@ 3:58 In order to deal damage to levanos, you need weak point/destruction skills, not stagger damage. That's misinformation there. You need to break a stagger check in order for him to not regain the armor and having to destroy it again, but in order to start dealing damage it's needed weak point skills.
Yes, that is true. I only found out after another comment here and checking maxroll. Should have taken a more careful look into it before talking, but at least we are all learning something. Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks, this was super useful. Didn't realize you needed to be directly in front of the enemy for the counter to work, thought I was just missing out on the timing.
Tip : If you are playing with Gunslinger, use Peacekeeper as your main counter skill. Even though the skill (Peacekeeper) is not listed as counterable skill, the very first hit of the combo is treated as a "counter." The other counterable shotgun skill isn't all that good due to very long pre-cast delay. There are some skills in the game that are not listed as "counter" in tooltip yet still usable as counter skills. These skills usually are combo skills with a specific part of the combination working as counter. Skill description usually tells you which part of the skill can be used as a counter.
Wow, thank you! I had no idea, but you are right. I had that in the back of my mind that peacekeeper would be a much easier counter to land, but always ignored the long text in the tooltip so I was convinced that it can't counter. Seems like I still have a lot to learn myself.
Was gonna point this out so thanks for saying something. I've seen several poor souls in area chat that don't know about peacekeeper being a counter skill :[
Really useful information! Thank you very much. :) P.S. I wanted to add that I think most folks that need this information are not really concerned about the exact details of any particular fights that are used as examples. We understand that it is the concepts of the three types that is important. Please do not be discouraged by the criticisms.
Great video, not nearly enough people use bombs. Small correction, you need weak point (destruction bombs) to break the armor of levanos. You do need stagger to prevent him from rebuilding it though (when he pauses and kneels down).
@@goshu7009 Most bosses are push immune, so you should just focus on dealing overall damage. If you're ever curious about a specific raid boss or guardian, maxroll.gg should have info on all their mechanics in detail.
Thank you for your video! I am still feeling lost in lost ark but having those 3 mechanics explained helped this old gal out bunches! I am a gunslinger as well so even more helpful. :) Your voice sounded fine to me.
Main question I have is on the effectiveness of low-mid-high stagger abilities against their peers. Is it 1-2-3, double every upgrade 1-2-4 or something else?
Just a stagger check is sometimes hidden, I wonder if it’s same for weak point check. I sometimes see my skill give out a destruction msg but I never see the weak point reticle
Thanks for the guide. As a feedback I'd suggest you for your future videos to first explain the mechanic itself. "E.g what is a counter" or "What does stagger do". Anyway thanks for the video :)
Yeah, pvp is entirely different. None of these mechanics apply there. If you want to learn about pvp mechanics, you should look into what super armor is and the different levels of cc. I would recommend watching Kanon's introductory video about pvp: ua-cam.com/video/0a9_ufIWeW4/v-deo.html
I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but to land a successful counter you just need to use the correct ability, level doesn't matter. In case you meant to ask about weak point damage, the skills level is irrelevant, only the level of the weak point damage type matters that each skills tooltip tells you. Chargable skills that have weak point and stagger damage on them deal the suggested weak point/stagger damage at max charge.
If you mean the text on the MVP screen when it says "Semi-stagger" under your name, that is I believe a miss-translation. It should say: "Stagger Dealt"
When a stagger check is happening that will wipe the party or deal damage to you if you fail it, a progress bar will appear 90% of the time under the boss, like the one at 4:21 in the video. Other than that, like in the case of Helgaia or some other guardians, whenever the boss stops attacking and start charging up something, there's a good chance you can stagger them during that to prevent them from doing a certain mechanic. If you're ever confused about mechanics like that, you can always look at a lost-ark.maxroll.gg guide.
Good explanation, but especially with not being a MMO type person i simply sit there and get farmed/cc'ed endlessly in PVE and PVP. I am still going back to this game at least periodically, but endless island to island quests, menu upon menu upon currency and mats upon mats. gets kind of boring really fast. could just not be for me, but at least it looks nice. Yet i should have known from the begging when putting a mount on my bar was like a 8 part thing of getting, clicking, going into menu, drag dropping on bar etc.
