RZR Pro XP4 vs Talon x4 Live Valve - Which one I chose and why
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2020
- I have been looking at replacing my 2016 RZR with a new machine for a few months now. Well, I finally pulled the trigger and it came down to the RZR Pro XP or the Honda Talon Live Valve. In this video I talk about which machine I chose and why.
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This is awesome. I'm excited for you and your family which is what it's all about. The videos will have a lot of variety for so many. Cant wait.
Thanks for the review. I was looking at these. Can’t wait to get one.
It's a blast especially around Thanksgiving...probably about 75 to 100K people there all having a great time. Have a great day, and love the vids you guys put out.
Just got mine in today it’s amazing hands down best toy for the family
Seems like you made the right choice according to your needs wants. I'm watching to see how the Talons perform for now. Take care
Congratulations! I look forward to seeing some cool videos! Tires would be a great place to start.
All you boys leaning into reliability. Love the combination. Be a great year of videos and comparisons for viewers and purchasers.
They don't sell the 4 seater or R in Canada up here though you see tons of 4 seat rzrs and 72 wides everywhere. But does it come in x model only down there or in r also?
Martorious Martuzzi #44 All the 4 seaters are based on the 64 inch wide x model
I knew you were getting the Talon, and its an awesome choice! Its what i wanted before i found a great deal on my S4
Great video. Thanks for the details on the reasoning.....
CONGRATULATIONS JOE! YOUR TALON LOOKS SWEET!
Thanks brother!
I have the Talon 1000x-4 fox live and love it, all i have done is four point harnesses, light bar and mirrors.
Might do tires later when they need replaced, enjoy life is better side by side.
Congrats, love my Talon R
Just purchased my new talon 1000x4 live valve still in the break in process,my 1st one sence the Honda Odyssey from the 80's wow what a come back .me and the wife can't wait to cruise the smokey mountain Gatlinburg Tennessee and camp .
I was stoked to glean all your insight on the Honda Talon. This is exactly what I was looking for in regards to viable information to compare against the RZR- price, reliability, usability and how the whole family will experience the ride with stadium seating. Decided to go with the Talon.
Congrats! My buddy just bought a two seat Talon for his kids...seems cool! We don’t see Talons out in Glamis too much so I’m curious to see how it would do. Moto City is an awesome place especially “Guy” in the parts department. Should have seen Marty in sales...he’s a cool dude!
Got one and love it!!
Picking up a grey and green 1 next Tuesday. My wife n kids are.so exited..
Awesome!!!
crongat's , now the channel has a nice variety, the krx 1000, xrc 1000, talon 4 1000 gonna be a fun year watching your video's.
Yep we really wanted to show case different UTV’s. Also Dave still has the Defender and I have the Teryx4 still. 👍 -Garrett
This is the video that I have been looking for. I to am in the market for a SXS and have been torn between the Honda Talon 1000x 4 Live Valve and a conventional CVT machine. I have been very intrigued by the Honda DCT and Honda reliability over all. I am eager to see your upcoming videos with the Talon and how you build your machine. I too am of the "frugal" nature and am looking forward to seeing your build. I think you have helped me make my decision. FYI, my family and I will be moving to STV in October '20 so I will definitely be following your channel and will be looking up MotoCity and working with John. Thanks for helping me with my decision happy trails and I will definitely like and subscribe and look you up on patreon.
Thanks Don. We're planning to organize a few rides each year and hope to see you on one. I have to say, the fit, finish, and quality of my Talon is leaps and bounds above what I came from. We'll definitely have quite a bit of content on it coming soon. -Joe
Thanks buddy - that helped
I was at dealer getting ready to buy a can am than talking to service department yes belts are a problem with all of them .So I have made my mind up going Honda and I wasn’t even considering them .But after the reviews I think I’ll be very happy.
Congrats. Just picked up a X3 XRC last weekend
Nice machine!
Good review. Clearly spoken details . Nice focus on the family fun ride reasons. Hey is the drivers seat adjustable?
My brother got same exact machine. He loves it. Check the nitrogen in the shocks and put some 30s on it. My brother put 32s.
Nice choice, if I up grade from my 17 xp 1k ride command in future I think I’m definitely giving Honda look sweet ride.
As with any other Honda product, I think just overall reliability would beat anything else. Enjoying my rzr trail for now, but will upgrade eventually to a Talon 4 seater in the future! Great video!
I have a 2019 Talon X first thing you need is skid plates the oil pan it crazy close to the bottom of the frame and the factory skid plates are only 1/8in thick, I put the 1/2 in factory UTV skid plates on mine
Very cool Joe! The Talon is a nice machine! Hard to beat the Honda reliability!
