Okay, these comments are an unnecessary hate filled bloodbath. not good. I'm clearly approaching this with the take to see a better side of this gacha system, I am just having a DISCUSSION with Saint, and we're having a reasonable conversation. A lot of the Arknights community is up in a hate fuelled rant against him, just because he's giving an unfavourable take. How about we approach this with retorts and have intelligent comments, than to just reduce to hate posting. I've been warned the Arknights community is defensive and hateful towards critique, and I HOPE this isn't the case here and actually, we can have reasonable conversations. Im actually enjoying the game, let's be objective. Pity carry over is important and a feature that would make this the BEST system out there. We all agree. Let's conclude with that.
I tried being objective about what he said but he just sounded like someone who played genshin too much wanting the gacha to be an exact copy of that instead of trying to figure out what's going on. if genshin didn't exist and AKE was the one that came out back then, people by now would be way more careful with their pulls instead of doing singles everytime they get 160 primos, which is literally making the player feel ok to not be patient when it comes to this. that's most predatory part I've seen of the gacha system in genshin in general. I've played AK for 5 years at this point and I save up long before a limited banner comes up. most of the banners are non limited and worse case scenario you can literally buy the character from the shop.
@@manjiste1239 All of this is fine and fair. Everything Saint said to improve the system would objectively, just make it better overall. Lack of pity carry over is just a universal turn off.
is not that we are trying to rant about him or angry about him , is the fact that his video is spreading misinformation and doesn't try to do more research more on the game . he learn all that from a single reddit post and conclude that the gacha system is WORSE than Genshin . so we try explain to other that haven't try the OG arknights yet to know that the gacha is fair and why .
@ It would make it better. but how far do you think they should improve it tho? since if you really want to improve the gacha experience, the solution would be to remove it entirely lol. what I meant is he isn't really considering everything but being picky about certain stuff to unfairly compare it to something that is actually worse
I mean him calling it the worst system in gacha gaming is objectively false which is why so many people are calling him out on it. The fact is that there are pros and cons to this system but he is so vehemently against this system that he hyper fixates on the cons.
I've been a daily pass player in AK for eight months now and have 33 6*s on my account, and even a few random pots on some of them (I've never pulled for pots in AK). I started HSR and ZZZ within a few weeks of that and have nine 5*s in zzz (two are standard banner characters and near useless) and eight 5*s in HSR (two are standard banner characters and near useless). I've been playing all three games, and they each are very different and scratch a different gaming itch, but objectively I've come out way ahead on my AK account. The number of pulls I get in all three games is similar, but AK is a 6* every 34 pulls on average and HSR/ZZZ it's every 63 pulls on average. Plus I've gotten six 6*s in AK from the shop and recruitment systems and four as welfare. I missed Dr. Ratio in HSR, but did just get Harumasa in ZZZ. I was hoping we'd see another 5* welfare in HSR with 3.0 but not looking like it.
2+ years with Genshin - no Jean, HSR day 1 player - no Yanqing, WuWa C6 Encore - no furry guy :) so yeah good luck with getting standard char u want...
The only good point that saint makes is that barely reaching 120 pity and not getting the character id gonna hurt for casual players. But then again he is acting like its completely wasted which it literally isnt. It will literally carry over to the next 80 pity. Also losing 5050 in this game is alot better than losing 5050 in wuwa, hsr or genshin since there are no limited characters.
Did some crunching. 400 oroberyl (character gacha currency) from daily missions 800 oroberyl from weekly dungeon mode 5000 arsenal tickets (weapon gacha currency) from weekly dungeon mode. Assuming each version is 6 weeks like other games: every version you get 43 character pulls and 100 weapon pulls for free before even accounting for daily pass/events/battle pass/one-time permanent content stuff. Obviously the income is subject to change but compared to HSR from similar sources (daily mission plus weekly SU/DU) only gives about 24 pulls for either banner.
Does this factor in the weekly pulls you get from the ship trader for outpost currency? Just unlocked it in the beta, looks like it resets every week and I've gotten 3 pulls out of that so far.
Reminder that Hypergryph tried to do a predatory move with Chen Alter then got tied up, was held at gunpoint and beaten up by the community that they backtracked on that move. Trust me that if the AK community sees a greedy move, they won't eat it up like a certain other game's community.
Yeah, Ch'en Alter release was a big mess... only for them to release Wis'Adel a couple years later, and barely anyone complained. So, don't held your hopes high that community will stand for itself.
@meltup Wis'adel wasn't really a problem, It made sense cause it tied with the story and wasn't out of the blue, her being broken is completely unexpected but what can you do really, besides if you really hate it that she just destroys everything, then just don't use her. That's pretty much what I do and only used her if i want to turn off my brain and unga bunga my way through a stage. Ch'en alter on the other hand was just out of the blue, the 2D Art was horrendous and looked rushed as hell which kinda indicated that they were doing it just to milk the players and making her kit blatantly broken, Literally made no sense why a chick with 2 water blasters can do more damage to a heavily armored enemy than a character who has an ability that can nuke or something.
@@meltupnah. Chalter was lazy, dumb, op and didn't even look good. Ch'en, of all people, in a bikini with a water gun? Why even, other than for fanservice? Her E2 was just straight up blatant, not mention it looked weird. It didn't fit with the character and of course she had to be broken so people would want her more. Walter represents character growth, is in line with the story, looks alright, not much fanservice... Aaand she's the most broken operator ever. Still, the two of them are not comparable. Not in a fair way, anyway.
@@meltup Let's not forget that Wiz'adel is a character that Low Light himself has been working on since long before the game existed. So it doesn't surprise me that he gave her a strong kit because of the love he has for her and the importance of her role in the main story... Ch'en, for her part, i would like to see her given a different version that resonates more with her story.... like Wiz'adel...
Chalter came out of nowhere All of us were expecting it to be a skin, not an very cash grab alter The other summer havent been as bad since At least theres now a lore basis for most of them
i play both arknights and wuwa, and endfield's gacha system is essentially the same as og arknight's system with some minor tweeks. but the endfield's rate up banner never said that the character is limited, I can believe this is true because the og arknights only have limited character for special occasions such as aniverseries, this means you can lose a 50/50 but actually still get a character you want that wasn't on banner. i like this system over the wuwa system because this means I can eventually get all the characters available and only have to go hard on the limited banners when they eventually come out which is very free to play friendly. And being able to pull on weapon banners just as by products of character banner is great for me because i don't want to use my pulls on weapons when characters are so much more important to me.
I didnt play original Arknights but expected exactly this. I don't understand why people complaining. Yes that 120 doesn't carry to next banner but it also mean you can lose 50/50 and get the character you wanted previous banner. Losing is no more actually losing which is very cool. Not like genshin and wuwa where losing 50/50 means you got character you will never use.
every of them only want the fail safe guarantee system and ignore EVERY SINGLE THING around the gacha system, smh... did they really have no brain cell?
Their very reason to exisst is milking the drama they created themselves for income, by that very definition its impossible to ever rate or critizise anything fairly. I don't know why people listnen to them as if their opinion is gospel in the first place, but I guess "I'm actually pretty happy, nothing bad to say" just doesn't generate any interest.
Gacha gamers literally have no brain cells, only gamba, gamba, gamab, and people wonder why FGO taught me to be an extreme currency hoarder that rolls maybe twice a year, when GSSRs happen, because I know how much it takes to get what you want, and I have extreme self-control, unlike most people in the gacha CC community who are only rolling for "content".
Saintontas is really really dumb because he thinks the ability to "mindlessly throw rolls at the banner just for fun" is more important than having a guarantee that is 40 rolls cheaper than 160.
Building pity is stupid, its the number one rule on what to do as a f2p. Players have the information that they have 120 guarantee before they pull, if you don't have 120 pulls saved up and you decide to pull, thats on you buddy, not the game. Saint is scared of a new system, a system that has worked for AK for years.
The AK community's bullshit radar is second to none, they'd be the first to call it out. Endfield's gacha is honestly pretty damn forgiving, same as the OG game. Like, what is bro on about?
@@madalinradion More yapping about nothing just to say something. If you don't know anything, how about you just keep quiet? And your definition of better means worse for everyone else aka sane, reasonable people who don't suffer from brainrot. Bluepilled sheep gobbling up all the drama slop rotting your brains.
no, the problem is not everyone will read the fine print in the gacha system. So a casual guy can be throwing pulls at a banner forever and not get anything ever
Sorry to say this, but He doesn't know about the gacha system in any gahca game, just playing from big gacha companies like Kurogames and Mihoyo. First, 120 pulls are the worst scenario of your gacha in Endfield not you have to 8:25. If you want to combine all pity you need and compare it to Genshin, you need 180 pulls for a Character and weapon. In Endfield you can pull weapons with wasted pulls currency from your character the same system as Blue Archive, .it's basically "If you suck at your character's pull, you can get more weapon with it"It'ss pretty fair to me. Second, you don't need another dupe of a character because it's not a big thing, they increase character stats but didn't change the character skills. Unlike Genshin, the dupe will become a game-changer in the game, you might depend on your dupe if you want to build a character because it can change certain skill effects, that's a huge deal, another pity you need to collect for building character in character banner. Same deal as PGR, PGR is a good pity but has a terrible impact, you get an S character but you need to increase it beyond that either you farm it or gacha it and if you choose to farm it, that's a long road for single character. You also don't need to farm a perfect artifact for your character build, so you don't waste your time Third, this game is currently in Beta test, don't be harsh on the Gacha system, All Arknight community also demands the Pity Carry-over because their OG has the same system. This issue is just overshadowing the overall performance of the game. This game even offers a lot more than the current big gacha to this day like bringing Xenoblade gameplay. Called this game sucks, greedy and etc while overlooks the gameplay is not fair at all when you can play this game freely without gacha-wall or power check because you don't have enough character dupes and artifact build.
Totally agree. As AK's player from first release. I has never need extra dupe for AK's character because it doesn't change much or need to have. So you only need keep 120 pulls for character you need and that done.
@@luffman4587 honestly I'm searching for the flaw in Arknight Endfield, really want to see how HG would handle it in the future. Turn out he was just yapping about the Gacha system for over 20 minutes on an obvious problem that most people already know it, pity carries over. This is hilarious to watch because this is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@ well, i agree, Also coincidentally that Dunning-Kruger effect, in gacha games mostly happen around someone that thinking of himself a hero that wanted to save the gacha community
Good ones: 1. Dupes are not a big deal in AK indeed 2. 80pull 50/50 character pity will carry over (NOT THE CHARACTER RATEUP GUARANTEE PITY) 3. Endfield's Laevatain Banner is NOT LIMITED. when her banner expires, she can show on future regular pulls 4. AK's economy is generous enough to save for pity. 5. Weapon pulls wouldnt cost actual money. Weapon pull currency are a by product of your Character pulls and generously farmable in Roguelike Game mode 6. Weapon rates: Endfield is 4.0% WUWA is 0.8% Genshin is 0.7% How is Endfield the worst? People have counter arguments here but it being worse to Genshin's is just, discombobulating... 7. Featured weapon is guaranteed at 80th pull same as WUWA anyways. How is Endfield any worse than WUWA? This is literally the same guys, Why is WUWA so mad about this, It's the same if not arguably better because of the 4.0% rate up for 6* weapons before hitting rate up guaranteed pity. I could be wrong about some technicalities here but I've been going back and forth with WUWA and Endfields system, They are the same to me unless I'm actually starting to lose it. Are we really sure that this is the "Worst gacha in all of gacha"? because if so, WUWA is not far off lol.. Bad ones; 1. 120 guaranteed featured character pity is One time per banner. 2. 120 guaranteed featured character pity will not carry over 3. Featured weapon chances 25/75 upon 6* rainbow spark. 4. Character GUARANTEED pity: Endfield is 120 Saintontas: "Endfield is the worst gacha system ever, I owe Mihoyo an apology"
Weapon banner rates are actually way better than in both wuwa and genshin 1. You can farm a little less over 50 weapon pulls per month from a weekly mode, in wuwa and genshin you convert gacha currency to pulls as you would with character pulls 2. 4% gacha rate for ssr with 25/75 for limited weapon. Wuwa has 0.8% and a 50/50 for the limited weapon Which just means endfield weapon gacha has 1% limited weapon rate and 3% standard ssr rate. While wuwa has actually 0.4% limited weapon rates People have been brainwashed by these modern gacha its honestly funny
How is 120 pulls to guarantee a rate up character a con ? It's 180 for Hoyo, 160 for Wuwa. Also, we're gonna get premium currency by pulling on the character banner, so we're not splitting currency between characters and weapons. Honestly Endfield's gacha system seems pretty good, it all depends on the income currency. If they pull an Arknights and reintegrate the free yellow currency (forgot the name) that can be either used to gain more gacha pulls or be spent on skins, this would be great.
I think it should be noted that most characters will be in the standard banner in this game, so losing a 50/50 won't be as punishing as it is in other games.
so why do i have to rely on getting spooked from an ever growing pool to get what i want and have my pulls wasted? its a greedy mechanic meant to fomo and trap players into spending. why the hell are you all defending this ?
All of the people who played the original are saying this new one is way more generous than the old one They clearly used their money to actually develop a proper game instead of whatever the fuck hoyo does with their billions I’ll wait until it comes out and give it a chance
It seems complaint mostly come from people who play mainstream gacha and never play OG arknight, keep in mind like in og arknight you dont need copy or dupe, 1 copy or full pot not going to give character gazillion dmg, copy in this arknight is meaningless, the only purpose getting pot is just for flex you favourite character And in the endgame reward such as the weekly rogue like mode you can make 20 pulls per week reset, not to mention weekly quest and also dailies and also posible other content because endfield still follow og arknight where you can farm everything from content from the game
@@AthenaChan modern gacha players rly cant stop their gambling addiction and make as much excuses as possible to justify pulling anytime they get 1 pull 🤣🤣🤣
The value per pull with this system is pretty good to me. Most of the people who got really mad & call it the worst system ever are just so used to extreme FOMO marketing which encourages impulse pulling (dmg type weakness/advantage + dungeon rotations being the biggest offenders in gacha games). Plus, no other gacha can be the worst when a system like HI3 gacha exists (I've only played part 1 HI3). Some players are used to impulse pulling on og AK because of the 2% drop rate but for a below 1% gacha it's really useless to pull unless you can hit hard pity. Also from what the combat system looks like in beta, the (combat) pull incentive will be around combat skill triggers.
Even some of the Meta characters are optional to the point you don't need to pull them, at least from my experience playing OG Arknigths. I've been assuming that Arknights gets their revenue from fashion skins and those who wants pot6 on their characters.
An example in the worst case in Genshin, the character is taken out with 160 shots. And the weapon with another 160 is 320 in the worst case. So why would it be difficult to save 120 shots in Arknights Endfield XD .They are overcome by gambling addiction
Tbh when I do gacha I dont want to waste on rolls when the end screen I get when doing a 10 pull is 1 charcter and 9 garbage weapons ,this guy didnt realize that the banners are charcters only which to me is better thats one of the reasons i dropped GFL2 if wanna get a weapon i would just buy or gacha on a separate gacha or shop which is the thing Endfield is doing but yeah 120 pull guarantee is not really that new even in AK ive seen a lot worse gacha system if HG wants a good feedback carrying over the 120 pity isnt that hard they literally have a survey on the gacha so they already know of its good or bad
Omg it's the Lord AcELord! I'm amazed how much they made better in Endfield's gacha compared to OG: A one-time guarantee at 120 which is the same as AK's collab banners, and those are extremely rare; extra currency after rolling the character gacha that lets you roll on a separate weapon banner AND is also farmable weekly, and a guaranteed 5 star every 10 pull which original AK only did for one 10 pull, which lead to the meme of how people would get the rate up 6* before getting the rate up 5*. And like OG Arknights, having only characters in the gacha makes it very easy for new players to completely fill out the lowest rarity (but still viable) roster and maybe even maximize their dupes very early in the game.