The game as a whole is definitely not for everyone, thanks to the things you mentioned. It can get really overwhelming especially in your first few weeks of playing, but as more of the mist and confusion clears up, most of the mechanics become pretty simple to understand, but they do take some time and getting used to. The nice thing is, that there's a lot of different ejnoyments you can find in the game, it doesn't have to be clearing the hardest raids day 1 or whatever. I'm glad you're still giving it a shot.
Yeah, pvp is entirely different. It's like a different game. For pvp you need to learn about super armor, and different "levels" of cc, and the biggest factor is learning all the matchups.
Indeed it does. Think of it more as an attackspeed buff, rather than casting speed. The translation makes it a bit confusing, but if you look at for example loawa.com and look for the top players builds, a lot of them use gale wind runes on skills with no casting bars.
As a paladin I'm still not sure about my counter skill or maybe skills. Can the executor's sword skill counter or not ? It doesn't have counter: yes in orange, like other skills in game but it has a yellow counterattack in it's text.
Stagger have some kind of relation about the damage or number of hits that the skill does? Or the priority is always the skill with the highest stagger level in the description and doesnt even matter the damage and hits? Example berseker sword storm vs hell blade , both tagged as high but hellblade takes twice time but also hits 10 more times. Which is better?
I'm 99% sure that damage doesn't matter, only the stagger level of the skill. As for for skills with more hits i'm not sure, I'd need to test it so all I can say is try to mess around with it and see what order and combination of your skills deals the most stagger in a certain amount of time.
Very nice video, im asking myself tho, because you did the example with weakpoint with the 8 man abysal, does every skill give weakpoint? Because im pretty sure ppl dont know that you need that for the 2 ladys, but we always cleared them anyways even without weakpoint skills, does that mean every skill gives a tiny bit of weakpoint? I hope the question was understandable ^^
Most likely it's because people will just spam most of their abilities, hoping it will work, and in the case of that abyssal dungeon their shiled is not hard to break at all. I'm pretty sure only skills with at least Weak Point lvl 1 deal any weak point damage, even with the use of Corrosive Bombs.
I find the mechanics surrounding Stagger pretty negligible. I mean all skills have a long cooldown anyway. You take the skill that isn't on cooldown anyway. What else to do? Standing around and not doing any damage? So the boss gets my stagger skills anyway when they're ready.
It's really class dependent. If you say that, I'm guessing your class has a reasonable amount of stagger. Not all classes have that luxury, and as a result in a lot of cases they need to save their staggering skills for when a stagger check occurs. Of course you don't want to sacrifice DPS either, so you need to find a good balance.
certain skills do more stagger damage than others, you don’t just throw random skills at the boss hoping it’s optimal because that is more often than not the cause of a wipe
I actually don't know, i've never seen blue damage numbers myself. Only text like "invincible" when I'm not high ilvl enough to deal damage to the target or when guardians move locations etc.
@@bain8686 I'm not entirely sure, but I think it might be to state total damage. Gunlancer's aoe lighting ability has a talent that adds a secondary hit with blue damage text in the tooltip. When testing target dummies that talent's tooltip damage matched the total damage inflicted from the ability with the talent's second hit.
@@bain8686 i'm pretty sure that blue text refers to the damage over time numbers. Not sure how it exactly works, though. By looking at one skill's describtion with blue text on Gunslinger, my guess is that the blue number is the damage that keeps getting inflicted while the DOT is in effect.
To save some space, because the card storage is pretty limited, unless you spend blue crystals on it, and I dont want to fill my entire storage with cards. :D
@@umerahmed1039 Aah, you're confusing weak point damage with party buffs. Those skills with the correct tripods debuff enemies, but that's not the weak point damage type that the video is about.
