Nice demonstration of the symmetrical AWD by subaru,i drive an 23 jear old legacy station with no issues at any road conditions,just passed the 340000 km mark, great car to drive, now i want go for the ascent in the near future.:)
Glad to see the limitation of the AWD on my 2002 Forester overcome. Three times I got stuck in snow where the power didn't go to the proper tires. I just today ordered a new Outback. That's about the only thing that makes me look forward to winter. Well, not look forward to it but not dread it's coming so much.
Most of that generation of Forester had an open differential and no intelligence in the ABS to use brake traction control to send power. Some had a limited slip read differential that was quite weak.
The point of this video is that not only will it drive out using the rear wheels (in the same way as your 4x4) but also this car will drive off the rollers using just drive to 1 front wheel. Not many other systems can do this and not many people understand why its such a good system. I hope this video helps you understand.
I've owned 3 subarus now, all 3 of them have great AWD systems, however my later 2 had VDC, and that honestly makes Subaru's AWD fucking awesome! I never got stuck, even with all four wheels in mud, the VDC always sent the wheels the correct amount of torque to each, with no problems!! Best cars ever, hence why it's the only brand i've owned!
Very good demonstration and detail explanation on the deactivated throttle control button that answer my question on how realistic it is when running at real off road condition!
i bought the 2013 Subaru forester with X mode. the car is fun to drive. I live in United Arab Emirates were there is sand dunes and beaches i drive on the sand with no problem. even my wife who never driven 4X4 having fun driving it. i am aiming to buy the 2014 XT model next year. it is a good buy.
The VDC was in the mode that prevents the engine torque reduction. So the button was pressed. This allows the engine to rev freely. The car does drive off the rollers with the system active (in road mode) but is more effective with the system in Off Road mode.
depends on the year of manufacture. i believe the current outback is the ground clearance king of the two. invest in a aluminum front skid plate, rear axle skid plate and 15inch steel or rally spec wheels with a decent snow tire. These cars love the foot print of 15inch contact patch. The skid plates allow the car to plane over snow, mud, and debris. It will blow your mind where a Subaru will go set up like this.
Deere2630 - I am the Subaru UK chief instructor for off road and performance driving and can assure you that the Subaru Forester and all other current Subaru cars will automatically apply the brakes on the spinning wheels to send more torque to the wheels that have more traction. There is a limit to how hard the brakes will be applied to prevent transmission damage. You can feel this working in practice by a slight juddering type of effect as the brakes are being pulsed. For the best effect rem
The VDC system activates at lower revs in the auto models (Lineatronic) as there is no chance of stalling the engine by braking the wheels. If you brake the wheels too early in a manual version it could stall the engine. This is why the traction control comes in later on a manual. This is usual in other makes too e.g. Audi allroad. Autos can allow the brake traction control to activate at lower engine revs. The manual Subaru's easily drive out of the rollers, they just require slightly more re
@@wiciuwiciu2783I’ve taken my old (‘95 L & ‘03 OBW) manual Legacies through stupidly thick mud and snow without issue. They just seem to plow through everything.
I'm telling ya, if Subaru were to make an offroad package, similar to what Jeep did with the Wrangler Rubicon, and add a bit of lift, more aggressive tires, a LOCKING rear diff, and a LOW range ( like they had in the BRAT ) they would sell every single one they made. There would be a waiting line of Subaru loyal buying them as fast as they could make them.
Subaru usually has supply issues as they can not build their vehicles fast enough to keep up with demand. They already sell every single car they make.
+Mike Goyhman I think I did. Almost 5k off sticker price. And given what the car is capable of doing, it's was a hell of bargain compared to other cars in its class.
I have a 2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X and it also has brake traction control that works with or without VDC on....just like the 2011 or newer models. It works flawlessly. I've tested it on off camber situations in dirt, mud, snow, and ice and have yet to get stuck. It's without a doubt the best AWD system on the market regardless of price.
I believe you and I completely understand the concept, if you lived somewhere snowy in the winter, with a front wheel drive car, no slip diff or locks or anything, just snow tires or chains, would you go with this system in terms of price and value or an actual limited slip built in the axle
Keffirful - the Brake Traction Control was added on the latest generation Subaru's, I assume your Outback is the previous model.Your Outback should have a viscous type centre diff and possibly also the rear diff but will definitely have an open front diff.
