesn't actually make a lot of sense. i can understand not liking something, but outright laughing just makes them seem extremely narrow-minded. why not take it seriously? personally i love her clothes.
@@strabwerry_jam because it was laughable
@@tsxtina2919 not sure why you're telling me that when i clearly don't see it that way. it's a waste of time.
interviewer made a good point about leaving behind the people she originally was designing for, interesting conversation
I agree
Viv looks fabulous and beautiful. Lawley looks trapped in eighties acceptability, obligatory shoulder pads an all. I suspect she's being deliberately obtuse here too.
Janet Street porter would have been in her 40s here
This is so educational...
Never could stand Russel Harty , ignorant ,rude ,the only person he belittled was himself !!!!
You just wish that Grace Jones would come on and punch him 😂
Is that a distributor cap from a Ford Mondeo?
Pete and Bernie's Philosophical Steak House is closed 🤣
Sue Lawley is so patronising!
What a disgraceful and ignorant display by Harty and Lawley. Westwood had the last laugh.
6:28 Chris Eubank clearly stole this idea
And why ever not?
My ex partner loved her clothes and spent thousands on them. I wore the rocking horse shoes on a night out once -for a Dare, I got strange looks all night and not a good idea walking home p....d in them. RIP viv.
Okay some parts of the interview was rude but wasn’t she right about asking Viv the questions about conforming and becoming part of the establishment?
I felt that she'd missed the point of Vivienne Westwood's work somewhat, which was to continue challenging accepted norms of dress whilst having arrived as a member of the fashion establishment. But a certain contempt for success was considered a legitimate part of British culture at the time.
I just lost the will when when the man in the kilt came out......this must of been a wind up.
Not really - it was more of a fun statement, a piece of whimsy. Men have always worn kilts since they first existed, and whilst most men don't wear them nowadays, there are quite a few who will on special occasions or to dress up.
This was hilarious at the time
Thank goodness our culture has moved on from this!
You're not to laugh
The early stuff was cool that she flogged on the Kings Road with some genuinely clever designs. I’ve never loved any of her stuff Was all just tartans and overpriced tat. I mean a man would wear a kilt outfit not something out of Brigadoon that looks like a costume.
If something looks ridiculous, sounds ridiculous and smells ridiculous, it is because it is ridiculous. The audience here are the true barometer of an industry that has become a parody of itself.
If someone speaks fully of stupidity, don’t acknowledge anything but their own stupidity and you can smell their stupidity from miles away,it’s because they’re stupid.You are the barometer of a monotone,close minded,sad repetitive lifestyle that has pushed steel bars upon people who are vulnerable, make them kill the beauty and art in their life. Get a fucking life and try living the fuck out of it.
you lack clearly lack vision and style
@@tomalebine2778no they are just not pretentious like you. You think throwing any old shit together makes you stylish and individual, it just makes you desperate for credibility to make up for your true lack of identity.
I honestly wish this happened to more "high fashion" designers. What is the point of clothes that only look "good" in editorials and most people won't wear.
High fashion should be new , unconventional, referential. If you want to wear a designers clothes down the high street buy the ‘ready to wear’ line.
@@TheSportykid1 high fashion is so dumb and it takes itself too serious. It's just clothes, it's not that serious
@@tsxtina2919 Sounds like you don’t want to wear anything at all! do you walk around naked? if you’re not buying designer and not buying high street then what are you buying?
@@tomalebine2778 I actually do walk around naked. But also wear some fierce clothes when I go to an event. I just saw Dita Von Teese and I wore this stunning 1920 style fringe dress. The fringe was not clothing material or fabric, it was made out of plastic and it was so shiny. It was an unconventional dress made out of unconventional material, but it was still wearable. Unlike some of the ridiculous high fashion trash that designers have coming down their runways
@@tsxtina2919 im not sure if youre being serious or sarcastic but if youre being serious then i like it, sound fabulous