Will Turner Thanks! I worked so hard to be one and I got so lucky to get a good school. These times with corona are rough but, I’m gonna pull my kiddos through.
In all fairness, Queen Marie Antoinette wasn't doing anything different than any other French royal of the period. They ALL lived lavishly and spent ridiculously.
I wouldn’t have wanted to marry King Ferdinand And would have thought the betrothal was cursed too if I already saw 3 of my sisters die after being betrothed to him.
@@toughtittypdiddy4634 hasn't stopped them from having 18 Kids which means they Slept Together and have had Sex Together 18 Eighteen Times while apparently still Hating each other
@@monabohamad2242 You ignore the fact that Queen's and princess had no choice to deny their husband sex, so if they tried to refuse they would have just been forced to copulate one way or another. Also having sex with someone doesn't mean you like them either.
9:13 wait till you hear her real story, about her life in France, she’s really the saddest of them all Marie’s Last Words: “Pardonnez-moi monsieur, je ne le pensais pas” which translate to “Pardon me sir, I did not mean it” because she stepped on the executioners foot on accident
I always felt bad for her too. Granted, she shouldn't of been a leader of a country, but I think she deserved better. Knowing how she got to France, being stripped naked to collect her Austrian clothing is terrible enough, but her very ignoble end is far worse. The way she was treated in prison was abominable, let the woman change her sanitaries without being stared at! Although, what happened to the Dauphin was a million times more heartbreaking...and what happened to the Princess de Lamballe was equally horrific.
nomine * DONT REMIND ME OF HER 😭 Princess Lambelle was more loyal to Marie than Louis’ sister. Marie was really a child, her husband didn’t love her, as much as she tried to love him. And then people though she had an affair and even if she did, I don’t blame her 🤷🏾♀️
Not that I wanna come across as nitpicking because the English translation tells us all we need to know, but...I've heard variants in French of the first part of the quotation ('Pardonnez-moi, monsieur' and 'Monsieur, je vous demande excuse'), but I've never heard it said anywhere that the second part was 'je ne le pensais pas', which indeed doesn't translate as 'I did not mean it'. 'Je ne l’ai pas fait exprès' were her last words.
I remember reading Marie Antoinette’s The Royal Diaries when I was a tween and getting a stark look at just how much growing up princesses had to do at my age. Reading both her diary, and Anastasia Romanov’s, even though fictionalized in their entries, was a great look at how similar yet different girls like me were in history, even though they were royal. As an adult, I’ve kept up my teenage curiosity and I love biographies like these who bring strong women’s stories to life!
Rachel S I’d so love for our Lindsay to do in-depth videos on the Romanova girls. All four were so different, and I think had Russia not had the male-line only rules, Olga would have made an amazing Empress after her father. I say this because so many things wouldn’t have happened had the focus not been on Alexei’s health and their parents would not have been so stressed out from just trying to have him.
Rachel S I liked the book, but I felt it portrayed Maria Antonia as having no short term memory and being pretty, yet stupid and frivolous.I feel that there was more to her than that.
Corsets really be doing that tho Edit: y’all ik corsets don’t rlly do that I was joking lmao Edit 2: once again, I am joking. Ik corsets don’t actually do that lmfao
I believe Marie Antoinette was a victim of circumstance and her times. Married off at 14-15 and sent away from her family to a place a lot different than she was used to, forced to leave all her possessions from Austria at the border (she couldn't even keep a ribbon of her clothes), to a court full of scheming evil people, a quite indifferent husband (who wasn't to blame either, a shy guy married to a stranger at 15-16), etc. Of course she reacted badly to it. Gambling, games, shows, balls and clothes were a distraction for an 18 year old who lacked affection since she was still a child. Yes, it was her fault that she didn't kind of smarten up with time, but also what happens to us as children repercutes in adulthood and not everyone handles it well. Then the sexist mentality that if you're not pregnant you're not a real woman, you must seduce your husband, it's your fault not the man's, but if you are pregnant it better be a boy, all of this while still being a teenager. As if being 20yo and a virgin was a crime. The gossip and hearsay and all made it so easy to tarnish her reputation without her having a clue, and when she knew she maybe thought it wasn't that bad. Calling a woman a whore is the easiest path, unfortunately. Also, some people just aren't cut to rule, or even to more common things like academics. Then when everything started to go down, she was just a woman scared for her children and stripped down to nothing. I love her and her story, because it is so sad and unfair. And not because she was a rich woman who lost her fortune, but because she was used and abused since childhood in the plots of everyone else, and went down in history as an evil queen who didn't care.
Also, I don't think the revolution as a whole was bad. Social change is inevitable and necessary, and the French Revolution paved the way to many great things over time. I just feel sad some people were treated the way they were treated, and the blames were applied unfairly. But that is usually how it goes down.
I kinda feel bad for Louis and Marie Antoinnette. I feel they really wanted to make it up to the people but didn't know how. Though that doesnt mean that spending all of Frances money was justified but they really just felt like kids in powerful posicions.
Let me say one or two things before I make my case; I am strongly opposed to monarchies on principle I despise the way nobility treated their subjects But France bankrupted itself in a war, not because of the king living, well, as it was expected of him. France was an empire, even having beaten back the Habsburg legacy during the thirty years war - the point is that the king just got unlucky. France lost the war and it cost him and his wife their life.
To quote Oscar Wilde: "To the thinker, the most tragic fact in the whole of the French Revolution is not that Marie Antoinette was killed for being a queen, but that the starved peasant of the Vendée voluntarily went out to die for the hideous cause of feudalism." The revolution was ultimately a good thing. It got rid of the horrible, oppressive and cruel system of aristocratic rule, ushered in the modern age in Europe, and paved way for the ideas of democracy, liberalism and socialism. That said, even if she wasn't completely innocent, I do think that it was wrong to execute Marie Antoinette - and it really only made the autocratic monarchs around Europe even more intent on crushing the revolution, which in turn turned the much needed revolution turn into the horrible Reign of Terror under Robespierre.
I don't think there was any way to bring democracy to France other than extreme bloodshed. It didn't help that, once the Queen was killed, the revolutionaries turned against each other. "Freedom fighters" soon became authoritarians in their own right. There were plenty of external forces stoking the madness, but plenty of internal ones as well. I think the only reason the world is in better shape today is that we have the technology to feed a lot more people now, plus foods from the New World, which provide more calories per bushel than wheat ever could.
