Salsa Warbird with RockShox suspension and Tailfin bag bike check | The ULTIMATE Bikepacking Setup?
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2021
- This might be the ultimate gravel bike setup for fast and light bikepacking. And to find out, I rode the Badger Divide, a 320km (200mile) off-road gravel route stretching between Glasgow and Inverness and taking in some of the most stunning scenery and spectacular gravel tracks you’re likely to find in the UK. And here’s a detailed look at the bike, equipment and setup choices I made for the adventure
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Dog looking around like "who is this mate talking to?"
Ohhh, the kind dog is so nice!
That very good dog needs a proper introduction, maybe a recurring role. Who's a good dog?
You rode an astonishing 9 sec in the 10t cog. Chain rings are still way to big for gravel bikes. No need to have a 42:10 ratio. I ride a 38:11 for my tallest gear, and the only time I'm in the 11t cog is when I adjust the rear derailleur.
I had this set up with a steel frame on drops with a pro strut suspension and it work great, I never knew someday that setup would come alive because it was really an awesome customized bike that I had.
Awesome Setup! 👍👍👍
Watching you pedal up those hills makes me think a Mullet with 52 eagle would have been really nice to have.
great video, really enjoying your channel
Thanks so much!
sick set up
That is a very sweet rig, but definitely some big dollar add one with the shock and wheelset. I use a 700c Carbon wheelset for daily gravel and road riding with the supple Rene Herse 38mm Barlow Pass tires. However, for rough bikepacking trips, I just use a 650b alloy wheelset with 50 or 55mm tires. Supple, sturdy and relatively inexpensive. So many options!
My husband is thinking of putting a 30mm travel fork on a Salsa Journeyer so this was helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
Another great video, love this channel. Looking forward to the ride footage?
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Where is the ride footage? I can’t find it!
wow!
Same shorts for 4 days would kill me. I'd include a collapsible nylon bucket that I can do some washing in -- it does double duty as a thing to shove the sleeping bag into before putting in the rollbag -- you can pull it all out by the handle.
Excellent thorough review. Thank you. May I ask how loud are the hubs? I’m one of the few ppl that likes a quiet ride.
I really really wanna see comparasion between fox ax and rockshox rudy, much thanks!
Wouldn't in some ways the Cutthroat with an 80-100mm sus option be better as it has more room in the frame triangle & option for those tasty Rene Herse 29x2.2 Fleecer Ridges?
thumbs up for the dog
This is my next acquistion but in alloy, can't wrap my head around carbon for a rear rack, lots of rub and sway. Oh and who's titanium cookware kit do you use?
Nice rig. The terrain looks like a hardtail 29er route with a 2x. Lol
Did you ever make a video about your trip?
These light things aren’t a problem when they are new. Parts break over time.
"Worry about rocks hitting the frame"
The mountain bike community watches on, puzzled that these questions are still being asked. You'll also give some people palpatations over using hydraulic disc brakes. Apparently they fail and you can't fix them. Again, the MTB community looks on in bewilderment.
I wonder as 2 friends recently have had broken carbon frames from rock impacts
@@monty2078 That sucks but get better quality carbon bikes and get some basic downtube protection. Even aluminium bikes now come with that.
@@monty2078 That sucks but get better quality carbon bikes and get some basic downtube protection. Even aluminium bikes now come with that.
I have a gen 4 warbird with the original carbon fork and I believe it’s 20 lbs and small change. Amazing you got it to 18 with a suspension fork and dropper. Those wheels must be dangerously light. I’m running a wider tire and alloy rims but still …
That’s 18kg mate.
LOL dang metric@@klaisyonborges271
Nice video but Ive got a question. The Rockshock Rudy fork was the Ultímate model or the Rudy 30without blocking? Could you please clarify this topic? Thks
Do you think a 63 to 75mm suspension would have been better as the Rudy is only 30 to 40mm there nice fork very light but look out of depth in this terrain
Hi! Whats the bag multicam you use for your inner tubes? Thankyou very much!
Was the dropper post useful? I'm not against the idea of dropper post on gravel as getting the saddle out of the way is a good way to boost confidence on steep descents, but the travel distance seem too short on this one
Surprisingly more useful in Scotland on some of the steep tracks full of boulders than it has been on my local trails. Pretty certain I could live without it though but there were a few times when it was nice to have
Where is the video of the Badger Divide? I can't see it on your feed.
the front wheel looks like hit able to hit your toes at 3:37?
May I know the info on the series of bicycles from which brand?
FOUR days in the same shorts? Did you wash them each night? How did you dry them? Chamois cream?
