Pro tip: You don't need to swap to backup. Just run augmented drum. They nerfed spike grenades so that it's a 3% buff. It's noticeable, but not that much.
if u run spike with boss spec thats a 11% increase in dmg and dmg boosts stack multiplicatively so with surges and radiant + debuff the dmg stacking w the extra ten-eleven percent dmg would make a difference
@@althechicken9597 I got lucky with a cascade envious marsilion-c (world drop). It's a rapid fire frame so you can imagine how nuts it is with cascade point lol
@@funtourhawkI’m not very good at trials. I’ve never been flawless but I’ve won a lot of matches. I was able to get two god rolls. It sucked but I did it
@@toad4641 *Mentions craftable option for people who aren't gonna play trials enough to get lucky with a B&S cataphract* Destiny bot: "But cataphract is better"
Kinda confused - are you saying you need to get about 10 kills, pull out your GL, stow it and get 10 more kills? Like you have to pull the weapon out at a threshold and stow it for it to work? Or just backup mag or augmented drum?
The trials gl with backup mag and augmented drum can get 8 in the base mag size, letting you put 24 total grenades in the mag. Then you can switch to spike and boss / taken spec for massive damage
Does this actually work post-update? I have am envious explosive with 7 in the mag and i can't get it to overflow to more than 15. Don't know what else I could possibly do to get it to work haha.
Answered my own question if anyone doesn't know. If you pull out your GL too early after getting to double the mag, it will stop at whatever amount it's been overflowed at that point. So you if you have 7 in the mag, get to 14, and then get a couple of kills and pull out your gl, it will show probably 15-17. At that point you wouldn't be able to get to 21 without dumping back down to 14 and waiting longer/getting more kills before pulling out the gl again. Thought I was going crazy lol.
@@craiglawrence9792 Thank you. I was losing my mind trying to figure out why my GL was getting stuck at 15 no matter how many I killed before switching. Ill test this out.
0:00 I'm sure that this "I need glasses" editing effect is great but it is giving me a headache due to my visual hypersensitivity, without the effect your videos would be even more enjoyable! :D
Overflow also seems to be bugged, my thoughless somehow is swaping with more than double the mag, i mean 14 sniper shots are nice, but 16 is now getting wierd
@Smegmer just tested myself in the game. You are right, but it is a negligible amount of damage, maybe 1-1.5%. If I was running a swapping combo, I'd still want the extra handling from quick launch.
@@PaulFurn89 max br vs lowest br I believe is a 4.9% damage difference. Very small but regardless handling is not as important imo when exotics such as ophidians or dragons shadow are in the game. I understand why you’d want it tho
In my adept god roll cataphract goat, I can run spikes with the adept mag mod and get 24 rounds in the mag💀and just switch to boss spec before damage 🗿🍷
I got a lucky world drop marsilion-c with cascade point and envious with mini frags. Since it's a rapid fire + cascade, you can be done shooting your gun in the blink of an eye lol
Surrounded is good on GLs if you have coordination with your team to not just melt every enemy in sight and you have a Well of radiance to counter the possibility of accidentally killing yourself with the GL, but it's better to go for a dps perk that's less circumstantial.
Pro tip: You don't need to swap to backup. Just run augmented drum. They nerfed spike grenades so that it's a 3% buff. It's noticeable, but not that much.
Well if you don’t have augmented drum on your roll you have to
@@warv6552 crafted rolls is what he is referring to
if u run spike with boss spec thats a 11% increase in dmg and dmg boosts stack multiplicatively so with surges and radiant + debuff the dmg stacking w the extra ten-eleven percent dmg would make a difference
@@ohlesi910 having the extra shot from augmented drum is higher ttl damage
Bozo, u can run boss spec with out spike lmao. No one cares about 3%. @@ohlesi910
Cataphract GL with envious/BnS feels so juicy now
Actually insane now
I have a hard time picking between that and my envious/cascade roll. Cascade is so fun 😅
@@althechicken9597 I got lucky with a cascade envious marsilion-c (world drop). It's a rapid fire frame so you can imagine how nuts it is with cascade point lol
Good thing they lock meta PvE weapons behind a cancerous PvP gamemode!
@@funtourhawkI’m not very good at trials. I’ve never been flawless but I’ve won a lot of matches. I was able to get two god rolls. It sucked but I did it
Regnant is craftable from Defiance so you can easily add Mini Frags (bigger magazine) cascade point and envious
cataphract is significantly better tho
@@toad4641 *Mentions craftable option for people who aren't gonna play trials enough to get lucky with a B&S cataphract*
Destiny bot: "But cataphract is better"
i remember that void wave frame "can't remember the name" but it can roll with envious & it can literally get up to 4 rounds in the mag
is it a special or heavy?
Harsh language
You need a lot of kills for that
It's not worth it while forbearance exists
@@sylokthedefiled special
@@MikeYt673 it depends, also i haven't used forbearance since the nerf so i have no idea how it is now
Kinda confused - are you saying you need to get about 10 kills, pull out your GL, stow it and get 10 more kills?
Like you have to pull the weapon out at a threshold and stow it for it to work?
Or just backup mag or augmented drum?
Yes exactly! 10 kills, pull out GL, 10 kills, 21 in mag.
TYVM!!!@@AboveDestiny
In above we trust
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The trials gl with backup mag and augmented drum can get 8 in the base mag size, letting you put 24 total grenades in the mag. Then you can switch to spike and boss / taken spec for massive damage
Does this actually work post-update? I have am envious explosive with 7 in the mag and i can't get it to overflow to more than 15. Don't know what else I could possibly do to get it to work haha.