Queen consorts are generally not executed. Perhaps exiled to a convent which was considered many times throughout the years. But Louis XVI refused as he truly did love his wife. Marie herself had many opportunities to escape but remained firmly by his side until the end. After Louis XVI’s execution, she should have been allowed to return home to Austria as per her marriage contract. Therefore her execution was wholly a political one. Sparked by the Austrian advance on Paris, it was meant to unite all of the French regardless of which side of the revolution they supported by her blood. Marie Antoinette never stood a chance the moment she stepped onto French territory. She had married into a kingdom headed towards disaster as a result of Louis XV. In the eyes of the French, everything she did was wrong. Her death was already decided on and the trial was a mockery of justice. Ultimately the French Revolution of 1789 failed to accomplish what it set out to do. Instead it became an excuse to butcher and murder thousands. France would see a century of turmoil as successive revolutions, Kings (Louis XVIII and Charles X) and Emperors (Napoleon and Napoleon III) came and went. All were overthrown with the exception of Louis XVIII who died during his reign. It wouldn’t be until the French were defeated in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, that the Second French Empire was dissolved and republicanism was fully embraced.
@Rodrigo Santos Valeriano there were multiple stages of the Terror; normally coinciding with how bad the war was going at the time (the girondin ministries foolish rush to war was one of the biggest causes of the Terror in general). The worst stage of the terror (aside from the demented local Jacobins in the Vendée and in Lyon) was that led by Robespierre directly after he executed his former ally and "indulgent" moderate Georges Danton and his faction.
Fun fact: when i was reading a book about mozart, when he was 7 years old, he went to Vienna to meet the empress and perform in front of her, then he met Marie Antoinette and he asked to marry her and the entire crowd was dying of laughter as she was engaged to Louis XVI (I don’t know the exact roman numerals of his title)
If anyone is ever in Paris, definitely recommend visiting Versailles. The palace gardens, petit Trianon, and the hamlet are all breath takingling beautiful. I've been there twice and both were amazing!
Ashley T The french are nasty, the politics is shitty, their armpits are stink, they killed their King and Queen then all hell broke loose after that 🤦🏻♂️
Well done Linday, the part about Antoinette satisfied my expectations. As a fan of the Rose of Versailles the queen is one of my favourite historical characters. I thank you and wait patiently for the video about Marie Antoinette only.
I liked the Rose of Versailles manga/anime for providing a nuanced view of the conflict. There were good people and monsters on both sides of the Revolution. Give it a read/watch if you haven't already!
An interesting and important note is that the escape attempt by Marie and Louie was slowed down and far less inconspicuous because Marie Antoinette refused to travel without all her clothes and luxuries she wanted. It was very obvious that important people were traveling by the amount of servants and baggage being transported and at such a slow pace with many, many rest stops along the way
@@saratrice3051 There was a lot of emphasis in those times of a family name living on and the death of young children was common. The result was a name of a child that had died, most usually males, being used again for the next born after. I actually find it more creepy that parents will name their children exactly after themselves.
@@aureyd2515 I agree with you there on parents naming kids after themselves being creepy. Was it a pride thing? Another way to carry on the family name?
10:06, fun fact, that is actually a portrait of Maria Josepha, Marie Antoinette’s older sister. It was recently discovered by several art historians in Vienna. The portrait is attributed to be the late Maria Josepha, and it was painted in 1767, the year that she died.
By the way, I read recently that after her death, the portrait was incomplete, so it was removed/added details to be Marie Antoinette, that's why it's popular to be her, because it was her sis josepha, than her. If that was true, then honestly I that's a Lil bit disturbing, Imagine painting your face over your newly deceased sibling. However it's not uncommon. In the portrait of Marie Antoinette with her children by Elizabeth le brun (royal painter of Antonia), baby Sophie was there,, but when she passed out, before her first birthday, she was removed and painted out of the portrait, that's why you can find both versions, one with Sophie, and one with an empty place. It's a sad thing if you ask me, I don't know how much a professional painter while take to made one portrait according to standards of the 1700's, But being a little artist t myself, I suppose it take Atleast months, that's why it was a little acceptable to remove the newly dead persons if it's needed
I hope we get more of Marie Carolina and Marie Amalia. Mostly because we already know so much about Marie Antoinette that we often forget how amazing her other two sisters were.
@@mazerunner1339I am a history nerd so yeah, if you didn't count those who died very early, it's : Maria Anna Maria Christina Maria Elizabeth Maria amalia Maria Johanna Marie josèpha Maria carolina Maria Antonia, Those who died young : Maria Elizabeth Marie carolina the first Maria carolina the second In total, 11 dauther
The histores of each one of Maria Theresa's children is quite fascinating, and even more AMAZING how she and Francis I were able to conceive 16 children... that is a remarkable accomplishment, to say the least. XD I'm curious about the sons' respective tales though, now that the daughters' tales had been told! :D
Not just that, but she also seems to have never miscarried, and it's almost miraculous she survived so many pregnancies in an era where hygiene was nonexistent, nutrition was often poor even for the rich, and even minor complications in pregnancy or birth were fatal more often than not. Most of her children at least made it out of childhood, too, even if not by much in some cases.She must have been an incredibly healthy woman in spite of the time period.
Fun Fact: Marie only had one child left after she died, her 2 youngest both died before the French Revolution and Louis(elder) got beaten to death, her last daughter was the longest living daughter of Marie Antonia
Great video! ♡ Something else I think would be interesting is a video about OTMA (the daughters of Tsar Nicolas II and Alexandra Feodorovna). They were really fascinating and lovely people. Love your channel :)
For the first time in my life, my love for History has been kindled and I am ~ 75! :) Thank you for taking so much pain in creating these interesting and informative videos.
I had watched a documentary on Marie Antoinette and they had said that when she and her family tried to escape France they were actually caught by a former cavalry officer who was riding in the area, and not a peasant. Just wanted to clarify?... does anyone know which one is true 😂. Apparently the plan was doomed to fail anyway because they travelled in a luxurious carriage with compartments for their gold dinner service! 🤦🏻♂️ it’s absolutely atrocious how she was treated but she was also very naïve. It wasn’t really her fault that she was naïve-she practically never left Versailles-, but she only learned the art of diplomacy once it was too late.
