@@mythosinfinite6736 Considering Capcom have confirmed we're getting Mega Man stuff after the survey they sent out? 'lmao this bro thinks we're not getting a 12'
All of the Buster-equipped robots (Mega Man, Proto Man, Bass, etc) can use their respective Busters with each hand. This is canon and explains away the inconsistency concerning the Buster switching arms based on the direction they face when they shoot. The reason they don't use both to deal extra damage is also explained away: The energy output from firing Busters with both arms will overheat their internal systems and will cause them to either overheat, or even explode. This is why X's double-Buster ability given to him in Mega Man X2 when he get's his Buster upgrade is special. The upgrade removes this limitation and makes it safe for X to fire charged shots with both arms.
I always figured using both at the same time would use more power than they can generate.... So instead of 2x damage they'd get nothing more than a fizzling spark as both busters try but don't have enough energy to conjure a full projectile.
I mean, they did also show what happens if they use both hands as a buster in Super Adventure Rockman, and was also shown to have the same effect in the Mega Man Archie comics.
@@ShadowdaHedgie11 It was more severe in the comics, in the game Rock just pass out and wakes up fine togheter with the DLNs, sure, they may have drag him out of the place but I dont think they could manage to fix Megaman very well besides giving their energy In the comics, Megaman's arms were destroyed and he entered deathbed, barely cliging to live, with his memory chip being at risk of being destroyed, having to be repaired by Dr Light, and it wasnt easy
If I am not mistaken, the rock man & forte artwork was made by ariga, the manga artist. So it's no wonder it has a bit more flair than other artworks. It's the triangle and the translucent gem that make it all better
I love when I come into these videos , not necessarily knowing what the subject is about and leaving with a "oh my god this is my new head canon" great vid my man
Something else that sticks out to me is that sometimes the inner rim of the buster is silvery, but in some rare cases it's yellow like the outer paint around the tip. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the extra triangle bit. Additionally, Bass's shots are a bit inconsistent in color as well. At first it looks like the shot color depends on the buster type; cyan for his charge buster and purple for his rapid fire buster. However, in MM10 his rapid fire shots are yellow similar to everyone's favorite super fighting robot. This could potentially be because of the art style shift to 8 bit, but considering he still shoots yellow shots even when purple is part of his palette I'm inclined to think otherwise. This points towards him possibly having three busters; his charge shot that shoots cyan, his rapid fire that shoots purple, and another rapid fire that shoots yellow. An additional tidbit, it's possible that the triangle isn't signifying the rapid fire at all, or at least not alone. Bass gains another ability in-game when he has rapid fire: The ability to aim in multiple directions. Canonically anyone with a buster can do this, but Bass is the only one who can do this in gameplay in the Classic series. Other noteworthy instances of characters who can do something similar are Axl in X8 and Model F in the ZX series. I'm not counting 3D such as in Legends and X7 because it's a no brainer that aiming more than just horizontal would be possible there. I'd absolutely love for Bass to appear again in a future game. His is my favorite gameplay style in the Classic series and his personality would be perfect for character interactions. MM12 is a great opportunity for them to start focusing more on the story in the classic series rather than just having it be a little bit of seasoning. X, Zero, ZX, Legends, Battle Network, and Starforce are proof that Mega Man has incredible storytelling potential, they just need to get out of this "Celebrating the past" mindset and start getting into an innovation groove so that these characters finally get a chance to shine.
My theory is Bass's combat and buster in MM&B are also influenced somewhat by the evil energy, he can fire smaller charge shots basically thanks to a different energy supply
My head cannon on what happened was when bass used the evil energy it damaged him to the point where wily had to get a completely new buster and when wily was making bass’s new buster he thought how bass couldn’t beat mega man with the buster he had so wily tried to instead make one that functioned completely differently hoping that if the old design wasn’t good enough then maybe this different design might be better
I used to think that too, but in Mega Man: The Power Fighters, the second of the arcade games, Duo is present. This means the game takes place after Mega Man 8, even though it was released first. In this game, Bass still has the use of his Charge Shot. It seems the redesign and rapid fire functionality wouldn't appear until the battle against King.
I just had another idea for why Bass has two busters. What if Bass's buster used a early form of the Double Gear system? One of Bass's busters does much more damage and can charge which feels similar to what you may expect from the Power Gear, while the other can rapid fire smaller shots like what you think the Speed Gear could do. Although this obviously wasn’t planned since the Double Gear system was introduced in MM 11, and Bass had his second buster long before that, from a lore perspective, it works pretty well since Wily developed the first form of the Double Gear system before the first game, and it makes sense that Bass, who was supposed to be Wily's greatest creation before he started making Zero, would have included some form of the Double Gear system in Bass's creation.
so true!!! i always hear people saying "Bass is the Shadow of Mega Man" but Bass came first by like 7 years lol they're both my favourite characters of all time though. shoutout to "goth antihero rival of the blue protagonist" fr, gotta be one of my favourite genders /ref
@@OmarsWorldOfficial "first of all, I am Vegeta Second of all, you're not Vegeta Third of all, you wanna be Vegeta but you can't be Vegeta because I'm Vegeta" - Verbalese
My personal theory is Bass himself modified his how buster to the rapid fire, that he can self upgrade and maintance explain own he maintain himself bellow the radar. Plus the rapid fire a weapon configuration that is directly opposite to Megaman charge shot, look like something he make rather than Willy who his main motivation is his ego as a Robot scientist, even when he doesn't need to do it he "improve" thing from others(like the RM of Megaman 2), Bass has a high sense of individuality.
It's likely that following Mega Man 8, Bass had an upgrade to his Buster, likely relying on rapid fire than a charge shot to differentiate himself from Mega Man as well as ensure there's no delay in destroying his rival.