Answered my own question if anyone doesn't know. If you pull out your GL too early after getting to double the mag, it will stop at whatever amount it's been overflowed at that point. So you if you have 7 in the mag, get to 14, and then get a couple of kills and pull out your gl, it will show probably 15-17. At that point you wouldn't be able to get to 21 without dumping back down to 14 and waiting longer/getting more kills before pulling out the gl again. Thought I was going crazy lol.
@@craiglawrence9792 Thank you. I was losing my mind trying to figure out why my GL was getting stuck at 15 no matter how many I killed before switching. Ill test this out.
I wonder how this works with the Cold Comfort RL w/Envious Assassin and its origin trait.
Should be able to get 3 rockets + a 4th with the origin
Cold comfort still best burst damage wep
I have a swarm of the raven with augmented, clown and envious. It's not top DPS but it is quite cool
Above, your feelings on Apex Preditor (reconstruction bait&switch) vs. Crux termination (clown cadridge explosive light)?
Apex>>
Depends on what you're using the rocket for. For DPSing a boss, Apex.
For things like Cenotaph spam, clown cartridge + explosive light
@@jonahbrown5669 I have one apex for damage and one for yellow bars (recon bipod)
Envious cascade going to feel different now
Damn that be really good for short damage faces
Great heads up! I had more weaps with Envious then I realized, now I have to give them a test.
0:00 I'm sure that this "I need glasses" editing effect is great but it is giving me a headache due to my visual hypersensitivity, without the effect your videos would be even more enjoyable! :D
glad i grinded trials on friday (after not playing pvp for a year) cause i got one to drop with envious/b&s and augmented drum
Is there any crafted GL that is on the god mode like the trails one ?
I actually have an autoloading BnS augmented drum adept roll that i use for dps rotations with Izzy
upload on a Sunday? How am I going to get anything done now?
AYO
For some reason when i do this my shots cap at 19 is that a glitch or am i doin something ?
Do you have to pull GL out to fill mag from 2x size to 3x?
No
Backup mag on GLs has always been my go to! 🎉
Overflow also seems to be bugged, my thoughless somehow is swaping with more than double the mag, i mean 14 sniper shots are nice, but 16 is now getting wierd
Is it enhanced overflow?
nope, just regular, grinding crafting levels on snipers is a pain, so i never enhanced any of the perks because the gun never levels up
@@kidneystone1345 you could level up your crafted weapons with masterwork cores if you wanted
Thanks for the in depth explanation!
Love it! Great work!
Thanks!
Now I need my streamer to do trials carry when the GL is available.. Much Love brother
would like tô have comparativr between envious + EL vs envious + bait & switch.
looks like EL its > b&s now
So it is necessary to switch between overflows then to get to 3x
Good to know. Hopefully I can use my EA + Harmony Prodigal Return better now
Great vid above
Thanks brother!
Guys, we need to bump this. In the event that there’s a caretaker/warpriest dps situation in the final shape, it’s a big deal. Likes. Many likes!
Definitely glad I clicked this vid, thought it was more b8
Will someone post the ideal boss damage roll for cataphract after the update? Barrel/ mag/ masterwork included please?
Quick launch, spike, envious, bns I always preferred handling mw for swap and ready speeds.
@@PaulFurn89you want hard launch for minimal blast radius so you can get the most out of spikes impact bonus
@@PaulFurn89 no I’m not? Do some research?
@Smegmer just tested myself in the game. You are right, but it is a negligible amount of damage, maybe 1-1.5%. If I was running a swapping combo, I'd still want the extra handling from quick launch.
@@PaulFurn89 max br vs lowest br I believe is a 4.9% damage difference. Very small but regardless handling is not as important imo when exotics such as ophidians or dragons shadow are in the game. I understand why you’d want it tho
This thing is so good now you can use it in every activity
Legend mate, gg’s
In my adept god roll cataphract goat, I can run spikes with the adept mag mod and get 24 rounds in the mag💀and just switch to boss spec before damage 🗿🍷
mag capping out at 17?
Yeah this seems wild
Absolutely wild haha
Must be nice having a heavy gl with b&s....
Thanks Above!
And you can craft Regnant AND Koraxis with it!
... whats the game breaking discovery?
youtuber try not to clickbait challenge
Prospector goes brrr
Cry mutiny is also busted
sooooo the same way we've been using it....
Never ever ever used this perk. Ever. Sooo many better perks.
lmfao
so you wear a helmet, we get it
Envious/cascadepoint
Im in the video
il be honest i thouhgt eveybody knew thats how it worked lol
Hell yeah
Do remember that rapid-fires exist and koraxis gets envious and paracausal with faster firing
and requires a kill to activate lol... nerd
@@photosimonsonon any weapon, either way surrounded is better
I got a lucky world drop marsilion-c with cascade point and envious with mini frags. Since it's a rapid fire + cascade, you can be done shooting your gun in the blink of an eye lol
This was already well known, this isnt a discovery at all lol.
Agreed.
For those who didn't know, its good info tho.
It helped me 👍
Yea but who asked u
u think thats busted there are GLs with enhanced surrounded +47% more damage
Surrounded isn't guaranteed, while Bait & Switch is.
Surrounded is good on GLs if you have coordination with your team to not just melt every enemy in sight and you have a Well of radiance to counter the possibility of accidentally killing yourself with the GL, but it's better to go for a dps perk that's less circumstantial.
Sheeeeeesh! Thanks, Above! 🫡