Every time I watch one of your videos I think, I want more detail but I also love the pace you keep- there’s just so many good stories within stories!!
Thank you for releasing this early, I’ve been waiting for the end of the month to watch this video because unfortunately I’m not able to be a patron yet... just a broke college student who is in a two week “shelter in place quarantine” in California. Again thank you and well done!
Lindsay, I love how this video was posted hours ago and there are already full blown discussions in the comments. 😂🤩. You and your videos are just That Good!!!😍❤️
That con-artist was Countess LaMotte, and she’s my ancestor. Even though what she did was not right I understand both sides. Anyways, thank you for including her because a lot of people never remember her part in all of it.
The scandal she caused was partly to blame for how the people turned on Marie Antoinette. LaMotte was a grifter and thief who contributed to the death of Marie and her 10 year old son, it’s not a connection I’d be all too proud of
At the time Paris had no sewage system. The rivers stank and were completely full of human waste. The King did nothing about it. So the people revolted. It was not only about the lack of food, but also due to the poor hygiene conditions, that the poor were forced to live in. The royal families were no subjected to this , as they lived away from Paris in the country sides. Hence the King and his family were hated , for his lack of action and care for his people.
I don’t know much about the French Revolution and the period of time when Marie Antoinette was queen of France but I think I know enough to say that she didn’t deserve what she got and I honestly feel bad for her.
As a french person I can tell you that what happened was necessary. French people at the time had it very rough. The clergy and the monarchy had many privileges and they did not really care much about poor people. Louis XVI was not a very good monarch. He never wanted to be king. What happened during that time was horrible but necessary. This was an important step for humans right.
DOUDOU LAPIN It wasn't Marie Antoinette’s and Louis XVI’s fault. Antionette’s only goal was to have heirs. She only lived lavishly because she was could. She also donated to the poor. They didn’t care because they hated Austrians. Perhaps her husband should’ve been the only one of the two that was killed, as it was his family’s misfortunes of the past.
“Maria Carolina was heartbroken when the French murdered her beloved sister” heartbroken is an understatement, most normal people (normal as in not sociopaths) are heartbroken when they lose a loved one. Maria Carolina was enraged, furious. She went about her palace breaking and smashing things, screaming at the top of her voice. There’s a film I saw a long time ago, I forget the name, but there’s a scene with the Queen of Naples doing just that. Ever since they assassinated her sister she refused to speak French which she named “that monstrous language” and remained fully francophobic. Personally, the French Revolution disgusts me. I’m half French and spent half my childhood in Lyon, and was never a fan of celebrating fête nationale (France’s « 4th of July ») once I was old enough to understand history. Because all I see is idiots becoming drunk waving French flags in the air without a clue of what they’re, in their mind, celebrating. So many French are ignorant of their history and are taught that monarchy=automatically bad. They forget our country had a crown for 99% of its existence, 1,500 years give or take...
How can you be french and at the same time say that the french revolution disgusts you? The french revolution was totally necessary. The monarchy had way too much power and too many privileges. The poor at the time had to live in extreme conditions. The monarchy never cared about them.
@@bananaborz1 I’m sorry but you cannot compare the French Revolution to the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a genocide. Innocent people were murdered for something they couldn’t control - their race. In the Revolution, it was more of a political mass murder. Saying the Holocaust and French Revolution was similar is HIGHLY disrespectful for the Jewish people.
@@bananaborz1 what about the innocent french peasantry that died as a result of the crowns incompetence and lack of social reform? do their lives not matter? does someone being born into a royal family inherently give their life more value?
No, she wasn't. It was a Christian thing to add the Maria to the names in honor of Mother Mary. None of them were actually called Maria Whathaveyou. They were called by the 2nd name.
Fantastic look at women and their role in history. Love the fact that you use your voice instead of the computer voice. Can't wait to see what you have next!
Your channel is always one of my favorites! I love anything to do with royalty! Maybe because I'm American and so we are intrigued by things we don't understand, but i love this channel and think you do an awesome job with it! Thank you so much for these!! They're my favorute. Especially, how you go in depth about the parents and then each child. Most channels just give basic facts, and I love how you go into detail!! Thanks again!!
In that day and age I would have much rather been a nun. Excuse me but the men just looked 👎 to be a nun in that time must have been like living in luxury.
Nuns from wealthy families or nobility tended to live pretty well in a convent. Some probably had a true calling and lived simply as other nuns, but several just carried on pretty much as they wanted.
Like always such a amazing video.Thank you very much for all the hard work and incredible detail in all your videos!I have always been fascinated with royal history but cant seem to find any reliable or interesting channels to watch from.If possible can you please make a video about charles the 2nd and his Portuguese wife catherine of braganza.I have recently been fascinated with their quite complex relationship(as charles had too many flirtations) but cant seem to find that much on the royal couple.💜💜
IS it true that the young King Louis (age 19) had advisor's who were dismissive of Antionette's input in affairs of state? What was a 17 yr. old girl to do? She suffered greatly to have her little son placed in a room where she could hear his screams from torture. The slanderous accusations, the show trial, all were a pattern repeated in history. How do people justify such cruelty?
Antoinette did not take an interest in affairs of state early on + Queens in France were not expected to be involved in affairs of state unless they were regents (Queens could not be regnants because of Salic Law) + Marie Antoinette was 18 when she ascended the throne, not 17. Marie would play more of a social role, she could use her money to fund artists, scientists etc and donate to charity and she could intercede with the King. However, she was not expected to be involved directly in pushing for political reform.
Thank you for part 2; really enjoyed it. I enjoy reading the biography of Queen Marie Antoinette! Can't wait for your next video! TYFS and stay safe and healthy 😊
As usual full of information and a useful way to separate fact from fiction. Just a little correction: Maria Carolina's husband Ferdinand IV of Naples was also King of Sicily as Ferdinand III (not II). Pity there was no mention of her strange but real friendship with Lady Hamilton.
The presentation was flawless. Other than one quibble, I didn't pick-up on any factual errors. But most importantly, the cadence/ intonation in your reading voice is exquisite. I subscribed and am looking forward to "hearing" more from you.
What became of Marie Antoinette's two children after being taken away from her and her death? I wonder what things would've been like if the royals had managed to escape successfully.