Yeah sadly it does, and there's even more that the game doesn't explain well or at all. Most of it you either figure out yourself, or look for info online.
it does, if u go to the training area from the guide menu. I don't remember if it teaches u about weak point in particular, and they don't tell you about battle items, but I remember finishing a stagger and counter tutorial there
You might think that now, but it's a mechanic that will be included in raids such as legion raids in the future, where you have to land counters, and in some cases avoid countering, in order to not die or wipe the party.
Wtf do u mean countering is mandatory in any situations, it’s mechanics that you will have to get used to especially in legion raids. It also give room for damage while the boss is down. It is just the same as weak point.
so another BAD guide about stager and weak points. Most of Gunslinger stagger is Catastrophy x/3/3 . also you not say about tripods and how they can change x2 stager and weak points pr even x3. like catasttrophy x/x/3 tripod
I see why you say that, but to be fair all the content leading up to T3, and to the content that's not released yet, is basically just an introduction to all these mechanics so you are already familiar with them when the more long-term and more challenging content is released. Therefore I personally don't mind them nerfing the currently available content but that's just what I think.
I know it's annoying, sorry. Had to do a lot of editing and recording, because I was still sick and was losing my voice a little. Hope you can still get the info you need out of it.
@ 3:58 In order to deal damage to levanos, you need weak point/destruction skills, not stagger damage. That's misinformation there. You need to break a stagger check in order for him to not regain the armor and having to destroy it again, but in order to start dealing damage it's needed weak point skills.
Yes, that is true. I only found out after another comment here and checking maxroll. Should have taken a more careful look into it before talking, but at least we are all learning something. Thanks for the heads up!
"misinformation" like the hard working YT helpinf people is spreading conspiracy and propaganda.
He made a mistake thats all lol
@@gowanlock its still misinfo. People try and just get videos out so fast to cash in on the views they forget to fact check. Happens all the time…
Thank you... I didn't know about the target reticle appearing when there is a weak point damage part of an encounter. Cleared things up for me.
Thanks, this was super useful. Didn't realize you needed to be directly in front of the enemy for the counter to work, thought I was just missing out on the timing.
Tip : If you are playing with Gunslinger, use Peacekeeper as your main counter skill.
Even though the skill (Peacekeeper) is not listed as counterable skill, the very first hit of the combo is treated as a "counter."
The other counterable shotgun skill isn't all that good due to very long pre-cast delay.
There are some skills in the game that are not listed as "counter" in tooltip yet still usable as counter skills. These skills usually are combo skills with a specific part of the combination working as counter. Skill description usually tells you which part of the skill can be used as a counter.
Wow, thank you! I had no idea, but you are right. I had that in the back of my mind that peacekeeper would be a much easier counter to land, but always ignored the long text in the tooltip so I was convinced that it can't counter.
Seems like I still have a lot to learn myself.
@@Nolph97 choosing the "dash" tripod makes it much easier too, since the actual counter hit is melee (pistol whip)
Was gonna point this out so thanks for saying something. I've seen several poor souls in area chat that don't know about peacekeeper being a counter skill :[
Landing Counter Attack is soooooooooooo satisfying.
Thank you so much for a concise video that doesn’t have boring filler talk in it. you have a new subscriber because of it
Really useful information! Thank you very much. :)
P.S. I wanted to add that I think most folks that need this information are not really concerned about the exact details of any particular fights that are used as examples. We understand that it is the concepts of the three types that is important. Please do not be discouraged by the criticisms.
Thanks for the info, this is exactly what I needed! Also, first!
Thank you so much for that info. Hope you feel better soon.
Great Vid! 👍🏻 Subbed
Glad you are beginning to feel better.
Great video, not nearly enough people use bombs. Small correction, you need weak point (destruction bombs) to break the armor of levanos. You do need stagger to prevent him from rebuilding it though (when he pauses and kneels down).
Thank you! Ah yes, even maxroll says so. I should have looked into it, thanks for the heads up!
If the boss have push imunities, what kind of dmg we should use?
@@goshu7009 Most bosses are push immune, so you should just focus on dealing overall damage. If you're ever curious about a specific raid boss or guardian, maxroll.gg should have info on all their mechanics in detail.
