How is the Ibanez TSV808 different from the NTS or TSmini?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The Vemuram version of the Ibanez Tube Screamer clocks in at a mighty €499! Is it worth it? Is is really better than the standard green box or even the NTS which is powered by a Nutube? We'll find out!
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The Nutube sounds even better with 18v going through it. Also the blend knob makes a massive difference with fine tuning your tone preference. Cheers
Since you're a technical guy here my explanation; A tubescreamer adds an extra tube stage to a preamp externally. Either you want it to boost (saturating the tubes) or keep levels low and enhance harmonics. It saturates soft, blends the clean signal and has a narrow bandwidth, so works great with hard clipping (modern high-gain) amps too even at times transparently.
I think this was the most relevant review all of us humbucker users were looking for. Thank you so much!
Henning, your production quality is great.
I was surprised to find myself liking the nutube best, by quite a bit as well.
The nutubes are awesome. Like the bluamp stuff sounds awesome
@Rumy 73 I own a TS808, TS9, and the NTS, and prefer the NTS as well. If you run it at 18v, you have a little more headroom as well, which just adds a little more "punch". Not saying night and day, but a little none the less. With the mix knob @ 12:00, it's very similar in sound to the TS808, more to the right, is more of the NEW stuff which is introduced due to the NuTube tech.
Coped a NTS tubescreamer for 40 bucks with a catch a couple of days ago. The footswitch has a bit of a problem. It turns on a off sometimes. For the most part it's been working since I purchased it. I guess I can say it was a steal .
This just makes me want to buy the NTS. I have been fascinated by Nutubes since they were released, and the use in a TS pedal is actually quite nice since instead of a solid state stomp sound, it almost has a nice low wattage amp front end drive sound.
They all sounded good; just have to play and listen more and experiment for awhile to make up my mind
My opinion on Tube Screamers is limited because I never thought it was what my tone wanted. I got a free OD-1 with my SP-1 and that has been quite a bit of fun, I figured my green pedal could just be yellow. Recently the ensemble added a couple new members and one or so of them could perhaps feature some drive.
I have only ever regretted choosing a pedal when I considered price as a factor, and as near as I can figure it, the NuTube and the Vemuram sound like the kind that I like. Funny how that goes. 🤔
Would love to have seen the Handwired version in this. Great Vid !
Yup, the Vemuram is definitely the TS I'd choose. Thank you for the demo, Henning.
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Vemuram in the best !
My cat usually gets pissed off when I'm watching UA-cam, though she seemed VERY interested in this one... I think she's trying to tell me something 8^)
Vemuram sounds like a tubescreamer crossed with a blues driver.
Yeh or maybe more like a Jan Ray crossed with a Tubescreamer 😆
I run the Nu-tube screamer through my stereo set up. Going through the Earthquaker Swissthings pedal to my two amps, 1st is a Carvin X50B with 4x12 cab and the other is a Marshall jcm800 4010 combo. That Nu tube screamer adds something like a HD (high definition) sound, very almost 3D it's really hard to explain. It's an amazing pedal, I gain stack it with my Zakk Wylde overdrive and it's just an amazing pedal, very underrated. I like it much better then the original.
Great video, awesome, cheers!
I run my nu tube through 18v a lot more push, and headroom.
In 35+ years playing I never used a tube screamer. So I bought one, some Maxon Anniversary Edition. Good pedal. But the truth is: I still don't need it. I boost with a Spark or the Tim Pierce Pedal. Or add Marshall distortion with the SL Drive. Or thicken up with the Friedman Motor City Drive. Or make it brutal with Friedmans BE-OD pedal. No complaints here: good video, and the TS is a classic. And yes, I did send the Maxon back.
To me the Nutube screamer really shines with a JCM 800.
A NuTube is less a tube and more display from a Calculator / VCR (vacuum fluorescent display - VFD) ... Was fancy in the 80's ... Not to mistake for a NixiTube, that's something different - Nixi is a glow discharge lamp.
Just buy the JHS bonzai.. something like 8 different tube screams in one pedal and it’s about £180. I am have one and it’s great.