I hope this works better than my 2010 Toyota Rav4 AWD system. I got stuck while trying to reverse out of an iced over parking space with a slight dip at the front wheels. Very embarrassing. Rear wheels had traction but no power.
I’ve own all European Vehicle; bmw and Mercedes, I just pick up a Subaru Baja and fall in love with it. Something about the Subaru Baja that make it simple but intricate to own and operate. I love the symmetrical awd system.... thumps up for Subaru....
If you have an automatic you will have a centre clutch pack (or active torque split / variable torque distribution), however the manuals have a mechanic LSD 50:50... The 3.6R's have a slightly different setup though, with a clutch pack AND differential.
Not too happy with mine right now. 2015 WRX cvt with 61k and I got a ticking sound coming off the engine. Been parked for over a month now still making payments. FML!
Why doesn`t this Brake Traction Control works on my 08 Outback? It doesent matter if the VDC is on or off. It is just an open diff system, with no help from the brakes. I tested the system with 3 wheels on ice, and one wheel on tarmac. It didn\t move at all...
Have a 2018 Mitsubishi PHEV whould love to see a good explanation of how its all wheel drive works. Ther manual is sketckhy on the details. Just bout to start our winter driving season in Ontario Canada on Nokia winter tires R3 suv
@subaruvideos, last week I miscounted number of threads on a CV joint and fitted a 23 thread front axle on a 24 thread CV joint, it was a Toyota 100 series,with abs, on engaging the gears , the axle slipped on the CV joint and kept spinning and the vehicle couldn't move, it got me asking if a Subaru with it's awd , would the power distributed to the other wheels result in the car moving inspite of the disconnected axle
Snow and rollers aren't different in that way. It's all about electronic traction control system. Not about the mechanical 4wd system. Older subaru's don't have traction control, they usually have some kind of mechanical things like VCU. But the traction control is much more powerful. Although the traction control requires a different driving style, you must give more throttle, the computer will get information from the abs sensors, and break wheels that are spinning.
i drive a 2009 forester Diesel and i was driving up a verry! muddy and steep hill without te esp off and it stil went uphill on street tires man i love my car :)
@mahballzrhari ... Going farther, the forester is lighter than the outback and it have the new FB series engine, that have being improved, so when you compare the petrol and diesel engine, the forester will give you better fuel consumption and less emissions. So a you can see, to say which one is better depends on your likes and needs. Hope it helps.
I have had a Subaru forester 1997 (automatic) from new, that has been great for all the years with very little to do other than annual services. However, recently I have had a lot of vibration & shuddering on the wheels when making tight turns (left or right). It is difficult to identify which wheels the noise or shudder comes from and I don't feel much through the steering wheel. I have had all difs replace that has reduced the frequency but not always. We hope it isn't the automatic gear box but has anyone got any ideas what to do next.
Yes i had the same issue with my 2006 forester xt. Its the CV axles. I had mine replaced and installed and car hasn't shook since. I imagine it also shakes when going over 70mph right?
Thanks for the feedback.... I will have that checked..... although I have not noticed it at speed (70+MPH) but only when turning tight turns. I will tell you if it works.George.
Crown vics were roomy and cheap. Before the gas crunch of 2008, some cities like New York specified that a certain number of "cleaner fuel" vehicles needed to be put into service. After the gas crunch, more and more cabbies are replacing thirsty, v8 crown vics with more fuel efficient Priuses.
What sort do you have? My 2001 Outback had all the technology these new ones have :) If you have a 3L Outback you will likely have brake force distribution.
I have a 1999 Outback legacy, I used to have a Ford F-150 4x4. The Kentucky mountains killed the Ford... Subaru is the kind of the hill at our house. Looking to get a Forester next.
+rotaxrider They use a very similar system, just updated and made even better. 2016 models also have x-mode which help in extremely slick conditions or off road
X-Mode is designed for under 35 mph and gives more power to the rear tires, normal power is 80% front and 20% rear then it is 20% front and 80% rear. The Symmetrical AWD provides power to the front tires mainly until the vehicle recognizes the need to send power elsewhere.
+Dylan Piekarski Thanks. I never drove a Subaru but have and have had many 4x4 trucks but will be looking at buying a AWD/4WD/4x4 crossover/SUV to replace out second vehicle.
