Tuto: Removing hammer gap on Umarex Colt SAA
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2022
- How to remove the hammer gap and make the cylinder spinning freely on a Colt SAA from Umarex. It also works on Crosman Remington 1875 since the mechanical part is exactely the same.
The revolver can't fire after this modification but it's completely undoable to restore the original state.
Authenticity is my main interest - I don't care if it shoots or not. I have other guns for shooting. Well done!
Thanks for your comment. I'm happy to see that you appreciate the goal of the mod.
Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
I just completed my hammer gap fix with your video. I love the way the cylinder sounds when you rotate it now. Thanks for your tutorial. It was a simple process. These pistols are so much better looking than my Denix and my Kolser revolvers. Now I need to work on getting some sturdier grips. Thanks again!
Thank you!! I'm definitely going to do this mod on my new Umarex Colt. Side note, I'm surprised so many people complained and said this will make it so it doesn't shoot BB's when you clearly stated that in the tutorial.
Took barrel out of mine ages ago for free spinning cylinder but didn’t know about the hammer spring mod! Now it has true 4- click cocking! C-O-L-T! Thanks❤
Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
That hammer gap is the reason I never bothered with one of these. My OCD just won’t let me be at peace with that. And if it can’t fire, it’s a paper weight. Thanks for the video nonetheless.
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look up tokyo marui's SAA's they have 3 versions. all with the hammer where its supposed to be.
@@finMann0 Thank you for the info. I still look on occasion trying to find one. Thanks a lot.
Thanks so much for posting this. It was hard pulling and keeping that mainspring back long enough to get the hammer on. The barrel was a devil. I reassembled the gun after the hammer job and then worked out the outer barrel as it came loose eventually. I hammered the pins in from the outside and it's great now! Just like yours! thanks again!
Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
Hi, I plan on keeping all the parts so if I ever want to change it back I can.@@A.E.2023
I did this hammer gap mod to my 7.5” nickle model tonight. I found an easy way to move the hammer spring was to remove the small bits as in the video, then while pressing on the hammer lug, pull the hammer back to full cock and let the trigger hold it there while jamming a thin, flat piece of metal under the hammer and between the spring and the body of the gun. Once in place, gently remove the hammer and replace it in the full forward position and over the tensioned hammer spring should pop into the correct slot. Carefully replace the small pieces and then replace the sideplate. The whole thing took less time than it did to type this. This is a neat mod that is totally reverseable if I should ever want to shoot the gun. It really looks and sounds real. Thank you for this post.
Got the gun to spin freely and shoot properly thanks for the vid. Help me figure how I could get best of Both worlds. All you got to do is shorten the inner barrel spring, test adjust repeat until you get it just right. Also sanding part of the inner barrel the meets with the cylinder helps
Com o lichamento do cano interno você ainda consegue atira bbs sem problemas?
I just did it! Easy execution except for the hammer spring part. I don't have much tools and ended up using the handle of a spoon to bend the spring. Got it on the 15th try.
Happy with the result. Thank you Laurent!
Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
@@A.E.2023 Hello
I will take a look to see if I still have it.
Ok. @@atarigonzo6928
@@A.E.2023 Hello
I found it. DO you still need it?
Yes. How can we negotiate the sale? Can you send to Brazil?@@atarigonzo6928
I got the Elite Force Umarex Legends Smoke Wagon Revolver 6mm bb airsoft gun and did this modification. For the most part the internal of both revolver look similar. Although I was only looking/tinkering with part to do this modification. I’d say the next thing I’d try to do is make it lighter. Still heavy to do gun tricks with but overall satisfied with the modification.
I like the "man with no name" grips. I have the Uberti 38 special 1851 Navy colt that was originally developed by the prop department of "Good the Bad and the Ugly" for easy reloads instead of cap and ball reloads. Uberti turned it into a 38 special firing replica. Kind of off topic but.....
Excellent presentation.
Great work ... TOP !!!! Long live the SAA. Yeeehhhhhaaaaaaaa.
Hi, great idea to pull the hammer to the position and insert a thin piece of metal to hold the spring. How thick was the metal piece, from the video it appears to be about 1/16 of an inch, and about 1/2 inch wide?
Question: if you wanted it to still fire (barrel in) have you ever tried the second spring position but file the nub on the hammer to open the gap some so it doesn't leak ? I'd like mine to still shoot ☺️ I have real Ruger Vaquero but it's expensive to practice with so I got the umarex. Thanks
Beautiful. Mine comes tmrw. Where did you get the wood grips? The original has plastic grips. Did you change yours to wood?
