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Planning & Scratch Building the HO Scale Carrier Princess | Boomer Diorama ~ # 270
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- This is the very beginning of the Carrier Princess scratch build for the HO Scale Shelf Layout - 'River Road.'
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Awesome job of modelling the Carrier.❤👍
She is coming along nicely. Thank you!
@@boomerdiorama Ever consider doing the Princess of Vancouver?
When I was young we took the boat from Frankfort Mi. to Wisconsin with a full load of rail cars and our cars. Who would know that 65 years later I would be watching the building of an HO sized boat.
That sounds cool. I love the west coast ferries (Steel Ships). They all have unique characters to them.
I used to build scratch ship models in wood in my youth, but you have me thinking about trying one in plastic now at my advanced age. Your ferry does have ‘it’.
Plastic is way faster and when it comes to steel ships, the way to go.
This is stunning. I've hauled on & off Vancouver Island, via Black Ball, WSF, & BC Ferries & plan to incorporate highway, rail, & marine ops in my dream layout. Thank u for the inspiration!
Yeah. The nautical transportation factor is cool on the model railroad. ;-)
Wow that is quite nice, such detail
She certainly is. I thought, why not. The layout is about the operation and location - as if you were there. ;-)
Hi fellow west side Vancouver kid. I recall that the vessel initially carried passengers. Good luck on that ambitious project.
I appreciate that but I don't need luck - it's almost done.
She did carry passengers when it was a CP boat. After Seaspan, policy changed with the movement of dangerous goods and people on the same vessel while in transit.😁
Boomer, you are absolutely fearless! I can't imagine tackling a scratchbuild this complex. This puts your incredible jukebox to shame :) Can't wait to see more...
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In ‘75 my wife and I spent a lot of time in and around Vancouver and the Island visiting my son in Van and his girlfriend’s parents on the Island in Euclulet( I think that’s spelled right). I also spent a few days on Granville Island at the Marine Museum. Wow, that was a while ago. I don’t know if the Carrier Princess was one of the ships we used to go back and forth, but I could not get over the size of those ships and the amount of vehicles they carried! Coming from Toronto, I was not used to the large size of the ships used for every day traffic!
It would not have been the Carrier Princess - maybe the "Queen" of Nanaimo, or other sister ship. I think the idea of passengers was embraced during the Canadian Pacific ownership ( in the seventies). On the other hand, West Coast Ferries (B.C. Ferries) took over automobile's and people transit. The Carrier Princess only carried passenger's related to the rail cars, trucks, dangerous goods, etc. There were a few exceptions, but mostly commercial rail & truck traffic only.
Great video for beginners interested in doing drawings from photos Boomer... Been using a lot of the same techniques you've covered here, for the last 30 odd years to convert photos of subjects, into CAD models for the purpose of laser cutting (and now 3D printing) of scale models.
It's a great way to add to your modeling capabilities... Hope it helps many of the modelers watching your channel that haven't done such things prior to this.
I hope it does exactly what you say for the younger generation as well. Once you dive into this type of modeling there is no going back. 👍
You put into words the process I've used since high school to figure out how to be reasonably accurate building things from drawings or photos.
Geez, it only took about 60 years...🤭
Thanks for your insight.
Lol . . . that sounds about right . . . lol.
Hi Boom, you really make my friday evening after some exhausting gardenworks😊❤ THANKS for sharing this episode just today😘 For you my dear friend, and everybody else reading this, a nice weekend and maybe even some more HAPPY modeling! CHEERS, crazy Olli 😘
Thank you!
Nice. Thank you for sharing. It's an interesting concept. Something I can use when I don't have access. I have a Scale stick when I can get on site. It's a 2" dowel that's 8 feet long. Painted black and white. Painted so each color. Okay Colour. is one foot long. Four black, Four white, alternated on the stick. When I take the picture with the scale stick next to what I want to take a picture of. I use the scale stick as a known for the reference. Basically doing what you are doing. Thanks for the tip. I can add this information to my arsenal of knowledge.