I plan to deff buy the same exact machine next year myself and first thing ill be doing is bigger tires light bar front and back reeves mirror aswell as side mirrors full windshield and deff steel skid plate and then some sort of sound system weather I build my own custom system or buy a fited one and then a full l.e.d set up all around so I can be seen coming at night
I own both, well not a live valve but only because red is my farm color! And after 1700 miles I have had no issues with the talon....but the Polaris drive train is a maintenance nightmare. However the belt and clutch in the Polaris has never been replaced. But it does warp the housing and the belt gets wet easily. No issue for a talon. Took a while to train my foot on the talon to not snap necks at low speed.
Well damn, just in the market for a UTV and I'm here in the Phoenix area. Woulda been interested in your rzr.
There are very different machines to be cross shopping but both are pretty cool. For me the pro xp is so rewarding to push hard when your feeling froggy, it just gets better the more you push it and the Honda and Yamaha just can’t reach those limits because the suspension more so then the power
Do you still feel this way in 2022? I'm cross shopping the basic xp1000 and the talon live suspension.
Thanks for the review. I would have liked to see more technical data in your video. I understand that you purchased the Talon primarily due to price and reliability, which are big on my list. However, I would have preferred to see other reasons. The Razr has 110 HP vs the Talon at 104 HP. Did you test drive both the Razr and Talon? Did you notice a difference? How was the handling of each? What type of terrain are you riding on? Etc..... Good video outside of lack of technical details. As someone commented below, I would love to hear comments on how the Talon performs. I am contemplating purchasing the Talon also so I look forward to your comments.
I agree with your purchase, I have an 18 rzr xpt4 and I have been seriously thinking of trading it for the Honda Talon 4 seater. Couple things I want to point out, you talk about price but I think honestly a guy can't compare the two machines because the XP Pro has a lot more to offer one of them being almost 80 more horsepower. You equally equip the Talon with a turbo and 32 inch tires and such and you're going to be at the same or more in price. I do see the benefits of not having a belt, but the belt system is usually a pretty reliable system and if you carry a spare belt you can be fixed in about 15 or 20 minutes. Your belt issues was caused by a lack of maintenance and checking those bolt on your belt housing not the fault of the machine necessarily. There's lots of reports of those Honda Transmissions giving issue, and when they do you can't just pop on a new built and be on your way you'll be done and be walking back to the truck or being towed back to the truck. There are pros and cons to both, I don't see that one outweighs the other at least not at this point.
The next issue is reliability, Honda has it, at least for the most part. The side by side Community can say what they want but in most cases the Honda is going to give less trouble and less downtime compared to anything Polaris has to offer. They might have made their machines a little bit better but in my opinion they're still not to the quality and dependability of the Jap stuff.
Polaris makes very fun and usable machines but they also create lot of unhappy buyers due to their constant issues and breakdowns. Honda will continue to steal Polaris and Can-Am sales if they can truly build a machine thats more dependable and reliable. And that dependability will need to continue even after installing turbo and such modifications. It's not fair to compare a machine with a turbo to a machine without a turbo and say that one is more reliable, only time will tell in this department, but my bet would be with Honda even with an extra 80 to 100 more horsepower.
Congratulations! I knew it be the Talon and I think it’s the perfect choice for your family. I think a set of 32” Terrabyte tires on the stock wheels for now would be my first suggested upgrade. I’m looking forward to seeing the new family cruiser up herein Utah’s Dixie! I haven’t lost my glasses that way, I stepped on mine. Maybe even worse. You’re not alone! 😥🤣👍😎
On another note I just yesterday found out that Sand Hollow will be hosting 3, yes THREE major Offroad/UTV events in just over a month this fall. Starting with the Trail Hero in early October, then UTV Takeover sandwiched in late October before the long established SxS Adventure Rally in mid November. I personally feel this is too much and will stretch resources thin. And I worry about the area being over loved. Riders and venders probably won’t attend more than one. Let’s have some discussion?
Thanks Marv! Can't wait to get some seat time in this thing!
I'm with you on sand Hollow... They at least need to move one of those events to the spring... -Joe
Congrats Joe! Hope I see you out there! Keep an eye out for one of the only yellow sports out there. Ha ha. Talon makes sense. If free money fell from the sky and I was in the market for a 4 seat I might go XP Pro.
Thanks! Taking the family on a ride this weekend. Not sure where yet... Probably go up to sheep's bridge from cave Creek but we'll see.
And heck, if free money fell from the sky, I'd have both! 😜 -Joe
@@DerangedOffRoad Yeah that is a fantastic ride. I need to get back up to Cornville, but too easy to ride down here. It's supposed to be 70 up there.
