The weak point on the Demon drive shaft is the middle bushing that can't be changed when worn out, trust me I know. I tried the Carbon fiber drive shaft, I am currently running the aluminum driveshaft from Drive shaft shop, and I am happy with it.
Very true. The carrier being is a weak point, that said, at my power level, not to mention I'm foot braking it... should be good for a while. Time will tell.
I had a Livernois Racing driveshaft in my 2018 Hellcat. No vibration or harmonics. Also had a 3.09 differential. Great combination. Livernois Racing is located in Michigan.
I had a 2016 Challenger it would vibrate at highway speed‘s between 75 and 80 miles an hour. With the stock driveshaft I had the tires road force balance also replace the tires took it to the dealer and I had them replace the driveshaft vibration continues. Long story short I ended up trading the Challenger for the charger hellcat I’m happy as hell thanks for the video please keep us updated.
And here I was thinking the single piece drive shafts were the only way to go. So what’s with all the hellcats blowing their stock shafts when on sticky tires? A couple years ago that was a big deal.
Thank you for info brother, I've heard the 1 piece carbon fiber driveshaft is the way to go for any higher hp mod cars drag racing. Heard launching 0-60 times were improved. Lighter & stronger & less likely to break. Obviously for stock, ya wouldn't need it. Love your vids, always learn something. Thank you sir👍😎🇺🇸👏
Hey Bro! Once again a great knowledgeable piece of work for us! Being old school mopar (Solid one piece drive shafts) when I discovered that my 2017 T/A SRT had a two piece DS it made places on my body tense and tighten up! So also my car being a stick car this is right up my alley Bro. Hopefully next year will be the N555's, Diff Brace, and a Red Eye Drive Shaft. Am I going to be Ok on OEM new drive shaft length being a stick car? Thanks Bro, Pistol Grip Rick
B Mason I think I got a chance to buying a new red eye driveshaft for my ‘16 Hellcat. This is 100% sure a DIRECT fit correct? They said without a good VIN they can’t do a return. So I have to be SURE this will work. I have an A8 as well.
So what are the driving Impressions with the Redeye driveshaft? Hopefully nothing. Probably feels stock as a rock now. Which is what we all want a driveshaft to feel like, quiet and smooth, and not broken trying to run a 1.49 60-foot Time
I've broken 2 OEM shafts on a grand Cherokee SRT (not even a trackhawk). The first time during a hard launch but the second time was just going down the highway although I was at 96k miles at the time. I hope it's not an issue from another component such as the transfer case.
Brian do you know if the Demon driveshaft will work on my 18 widebody Challenger? It looks the the redeye and demon are the same but wonder if I had a demon DS it would fit ok
I had a Wiles Racing driveshaft and it started vibrating around 130+. His older design before he changed to the CV Joint design was pretty good. But he stopped making those driveshafts for a reason, many of us had to return ours.
Once you have enough power you will rip the rubber out of the carrier bearing. I’m on my third used driveshaft. I buy them used from newer cars for around $200
B. Thanks for the quick reply. I’ve have the single” CV in a M6 Hellcat and a dual CV in a A8. No vibration in the seat on either. I have a slight steering wheel shake in the A8 at 81 to 90. I’m thinking/ hoping it’s time to re- balance the front tires/wheels. Thanks again. Great video as always.
B Mason mine is doing that bad right now. Should I go back to stock? I got the car used and don’t track it just love driving it. But now it’s doing that and I hate it
If you bring the power of your HC up significantly, or you take your car to the drag strip regularly, you may need an upgraded drive shaft. As for the cost, if it is ever taken off the FCA restricted part list, it is roughly $1,300.00
So is it really worth it because my center mount that supports the center of the driveshaft failed on my stock 2016 392 and I figured I would send the extra $3-400 for the better durability so I won't have to deal with this in the future but am I loosing drivability in the process of gaining durability?
That's a tough call. Obviously the red-eye Drive Shaft won't work in your application, so it would be a 1 piece Driveshaft for you. It is my understanding that the DSs drive shaft with the CV joints on both ends is a really good peace, and may offer better drivability than the drive shafts with the U-joint.
Cant run a Redeye driveshaft on a manual. Ive seen enough information on snapped driveshafts doing alot of damage on Hellcats under stock power just on sticky tires to not wanna chance it
I have a 2017 Challenger scat pack with an automatic transmission. I did a pull onto the freeway and later on after investigating the noise I found out I lost my carrier bearing. Do you recommend the aluminum one from driveshaft shop or factory? Since they seem to be the only manufacturer that still makes one piece driveshafts for my car. Also I was going to using the bmr cradle lockout.