@AcElord123 I'm a GFL vet, played since release but dropped it due to work and such, catching up on the novel-length story events I missed has been quite a pain but it's fantastic... Anyway, I was super happy for GFL2 but once I saw they adopted the hoyo gacha model I felt like I just got kicked right in the balls. I hate this gacha system, there is truly nothing good about the system and is designed to take as much money as possible from the user. I was really hoping they looked to Nikke on how to do gacha, they rake it in, dupes aren't required, rates are fantastic, banner units get added to standard, and most skins are S tier and where the most of the money comes from. It beats Genshin in revenue without locking character power behind dupes. I'm still going to play, I'm far to invested in the story not to, but we are a far cry away from the extremely f2p days of GFL.
@@khaalmalki4039the reception from Beta testers is drastically different from people who did not. Most likely because they spent more than 30 seconds reading the banner details (the biggest being that characters in the rate up are *not* limited). Also, comparing with Hoyo games, the only negative thing about AKE is the lack of 120 Guaranteed carrying over, which is like the only valid criticism being given right now.
@@khaalmalki4039 Call it shite then, But Saint claiming it's worse than Genshin? Like how much more proud can you feel about yourself for being so uninformed? jesus.
@@khaalmalki4039 even AK’s number one rage baiter (who constantly spreads misinfo and trolls), Tectone, had a more objective and clear take on the gacha system. Absolutely wild work.
I wonder why this hate war had to start. I remembered it clearly when I watched KyostinV the GOAT doing beta testing, there was no drama whatsoever... "yet". And suddenly, the similar situation from wuwa back then, when genshin fandom trashtalk wuwa, somehow appear again (now the object become Endfield). I have many questions regarding the CC that made this kind of content honestly. Is it necessary? what is the benefit for us and for you? Do you know the risk? Is it worth it? Is your goal to influence us not to play this game/ hate this game (because congratulation, you did a good job)? and many more. Your channel is by no mean not small. Like it or not, if you make this kind of content, you will instigate the hate war. And before you label me as "toxic vocal minority that had lost brain cell and became dummies", there are things that I agree and disagree. But you need to know that even someone voice slight disagreement, they will be label as vocal minorities who can't accept different perspective. Why? because this kind of content somehow encourage people to join the hate bandwagon and not to support/ boycott the game, which is very effective tho. Anyway, I hope your channel will always grow though. And maybe try to collab with the beta tester. Ask their perspective, you don't need to agree to them tho, but at least please understand their viewpoint first. Good luck
Dont wanna generalize, but it seems like he has no idea whatsoever how HG runs ingame currency economy, the type of banners employed that gives players the ability to get the units they missing or want to get. If so, i cant blame how he would be speaking from a point of ignorance.
Actually the 120 guarantee is a smart move to lure/incentivize f2p/light spenders to spend just like how WuWa's weapon banner is a great way to lure/incentivize f2p/light spenders. Guaranteed stuff are always good when it comes to gacha games. For example WuWa's weapon banner is so good that every astrite that you throw at it counts towards the pity where eventually light spenders could just swipe for a bit and they can get it 100%, and f2p's eventually would be able to save enough to at least guarantee their account a couple of characters with their signature 5* weapons AK:Endfield's 120 is literally a check point where light spenders and f2p's could target to get the banner character, but here's a question, is there solid proof within the game or statement coming from Hypergryph themselves that the pity count for the 80 hard pity carries over? because if it does? then nice, we could possibly be seeing one of the most f2p friendly gacha systems from the major gacha games but if it doesn't? then oh boy we might be seeing one of the worst systems instead
TBH, this gacha pity system is undoubtedly very good for F2P players and it's not that good for spenders, dolphins, whales, and leviathans suffer greatly with this system if they don't have luck. The issue is that in time whales will most likely stop playing this game faster than other gachas if they are unlucky; rage quit usually trumps sunk cost fallacy. Most people who play gachas won't have issues with the system because they go for 1 copy of the character and 1 copy of the sig weapon, these guys are the F2P and low spenders (people that buy the monthly pass and/or the battle pass). People who want more than 1 copy of a character will suffer a lot. My thoughts on this is that they will change it, it will probably have a guarantee system after the 120 pulls, which will satisfy both sides. The pity not carrying over is also a big downside, it pretty much makes it so people won't touch certain banners because it's worthless, even if there's anything on the banner that you want that's not the 6-star, you can't touch it, because the pity won't carry over and you need those pulls for the next character that you want. I feel that it's stupid that pity doesn't carry over, they could even limit the pity carry over, something like: you get the featured 6 stars at 120 pulls, however, up to 60-70 pulls carry over to the next banner as starting pity. Overall, I think they will change some things before the game is properly launched, I mean, that's the purpose of open/closed betas and early access, to get feedback from the community and implement changes based on that feedback.
People doesn't know how arknight gacha work 1. There is no limited character ( yet ) in the game currently , this banner is only RATE UP , is will be in the rate off banner after this is over meaning you still can get her or FUTURE character if you miss them . OG arknight already 5 years old and ONLY got around 19-20 limited character and 3 of them is true limited meaning we might not get them again after that . We got 100+ 6* and 20 of them is limited. 2. People play gacha really can't save for pull ? Is 120 guarantee a 6* rate up character not 160 or 180 . Think smarter before you pull every patch like do you need another damage dealer or tanker or healer 3. Weapon banner suck ? Oh boy let me tell you this if you play the game for over 3 month or 6 , im sure the game will give you shit ton of weapon ticket for you to pull if you play event and other daily weekly mission , the arknight is known for the generous . Stop with the " ONLY KURO IS GOOD , ONLY KURO IS GENEROUS TO US " Im a day 1 player of arknight and my spending is doesn't even reach 50$ yet and i got about 95% of the character ( 6* 5* 4* 3* ) in the game , i still got over 300 pull after all this 4. Will you be listen to a guy that never play arknight or to a ARKNIGHT COMMUNITY that has been playing the game FOR 5 YEARS without having any issue to the gacha , to the people keep saying the game will be EOS , mind you this is their 3rd game . They make shit ton of collab ( rainbow 6 siege twice , monster hunter , limbus , IRL collab ) , anime and more with this kind of gacha So i hope you guy who doesn't know shit about the game keep your dirty drama among your hoyo or wuwa and leave the game alone , this is not criticism is just hate and misinformation. If you reading this and still belike " gacha still suck or no whale eos " then stop , we don't need you here to cry about it for us .
THIS most of people who complain i see is people that never play arknights before People like this They're gonna eat their own word when the game already release or get filtered naturally
@@aditradityagreed8067 true most arknight players thing that this gacha system is fairly good. and finally a game where not all new characters are always limited
one thing i'd like to add that you might have forgotten, that the devs play test og arknights with low star ops, like 4* operators. With this mindset in mind, its probably the same situation for endfield
They will not change the pity carry over. People could be focusing on a number of other ways to improve the gacha, but they instead focus on the one thing that the debs WILL NOT change. I hope I'm wrong and the devs will add in guarantee pity carry over, but let's be honest and realistic, they won't. Absolutely they will not. Improve the 50/50, give more currency, increase the rate. These are all things they could realistically do but barely anyone bring it up. I don't want to make this comment too long, but I'll just quickly add a few more points: - dupes aren't important. - characters aren't limited. - you ONLY get characters on character banners. - the weapon banner? Possibly the best one ever. Dunno, I don't like weapon banners. But you'll get 30,000 weapon currency every patch. So, you are guaranteed a 6* of your choice each patch, and then some. And that's not counting leftover currency, currency from pulling on characters, and if you're desperate, converting gacha currency into weapon currency. As for the combat? Skill issue. I'm not even trying to be mean. Most players apparently are just now learning what a skill trigger is. People are still learning and discovering how the game works. Chances are, if you're not enjoying the combat, it's because you still don't know what you're doing. SP issues? Cycle between skills, combo skills and ultimates. Use gear. Be more strategic with when you use your skills, don't just spam whenever you can. Of course, that's not a guarantee, but that's what seems to be the case with most people. The dodge is weird though. Apparently it's either just difficult, or jank.
I don't know if anybody realize this. But saint is shutting down all actual good things about the Arknights system and I mean everything, the guy is going full "Only a Sith deals in absolutes". He kept shutting down Cabinetz whenever she recognized something that makes the system not that bad. HE ALWAYS have some bullshit reason to really make the system as bad as it can possibly be when it's not that bad in reality. Dude has a mega case of tunnel visioning on the negative. Here's my advice; watch other CC with actual hands on the beta and listen to their analysis and then make your own judgement on the system. Look for other CC's opinion on the matter. Saint even said he didn't want access to Endfield's beta, that we couldnt be bothered and now he's spewing BS criticism like he actually understands better. This guy. There are more CCs out there covering this gacha system with a more open mindet than Saint's "If it's not copying WUWA, it's a bad system" mindset. I recommend checking out E-thin's, Kalo Cu, Mr. Pokke or even Tectone's video covering this with actual criticism based on facts. Saintontas is a doomer. As an AK fan for years now, calling the AK gacha system worse than genshin is just not the truth because if it was people would've been up to arms and this is just needlessly insulting I don't know when was this recorded, but more and more people and CCs are beginning to realize that this Endfield gacha drama is overblown.
Blud won a school cafeteria arguement on wuwa and then thinks he knows all gacha things. Seeing the delusions on the guy is actually really funny to see tbh lmao. Pretty sure the only gacha he played are wuwa and Hoyoverse games, nothing else iirc.
@@Croxiinum It's unbelievable how arrogant he has become. The Endfield gacha is mess and part to blame HG because they didn't word it out in a way a WUWA player or Genshin can understand, actual brain rot. I mean can you imagine how brainrottten these people to thinking that their WUWA/Genshin gacha is the only acceptable standard? insane
@@mcbeefcakes6377 Yeah... Well we can't really do anything about it, they are people who just mainly plays mainstream games and won't try niche games like AK or blue archive and etc. we can only hope that hypergryph listens to the right people (probably should mainly listen to the players that actually plays their game and has already knowledge on how their gacha system works) and so on.
@@Croxiinum Damn straight. Funnily enough, CCs that fall under the same conclusion with Saint's are often the ones who don't have access to the beta.. And it's telling.
5 year OG arknights player here, im sure many AK fans are passionate which may come off as too defensive but we just love the game. Many even believe it's the best gacha game. I do believe calling him out on it is good. It is not at all the worst gacha system hence why people are mad. Not unreasonable. We all know it needs improving but give it a proper evaluation or at least understand it first.
it's not perfect, but it is fair gacha system, but it could be fairer. 120 pull hard pity guarantee is fair but not carrying isn't. Maybe HG could give 120 as a discount for first time, like how guarateed 5* for first 10pulls, and roll back for 160 for dupes. It will be better since there's no weapon mixed in the main gacha system.
If they think the SP is bad, just wait for our Lord and Savior MYRTLE comes because you know Hypergryph is bringing the dwarf loli to to remake the Banner Vanguards for SP generation, because to this day she is the one broken 4 star in Arknights that even the 6 star version is nowhere as good as her.
there is weekly end game content that nets roughly 20 weapon bannner pulls, and also on character banner pulls(not alot). if anything the gacha system is anti-whale. also, this the same company that is extremely generous on their players. sorry, but saintotas doesnt fucking know what he is saying.
Arknights is Simple Pull the Banner you want and try to get lucky Gacha is Gamba you are betting your Luck. Dupes doesn't matter max pot is a flex. 4 and 5 Star here are not useless each of them is unique in their respected roles 4star Snowshine for example she basically block counter all of the charge attacks even bosses and also heals. Though, I can't blame them when they were introduced to a new system and confused, Probably because they played too much Hoyo and forgot the game they are playing a game is not from Hoyo.
And not to mention Hypergryph, or Gryphpine as they are called for Endfield, is still looking into details if the gacha system works since players are using 4 characters instead of 12-13 characters. It's just that they are so used to other systems like on kuro and hoyo that this is a negative to them in their opinion and/or experience. Maybe we just don't see eye to eye on that.
@@joshhca6403 Yes indeed, As an Arknights player the banner is normal to me but for the Hoyo players it's not. So you were probably right that we don't see eye to eye on that because we play different games that created by different game company. Also, Most players probably won't matter to them because Endfield is fresh and new and it plays well all of them will try it anyways and just leave when they don't like it. It's still beta everything will settles when it releases.
Saintontas unironically has the most garbage biased opinions against any game that isn't his Wuthering Waves, which is as always to him utterly perfect and devoid of any shortcomings or flaws whatsoever. Why the fuck would anybody not in his circle want to listen to anything he has to say about any other game period? Frankly at this point why would anybody want to hear from this particular circle about any game that isn't Wuthering Waves as it's all just heavily biased garbage, but especially Saintontas. I'd honestly rather hear takes from Tectone these days as he mostly just blindly hates Genshin, while Saintontas is the absolute definition of a corporate shill circling the wagons for his one true belove company and relentlessly negative and unreasonable about literally anything that is not the one game from the one company.
The gacha system is good in arknights because of how they play test the game themselves.Clearly, capt and saintontas didnt do their research on arknights. As in arknights, you dont need much 6 stars to beat the game as the devs test the game with low star or free to obtain operators to test stages, even the ex, h stages to make sure that its beatable. And if you played arknights, you already know how difficult they are, and the fact that they play test it with these criteria's in mind, mind boggles me, as i struggle with 5 stars, but of course, we have our lord and savior KyoStinV showing us how to do it with low star ops all the time.
Personally I think the AK system is actually REALLY good and this guy is just afraid of change and/or is getting paid to shill for the Genshin gacha system. It kind of comes off as blind hatred because there is one or two things he doesn't like about it so therefore the whole system is garbage but never actually considers the system as a whole and the context it's in. Both systems should be seen from a starting point, 0 pulls, and what is the maximum amount of $ you would have to spend to get the character + weapon. For Genshin, that amount varies wildly, whereas AK you can find a general fixed amount since dupes aren't important. -You need 500 oroberyls to pull once, you get 400 per day (compared to wuwa and genshin with 160 per 1 pulls, getting 60 per day) -You only need 120, not 160-180 pulls for getting a guarantee starting from zero pity -You naturally gain arsenal ticket, the currency for weapon banner, when pulling characters, meaning you don't have to share your oroberyls, the astrite and primogems of endfield, to the weapon banner, and instead only spend it on character banners -Said arsenal tickets can be acquired on weekly tasks and events, you get 5000 per week, and you need 2940 to do a 10 pull on the weapon banner. Meaning, you don't have to spend more to get a featured 6 star weapon, (not to mention, you don't even have to pull as you can buy 5 and 6 star weapons) -There's a high likelihood that featured characters will be sent to the standard pool, meaning you can get previously featured characters from losing 50/50 (Source from the survey questions). CHARACTERS ARE NOT LIMITED -Dupes are insignificant upgrades, meaning you only need 1 copy of a character to function at 100% strength. Unlike in Genshin or GFL2 where you NEED multiple dupes (Although if this changed, and dupes bring huge power spike, then yes I agree this can be the worst gacha system because you no longer get that guarantee at 120 pulls, but if they follow og arknights' principle of dupes being minor upgrades, this is unlikely to happen) The current design is meant to be f2p, low spender friendly, and less predatory than any hoyo game. Honestly the idea of “banking pity” is a trap and distraction from noticing the bad gacha system and the tons of money you are dropping. It's literally there to fool you into thinking your are gaming the system and coming out ahead. For AK, if you got your character, got your weapon, and you are 70 of 80 from another guarantee then just do the pull. Nothing is wasted and maybe you win the 50/50 for a marginal upgrade. IF you are only 30 in, then don't do it and save your gems for a new banner. The goal is to get 1 of each, not dupes, this isn't hard. His "user error = bad design" argument is bs imo.