After making the cylinder free spin, is the cylinder suppose to slightly jiggle back and forth because the inner barrel is no longer locking it in place?
Tks my friend. I'll try with the King Arms Colt 1873, i have 3 of them
I have no idea if the same mod can work on the King Arms but I'm intrestead to get your feedback ;)
Can someone explain why it won't fore BBS after but will fire pellets please😊. Ah got it now it becomes useless and just a toy.
I did this transformation on my Colt SAA Peacemaker. I didn't like the free cylinder because without the barrel the BBs lose direction. As for the hammer, after positioning the spring in the other position, I realized that the gas escapes as it ends up activating the valve. Anyway, I left it as it came from the factory. For decorative purposes, it's fine but for functional purposes I don't recommend it.
It's what I say in the tutorial, this modification is to transform the gun into a non firing decorative replica. "This modification makes the gun unable to fire BBs ..."
@@LauCass I apologize for not reading the tutorial. I just followed the instructions in the video, which is pretty explanatory. I will withdraw my comment because it was my fault for not reading the tutorial. Your work was perfect. I'm 65 years old and I live in the south of Brazil, in a small town, of German colonization. In addition to the two Colts (the old finish and Blue finish), a Remington 1875, a Smith & Wesson Schofield 1877 and a Winchester 1894 rifle. My English is not very good but I believe I can make myself understood.
One question: can I use pellets in my Colts or just steel BBs?
@@airgunsairsofts9490 no problem with your comment ;)
I'm french (from south of France) and don't worry for your english, mine is not so good too :)
I also have 3 Colt SAA, a Remington 1875 and a Schofield in my airguns collections, but most of my guns are black powder revolvers.
With the Colt SAA Umarex you can also use pellets, as for the Remington 1875 that is delivered with both cartridge types, BBs and pellets. I don't know if it's really necessary to use specific pellet cartridge on the Colt SAA but one of my 3 models is a pellet specific version (it can't be used with BBs) with a different set of cartridges and a rifled barrel. When I use my other BBs models with pellets, I use the cartridges from the pellet specific model. Normally the pellet cartridges from the Remington should work with the Colt, this is the same format.
@@LauCassI am very pleased to receive your reply. I traveled to France three times. I've been to Paris these three times and I loved the city. Last time I stayed at the Fertel Etoile, on Rue de Acacia close to the Arc de Triomphe. I also visited some cities in the interior, which I thought were beautiful. They say it's wrong to send hugs to friends but I'm going to do it. Hugs my friend.
Question, If I do this wouldn’t I mess up the hammer spring in the gun I think I already did because I tried this but I didn’t do the cylinder thing I have no more gap but I think I messed up the gun because I tried to reverse it but the hammer was very weak
If the hammer spring is to weak after you revert the mod, just thighten it with two clamp.
how or where did you get the grips? im in dire need of different grips
I found the grips here: www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/accessoires-des-armes-et-customs/1495-insert-rattlesnake.html
Hello friend, a question... Is the Co2 valve part of the Peacemaker the same as the Remington Crosman 1875???? It's just that I read your comment that the hammer and spring are the same in mod. Because my valve failed in the revolver Crosman Remington 1875 and I don't know if putting a valve part of the peqcemaker umarex works by installing it, towards the Crosman Remington 1875?.
I never tried to mount the Umarex SAA Co2 valve on the Crosman 1875 but it looks exactly the same. I'm pretty sure you can put a SAA valve on the 1875.
@@LauCass Thank you i apreciatted... another question i have... The crosman 1875 revolver is ambidextrous using bbs and pellets. The Peacemaker model only Pellets with black grips, can you use Bbbs and pellets at the same time? Haven't you tried shooting with Bbs and vice versa? I want to buy a Colt Peacemaker from umarex but it says only pellets according to umarex in use, but I don't know if I can put bbs in it, as it usually is in the Crosman1875, both pellets and bbs.
@@Epiphone444 there is two versions of the Umarex SAA. One that is pellets only with a rifled barrel and one that is BBs by default with a slick barrel but that you can use it with pellets, so this version is similar to the Crosman 1875. However the Umarex SAA with slick barrel is not sold with both cartridge type as it is for the Crosman 1875.
Can you tell me how you can move the hammer spring to the desired position? because it is quite difficult to move
You must use something to move the spring to the desired position. I have a thin plate of metal to do this but I read in the comments that someone used the handle of spoon.