Andy Lord not even the same ballpark as the tsv 808 . I can’t believe how wonderful this pedal is . No disrespect as the bonsai is a nice pedal but this tsv is in a league all on it’s own . It’s like a tubescreamer that’s more pissed w/ loads more gain and low end . It also compresses the way a tubescreamer does through a fender amp giving you that Texas blues spank . Every vemuram pedal I’ve tried blows me away . Anyway just my two cents enjoy your sounds my man .
@@rocker801 I agree. I owned many Tube Screamers, including a Bonsai. Recently bought a TSV808 after really loving the Jan Ray and always loving a TS-808 for the last 20 years and I was blown away. Sold the Bonsai. It’s a great pedal but the Vemuram is as good as it gets. It’s what I’ve always wanted from a pedal and I’ll never sell it. The brass enclosure with the green tint in amazing too. Super high quality. I then decided to purchase the Vemuram Josh Smith Myriad Fuzz and it’s the best fuzz pedal I’ve ever played. It’s Germanium and Silicon and you can externally bias the germanium. It does everything including cleaning up really well. I’ll bought and sold over 65 pedals but ill never sell my Vemuram Jan Ray, TSV808 or the Myriad Fuzz. I’d rather spend the money on a pedal I absolutely love and will never sell then buy 5-10 pedals trying to find the sound I’m looking for. In the end, you spend 5 times as much buying decent pedals instead of one great pedal.
Compare it to joyo vintage overdrive
The three are really great and it's true that the Vemuram brings something different, but... I'm a bit skeptical about the price. 500 euros for an overdrive... It's different than the Tube Screamer ok, fatter etc, high end quality, etc, alright, but still... I'm quite sure there are overdrives out there that could do the exact same job, costing at least half the price.
Come on, it's even more than the double of a regular 808 ! OK, I understand people have to pay for quality and it's clearly a quality product, but it's... Only an overdrive in the end... But each one is free to do whatever he wills with his bank account, of course ! :D
I'll say it ain't worth it. If I ever get the wild idea to spend over $400 on an overdrive pedal then I would rather spend it on an Effectrode Tube Drive instead of this pedal. At least the Effectrode Tube Drive is worth its price.
@@TheNocturnalEvil Agreed. I cant even say I prefer this one to the cheapo tube screamer. Adding all the bass in defeats the point!
And yeah...effectrode pedals are actually worth that money. Worth noting these pedals are now going for 2k, not 400
@@CarlyonProduction 2k for this pedal is plain stupid. Pedal collectors have surely gone crazy.
Effectrode Tube Drive was nice (previous owner), but needed lower gain tubes (12AT7 was my preference). Otherwise there was no gain sweep. Through a very clean amp (Victoria Golden Melody). Also, it’s massive. Expect a lot of pedalboard ‘real estate’.
The Tube Screamer Mini would cover me fine. I agree with your assessment but for price difference I like the mini.... not what she said.... such is my life. Thanks for vid.
The mini is actually my favourite TS in production right now
Really wanted the Nutube screamer but couldnt find it and sweetwater wont send it to mex. Now there is but just got another. Will check the video in case is worth it but doubt ill buy it right away
Al final del dia suenan todos igual, es todo marketing. diferencias minimas de saturacion que se pueden regular a traves del amplificador y los controles de la guitarra.
9:00 Sounds like a real amp. Like a Marshall. 👌
I'm undecided I like that chunky sound when I play thanks for sharing that Peace
Not a big fan of Tube Screamers but thanks to you I now want one. :)
Right off I love how the Tube Screamer Mini cutout looks like the pedal was bent in a bus accident or something...
yeah aahhaha
How to sell a butt-ton of TS Minis....
Talking about indication leds: a guitarstudent of mine brought her new pedal to her guitar lesson a few months ago. It sounded awesome, but the blue led was so bright that I simply couldn’t look at the knobs while tweaking the settings.
Sounds like an MXR. I love my Analog Chorus, but did they have to make the light that bright? When playing in low light I can't see anything around it because of the glare. I had the same problem with the MXR Smart Gate that I used to own (good gate, but not so great when switching from high gain to clean; ISP Decimator II G-String all the way!).
It’s close because the nu-tube yoke is basically a transistor
No it isn‘t
Erlannd Errantem yep it is
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It’s a Casio calculator.