Awesome! Thank you!👍
I wanted to send you thanks. I am building a boat kit for my layout. I won’t give too many details because I don’t want to cause problems for the manufacturer.
But the superstructure for this kit was made completely out of balsa and what ever the sticky sheets are. Sadly the balsa was dried out and brittle, and the design involved a lot of complex curves. Can we say I was left with a horrible mess. But I did have plenty of scrap polystyrene laying around from other projects, thanks to your encouragement I gave it a try. Custom built the wheel house and crew compartment. It saved the model. I never would have thought of that if it weren’t for you. Thanks.
Maybe you can trace the patterns onto the polystyrene.
OMG 😳. That ferry is going to be incredible. Plus the tug , epic !!!
Yes indeed . . . in due time. ;-)
Boomer, great tips on reproducing a photo into scale drawings.
And thank you for keeping the Engineers skills in mind (as a retired Engineer, I know we appreciate being thought of).
Really looking forward to the videos on the actual build, it should be amazing.
Thank you for sharing, cheers, and stay safe, Michael
My pleasure!
The 1/87 trailer on the table shows me what a talented cool dude you are. 🤣🤘🏻
Those Athearn 53" Trailers are very nice. I have a few of them for the Princess. ;-)
You take modelling to a different level, not hobby but professional, and that’s not a bad thing, I’m just taking up modelling at 62, and every time I do something I know I can do better by simply looking, I really thank you for your great tutorials, ..I’m really enjoying my new journey, even though I keep going back and starting again…. ..I’m now getting better results, …
It's always a good practice to build an outhouse like you have never built before . . . lol.
I know that sounds crazy, but what you learn from a simple trackside shanty can really surprise you . . . the modeling doctrine is all there, even in an outhouse.
Heck . . . make it the best trackside shanty ( with character) you have ever modeled and you will be well on your way. ;-) ~ Cheers ~ Boomer.
This is amazing. I was planning to do an N-scale version several years ago but changed prototypes. I had one constructed out of foam core for a concept model (it still exists here on Vancouver Island with another owner). I'm following this build!
N Scale is great for location modeling like this for sure. ;-)
The Carrier Princes ZC3582 was built by Versatile Pacific Shipyard in Vancouver. I don't know who the architect was though. I do really like the lines on the ship though.
The details here just blow my mind.
She was originally commissioned Canadian Pacific.
Both informative and inspirational, yet again. Thank you.
You are welcome!
Great you started the series already. It isn’t even sunday yet!
Cheers!
Thanks Boomer, always interesting. Zoom or telephoto lenses, the more they squeeze the image, the more the fartest vertical will be increase in height. That explain that a locomotive shot betwen bring in frony of it and 3/4 angle makes the rear taller than the front. If you do it with a shoebox, the rear side will be taller than the front. And we know it´s a perfect rectangle.
Boomer is absolutely true in its guess measurements. The best shot always pointing the middle of the subject and the more perpendicular to it. Be careful in pointing to low or to high as vertical won´t be vertical anymore. You can estimate betwen the narrower and wider and divide by 2. Not accurate but...
Working with old photos, say from 1900, try to find a few objects that you can estimate the size.
If i go back on Boomer episode, he tells us at what height from the floor he built its layout. We just need a pause on one of its video where we can see him standing next to layout and estimatedistance betwen layout and head top. I guess around 5´ 8" , 5´ 9" or 173 to 175.5 cm .😊
I am 5'11" . . . ;-)
@@boomerdiorama oups.
Do you think that 2 or 3 inches is an acceptable error ? Humm well long thin fingers were a clue, but no guarantee.
But shorting you 3 inches, in HO it makes 0.03448...inches shorter.
I think you´ll still look fine in HO.
Cheers my friend 👍
Dear Boomer, awesome vid, cool lesson on making scale drawing from photos and derived ratios. On the content level; I wanna add that this kind of showing the project in progress makes you the model railroad master of the sneak preview! Absolute tease, beautiful shots of the Carrier Princess on the workbench. Love it! Cheerio
I had to wait awhile to build up content to avoid the boredom factor. I'm trying to keep it interesting and inspiring. Cheers. ;-)
This will be amazing to watch.