I have done this hammer mod to my Umarex Limited Edition Double Aces Duel Set. I am currently modding a box for display purposes and will be posting it up soon on my channel - BB ARMOURER. I will be telling people how I achieved the hammer mod. If you are still getting notifications of comments, can I post a link to this channel for this mod. I have not done the barrel mod but did do it to a KWC .357 Python a couple of years ago. Not sure if I'll do it to my pair of .45's, as they will be mainly for display. They look great now the hammer is fully home. I have a nickel plate version and a blank fire one as well.
Salut! Bonne video. Pour la décoration (pas pour tirer), quelle réplique est la meilleure? L'Umarex SAA ou la denix? L'Umarex vaut-elle les 100€de plus? J'ai une ASG Schoffield 4.5 CO2 Diabolo (je tire très peu) et un Pietta 1851 acier (jamais tiré) que j'ai en déco dans une vitrine comme vous. La Denix, ferait-elle trop tache à cotél?
Salut, c'est une bonne question et la réponse est oui: un SAA Umarex est bien mieux qu'un Denix, la mécanique est parfaite sur l'Umarex et vraiment approximative sur un Denix. J'ai des PN, des airguns et des Denix dans ma collection et même esthétiquement il faut impérativement customiser les Denix pour leur donner un aspect correct. Mais si il s'agit de juste exposer l'arme (sans la manipuler) les Denix restent quand même une alternative bon marché qui peut faire son effet moyennant une bonne customisation. Ca reste aussi un moyen de se faire plaisir à donner l'aspect que l'on veut à ces répliques Denix ;)
@@LauCass merci pour la réponse. A quand un tuto de customisation Denix? ;)
@@isluderea8322 c'est plus compliqué car il n'y a pas forcément de recette magique, tout dépend de ce que l'on veut faire. Mais pour resté basique et juste donner un aspect plus réaliste à un SAA Denix (jen ai une dizaine) ce que je fait en principe c'est: décapage pour mettre le zamac à nu, polissage si je veux un rendu type nickelé ou bronzage si je veux une aspect classique, patine si je veux un rendu vintage, ajout d'une fausse 3ème vis sur la carcasse (côté gauche) comme sur les vrais Colt, huile Tru Oil sur les plaquettes de crosse, ... Après tout est question de goût et de ce qu'on veut en faire ;)
Hello, I was wondering what your thoughts are about getting a Kolser replica or a Umarex Colt airsoft replica?
Since I'm more into airsoft I was thinking about the Umarex but it seems to me that the Kolser looks better.
What are your thoughts about it?
Hello, it depends on the gun model. I have some Denix and Kolser non firing Colt SAA replicas and the Umarex SAA is really better regarding the mechanical parts. Kolser is a bit better than Denix but the SAA model is not really good compare to a real steel, I prefer the Umarex. If you are interested in other old west gun replicas the new Kolser Navy 1851 is really good, they really improved the quality on this model and it's very close to a real steel, all parts of the gun are cloned from a Pietta 1851 black powder gun. The best non firing replicas I have are from MGC (Japan) and all models are really good. But it's hard to find them now since these replicas are from 1970's and no more produced.
@@LauCass Hello, first of all thanks for your in depth reply! The model that I'm interested in is the Colt SAA 5'5", I would like to have one just for spinning and decoration. Some questions regarding the Umarex:
- Is the Umarex closer to the real steel and how is the hand feel of it compared to the real one and a Kolser?
- Are those custom black wood grips for the Umarex because the standard grips were plastic IIRC? If so, potentially where could I buy them?
@@naajzzzHello, from my point of view the Umarex is really better than a Kolser. The purpose of the mod in the tutorial is to make it feeling like a real steel when you manipulate it. The cylinder spinning is a real pleasure after modification and it's not possible to do this with a Kolser SAA. Moreover the balance of the Umarex is really good and I love the hand feeling of the Umarex. The only one thing that is not really accurate on the Umarex is the grips size, it's higher than a real one (due to the space needed for CO2 sparklet).
The black grips are not wood, I just painted the plastic grips in black on this one. You can find real wood grips for Umarex SAA (and some other old west replicas) on this web site, but it's a bit expensive: www.woodengripsandmore.de/c/holzgriffschalen/umarex-colt-saa-holzgriffschalen
@@LauCass Thanks for the reply! Yeah, I've heard about the weird grip angle on the Umarex but besides that it looks like a great replica. So more than likely I'll get one of those!