25:28 combos, skills, and the base building is really complicated initially and I think most likely people still don't understand it even multiple days in. Team building has been a ton of fun. Especially since the main combat is meant to be supplemental to the base building and defensive elements.
OK listening to her complaints. I think this game's combat may just not be for her. The tight dodge is great! I love how difficult it can be and how tight the combos are. It's a less aggressive game than many other action gacha's and I am really appreciating that as someone who finds the super fast (and often hard to read) attacks in Genshin and Zzz to be boring due to how little strategy there is in the moment to moment gameplay.
First of all, if the system is generous or not it will depend on income. Secondly, if you assume that 1 pull on WuWa is equal to 1 pull on arknights, the better system is determined by math! Third, the only objective conclusion to be made is that the system is very restrictive, if you want to optimize your pulls you can't pull without having 120 pulls and if you don't do that you are heavily penalized.
Excuse me? "Whales are very important to the life-cycle of a gacha game."? Drop those preconceived notions about gacha games because AK:EF isn't a traditional gacha game. If anything, it's the mass of dolphins that keep the OG game running, not the whales. Those that supported their concerts. Those that bought their merch. They're no whales, they're everyday people who can afford a little of AK in their lives. Eh, why even bother at this point. If you'd like a discussion with me to break down his arguments, just reply here. If not, this discussion is moot and over.
False. Profts is what keeps these free games going. It doesn't matter if it isn't a traditional gacha, it is still a gacha and they make their money the same way.
@@khaalmalki4039its different for Arknights bro. AK's dupe system is not necessary and most people wouldnt try for those. Hoyo games however, rely alot on them hence the whaling. Its that simple. A dolphin can 100% get every banner unit in Arknights not a problem with them functioning as close to its best form. You dont get that in hoyo games where 2 eidolons has over 100% boost in dmg.
Whales don't even bother about this drama or the opinion of others on how to save for pulls. Lol . As long as the game experience is good for them. They just whale anyway.
I think people should play the Original Arknights game before they step-in to Endfield just to find a clearer picture of the gacha system. The game is completely free and gacha system is an improved copy of the original game.
@@kami761, but it does though, think of it as like the "Similar Figures of Geometry" where the value may change but regardless of the size and proportion it's still equal.
@@kami761 It does tho, in Arknights one banner can have two 6* while in endfield that would be difficult since it's 3D lol the drop rate does make sense even tho it's pretty hurtful
This system is very similar to Arknights's collab banner system, no OG Arknights fan will ever complain about this because we're already familiar with all the goods this system has for f2p. In some cases this system is even better than the og Arknights because it has the 80 pull pitt carry over and a 50/50 which Arknights's collab banners don't have the only thing worse here is the rate that has been nerfed by 1.2% for 6 stars. No one that plays Arknights will have any problem with getting the characters they want. And I don't think that HG will change this system because that's what most people who are gonna religiously play Endfield are used to and understand
I just hope the pull economy isn't stingy with the pulls we get each patch, if its generous than I can just reroll in the beginning to get every character that I want.
That's the other thing that only OG AK and endfield beta testers can understand, the economy is actually generous in Arknight's design. Saint sure won't know because the guy didnt want access to the beta. And now he shts on the game like he knows best for us lol.
Hypergriph has a design philosophy of giving the player agency over their rolls and their characters. So rather than giving out rolls per patch like other games, they implement a system like OG Arknights, where you can safely farm rolls or even craft them.
personally i think endfield 120 guarantee once per banner is better for f2p (its definitely bad on whales tho) assuming that we get almost the same gacha pulls as hoyo gives (which usually runs around more or less than 110 pulls you consumed all the content the patch gave) you skip one patch and you are probably basically guaranteed for ~120 banners to come the normal pity (the one that resets upon getting any 6 star) still carries over which is nice now for the meta gaming in arknights (basing on og arknights) potentials are usually not that had much of an impact comparing to hoyo games where they characters gets mega broken on c/e/m1-2 onwards the one thing i really like on arknights gacha banner is that thier weapon banner where some of your character pulls is practically converted to your weapon funds
also one thing about arknights characters gacha is that if not stated (based on OG arknights i dont on endfields tho) as limited character, the character goes to the standard banner pulls where in the current surtr banner once it ends surtr will get transfered as standard character, where you can potentially lose 50/50 to on the next banner
that's an interesting point of view. as an Ak player, I would loved the 120 guarantee to be carry over. maybe I've got brain washed enough by Ak to the point I don't mind the current system. i just didn't pull on featured banner, I only pull on Limited banner that comes roughly once every 3 month.
But don't dupes not matter in Endfield? I haven't seen any potentials yet that actually give any major bonuses or playstyle upgrades. Also does the carry over really matter? Do people not just save for the banner they want? Why would you pull on every single banner? That seems super wasteful and not worth doing... In any gacha game.
The gacha is good tbh. Theres no weapon banner that uses premium currency. Its just character banner. But yea, the 120 pulls not carrying over sucks but the 80 does I think. Also the gameplay os very very veeeery different from genshin, wuwa and even zzz
it is fair, but it could be better. i am kinda mixed with HG take in the gacha system. It is fair, fairer than Genshin or Wuwa, even AK ffs. It's just, it's not only AK players are their audience, all gacha player are their demographic. It's not that they have to please other gacha players outside AK, but HG has to do something this 120 hard pity not carrying, and come up with something better.
@@Dagombrecher Well the main problem with AK is just many aren't used with how their gacha works. Most gacha players are so used to 50/50 pity system carrying over rather than saving hard 120 pulls for guarantee, in the end both mechanic work the same the only difference is that pity 50/50 gacha will let you try your luck whether you can get the X char. you like or don't like simply pulling for META. If you don't win sucks, but given it carries over, well its not so bad, while for arknights you really need to plan your pulls, we don't know hows the meta,powercreep etc is going to be given its a different gameplay from OG AK, its more bit ARPG plus 3 man team. Looking at it again, its not so bad as long as you have patience to save. (I played OG AK but quitted halfway, so forgot how their gacha worked but reading the comments its not bad, it all depend on the resources of the pulls they give etc)
@@haruusami1831I really wish we didn't defend the system when it could be better. The 120 garuntee and allowing the characters to go into the standard pool is literally only a net positive for everyone.
It's so funny when Saintontas tries to talk about some things having absolutely no idea how they work. Instead of talking to various content creators who got on this CBT, he just shot a video with his unreasonable whining, where he tries to tell his audience about the greedy gacha system, about which he has no actual idea. All he knows is the information from gachagaming sub. The one he recently blamed for spreading incomplete information or misinformation. But I guess since it's not about Wuwa, you can trust it. Typical double standards from clown wuwa cc. It feels like these people's brains just shut down for something other than wuwa-glazing.
Notice how it's all these streamer whales with infinite money complaining that Endfield doesn't let them pull for dupes or mindlessly throw pulls at the banner just for fun (which Saintontas calls "flexibility"). I'D RATHER HAVE NO DUPES AND LESS FLEXIBILITY IF IT MEANS HAVING A PITY THAT IS 40 ROLLS CHEAPER.
To me, OG Arknights was more about working with what you get and not pulling because you must, and the dupes have never really been important imo. I hope that Endfield continues on with this trend as it's more fun to me. If that's the case, I'm pretty much okay with gacha like that. However, I agree that pity not caring over is pretty rough. Like, I never really save because I'd better got at least something regularly rather than saved and then got just one thing, even if it was good.
God saintontas is ridiculous. Yes, I agree that the 120 guarantee not carrying over is bad. But, my god, why are we acting like the act of saving pulls is a negative. I'm sorry but if you're a f2p player and you see that you don't have 120 pulls yet you still pulled anyway. You getting screwed over is entirely your fault. For whales, the more they pull for the character dupes, the more chances they have of getting the signature weapon, unlike wuwa and the hoyo games, where you have to spend for max constellation characters AND max refinement weapons. The dupes in Endfield don't even upgrade the character by a significant amount. Edit: (Copy and pasted from my comment in saintontas' video) I think people are too negative about the gacha system. The only problem I see is the 120 guarantee not carrying over. Other than that, the gacha is actually significantly better than wuwa and the hoyo games. Obviously, you would want to save 120 pulls for each banner. Assuming the worst luck, you would get 2 6 stars, 12 5 stars, and 106 4 stars. IMPORTANT: You only get characters in the character banner. You get Arsenal Tickets by pulling characters so: 2 6 stars × 1500 = 3000 12 5 stars × 500 = 6000 106 4 stars × 50 = 5300 That's a total of 14,300 Arsenal Tickets The weapon banner costs 2980 for a ten pull, so 14,300 ÷ 2980 = ~4.8 ten pulls. the rate of getting a 6 star weapon is 4%, that's a 1 in 25 chance of getting a 6 star weapon and you are guaranteed 1 6 star every 4th ten pull and 1 5 star every ten pull. IMPORTANT: You can only get weapons in the weapon banner. This means that just by saving for the rate up 6 star (120 pulls), assuming the worst luck, you can get: 2 6 star characters 12 5 star characters 106 4 star characters 1 6 star weapon 4 5 star weapons 35 4 star weapons As a f2p player, I don't about you but this is significantly better than genshin, hsr, and wuwa where I have close to 0% chance of getting the signature weapon for the character I'm pulling for. For the duplicates, I've seen some of the upgrades and all I can say is that the dupes don't upgrade the character/weapon by a lot. If genshin, hsr, wuwa dupes upgrade a character/weapon by like 200%, endfield dupes upgrades a character/weapon by like 50%. This is really good since the upgrades aren't so significant that you would be missing out on a lot of damage potential but significant enough that those who want dupes would still get an advantage, just like how dupes in OG Arknights are only useful in super high difficulty content that DON'T GIVE REWARDS (620+ points in Contingency Contact). I would also like to say that we don't even know the full extent of the gacha system. Will rate up characters be added in the standard pool after their banner ends just like in OG Arknights?(answered) How many pulls can you get per patch? Will there be limited characters just like in OG Arknights? If there's skins that will be added, will they cost Origeometry or real money? In any case, the only complaint I have so far is the 120 guarantee not carrying over. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Edit 2: Alright, I'll admit my mistake here. I watched saintontas' video, got heated, watched like 4 minutes of this video, acted like a shill and ended up making a comment without even hearing out what he says in the entire video. To apologize, I'm gonna address some important stuff he says here. 1. "The 120 guarantee not carrying over is player-unfriendly". I agree but calling it f2p unfriendly is ridiculous when all they have to do is save 120 pulls. Once you pull, you'll get a ridiculous amount of characters and weapons, that you'll most likely max out the potentials (constellations) for all 4 stars and maybe miss out on 1 or 2 potentials for each 5 star, whilst getting the rate up character and a pretty good chance to get their signature weapon when other games don't even give you a chance. 2. "The game disincentivizes whales from getting dupes which is bad for the company". The way OG Arknights handled this is by selling packs that gives convenience to players. Like giving them mats to max out your recently obtained rate up. Kinda like how it's not the printers that makes a profit for companies, it's the ink. And another thing, whales will whale regardless of the gacha system specially if they love the game. Also, in Arknights, dupes DO matter but ONLY in super hardcore content where even the most minimal stat upgrade is significant enough to change everything, this is fine because that type of content doesn't give any rewards, it's only for flexing. I assume Endfield will follow a similar model. 3. "If you miscalculated your pulls, what are you supposed to do". First of all, skill issue. Second, it seems like the characters are going to be non limited, meaning players will have a chance of losing the 50/50 to the previous rate up. In fact, the Laevatain banner, has Yvonne in it as an off banner even though she's the next rate up after Laevatain. I'm going to assume that Endfield will follow the usual 1 month per patch and that there's going to be two banners per patch. This means that the Phase 2 rate up will be an offbanner for the Phase 1 character and then the Phase 1 character will be an offbanner for Phase 2. Of course, the offbanner will also include previous rate ups. So the character that you missed might spook you in future pulls. Also, OG Arknights gives you the option of buying non limiteds with the certificates (starglitter) that you get from pulling. If Endfield does this also, then even if you miscalculated, your account won't suffer too heavy of a setback. 4. They don't talk about this so I'll just say this. You get 40 pulls from JUST dailies, all we need to know now is rewards for events and other free stuff they'll give. You also get 5k Arsenal Tickets weekly from the roguelike gamemode (It costs 2980 Arsenal Tickets to do a ten pull in the weapon banner) 5. Ask if you have any more questions. I'll try to answer them. Most of the complaints are from people unfamiliar with Arknights so naturally aren't as trusting and informed.
"just dont be greedy and stupid". just save. just plan better. just want a new character and have not enough pulls and be forced to spend . holy the dick riding of the company and player blaming is insane.
wait till u see there are back to back 3 banners and all 3 characters having synergy with each other.. but u can only pull one with saving while on other u cant even try ur luck.. even worse lets say the banner ur gonna pull has the character u want.. but its best in slot support 4 star is in next banner.. and that next banner which has 5 star which u absolutely dont want.. u either have to waste bunch of pulls to try and get it.. which wont get carried for next pity for banner u wanted.. even worse.. lets say u ddnt even get that 4 star.. u wasted bunch of pulls for literally nothing.. this whole 120 pity system looks a lot friendly on surface.. especially for f2p.. but its absolutely not it.. atleast on carry over 5050 u always had next banner guaranteed and u could still try here and there ur luck with few pulls.. this system dont offer that..
@@sarcastoon677 3 banners? what kind of horrible gachas have you played? at least in OG arknights is 1 new character every 3 weeks (more-less) and other 2 are rerun/the standard banner AND endfield seems like it is following OG arknights so... your comment has no basis.
@@lodsup its not hard to have self-control and plan your pulls accordingly. Literally the definition of stupid if you know how the banner works and still decide to pull without having guaranteed.
i don't need a 120 guaranteed if i win 50/50 at 10 pull, because then i can saved up my pull for next banner. also you don't lose your guaranteed if you win 50/50 at say 110 pull that's basically a free copy if you want it
I think the dodge complaint is kinda dumb imo, both wuwa and genshin have stamina bars that are very small when you start and you increase them by exploring, is she trying to tell mr. Wuwa glazer that wuwa sucks?does she want to start a fight?😂 Jokes aside, as for the combat system as far as i saw she is complaining thatyou need electric to unlock the combo for avyewnwa but fails to mention she is a electro character ,you dont need another one to trigger the combo , as far as i saw from other CCs , it is pretty easy to trigger multiple combos, and i dont see the bad side of having to make a team that sinergizes, its the same with wuwa,star rail,zzz, genshin etc
She only electrifies on ult. you should not use her skill UNLESS you’ve already activated her combo - which requires you to use a finisher on someone who is already electrified. Aka using perlica skill on an enemy >> avye finisher > combo The reason why you don’t use her skill unless it’s a combo is because her skill retrieves her lances she has ALSREADY thrown down (which she does after the combo) Please don’t comment about things you don’t know
@captaincabinetz my bad then, although she can do it by herself with the ult and then continue to proc it by using combo after retrieval, i can understand the beginning of the fight could be wonky if you dont have said ult already charged. Having another electric applier would help her a lot but i still stand by my other point that having synergies isnt a bad thing.