@@bmasontv understood sir. I’m hoping to not have to deal with the vibration but at the same time these cars get incredibly hot in that area so I would probably end up losing the carrier bearing again is my concern with the factory shaft. When I contact DSS what should do I ask for?
@@bmasontv understood sir thank you very much. This seems to be like uncharted territory for all of these forum. I appreciate all of the hard work you did. I did watch both of your videos on testing them. It has been a few years now. So I wanted to ask have you turned up anything new in any further research? Or have the results remained the same?
@@ty_the_guy951I appreciate that! The results remain the same. Stick with DSS and you should be good. Just steer clear of Wiles, those are junk. I would also recommend staying away from any drive shaft with u joints. I tested several and they all had a vibration. Stock is the smoothest.
I have a m6 so I dont have the option yo upgrade to a redeye ds, I have a DSS one piece alum and the vibration sucks at certain speeds 85- 130 ish mph- going back to my stock ds, I run 760 rwhp--is it a safe move?
True that they are more prone to vibration. No, you are not guaranteed to have a vibration however you will be more likely to have a vibration if you go with a one piece driveshaft. Try this, take your car out hold it steady at about 95 miles an hour then run it up to about a hundred miles per hour and just hold it and see if you get a vibration out of that CCI driveshaft. If you don't congratulations you're one of the lucky ones who got away with not having a vibration
Here's the thing, drive shafts will typically fail due to wheel hop. So if you're on the street chances are you're going to be just fine. I wouldn't worry about it for a minute. If you will be going to the dragstrip quite a bit, I would say that it is maybe a good idea to get a different drive shaft at your power level, but not mandatory. Just watch that wheel hop my friend
@@thenotoriousnova1102 let out at the first sign of wheel hop. Proper tire pressure and sizing is important. Don't underinflate the tires looking for traction. This will give an inconsistent footprint and can lead to wheel hop.
@@bmasontv would you say a A8 2019+ challenger HC on like a 275 dr with just a intake and cat back nothing else would be alright for occasional strip use not every weekend but every once in a while
FCA used the 2 piece shaft due to the cars ability to go 200mph, the center bearing is key to that issue by keeping sections short. None of the one piece shafts can safely run 200mph, but they're much stronger for drag racing.
The weak point on the Demon drive shaft is the middle bushing that can't be changed when worn out, trust me I know. I tried the Carbon fiber drive shaft, I am currently running the aluminum driveshaft from Drive shaft shop, and I am happy with it.
I noticed DSS has a dampened 1 pc. Is that the one you're running?
Very true. The carrier being is a weak point, that said, at my power level, not to mention I'm foot braking it... should be good for a while. Time will tell.
I purchased the aluminum too from DSS but haven’t installed it yet
@@b5beast611 yes
@@bmasontvcan’t you upgrade the center bearing?
I had a Livernois Racing driveshaft in my 2018 Hellcat. No vibration or
harmonics. Also had a 3.09 differential. Great combination. Livernois Racing is located in Michigan.
how much was it
@@jkoolii $1100
Great video Professor Mason, I learn alot from you Thank you!
I had a 2016 Challenger it would vibrate at highway speed‘s between 75 and 80 miles an hour. With the stock driveshaft I had the tires road force balance also replace the tires took it to the dealer and I had them replace the driveshaft vibration continues. Long story short I ended up trading the Challenger for the charger hellcat I’m happy as hell thanks for the video please keep us updated.
So you are getting vibrations from the aluminum DS?
Now I’m having second thoughts about changing my DS
And here I was thinking the single piece drive shafts were the only way to go. So what’s with all the hellcats blowing their stock shafts when on sticky tires? A couple years ago that was a big deal.
I was surprised how similar the Hellcat and the Redeye driveshafts were. Hopefully you can stop having to swap driveshafts all the time now.
Awesome B《☆》 Revlon :*: I like it :*: Good luck with the Redeye shaft :*: I would love to get the whole Redeye in my garage one of these days🤓☻🤠
Thanks for the information 👍
I'm curious to see how that works. Great info! 👍👍
Thank you for the clinic. Great info.
Thank you for info brother, I've heard the 1 piece carbon fiber driveshaft is the way to go for any higher hp mod cars drag racing. Heard launching 0-60 times were improved. Lighter & stronger & less likely to break.
Obviously for stock, ya wouldn't need it.
Love your vids, always learn something.
Thank you sir👍😎🇺🇸👏
CF have proven themselves to be a bit fragile.... the weight of these vehicles is more to blame than anything.