If you have a lot to say, I think we all would like to hear! I think maybe it's upgraded to have modes between power/rapid, although we'd only see the rapid setting since getting it. I'd like to draw your attention to the Auto Shop in MM8. You get for the charged shot... • Laser Shot - Charged attack, a laser burst with a pierce-through property • Arrow Shot - Charged attack, a special charge bullet that splinters into a broad spreadshot when it hits • Rapid Part - Mega Buster completely unloads available shots on button press, instead of just one. As it is, Bass does still have the superior counterpart to arrow shot (although it depends on a merge with Treble), but he has nothing to compare with Mega Man suddenly being seen with Laser Shot or Rapid Part, and since I brought merge weapons into this, the Rock Arm, means that Wily and Bass sees the little kid running circles around them in even the base-level arm's race. (no pun intended) As a specialized Mega _Buster,_ Bass would have a huge incentive to get an upgrade to get ground back. Rock Arm is way too limited and gimmicky, and Arrow Shot is better utilized when you can jet into the air and scatter shots across the area a ground target can navigate as Bass does with his Treble-merged shots, so he only really has laser shot and rapid part to compete with. Him having a Rapid Part would actually cover for both, because swarming tactics and high mobility targets both imply individually weaker individuals, so Rapid Part would "pierce" a line of targets by earlier shots destroying earlier targets. Give higher power and aiming flexibility, and Bass not only makes up for the difference, but once again becomes the physically superior robot! (Still doesn't have the BIshonen-y heart to fight for a cause thing going, ah well) However, Bass getting Better Rapid Part really doesn't do much for him if he doesn't keep a standard power shot in the back, and we can excuse why we don't see it in game. Bass is fighting through lengthy stages in any game his rapid shot appears in, so that mention of swarming is going to come into play. He doesn't need to adjust his Buster mode for bosses, because he can use copied RM weapons as usual. Also, according to the wiki, the drawn group shot for Power Battle depicts the arrow on the buster, so PB might be proof of his ability to use either mode based on the parameters he's deploying for.
It does make sense. After all, Bass's attack style does eventually change after the events of Mega Man: Power Fighters. I initially thought the change might have taken place after Mega Man 8... but Power Fighters, while released before 8, actually takes place after 8, since Duo is present. So the change would have nothing to do with Bass's interaction with the Evil Energy... The only theory that I currently have is that Dr. Wily made the change to the Bass Buster specifically for the fight with King, and just never reverted it back to the Charge Shot Bass Buster. Also interesting to note is that Mega Man, in 8, had access to the Laser Charge Shot, Arrow Charge Shot, and Rapid Fire Part with no known visible change to the outer design of the Mega Buster... As for future videos on the versions of the Treble Adapter - sure! Why not? I'd love to hear your thoughts on those!
Aw man, Mega Man 8 should have made the Buster upgrades change the design a bit. I never thought about that, and now I want it. Super forms will come, eventually! Thank you for the support.
I like to believe that they changed Bass' Buster from 7 and 8 to Bass and 10 to make him stand out more as a playable character given that both Mega and Proto also use Charge Shots. This can especially be seen in 10 when you consider that Mega lost the charge shot but could still slide while Proto Man gained the charge shot but took double the normal damage.
I want to believe The Triangle indicates it's a sort of "Bass Buster Mk. II". I don't think the firing styles are configurations that he can switch whenever and The Triangle materializes accordingly (to me it looks more like it's painted), but the rapid fire Buster is a newer model he'd have to physically swap with the older one if he wants to use charge shots. Realistically though, it's just a design inconsistency. Ishikawa's illustrations for MM&B introduced The Triangle, but Ariga's cover art for the same game doesn't have it. Even in other games before and after MM&B, his non-Buster arm may sometimes have The Triangle while the Buster doesn't.
he can switch out busters the triangle one is where it disconnects an one with out triangle completes the paint job end of mystery (buster attatchments) he doesnt have to take the whole arm part out he can switch out the cannon part the triangle if you look at it as a enginerrer is the disconnection spot for just that part to add rapid fire charge or snipper
I like to chalk to art direction/inconsistencies because he has those triangles in other parts of the armor, however I could imagine he has more than two busters and whatnot... But I absolutely agree, we should get more games with Bass! Megaman 12 you have one job (Plz Capcom, don't let me hangin')
I don’t pay much attention to the classic series let alone play them unlike the X series 💀 but imagine a bass model kit with the two different busters? I think would be interesting to see.
I never noticed the gold triangle difference. I always assumed that if it wasn't visible it was just the forearm at a different angle or they just forgot to draw it, or it was just excluded due to sprite limitations. But I always thought the real change in the buster shots happened because he got upgraded with Evil Energy. (But really Doylist reasoning; to make him play differently than Mega Man)
I swear I've got a new Mega Man headcanon every day... great theory! While it's PROBABLY not intentional on Capcom's part, the idea does work really well. Also YES YES YES I DO want to see a Super Bass video
I think the designs of Bass' arms, much like the design of the triangle chest gem, are based on the artist who draws him at the time, but that is an interesting thought: rapid fire buster having the triangle, and the charged power beams being flat rings! I run with the headcanon that the evil energy put a strain on both Mega Man and Bass' systems in 8, hence why Mega Man operates like in Mega Man 1 & 2 during 9 & 10, and why Bass can't charge his buster in MM&B and 10. But in Mega Man 11, Mega Man was refurbished, so he is able to charge his buster. And yes PLEASE make an editorial about Super Bass and all the different Rush & Mega Man combos in MM6 and 7!
I really like the Evil Energy idea here. The triangles on the non-Buster arms is so weird. There are some instances where art from the same game changes the detail back and forth. The Super forms will be coming, eventually! I really wanna do them, it may take some time, but they are now officially on the list.
I never really put two and two together. For me when I was a kid I'd draw Mega Man characters religiously and I remember always giving Bass the the other buster with the point because I thought it looked cooler. Most likely a design inconsistency but after this video I'd like to believe they're different busters. The inside color seems different too so it could be different buster types? There's so much we don't know about the Mega Man's world so I love these kinds of videos. Thanks for sharing with us cool stuff you find about Mega Man.