Somebody give me 1 valid reason why they need pity to carry over. If you get the character that you want, the pity resets to 0 and there is nothing to carry over.
If you were to want two characters back to back, you could really only go for one. If you have a lot of pulls but don't get the desired character it's basically sunk cost fallacy and you don't have any pulls for the next carry over. I can't tell you the amount of times I've watched Arknights gacha pull videos and they only get the character at 120-300 pulls. Honestly think they should save the non garuntee for true limited banners instead.
The only concern i have is the rewards we get what if every patch we can only get 30 pulls from grinding so we gotta skip 2 or 3 banners to save up a 120 guaranteed
I disagree that whales are necessary. Arknights has done fine... I feel you make up the money you lose from whales by just.... Having more players that are happy.
Like to just add that unlike other really bad gacha systems *cough* hoyo wuwa *cough* the characters arent limited just save like how gachas used to be. Counter to his point as well nikke dupes dont really give you much like at all other than the first 3 and thats only if you havent reach 3 star on 5 characters and games doing just fine money wise. They dont need ALL the money making some money is fine
Anyone calling this gacha system bad I can easily discredit, lol. Never seen this male gacha gamer before but according to the comments he’s a Kektone-in-training and I can see it.
The guys an absolute moron and took the crown from Tectone as the most unlikeable CC in the gacha space indisputably. Like sorry, it ain't even funny at this point the guys whole Kuro Super Stan Vs The Entire Gacha Scene gimmick. I have no idea how anybody can take that guy at all seriously. All he seems to do with his life is stream 8 hours a day 7 days a week just seething religiously at Hoyoverse games, CC's, trailers, social media threads, Da Wei what have you and can barely even seem to find the time to over glaze WuWa anymore he's so busy just raging constantly at the never ending news cycle Hoyo games have because they publish like 4 active fairly popular games.
WUWA WEAPON GACHA: Pity at 80 pulls 0.8% to get the banner 5* 99.2% to get nothing ENDFIELD WEAPON GACHA: Pity at 40 pulls and 80 pulls 1% to get the banner 6* (25% of 4% = 1%) 3% to get off-banner 6* (75% of 4% = 3%) 96% to get nothing BONUS: Wuwa weapon uses astrite. Endfield weapon gacha is literally free. ENDFIELD WINS
Would be fine if you're only dicussing about the gacha system and think of ways to make it better but platforming a person who is intentionally spreading misinformation is just not good.
Thing that gate keep me from AK Enfield : - Does this game requires alot of time to keep up with endgame? Building/cosntruction seems takes alot of time, - Seing the needs for specific character todo combos (from watching and commentator of some CBT streamer), this game will requires to pull+build alot of char. I'm comfy with WuWa 1.x char was enough to clear every 2.0 has to offer. Pull character or spend just not mandatory, and do when I feels to
i can say.... Not carry over a pity is REALLY COMMON in gacha system before Genshin, so really just dont be greedy if you are play gacha games, plan correctly. also 120 pull guarantee character and 80 pull guarantee for weapon is generous for gacha system. The only bad system for yes ... the whale. But, last time i play arknight (the normal tower defense one), dupe is REALLY not important. Its just miniscule upgrade stat, so there is no way Arknight character become game changing or become meta when touch the dupe, sure maybe sometime your dupe can be game changing, but its really niche situation and its just for sweaty sweaty gamer. There is no character in Arknight lost their skill, or lost their ability, or even become useless at 1 copy. So there is no reason you need dupe for make your performance better when the different is just so small. People who gacha for dupe in AK is "stupid". But, if whale want whaling, we cant stop them even we said its "useless". If they want to stay at this kind of "arknight" and not try to copy other gacha games like hoyo's games. I think its fine to give just 1 guarantee per banner.
its been a while since i dropped ToF from its first launch week HOLY this banner systems is that exactly ToF banner system that one 80 pity that dont grantee the banner char its a 50/50 and 120 hard pity to grantee the char and goes away once you get 1 coppy of it. Well from all the banner systems in an open world gatcha game they had to take that one really AK Endfield
Pity does carried no (the 80 pity the 120 guaranteed that is not), so isnt that not that different from wuwa pity either 70 or 80 pull standard for 50/50?
yeah the only difference is there is no guarantee after losing 50/50 BUT that not a problem since new characters are always available after their banner ends
I still personally prefer pity transfer to happen for the sole reason for my god awful luck.just with the current arknights event after more than 60 pulls i got gnosis, whos not even from the banner so i have to likely pull another 60 for the next 6 star which is not even guaranteed to be the one i want. Of course just like arknights most of the 6 star ops are going to likely be put into the standard pool but in any case i ever want them theres never going to be a guarantee ill ever get them. If they are willing to make a banner that doesn't transfer pity i think they should reserve it to a special banner where the operator wont be put into the standard pool like the anni,summer and cn events.
40 pulls a week is not going to stay in the full release; that's most definitely going to be adjusted to be lower. If it stayed that way, they would lose money; this is only a CBT benefit.
I can see the vision that Saint is saying this is a bad gacha system, but honestly I disagree on some of the takes. Like I remember clearly a lot of gacha cc were complaining on how genshin and some gacha games have these characters but their not even 100% their power output. Like you need multiple dupes or even one single dupe for the character to be good or convient. After spending hundreds of dollars, meanwhile arknights is way better with not needing dupes. This in itself is free to play friendly. Captain you make a good point on this part with not needing dupes cause from what ive seen from other content creators we dont need dupes for 6stars, but we do get a luxurious amount of dupes for our 4 or 5 star characters for these pulls as we dont get weapons for our pulls. Another thing I disagree with saint is that he says that the devs are messing themselves up with not getting revenue with this system, but in the sales for gacha games Arknights has repeatedly made millions on dollars. We talking about top 30 or 25 maybe even higher depending on the patches. This is simply proof that Arknights EF has what it takes to make the money, especially when arknights a niche game as it is already makes millions on its own, now imagine arknights but in this type of game. Things that I agree with Saint is that he does make a good point that there isnt any harm for the devs to implement gurantee pity for every 120 pulls for whales, or even free to play friendly players that saved up for this character for their dupes for some reason. They should bring the pity 120 gurantee for sure. The arknights ef should also allow the pity gurantee to go over to the next banner or patch. This just would be nicer and more reasonable. The one thing that arknights ef has over all the other gacha games is that they get only characters for their pulls instead of these dog water weapons that many have no use for. This meaning we have a higher chance of getting dupes and collecting our characters to their "potential". We are also able to pull and focus getting 6 star characters with our premium currency while building up currency for the weapon. In a sense I see this is very good to all gacha games imo. Overall I can agree and disagree with the takes that Saint has made. Really liked this video from the two of you guys! Appreciate for the takes and content for us to watch boss.
For me as f2p some times if I am not sure if I want the character I pull like 40 pulls if I did get a 5 star that's amazing if not I just stop and wait for the banner that I want knowing that I need just 40 and btw in wuwa no one get to 80 everyone gets a 5 star around 65-70 pity so it's like 130 to guarantee ❤and the rate for a 5 star is 0.8 which is way better and let's not forget about the doubs on the shop
I've had countless of clueless F2P friends that disliked the similar 120pull guarantee that ToF had. But if you were wise to save, the rates are about the same. Since in Hoyo games, the average pity count players obtain 5* characters is at 50-60 pity. Which equates to around 120 pulls in total, if their next guaranteed 5* drops on "soft pity" range.
@@SieglindeVivid I don't know how you run out of content that fast with a brand new region launch and major version update, but considering it seems like they barely even play the game much anyway maybe that's not the issue. The issue is they run out of content from the game to farm/react to probably.
@@SieglindeVivid Yeah unfortunately it's looking like Phase 2.0 is gonna be pretty dry in comparison to the first week or so of the patch so I doubt they let up any time soon. Probably gonna just end up rehashing the same topics they already have several times for the next month or so like HSR Powercreep and Natlan Sucks while waiting for 2.1 to start. Obviously just you know...not making the same bullshit drama react videos to one another every single day isn't an option for WuWa CCs since they don't actually seem to care all that much about the actual game enough to even be there for the Roccia banner update and short albeit sweet story quest that can literally be done in an hour.
@@HardymanK Other than patch notes and characters those are the only content I see from the popular CCs so yah dry content with lots of drama and glazing. Also "devs listen" the most important content for Wuwa. Imo Wuwa contents CCs are boring since they seem to copy each other glaze Wuwa and bash Hoyo.
I'm surprised how nobody is talking about the weapon banner, from what I understand you can get the currency for weapon banner only from the pulling on the character banner. But what happens if you get lucky on the character banner? Let's say you get it in 10 - 30 pulls, how do you get the currency for the weapon? Basically they force u to keep pulling from what I understand no? That is horrible.
@@taldrith2208 I don't play the game. I just saw all the complaints about the pitty from this videos and understood that you only can get the currency for the weapon by pulling on characters banner. But if they give you enough for a weapon pitty then that's a win. If is enough.
@@CMA-90game is not even released. See this is why alot of these doomposting sfuff immediatly jump on how bad the system is when they doesnt even know the pull income you can get You can farm 5k weapon currency per week from the roguelike game modes, thats about ~67 weapon pull per month. The currency you get from pulling character are just extra
Also to those who will say FGO with trash gacha system still live for 9 years... Sit down here... I have played Arknights and FGO for 3 years and will say it here... FGO => 99% off all servants are useless. Why would you want everything? That's why the gacha rate can be trash! Arknights => Majority of units are needed for the Tower Defense. There's no carry pity nor hard pity. But eventually, all those units will be in the game. Arknights Endfield => Also to answer about if the game will give you dupes if you win 50/50? Yes, it is Saintotas... You can't guarantee dupes... KyoStinV even doubles down on this. Watch his video and most of the staff Saintotas mention is a real thing. Also, Hard Pity always resets every banner which Saintotas got it correct too. KyoStinV also said this gacha system is good for F2P but it will punish the whale. He's a CBT too and every CBT player said the same thing too. Pity carries over? => Mixed or neutral but there's the solution by saving. Hard pity? => Overwhelming Negative even from KyoStinV or many Arknights CCs. Not because it's bad for players but it's bad for game dev to milk whale. TBH I will be real here. Why are we so negative over some people who just said the fact of the banner system and gave their opinion. This is just their opinion and every CBT CCs already has a negative view of the hard pity system. It is the only bad thing. Edit Edit 2 - UA-cam please don't delete this randomly lol
Ayo, friends from arknights be courteous and polite please. I am a main arknights player too and in fact is quite a fnatic one that even buys Union Arena Amiya and Frostnova parallel 3 star just for collection ^_^ Please, no fight! Please discuss objectively as what Amiya would have done. PEACE!
im not hating on either of you but hypergryph stated also that they arent just worried bout making money, if they were they scrap the arknights gacha system because that is basically the samething
If that happened, it'll be way too good. Soft pity carries but if hard pity also carries you would get so many 6 stars itll be ridiculous. I highly doubt it'll change but as of rn, i feel people will be happy with it once it released officially.
@@lodsup120 is not eternity dude. When dupes dont even matter (as we know of), just get the character and save. It's only an issue if you just spend your currency every banner, which is unwise since you arent pulling for a character, just for the gacha itch. 120 is not a lot when soft pity is 80. Its not bad yall just want to get every character whilst be f2p.
Okay, these comments are an unnecessary hate filled bloodbath. not good.
I'm clearly approaching this with the take to see a better side of this gacha system, I am just having a DISCUSSION with Saint, and we're having a reasonable conversation.
A lot of the Arknights community is up in a hate fuelled rant against him, just because he's giving an unfavourable take. How about we approach this with retorts and have intelligent comments, than to just reduce to hate posting.
I've been warned the Arknights community is defensive and hateful towards critique, and I HOPE this isn't the case here and actually, we can have reasonable conversations.
Im actually enjoying the game, let's be objective. Pity carry over is important and a feature that would make this the BEST system out there. We all agree. Let's conclude with that.
I tried being objective about what he said but he just sounded like someone who played genshin too much wanting the gacha to be an exact copy of that instead of trying to figure out what's going on. if genshin didn't exist and AKE was the one that came out back then, people by now would be way more careful with their pulls instead of doing singles everytime they get 160 primos, which is literally making the player feel ok to not be patient when it comes to this. that's most predatory part I've seen of the gacha system in genshin in general. I've played AK for 5 years at this point and I save up long before a limited banner comes up. most of the banners are non limited and worse case scenario you can literally buy the character from the shop.
@@manjiste1239 All of this is fine and fair. Everything Saint said to improve the system would objectively, just make it better overall. Lack of pity carry over is just a universal turn off.
is not that we are trying to rant about him or angry about him , is the fact that his video is spreading misinformation and doesn't try to do more research more on the game .
he learn all that from a single reddit post and conclude that the gacha system is WORSE than Genshin . so we try explain to other that haven't try the OG arknights yet to know that the gacha is fair and why .
@ It would make it better. but how far do you think they should improve it tho? since if you really want to improve the gacha experience, the solution would be to remove it entirely lol. what I meant is he isn't really considering everything but being picky about certain stuff to unfairly compare it to something that is actually worse
I mean him calling it the worst system in gacha gaming is objectively false which is why so many people are calling him out on it. The fact is that there are pros and cons to this system but he is so vehemently against this system that he hyper fixates on the cons.
Its so ironic the fact that as a f2p for 4 years in arknights I have more 6 stars than genshin and hsr combine
I've been a daily pass player in AK for eight months now and have 33 6*s on my account, and even a few random pots on some of them (I've never pulled for pots in AK). I started HSR and ZZZ within a few weeks of that and have nine 5*s in zzz (two are standard banner characters and near useless) and eight 5*s in HSR (two are standard banner characters and near useless). I've been playing all three games, and they each are very different and scratch a different gaming itch, but objectively I've come out way ahead on my AK account. The number of pulls I get in all three games is similar, but AK is a 6* every 34 pulls on average and HSR/ZZZ it's every 63 pulls on average. Plus I've gotten six 6*s in AK from the shop and recruitment systems and four as welfare. I missed Dr. Ratio in HSR, but did just get Harumasa in ZZZ. I was hoping we'd see another 5* welfare in HSR with 3.0 but not looking like it.
Why everyone didn't realize that after the banner end character rate up is gonna be on rate off pull as a standard Character
Because most mainstream gacha games never update their standard banners unless it's lower rarity units
so? so what? do i have to rely on a spook to get what i want?
Because it's not explained in the game and they don't play arknights og
2+ years with Genshin - no Jean, HSR day 1 player - no Yanqing, WuWa C6 Encore - no furry guy :) so yeah good luck with getting standard char u want...
@@justdome354You can buy the Standard characters with certs.
The only good point that saint makes is that barely reaching 120 pity and not getting the character id gonna hurt for casual players. But then again he is acting like its completely wasted which it literally isnt. It will literally carry over to the next 80 pity. Also losing 5050 in this game is alot better than losing 5050 in wuwa, hsr or genshin since there are no limited characters.