We Will Pauline Louis Charles died in prison, probably from tuberculosis or cholera. Marie Theresa lived to adulthood and married a French cousin, they never had any children though.
Her daughter lived to an old age, married but never had children. Marie Antoinette's eldest son died before the Revolution. Her youngest son was about 10 when he was imprisoned and basically forgotten. He died of neglect and possibly TB at around age 12. His dried heart was found several years ago and placed among the hearts of his ancestors. It was common to remove the monarch's heart for entombment separate from the body. Her youngest child died as an infant.
@@paulinetrivago.7540 her son was separated from her and hummiliated and tortured and finally neglected I feel so sorry for him Madame royale her first daughter survived to aduldhood but died childless..
We Will Pauline her son died, aged 10 while in captivity. Her daughter was exchanged for Austrian ( Prussian?) prisoners when she was 17. the poor girl was abused terribly in captivity, possible having born a child from rape. She lived 51 more years, married, no children.
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Would you happen to know why all her daughters were named Maria? Was it in honor of their mother or was Maria Theresa also named Maria in honor of someone else?
They were named Maria in honor of The Virgin Mary I guess,but it was just a pre-name for them. Maria Amalia was called Amalia,Maria Antonia was called Antonia and Maria Elizabeth was called Elizabeth etc.
Im so glad you released this! As a teacher I’m looking for more ways to teach my World History Students and these videos are just magnificent 😍 !
Bruno Bucciarati oh well congratulations being a teacher
Will Turner Thanks! I worked so hard to be one and I got so lucky to get a good school. These times with corona are rough but, I’m gonna pull my kiddos through.
Congrats on being a teacher keep up educating our children❤️
Bruno, what are you doing here? Aren't you supposed to spend time with your adopted children? (Jojo reference) ;-;
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"bruh my wife/husband is UGLY" *Proceeds to have 18 children together*
I mean, you have to have heirs.
I like your username.
Ur user explains everything
Sex was for procreation at the time, and couples were supposed to have kids whether they liked each other or not.
I mean... she had children... you cannot be certain they were HIS children 😏
In all fairness, Queen Marie Antoinette wasn't doing anything different than any other French royal of the period. They ALL lived lavishly and spent ridiculously.
She wasn't a bad person.
She was ordered to do that since she's a 'queen'.
I think she did not no better
Jennifer Brewer I know right
Veronica Simons I agree with that too I did not think she dserver to die
I always felt so sorry for Maria Josepha...her worst nightmare was dying of smallpox and that nightmare became reality.
I wouldn’t have wanted to marry King Ferdinand And would have thought the betrothal was cursed too if I already saw 3 of my sisters die after being betrothed to him.
Only 2 died, the eldest was thought to be too old for him.
Wasn’t he one obstinate bloke!
Ivy Ruonakoski thank you for the correction. Still would have thought it was a curse
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hasn't stopped them from having 18 Kids which means they Slept Together and have had Sex Together 18 Eighteen Times while apparently still Hating each other
@@monabohamad2242 You ignore the fact that Queen's and princess had no choice to deny their husband sex, so if they tried to refuse they would have just been forced to copulate one way or another. Also having sex with someone doesn't mean you like them either.
9:13 wait till you hear her real story, about her life in France, she’s really the saddest of them all
Marie’s Last Words: “Pardonnez-moi monsieur, je ne le pensais pas” which translate to “Pardon me sir, I did not mean it” because she stepped on the executioners foot on accident
I always felt bad for her too. Granted, she shouldn't of been a leader of a country, but I think she deserved better. Knowing how she got to France, being stripped naked to collect her Austrian clothing is terrible enough, but her very ignoble end is far worse. The way she was treated in prison was abominable, let the woman change her sanitaries without being stared at! Although, what happened to the Dauphin was a million times more heartbreaking...and what happened to the Princess de Lamballe was equally horrific.
nomine * DONT REMIND ME OF HER 😭 Princess Lambelle was more loyal to Marie than Louis’ sister. Marie was really a child, her husband didn’t love her, as much as she tried to love him. And then people though she had an affair and even if she did, I don’t blame her 🤷🏾♀️
The genteel Manners of true royalty
She always came off as polite to me, and her final words seem to confirm that
Not that I wanna come across as nitpicking because the English translation tells us all we need to know, but...I've heard variants in French of the first part of the quotation ('Pardonnez-moi, monsieur' and 'Monsieur, je vous demande excuse'), but I've never heard it said anywhere that the second part was 'je ne le pensais pas', which indeed doesn't translate as 'I did not mean it'. 'Je ne l’ai pas fait exprès' were her last words.
I remember reading Marie Antoinette’s The Royal Diaries when I was a tween and getting a stark look at just how much growing up princesses had to do at my age. Reading both her diary, and Anastasia Romanov’s, even though fictionalized in their entries, was a great look at how similar yet different girls like me were in history, even though they were royal. As an adult, I’ve kept up my teenage curiosity and I love biographies like these who bring strong women’s stories to life!
Rachel S I’d so love for our Lindsay to do in-depth videos on the Romanova girls. All four were so different, and I think had Russia not had the male-line only rules, Olga would have made an amazing Empress after her father. I say this because so many things wouldn’t have happened had the focus not been on Alexei’s health and their parents would not have been so stressed out from just trying to have him.
Loved that book series!!!
Rachel S I liked the book, but I felt it portrayed Maria Antonia as having no short term memory and being pretty, yet stupid and frivolous.I feel that there was more to her than that.
Rachel S omg I had so many of those!!
..are you me
No one:
Their waists: \ /
Corsets really be doing that tho
Edit: y’all ik corsets don’t rlly do that I was joking lmao
Edit 2: once again, I am joking. Ik corsets don’t actually do that lmfao
The paintings are often exaggerated
21 century: can you breathe?
*Kim Kardashian West enters the chat*
@@chloedoile8409 Stays for that ideal conical shape of the 18th century.