Hey, former X DiVE player here. Responding to 4:00 While it *is* true that vanilla Bass doesn't have a traditional rapid-fire attack in his base skill set, once he reaches 4 Stars, he gains a modifier chip for the Charge Shot ability called 'Continuous Fire' which replaces his charge shot with something similar to his Rockman Forte/Mega Man 10 rapid fire attack. You might have excluded this fact due to the modifier still needing to charge the buster to perform the rapid-fire, just wanted to let you know if you didn't.
I didn't know about that. Honestly, I usually just picked modifiers at random because I didn't feel like reading em all. Thank you for that information, though.
When we talk about bass the first thing that I picture about his buster design is precisely the triangle, in fact I hadn't noticed that he doesnt have it other media, I alwyas thought that it was hidden behind his arm or at an angle that couldnt be seen
Decades ago, I was told by a fellow _Mega Man_ super-fan that the original weapon he was made with was called the "Blaster". It's pretty much a Bassnium-powered Mega Buster. The rapid-fire weapon he got later on is canonically the "Buster". So, this is no surprise to me. The idea that the first weapon is called the "Bass / Forte Buster" is backed up by the idea that he says "フォルテブラスト!" ("Forute Burasuto!" or "Forte Blast!") when firing a charge shot in the arcade games. I forget what he says when he fires his _really big shot_ at critical health (first game) or using the Energy Enhancer (second game), though. What about the naming of the Buster? Well, it's printed in plain English even in the Japanese _Rockman & Forte:_ "F. Buster". So. _As an aside, I miss Auto and his sprite site. ):_
Capcom should release a bass fishing game where you play as Bass. It would be glorious, he gets extra fishing related busters, one for a fishing rod, one for nets, another for harpoons... And ofc, he gets the fisherman and sailor armor upgrades, to make him the most powerful angler the world has ever seen. Or so he says....
The biggest question is actually how Wily cracked the multi-direction fire enigma that plagued previous fighting robots and why he couldn't do it again when he built Zero?
It's definitely a lore/gameplay split but I would suppose Wily tuned Bass' buster for rapid fire so the recoil wasn't too great and that's what allows Bass to swing his buster around while firing. This compared to Mega Man's buster which shoots slower and would require Mega Man to steady his arm before firing stronger shots which keeps him from really shooting in a lot of directions.
His one of my favorites but I think I forgot he existed. XD I love his EXE design, the cape is iconic, also loved the cape when Zero used it in the Megaman Zero series.
I've also always wondered this myself. My head cannon (heh, get it? cannon?) is that after his fight in Mega Man 8, he got so damaged that his Buster got replaced hence why he has a rapid fire Buster as opposed to a charge Buster. (Bass gets upgrades as shown by MM9 where you can see blueprints, implying he's going through maintenance so that's not out of the realm of possibility) Nonetheless this is a good find and it would be neat if Capcom found a way to make both Bass styles playable, probably in the aforementioned Mega Man 12.
I always kinda thought that there had to be a connection between Super Bass and the Command Mission armor for zero Absolute Zero... like Wily designed some bat companion for Zero with the logic of "Why would I do another dog. I'd have to give it flight capability, screw it! C'mere circle bat" and thats why theres 1 left in Armored Armadillo's stage. Its hangin around to give Zero a hand and we end up farming him for lives.
I think its design argument with a triangle on just the buster doesnt really hold up when that triangle appears on other body parts. But it mayne an issue with his chest/head gem as they seem different color or shape at least in the artwork and would make more sense how energy would be applied to said buster.
Honestly it makes sense. Coming from a Battle Network background, I had mostly assumed Classic Series Bass had 1 buster. I hadn't thought about the added triangle back when I first checked out the screen crunch riddled Mega Man & Bass for GBA. I hadn't seen a whole lot of artwork in the 2000s but that was young me's issue. Yeah, why not talk about Mega's super adaptor addons as well as Super Bass?
My best assumption is that Bass buster has a switch on the busters tip. And when he twists the tip of the buster, it switches him into rapid fire mode.
I just assume that Bass DOES have two types of busters (charge shot for one hand and rapid fire for the other, both can be switched and both can used at the same time, making both of his hands become busters). Though the whole triangle-or-no-tirangle issue is probably just art inconsistencies.
probably one time only art design, specially if megaman 10 does feature Bass he doesn't have that triangle or even convey he has that outside from Megaman and Bass, among with other artistic decisions
It does make sense for him to have 2 different busters since he's the "ultimate robot." But I think it's just a design inconsistency, I don't think capcom would think about giving 2 different bass' buster
Itself is a gameplay reason to make him more than a Rogue MegaMan Copy. But itself raise a question who is giving Bass maintaince since he abandoned his creator, all robot master need a regular maintaince a detail is bought at the long of the classic saga, being a key element for Protoman history. So who Bass trust enough to modify his Booster, unless its the same Bass is making said upgrades
So... I just now checked my copy of the Mega Man Complete Works art book, and replayed both arcade games as Bass on my PlayStation 2 (yes, I am that old-school...). It seems that the triangle is a red herring. In each piece of artwork for the various games, it is both present and not present - even for artwork within the same game! There is one variant though: In "Mega Man and Bass", Bass's Buster does indeed have different coloring in the lining around the gem that he shoots his projectiles from. However, in the official artwork for Mega Man 10, a game in which he uses basically the same attack style as in Mega Man and Bass, the coloring of the Buster reverts back to what it was in Mega Man 7, Power Battle, and Power Fighters. Sadly, we don't get to see artwork for what his Buster would have looked like in Mega Man 8 (without the Treble Adapter) or 9.
So, I feel the key to understanding Bass's buster lies in his boss fights. In 7, he fights just like Megaman but upgraded, with the addition of the game's main gimmick (super adaptor). I didn't really see it mentioned anywhere, but in 8 he does the same thing, mimicking Mega Man's new buster types. He can shoot a charge shot at the sky that splits into multiple (arrow shoot), can fly across the screen with a laser (laser shoot) and shoot 2 charge shots (normal shots). But wait, 8 also has fourth buster configuration - Auto shoot buster. And Auto shoot is basically what he uses in Mega Man and Bass. So, my headcanon is he copied Mega Man's buster from 8 again and just kept it.