Thank you for your video! I am still feeling lost in lost ark but having those 3 mechanics explained helped this old gal out bunches! I am a gunslinger as well so even more helpful. :) Your voice sounded fine to me.
oh i see this is really a good video i dont know this im new to Lost Ark and stuck at honing for now
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thanks for this video, i had a hard time figuring out what the weak point goal was.
Very helpful video! Didn´t know about anything besides stagger haha
This is pure gold. Thank you
Why on earth this is not part of basic leveling path instead of the slog we have... Really, thanks for explanation.
Very good info here. Good job
Main question I have is on the effectiveness of low-mid-high stagger abilities against their peers. Is it 1-2-3, double every upgrade 1-2-4 or something else?
I don't know exactly, but to my experience higher stagger levels seem to deal significantly more stagger damage. Same goes for weakpoint.
Thank yoy for the video. Very helpful. Can you tell me what it means when the re is a glowing electric cross on the boss?
very good video.
Just a stagger check is sometimes hidden, I wonder if it’s same for weak point check. I sometimes see my skill give out a destruction msg but I never see the weak point reticle
Can stagger be applied from back or it only works from front/head ?
Stagger can be applied from anywhere regardless of your position.
@@Nolph97 aigh thanks
Thanks for the guide. As a feedback I'd suggest you for your future videos to first explain the mechanic itself. "E.g what is a counter" or "What does stagger do". Anyway thanks for the video :)
Could you say something about these mechanics being apply in pvp?
Yeah, pvp is entirely different. None of these mechanics apply there. If you want to learn about pvp mechanics, you should look into what super armor is and the different levels of cc. I would recommend watching Kanon's introductory video about pvp: ua-cam.com/video/0a9_ufIWeW4/v-deo.html
@@Nolph97 uuuu, tnx dude. I appreaciate it. Im interested in pvp. Finaly would like start to participate in one. Tnx again.
Concerning cunter: do i need to max it or leave it level 1 is enough to expose weak point?
I'm not sure what you mean exactly, but to land a successful counter you just need to use the correct ability, level doesn't matter. In case you meant to ask about weak point damage, the skills level is irrelevant, only the level of the weak point damage type matters that each skills tooltip tells you. Chargable skills that have weak point and stagger damage on them deal the suggested weak point/stagger damage at max charge.
@@Nolph97 ok Thanks for clarification very appreciated
I dont know if it is a translation issue with the eu version, but what is semi-stagger?
If you mean the text on the MVP screen when it says "Semi-stagger" under your name, that is I believe a miss-translation. It should say: "Stagger Dealt"
@@Nolph97 Yes, that's what I meant, I appreciate your answer.
How do you know when to start using the stagger damage skills? What are the indicators?
When a stagger check is happening that will wipe the party or deal damage to you if you fail it, a progress bar will appear 90% of the time under the boss, like the one at 4:21 in the video. Other than that, like in the case of Helgaia or some other guardians, whenever the boss stops attacking and start charging up something, there's a good chance you can stagger them during that to prevent them from doing a certain mechanic. If you're ever confused about mechanics like that, you can always look at a lost-ark.maxroll.gg guide.
You don't need to be in front of your enemy to counter, you only need to hit the head. You can counter from the side as much as you are in front.
Good explanation, but especially with not being a MMO type person i simply sit there and get farmed/cc'ed endlessly in PVE and PVP.
I am still going back to this game at least periodically, but endless island to island quests, menu upon menu upon currency and mats upon mats. gets kind of boring really fast. could just not be for me, but at least it looks nice. Yet i should have known from the begging when putting a mount on my bar was like a 8 part thing of getting, clicking, going into menu, drag dropping on bar etc.
The game as a whole is definitely not for everyone, thanks to the things you mentioned. It can get really overwhelming especially in your first few weeks of playing, but as more of the mist and confusion clears up, most of the mechanics become pretty simple to understand, but they do take some time and getting used to.