I believe Marie Antoinette was a victim of circumstance and her times. Married off at 14-15 and sent away from her family to a place a lot different than she was used to, forced to leave all her possessions from Austria at the border (she couldn't even keep a ribbon of her clothes), to a court full of scheming evil people, a quite indifferent husband (who wasn't to blame either, a shy guy married to a stranger at 15-16), etc. Of course she reacted badly to it. Gambling, games, shows, balls and clothes were a distraction for an 18 year old who lacked affection since she was still a child. Yes, it was her fault that she didn't kind of smarten up with time, but also what happens to us as children repercutes in adulthood and not everyone handles it well. Then the sexist mentality that if you're not pregnant you're not a real woman, you must seduce your husband, it's your fault not the man's, but if you are pregnant it better be a boy, all of this while still being a teenager. As if being 20yo and a virgin was a crime. The gossip and hearsay and all made it so easy to tarnish her reputation without her having a clue, and when she knew she maybe thought it wasn't that bad. Calling a woman a whore is the easiest path, unfortunately. Also, some people just aren't cut to rule, or even to more common things like academics. Then when everything started to go down, she was just a woman scared for her children and stripped down to nothing. I love her and her story, because it is so sad and unfair. And not because she was a rich woman who lost her fortune, but because she was used and abused since childhood in the plots of everyone else, and went down in history as an evil queen who didn't care.
Also, I don't think the revolution as a whole was bad. Social change is inevitable and necessary, and the French Revolution paved the way to many great things over time. I just feel sad some people were treated the way they were treated, and the blames were applied unfairly. But that is usually how it goes down.
She was stupid.
She deserved what she got.
Ingrid Dubbel I bet you think you’re so quirky and not like other girls.
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Nah Speak for Yourself
@@P3891 LOL😂😅
How UGLY are king Ferdinand and his father??
@@connorbee9679 Now mom's syaing "you look like a prince!" has a totally new meaning
Downright nauseating 🤢
Most of these kings and queens were product of inbreeding. So.........
😂😂😂😂😂 I shouldn’t be laughing but omg
The children got his nose 8:19
May they rest in peace
Nobody accused a Hapsburg of being attractive.
Napoleon invading a country:
Oh, another one of those sisters!
True
Marie Antoinette faught guards who tried to take her son SHE IS BADASS SIS
aka she’s a real mother cause any mother would do that 😢
How many close relatives did you marry?
Habsburgs: yes
All royals ever tbh
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all married humans ever
This is the Habsburg-Lorraine not the Spanish Habsburgs. Learn to know the difference
Him: “She sleeps like the dead and sweats like a pig.”
Me: “oh no it me”
I kinda feel bad for Louis and Marie Antoinnette. I feel they really wanted to make it up to the people but didn't know how. Though that doesnt mean that spending all of Frances money was justified but they really just felt like kids in powerful posicions.
So did they. They actually prayed for Louis' grandfather not to die since they didn't feel as though they were up to the task of governing...
They didn't deserve to die, that's for sure
Let me say one or two things before I make my case;
I am strongly opposed to monarchies on principle
I despise the way nobility treated their subjects
But France bankrupted itself in a war, not because of the king living, well, as it was expected of him. France was an empire, even having beaten back the Habsburg legacy during the thirty years war - the point is that the king just got unlucky. France lost the war and it cost him and his wife their life.
A Lazy Artist but France had been taxing and spending for 100 years before Marie Antoinette- she was a scape goat
It took France 160 years after the revolution to get things settled. That money spending really was a pain in the ass for france
To quote Oscar Wilde: "To the thinker, the most tragic fact in the whole of the French Revolution is not that Marie Antoinette was killed for being a queen, but that the starved peasant of the Vendée voluntarily went out to die for the hideous cause of feudalism." The revolution was ultimately a good thing. It got rid of the horrible, oppressive and cruel system of aristocratic rule, ushered in the modern age in Europe, and paved way for the ideas of democracy, liberalism and socialism. That said, even if she wasn't completely innocent, I do think that it was wrong to execute Marie Antoinette - and it really only made the autocratic monarchs around Europe even more intent on crushing the revolution, which in turn turned the much needed revolution turn into the horrible Reign of Terror under Robespierre.
I don't think there was any way to bring democracy to France other than extreme bloodshed. It didn't help that, once the Queen was killed, the revolutionaries turned against each other. "Freedom fighters" soon became authoritarians in their own right. There were plenty of external forces stoking the madness, but plenty of internal ones as well. I think the only reason the world is in better shape today is that we have the technology to feed a lot more people now, plus foods from the New World, which provide more calories per bushel than wheat ever could.
Queen consorts are generally not executed. Perhaps exiled to a convent which was considered many times throughout the years. But Louis XVI refused as he truly did love his wife. Marie herself had many opportunities to escape but remained firmly by his side until the end. After Louis XVI’s execution, she should have been allowed to return home to Austria as per her marriage contract.
Therefore her execution was wholly a political one. Sparked by the Austrian advance on Paris, it was meant to unite all of the French regardless of which side of the revolution they supported by her blood.
Marie Antoinette never stood a chance the moment she stepped onto French territory. She had married into a kingdom headed towards disaster as a result of Louis XV. In the eyes of the French, everything she did was wrong. Her death was already decided on and the trial was a mockery of justice.
Ultimately the French Revolution of 1789 failed to accomplish what it set out to do. Instead it became an excuse to butcher and murder thousands. France would see a century of turmoil as successive revolutions, Kings (Louis XVIII and Charles X) and Emperors (Napoleon and Napoleon III) came and went. All were overthrown with the exception of Louis XVIII who died during his reign. It wouldn’t be until the French were defeated in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, that the Second French Empire was dissolved and republicanism was fully embraced.
Kevin Kim nice write up :)
@Rodrigo Santos Valeriano there were multiple stages of the Terror; normally coinciding with how bad the war was going at the time (the girondin ministries foolish rush to war was one of the biggest causes of the Terror in general). The worst stage of the terror (aside from the demented local Jacobins in the Vendée and in Lyon) was that led by Robespierre directly after he executed his former ally and "indulgent" moderate Georges Danton and his faction.
One could draw a sraight line from reign of terror to gas chamber,gulag,killing field,man made famine,police terror,organized mass murder.