That's nice. My 07 RAV4 V6 will do this with the lock button engaged. It makes the rear wheels grab at the same the front do instead of waiting on the front to slip first. Plus, I have a video that showing how to override the braking mechanism on the RAV4 so it will spin instead of locking it down.
Would the same test perform as well with a mechanical gear box ? I understand this limited slip feature using the breaks is only available on CVT versions.
Marc Rechté it should. Most vehicles now days have electronic limited slips which use the abs system to control the wheel spin. That’s what Toyota uses for the crawl control in the Tacoma and 4Runner.
But unfortunately Toyota only uses in Tacoma and 4Runner, where the other smaller SUV has an horrible traction control. Some manual SUV with a decent traction control, can do this, but Subaru's manual transmission is very weak transmission for off road. The traction control won't apply too much brake force to avoid kill your engine, even if you try hard with your clutch to avoid this problem, it's gonna be a bit hard for your car and clutch.
thanks for info, Jason. One question: Current USA Subaru Forester XT's use a center clutch pack to split/send power between front and rear wheels. Do UK Foresters also use a center clutch pack, or do they have a true center differential (ala the Outback 3.6R?).
Do all recent Subarus have this ABS based Traction Control? I've seen quite a few Subarus on youtube videos disabled by getting one wheel on each axle on poor traction.
Sounds like a good vehicle to own but on the forums it seems as though these things are plagued with head gasket leaks that subaru won't admit they have. Plus maintenance is high. Been thinking about one but that's holding me back.
@PredatorSlayer1 I got a Forester 2.0 MT/ Dual Range, and believe me, that's the best car you can get. I've tried it on road and off road and works greats. But I recommend you the 2.0 Diesel, coz the engine torque. And if you want a real off road capability, get it with Dual Range system.
Oh ok no that'd go alright mate! :) It probably doesn't have VDC though the 2.5L '00 models, but yea when it does get wet just look for some minor spots to have a little fun and slowly gain confidence in driving off road, takes a while to get used to, just be careful! :D
@mahballzrhari wow!!!, that's a good and difficult question. Since the base mechanical system is the same on all awd subarus, to say which is better only depends on likes and usage. Both vehicles r specified for different people and usage, the outback is more a family car than the forester, being more luxurious and spacious. But the forester is a pure SUV so it have a design with more off road capabilities, like the shorter wheelbase and more ground clearance...
Any modern car can control road noise. Frames are better for offroading and towing. Unibodies are better for interior volume, road manners, ride control, handling, fuel economy, and weight control. Unibodies are definitely better for vehicle refinement. The Forester is one of the most capable CUVs. It doesn't need to be a truck. I
Only turbo-forester SG-5 has traction control system. 2.0 and 2.5 doesn't. So, they can pass this test if only front/rear wheels will be on rollers and other pair of wheels on concrete. Some drivers try to deal with this situation installing LSD rear diff (Cusco for example).
The Grand Cherokee has always been great offroad. The latest Range Rover is great offroad, The Land Rover is great offroad, The Forester isn't meant to be a truck. It is meant to offer a comfortable ride, good handling, great gas mileage, and competent AWD. With trucks you get the 4x4 and towing. Different appeal. Buy what fits your needs.
Yea it does. Sawd has been in cars since 95. Traction control is the worst. All of my subbies have never had traction control and i love it. Btw I currentily have a 2006 Subaru legacy wagon and i love it.
Steve was wondering what the maintenance & any repairs u have had to have on them? Im more a chevy fan. but i have seen clips were there all wheel traction dosent work as well.
allen Henry Hi Allen.......Maintenance is surprisingly inexpensive and not so frequent, my current OB is a 2005 3.0 flat 6 with 80`000 on the clock, so still running it in,lol. I had a CV joint clattering just last week but opted to fit both the full front driveshafts because it worked out cheaper. £128 for both and the mechanic I use did the job free as I helped him out with his computer. The 3 litre has a timing chain so no need to worry about the expense of a 70`000 mile change. They are also pretty to work on for the fairly mechanically minded like myself, brakes, disks etc are easy to replace and inexpensive. Wheel bearings are something to watch out for as they have a habbit of chewing the hub if you leave it too long to change, something which needs regular checking if you don`t know if or when they were last done. My last one had 183`000 miles on the original alternator, starter motor, fuel/oil/water pumps. They are built to last.