@@bmasontv
Oh ok, tks for telling me.
I didnt know that.👍
Very Informational video, awesome. Thanks!
Hey Bro! Once again a great knowledgeable piece of work for us! Being old school mopar (Solid one piece drive shafts) when I discovered that my 2017 T/A SRT had a two piece DS it made places on my body tense and tighten up! So also my car being a stick car this is right up my alley Bro. Hopefully next year will be the N555's, Diff Brace, and a Red Eye Drive Shaft. Am I going to be Ok on OEM new drive shaft length being a stick car? Thanks Bro, Pistol Grip Rick
Demon ds will not work for your car.. a one piece so hasn't been as big of an issue In stick cars from what i understand
Great information. Thanks!
B Mason I think I got a chance to buying a new red eye driveshaft for my ‘16 Hellcat. This is 100% sure a DIRECT fit correct? They said without a good VIN they can’t do a return. So I have to be SURE this will work. I have an A8 as well.
If you have a Challenger it will fit.
So what are the driving Impressions with the Redeye driveshaft? Hopefully nothing. Probably feels stock as a rock now. Which is what we all want a driveshaft to feel like, quiet and smooth, and not broken trying to run a 1.49 60-foot Time
Feels perfect. Smoothe as silk
@@bmasontv now you can really enjoy those 309 gears. The vibration would be annoying.
i have a 392 and i already broke a hellcat driveshaft and a demon driveshaft when i accelerated from a launch, why does this keep happening?
I've broken 2 OEM shafts on a grand Cherokee SRT (not even a trackhawk). The first time during a hard launch but the second time was just going down the highway although I was at 96k miles at the time. I hope it's not an issue from another component such as the transfer case.
So many people on Hellcat.org says the Demon/RE driveshaft wont fit the Hellcat because of the transmission flange is slightly different.
Well... my car will have to differ. Lol. Works great.
Is the one piece driveshaft hellcat is the same for for Dodge charger 2016 RT ,5.7 hemi?
What was your flange to flange measurement
Brian do you know if the Demon driveshaft will work on my 18 widebody Challenger? It looks the the redeye and demon are the same but wonder if I had a demon DS it would fit ok
My understanding is it will. The Redeye is working great in mine.
Is the red eye driveshaft off a charger? Are they interchangeable? Can’t seem to find a clear answer. lol
No challenger and charger are not interchangable
@@bmasontvmuch help! Thanks.
My Wiles Racing driveshaft on my Hellcat doesn’t vibrate at all.
I had a Wiles Racing driveshaft and it started vibrating around 130+. His older design before he changed to the CV Joint design was pretty good. But he stopped making those driveshafts for a reason, many of us had to return ours.
At Wiles run 4" tube with a sonnax slip spline, 1350 spicer joints and sonnax flange yokes now
Once you have enough power you will rip the rubber out of the carrier bearing. I’m on my third used driveshaft. I buy them used from newer cars for around $200
what part of texas are you in b mason?
Thanks for that info. Do you know if the redeye DS is vin locked like the demon is?
It is... frustrating to say the least.
@@bmasontv very frustrating especially since the Redeye is not limited production.. Boohoo Mopar👎
What does that me ? I know yu need 309 to run a red eye what about axles
Where was the vibration noticed when driving at the cruise speeds you referenced ? ie: seat, steering wheel or????
Rear of the car. Almost like both rear wheels lost the balance weights.
B. Thanks for the quick reply.
I’ve have the single” CV in a M6 Hellcat and a dual CV in a A8. No vibration in the seat on either. I have a slight steering wheel shake in the A8 at 81 to 90. I’m thinking/ hoping it’s time to re- balance the front tires/wheels. Thanks again. Great video as always.
B Mason mine is doing that bad right now. Should I go back to stock? I got the car used and don’t track it just love driving it. But now it’s doing that and I hate it
Your very welcome brother.
Smoothe as silk!
B Mason awesome my man! Get out there and go sub 10.3 soon!
@@BehemothRacing Just need that DA!!!
Thumbs up buddy for donating to the cause !!! 👍👍👍👍
Does the 18 and 19 hellcat have the same driveshaft as The red eye?
No, not the same as Redeye/Demon.
Is this what you need to replace if you get better tires? Also what does it cost?
If you bring the power of your HC up significantly, or you take your car to the drag strip regularly, you may need an upgraded drive shaft. As for the cost, if it is ever taken off the FCA restricted part list, it is roughly $1,300.00
@@bmasontv Thx
So is it really worth it because my center mount that supports the center of the driveshaft failed on my stock 2016 392 and I figured I would send the extra $3-400 for the better durability so I won't have to deal with this in the future but am I loosing drivability in the process of gaining durability?