Thank you!
thank you for all the great information,
Glad it was helpful!
You hit upon a key point. If the ratios and proportions are close, the actual dimensions don't really need to be known.
For what it's worth, I was told that if the vessel is confined to fresh water, it's called a boat. If it can go on salt water, it's called a ship. Don't know if this is correct or not, but it seems plausible.
Sounds good to me Don . . . ;-) As you say, it's the ratios and balance ( in the spirit of the architect) that really matters in the end for me.
Hi Boomer,
The work you have done on the Princess so far is just amazing!
Dealing with everyday life, then finding time to plan, build, and video how you accomplish so much detailed work between each presentation is beyond amazing!
I have a question about the clearance between the top of the hopper car and the cargo open of the ferry.
Considering camera angle and lens used as you mentioned when I imagine with my eyes the space at the top of the hopper, then look at the distance down the side of the hopper to the deck, if the space at the top is appx 4' the hopper top to deck would appear to be over 26'.
With everything considered, the top space looks no more than 1.5' and at most 2'.
Is it possible for the space to be much less than four feet?
Cheers
On the model it's a few feet. Funny thing, I also have a pick with some high cubes going into the Ferry as well. The deck on the model raised things a little as well so it looks good.
Best explanation of scale measurements from photos. Very helpful. Hope those weren't your wife's scissors there at the end 😉
They were, but I adopted them . . . lol. They are awesome scissors and she said I could have them . . . weird for a woman to give up such nice scissors. ;-)
I have someone who lives above me that works at the Seaspan shipworks here in Victoria. I could make some enquiries around the princess and or other ferries blueprints. Let me know.
Thank you, but it's too late . . . lol. I appreciate it but the problem is always what comes later after the build is well underway. I don't wait for things. For me luxury is always a bit too late to the party with good intentions. ;-) Cheers ~ Boomer.
@boomerdiorama it was worth a shot.
@@railscanner Yes . . . and thank you for the offer. The problem with photos and plans that come later, they can be a real curse to the builder.
This build is exhausting and the last thing I need is more data to throw me down the OCD trail at this point. I want to finish the model and move onto other builds. Cheers.😁👍
It seems from the one photo that high cube cars might not fit. I’m modeling an older ferry, Chief Wawatam, in Northern MI in N scale which from a detail perspective tends to be a bit more forgiving. Due to space restrictions I’ve also had to reduce the width and length of the ship without compromising the height yet still retain the key features. Model Railroad Car Ferry Pt. 1
ua-cam.com/video/0KkEHZL1BP0/v-deo.html. I think the additional operational functionality will add great interest as well. I’ve been looking forward to this series. Thanks for sharing.
I have a photo from the prototype with "High Cubes" going into the Ferry no problem. It's tight but they fit fine.
Great stuff. This is how I do a lot of woodworking projects. If you just do what is on UA-cam then things just start looking Youtubish. We would all like to have the ability to create something just from what is in our head but it is not always clear what that is. We get inspiration from what is around us. I can't get out of my head when you recorded the sound of the Aspen trees in the woods. Now only a few weeks later you take inspiration from the Carrier Princess and reimagine it in HO scale. Fundamentally you have taught us how to miniaturize. Accuracy is somewhat important, details are somewhat important but you nailed it when you said, "just keep playing with it until it feels right." I use Fusion360 to do what you are doing by hand. It has an entire suite of features for doing this kind of thing. Be interesting to tackle something like this though. Either way you need to know your stuff to get those angles and contours to transition well into something that is 3 dimensional and make it feel right. The shot at ua-cam.com/video/mxOPq6uhyek/v-deo.html shows how this though is just in another league. So many fine detailed parts. Are you scale drawing all of these? I would sure like to see that entire process.
I drew my own plans from specs, photos, etc. Long laborious exercise but works out well in the end. Cheers.