It's paradoxical to me that most WarBird riders (apparently, I'm an exception) abuse the most beautiful gravel bike in the world right, left and centre. I wouldn't ride without mudguards in the muck or wet. Even plain dust from rare rides on dusty, unpaved cycle paths gives me second thoughts about riding off-tarmac again.
A question, David: is the WarBird yours - or was it a loan? How would you rate it, compared to all your other road and gravel bikes? Of all the gravel bikes I have (incl. a Genesis Datum, a Norco Search XR C2, a Norco Search XR S), the WarBird (2019 / 2020) is my favourite on counts, encompassing looks (those seat- and chain stays! Haven't seen anything as beautiful to date), comfort, speed. I wonder how Salsa manages to squeeze all of these properties together in this grossly underestimated beauty of a bike. The only thing I'd wish for - would be a couple of degrees more top tube slope - a couple of cm higher stack (to make the need to use headset spacers obsolete) - and a couple of cm shorter seat tube (to make it possible to clamp the rig onto the work stand with a RedShift ShockStop installed). And, just in case, a threaded bottom bracket (so far so good with press-fit bottom bracket, though).
Well, what do you think of the cutthroat or Fargo? I believe you might have just described their geometries in the second portion of your comment
good steel and no suspension the rest is very smart and not overloaded...
You can't ride that terrain with no suspension. The rudy ultimate been used here are not fit also for this terrain. 30 or 40mm is far to low. Min 75 to 80mm to enjoy and feel more confident and comfortable. This gravel bike thing is bit silly. We had hybrids before them. So what happens. You add bigger suspension what you got a hybrid with racer handlebars. So why do we need to buy a bike called gravel when hybrid does it all lol
How come your dog is so calm and sitting listening to your talking?
I could say it's really good training, but it's more likely she's just bored and waiting for me to stop waffling and get back to actually riding the bike which she loves!
No grinding in the largest cogs? My GRX 1x grinds in the first two gears even with it being well oiled, it only gets worse once grit gets on it. Any tips? It looks like the chain is straight around the middle of the cassette (6th).
go 2x, simple
@@lechprotean I do on my road and XC mountain bike. Thought I'd try 1x when bought my gravel bike because the 2x didn't have a clutch and it's nice having the gears sequentially, plus it's easier to keep clean in winter. Definitely less efficient though.
Where’d you carry food for evening meal and breakfast? Or did you stop at pubs etc?
Combination of pubs (be rude not to) and carrying ready meal pouches in the seat pack and cooking on the stove. This worked well for a couple of days of dropping in and out of civilisation
These guys would appear to have a wonderfull product. We live in NZ and went to website to purchase. The prices were in $NZ and we were then charged in $Aus. When we complained no acknowledgement or apology. We cancelled the transaction and were refunded 3.5% less than we paid. Beware the FX rates charged are extortionate.
Would it not be less muddy with some kind of mudguard????
The Tailfin acts as a sort of mudguard! And you can get one for the RockShox fork but I don't have one to test yet
Did you always have a tailfin? Welcome to the club anyway, they are great. Edit, nope, its new. Knew you would like it
Tailfin is genial 🤩
Yup first time using it and don't think it'll be the last
@@davidarthur why no frame bag?
Trying to keep the whole setup as light as possible and because the Tailfin was big enough to take most stuff I needed
Hi, nice review. Thanks for sharing. But to answer your question and also your comment in the beginning. I would never use a carbon frame for this. If you have a major crash, you can NOT repair it on the trip. Hot even the village mechanic, who could weld your Fairlight. In even more remote places it would be the end. Carbon imho is for racing only.
Another thing that I do not get: Look at all the mud/sand on this bike. Why on earth do you not use (as beeing in Britain ;)and mudguards???
Everything gets dirty and after some days you wil have everything full of mud (actually it is all full of mud) and the wear and tear on the drivetrain is enourmous. Is ist just the looks of mudguards? I do not get it ... Cheers
The few times I've gone gravel riding with mudguards on, they quickly get blocked by large clumps of sticky mud, leaves and stones. 💩It literally sticks to the top of the mudguards, and slowly builds up to the point where the wheels won't even go round. You spend longer unblocking your mudguards than you do riding! 😂
Agreed on mudguards. Carbon or not - they are essential in the muck or wet! I have my WarBird, Datum, Search XR C2, Search XR S - all outfitted with full-size mudguards - and wouldn't like it any other way.
What do you do for water on long rides like that in the middlle of nowhere?
We managed to get adequate drinking water from stops but used fresh stream water for boiling to make food and hot drinks but we had some purification tablets just in case
@@davidarthur Thanks David!
@@davidarthur what about food? did you take enough with you at the beginning?