Fun fact: when i was reading a book about mozart, when he was 7 years old, he went to Vienna to meet the empress and perform in front of her, then he met Marie Antoinette and he asked to marry her and the entire crowd was dying of laughter as she was engaged to Louis XVI (I don’t know the exact roman numerals of his title)
Like because at the time, she was engaged to a french prince Louis who later became King Louis XVI
Wandy Whilliams Marie Antoinette can’t be queen of france if she married mozart
He was the 16th
Finally, I'm stuck indoors and I need all the enrichment I can get
Peachs'nCreamPie same! 😁
Same 👍🏻
Maria Carolina is so underrated everyone talks about how Maria Theresa had 16 children when she had 18 and no ones talking about her
If anyone is ever in Paris, definitely recommend visiting Versailles. The palace gardens, petit Trianon, and the hamlet are all breath takingling beautiful. I've been there twice and both were amazing!
Fun fact: One of the main reasons the French did not like Louis is because he did not have a mistress
Ashley T The french are nasty, the politics is shitty, their armpits are stink, they killed their King and Queen then all hell broke loose after that 🤦🏻♂️
@@augustinefaithdefender LOL ummmm
Interior Castle damn why you drag them like that
@@augustinefaithdefender umm ok a bit to harsh there not that bad
@@augustinefaithdefender but I do agree France is better of with a king
Well done Linday, the part about Antoinette satisfied my expectations. As a fan of the Rose of Versailles the queen is one of my favourite historical characters. I thank you and wait patiently for the video about Marie Antoinette only.
I liked the Rose of Versailles manga/anime for providing a nuanced view of the conflict. There were good people and monsters on both sides of the Revolution. Give it a read/watch if you haven't already!
Great anime
I grew up with The Rose of Versailles, amazing anime/manga ❤️
@@thepropladyso usually it’s really one side that’s like the actual primary aggressor in THIS case the revolution side
Of course the longest part was marie antoinette. I mean there is a good reason for it and i was waiting for this one. Great video as allways
How does a couple not attracted to each other manage to produce 18 children??
To create future alliances.
It was duty
Duh.
by thinking about Naples
You ever heard of hate fucking? I think that might have had a role.
Marie Antoinette's last words were Pardon me sir, I didn't mean to do it. She accidentally stepped on the executioner's foot
Your point?
@@booliev3275 Point being that she isn't the completely heartless monster that everyone makes her out to be.
I honestly find her a rather tragic figure.
An interesting and important note is that the escape attempt by Marie and Louie was slowed down and far less inconspicuous because Marie Antoinette refused to travel without all her clothes and luxuries she wanted. It was very obvious that important people were traveling by the amount of servants and baggage being transported and at such a slow pace with many, many rest stops along the way
Her possessions were essentially her bank card, without them she had absolutely no financial security for her or her children
I find it disturbing the naming of alive children after their dead siblings. Creepy.
Pretty normal back then.
it's still kinda normal today. either that or a deceased relative
I get naming a child after a deceased relative to honor them, but a dead sibling might be a bit creepy.
@@saratrice3051 There was a lot of emphasis in those times of a family name living on and the death of young children was common. The result was a name of a child that had died, most usually males, being used again for the next born after.
I actually find it more creepy that parents will name their children exactly after themselves.
@@aureyd2515 I agree with you there on parents naming kids after themselves being creepy. Was it a pride thing? Another way to carry on the family name?
10:06, fun fact, that is actually a portrait of Maria Josepha, Marie Antoinette’s older sister. It was recently discovered by several art historians in Vienna. The portrait is attributed to be the late Maria Josepha, and it was painted in 1767, the year that she died.
no way! ur so smart! i legit thought it was marie!
By the way, I read recently that after her death, the portrait was incomplete, so it was removed/added details to be Marie Antoinette, that's why it's popular to be her, because it was her sis josepha, than her.
If that was true, then honestly I that's a Lil bit disturbing,
Imagine painting your face over your newly deceased sibling.
However it's not uncommon.
In the portrait of Marie Antoinette with her children by Elizabeth le brun (royal painter of Antonia), baby Sophie was there,, but when she passed out, before her first birthday, she was removed and painted out of the portrait, that's why you can find both versions, one with Sophie, and one with an empty place.
It's a sad thing if you ask me, I don't know how much a professional painter while take to made one portrait according to standards of the 1700's,
But being a little artist t myself, I suppose it take Atleast months, that's why it was a little acceptable to remove the newly dead persons if it's needed
I hope we get more of Marie Carolina and Marie Amalia. Mostly because we already know so much about Marie Antoinette that we often forget how amazing her other two sisters were.
Can you write the names of all these 16 sisters in 1 comment , Pleaseeeeeeee
@@mazerunner1339 The daughters names are in the videos, it isn't that hard to scroll through the videos to look for their names.
@@mazerunner1339I am a history nerd so yeah, if you didn't count those who died very early, it's :
Maria Anna
Maria Christina
Maria Elizabeth
Maria amalia
Maria Johanna
Marie josèpha
Maria carolina
Maria Antonia,
Those who died young :
Maria Elizabeth
Marie carolina the first
Maria carolina the second
In total, 11 dauther
The histores of each one of Maria Theresa's children is quite fascinating, and even more AMAZING how she and Francis I were able to conceive 16 children... that is a remarkable accomplishment, to say the least. XD I'm curious about the sons' respective tales though, now that the daughters' tales had been told! :D
Not just that, but she also seems to have never miscarried, and it's almost miraculous she survived so many pregnancies in an era where hygiene was nonexistent, nutrition was often poor even for the rich, and even minor complications in pregnancy or birth were fatal more often than not. Most of her children at least made it out of childhood, too, even if not by much in some cases.She must have been an incredibly healthy woman in spite of the time period.
Even that is a lot for african families as their average amount of children per family is around 7-10
In an History major and an avid history buff. Thank you for this most excellent presentation: well written as well as exceptionally well eliquted.
Poor empress, she had to whatch her children die!😭
Your voice is so peaceful🌹
Girl we ALL needed this in these dark times! THANK YOU!
Fun Fact: Marie only had one child left after she died, her 2 youngest both died before the French Revolution and Louis(elder) got beaten to death, her last daughter was the longest living daughter of Marie Antonia
Being a princess is all fun & delights til you're forced to marry whomever or whatever your parents command you to😔
Great video! ♡ Something else I think would be interesting is a video about OTMA (the daughters of Tsar Nicolas II and Alexandra Feodorovna). They were really fascinating and lovely people. Love your channel :)
I’m not sure why but these videos help me sleep so well but I still find them so interesting! Like they’re not boring, just calming
Can’t wait for next one. Love history about Marie Antoinette🤗
Have you done the Romonov Children?If not I would love to see that!