Did some crunching.
400 oroberyl (character gacha currency) from daily missions
800 oroberyl from weekly dungeon mode
5000 arsenal tickets (weapon gacha currency) from weekly dungeon mode.
Assuming each version is 6 weeks like other games: every version you get 43 character pulls and 100 weapon pulls for free before even accounting for daily pass/events/battle pass/one-time permanent content stuff. Obviously the income is subject to change but compared to HSR from similar sources (daily mission plus weekly SU/DU) only gives about 24 pulls for either banner.
Does this factor in the weekly pulls you get from the ship trader for outpost currency? Just unlocked it in the beta, looks like it resets every week and I've gotten 3 pulls out of that so far.
Reminder that Hypergryph tried to do a predatory move with Chen Alter then got tied up, was held at gunpoint and beaten up by the community that they backtracked on that move. Trust me that if the AK community sees a greedy move, they won't eat it up like a certain other game's community.
Yeah, Ch'en Alter release was a big mess... only for them to release Wis'Adel a couple years later, and barely anyone complained. So, don't held your hopes high that community will stand for itself.
@meltup Wis'adel wasn't really a problem, It made sense cause it tied with the story and wasn't out of the blue, her being broken is completely unexpected but what can you do really, besides if you really hate it that she just destroys everything, then just don't use her. That's pretty much what I do and only used her if i want to turn off my brain and unga bunga my way through a stage.
Ch'en alter on the other hand was just out of the blue, the 2D Art was horrendous and looked rushed as hell which kinda indicated that they were doing it just to milk the players and making her kit blatantly broken, Literally made no sense why a chick with 2 water blasters can do more damage to a heavily armored enemy than a character who has an ability that can nuke or something.
@@meltupnah.
Chalter was lazy, dumb, op and didn't even look good. Ch'en, of all people, in a bikini with a water gun? Why even, other than for fanservice? Her E2 was just straight up blatant, not mention it looked weird. It didn't fit with the character and of course she had to be broken so people would want her more.
Walter represents character growth, is in line with the story, looks alright, not much fanservice... Aaand she's the most broken operator ever.
Still, the two of them are not comparable. Not in a fair way, anyway.
@@meltup Let's not forget that Wiz'adel is a character that Low Light himself has been working on since long before the game existed. So it doesn't surprise me that he gave her a strong kit because of the love he has for her and the importance of her role in the main story... Ch'en, for her part, i would like to see her given a different version that resonates more with her story.... like Wiz'adel...
Chalter came out of nowhere
All of us were expecting it to be a skin, not an very cash grab alter
The other summer havent been as bad since
At least theres now a lore basis for most of them
i play both arknights and wuwa, and endfield's gacha system is essentially the same as og arknight's system with some minor tweeks. but the endfield's rate up banner never said that the character is limited, I can believe this is true because the og arknights only have limited character for special occasions such as aniverseries, this means you can lose a 50/50 but actually still get a character you want that wasn't on banner. i like this system over the wuwa system because this means I can eventually get all the characters available and only have to go hard on the limited banners when they eventually come out which is very free to play friendly. And being able to pull on weapon banners just as by products of character banner is great for me because i don't want to use my pulls on weapons when characters are so much more important to me.
I didnt play original Arknights but expected exactly this. I don't understand why people complaining. Yes that 120 doesn't carry to next banner but it also mean you can lose 50/50 and get the character you wanted previous banner. Losing is no more actually losing which is very cool. Not like genshin and wuwa where losing 50/50 means you got character you will never use.
Wait for ½ and full year anniversary banners...
Descendants of Nian and dusk family are probably in endfield
@@Ayane690PwnJitsu nian and dusk could be in Enfield
@@Ayane690PwnJitsu i look forward more for Nearl descendants tbh
every of them only want the fail safe guarantee system and ignore EVERY SINGLE THING around the gacha system, smh...
did they really have no brain cell?
youtubers have no statistical-probabilistic knowledge so..
EN can't read and don't have brain cell bro
SMH indeed.. It's actual brain rot. This WUWA vs Hoyo thing is brain rotting their communities.
Their very reason to exisst is milking the drama they created themselves for income, by that very definition its impossible to ever rate or critizise anything fairly. I don't know why people listnen to them as if their opinion is gospel in the first place, but I guess "I'm actually pretty happy, nothing bad to say" just doesn't generate any interest.
Gacha gamers literally have no brain cells, only gamba, gamba, gamab, and people wonder why FGO taught me to be an extreme currency hoarder that rolls maybe twice a year, when GSSRs happen, because I know how much it takes to get what you want, and I have extreme self-control, unlike most people in the gacha CC community who are only rolling for "content".
Saintontas is really really dumb because he thinks the ability to "mindlessly throw rolls at the banner just for fun" is more important than having a guarantee that is 40 rolls cheaper than 160.
But what if we want the 4 & 5 stars in a banner but not the 6 star
Building pity is stupid, its the number one rule on what to do as a f2p. Players have the information that they have 120 guarantee before they pull, if you don't have 120 pulls saved up and you decide to pull, thats on you buddy, not the game. Saint is scared of a new system, a system that has worked for AK for years.
The AK community's bullshit radar is second to none, they'd be the first to call it out.
Endfield's gacha is honestly pretty damn forgiving, same as the OG game.
Like, what is bro on about?
bro is complaining about hypothetical situations
Bro is mad that in made up scenario where you pull on every banner you can lose 50/50 20 times in a row and never get the character
My cave is nice and warm, why should I build a house, that's your mentality right now, god forbid we make things better
@@madalinradion More yapping about nothing just to say something. If you don't know anything, how about you just keep quiet?
And your definition of better means worse for everyone else aka sane, reasonable people who don't suffer from brainrot. Bluepilled sheep gobbling up all the drama slop rotting your brains.
People saw they can't give in to their gambling addiction and were done.
That's it, that's the whole problem summarized, unbelievable
no, the problem is not everyone will read the fine print in the gacha system. So a casual guy can be throwing pulls at a banner forever and not get anything ever
@@yoimiyasimping1054 So instead of gacha addiction, its reading issue now?
@@CoffeeCatto honestly that's just a normal problem in gacha communities
@@yoimiyasimping1054 then its just these people are used with hoyos gacha model
Sorry to say this, but He doesn't know about the gacha system in any gahca game, just playing from big gacha companies like Kurogames and Mihoyo.
First, 120 pulls are the worst scenario of your gacha in Endfield not you have to 8:25. If you want to combine all pity you need and compare it to Genshin, you need 180 pulls for a Character and weapon. In Endfield you can pull weapons with wasted pulls currency from your character the same system as Blue Archive, .it's basically "If you suck at your character's pull, you can get more weapon with it"It'ss pretty fair to me.
Second, you don't need another dupe of a character because it's not a big thing, they increase character stats but didn't change the character skills. Unlike Genshin, the dupe will become a game-changer in the game, you might depend on your dupe if you want to build a character because it can change certain skill effects, that's a huge deal, another pity you need to collect for building character in character banner. Same deal as PGR, PGR is a good pity but has a terrible impact, you get an S character but you need to increase it beyond that either you farm it or gacha it and if you choose to farm it, that's a long road for single character. You also don't need to farm a perfect artifact for your character build, so you don't waste your time
Third, this game is currently in Beta test, don't be harsh on the Gacha system, All Arknight community also demands the Pity Carry-over because their OG has the same system. This issue is just overshadowing the overall performance of the game. This game even offers a lot more than the current big gacha to this day like bringing Xenoblade gameplay. Called this game sucks, greedy and etc while overlooks the gameplay is not fair at all when you can play this game freely without gacha-wall or power check because you don't have enough character dupes and artifact build.
u know there's no point waching them, cuz they just drama farming here, i bet they don't even play the OG games
Totally agree. As AK's player from first release. I has never need extra dupe for AK's character because it doesn't change much or need to have. So you only need keep 120 pulls for character you need and that done.
@@luffman4587 honestly I'm searching for the flaw in Arknight Endfield, really want to see how HG would handle it in the future. Turn out he was just yapping about the Gacha system for over 20 minutes on an obvious problem that most people already know it, pity carries over. This is hilarious to watch because this is a good example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
@ well, i agree,
Also coincidentally that Dunning-Kruger effect, in gacha games mostly happen around someone that thinking of himself a hero that wanted to save the gacha community
@@luffman4587 so true, also you were right that this channel is milking the AK community with drama, time shadowban this channel
Good ones:
1. Dupes are not a big deal in AK indeed
2. 80pull 50/50 character pity will carry over (NOT THE CHARACTER RATEUP GUARANTEE PITY)
3. Endfield's Laevatain Banner is NOT LIMITED. when her banner expires, she can show on future regular pulls
4. AK's economy is generous enough to save for pity.
5. Weapon pulls wouldnt cost actual money. Weapon pull currency are a by product of your Character pulls and generously farmable in Roguelike Game mode
6. Weapon rates: Endfield is 4.0% WUWA is 0.8% Genshin is 0.7% How is Endfield the worst? People have counter arguments here but it being worse to Genshin's is just, discombobulating...
7. Featured weapon is guaranteed at 80th pull same as WUWA anyways. How is Endfield any worse than WUWA? This is literally the same guys, Why is WUWA so mad about this, It's the same if not arguably better because of the 4.0% rate up for 6* weapons before hitting rate up guaranteed pity. I could be wrong about some technicalities here but I've been going back and forth with WUWA and Endfields system, They are the same to me unless I'm actually starting to lose it. Are we really sure that this is the "Worst gacha in all of gacha"? because if so, WUWA is not far off lol..
Bad ones;
1. 120 guaranteed featured character pity is One time per banner.
2. 120 guaranteed featured character pity will not carry over
3. Featured weapon chances 25/75 upon 6* rainbow spark.
4. Character GUARANTEED pity: Endfield is 120
Saintontas: "Endfield is the worst gacha system ever, I owe Mihoyo an apology"
What do you mean wuwa pity 160
Weapon banner rates are actually way better than in both wuwa and genshin
1. You can farm a little less over 50 weapon pulls per month from a weekly mode, in wuwa and genshin you convert gacha currency to pulls as you would with character pulls
2. 4% gacha rate for ssr with 25/75 for limited weapon. Wuwa has 0.8% and a 50/50 for the limited weapon
Which just means endfield weapon gacha has 1% limited weapon rate and 3% standard ssr rate. While wuwa has actually 0.4% limited weapon rates
People have been brainwashed by these modern gacha its honestly funny
@@sath43wuwa guaranteed pity is 160. 180 for genshin
@@sath43 That is my bad. I corrected it.
How is 120 pulls to guarantee a rate up character a con ? It's 180 for Hoyo, 160 for Wuwa.
Also, we're gonna get premium currency by pulling on the character banner, so we're not splitting currency between characters and weapons.
Honestly Endfield's gacha system seems pretty good, it all depends on the income currency.
If they pull an Arknights and reintegrate the free yellow currency (forgot the name) that can be either used to gain more gacha pulls or be spent on skins, this would be great.
I think it should be noted that most characters will be in the standard banner in this game, so losing a 50/50 won't be as punishing as it is in other games.
so why do i have to rely on getting spooked from an ever growing pool to get what i want and have my pulls wasted? its a greedy mechanic meant to fomo and trap players into spending. why the hell are you all defending this ?
Is the standard banner random or allow you to choose? Cause if it's random it will become pointless as they release a lot of characters.
@Zer0Perplexity the rate up banners (like the laevatain one) are the standard banners as far as I'm aware
@@Zer0Perplexity It's random, but if there are any specific characters you don't get with off-rolling, you can buy them guaranteed with certificates.
“Do I want to be served cat or dog food” kind of argument
All of the people who played the original are saying this new one is way more generous than the old one
They clearly used their money to actually develop a proper game instead of whatever the fuck hoyo does with their billions
I’ll wait until it comes out and give it a chance
It seems complaint mostly come from people who play mainstream gacha and never play OG arknight, keep in mind like in og arknight you dont need copy or dupe, 1 copy or full pot not going to give character gazillion dmg, copy in this arknight is meaningless, the only purpose getting pot is just for flex you favourite character
And in the endgame reward such as the weekly rogue like mode you can make 20 pulls per week reset, not to mention weekly quest and also dailies and also posible other content because endfield still follow og arknight where you can farm everything from content from the game
OG AK has indoctrinated me into saving pulls for the banners i really REALLY want instead of building pity lmfao and it pays off every time
@@AthenaChan modern gacha players rly cant stop their gambling addiction and make as much excuses as possible to justify pulling anytime they get 1 pull 🤣🤣🤣
Cant wait to 1-7 in Endfield
The value per pull with this system is pretty good to me. Most of the people who got really mad & call it the worst system ever are just so used to extreme FOMO marketing which encourages impulse pulling (dmg type weakness/advantage + dungeon rotations being the biggest offenders in gacha games).
Plus, no other gacha can be the worst when a system like HI3 gacha exists (I've only played part 1 HI3).
Some players are used to impulse pulling on og AK because of the 2% drop rate but for a below 1% gacha it's really useless to pull unless you can hit hard pity.
Also from what the combat system looks like in beta, the (combat) pull incentive will be around combat skill triggers.
Even some of the Meta characters are optional to the point you don't need to pull them, at least from my experience playing OG Arknigths.
I've been assuming that Arknights gets their revenue from fashion skins and those who wants pot6 on their characters.
I sure hope these people don't convince the company to implement the hoyo system over this objectively better one.
"Randomly throw pulls" also known as "Feeding my Impulses" my man is addicted to getting scammed. Legit abuse victim mentality out here.
This is an unnatural amount of hate for something that he and will never touch ever. Like HG just wiped his family or something.
Puts up a ragebait title and get raging comments. What a surprise!!
An example in the worst case in Genshin, the character is taken out with 160 shots. And the weapon with another 160 is 320 in the worst case.
So why would it be difficult to save 120 shots in Arknights Endfield XD
.They are overcome by gambling addiction
Tbh when I do gacha I dont want to waste on rolls when the end screen I get when doing a 10 pull is 1 charcter and 9 garbage weapons ,this guy didnt realize that the banners are charcters only which to me is better thats one of the reasons i dropped GFL2 if wanna get a weapon i would just buy or gacha on a separate gacha or shop which is the thing Endfield is doing but yeah 120 pull guarantee is not really that new even in AK ive seen a lot worse gacha system if HG wants a good feedback carrying over the 120 pity isnt that hard they literally have a survey on the gacha so they already know of its good or bad
Omg it's the Lord AcELord! I'm amazed how much they made better in Endfield's gacha compared to OG: A one-time guarantee at 120 which is the same as AK's collab banners, and those are extremely rare; extra currency after rolling the character gacha that lets you roll on a separate weapon banner AND is also farmable weekly, and a guaranteed 5 star every 10 pull which original AK only did for one 10 pull, which lead to the meme of how people would get the rate up 6* before getting the rate up 5*.
And like OG Arknights, having only characters in the gacha makes it very easy for new players to completely fill out the lowest rarity (but still viable) roster and maybe even maximize their dupes very early in the game.
@AcElord123 I'm a GFL vet, played since release but dropped it due to work and such, catching up on the novel-length story events I missed has been quite a pain but it's fantastic... Anyway, I was super happy for GFL2 but once I saw they adopted the hoyo gacha model I felt like I just got kicked right in the balls. I hate this gacha system, there is truly nothing good about the system and is designed to take as much money as possible from the user. I was really hoping they looked to Nikke on how to do gacha, they rake it in, dupes aren't required, rates are fantastic, banner units get added to standard, and most skins are S tier and where the most of the money comes from. It beats Genshin in revenue without locking character power behind dupes.