This is incredibly insightful. Admittedly, in MM8, I've only ever taken the Arrow Buster, so I never would have considered this. Excellent observation!
@ColeFam Thanks :) By the way I have another observation. Treble Boost's buster is also plagiarized... from Rush! In Megaman 8 Rush Jet sections, Rush can obtain a 3-way spread shot as a power-up - simlarly to Treble Boost buster. Seems like Bass has quite an inferiority complex, copying his enemy so much.
Hey i have a importation question thats kinda weird so since reploid revo is gone due to that stuff that went down are you going to becone the next megaman lore guy cause whenever i wanted to study or learn the lore i would always go to him but with him gone are you going to take that job?
Uhm, if Bass has a rapid-fire buster in Megaman 10, and the rapid-fire buster supposedly has a triangle on it, why doesn't the Great Eastern Entertainment Megaman 10-branded Bass plush toy have a triangle on HIS buster? Checkmate. The triangle was a cosmetic phase during his teenage years, like all emos have. Really, it is kind of silly that two of the same part got packaged in the D-Arts figure. We got a face place to represent the manga version of Zero, so why not a second cosmetic buster part for Bass? Missed opportunity.
never noticed the difference between the 2 artworks, one could say that the energy he took from mm8 changed him but that is the only real option other then the normal idea of whoops we goofed when doing artwork.... better theory is since bass is swn-01 does that make zero a wily number then since the 2 power battle games show that he would be created due to bass ???
I feel the change was merely so Megaman and Bass would each offer unique play experiences for the game 'Megaman & Bass'. Otherwise Bass would feel like a simple sprite swap for Megaman, the devs likely wanted to differentiate Bass some more gameplay-wise
0:33 - Ha. I get it. Drop the Bass Edit: Also, 5:57 - nice 2 second clip of I Am All of Me, lol. Definitely interested in Bass's super forms. Haven't seen much coverage of that around here.
The only sure thing is he can't switch freely between both busters, for a simple reason he be overpowered if he can, each booster cover the flaws of the other.
While the designs of the busters in X Dive didn't have the triangle, the footage you showed is from mods as the Bass busters have never been actual weapons in the game. Great theory nonetheless!
Just needed it for illustrative purposes. The mod just took the Buster model from Bass' attacks and ported it as a weapon. That kinda stuff should have been in the vanilla game. Glad you enjoyed! The Mega Editorials are always so much fun to do.
@@ColeFam Oh ok I was worried they might have been different models. I've been enjoying the Mega Editorials. Not much of a podcast guys but the editorials are very interesting because they're usually taking an in-depth look at something that aren't often discussed. Hope you review the Treble and Rush armors!
A fan has taken the time to port every single weapon from special attacks to the game, even things like the Servebot hammer. It's really useful for projects like this, just to get a better look. But they are just the same models from the character moves ported over. The Super Adapters are on the list! I appreciate the support, it means a lot. The Halloween episode is running behind, but I hope to get one or two more out this year, so be on the lookout for those!
Ugh still looking for that mmx title font that people are using ColeFam as a fellow MegaMan fan the best real life iteration of buster arm cannon technology modeling reference would be the original MegaMan X3 Megaman 7 Kit models from late 90s
@@ColeFam nonsense one can still enjoy them today just need the proper atmosphere environment and surroundings. Where can I find Sprinqgueens artwork and MMX font?
Bring back Bass in 12! I never knew about the different versions of his buster!
WOAH its mootal sloom
@@raj_171aindeed it is
lmao this bro thinks we're getting a 12
@@mythosinfinite6736 pg injects his mods with copium
@@mythosinfinite6736 Considering Capcom have confirmed we're getting Mega Man stuff after the survey they sent out?
'lmao this bro thinks we're not getting a 12'
Bass and his busters are pretty *based* regardless of combat style
*sighs* 🥁
In the words of bass himself “shut up”
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BOO this man!!
Ah yes, Bass. My favorite fish themed robot.
All of the Buster-equipped robots (Mega Man, Proto Man, Bass, etc) can use their respective Busters with each hand. This is canon and explains away the inconsistency concerning the Buster switching arms based on the direction they face when they shoot. The reason they don't use both to deal extra damage is also explained away: The energy output from firing Busters with both arms will overheat their internal systems and will cause them to either overheat, or even explode. This is why X's double-Buster ability given to him in Mega Man X2 when he get's his Buster upgrade is special. The upgrade removes this limitation and makes it safe for X to fire charged shots with both arms.
I always figured using both at the same time would use more power than they can generate.... So instead of 2x damage they'd get nothing more than a fizzling spark as both busters try but don't have enough energy to conjure a full projectile.
I mean, they did also show what happens if they use both hands as a buster in Super Adventure Rockman, and was also shown to have the same effect in the Mega Man Archie comics.
@@ShadowdaHedgie11 It was more severe in the comics, in the game Rock just pass out and wakes up fine togheter with the DLNs, sure, they may have drag him out of the place but I dont think they could manage to fix Megaman very well besides giving their energy
In the comics, Megaman's arms were destroyed and he entered deathbed, barely cliging to live, with his memory chip being at risk of being destroyed, having to be repaired by Dr Light, and it wasnt easy
Ahhh Power Guy's Bass voice is always a treat.
Sure is
1:14 and 1:18
If I am not mistaken, the rock man & forte artwork was made by ariga, the manga artist. So it's no wonder it has a bit more flair than other artworks. It's the triangle and the translucent gem that make it all better
I love when I come into these videos , not necessarily knowing what the subject is about and leaving with a "oh my god this is my new head canon" great vid my man
That means a lot. I'm glad you enjoyed! Hope the next one is just as much fun!