Doesn't removing the inner barrel affect the performance of the pistol? No seal to chamber?
The goal of this mod is to make a demo gun and you can't shoot anymore.
Please can you tell me the width of the metal plate that yoy use to push the hammer spring backwards? Thank you....
It's about 10mm.
@@LauCass Thank you very much for your quick answer!👍
Does the modification to the hammer mechanism make the pistol non functional?
Yes, but it's easy to reverse.
I'm doing this on a remington 1875, could you please tell me how to insert the hammer? if I try to put it on the second hole, I'm hindered from inserting it due to the rear sight being too long
To get the hammer sping back what I did is the following: I put the hammer back to have the spring in the desired position and then I inserted a thin plate of metal under the hammer and in front of the spring to maintain it in this postion. After that you can remove the hammer, mount it with the spring in the new position and remove what you used to maintain the spring.
@@LauCass thanks! :D
Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
how much more likely does this make the spring break?
I did this mode on several revolvers since more than a year and no spring break on all of these guns.
Can hammer and barrel be revert back if I want the revolver to be able to fire again?
Yes it can.
@@LauCass Great, thanks!
Where did you get the snake emblem from?
Here: www.westernguns.fr/accessoires/accessoires-des-armes-et-de-tir/1495-insert-rattlesnake.html
thank you. it really help alot.
The gap is very annoying
Is the new hammer slot already there or you should drill yourself?
It's already there. But with this modification you CAN'T shoot BB's anymore since the hammer will keep the CO2 valve opened. This modification is to transform the airgun into a demo gun. So if you want to shoot it again you must restore the original spring position on the hammer.
Ok what if I jus modify the hammer and change it to that new position will it still shoot the bb’s?
No, the hammer modification will keep CO2 valve opened, so it will be not possible to shoot BBs.
@@LauCass ok thanks
Why do they have the gap between the hammer in the first place?
This is by design to trigger the CO2 valve
Does this work with the king arms SAA too? (or similarly}
I don't have any King Arms but I think that mechanical parts design is different. However I guess it could be possible to do the something similar on K.A.
@@LauCass thanks
I cant get the hammer spring back. Pls give more detail how
To get the hammer sping back what I did is the following: I put the hammer back to have the spring in the desired position and then I inserted a thin plate of metal under the hammer and in front of the spring to maintain it in this postion. After that you can remove the hammer, mount it with the spring in the new position and remove what you used to maintain the spring.
Thank you, i will try that
Now how do you remove all the white letter markings?
just sand it off
Isn’t the umarex a bit bigger than the actual SAA?
The size of this Umarex replica is the same than the actual SAA, except for the grips that is taller. The reason is the size of the CO2 sparclet.
On my one, the screws are too tight to undo, what should I do?
Which screws are you talking about? There is no screw involved in the modification.
Keep your hands off the gun.
@@LauCass at 1:11 you need to remove the screws to remove the frame and access the mechanism
@@binguser344 yes, but there is no problem to remove the screws by using an adapted screwdriver.
Thanks for this video. That hammer gap is uglier than a man'sass. I'm getting into some airsoft SAAs and that gap has got to go.😃
Can this be done on the CO2 Colt Smoke Wagon?
Yes this can be done on the Umarex Smoke Wagon model. But keep remember that this mod makes the gun non firing.
@@LauCass I wouldn’t mind having the hammer gap because I still want it to fire, but to get the cylinder free spin, would shortening the inner barrel so it’s barely touching the cylinder be a better alternative instead of removing it entirely? Because removing the inner barrel would cause the firing to have low accuracy and shorter distance, but if you just shorten it to the point it isn’t locking the cylinder, barely touching it, it should only drop the accuracy and range just a tiny bit, right? This was, we get the best of both worlds, being able to fire and free spin the cylinder. If this can be done, how do you shorten the inner barrel?
I’m totally new at this and I want to do it right, so I will really appreciate the help if you can advise me on what to do.
@@atlasprime6193 I never tried to keep the revolver firing and just get the cylinder spinning freely. I think it' feasible but better than shortening the inner barrel I would try to just shorten the inner barrel spring. This spring applies the pressure of the inner barrel to avoid gaz leak in the barrel.
Good job. Are you interested in selling the 4.5 caliber barrel removed from this revolver? I need to replace the barrel on mine and I can't find this part for sale. I can buy more than one if you have it.