I'm still going to play, I'm far to invested in the story not to, but we are a far cry away from the extremely f2p days of GFL.
Ah, yes the guy who never experienced AK EF or even OG AK's gacha... Everyone should listen to him...
You act like all people who experienced it are fine with it. It is shite.
@@khaalmalki4039the reception from Beta testers is drastically different from people who did not.
Most likely because they spent more than 30 seconds reading the banner details (the biggest being that characters in the rate up are *not* limited). Also, comparing with Hoyo games, the only negative thing about AKE is the lack of 120 Guaranteed carrying over, which is like the only valid criticism being given right now.
@@khaalmalki4039 Call it shite then, But Saint claiming it's worse than Genshin? Like how much more proud can you feel about yourself for being so uninformed? jesus.
@ Yeah, he is wrong on that tbf.
@@khaalmalki4039 even AK’s number one rage baiter (who constantly spreads misinfo and trolls), Tectone, had a more objective and clear take on the gacha system.
Absolutely wild work.
I wonder why this hate war had to start. I remembered it clearly when I watched KyostinV the GOAT doing beta testing, there was no drama whatsoever... "yet". And suddenly, the similar situation from wuwa back then, when genshin fandom trashtalk wuwa, somehow appear again (now the object become Endfield).
I have many questions regarding the CC that made this kind of content honestly. Is it necessary? what is the benefit for us and for you? Do you know the risk? Is it worth it? Is your goal to influence us not to play this game/ hate this game (because congratulation, you did a good job)? and many more.
Your channel is by no mean not small. Like it or not, if you make this kind of content, you will instigate the hate war. And before you label me as "toxic vocal minority that had lost brain cell and became dummies", there are things that I agree and disagree. But you need to know that even someone voice slight disagreement, they will be label as vocal minorities who can't accept different perspective. Why? because this kind of content somehow encourage people to join the hate bandwagon and not to support/ boycott the game, which is very effective tho.
Anyway, I hope your channel will always grow though. And maybe try to collab with the beta tester. Ask their perspective, you don't need to agree to them tho, but at least please understand their viewpoint first. Good luck
Dont wanna generalize, but it seems like he has no idea whatsoever how HG runs ingame currency economy, the type of banners employed that gives players the ability to get the units they missing or want to get.
If so, i cant blame how he would be speaking from a point of ignorance.
Actually the 120 guarantee is a smart move to lure/incentivize f2p/light spenders to spend just like how WuWa's weapon banner is a great way to lure/incentivize f2p/light spenders. Guaranteed stuff are always good when it comes to gacha games.
For example WuWa's weapon banner is so good that every astrite that you throw at it counts towards the pity where eventually light spenders could just swipe for a bit and they can get it 100%, and f2p's eventually would be able to save enough to at least guarantee their account a couple of characters with their signature 5* weapons
AK:Endfield's 120 is literally a check point where light spenders and f2p's could target to get the banner character, but here's a question, is there solid proof within the game or statement coming from Hypergryph themselves that the pity count for the 80 hard pity carries over? because if it does? then nice, we could possibly be seeing one of the most f2p friendly gacha systems from the major gacha games but if it doesn't? then oh boy we might be seeing one of the worst systems instead
TBH, this gacha pity system is undoubtedly very good for F2P players and it's not that good for spenders, dolphins, whales, and leviathans suffer greatly with this system if they don't have luck. The issue is that in time whales will most likely stop playing this game faster than other gachas if they are unlucky; rage quit usually trumps sunk cost fallacy. Most people who play gachas won't have issues with the system because they go for 1 copy of the character and 1 copy of the sig weapon, these guys are the F2P and low spenders (people that buy the monthly pass and/or the battle pass). People who want more than 1 copy of a character will suffer a lot. My thoughts on this is that they will change it, it will probably have a guarantee system after the 120 pulls, which will satisfy both sides.
The pity not carrying over is also a big downside, it pretty much makes it so people won't touch certain banners because it's worthless, even if there's anything on the banner that you want that's not the 6-star, you can't touch it, because the pity won't carry over and you need those pulls for the next character that you want. I feel that it's stupid that pity doesn't carry over, they could even limit the pity carry over, something like: you get the featured 6 stars at 120 pulls, however, up to 60-70 pulls carry over to the next banner as starting pity.
Overall, I think they will change some things before the game is properly launched, I mean, that's the purpose of open/closed betas and early access, to get feedback from the community and implement changes based on that feedback.
People doesn't know how arknight gacha work
1. There is no limited character ( yet ) in the game currently , this banner is only RATE UP , is will be in the rate off banner after this is over meaning you still can get her or FUTURE character if you miss them . OG arknight already 5 years old and ONLY got around 19-20 limited character and 3 of them is true limited meaning we might not get them again after that . We got 100+ 6* and 20 of them is limited.
2. People play gacha really can't save for pull ? Is 120 guarantee a 6* rate up character not 160 or 180 . Think smarter before you pull every patch like do you need another damage dealer or tanker or healer
3. Weapon banner suck ? Oh boy let me tell you this if you play the game for over 3 month or 6 , im sure the game will give you shit ton of weapon ticket for you to pull if you play event and other daily weekly mission , the arknight is known for the generous . Stop with the " ONLY KURO IS GOOD , ONLY KURO IS GENEROUS TO US "
Im a day 1 player of arknight and my spending is doesn't even reach 50$ yet and i got about 95% of the character ( 6* 5* 4* 3* ) in the game , i still got over 300 pull after all this
4. Will you be listen to a guy that never play arknight or to a ARKNIGHT COMMUNITY that has been playing the game FOR 5 YEARS without having any issue to the gacha , to the people keep saying the game will be EOS , mind you this is their 3rd game . They make shit ton of collab ( rainbow 6 siege twice , monster hunter , limbus , IRL collab ) , anime and more with this kind of gacha
So i hope you guy who doesn't know shit about the game keep your dirty drama among your hoyo or wuwa and leave the game alone , this is not criticism is just hate and misinformation.
If you reading this and still belike " gacha still suck or no whale eos " then stop , we don't need you here to cry about it for us .
THIS
most of people who complain i see is people that never play arknights before
People like this They're gonna eat their own word when the game already release or get filtered naturally
@@aditradityagreed8067 true most arknight players thing that this gacha system is fairly good. and finally a game where not all new characters are always limited
we might have to gatekeep this game lmao. well, the base building is gonna filter what kind of players that will stay lmao
one thing i'd like to add that you might have forgotten, that the devs play test og arknights with low star ops, like 4* operators. With this mindset in mind, its probably the same situation for endfield
Holy text
They will not change the pity carry over. People could be focusing on a number of other ways to improve the gacha, but they instead focus on the one thing that the debs WILL NOT change.
I hope I'm wrong and the devs will add in guarantee pity carry over, but let's be honest and realistic, they won't. Absolutely they will not.
Improve the 50/50, give more currency, increase the rate. These are all things they could realistically do but barely anyone bring it up.
I don't want to make this comment too long, but I'll just quickly add a few more points:
- dupes aren't important.
- characters aren't limited.
- you ONLY get characters on character banners.
- the weapon banner? Possibly the best one ever. Dunno, I don't like weapon banners. But you'll get 30,000 weapon currency every patch. So, you are guaranteed a 6* of your choice each patch, and then some. And that's not counting leftover currency, currency from pulling on characters, and if you're desperate, converting gacha currency into weapon currency.
As for the combat? Skill issue.
I'm not even trying to be mean. Most players apparently are just now learning what a skill trigger is. People are still learning and discovering how the game works. Chances are, if you're not enjoying the combat, it's because you still don't know what you're doing. SP issues? Cycle between skills, combo skills and ultimates. Use gear. Be more strategic with when you use your skills, don't just spam whenever you can.
Of course, that's not a guarantee, but that's what seems to be the case with most people.
The dodge is weird though. Apparently it's either just difficult, or jank.
I don't know if anybody realize this. But saint is shutting down all actual good things about the Arknights system and I mean everything, the guy is going full "Only a Sith deals in absolutes". He kept shutting down Cabinetz whenever she recognized something that makes the system not that bad. HE ALWAYS have some bullshit reason to really make the system as bad as it can possibly be when it's not that bad in reality.
Dude has a mega case of tunnel visioning on the negative. Here's my advice; watch other CC with actual hands on the beta and listen to their analysis and then make your own judgement on the system. Look for other CC's opinion on the matter. Saint even said he didn't want access to Endfield's beta, that we couldnt be bothered and now he's spewing BS criticism like he actually understands better. This guy. There are more CCs out there covering this gacha system with a more open mindet than Saint's "If it's not copying WUWA, it's a bad system" mindset.
I recommend checking out E-thin's, Kalo Cu, Mr. Pokke or even Tectone's video covering this with actual criticism based on facts. Saintontas is a doomer. As an AK fan for years now, calling the AK gacha system worse than genshin is just not the truth because if it was people would've been up to arms and this is just needlessly insulting
I don't know when was this recorded, but more and more people and CCs are beginning to realize that this Endfield gacha drama is overblown.
Blud won a school cafeteria arguement on wuwa and then thinks he knows all gacha things. Seeing the delusions on the guy is actually really funny to see tbh lmao. Pretty sure the only gacha he played are wuwa and Hoyoverse games, nothing else iirc.
@@Croxiinum It's unbelievable how arrogant he has become. The Endfield gacha is mess and part to blame HG because they didn't word it out in a way a WUWA player or Genshin can understand, actual brain rot. I mean can you imagine how brainrottten these people to thinking that their WUWA/Genshin gacha is the only acceptable standard? insane
@@mcbeefcakes6377 Yeah... Well we can't really do anything about it, they are people who just mainly plays mainstream games and won't try niche games like AK or blue archive and etc. we can only hope that hypergryph listens to the right people (probably should mainly listen to the players that actually plays their game and has already knowledge on how their gacha system works) and so on.
@@Croxiinum Damn straight. Funnily enough, CCs that fall under the same conclusion with Saint's are often the ones who don't have access to the beta.. And it's telling.
just like we did with tectone, arknight communities will gatekeep that mf out of this game
5 year OG arknights player here, im sure many AK fans are passionate which may come off as too defensive but we just love the game. Many even believe it's the best gacha game. I do believe calling him out on it is good. It is not at all the worst gacha system hence why people are mad. Not unreasonable. We all know it needs improving but give it a proper evaluation or at least understand it first.
it's not perfect, but it is fair gacha system, but it could be fairer. 120 pull hard pity guarantee is fair but not carrying isn't. Maybe HG could give 120 as a discount for first time, like how guarateed 5* for first 10pulls, and roll back for 160 for dupes. It will be better since there's no weapon mixed in the main gacha system.
If they think the SP is bad, just wait for our Lord and Savior MYRTLE comes because you know Hypergryph is bringing the dwarf loli to to remake the Banner Vanguards for SP generation, because to this day she is the one broken 4 star in Arknights that even the 6 star version is nowhere as good as her.
Myrtle might be powercreeped multiple times already, she is still the most deployed vanguard in game.
well, she is gonna stops attacking and recovers 14 DP over the skill duration.
There is already one. Snowshine. I just hope they keep her that way on launch.
she is powercreep
there is weekly end game content that nets roughly 20 weapon bannner pulls, and also on character banner pulls(not alot). if anything the gacha system is anti-whale.
also, this the same company that is extremely generous on their players.
sorry, but saintotas doesnt fucking know what he is saying.
Arknights is Simple Pull the Banner you want and try to get lucky Gacha is Gamba you are betting your Luck. Dupes doesn't matter max pot is a flex.
4 and 5 Star here are not useless each of them is unique in their respected roles 4star Snowshine for example she basically block counter all of the charge attacks even bosses and also heals.
Though, I can't blame them when they were introduced to a new system and confused, Probably because they played too much Hoyo and forgot the game they are playing a game is not from Hoyo.
And not to mention Hypergryph, or Gryphpine as they are called for Endfield, is still looking into details if the gacha system works since players are using 4 characters instead of 12-13 characters. It's just that they are so used to other systems like on kuro and hoyo that this is a negative to them in their opinion and/or experience. Maybe we just don't see eye to eye on that.
@@joshhca6403 Yes indeed, As an Arknights player the banner is normal to me but for the Hoyo players it's not. So you were probably right that we don't see eye to eye on that because we play different games that created by different game company.
Also, Most players probably won't matter to them because Endfield is fresh and new and it plays well all of them will try it anyways and just leave when they don't like it. It's still beta everything will settles when it releases.
Quick-scrolled thought the video length and, oh god have mercy, it seems like all 30 minutes is all about gacha system.
Oh no
Still waiting for Saint to retract his missinformation video and actually research what he's talking about.
Saintontas unironically has the most garbage biased opinions against any game that isn't his Wuthering Waves, which is as always to him utterly perfect and devoid of any shortcomings or flaws whatsoever. Why the fuck would anybody not in his circle want to listen to anything he has to say about any other game period?
Frankly at this point why would anybody want to hear from this particular circle about any game that isn't Wuthering Waves as it's all just heavily biased garbage, but especially Saintontas. I'd honestly rather hear takes from Tectone these days as he mostly just blindly hates Genshin, while Saintontas is the absolute definition of a corporate shill circling the wagons for his one true belove company and relentlessly negative and unreasonable about literally anything that is not the one game from the one company.
saintotas is just a rage baiter, he does it with wuwa too
His WuWa takes are bad too though
Ngl, I dunno where the courage came from him to ragebait and being bias all of the time
The gacha system is good in arknights because of how they play test the game themselves.Clearly, capt and saintontas didnt do their research on arknights. As in arknights, you dont need much 6 stars to beat the game as the devs test the game with low star or free to obtain operators to test stages, even the ex, h stages to make sure that its beatable. And if you played arknights, you already know how difficult they are, and the fact that they play test it with these criteria's in mind, mind boggles me, as i struggle with 5 stars, but of course, we have our lord and savior KyoStinV showing us how to do it with low star ops all the time.
So your argument is that it’s good they are screwing us over because we don’t need 6*s anyways? Blink twice if you need help.
Personally I think the AK system is actually REALLY good and this guy is just afraid of change and/or is getting paid to shill for the Genshin gacha system. It kind of comes off as blind hatred because there is one or two things he doesn't like about it so therefore the whole system is garbage but never actually considers the system as a whole and the context it's in. Both systems should be seen from a starting point, 0 pulls, and what is the maximum amount of $ you would have to spend to get the character + weapon. For Genshin, that amount varies wildly, whereas AK you can find a general fixed amount since dupes aren't important.