For the first time in my life, my love for History has been kindled and I am ~ 75! :)
Thank you for taking so much pain in creating these interesting and informative videos.
I love this lady’s voice.
Just recounting the facts of Marie Antoinette's rise and fall makes you feel sorry for her. 😢
Wanda B she was a scapegoat for a 100 years of French royalty taxing & spending
I had watched a documentary on Marie Antoinette and they had said that when she and her family tried to escape France they were actually caught by a former cavalry officer who was riding in the area, and not a peasant. Just wanted to clarify?... does anyone know which one is true 😂. Apparently the plan was doomed to fail anyway because they travelled in a luxurious carriage with compartments for their gold dinner service! 🤦🏻♂️ it’s absolutely atrocious how she was treated but she was also very naïve. It wasn’t really her fault that she was naïve-she practically never left Versailles-, but she only learned the art of diplomacy once it was too late.
Wow, you started using german accents. I love it! :D
Every time I watch one of your videos I think, I want more detail but I also love the pace you keep- there’s just so many good stories within stories!!
Thank you for releasing this early, I’ve been waiting for the end of the month to watch this video because unfortunately I’m not able to be a patron yet... just a broke college student who is in a two week “shelter in place quarantine” in California. Again thank you and well done!
My favorite was that Maria one
Lindsay, I love how this video was posted hours ago and there are already full blown discussions in the comments. 😂🤩. You and your videos are just That Good!!!😍❤️
Off from work AND a new video? This day suddenly got way better. Muah!
hi Mrs. Lindsay, Learnt a lot from your channel
Best history channel on UA-cam!! I love your work, and your voice is so pleasant. Thank you and I hope your channel keeps growing!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Thank you for doing these uploads!! I always get excited when I see you’ve posted a new one!
18 children? Hell no. I wonder how many women chose to be nuns in this period. Cuz damn.
The jewels are stunning.
I love all your videos I learn more in one of your videos than a whole school year 😂
Many many many beautyful princesses, I can watch Maria life history's again and again... They were so beautyful and elegant...
*beautiful
These videos are so wonderfully made! I can see how much time and effort into them. I recommend a video about Olga of Kiev, she was very interesting.
That con-artist was Countess LaMotte, and she’s my ancestor. Even though what she did was not right I understand both sides. Anyways, thank you for including her because a lot of people never remember her part in all of it.
Actually she should have been strung up for her part in it.
She was kind of a badasss even tho she did some shady things
Actually this channel made a video on her and it’s really good
Here it is ua-cam.com/video/3u2FauOIPh8/v-deo.html
The scandal she caused was partly to blame for how the people turned on Marie Antoinette. LaMotte was a grifter and thief who contributed to the death of Marie and her 10 year old son, it’s not a connection I’d be all too proud of
At the time Paris had no sewage system. The rivers stank and were completely full of human waste. The King did nothing about it. So the people revolted. It was not only about the lack of food, but also due to the poor hygiene conditions, that the poor were forced to live in. The royal families were no subjected to this , as they lived away from Paris in the country sides. Hence the King and his family were hated , for his lack of action and care for his people.
I don’t know much about the French Revolution and the period of time when Marie Antoinette was queen of France but I think I know enough to say that she didn’t deserve what she got and I honestly feel bad for her.
As a french person I can tell you that what happened was necessary. French people at the time had it very rough. The clergy and the monarchy had many privileges and they did not really care much about poor people. Louis XVI was not a very good monarch. He never wanted to be king. What happened during that time was horrible but necessary. This was an important step for humans right.
DOUDOU LAPIN It wasn't Marie Antoinette’s and Louis XVI’s fault. Antionette’s only goal was to have heirs. She only lived lavishly because she was could. She also donated to the poor. They didn’t care because they hated Austrians. Perhaps her husband should’ve been the only one of the two that was killed, as it was his family’s misfortunes of the past.
@@doudoulapin468what happened was/STILL IS EVIL
Thank you for keping up your videos, they are a good way to spend the time while staying at home. Love from Kuwait🤗
Hey if you're actually from Kuwait then just WOW that's nice I'm from Kuwait too😊
@@monabohamad2242 yep, a Kuwaiti history lover here! I hope you are doing ok with the confinement...
I am absolutely loving these videos. A lot that I've learned from you has made for great conversation topics.
“Maria Carolina was heartbroken when the French murdered her beloved sister” heartbroken is an understatement, most normal people (normal as in not sociopaths) are heartbroken when they lose a loved one. Maria Carolina was enraged, furious. She went about her palace breaking and smashing things, screaming at the top of her voice. There’s a film I saw a long time ago, I forget the name, but there’s a scene with the Queen of Naples doing just that. Ever since they assassinated her sister she refused to speak French which she named “that monstrous language” and remained fully francophobic. Personally, the French Revolution disgusts me. I’m half French and spent half my childhood in Lyon, and was never a fan of celebrating fête nationale (France’s « 4th of July ») once I was old enough to understand history. Because all I see is idiots becoming drunk waving French flags in the air without a clue of what they’re, in their mind, celebrating. So many French are ignorant of their history and are taught that monarchy=automatically bad. They forget our country had a crown for 99% of its existence, 1,500 years give or take...
Ελισάβετ Παπαδοπούλου Maria Amalia was also quite angry
How can you be french and at the same time say that the french revolution disgusts you? The french revolution was totally necessary. The monarchy had way too much power and too many privileges. The poor at the time had to live in extreme conditions. The monarchy never cared about them.
@@doudoulapin468 The same way that a German doesn't have to be proud of the Holocaust
@@bananaborz1 I’m sorry but you cannot compare the French Revolution to the Holocaust. The Holocaust was a genocide. Innocent people were murdered for something they couldn’t control - their race. In the Revolution, it was more of a political mass murder. Saying the Holocaust and French Revolution was similar is HIGHLY disrespectful for the Jewish people.
@@bananaborz1 what about the innocent french peasantry that died as a result of the crowns incompetence and lack of social reform? do their lives not matter? does someone being born into a royal family inherently give their life more value?
Is It me or was Maria Theresa a fan of her own name?
😂
Must've gotten confusing when it was time to do the Chrismas shopping; "Which Maria Theresa does this one go to?"