No, I'm not interested in selling the barrel. Sorry.
@@LauCass Thank you anyway.
很厲害餒❤❤
Does it shoot with no issues???
No, this mod makes the gun non firing. The goal is to transform the airgun into a demo gun that behaves as a real steel.
@@LauCass Aahh ok 👍 thanks for the relpy
Excellent. 👍
Non ho capito una cosa: perché, alla fine, non ha rimontato la canna interna da 4,5 mm.? 🤔
Perchè questa modifica rende la replica non funzionante, c'è scritto nel video.
Con questa modifica al primo "sparo" la valvola farebbe uscire tutto il co2.
Così diventa più realistica ma non funzionante, anche se può essere resa funzionante nuovamente rimontando tutto come prima.
In the end, this mod broke the pin necessary to have the cylinder rotating... too bad.
Well I’m really going to be real with y’all this makes it look more realistic that’s it but I caused one problem. The hammer spring will get fucked up in the process meaning your going to have to keep it as is for the rest of the time unless you call umerax to get it repaired. The reason there is a gap is so the hammer doesn’t rest on the c02 since the hammer gap was fixed there is going to be a constant waste of co2
As it's said in the video this modification makes the gun non firing. It's for collection purpose. Anyway it's easy to revert it to make the gun firing again.
But after this the gun wont be able to shoot... 😵
This is not for me!!! I like to use it for shooting.
Interesting though
It would be great if we could add a bigger screw head to the hammer screw, in order to cover this ugly philips screw..
You're right, the screws on the Umarex SAA are not acurate at all.
Just glue the head of a larger screw with super glue.
So you've just decommissioned it then
for this result, why not buying a replica, there is at least 2 makers, Denix and Kolser... the grips are more realistic in size and they no need modifications....🤔
I also have Denix and Kolser replicas but the mechanical parts are really crappy compare to the Umarex airgun. When you manipulate it the Umarex is far better than a Denix or Kolser.
But it now would be very inaccurate surely ?
With this modification it can't fire anymore. The goal is to have a non firing gun that is closer from a real steel about the mechanical part. But you can go back to the original configuration in a few minutes.
@@LauCass Ahh I get you. I performed the hammer gap mod and I am pleased. I would prefer to keep it as a firer for now.
Is it going to be functional if you perform only the hammer trick?
@@stnikou no, because the hammer will always push on the CO2 valve.
Maybe it could fire a real bullet after this mod! If one was made small enough, as soon Umarex doesn't make anything bigger than 4.5 mm for this type of gun
It looks like to do the hammer mod there's nothing special other then changing position of hammer spring ?
As for cylender spin...your removed the barrel.
With hammer mod soes cow leak?
You removed the inner barrel, with out the inner barrel you can not shoot the gun. If by chance you could your shots would go wild and there would be zero accuracy and very low fps.
I would live both the hammer mod and the free spinning but I need to retain my accuracy.
I love your video however the impression.i get is now neither of those can fire and 8f can.will.have zero accurracy low fps and very low range.
Did you even read what I'm saying at the beginning of the video (text in red)? Yes of course this mod makes the gun not firing, the goal is to get a demo gun with mechanic similar to a real steel, that's it. Anyway the mod is completely reversible in a few minutes.
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Now it has 4 hammer clicks intead of 3 so messes up the sound completly
Real Colt guns have 4 clicks: C.O.L.T.
In the early days of SAA, the hammer was placed directly in front of the primer and a small tap on the hammer was enough to fire the cartridge.
Experienced shooters have therefore left the top chamber of the drum empty to prevent this from happening, but they lost one shot.
That's why clever engineers have put a lot of brains into making the revolver safer and introduced this gap. Unfortunately, you didn't understand that and reversed it.
There's a good reason lay people aren't allowed to work on guns.
If that were a real gun, I'd have to congratulate you on your suicide special.
It's an airgun replica transformed as a non firing replica. On this airgun replica the gap is really huge and the modification is just to make it look like a real steel, no mre. It's you who understand nothing ;)
@@LauCass I understand that it is a non firing replica, that's why I wrote "If that were a real gun...".
But there are a lot of guys out there, who don't see the difference and don't know, what they are doing.
The current real steel models have this gap, although not quite as large.
I must admit, this gap looks a bit strange, but has a good reason and this is, what I wanted to point out.
@@nielsschmidten6560 e so modifica a espoleta da bala kkkkkk assim nao tem desparo sem uma batida muito forte do martelo