Apple Lisa vs. Xerox Star 8010 Computer Comparison
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Jason Perkins demos an Apple Lisa and Xerox 8010 Star ⭐️ the early Graphical User Interface beautiful vintage computers
Come and see these machines and more at vintage computer federation east location in wall Township New Jersey www.vcfed.org for more information
Awesome to see the Zerox operating and compared to a Lisa!!
I believe this is one of the only fully functional Xerox 8010 Stars so its a nice treat to be able to use it! And the Lisa was super nice as well
DRGUILLOTINE WOW!!
I was thinking it must be quite rare but had no idea!!
Back in the 1980s I worked with both the Xerox 8010, and the 6085 for about 6 years total. There was a next program loaded onto them called Versatec EXPERT (Drafting), part of their Engineering CAD software that also had PC board design. I cannot seem to find much information on, but for it time, was really powerful. Even to the point where you could load a picture into a drawing in order to trace it. I would have to reboot the computer to switch between Viewpoint and EXPERT CAD.
It seems like I remember there was either GUI improvements, or we had all of the options for such things as similar to todays Copy, Paste, and also Drag and Drop functionality. Also, the 6085 went to one of the first optical mouse - Though needed a specific patterned 8" X 7" Aluminum grid pad.
You have brought back SO many memories (and nightmares)..........LOL Interesting the keyboard you have the for the 8010 I've never seen before. Seems like a transition model from the original "clunky" 8010, and the modern "sleek" 6085 keyboard.
PS - I hope you never get the dreaded system crash error code of 915, or 935. Sometimes a full system reload was needed.
Wow. That Xerox was really impressive for 1981!
Those 8" floppies are pretty crazy, too.
The size of the Xerox Computer case is something to behold super heavy and the resolution of the monitor was very clear in person the camera does it no justice
Also check out the Xerox Alto from 1972!
This is a great history lesson!
My father worked with one of these in the old days. Always amazed me that the Star had a 17" 1024x768 (roughly) pixel display in 1981. That wouldn't become the norm for personal computers for another 15 years or so.
Really nice! The Star is gorgeous!
Thank you for this video pearl, comparing Xerox and Lisa side by side, Now the challenge is to implement their counterpart in mobile applications.
Another 4-bit wonder. 'Only' 1 font, because as Larry Tesler himself said in 2017 it was about message not loudness. It took a while for me to clock the Covid mask, lol, so infatuated I am by the Xerox! Thanks Dr Guillotine! You've made my month! The AMD Am2900 microprocessor, as used in Apollo/Domain workstations. A true Risc Architecture. ⚛ 💞 💫
Why did the US government pull the plug on the Pixar Image Computer? 🖋
We had the 8010 in our Binghamton Xerox field office right up until the late 90's. When we upgraded the memory to 56K that was huge lol. When we switched over to Windows 3.1 we all thought Windows clunky in comparison. It was in color though.
Thanks for sharing the story I wonder what happens to that system would be cool to see if it still exists
Xerox Star was introduced for the IBM PC in color around the time the Intel 80386 was in use. It also ran on the Sun Sparc 10.
I hear somebody talking about New Hampshire in the background 🙂
Very nice video, I'm jealous, as I badly want a Xerox Star too :-) Just a little correction: the Star isn't the first commercial computer with a GUI, The Apollo with Aegis in 1980 and the Peq with Accent in 1980 too preceded him, as the Star came on the market in 1981. But the Star is the first commercial computer with a full Desktop metaphore. the Apollo had a windowing system but there was no desktop, and the Perq was like the Alto : a mono task system.