I carried plenty of riding food, malt loaf and flap jacks as well as expedition freeze dried meals with a small stove to heat water, but we planned good stops at cafes and pubs as well so we didn't have to carry all the food we needed for the entire trip
No issue at all finding water in Scotland. Just take a filter; I used a MSR Trailshot on this route in the summer. It was hot and I could fill my bottles- almost at will.
How does the Tailfin affect the bike handling on ascents & descents? Also, what size cargo cage did you put on your setup?
Minimal wobble first, then nothing noticeable. That's loaded up with both panniers and an AeroPack. The TailFin is excellent in most ways. My main niggle, apart from the price, is that the lighter panniers will abrade and tear much easier than anything Ortlieb or Vaude. According to TailFin, they're guaranteed for 5 years agains tears, etc. Will get in touch with them and see if I can get replacements.
If I was to nitpick, I'd also point out at the fairly limited space between the latch handles for the AeroPack and the panniers. It will get a bit tricky sometimes to squeeze your fingers in to release the latches, especially with the panniers fully loaded. Not a real issue, but not entirely perfect. Also, the panniers are a tad on the narrow side, which, though aids the aerodynamics of the setup, limits capacity somewhat (most Vaude and Ortlieb panniers I've had over the years are a bit more spacious. The rubber inserts for the latches that attach the rack to axles - are removable (an advantage in itself), but can come off during removal of the rack; likewise, the original type (metal) top top stay -to- arch retention clips can disengage and drop, the revised ones are rubber and apparently improved, but look quite flimsy (N.B.: it should be stressed that these clips do not retain the two components together - they're a secondary safety feature). Also, the little rubber end-bumpers for the hollow carbon horizontal struts are glued to the said struts, and tend to get un-done. Their purpose is purely aesthetic, but it's a shame this happens. Also, my second set (I ordered two) was green in parts; this turns out to be excess bonding material (epoxy?) filling the void, where there ought to be more carbon. I contacted TailFin; they assured me that this won't affect the integrity of the rack. So far so good.
The positives: there are too many to name: they're incomparably beautiful, especially the carbon versions; they're light; essentially no-wobble; very reliable for such a light system; they're fairly versatile - will mount to the QR axles, TA axles or seat stay eyelets, the latches that attach the system to axles / TAs or frame mount adapters - are pleasantly tactile. I've used one for shopping and commuting for 3-4 years thus far (and the other - a few months as yet) - they're holding up perfectly (touch wood). They're rated to a load of 27kg in total (9 kg per pannier and 9 kg for the AeroPack) - from experience, I'd deduce they should cope with that.
All-in-all - despite a couple of niggles (they are appearing to be working on small functional improvements, for there've been at least two iterations as of yet), the TailFin is the finest, most advanced and technical of all the racks I've used to date, including the titanium Tubus Airy (the second best rack system, best suited to metal bikes). Recommended!
@@LeoInterHyenaem I still can't get over the price ...
What breed dog is that?
Id rather something cheaper to fix if i break it I don't need to be riding around thinking about the cost of fixing a carbon frame(nevermind how you get out of the woods if you crash)
What kind of carbon layup is that dog?
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
probably high modulus, but to be safe i send it over to hambini to get it checked out
Was anyone else screaming at the screen "Tell us about the dog!"???
Motion to include dog in every new video
If there's one thing you can always rely on it's a GoPro will let you down 😂
true dat!
30 lbs?
Way off, nearly 40lbs!
This video’s got a dog in it. Gets a thumbs up automatically…
The rear bag looks disgusting! Why couldn't Tailfin design a small rear fender? That's the beauty of Topeak seatbags: leave the dirty outer shell on the bike and take the clean inner sack into your tent.
I don’t believe you can notice any difference in compliance with those rims that’s nonsense and just hype. You’re already riding a bike with wide tyres at very low pressures and you have a fork with 30mm of travel on the front! Sorry, but there’s too much of this misleading crap from all of the main players on YT!
I understand you might feel it's difficult to appreciate the difference and think it's all BS but even with big tyres and suspension you can feel the different the wheels make, in the same way you can feel the difference in frame material/design and wheel material/design. If you get the chance to try it you'll know what I mean
I just rode carbon rims on a 2 day bike packing trip, they were noticeably comfier and better tracking.
mtb rider: yawn!
Did you hear the part about speed? Gravel bikes win when touring or bikepacking. Less rolling resistance and lighter weight.
Proof, yet again, that nobody needs a 10 sprocket ....or an 11, really. One day, people will go back to double or triple chainrings and have a good old close-ratio block. I'm still the only person I know who uses 12-25 shimano 11sp cassettes (and even junior 14-28 with a 53/39) ...even shimano have just changed their 12sp 11-28 ratios to give you (back) a 16 & 18 sprocket that are missing on 11sp 11-28