Pretty darn good review from someone who "doesn't know anything about it". Great content and comparison (better than most). I NOW HAVE KNOWLEDGE! Sorry but I have to add that the commercial about the drone is a "WATCH OUT!". Check the scam reviews for yourself.
why is there a Helix in the corner of the picture? something coming demo-wise? or "product placement"? :)
I already did a video on it AND it is product placement
My choice is nts!! Nts has more clarity and bite at the same time
The main difference is about $300
Doesn’t Ibanez make a model of tubescreamer with an actual real tube, or is that Maxon? I feel the mini could easily be modded with an original 4558 chip from the 70s and those blue/white stripes diodes installed - and then it would sound exactly like the best tubescreamer there is!
Ibanez used to make the Tube King TK999US and TK999OD overdrive pedals that used real 12AX7 tubes. They weren't Tube Screamers though. They were clones of the Tube Works Real Tube Overdrive pedal which itself was based on BK Butler Tube Driver. Compared to the highly sought after Tube Works Real Tube Overdrive and BK Butler Tube Driver, those two clones by Ibanez were substantially more affordable. The Maxon RTO700 is the further evolution of those two pedals. They belong to a completely different family of overdrive pedals and have no similarity to the Tube Screamer. All of them use an undervolted 12AX7 tube running at 12.6 volts to make the signal clip, they don't use any solid-state clipping stage. Due to this reason Overdrive pedals belonging to the BK Butler Tube Driver family sound way richer in harmonics than Tube Screamer.
As for Tube Screamer pedals with tubes. Ibanez makes the Nutube based Tube Screamer. Maxon on the other hand makes the TOD-9 which is a subminiature tube-based Tube Screamer. Among them, the Maxon TOD-9 is better because the subminiature tube responds more like a full-size vacuum tube than the Nutube. However, TBH their tube-based stage is just a farce, both of them use solid-state clipping stage to clip the signal.
If you want tube-based overdrive pedals that not only use pure tube-based cascaded gain stages but also run their tubes at full 300 volts or 200 volts plate voltage then go for the ones made by Effectrode, Kingsley, or Sushi Box FX. Unlike other fake tube-based pedals, these pedals use multiple cascaded pure tube-based gain stages for clipping the signal. The ones made by Sushi Box FX are quite unique because they use cascaded sub-miniature tube-based gain stages and their sub-miniature tubes run at full 200 volts. The ones made by Kingsley are a lot bulkier because they use full-size 12AX7 tubes running at 300 volts. The ones made by Effectrode are complete monsters that not only run full-size tubes at 300 volts but also let you hot-swap the tubes to change the gain characteristics of the overdrive pedal.
TheNocturnalEvil great information! I also have some of Vox tone garage pedals, the 12AX7 tube is being run at a full 200 volts, the previous cool tron series was 12 volts and a bit of a farce as well
@@voxpathfinder15r Those Tone Garage pedals were really underrated. However, among the Tone Garage pedals, only the Flat 4 Boost used a pure tube-based circuitry, and it was an excellent pedal. If only VOX would have marketed the Flat 4 better they would have smoked pedals like TC Electronic Spark Booster into weeds. When you put the Flat 4 into mid-boost mode it even curb stomps dedicated mid-boost pedals like the VFE Focus, and VFE Standout.
The Straight 6 Overdrive and V8 Distortion used transistors before the 12AX7 based gain stage though. The reason VOX chose to use transistors before the 12AX7 gain stage instead of pure cascading tube-based gain stages with multiple tubes is quite understandable. They had size, price, and production scale constraints.
Pure tube-based overdrive pedals with multiple cascading tube gain-stages like the ones made by Effectrode and Kingsley tend to be quite pricey and bulky. Effectrode Tube Drive is a rather impractically large pedal. Most effect pedals buyers ain't willing to spend over $400 on an overdrive pedal and those who are willing to spend high don't prefer huge and bulky effect pedals.
The ones made by Sushi Box FX are reasonably priced and are compact (because they use Russian subminiature tubes) but they're not suitable for large scale production. Large scale production requires parts that are currently in production so as to ensure a constant supply of parts. Using new old stock Cold-War era Russian subminiature tubes is impractical for large scale production because their supply is never constant, sometimes you find a huge stockpile of them, and at other times you find none.