that subie was insanely modified, i can agree the range isnt too bad offroad but they've made look girly with those stupid low profile tires, the unibody doesnt really do anything, it just makes the car more expensive to fix and buy, and noisier since road noise cant pass through a frame, the subaru would, come to think of it, be far better offroad and more refined ona frame
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"No other manufactures offers this distribution of balance evenly across the car" Doesn't Porsche and Audi share this same layout? I know for a fact that the AWD versions of the 911 do since its basically the exact same layout as a Subaru but with the engine out back rather than the front. As for Audi, I think their A4 shares the same layout too (though I can't remember if the A4's engine is transverse or longitudinal)
They aren't symmetrical as I remember them. Subaru claims that because of the position of the engine which allows for all half shafts to be equal in length. I know VW and Audi do share the same layout. Not sure of porsche
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EGGINFOOLS Porsche's 911 4S and Turbo have the exact same layout as a Subaru with the only differences being rear engine, 6cyl, and 'maybe' better diffs and couplings. Other than that they are exactly the same, which just makes me wonder what Subaru is on about these days, is all.
Well ok i won't doubt you there, the crown vic probably wasn't a very refined car in terms of handling, but, it was, in my opinion, practical and cheap, and what about cab drivers, 99% of cabs are crown vics if i recall, but prius cabs are starting to emerge as well
The Jeep system is very crude, they are very prone to front diff failure. This is because the system applies the brakes harshly to both front wheels at the same time. The result being nowhere for the drive to exit causing catastrophic front diff failure! This happened numerous times on an Off Road course in Northamptonshire. Jeep themselves even came to the Venue to assess the problem. This was on 2006 petrol 3.7L Jeeps. So not all systems are the same.
Hello everyone,wich of Forester or Outback is the best for offroad.I go fishing and camping in deep woods.whats the difference between them.I had Jeeps and Suzuki,now and i plan to buy Subaru......thanks for reply :)
lekingreg too late, but anyways... Outback is a little bit larger, Forester is more compact. Both have the same ground clearance but outback has a softer suspension and Forster best angles for off-roading.
Forester isn't as low, very wide tall doors/ I've had one since 79 Gl wagpn, 98, & now 05 with only 126K....yrs to go, but I'd like a new one just once.
Well... I have had several Subaru's. I have never had one work like shown here. If your stuck in snow, and only one wheel has tration, you will never get that wheel to spin. Never! I love these cars and do feel they are the best AWD on the market, but roller and snow are two different things. one fron and one back wheel spin is about all you will ever get!
I've had Subaru, good little vehicles, with decent tires on them of course. Would like to see live demonstration of how they fix their chronic head gasket issue.Oh wait, they Never did.
problem i with these brake based traction control systems is that they waste and dissipate a lot of energy at the wheels being braked. a system that actually locked the differentials would waste almost none
nicsye12 they have an "x-mode" button that puts the traction control system into a very aggressive mode. It actually does rival and in some cases surpasses mechanical limited slip differentials, but is still a brake based system. I am actually reasonably impressed with its efficacy.
As far as I know other than a few years of the wrx and the 2000-02 forester s, Subaru has always had open differentials. From what i've read of their current systems they are all electronannies, great until a wheel speed sensor or something fails.
This video made me buy a forester 2 years ago. Best car decision so far for me and my family.
Nice demonstration of the symmetrical AWD by subaru,i drive an 23 jear old legacy station with no issues at any road conditions,just passed the 340000 km mark, great car to drive, now i want go for the ascent in the near future.:)
This video never gets old!
I remember watching it when I had my 2009 2.5 Outback, and still enjoy it driving my 2015 3.6!
Glad to see the limitation of the AWD on my 2002 Forester overcome. Three times I got stuck in snow where the power didn't go to the proper tires. I just today ordered a new Outback. That's about the only thing that makes me look forward to winter. Well, not look forward to it but not dread it's coming so much.
Most of that generation of Forester had an open differential and no intelligence in the ABS to use brake traction control to send power. Some had a limited slip read differential that was quite weak.
The point of this video is that not only will it drive out using the rear wheels (in the same way as your 4x4) but also this car will drive off the rollers using just drive to 1 front wheel. Not many other systems can do this and not many people understand why its such a good system. I hope this video helps you understand.
I've owned 3 subarus now, all 3 of them have great AWD systems, however my later 2 had VDC, and that honestly makes Subaru's AWD fucking awesome! I never got stuck, even with all four wheels in mud, the VDC always sent the wheels the correct amount of torque to each, with no problems!! Best cars ever, hence why it's the only brand i've owned!