Now that you've had it for a year. Still happy? I'm Honda blood through and through and I'm in the market.
I'm down in Tucson, but the best deals on ATV trader seem to be in anthem
Fantastic review for family guys! May I ask about what your older polaris was and why you moved on/up to Talon?
It was a RZR 4 900. Biggest reason was suspension and reliability. Got stranded without a belt once and that was the final straw... -Joe
Hey Buddy, great choice! I've been in the business for 30 years as a parts manager and have always worked at Honda, Polaris and Yamaha dealers and I will tell you right now I wouldn't own a Polaris if you paid for it! Sure they are innovative but that's only because Honda will not put something on the market until it's proven. I tell people all the time I would sell maybe 6-10 Yamaha belts a year and on an average good day from a sales prospective I could sell that many Polaris belts in a day!!!! Not to mention all the other parts that fail and the sad thing is you never know what it's going to be electrical, axles, clutches everything you just never know!! Anyway enjoy your new machine it's awesome!!!!!!
What size trailer is that? Would it have fit with a back gate?
I also plan on getting an x4 but I’ll buy the black one that orange is just way to bright for me. I will have shock therapy dial in the suspension the Talon is way to stiff from the factory.
Very stiff!! That was the first big complaint my buddy's dad had when he first purchase his Talon. What I've gathered from a few other sources is that the live valve, which should be softer is actually quite a bit stiffer. I feel quite a few people with either machines are going to need some suspension work so the live valve is to a point not worth the money.
What price did you get for the talon?
35K for a side by side is nuts! Polaris better come down a ways or people are going to go else ware as they are already looking and buying other brands. I sat in a Talon and didn't fit to well, so I didn't take that hard of look at it. Hopefully it works out perfect for you and your family.
KampinKevin same here. I’m well over 6’ tall and a bit husky, it felt small and cramped to me. 👍🏻
I’m looking at the talon 2 seater are you still happy with the talon
I’m looking at the talon or Polaris general just not sure about the general or the price tag wanting the xp version of course
I am. If I could go back, I’d pick the same rig. For the 2 seaters, I’d recommend getting the springs replaced shortly after you buy it. $300-$600 but we’ll worth it. -Joe
No gearbox trouble?
Do you still like the talon? I’m going to buy something this week but I’m debating talon 4 or rzr 4 xp. Coming from a 2 seat x3
Go rzr pro Xp.
Talon has live valve as well
Good choice! I put 32s on mine and love them. Check out my channel’s talon X4 accessory video - light bar, winch, rock lights, windshield, etc.
Do you have to re-clutch the machine to put bigger tires on there?
Most machines can handle up to 32” with no changes. When you get up to 35”, you’ll want to look at clutch or gearing changes. -Joe
Underpowered compared to a turbo, but definitely the right choice for the long haul..!! We have one in our crew.. Sweet machine..!! If anyone is near KY, check out Dan Powers Honda pricing.. Tell'em Team Wax Offroad told you..! 👍
Yes! Get the bigger tires ASAP
Do you have experience with this machine and what size would work best? 👍
How’s the back seat in the talon compare to the pro for room wise. I know the pro is pretty big in the back
The Pro is the best there is but the Talon is not far behind for rear passenger room. If budget is a concern, and you’re choosing based on rear passenger comfort, there’s not enough difference between the two to validate the additional cost. -Joe
Nice machine, do you mind if I ask what your out the door price was? I am thinking of getting the same one.
I'm curious as well considering one of these 2 models in few months
Dealers aren't big fans of sharing OTD price and I like the guys over there so I won't do it here but I will give you a ball park. It was less than $28k and more than $25.5 with the extended warranty. Taxes in AZ were nearly $2k. The big guys in my town weren't close
-Joe
Didn't realize you're in Maricopa County (I'm assuming). I'm up in Arrowhead Ranch.
Queen-tucky!
@@DerangedOffRoad Opposite corner!
I'll checkout Moto-City next weekend.
I'm still SXS hunting and I'm between the ProXP and Talon. It'll be my first SxS. However, just bought a house, I'm single and thrift. This fickle as what to get. I want performance and have a lot of motosports experience but I'm 40 so could go will not slower.
What size trailer did you bring the Talon home on?
A 12 footer. No tailgate. -Joe
Great choice. The pro is faster and handles better, but the reliability and build quality aren't great. My polaris requires nonstop maintenance, while my sisters talon has needed nothing but oil and filter changes over the 1,500 miles she has driven it.
matt dyer curious as to what Polaris you have and what issues you’ve had? I bought RZR turbo last spring and put 1200 miles on with nothing but fuel and oil changes...still feels and looks like new.