@@ColeFam anytime! Can't wait to see what's next
Something else that sticks out to me is that sometimes the inner rim of the buster is silvery, but in some rare cases it's yellow like the outer paint around the tip. This doesn't seem to have anything to do with the extra triangle bit. Additionally, Bass's shots are a bit inconsistent in color as well. At first it looks like the shot color depends on the buster type; cyan for his charge buster and purple for his rapid fire buster. However, in MM10 his rapid fire shots are yellow similar to everyone's favorite super fighting robot. This could potentially be because of the art style shift to 8 bit, but considering he still shoots yellow shots even when purple is part of his palette I'm inclined to think otherwise. This points towards him possibly having three busters; his charge shot that shoots cyan, his rapid fire that shoots purple, and another rapid fire that shoots yellow.
An additional tidbit, it's possible that the triangle isn't signifying the rapid fire at all, or at least not alone. Bass gains another ability in-game when he has rapid fire: The ability to aim in multiple directions. Canonically anyone with a buster can do this, but Bass is the only one who can do this in gameplay in the Classic series. Other noteworthy instances of characters who can do something similar are Axl in X8 and Model F in the ZX series. I'm not counting 3D such as in Legends and X7 because it's a no brainer that aiming more than just horizontal would be possible there.
I'd absolutely love for Bass to appear again in a future game. His is my favorite gameplay style in the Classic series and his personality would be perfect for character interactions. MM12 is a great opportunity for them to start focusing more on the story in the classic series rather than just having it be a little bit of seasoning. X, Zero, ZX, Legends, Battle Network, and Starforce are proof that Mega Man has incredible storytelling potential, they just need to get out of this "Celebrating the past" mindset and start getting into an innovation groove so that these characters finally get a chance to shine.
I always wondered Why Bass had 2 different Buster types.
Great Editorial as always, Coleman.
Thanks!
My theory is Bass's combat and buster in MM&B are also influenced somewhat by the evil energy, he can fire smaller charge shots basically thanks to a different energy supply
My head cannon on what happened was when bass used the evil energy it damaged him to the point where wily had to get a completely new buster and when wily was making bass’s new buster he thought how bass couldn’t beat mega man with the buster he had so wily tried to instead make one that functioned completely differently hoping that if the old design wasn’t good enough then maybe this different design might be better
I used to think that too, but in Mega Man: The Power Fighters, the second of the arcade games, Duo is present. This means the game takes place after Mega Man 8, even though it was released first. In this game, Bass still has the use of his Charge Shot. It seems the redesign and rapid fire functionality wouldn't appear until the battle against King.
I just had another idea for why Bass has two busters. What if Bass's buster used a early form of the Double Gear system? One of Bass's busters does much more damage and can charge which feels similar to what you may expect from the Power Gear, while the other can rapid fire smaller shots like what you think the Speed Gear could do. Although this obviously wasn’t planned since the Double Gear system was introduced in MM 11, and Bass had his second buster long before that, from a lore perspective, it works pretty well since Wily developed the first form of the Double Gear system before the first game, and it makes sense that Bass, who was supposed to be Wily's greatest creation before he started making Zero, would have included some form of the Double Gear system in Bass's creation.
Game fans forget that Bass is the original Edge Lord before Shadow the Hedgehog.
so true!!! i always hear people saying "Bass is the Shadow of Mega Man" but Bass came first by like 7 years lol
they're both my favourite characters of all time though. shoutout to "goth antihero rival of the blue protagonist" fr, gotta be one of my favourite genders /ref
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PLEASE cover bass's super forms lol and TY FOR THE MEGAMAN VIDS!!
You got it, it'll come eventually! Thanks for the support.
My personal theory is Bass himself modified his how buster to the rapid fire, that he can self upgrade and maintance explain own he maintain himself bellow the radar.
Plus the rapid fire a weapon configuration that is directly opposite to Megaman charge shot, look like something he make rather than Willy who his main motivation is his ego as a Robot scientist, even when he doesn't need to do it he "improve" thing from others(like the RM of Megaman 2), Bass has a high sense of individuality.
It's likely that following Mega Man 8, Bass had an upgrade to his Buster, likely relying on rapid fire than a charge shot to differentiate himself from Mega Man as well as ensure there's no delay in destroying his rival.
If you have a lot to say, I think we all would like to hear!
I think maybe it's upgraded to have modes between power/rapid, although we'd only see the rapid setting since getting it. I'd like to draw your attention to the Auto Shop in MM8. You get for the charged shot...
• Laser Shot - Charged attack, a laser burst with a pierce-through property
• Arrow Shot - Charged attack, a special charge bullet that splinters into a broad spreadshot when it hits
• Rapid Part - Mega Buster completely unloads available shots on button press, instead of just one.
As it is, Bass does still have the superior counterpart to arrow shot (although it depends on a merge with Treble), but he has nothing to compare with Mega Man suddenly being seen with Laser Shot or Rapid Part, and since I brought merge weapons into this, the Rock Arm, means that Wily and Bass sees the little kid running circles around them in even the base-level arm's race. (no pun intended)
As a specialized Mega _Buster,_ Bass would have a huge incentive to get an upgrade to get ground back. Rock Arm is way too limited and gimmicky, and Arrow Shot is better utilized when you can jet into the air and scatter shots across the area a ground target can navigate as Bass does with his Treble-merged shots, so he only really has laser shot and rapid part to compete with. Him having a Rapid Part would actually cover for both, because swarming tactics and high mobility targets both imply individually weaker individuals, so Rapid Part would "pierce" a line of targets by earlier shots destroying earlier targets. Give higher power and aiming flexibility, and Bass not only makes up for the difference, but once again becomes the physically superior robot! (Still doesn't have the BIshonen-y heart to fight for a cause thing going, ah well)
However, Bass getting Better Rapid Part really doesn't do much for him if he doesn't keep a standard power shot in the back, and we can excuse why we don't see it in game. Bass is fighting through lengthy stages in any game his rapid shot appears in, so that mention of swarming is going to come into play. He doesn't need to adjust his Buster mode for bosses, because he can use copied RM weapons as usual. Also, according to the wiki, the drawn group shot for Power Battle depicts the arrow on the buster, so PB might be proof of his ability to use either mode based on the parameters he's deploying for.