Subaru is one of underrated Japanese Brand despite they produce amazing cars.
mr slick THE best if you ask me
Underrated?
Wrx's are everywhere, they are over-hyped if anything.
@ekim andersom In Indonesia quiet rare.may be less than 1 pct, even I like it.
They are quite Underrated in where I live (Hong Kong)
Everyone drive Toyota,Mercedes,BMW,Audi
Well they have issues with their boxer engines, particularly the head gaskets, and they bought Nissan's CVTs for years and they're complete garbage.
Very good demonstration and detail explanation on the deactivated throttle control button that answer my question on how realistic it is when running at real off road condition!
i bought the 2013 Subaru forester with X mode. the car is fun to drive. I live in United Arab Emirates were there is sand dunes and beaches i drive on the sand with no problem.
even my wife who never driven 4X4 having fun driving it.
i am aiming to buy the 2014 XT model next year.
it is a good buy.
Abdul Aziz Sayed your wife is allowed to drive?
I had one a few years ago and I can't wait to get another one.It is a great car.
I want to go on one of these test drives!!!
Excellent video. Finally someone who is explaining how traction control works. There's so much misinformation on the internet.
The VDC was in the mode that prevents the engine torque reduction. So the button was pressed. This allows the engine to rev freely. The car does drive off the rollers with the system active (in road mode) but is more effective with the system in Off Road mode.
jeremiah jenkins i have taken my 1998 outback through that same rollers and it made it through no problem at all
***** i think you've been paid to spread lies.
depends on the year of manufacture. i believe the current outback is the ground clearance king of the two. invest in a aluminum front skid plate, rear axle skid plate and 15inch steel or rally spec wheels with a decent snow tire. These cars love the foot print of 15inch contact patch. The skid plates allow the car to plane over snow, mud, and debris. It will blow your mind where a Subaru will go set up like this.
Deere2630 - I am the Subaru UK chief instructor for off road and performance driving and can assure you that the Subaru Forester and all other current Subaru cars will automatically apply the brakes on the spinning wheels to send more torque to the wheels that have more traction. There is a limit to how hard the brakes will be applied to prevent transmission damage. You can feel this working in practice by a slight juddering type of effect as the brakes are being pulsed. For the best effect rem
Jason Sharpe hello I've recently bought a used outback from the Subaru Franchise in Calisle. Is there any way I can go on one of these events?
The VDC system activates at lower revs in the auto models (Lineatronic) as there is no chance of stalling the engine by braking the wheels. If you brake the wheels too early in a manual version it could stall the engine. This is why the traction control comes in later on a manual. This is usual in other makes too e.g. Audi allroad. Autos can allow the brake traction control to activate at lower engine revs.
The manual Subaru's easily drive out of the rollers, they just require slightly more re
I love that my 2005 Outback with manual DO NOT have any traction control system, no VDC and it is unstoppable!
@@wiciuwiciu2783I’ve taken my old (‘95 L & ‘03 OBW) manual Legacies through stupidly thick mud and snow without issue. They just seem to plow through everything.
I'm telling ya, if Subaru were to make an offroad package, similar to what Jeep did with the Wrangler Rubicon, and add a bit of lift, more aggressive tires, a LOCKING rear diff, and a LOW range ( like they had in the BRAT ) they would sell every single one they made. There would be a waiting line of Subaru loyal buying them as fast as they could make them.
Subaru usually has supply issues as they can not build their vehicles fast enough to keep up with demand. They already sell every single car they make.
James McComb Yep, good luck getting a decent discount on a Subaru.
+Mike Goyhman I think I did. Almost 5k off sticker price. And given what the car is capable of doing, it's was a hell of bargain compared to other cars in its class.
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I've never seen it done in reverse before. Nice to see that works, too.
I have a 2010 Subaru Forester 2.5X and it also has brake traction control that works with or without VDC on....just like the 2011 or newer models. It works flawlessly. I've tested it on off camber situations in dirt, mud, snow, and ice and have yet to get stuck. It's without a doubt the best AWD system on the market regardless of price.
What happens if all the four wheels are put on rollers??Please demonstrate that.