No, she wasn't. It was a Christian thing to add the Maria to the names in honor of Mother Mary. None of them were actually called Maria Whathaveyou. They were called by the 2nd name.
All of her children's firstborn daughters, with the exception of Princess Carolina of Parma (for obvious reasons), were all named after her.
Great video being some one who loves history I'm loving all your videos thank you
Fantastic look at women and their role in history. Love the fact that you use your voice instead of the computer voice. Can't wait to see what you have next!
New subscriber here! I found myself binging your videos and couldn’t resist. Well done!
Your channel is always one of my favorites! I love anything to do with royalty! Maybe because I'm American and so we are intrigued by things we don't understand, but i love this channel and think you do an awesome job with it! Thank you so much for these!! They're my favorute. Especially, how you go in depth about the parents and then each child. Most channels just give basic facts, and I love how you go into detail!! Thanks again!!
In that day and age I would have much rather been a nun. Excuse me but the men just looked 👎 to be a nun in that time must have been like living in luxury.
Dreamy Dreamy except for getting up at 3 am for prayers
Nuns from wealthy families or nobility tended to live pretty well in a convent. Some probably had a true calling and lived simply as other nuns, but several just carried on pretty much as they wanted.
I always liked the male fashion from this time period, expect for those wigs.
Hey some of the men look fine tho...
good lord 18??? man they are fertile
Same thing for Maria Carolina's Mother Empress Maria Theresa
I'll like to see the pregnacy video nex week or After Maria Teresa's sons
Like always such a amazing video.Thank you very much for all the hard work and incredible detail in all your videos!I have always been fascinated with royal history but cant seem to find any reliable or interesting channels to watch from.If possible can you please make a video about charles the 2nd and his Portuguese wife catherine of braganza.I have recently been fascinated with their quite complex relationship(as charles had too many flirtations) but cant seem to find that much on the royal couple.💜💜
I too have taken an interest in him recently :)
Good suggestion, I'll put it on my ideas list!
IS it true that the young King Louis (age 19) had advisor's who were dismissive of Antionette's input in affairs of state? What was a 17 yr. old girl to do? She suffered greatly to have her little son placed in a room where she could hear his screams from torture. The slanderous accusations, the show trial, all were a pattern repeated in history. How do people justify such cruelty?
Antoinette did not take an interest in affairs of state early on + Queens in France were not expected to be involved in affairs of state unless they were regents (Queens could not be regnants because of Salic Law) + Marie Antoinette was 18 when she ascended the throne, not 17.
Marie would play more of a social role, she could use her money to fund artists, scientists etc and donate to charity and she could intercede with the King. However, she was not expected to be involved directly in pushing for political reform.
Thank you for part 2; really enjoyed it. I enjoy reading the biography of Queen Marie Antoinette! Can't wait for your next video! TYFS and stay safe and healthy 😊
Can’t wait for the next one 😍
Just a heads up the painting at 13:38 isn't of Marie Antoinette, that's a self-portrait of artist Vigee Le Brun with her students.
As usual full of information and a useful way to separate fact from fiction. Just a little correction: Maria Carolina's husband Ferdinand IV of Naples was also King of Sicily as Ferdinand III (not II). Pity there was no mention of her strange but real friendship with Lady Hamilton.
Fascinating but still so sad!!!! Many sadnesses!
The presentation was flawless. Other than one quibble, I didn't pick-up on any factual errors. But most importantly, the cadence/ intonation in your reading voice is exquisite. I subscribed and am looking forward to "hearing" more from you.
I love your channel so much! Thanks for all your hard work. I am a huge history buff. I appreciate your hard work and giving in depth stories 💚
Would you be willing to do a video on Marie Antoinette's daughter? Her survival of the revolution and it's aftermath would be interesting to see❤
Maria Antoinette looks so much her Mom.
"The Marquis de Lafayette with the help of Thomas Jefferson"
Me being Hamilton the musical obsessed: are they not the same person?
Your channel us reassuring during these times😁
I’ve been waiting
What became of Marie Antoinette's two children after being taken away from her and her death? I wonder what things would've been like if the royals had managed to escape successfully.
We Will Pauline Louis Charles died in prison, probably from tuberculosis or cholera. Marie Theresa lived to adulthood and married a French cousin, they never had any children though.
@@marcellabrown7316 really, so after he was taken from her he died? Atleast her daughter got to have a life
Her daughter lived to an old age, married but never had children.
Marie Antoinette's eldest son died before the Revolution. Her youngest son was about 10 when he was imprisoned and basically forgotten. He died of neglect and possibly TB at around age 12. His dried heart was found several years ago and placed among the hearts of his ancestors. It was common to remove the monarch's heart for entombment separate from the body.
Her youngest child died as an infant.
@@paulinetrivago.7540 her son was separated from her and hummiliated and tortured and finally neglected
I feel so sorry for him
Madame royale her first daughter survived to aduldhood but died childless..
We Will Pauline her son died, aged 10 while in captivity. Her daughter was exchanged for Austrian ( Prussian?) prisoners when she was 17. the poor girl was abused terribly in captivity, possible having born a child from rape. She lived 51 more years, married, no children.
At 13:34 that's a painting of Marie Antoinette's personal portraitist Elizabeth Vigée Le Brun- not the queen.
I love all of your videos. They are so well put together and interesting. Bravo!
Im exited for this i love to learn about the royals🥀
I was ready for the video as soon as the previous video on Marie Therese’s daughters came out. Can’t wait for the next video! Thank you!
king ferdinand of naples got beat down with the ugly stick!
Yes!!!!! Best part of Tuesday!!!!!🤩
I am so in love with your videos! They are like ASMR to me.
I wish there was a little more on Maria Karolina - she's my 6th great grandma :)
Could you do a future video on Napoleons brothers and sisters? Thanx
Thank you for these videos!
Interestingly enough one of the prisoners of the Bastille who was freed when it was stormed was mentally ill and was returned to prison after.
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Would you happen to know why all her daughters were named Maria? Was it in honor of their mother or was Maria Theresa also named Maria in honor of someone else?
They were named Maria in honor of The Virgin Mary I guess,but it was just a pre-name for them.
Maria Amalia was called Amalia,Maria Antonia was called Antonia and Maria Elizabeth was called Elizabeth etc.