@@snowrulesnate I have a 2017 rzr s 1000 eps. It has 1,900 miles and I have replaced all the wheel bearings 3 times, replace all a arm bushings twice, and swingarm bushing 4 times. Also have had to rebuild the primary clutch.
matt dyer that definitely seems excessive. Do you grease your wheel bearings at the recommended intervals? I purchased the adapter tool for $20 off Amazon and did grease all my wheel bearings at like 600 miles. I’d recommend that after any machine is submerged in water or mud to assure it pushes anything out. My only complaint is how much we have to pay for these toys!
I've had my 2020 talon for 2 weeks and love it! Put a swamp donkey soundbar in that is made for the talon!!
Sweet, man. I’ll get there one day. They are so sweet
From the outset, the only thing I dislike about the talon is its roll bar. From behind, going down a trail at high speed, it bounces around and looks like a covered wagon from an old western movie. I can see why many owners drop a few bucks for a new cage and roof.
Yeah a cage makes a big difference in safety and looks.
@@DerangedOffRoad Got a question sir: Ever set up a booth at Glamis? Not sure what your business is, but there are so many people out there this time of year, anyone in the off-road business can make a killing! Have a nice day from So Cal....Roy
Actually it’s unfortunate to say we have never been to Glamis. We plan of trying to get out that way early next year but we will see. -Garrett
Get a turbo for the talon. 160 plus
I purchased mine 2 months ago,here in Michigan my dealer can beat your dealer any day, it only sales Honda brand, I got mine for under 24k out the door, maybe because I’m repeating customer, I had purchased 3 other units in the past from him so maybe is why, I didn’t ask, l just knew that was the best deal anywhere.
what dealer??
Still enjoying it? How does it perform loaded down with people
Yes. Still a great all around rig. 4 adults and it’ll be underpowered in the dunes or soft wash sand or if you head up into high elevation(10,000+). Suspension can be stiff but a couple hundo in springs and it will be much improved. -Joe
Is it possible to take off the whole top cage and just have it open too convertible??
You can take the roof off, but you wouldn't want to remove the actual structural roll cage
Deranged Off-Road oh yes I would. But that’s just the game I play, brother. I love the channel and videos!!
What size trailer is that?
12’. -Joe
Turbo???
Can you put 32” tires on these?
Yes I have 32s on the Talon now.
Can you add 32’s stock? Do you still prefer this over the razor?
Yes he added them to a stock machine and the stock rims. I think he would still choose the Talon over the Razor.
You never said how much you paid for it?
Jeff Bull 22k
What size is your trailer ?
The one from that vid is a 12'. I moved to a 14 footer with ramp. It fit fine with stock tires but when I moved to 32's, it wasn't quite long enough. -Joe
Deranged Off-Road thank you
7000 miles on a Honda 1000 R and no problems Can a Polaris or can M do that
Yes. They do it all the time
I am considering a new Talon. I am just tired of the constant problems I have with my Rzr. I'm just very disappointed in Polaris quality. Honda has to be better.
Did you do it? Anything to report?
Is anyone making a bench seat for the rear yet?
Should have got the pro. Still a cool machine though
Both great machines and I'm sure I would have loved it but couldn't be happier with what I got. - Joe
We went to the dealer and ruled out the talon 4 because the rear seats are just too tight.
Oh man, have you ever sat in the back of a rzr?
A 2 seater Talon in Australia is $38, 898 drive away and there is no such thing as a "street legal kit" here.
That's crazy. I'd have to find a different hobby
RZR forever.
Boy she gave no f's. She wanted a puppy.
Obviously Japanese brands are better than Polaris
Should have bought the Can-Am he made a mistake
How do you figure?
@@DerangedOffRoad hes a fanboi, only reason
Screw that, you might as well be trying to drive a bus down the trails. The Can-Am 4 seaters are very long, very expensive and hard to see over the hood and are a nightmare to work on. At least as far as a four-seater option they would be at the bottom of my list.
Don’t buy can am or Polaris 🤮
Well thought out arguments
If you are okay being slow.
Talon is junk.. the suspension has bad geometry!
Go look at shock therapy videos and hear from a pro that actually know about the bikes. Not some shmoe thatjust bought one and thinks he knows anything about them.
With all due respect Unicorn Queen, shock therapy’s opinion is not gospel. If you want to kiss their butt though, you’ll have to get in line cause there’s plenty of pro’s like you already standing in line, lips puckered.
PS - We never claimed the Talon was as good or better than the ProXP. We own one of those as well, and I can assure you it’s not. -Joe