I believe you and I completely understand the concept, if you lived somewhere snowy in the winter, with a front wheel drive car, no slip diff or locks or anything, just snow tires or chains, would you go with this system in terms of price and value or an actual limited slip built in the axle
When the Forester & the Outback were on the rollers was the VDC turned off or left on?
Keffirful - the Brake Traction Control was added on the latest generation Subaru's, I assume your Outback is the previous model.Your Outback should have a viscous type centre diff and possibly also the rear diff but will definitely have an open front diff.
No wonder all the skiers love Subarus
I hope this works better than my 2010 Toyota Rav4 AWD system. I got stuck while trying to reverse out of an iced over parking space with a slight dip at the front wheels. Very embarrassing. Rear wheels had traction but no power.
I’ve own all European Vehicle; bmw and Mercedes, I just pick up a Subaru Baja and fall in love with it. Something about the Subaru Baja that make it simple but intricate to own and operate. I love the symmetrical awd system.... thumps up for Subaru....
If you have an automatic you will have a centre clutch pack (or active torque split / variable torque distribution), however the manuals have a mechanic LSD 50:50... The 3.6R's have a slightly different setup though, with a clutch pack AND differential.
Not too happy with mine right now. 2015 WRX cvt with 61k and I got a ticking sound coming off the engine. Been parked for over a month now still making payments. FML!
Sslaziomad - yes it will have brake traction control.. All the current shape Foresters have it as standard.
I've got the 2000 Legacy Outback 2.5L. Sadly I haven't had an opportunity to play with it much. Seen pretty dry roads since I bought it 2 years ago.
Why doesn`t this Brake Traction Control works on my 08 Outback? It doesent matter if the VDC is on or off. It is just an open diff system, with no help from the brakes.
I tested the system with 3 wheels on ice, and one wheel on tarmac. It didn\t move at all...
Have a 2018 Mitsubishi PHEV whould love to see a good explanation of how its all wheel drive works. Ther manual is sketckhy on the details. Just bout to start our winter driving season in Ontario Canada on Nokia winter tires R3 suv
@subaruvideos, last week I miscounted number of threads on a CV joint and fitted a 23 thread front axle on a 24 thread CV joint, it was a Toyota 100 series,with abs, on engaging the gears , the axle slipped on the CV joint and kept spinning and the vehicle couldn't move, it got me asking if a Subaru with it's awd , would the power distributed to the other wheels result in the car moving inspite of the disconnected axle
Snow and rollers aren't different in that way. It's all about electronic traction control system. Not about the mechanical 4wd system. Older subaru's don't have traction control, they usually have some kind of mechanical things like VCU. But the traction control is much more powerful. Although the traction control requires a different driving style, you must give more throttle, the computer will get information from the abs sensors, and break wheels that are spinning.
Deere2630, you must have had earlier model Subarus, they didn't have the brake traction control. All now have it as standard.
vdc doesnt work that well with manual transmission.I have seen it in action.So why is that happening? Cause of the different centre diff???
Why are the drivers on the wrong side of the car??
What if you need the wheels to spin? I live in snow country
Ezrahumane, yes this is on all current Subarus, including the awesome 2011/2012 WRX STI's !
i drive a 2009 forester Diesel and i was driving up a verry! muddy and steep hill without te esp off and it stil went uphill on street tires man i love my car :)
what about the older impreza my99, does it have symmetrical awd aswell?
One of the best cars,uno de los mejores tienen mucho espacio para trabajar en el motor!!
@mahballzrhari ... Going farther, the forester is lighter than the outback and it have the new FB series engine, that have being improved, so when you compare the petrol and diesel engine, the forester will give you better fuel consumption and less emissions.
So a you can see, to say which one is better depends on your likes and needs. Hope it helps.
I need to know if this AWESOME system is in the 2011-2012 WRX?
I know, I know its a dumb question, but please, humor me.
Love mine Jason...2012 Forester 2.5x. The perfect and simple blend of all season driving driving capabilities . Excellent demo too friend.
No this system is fitted on the Generation 3 Forester. Generation 1 & 2 Foresters do not have the brake traction control system fitted.
when Subaru will offer lockable differential in rear axle?
What's the shooting part?
I have had a Subaru forester 1997 (automatic) from new, that has been great for all the years with very little to do other than annual services. However, recently I have had a lot of vibration & shuddering on the wheels when making tight turns (left or right). It is difficult to identify which wheels the noise or shudder comes from and I don't feel much through the steering wheel. I have had all difs replace that has reduced the frequency but not always. We hope it isn't the automatic gear box but has anyone got any ideas what to do next.