The nice thing is, that there's a lot of different ejnoyments you can find in the game, it doesn't have to be clearing the hardest raids day 1 or whatever. I'm glad you're still giving it a shot.
and what do they do in PVP ? or pvp its not part of the game ?
Yeah, pvp is entirely different. It's like a different game. For pvp you need to learn about super armor, and different "levels" of cc, and the biggest factor is learning all the matchups.
Does gale wind rune casting speed affect spells that have no "casting bar" too ?
Great video btw, finally someone who summarized all of those mechanics in understandable manner
Indeed it does. Think of it more as an attackspeed buff, rather than casting speed. The translation makes it a bit confusing, but if you look at for example loawa.com and look for the top players builds, a lot of them use gale wind runes on skills with no casting bars.
As a paladin I'm still not sure about my counter skill or maybe skills. Can the executor's sword skill counter or not ? It doesn't have counter: yes in orange, like other skills in game but it has a yellow counterattack in it's text.
Holy sword and Executioner's sword both should be able to be used for countering, but I haven't tried them just yet.
thank you so much for making this
Good video, thanks you. Very usefull.
Stagger have some kind of relation about the damage or number of hits that the skill does? Or the priority is always the skill with the highest stagger level in the description and doesnt even matter the damage and hits? Example berseker sword storm vs hell blade , both tagged as high but hellblade takes twice time but also hits 10 more times. Which is better?
I'm 99% sure that damage doesn't matter, only the stagger level of the skill.
As for for skills with more hits i'm not sure, I'd need to test it so all I can say is try to mess around with it and see what order and combination of your skills deals the most stagger in a certain amount of time.
Very nice video, im asking myself tho, because you did the example with weakpoint with the 8 man abysal, does every skill give weakpoint? Because im pretty sure ppl dont know that you need that for the 2 ladys, but we always cleared them anyways even without weakpoint skills, does that mean every skill gives a tiny bit of weakpoint? I hope the question was understandable ^^
Most likely it's because people will just spam most of their abilities, hoping it will work, and in the case of that abyssal dungeon their shiled is not hard to break at all. I'm pretty sure only skills with at least Weak Point lvl 1 deal any weak point damage, even with the use of Corrosive Bombs.
Great video thanks for sharing!
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Great video! Your video should be mandatory for all pugs before entering dungeons. We'll done, sir.
Niceee I was curious why I would always have the highest stagger damage when I wasn’t doing anything out the ordinary
great stuff!
Thank you, Great video
if I use high stagger skill on my opponent in pvp, is it harder for them to escape compared to lower stagger skills?
PVP works really differently and i'm not exactly sure about it's systems. I'd recommend watching Lin-0's video guides for that.
What is this Underground Ossuary quest? Don't think I've done that..
If you're refering to the quest at the end of the video, that's on Metus Island.
@@Nolph97 Ohhh okay. And yes, I was sorry. :D Thanks for replying
@@ino145 It's alright, i'm happy to help! :D
Thanks, good video
I find the mechanics surrounding Stagger pretty negligible. I mean all skills have a long cooldown anyway. You take the skill that isn't on cooldown anyway. What else to do? Standing around and not doing any damage? So the boss gets my stagger skills anyway when they're ready.
It's really class dependent. If you say that, I'm guessing your class has a reasonable amount of stagger. Not all classes have that luxury, and as a result in a lot of cases they need to save their staggering skills for when a stagger check occurs. Of course you don't want to sacrifice DPS either, so you need to find a good balance.
certain skills do more stagger damage than others, you don’t just throw random skills at the boss hoping it’s optimal because that is more often than not the cause of a wipe
How can you catch something that doesn't exist? Big n00b
thank you so much
gunslinger is so dam fun to play
It really is. The more time I spend playing the class, the more attached I become to the playstyle.
Why have i never seen the crosshair for weakpoint in 180+ hours gametime lol. Is there a setting or something?
I don't think there's a setting for it. It's a pretty rare occurence, so maybe you just didn't notice whenever it was on your screen.