It does make sense. After all, Bass's attack style does eventually change after the events of Mega Man: Power Fighters. I initially thought the change might have taken place after Mega Man 8... but Power Fighters, while released before 8, actually takes place after 8, since Duo is present. So the change would have nothing to do with Bass's interaction with the Evil Energy... The only theory that I currently have is that Dr. Wily made the change to the Bass Buster specifically for the fight with King, and just never reverted it back to the Charge Shot Bass Buster. Also interesting to note is that Mega Man, in 8, had access to the Laser Charge Shot, Arrow Charge Shot, and Rapid Fire Part with no known visible change to the outer design of the Mega Buster... As for future videos on the versions of the Treble Adapter - sure! Why not? I'd love to hear your thoughts on those!
Aw man, Mega Man 8 should have made the Buster upgrades change the design a bit. I never thought about that, and now I want it.
Super forms will come, eventually! Thank you for the support.
I like to believe that they changed Bass' Buster from 7 and 8 to Bass and 10 to make him stand out more as a playable character given that both Mega and Proto also use Charge Shots. This can especially be seen in 10 when you consider that Mega lost the charge shot but could still slide while Proto Man gained the charge shot but took double the normal damage.
Oh, for sure. It's just cool that it (may) be referenced in the design subtly. That kinda stuff is really neat to me
I want to believe The Triangle indicates it's a sort of "Bass Buster Mk. II". I don't think the firing styles are configurations that he can switch whenever and The Triangle materializes accordingly (to me it looks more like it's painted), but the rapid fire Buster is a newer model he'd have to physically swap with the older one if he wants to use charge shots.
Realistically though, it's just a design inconsistency. Ishikawa's illustrations for MM&B introduced The Triangle, but Ariga's cover art for the same game doesn't have it. Even in other games before and after MM&B, his non-Buster arm may sometimes have The Triangle while the Buster doesn't.
Awesome job as always, Cole! It would be interesting to see some details about the Rush Armor. Until then, dude! ^w^
Can't wait to work on those! Thank you
@@ColeFam No prob! ;)
he can switch out busters the triangle one is where it disconnects an one with out triangle completes the paint job end of mystery (buster attatchments) he doesnt have to take the whole arm part out he can switch out the cannon part the triangle if you look at it as a enginerrer is the disconnection spot for just that part to add rapid fire charge or snipper
I like to chalk to art direction/inconsistencies because he has those triangles in other parts of the armor, however I could imagine he has more than two busters and whatnot... But I absolutely agree, we should get more games with Bass! Megaman 12 you have one job (Plz Capcom, don't let me hangin')
I don’t pay much attention to the classic series let alone play them unlike the X series 💀 but imagine a bass model kit with the two different busters? I think would be interesting to see.
I never noticed the gold triangle difference. I always assumed that if it wasn't visible it was just the forearm at a different angle or they just forgot to draw it, or it was just excluded due to sprite limitations. But I always thought the real change in the buster shots happened because he got upgraded with Evil Energy.
(But really Doylist reasoning; to make him play differently than Mega Man)
Video on the Super forms, please! Maybe even cover Super MegaMan at the same time?
That’s a great idea! One big super video.
Let's make it happen!
Great work as always, ColeManX!
Same to you, great art as always Sprinqgueen ❤️
@@megamix5403 Thank you so much!
What about that triangle on his "lower torso"?
That's the arrow that points to his hard drive, of course
I swear I've got a new Mega Man headcanon every day... great theory! While it's PROBABLY not intentional on Capcom's part, the idea does work really well. Also YES YES YES I DO want to see a Super Bass video
Super Bass is officially on the list!
@ColeFam fire
I think the designs of Bass' arms, much like the design of the triangle chest gem, are based on the artist who draws him at the time, but that is an interesting thought: rapid fire buster having the triangle, and the charged power beams being flat rings!
I run with the headcanon that the evil energy put a strain on both Mega Man and Bass' systems in 8, hence why Mega Man operates like in Mega Man 1 & 2 during 9 & 10, and why Bass can't charge his buster in MM&B and 10. But in Mega Man 11, Mega Man was refurbished, so he is able to charge his buster.
And yes PLEASE make an editorial about Super Bass and all the different Rush & Mega Man combos in MM6 and 7!
I really like the Evil Energy idea here.
The triangles on the non-Buster arms is so weird. There are some instances where art from the same game changes the detail back and forth.
The Super forms will be coming, eventually! I really wanna do them, it may take some time, but they are now officially on the list.
That ending clip of the buster was a genius move.
I wanted to make sure that song made it into the video, and that clip seemed like the perfect bookend.
I'm a simple man. I see Bass content, I click. I'd also love to see a video about both Megaman and Bass's adapter forms. Those were so cool!
my theory is of his buster has 2 shooting modes. the triangle is just art inconsistence
I never really put two and two together. For me when I was a kid I'd draw Mega Man characters religiously and I remember always giving Bass the the other buster with the point because I thought it looked cooler. Most likely a design inconsistency but after this video I'd like to believe they're different busters. The inside color seems different too so it could be different buster types?
There's so much we don't know about the Mega Man's world so I love these kinds of videos. Thanks for sharing with us cool stuff you find about Mega Man.
I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed and that the video could help you enjoy another aspect a bit more!
Hey, former X DiVE player here. Responding to 4:00
While it *is* true that vanilla Bass doesn't have a traditional rapid-fire attack in his base skill set, once he reaches 4 Stars, he gains a modifier chip for the Charge Shot ability called 'Continuous Fire' which replaces his charge shot with something similar to his Rockman Forte/Mega Man 10 rapid fire attack.
You might have excluded this fact due to the modifier still needing to charge the buster to perform the rapid-fire, just wanted to let you know if you didn't.
I didn't know about that. Honestly, I usually just picked modifiers at random because I didn't feel like reading em all. Thank you for that information, though.