Yes i had the same issue with my 2006 forester xt. Its the CV axles. I had mine replaced and installed and car hasn't shook since. I imagine it also shakes when going over 70mph right?
Thanks for the feedback.... I will have that checked..... although I have not noticed it at speed (70+MPH) but only when turning tight turns. I will tell you if it works.George.
even the wrx sti ??
Crown vics were roomy and cheap. Before the gas crunch of 2008, some cities like New York specified that a certain number of "cleaner fuel" vehicles needed to be put into service. After the gas crunch, more and more cabbies are replacing thirsty, v8 crown vics with more fuel efficient Priuses.
What sort do you have? My 2001 Outback had all the technology these new ones have :) If you have a 3L Outback you will likely have brake force distribution.
I have a 1999 Outback legacy, I used to have a Ford F-150 4x4. The Kentucky mountains killed the Ford... Subaru is the kind of the hill at our house. Looking to get a Forester next.
Do all current 2016 models use the same AWD SYSTEM?
+rotaxrider They use a very similar system, just updated and made even better. 2016 models also have x-mode which help in extremely slick conditions or off road
X-Mode is designed for under 35 mph and gives more power to the rear tires, normal power is 80% front and 20% rear then it is 20% front and 80% rear. The Symmetrical AWD provides power to the front tires mainly until the vehicle recognizes the need to send power elsewhere.
+sloth2582able So can you lock it manually in X mode for when you need extra traction. Like leaving your driveway or parking lot?
Yes, its a button with a fairly large badge saying "X-MODE". Simply press it and the system helps you for when you need the little extra control.
+Dylan Piekarski Thanks. I never drove a Subaru but have and have had many 4x4 trucks but will be looking at buying a AWD/4WD/4x4 crossover/SUV to replace out second vehicle.
I like the car, but I worry about the new CVT. Please make some demo/explain video on your CVT. I would like to see how robust is this new design.
Would an equivalent outback with the 6MT be able to do this?
That's nice. My 07 RAV4 V6 will do this with the lock button engaged. It makes the rear wheels grab at the same the front do instead of waiting on the front to slip first. Plus, I have a video that showing how to override the braking mechanism on the RAV4 so it will spin instead of locking it down.
Great cars but is there a point in disguising the number plates?? If you were there, then you would see the reg. numbers, so its not a secret is it.
I just bought a 2004 Forester 2.5X. Does it have the same AWD system as the one on the video?
Would the same test perform as well with a mechanical gear box ? I understand this limited slip feature using the breaks is only available on CVT versions.
Marc Rechté it should. Most vehicles now days have electronic limited slips which use the abs system to control the wheel spin. That’s what Toyota uses for the crawl control in the Tacoma and 4Runner.
But unfortunately Toyota only uses in Tacoma and 4Runner, where the other smaller SUV has an horrible traction control.
Some manual SUV with a decent traction control, can do this, but Subaru's manual transmission is very weak transmission for off road. The traction control won't apply too much brake force to avoid kill your engine, even if you try hard with your clutch to avoid this problem, it's gonna be a bit hard for your car and clutch.
When is Subaru gonna bring back the forester Sti?
thanks for info, Jason. One question: Current USA Subaru Forester XT's use a center clutch pack to split/send power between front and rear wheels. Do UK Foresters also use a center clutch pack, or do they have a true center differential (ala the Outback 3.6R?).
Do all recent Subarus have this ABS based Traction Control? I've seen quite a few Subarus on youtube videos disabled by getting one wheel on each axle on poor traction.
I really do want a Subaru now
Sounds like a good vehicle to own but on the forums it seems as though these things are plagued with head gasket leaks that subaru won't admit they have. Plus maintenance is high. Been thinking about one but that's holding me back.
You won't be disappointed! But you might want to wait a few weeks and try the soon to be launched Subaru XV.
Great video
one wheel and the others three on the air? i wolud like to see that happend.
@PredatorSlayer1 I got a Forester 2.0 MT/ Dual Range, and believe me, that's the best car you can get. I've tried it on road and off road and works greats. But I recommend you the 2.0 Diesel, coz the engine torque. And if you want a real off road capability, get it with Dual Range system.