Why are dmg numbers on some of my attacks blue color?
I actually don't know, i've never seen blue damage numbers myself. Only text like "invincible" when I'm not high ilvl enough to deal damage to the target or when guardians move locations etc.
@@Nolph97 Oh no,no not in the fight, in description of skills, explains what attack does and says exp 20.000 dmg in blue color
@@bain8686 I'm not entirely sure, but I think it might be to state total damage. Gunlancer's aoe lighting ability has a talent that adds a secondary hit with blue damage text in the tooltip. When testing target dummies that talent's tooltip damage matched the total damage inflicted from the ability with the talent's second hit.
@@bain8686 i'm pretty sure that blue text refers to the damage over time numbers. Not sure how it exactly works, though. By looking at one skill's describtion with blue text on Gunslinger, my guess is that the blue number is the damage that keeps getting inflicted while the DOT is in effect.
Thanks 👍
thanks
After 20sec i just realized you has to be from Hungary, i got your accent :))
I didn’t know there was a weak check, the tutorial in game is horrible. I just thought all boss have an armour that require weak point skill to damage
The real question here is why aren't you opening your card packs?!
To save some space, because the card storage is pretty limited, unless you spend blue crystals on it, and I dont want to fill my entire storage with cards. :D
Thank you si much
Your voice couldn't be more in tune with the music. I feel like im in a restaurant. Ty for the tips.
Are you from Hungary?
Yeah I am. Lot of people seem to notice, guess I have a pretty rough accent. :D
Nice vid
every player should watch your video before doing guardians.
1:39 not true, you can counter from the side aswell, if you manage to hit the head, done it countless times. Not sure about from the back though.
btw gunslinger has a lot of weak point skills in her pistol abilities :D
Is that so? Just by looking at the tooltips and the tripods I can't seem to find any info about it.
@@Nolph97 spiral tracker, equilibrium, dexterous shot all have a weakness debuff
@@umerahmed1039 Aah, you're confusing weak point damage with party buffs. Those skills with the correct tripods debuff enemies, but that's not the weak point damage type that the video is about.
ez counter tip, if you can, taunt the boss while it's blue to have it face you(and just stand there for a couple seconds) for a free counter
fun fact, if you taunt a boss, it’ll cancel the current attack it’s doing, so it’ll cancel the counterable move and you’ll miss your chance to counter
Over a hundred hours in and I had no idea, game does a pretty bad job explaining this in my opinion.
Yeah sadly it does, and there's even more that the game doesn't explain well or at all. Most of it you either figure out yourself, or look for info online.
Because the game never explained any of this
it does, if u go to the training area from the guide menu. I don't remember if it teaches u about weak point in particular, and they don't tell you about battle items, but I remember finishing a stagger and counter tutorial there
are you a robot ? or a translator is speaking !
Stagger damague
Countering isn't exactly mandatory.
You might think that now, but it's a mechanic that will be included in raids such as legion raids in the future, where you have to land counters, and in some cases avoid countering, in order to not die or wipe the party.
Wtf do u mean countering is mandatory in any situations, it’s mechanics that you will have to get used to especially in legion raids. It also give room for damage while the boss is down. It is just the same as weak point.
so another BAD guide about stager and weak points. Most of Gunslinger stagger is Catastrophy x/3/3 . also you not say about tripods and how they can change x2 stager and weak points pr even x3. like catasttrophy x/x/3 tripod
Why. Does. He. Talk. With. Those. Weird. Pauses.
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If they keep going with malding casuals and nerfs soon there will be no MECHANICS
I see why you say that, but to be fair all the content leading up to T3, and to the content that's not released yet, is basically just an introduction to all these mechanics so you are already familiar with them when the more long-term and more challenging content is released. Therefore I personally don't mind them nerfing the currently available content but that's just what I think.
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Otherwise very usefull video, i wish all random PUGers have seen it.
I know it's annoying, sorry. Had to do a lot of editing and recording, because I was still sick and was losing my voice a little. Hope you can still get the info you need out of it.
thanks so much