TheNocturnalEvil the tone garage pedals are awesome!!! I think what they did with the pedals is similar to what they did with the AC10- 2 of the 4 gain stages are transistors, with just a single preamp tube. And everyone seems to love that amp
Vemuram like a boss bd2 ton of bass not for CHUGGA CHUGGA, the NTS is more like a cranked marshall, its got this “chunkchunk” when palm muting maybe good for stand alone, and t mini only best for boosting...i guess since i dont have them LOL
I like the TSV .
TSV sounds glorious
Get That JHS , Yes exactly…. Has all or Most Flavors of the TS
the lights suck, lol funny
thanks for the review! i do feel opposite about use for the nu vs v, id be using that v way more for aggressive, n let my amp do the top end... also inteesting you left the tone centered, i wouldve turned the level and tone up to balance
vemuran is the smoothest
Did you say your cat's name was Zaphod? Like, as in...Beeblebrox?
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Well 20 watts isn't "redoculiss" geez I often record thru a solid-state Vox Berkeley ll because it sounds wonderful on tape.. not so much live.. I have 3 old tube screamers (1980ish I bought new) and actually they all sound a bit different? No carbon copy here? Lol.. I have a cheap Joyo that sounds better then the lot of them in actual practice.. the new tube is also different in a good way..
My Leqtique MAR pedal puts them all in a left pocket.
Same knob (hp), different price 🌴
New tube is the best trust me I had several tube screamers
Compare it to the $23 Berringer T800 because it's the best.
I die laughing at the way he does explain and this 6:46
i wish i could play like this guy,,,,,, i got 7 guitars and cant play 1
How many hours do you play every day?
I always want to criticise you but can’t especially when you start playing. But I will eventually of that you can be sure
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499 Euro.... lol... I am happy with my (highly recommended!) HB Vintage Overdrive, that costs one 16th part of the TSV! I bet you can't hear much (any?) difference in a mix. Even the differences between the 3 Ibanez TS Models are - let's say - tiny. Today's world is really weird. Just my opinion....
Just get a Keeley Red Dirt and call it a day!
TSV808 sounds more natural
I ,had fun, learned nothing and liked the NTS most, aside from the llamas of course
No drama from yo mommas llamas or are those alpacas ??? See I learned nothing 😂🦙
So you never lived with llamas, eh? I hear Camels have attitude problems, and I know that Dolly was a real piece of work. Llamas are strictly for other-people's-property. They use them for new-age perimeter security in countries where they restrict machine-guns. YMMV
And they can spit like a champ too 😃
I've seem both alpacas and llamas in Peru...was told by a native one's a closet relative to sheep...evoke the other, closer to the camel...so something happened there between camels and sheep... I'm guessing! The alpacas seem more tame...one came right up to my sweetie and gave her kisses! No joke! I'll post on my Instagram...if you're interested! 😎🎸
I think the brown one looked like a llama, and the two white ones were alpacas?
@@hoboroadie You do know it is ILLEGAL for single men to own female llamas in Peru right?
Not a fan of any those dirt pedals! Just turn up the gain GAIN GAIN and now roll back the guitar volume - perfect !!!!!
I think you're funny HP
They all sound a little... mermaid
A lot of face to wash
Put it into 30 amps
As much as I love ya Henna.... and as much as I have a vague interest in the look of this video... Im not spending near half an hour of my life watching it! You gotta get em down to 10minutes, Brother. Like, 12-13 mins max..
well... there are more than enough people who prefer the in depth look... and when going into multiple amps with 3 different pedals... that takes time.... I guess I just have to live without your click, sorry.
EytschPi42 hahaha, hey don't takethis morning Luey too seriously, I think he was cranky there was no coffee! But seriously, I wasn't even really paying attention, I was getting ready for the day. You guys put a lot into making these videos - and they entertain me a lot - so I apologize. Really, it must get annoying when every couch potato is a critic.
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@@EytschPi42 I definitely prefer the in depth look. Really helps you hear slight differences and tone and playing 3 pedals through different amps is something most channels do not do and we all know the amp and speaker combo make a huge difference in how the pedal will sound. Good work sir.
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Ibanez didn't pay enough, so you didn't use an Ibanez guitar
I use whatever guitar makes sense for the review... that never has anything to do with someone paying or not.
@@EytschPi42 Yeah, I know that dude
It was a dumb joke
Don't worry, I don't hear a Tube in this NTS either... xD