-You need 500 oroberyls to pull once, you get 400 per day (compared to wuwa and genshin with 160 per 1 pulls, getting 60 per day)
-You only need 120, not 160-180 pulls for getting a guarantee starting from zero pity
-You naturally gain arsenal ticket, the currency for weapon banner, when pulling characters, meaning you don't have to share your oroberyls, the astrite and primogems of endfield, to the weapon banner, and instead only spend it on character banners
-Said arsenal tickets can be acquired on weekly tasks and events, you get 5000 per week, and you need 2940 to do a 10 pull on the weapon banner. Meaning, you don't have to spend more to get a featured 6 star weapon, (not to mention, you don't even have to pull as you can buy 5 and 6 star weapons)
-There's a high likelihood that featured characters will be sent to the standard pool, meaning you can get previously featured characters from losing 50/50 (Source from the survey questions). CHARACTERS ARE NOT LIMITED
-Dupes are insignificant upgrades, meaning you only need 1 copy of a character to function at 100% strength. Unlike in Genshin or GFL2 where you NEED multiple dupes (Although if this changed, and dupes bring huge power spike, then yes I agree this can be the worst gacha system because you no longer get that guarantee at 120 pulls, but if they follow og arknights' principle of dupes being minor upgrades, this is unlikely to happen)
The current design is meant to be f2p, low spender friendly, and less predatory than any hoyo game. Honestly the idea of “banking pity” is a trap and distraction from noticing the bad gacha system and the tons of money you are dropping. It's literally there to fool you into thinking your are gaming the system and coming out ahead. For AK, if you got your character, got your weapon, and you are 70 of 80 from another guarantee then just do the pull. Nothing is wasted and maybe you win the 50/50 for a marginal upgrade. IF you are only 30 in, then don't do it and save your gems for a new banner. The goal is to get 1 of each, not dupes, this isn't hard. His "user error = bad design" argument is bs imo.
25:28 combos, skills, and the base building is really complicated initially and I think most likely people still don't understand it even multiple days in. Team building has been a ton of fun. Especially since the main combat is meant to be supplemental to the base building and defensive elements.
OK listening to her complaints. I think this game's combat may just not be for her. The tight dodge is great! I love how difficult it can be and how tight the combos are. It's a less aggressive game than many other action gacha's and I am really appreciating that as someone who finds the super fast (and often hard to read) attacks in Genshin and Zzz to be boring due to how little strategy there is in the moment to moment gameplay.
First of all, if the system is generous or not it will depend on income.
Secondly, if you assume that 1 pull on WuWa is equal to 1 pull on arknights, the better system is determined by math!
Third, the only objective conclusion to be made is that the system is very restrictive, if you want to optimize your pulls you can't pull without having 120 pulls and if you don't do that you are heavily penalized.
Excuse me? "Whales are very important to the life-cycle of a gacha game."?
Drop those preconceived notions about gacha games because AK:EF isn't a traditional gacha game. If anything, it's the mass of dolphins that keep the OG game running, not the whales. Those that supported their concerts. Those that bought their merch. They're no whales, they're everyday people who can afford a little of AK in their lives.
Eh, why even bother at this point. If you'd like a discussion with me to break down his arguments, just reply here. If not, this discussion is moot and over.
False. Profts is what keeps these free games going. It doesn't matter if it isn't a traditional gacha, it is still a gacha and they make their money the same way.
@@khaalmalki4039its different for Arknights bro. AK's dupe system is not necessary and most people wouldnt try for those. Hoyo games however, rely alot on them hence the whaling. Its that simple. A dolphin can 100% get every banner unit in Arknights not a problem with them functioning as close to its best form. You dont get that in hoyo games where 2 eidolons has over 100% boost in dmg.
@@khaalmalki4039true, but not as greedy as hoyo
Whales don't even bother about this drama or the opinion of others on how to save for pulls. Lol . As long as the game experience is good for them. They just whale anyway.
@@khaalmalki4039 But is the whales going to be the largest spending group tho,
they may be huge, but they are few
Wait until ½ and full year anniversary limited operators or wait until they add a character like wis'adel...
I think people should play the Original Arknights game before they step-in to Endfield just to find a clearer picture of the gacha system.
The game is completely free and gacha system is an improved copy of the original game.
Improved?
I wouldn't say so
It is better in some aspects but worse in others like OG has 2% drop rate for 6* and Endfield has abysmall 0.8%
@@kami761, you should really consider the pool size of both games. OAK has a higher rate due to a massive character pool.
@@ArchettosDrinkingBuddy that does not change the fact that drop rate is worse
@@kami761, but it does though, think of it as like the "Similar Figures of Geometry" where the value may change but regardless of the size and proportion it's still equal.
@@kami761 It does tho, in Arknights one banner can have two 6* while in endfield that would be difficult since it's 3D lol the drop rate does make sense even tho it's pretty hurtful
This system is very similar to Arknights's collab banner system, no OG Arknights fan will ever complain about this because we're already familiar with all the goods this system has for f2p.
In some cases this system is even better than the og Arknights because it has the 80 pull pitt carry over and a 50/50 which Arknights's collab banners don't have the only thing worse here is the rate that has been nerfed by 1.2% for 6 stars.
No one that plays Arknights will have any problem with getting the characters they want. And I don't think that HG will change this system because that's what most people who are gonna religiously play Endfield are used to and understand
I just hope the pull economy isn't stingy with the pulls we get each patch, if its generous than I can just reroll in the beginning to get every character that I want.
That's the other thing that only OG AK and endfield beta testers can understand, the economy is actually generous in Arknight's design.
Saint sure won't know because the guy didnt want access to the beta. And now he shts on the game like he knows best for us lol.
Saint sure loves to spread drama, it seems that's all he does these days
Hypergriph has a design philosophy of giving the player agency over their rolls and their characters. So rather than giving out rolls per patch like other games, they implement a system like OG Arknights, where you can safely farm rolls or even craft them.
You basically get almost 1 pull everyday just from daily mission
@@kariellokwell914 oh okay that sounds great! Thanks for the info!
personally i think endfield 120 guarantee once per banner is better for f2p (its definitely bad on whales tho)
assuming that we get almost the same gacha pulls as hoyo gives (which usually runs around more or less than 110 pulls you consumed all the content the patch gave) you skip one patch and you are probably basically guaranteed for ~120 banners to come
the normal pity (the one that resets upon getting any 6 star) still carries over which is nice
now for the meta gaming in arknights (basing on og arknights) potentials are usually not that had much of an impact comparing to hoyo games where they characters gets mega broken on c/e/m1-2 onwards
the one thing i really like on arknights gacha banner is that thier weapon banner where some of your character pulls is practically converted to your weapon funds
also one thing about arknights characters gacha is that if not stated (based on OG arknights i dont on endfields tho) as limited character, the character goes to the standard banner pulls
where in the current surtr banner once it ends surtr will get transfered as standard character, where you can potentially lose 50/50 to on the next banner
that's an interesting point of view.
as an Ak player, I would loved the 120 guarantee to be carry over.
maybe I've got brain washed enough by Ak to the point I don't mind the current system.
i just didn't pull on featured banner, I only pull on Limited banner that comes roughly once every 3 month.
But don't dupes not matter in Endfield? I haven't seen any potentials yet that actually give any major bonuses or playstyle upgrades.
Also does the carry over really matter? Do people not just save for the banner they want? Why would you pull on every single banner? That seems super wasteful and not worth doing... In any gacha game.
The gacha is good tbh. Theres no weapon banner that uses premium currency. Its just character banner. But yea, the 120 pulls not carrying over sucks but the 80 does I think.
Also the gameplay os very very veeeery different from genshin, wuwa and even zzz
it is fair, but it could be better. i am kinda mixed with HG take in the gacha system. It is fair, fairer than Genshin or Wuwa, even AK ffs. It's just, it's not only AK players are their audience, all gacha player are their demographic. It's not that they have to please other gacha players outside AK, but HG has to do something this 120 hard pity not carrying, and come up with something better.
@@Dagombrecher Well the main problem with AK is just many aren't used with how their gacha works.
Most gacha players are so used to 50/50 pity system carrying over rather than saving hard 120 pulls for guarantee, in the end both mechanic work the same the only difference is that pity 50/50 gacha will let you try your luck whether you can get the X char. you like or don't like simply pulling for META.
If you don't win sucks, but given it carries over, well its not so bad, while for arknights you really need to plan your pulls, we don't know hows the meta,powercreep etc is going to be given its a different gameplay from OG AK, its more bit ARPG plus 3 man team.
Looking at it again, its not so bad as long as you have patience to save.
(I played OG AK but quitted halfway, so forgot how their gacha worked but reading the comments its not bad, it all depend on the resources of the pulls they give etc)
@@haruusami1831I really wish we didn't defend the system when it could be better. The 120 garuntee and allowing the characters to go into the standard pool is literally only a net positive for everyone.
It does carry over though, the 50/50 pity do carry over, only the gurantee does not
It's so funny when Saintontas tries to talk about some things having absolutely no idea how they work. Instead of talking to various content creators who got on this CBT, he just shot a video with his unreasonable whining, where he tries to tell his audience about the greedy gacha system, about which he has no actual idea. All he knows is the information from gachagaming sub. The one he recently blamed for spreading incomplete information or misinformation. But I guess since it's not about Wuwa, you can trust it.
Typical double standards from clown wuwa cc. It feels like these people's brains just shut down for something other than wuwa-glazing.
He straight up giving wrong information about weapon banner.
The moment i saw saintontas on the title i knew the take on this video was gonna be BAD
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Notice how it's all these streamer whales with infinite money complaining that Endfield doesn't let them pull for dupes or mindlessly throw pulls at the banner just for fun (which Saintontas calls "flexibility").
I'D RATHER HAVE NO DUPES AND LESS FLEXIBILITY IF IT MEANS HAVING A PITY THAT IS 40 ROLLS CHEAPER.
To me, OG Arknights was more about working with what you get and not pulling because you must, and the dupes have never really been important imo. I hope that Endfield continues on with this trend as it's more fun to me. If that's the case, I'm pretty much okay with gacha like that. However, I agree that pity not caring over is pretty rough. Like, I never really save because I'd better got at least something regularly rather than saved and then got just one thing, even if it was good.
God saintontas is ridiculous. Yes, I agree that the 120 guarantee not carrying over is bad. But, my god, why are we acting like the act of saving pulls is a negative. I'm sorry but if you're a f2p player and you see that you don't have 120 pulls yet you still pulled anyway. You getting screwed over is entirely your fault. For whales, the more they pull for the character dupes, the more chances they have of getting the signature weapon, unlike wuwa and the hoyo games, where you have to spend for max constellation characters AND max refinement weapons. The dupes in Endfield don't even upgrade the character by a significant amount.
Edit:
(Copy and pasted from my comment in saintontas' video)
I think people are too negative about the gacha system. The only problem I see is the 120 guarantee not carrying over. Other than that, the gacha is actually significantly better than wuwa and the hoyo games.
Obviously, you would want to save 120 pulls for each banner. Assuming the worst luck, you would get 2 6 stars, 12 5 stars, and 106 4 stars. IMPORTANT: You only get characters in the character banner.
You get Arsenal Tickets by pulling characters so:
2 6 stars × 1500 = 3000
12 5 stars × 500 = 6000
106 4 stars × 50 = 5300
That's a total of 14,300 Arsenal Tickets
The weapon banner costs 2980 for a ten pull, so
14,300 ÷ 2980 = ~4.8 ten pulls.
the rate of getting a 6 star weapon is 4%, that's a 1 in 25 chance of getting a 6 star weapon and you are guaranteed 1 6 star every 4th ten pull and 1 5 star every ten pull. IMPORTANT: You can only get weapons in the weapon banner.
This means that just by saving for the rate up 6 star (120 pulls), assuming the worst luck, you can get:
2 6 star characters
12 5 star characters
106 4 star characters
1 6 star weapon
4 5 star weapons
35 4 star weapons
As a f2p player, I don't about you but this is significantly better than genshin, hsr, and wuwa where I have close to 0% chance of getting the signature weapon for the character I'm pulling for.
For the duplicates, I've seen some of the upgrades and all I can say is that the dupes don't upgrade the character/weapon by a lot. If genshin, hsr, wuwa dupes upgrade a character/weapon by like 200%, endfield dupes upgrades a character/weapon by like 50%. This is really good since the upgrades aren't so significant that you would be missing out on a lot of damage potential but significant enough that those who want dupes would still get an advantage, just like how dupes in OG Arknights are only useful in super high difficulty content that DON'T GIVE REWARDS (620+ points in Contingency Contact).
I would also like to say that we don't even know the full extent of the gacha system. Will rate up characters be added in the standard pool after their banner ends just like in OG Arknights?(answered) How many pulls can you get per patch? Will there be limited characters just like in OG Arknights? If there's skins that will be added, will they cost Origeometry or real money?
In any case, the only complaint I have so far is the 120 guarantee not carrying over. It's not as bad as people are making it out to be.
Edit 2:
Alright, I'll admit my mistake here. I watched saintontas' video, got heated, watched like 4 minutes of this video, acted like a shill and ended up making a comment without even hearing out what he says in the entire video. To apologize, I'm gonna address some important stuff he says here.
1. "The 120 guarantee not carrying over is player-unfriendly". I agree but calling it f2p unfriendly is ridiculous when all they have to do is save 120 pulls. Once you pull, you'll get a ridiculous amount of characters and weapons, that you'll most likely max out the potentials (constellations) for all 4 stars and maybe miss out on 1 or 2 potentials for each 5 star, whilst getting the rate up character and a pretty good chance to get their signature weapon when other games don't even give you a chance.
2. "The game disincentivizes whales from getting dupes which is bad for the company". The way OG Arknights handled this is by selling packs that gives convenience to players. Like giving them mats to max out your recently obtained rate up. Kinda like how it's not the printers that makes a profit for companies, it's the ink. And another thing, whales will whale regardless of the gacha system specially if they love the game. Also, in Arknights, dupes DO matter but ONLY in super hardcore content where even the most minimal stat upgrade is significant enough to change everything, this is fine because that type of content doesn't give any rewards, it's only for flexing. I assume Endfield will follow a similar model.
3. "If you miscalculated your pulls, what are you supposed to do". First of all, skill issue. Second, it seems like the characters are going to be non limited, meaning players will have a chance of losing the 50/50 to the previous rate up. In fact, the Laevatain banner, has Yvonne in it as an off banner even though she's the next rate up after Laevatain. I'm going to assume that Endfield will follow the usual 1 month per patch and that there's going to be two banners per patch. This means that the Phase 2 rate up will be an offbanner for the Phase 1 character and then the Phase 1 character will be an offbanner for Phase 2. Of course, the offbanner will also include previous rate ups. So the character that you missed might spook you in future pulls. Also, OG Arknights gives you the option of buying non limiteds with the certificates (starglitter) that you get from pulling. If Endfield does this also, then even if you miscalculated, your account won't suffer too heavy of a setback.
4. They don't talk about this so I'll just say this. You get 40 pulls from JUST dailies, all we need to know now is rewards for events and other free stuff they'll give. You also get 5k Arsenal Tickets weekly from the roguelike gamemode (It costs 2980 Arsenal Tickets to do a ten pull in the weapon banner)
5. Ask if you have any more questions. I'll try to answer them. Most of the complaints are from people unfamiliar with Arknights so naturally aren't as trusting and informed.
and dupes most likely will be ego boost and not have *that much* impact in gameplay. (at least from what i have seen, they might change it later)
"just dont be greedy and stupid". just save. just plan better. just want a new character and have not enough pulls and be forced to spend . holy the dick riding of the company and player blaming is insane.
wait till u see there are back to back 3 banners and all 3 characters having synergy with each other.. but u can only pull one with saving while on other u cant even try ur luck.. even worse lets say the banner ur gonna pull has the character u want.. but its best in slot support 4 star is in next banner.. and that next banner which has 5 star which u absolutely dont want.. u either have to waste bunch of pulls to try and get it.. which wont get carried for next pity for banner u wanted.. even worse.. lets say u ddnt even get that 4 star.. u wasted bunch of pulls for literally nothing.. this whole 120 pity system looks a lot friendly on surface.. especially for f2p.. but its absolutely not it.. atleast on carry over 5050 u always had next banner guaranteed and u could still try here and there ur luck with few pulls.. this system dont offer that..