That's a tough call. Obviously the red-eye Drive Shaft won't work in your application, so it would be a 1 piece Driveshaft for you. It is my understanding that the DSs drive shaft with the CV joints on both ends is a really good peace, and may offer better drivability than the drive shafts with the U-joint.
@@bmasontv I figured that ,appreciate the insight its been a back and forth decision trying to decide.
Cant run a Redeye driveshaft on a manual. Ive seen enough information on snapped driveshafts doing alot of damage on Hellcats under stock power just on sticky tires to not wanna chance it
You are correct on both parts
Can you run it on a Charger or 300?
I have a 2017 Challenger scat pack with an automatic transmission. I did a pull onto the freeway and later on after investigating the noise I found out I lost my carrier bearing. Do you recommend the aluminum one from driveshaft shop or factory? Since they seem to be the only manufacturer that still makes one piece driveshafts for my car. Also I was going to using the bmr cradle lockout.
Both are good options. I've heard of good results with the double CV joint DSS drive shaft
@@bmasontv understood sir. I’m hoping to not have to deal with the vibration but at the same time these cars get incredibly hot in that area so I would probably end up losing the carrier bearing again is my concern with the factory shaft. When I contact DSS what should do I ask for?
@@ty_the_guy951 drives haft with the cv joints on both sides
@@bmasontv understood sir thank you very much. This seems to be like uncharted territory for all of these forum. I appreciate all of the hard work you did. I did watch both of your videos on testing them. It has been a few years now. So I wanted to ask have you turned up anything new in any further research? Or have the results remained the same?
@@ty_the_guy951I appreciate that! The results remain the same. Stick with DSS and you should be good. Just steer clear of Wiles, those are junk. I would also recommend staying away from any drive shaft with u joints. I tested several and they all had a vibration. Stock is the smoothest.
When you buy a OEM drive shaft does it come with new bolts.
I do not believe that it does.
Do you recommend putting new bolts.
@@jesseclifford4970 no, I don't think you have to. I've used the same bolts over and over and over again
I have a m6 so I dont have the option yo upgrade to a redeye ds, I have a DSS one piece alum and the vibration sucks at certain speeds 85- 130 ish mph- going back to my stock ds, I run 760 rwhp--is it a safe move?
If you are not going to the drag strip, you will be okay.
@@bmasontv i go 3 or 4 times a year
Not true that the 1 piece will cause vibration, I have none with a CCI shaft.
True that they are more prone to vibration. No, you are not guaranteed to have a vibration however you will be more likely to have a vibration if you go with a one piece driveshaft. Try this, take your car out hold it steady at about 95 miles an hour then run it up to about a hundred miles per hour and just hold it and see if you get a vibration out of that CCI driveshaft. If you don't congratulations you're one of the lucky ones who got away with not having a vibration
Would you recommend upgrading to a one piece driveshaft if I'm going with 20 in drag radials on my hellcat? Stock power.
Here's the thing, drive shafts will typically fail due to wheel hop. So if you're on the street chances are you're going to be just fine. I wouldn't worry about it for a minute. If you will be going to the dragstrip quite a bit, I would say that it is maybe a good idea to get a different drive shaft at your power level, but not mandatory. Just watch that wheel hop my friend
@@bmasontv thank you so much!
@@bmasontv how would you avoid wheel hop on these cars….like if it hooks and it books your solid or if it spins or chatters the tires do you let out
@@thenotoriousnova1102 let out at the first sign of wheel hop. Proper tire pressure and sizing is important. Don't underinflate the tires looking for traction. This will give an inconsistent footprint and can lead to wheel hop.
@@bmasontv would you say a A8 2019+ challenger HC on like a 275 dr with just a intake and cat back nothing else would be alright for occasional strip use not every weekend but every once in a while
Seems to me if FCA thought a one piece shaft was better they would have used it.
FCA used the 2 piece shaft due to the cars ability to go 200mph, the center bearing is key to that issue by keeping sections short. None of the one piece shafts can safely run 200mph, but they're much stronger for drag racing.
Hey B Mason, I ordered my new Redeye driveshaft! Do you have the torque specs of the driveshaft bolts?
If I remember correctly, 49 fl lbs. Is the factory spec. I ran mine in in 3 steps to 52. Remove and install in the appropriate star pattern.
@@bmasontv Thank you bud!
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