Cover the rush adapter please 🙏
When we talk about bass the first thing that I picture about his buster design is precisely the triangle, in fact I hadn't noticed that he doesnt have it other media, I alwyas thought that it was hidden behind his arm or at an angle that couldnt be seen
Only colefam could make simple design differences into a genuinely interesting topic.
That’s his speciality!
Decades ago, I was told by a fellow _Mega Man_ super-fan that the original weapon he was made with was called the "Blaster". It's pretty much a Bassnium-powered Mega Buster. The rapid-fire weapon he got later on is canonically the "Buster". So, this is no surprise to me.
The idea that the first weapon is called the "Bass / Forte Buster" is backed up by the idea that he says "フォルテブラスト!" ("Forute Burasuto!" or "Forte Blast!") when firing a charge shot in the arcade games. I forget what he says when he fires his _really big shot_ at critical health (first game) or using the Energy Enhancer (second game), though.
What about the naming of the Buster? Well, it's printed in plain English even in the Japanese _Rockman & Forte:_ "F. Buster". So.
_As an aside, I miss Auto and his sprite site. ):_
Capcom should release a bass fishing game where you play as Bass. It would be glorious, he gets extra fishing related busters, one for a fishing rod, one for nets, another for harpoons... And ofc, he gets the fisherman and sailor armor upgrades, to make him the most powerful angler the world has ever seen. Or so he says....
Adapter Video next, Let's gooooo!
Not "next", but they're definitely coming!
Cool
The biggest question is actually how Wily cracked the multi-direction fire enigma that plagued previous fighting robots and why he couldn't do it again when he built Zero?
Pretty sure that's just gameplay balancing.
It's definitely a lore/gameplay split but I would suppose Wily tuned Bass' buster for rapid fire so the recoil wasn't too great and that's what allows Bass to swing his buster around while firing. This compared to Mega Man's buster which shoots slower and would require Mega Man to steady his arm before firing stronger shots which keeps him from really shooting in a lot of directions.
His one of my favorites but I think I forgot he existed. XD
I love his EXE design, the cape is iconic, also loved the cape when Zero used it in the Megaman Zero series.
I've also always wondered this myself. My head cannon (heh, get it? cannon?) is that after his fight in Mega Man 8, he got so damaged that his Buster got replaced hence why he has a rapid fire Buster as opposed to a charge Buster. (Bass gets upgrades as shown by MM9 where you can see blueprints, implying he's going through maintenance so that's not out of the realm of possibility)
Nonetheless this is a good find and it would be neat if Capcom found a way to make both Bass styles playable, probably in the aforementioned Mega Man 12.
I always kinda thought that there had to be a connection between Super Bass and the Command Mission armor for zero Absolute Zero... like Wily designed some bat companion for Zero with the logic of "Why would I do another dog. I'd have to give it flight capability, screw it! C'mere circle bat" and thats why theres 1 left in Armored Armadillo's stage. Its hangin around to give Zero a hand and we end up farming him for lives.
I think its design argument with a triangle on just the buster doesnt really hold up when that triangle appears on other body parts. But it mayne an issue with his chest/head gem as they seem different color or shape at least in the artwork and would make more sense how energy would be applied to said buster.
Honestly it makes sense. Coming from a Battle Network background, I had mostly assumed Classic Series Bass had 1 buster.
I hadn't thought about the added triangle back when I first checked out the screen crunch riddled Mega Man & Bass for GBA.
I hadn't seen a whole lot of artwork in the 2000s but that was young me's issue. Yeah, why not talk about Mega's super adaptor addons as well as Super Bass?
My best assumption is that Bass buster has a switch on the busters tip. And when he twists the tip of the buster, it switches him into rapid fire mode.
I just assume that Bass DOES have two types of busters (charge shot for one hand and rapid fire for the other, both can be switched and both can used at the same time, making both of his hands become busters). Though the whole triangle-or-no-tirangle issue is probably just art inconsistencies.
probably one time only art design, specially if megaman 10 does feature Bass he doesn't have that triangle or even convey he has that outside from Megaman and Bass, among with other artistic decisions
It does make sense for him to have 2 different busters since he's the "ultimate robot." But I think it's just a design inconsistency, I don't think capcom would think about giving 2 different bass' buster
Yes, please cover bass and megaman's super armors.
I also noticed that it switches arms when he does
Itself is a gameplay reason to make him more than a Rogue MegaMan Copy.
But itself raise a question who is giving Bass maintaince since he abandoned his creator, all robot master need a regular maintaince a detail is bought at the long of the classic saga, being a key element for Protoman history.
So who Bass trust enough to modify his Booster, unless its the same Bass is making said upgrades
If there's ever gonna be a Megaman 12, it needs to answer the age-old question of whether or not Bass is a fish. :3
Love the bass theme at the end. Ur voice is soothing like Barry white
So... I just now checked my copy of the Mega Man Complete Works art book, and replayed both arcade games as Bass on my PlayStation 2 (yes, I am that old-school...). It seems that the triangle is a red herring. In each piece of artwork for the various games, it is both present and not present - even for artwork within the same game! There is one variant though: In "Mega Man and Bass", Bass's Buster does indeed have different coloring in the lining around the gem that he shoots his projectiles from. However, in the official artwork for Mega Man 10, a game in which he uses basically the same attack style as in Mega Man and Bass, the coloring of the Buster reverts back to what it was in Mega Man 7, Power Battle, and Power Fighters. Sadly, we don't get to see artwork for what his Buster would have looked like in Mega Man 8 (without the Treble Adapter) or 9.
What if the triangle is actually a built in display for Bass to read like the energy bar is on Rock's busters (he has both perma attached after all)
0:36 I see what you did there
I think it's just an artstyle thing. Also, you do a good Bass impression.
Oh😎 noice, I thing is a minicule redisign, but yeah its make sense. And a great idea the explore the super base armor
So, I feel the key to understanding Bass's buster lies in his boss fights. In 7, he fights just like Megaman but upgraded, with the addition of the game's main gimmick (super adaptor).