@@sarcastoon677 3 banners? what kind of horrible gachas have you played? at least in OG arknights is 1 new character every 3 weeks (more-less) and other 2 are rerun/the standard banner AND endfield seems like it is following OG arknights so... your comment has no basis.
@@lodsup its not hard to have self-control and plan your pulls accordingly. Literally the definition of stupid if you know how the banner works and still decide to pull without having guaranteed.
i don't need a 120 guaranteed if i win 50/50 at 10 pull, because then i can saved up my pull for next banner. also you don't lose your guaranteed if you win 50/50 at say 110 pull that's basically a free copy if you want it
I think the dodge complaint is kinda dumb imo, both wuwa and genshin have stamina bars that are very small when you start and you increase them by exploring, is she trying to tell mr. Wuwa glazer that wuwa sucks?does she want to start a fight?😂
Jokes aside, as for the combat system as far as i saw she is complaining thatyou need electric to unlock the combo for avyewnwa but fails to mention she is a electro character ,you dont need another one to trigger the combo , as far as i saw from other CCs , it is pretty easy to trigger multiple combos, and i dont see the bad side of having to make a team that sinergizes, its the same with wuwa,star rail,zzz, genshin etc
She only electrifies on ult. you should not use her skill UNLESS you’ve already activated her combo - which requires you to use a finisher on someone who is already electrified. Aka using perlica skill on an enemy >> avye finisher > combo
The reason why you don’t use her skill unless it’s a combo is because her skill retrieves her lances she has ALSREADY thrown down (which she does after the combo)
Please don’t comment about things you don’t know
@captaincabinetz my bad then, although she can do it by herself with the ult and then continue to proc it by using combo after retrieval, i can understand the beginning of the fight could be wonky if you dont have said ult already charged. Having another electric applier would help her a lot but i still stand by my other point that having synergies isnt a bad thing.
Somebody give me 1 valid reason why they need pity to carry over.
If you get the character that you want, the pity resets to 0 and there is nothing to carry over.
If you were to want two characters back to back, you could really only go for one. If you have a lot of pulls but don't get the desired character it's basically sunk cost fallacy and you don't have any pulls for the next carry over.
I can't tell you the amount of times I've watched Arknights gacha pull videos and they only get the character at 120-300 pulls.
Honestly think they should save the non garuntee for true limited banners instead.
theres a game mode that gives a lot of weapon currency too
The only concern i have is the rewards we get what if every patch we can only get 30 pulls from grinding so we gotta skip 2 or 3 banners to save up a 120 guaranteed
People still acting like guarantee is the only way to get the characters when I've seen beta testers getting their 6★ or double 6★ less than 100 pulls
I disagree that whales are necessary. Arknights has done fine... I feel you make up the money you lose from whales by just.... Having more players that are happy.
Oh and skins. Lots of skins. Gacha games underestimate the power of just having skins available for direct purchase on a storefront.
What are they smoking? That system is literally the same in OG arknights....
Like to just add that unlike other really bad gacha systems *cough* hoyo wuwa *cough* the characters arent limited just save like how gachas used to be. Counter to his point as well nikke dupes dont really give you much like at all other than the first 3 and thats only if you havent reach 3 star on 5 characters and games doing just fine money wise. They dont need ALL the money making some money is fine
Anyone calling this gacha system bad I can easily discredit, lol. Never seen this male gacha gamer before but according to the comments he’s a Kektone-in-training and I can see it.
I swear Saint is completely brainrot from Wuwa.
Saint the No1 Kurofan
@@porokichin7878 yeah right, he havint even play pgr yet, his more like wuwa fan
The guys an absolute moron and took the crown from Tectone as the most unlikeable CC in the gacha space indisputably. Like sorry, it ain't even funny at this point the guys whole Kuro Super Stan Vs The Entire Gacha Scene gimmick.
I have no idea how anybody can take that guy at all seriously. All he seems to do with his life is stream 8 hours a day 7 days a week just seething religiously at Hoyoverse games, CC's, trailers, social media threads, Da Wei what have you and can barely even seem to find the time to over glaze WuWa anymore he's so busy just raging constantly at the never ending news cycle Hoyo games have because they publish like 4 active fairly popular games.
Wuwa is better clown
How do the game promote whale through skin and this is guarantee to happen TRUE LIMITED CHARACTER like how their og Arknight do
wasnt their true limited only comes from collab banner? the limited we have are only sui siblings, half anniversary, anniversary banner?
WUWA WEAPON GACHA:
Pity at 80 pulls
0.8% to get the banner 5*
99.2% to get nothing
ENDFIELD WEAPON GACHA:
Pity at 40 pulls and 80 pulls
1% to get the banner 6* (25% of 4% = 1%)
3% to get off-banner 6* (75% of 4% = 3%)
96% to get nothing
BONUS:
Wuwa weapon uses astrite.
Endfield weapon gacha is literally free.
ENDFIELD WINS
Would be fine if you're only dicussing about the gacha system and think of ways to make it better but platforming a person who is intentionally spreading misinformation is just not good.
^^
Thing that gate keep me from AK Enfield :
- Does this game requires alot of time to keep up with endgame? Building/cosntruction seems takes alot of time,
- Seing the needs for specific character todo combos (from watching and commentator of some CBT streamer), this game will requires to pull+build alot of char. I'm comfy with WuWa 1.x char was enough to clear every 2.0 has to offer. Pull character or spend just not mandatory, and do when I feels to
i can say....
Not carry over a pity is REALLY COMMON in gacha system before Genshin, so really just dont be greedy if you are play gacha games, plan correctly.
also 120 pull guarantee character and 80 pull guarantee for weapon is generous for gacha system.
The only bad system for yes ... the whale.
But, last time i play arknight (the normal tower defense one), dupe is REALLY not important. Its just miniscule upgrade stat, so there is no way Arknight character become game changing or become meta when touch the dupe, sure maybe sometime your dupe can be game changing, but its really niche situation and its just for sweaty sweaty gamer. There is no character in Arknight lost their skill, or lost their ability, or even become useless at 1 copy.
So there is no reason you need dupe for make your performance better when the different is just so small. People who gacha for dupe in AK is "stupid". But, if whale want whaling, we cant stop them even we said its "useless".
If they want to stay at this kind of "arknight" and not try to copy other gacha games like hoyo's games. I think its fine to give just 1 guarantee per banner.
So... you farming drama here?
Please don't comment on gacha systems when you're innumerate.
It's starting! Western CC debuffs is starting to transfer to Arknights. 🤣
Skill issue.
its been a while since i dropped ToF from its first launch week HOLY this banner systems is that exactly ToF banner system that one 80 pity that dont grantee the banner char its a 50/50 and 120 hard pity to grantee the char and goes away once you get 1 coppy of it. Well from all the banner systems in an open world gatcha game they had to take that one really AK Endfield
The Arknights Endfield Gacha System is only a problem if you're greedy and stupid, change my mind.
Pity does carried no (the 80 pity the 120 guaranteed that is not), so isnt that not that different from wuwa pity either 70 or 80 pull standard for 50/50?
yes the pity carry over
yeah the only difference is there is no guarantee after losing 50/50 BUT that not a problem since new characters are always available after their banner ends
they are not ready for the limited character banners ....
I still personally prefer pity transfer to happen for the sole reason for my god awful luck.just with the current arknights event after more than 60 pulls i got gnosis, whos not even from the banner so i have to likely pull another 60 for the next 6 star which is not even guaranteed to be the one i want.
Of course just like arknights most of the 6 star ops are going to likely be put into the standard pool but in any case i ever want them theres never going to be a guarantee ill ever get them.
If they are willing to make a banner that doesn't transfer pity i think they should reserve it to a special banner where the operator wont be put into the standard pool like the anni,summer and cn events.
40 pulls a week is not going to stay in the full release; that's most definitely going to be adjusted to be lower. If it stayed that way, they would lose money; this is only a CBT benefit.
I can see the vision that Saint is saying this is a bad gacha system, but honestly I disagree on some of the takes.
Like I remember clearly a lot of gacha cc were complaining on how genshin and some gacha games have these characters but their not even 100% their power output. Like you need multiple dupes or even one single dupe for the character to be good or convient. After spending hundreds of dollars, meanwhile arknights is way better with not needing dupes. This in itself is free to play friendly. Captain you make a good point on this part with not needing dupes cause from what ive seen from other content creators we dont need dupes for 6stars, but we do get a luxurious amount of dupes for our 4 or 5 star characters for these pulls as we dont get weapons for our pulls.
Another thing I disagree with saint is that he says that the devs are messing themselves up with not getting revenue with this system, but in the sales for gacha games Arknights has repeatedly made millions on dollars. We talking about top 30 or 25 maybe even higher depending on the patches. This is simply proof that Arknights EF has what it takes to make the money, especially when arknights a niche game as it is already makes millions on its own, now imagine arknights but in this type of game.
Things that I agree with Saint is that he does make a good point that there isnt any harm for the devs to implement gurantee pity for every 120 pulls for whales, or even free to play friendly players that saved up for this character for their dupes for some reason. They should bring the pity 120 gurantee for sure.
The arknights ef should also allow the pity gurantee to go over to the next banner or patch. This just would be nicer and more reasonable.
The one thing that arknights ef has over all the other gacha games is that they get only characters for their pulls instead of these dog water weapons that many have no use for. This meaning we have a higher chance of getting dupes and collecting our characters to their "potential". We are also able to pull and focus getting 6 star characters with our premium currency while building up currency for the weapon. In a sense I see this is very good to all gacha games imo.
Overall I can agree and disagree with the takes that Saint has made. Really liked this video from the two of you guys! Appreciate for the takes and content for us to watch boss.
For me as f2p some times if I am not sure if I want the character I pull like 40 pulls if I did get a 5 star that's amazing if not I just stop and wait for the banner that I want knowing that I need just 40 and btw in wuwa no one get to 80 everyone gets a 5 star around 65-70 pity so it's like 130 to guarantee ❤and the rate for a 5 star is 0.8 which is way better and let's not forget about the doubs on the shop
I've had countless of clueless F2P friends that disliked the similar 120pull guarantee that ToF had.
But if you were wise to save, the rates are about the same. Since in Hoyo games, the average pity count players obtain 5* characters is at 50-60 pity. Which equates to around 120 pulls in total, if their next guaranteed 5* drops on "soft pity" range.
Arknights have same system why complain now nobody complain back then?
Because they are used with hoyo's and similar gacha model now.
@taldrith2208 bruh they are more generous than kuro and hoyo so who cares
Guess Arknights is the target of the WuWa community this week. Funny thought it would have been ZZZ
Something I notice in wuwa cc now that 2.0 content run out they just post drama content from other gacha games .
@@SieglindeVivid I don't know how you run out of content that fast with a brand new region launch and major version update, but considering it seems like they barely even play the game much anyway maybe that's not the issue. The issue is they run out of content from the game to farm/react to probably.
@@HardymanK drama does bring the views
@@SieglindeVivid Yeah unfortunately it's looking like Phase 2.0 is gonna be pretty dry in comparison to the first week or so of the patch so I doubt they let up any time soon. Probably gonna just end up rehashing the same topics they already have several times for the next month or so like HSR Powercreep and Natlan Sucks while waiting for 2.1 to start.
Obviously just you know...not making the same bullshit drama react videos to one another every single day isn't an option for WuWa CCs since they don't actually seem to care all that much about the actual game enough to even be there for the Roccia banner update and short albeit sweet story quest that can literally be done in an hour.
@@HardymanK Other than patch notes and characters those are the only content I see from the popular CCs so yah dry content with lots of drama and glazing.
Also "devs listen" the most important content for Wuwa.
Imo Wuwa contents CCs are boring since they seem to copy each other glaze Wuwa and bash Hoyo.
I'm surprised how nobody is talking about the weapon banner, from what I understand you can get the currency for weapon banner only from the pulling on the character banner. But what happens if you get lucky on the character banner? Let's say you get it in 10 - 30 pulls, how do you get the currency for the weapon? Basically they force u to keep pulling from what I understand no? That is horrible.
You can farn in game for WB.
Im surpised you havent seen ingame stuff that gives you a good amount of weapon currency.
@@WGray-k9p you can farm for the entire pitty? If that's the case then that's a good thing, basically a free weapon.
@@taldrith2208 I don't play the game. I just saw all the complaints about the pitty from this videos and understood that you only can get the currency for the weapon by pulling on characters banner. But if they give you enough for a weapon pitty then that's a win. If is enough.
@@CMA-90game is not even released. See this is why alot of these doomposting sfuff immediatly jump on how bad the system is when they doesnt even know the pull income you can get
You can farm 5k weapon currency per week from the roguelike game modes, thats about ~67 weapon pull per month. The currency you get from pulling character are just extra
Also to those who will say FGO with trash gacha system still live for 9 years... Sit down here... I have played Arknights and FGO for 3 years and will say it here...
FGO => 99% off all servants are useless. Why would you want everything? That's why the gacha rate can be trash!
Arknights => Majority of units are needed for the Tower Defense. There's no carry pity nor hard pity. But eventually, all those units will be in the game.
Arknights Endfield => Also to answer about if the game will give you dupes if you win 50/50? Yes, it is Saintotas... You can't guarantee dupes... KyoStinV even doubles down on this. Watch his video and most of the staff Saintotas mention is a real thing. Also, Hard Pity always resets every banner which Saintotas got it correct too.
KyoStinV also said this gacha system is good for F2P but it will punish the whale. He's a CBT too and every CBT player said the same thing too.
Pity carries over? => Mixed or neutral but there's the solution by saving.
Hard pity? => Overwhelming Negative even from KyoStinV or many Arknights CCs. Not because it's bad for players but it's bad for game dev to milk whale.
TBH I will be real here. Why are we so negative over some people who just said the fact of the banner system and gave their opinion. This is just their opinion and every CBT CCs already has a negative view of the hard pity system. It is the only bad thing.
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Ayo, friends from arknights be courteous and polite please.
I am a main arknights player too and in fact is quite a fnatic one that even buys Union Arena Amiya and Frostnova parallel 3 star just for collection ^_^
Please, no fight! Please discuss objectively as what Amiya would have done. PEACE!
Calling out a fraudster who only get his information from Reddit to sto spreading misinformation isn't wrong thing to do
It dosent suck end of discussion
So now were just clickbaiting tf out of this. Cool 😐👍
I think 120 pulls is a lot cheaper than getting E0S1, so that's not a problem😂
Does that snowman guy play AK before this ENFIELD thing?
im not hating on either of you but hypergryph stated also that they arent just worried bout making money, if they were they scrap the arknights gacha system because that is basically the samething
The system is fine, only thing I’d change is the pity carrying over
so the system is not fine. 10/10. the whole point is that pity needs to carry over.
It does carry but only 1-80
@@DannyJ3636 which means you can lose 50/50 to eternity if you dont do 120 in a banner. which is stupid.
If that happened, it'll be way too good. Soft pity carries but if hard pity also carries you would get so many 6 stars itll be ridiculous. I highly doubt it'll change but as of rn, i feel people will be happy with it once it released officially.
@@lodsup120 is not eternity dude. When dupes dont even matter (as we know of), just get the character and save. It's only an issue if you just spend your currency every banner, which is unwise since you arent pulling for a character, just for the gacha itch. 120 is not a lot when soft pity is 80. Its not bad yall just want to get every character whilst be f2p.