Well what we meant was Xerox was the first with Alto 1973 and this was a later and updated release 1981
@@drguillotine7485 Yes, if you speak about Xerox as a builder, but the Star isn't a updated Alto, it's a whole new computer. They used the Alto in the first stages to develop the OS but then switched on the dedicaced hardware when it was ready. You can read that on this excellent page describing the history of the developpement of the Star :guidebookgallery.org/articles/thexeroxstararetrospective. Therefore, the Alto is the first Computer with a GUI available in other form than a concept, the Perq basicaly the same but commercial (the Alto was never commercialised), the Apollo was the first with a windowing system, and the Star is the first with a real desktop metaphore. And this is in my opinion the most cool thing about this computer :-)
excerpt from the page: "Since the machine upon which Star ran was developed in parallel with the software, it was not available early-on for use as a software development platform. Early prototyping and development was done on Altos and successor research machines developed at PARC. Though the Mesa language ran on these machines, development aids for Mesa programmers were lacking."
@@stephanepitteloud1849 thanks for sharing I’m still learning about these vintage computers some of them I hearing and seeing for the first time. I’m noob on a mission to learn
DRGUILLOTINE no Problem! Ist was mean to be constructive :-) the subject is interesting and it’s not so easy to get precise information on those old systems. By luck some guys like your guest are still keeping them alive!
@@stephanepitteloud1849 yessss I was told that this may be the only working model of this machine that is known of course there may be others but this is the only one that is in a museum that we know of that is functional
Still have my first computer with 8" FDD in working order ; feeling terribly old suddenly...
Your not horrible old! Old but not horrible 😜😜😜
What type of Monitor you are using @ the star?
We do have several stars and daybreaks running (as well GlobalView on Solaris, IRIX, Win95 as well NT).
VCF is using an original Star monitor.
Licensing the fonts should be pretty easy there was always a master password for licensing aaaaaaaaaah58 I think the system date has to be pre-1992?
What a beauties! Ahead of their time
Great video brought back so many memories!
Sad to think I had one of these with all software disks,vampire ethernet tap, being the dumb ass I am I traded it back to Xerox here in Halifax for a lame 386 pc! Oh well, live and learn.
I *am* surprised that it had the hourglass cursor, though. Interesting that the Macintosh team chose to use a wristwatch instead.
4:41 Looking at this at quarter-speed, I can tell that they're drawing the entire circle in a very serial way (drawn from one point and turning it 360°). Bill Atkinson's quickdraw routines were much more efficient, copying portions of the calculated circle at least four times.
6:31 Looking at this frame-by-frame, it doesn't seem that LisaGraf had the same level of optimization as QuickDraw
Hello! Can we use the video at the spanish public tv news program "Telediario"? Thank you!
Okay please credit Vintage Computer Federation , Drguillotine and Jason Perkins
For anyone who doesn't know Steve Jobs and Bill Gates attended an open house at Xerox and both got their idea from seeing a Xerox PC while there, anyone wanting more info watch "The Xerox Thieves" on UA-cam.
I remember references to Multi-Tasking Lisp and "Pilot" being the O/S.
The 8010 was so slow though. But this was a time when the Hardware had not caught up with the capabilities of the software.
Licensing was expensive, but Xerox gave DEEP discounts for education.
I miss using my 6085 Model 1.
These had a double life, as the Xerox 8000 Network server too!
If you dig deeper, I think you will find that Ethernet was a Collaboration between Xerox, Intel and Digital Equipment Corporation.
That Xerox Star 8010 is pretty amazing for 1980! How much RAM does it have?
I think VCF's has 1.5mb
@@compu85 Cool! Thanks
Eso si eran computadoras😂😂😂
Aunque también me gusta mucho Windows 10 porque es muy potente xd
What is with the mask?
What’s with the stupid question?
I thought wearing a mask I. What looks to amount to being your own home, even with another person, to be silly.
I go to restaurants with friends and have dinner with friends in my home, We don’t feel the need to wear a mask.
@@2A3PowerTriode Why the hell do you care? The dude wants to wear a mask. How is this a problem for you?
@@OldAussieAds I just find it humorous.
@@2A3PowerTriode we are required to wear a mask during the festival..it’s the museum’s rules.
That mask is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen
Your comment is the most ridiculous thing I’ve read...
Thanks my mother made it. It is nice and silly!