I didn't really see it mentioned anywhere, but in 8 he does the same thing, mimicking Mega Man's new buster types. He can shoot a charge shot at the sky that splits into multiple (arrow shoot), can fly across the screen with a laser (laser shoot) and shoot 2 charge shots (normal shots).
But wait, 8 also has fourth buster configuration - Auto shoot buster. And Auto shoot is basically what he uses in Mega Man and Bass. So, my headcanon is he copied Mega Man's buster from 8 again and just kept it.
This is incredibly insightful. Admittedly, in MM8, I've only ever taken the Arrow Buster, so I never would have considered this. Excellent observation!
@ColeFam Thanks :) By the way I have another observation. Treble Boost's buster is also plagiarized... from Rush! In Megaman 8 Rush Jet sections, Rush can obtain a 3-way spread shot as a power-up - simlarly to Treble Boost buster. Seems like Bass has quite an inferiority complex, copying his enemy so much.
@emequaza5537 Putting that copy chip to good use! (I never considered that one either)
Hey i have a importation question thats kinda weird so since reploid revo is gone due to that stuff that went down are you going to becone the next megaman lore guy cause whenever i wanted to study or learn the lore i would always go to him but with him gone are you going to take that job?
@ColeFam his helmet always reminds me of Ryo-Ohki's ears
Do another editorial on his chest gem.
I would like to see you cover the adapters from MegaMan 6, 7 and 8.
What do you think about the cancelled ultimate armor for Zero in Megaman X4?
Uhm, if Bass has a rapid-fire buster in Megaman 10, and the rapid-fire buster supposedly has a triangle on it, why doesn't the Great Eastern Entertainment Megaman 10-branded Bass plush toy have a triangle on HIS buster? Checkmate. The triangle was a cosmetic phase during his teenage years, like all emos have.
Really, it is kind of silly that two of the same part got packaged in the D-Arts figure. We got a face place to represent the manga version of Zero, so why not a second cosmetic buster part for Bass? Missed opportunity.
A super form and rush adapter video or videos would be really nice I think.
loved the content. might`ve been my set up but the background music volume was a bit too loud. =)
And then there's Bass.exe who has to charge his busters to rapid fire
One is has a charge feature similar to the mega buster while the other one is rapid fire
5:38 I've seen more concept art of Bass looking like the 11 artstyle
I thought you were the toe-attacker guy!
He very much is
I like to call him Slasher.
Real ones will know.
never noticed the difference between the 2 artworks, one could say that the energy he took from mm8 changed him but that is the only real option other then the normal idea of whoops we goofed when doing artwork.... better theory is since bass is swn-01 does that make zero a wily number then since the 2 power battle games show that he would be created due to bass ???
Triangle and silver internal lining. Crazy.
For The adaptors, let the few HYPER adapters get some time
If Metal Sonic and Shadow had a baby it would be Bass. Which is odd since Bass probably inspired Shadow.
Did... did you guys actually got the VA for Rock in MM8?
I feel the change was merely so Megaman and Bass would each offer unique play experiences for the game 'Megaman & Bass'. Otherwise Bass would feel like a simple sprite swap for Megaman, the devs likely wanted to differentiate Bass some more gameplay-wise
Definitely. This is more about the subtle design change, though.
I think is merely a esthetic detail more than 2 busters, in megaman 10 doesn't have the triangle and still can shoot rapid fire
0:33 - Ha. I get it. Drop the Bass
Edit: Also, 5:57 - nice 2 second clip of I Am All of Me, lol. Definitely interested in Bass's super forms. Haven't seen much coverage of that around here.
next video should be "Why dies bass not have purple on his face in his sprites?"
The mega man x phone game with bass might be hinting bass going to be in mega man 12 ?
Did Bass ever collect all his CDs?
The only sure thing is he can't switch freely between both busters, for a simple reason he be overpowered if he can, each booster cover the flaws of the other.
Not Only triangle one hole is bigger than the other one is more red inside Also unless you mirrored the pictures then it's used in opposite hands....
best robot master ever 🩷💜
Bring our boy back!
A rather Power-ful Guy sent me to like this.
I've always thought his overall design suits the x series more.
Ain't nobody know Base Bass Forte more than me... cus i am.! ... Base Bass Forte. Nice to meetcha. Punk. 😎
Now listen Herr buster... 🥁
While the designs of the busters in X Dive didn't have the triangle, the footage you showed is from mods as the Bass busters have never been actual weapons in the game. Great theory nonetheless!
Just needed it for illustrative purposes. The mod just took the Buster model from Bass' attacks and ported it as a weapon. That kinda stuff should have been in the vanilla game.
Glad you enjoyed! The Mega Editorials are always so much fun to do.
@@ColeFam Oh ok I was worried they might have been different models.
I've been enjoying the Mega Editorials. Not much of a podcast guys but the editorials are very interesting because they're usually taking an in-depth look at something that aren't often discussed.
Hope you review the Treble and Rush armors!
A fan has taken the time to port every single weapon from special attacks to the game, even things like the Servebot hammer. It's really useful for projects like this, just to get a better look. But they are just the same models from the character moves ported over.
The Super Adapters are on the list!
I appreciate the support, it means a lot. The Halloween episode is running behind, but I hope to get one or two more out this year, so be on the lookout for those!
1:25 bass makes a better vegeta
No it looks like a worse version of vile
Ugh still looking for that mmx title font that people are using
ColeFam as a fellow MegaMan fan the best real life iteration of buster arm cannon technology modeling reference would be the original MegaMan X3 Megaman 7 Kit models from late 90s
The Mega Man X font was hand drawn from scratch by Sprinqgueen.
I loved those model kits! Sad I missed out on most of em, haha
@@ColeFam nonsense one can still enjoy them today just need the proper atmosphere environment and surroundings.
Where can I find Sprinqgueens artwork and MMX font?
I'd prefer if he could switch between them at will, I just like more power
The bass buster
Bass is like vegeta and sort off like Shadow the hedgehog
Bass'd.
I'll be honest the triangle part on his busters are just art redesigns