Oh ok no that'd go alright mate! :) It probably doesn't have VDC though the 2.5L '00 models, but yea when it does get wet just look for some minor spots to have a little fun and slowly gain confidence in driving off road, takes a while to get used to, just be careful! :D
I have a 2004 forester I do not have no fancy buttons, I was able to get out of sand dune with out much difficulty
the best awd
Most practical AWD system ?
Would a 2013/14 WRX pass this test?
Yes.
@mahballzrhari wow!!!, that's a good and difficult question. Since the base mechanical system is the same on all awd subarus, to say which is better only depends on likes and usage.
Both vehicles r specified for different people and usage, the outback is more a family car than the forester, being more luxurious and spacious. But the forester is a pure SUV so it have a design with more off road capabilities, like the shorter wheelbase and more ground clearance...
Any modern car can control road noise. Frames are better for offroading and towing. Unibodies are better for interior volume, road manners, ride control, handling, fuel economy, and weight control. Unibodies are definitely better for vehicle refinement. The Forester is one of the most capable CUVs. It doesn't need to be a truck. I
would the 07 forester 2.5x premium pass this test?
Only turbo-forester SG-5 has traction control system. 2.0 and 2.5 doesn't. So, they can pass this test if only front/rear wheels will be on rollers and other pair of wheels on concrete. Some drivers try to deal with this situation installing LSD rear diff (Cusco for example).
Андрей Кругляк I have a 2010 Subaru Forester 2.5 with traction. Not sure what you are talking about
2008+ is SH Forester. We are talting about SG 2003-2008. Only turbo had traction.
The Grand Cherokee has always been great offroad. The latest Range Rover is great offroad, The Land Rover is great offroad, The Forester isn't meant to be a truck. It is meant to offer a comfortable ride, good handling, great gas mileage, and competent AWD. With trucks you get the 4x4 and towing. Different appeal. Buy what fits your needs.
Hi! does my 2007 legacy sedan do this?
Only if yours has VDC (traction control).
Yea it does. Sawd has been in cars since 95. Traction control is the worst. All of my subbies have never had traction control and i love it. Btw I currentily have a 2006 Subaru legacy wagon and i love it.
Can you drive a suby with cvt up a steep hill? All the videos I've seen say no.
Isn't that what a dif lock is for?
I`m on my 4th Outback.
Subaru.....there is no substitute!!
Steve was wondering what the maintenance & any repairs u have had to have on them? Im more a chevy fan. but i have seen clips were there all wheel traction dosent work as well.
allen Henry Hi Allen.......Maintenance is surprisingly inexpensive and not so frequent, my current OB is a 2005 3.0 flat 6 with 80`000 on the clock, so still running it in,lol. I had a CV joint clattering just last week but opted to fit both the full front driveshafts because it worked out cheaper. £128 for both and the mechanic I use did the job free as I helped him out with his computer. The 3 litre has a timing chain so no need to worry about the expense of a 70`000 mile change. They are also pretty to work on for the fairly mechanically minded like myself, brakes, disks etc are easy to replace and inexpensive. Wheel bearings are something to watch out for as they have a habbit of chewing the hub if you leave it too long to change, something which needs regular checking if you don`t know if or when they were last done. My last one had 183`000 miles on the original alternator, starter motor, fuel/oil/water pumps. They are built to last.
Looking forward to a Forester EV!
Hi Jason, Im assuming the XV has this capability also? Thanks
that subie was insanely modified, i can agree the range isnt too bad offroad but they've made look girly with those stupid low profile tires, the unibody doesnt really do anything, it just makes the car more expensive to fix and buy, and noisier since road noise cant pass through a frame, the subaru would, come to think of it, be far better offroad and more refined ona frame
"No other manufactures offers this distribution of balance evenly across the car"
Doesn't Porsche and Audi share this same layout? I know for a fact that the AWD versions of the 911 do since its basically the exact same layout as a Subaru but with the engine out back rather than the front. As for Audi, I think their A4 shares the same layout too (though I can't remember if the A4's engine is transverse or longitudinal)
They aren't symmetrical as I remember them. Subaru claims that because of the position of the engine which allows for all half shafts to be equal in length. I know VW and Audi do share the same layout. Not sure of porsche
EGGINFOOLS Porsche's 911 4S and Turbo have the exact same layout as a Subaru with the only differences being rear engine, 6cyl, and 'maybe' better diffs and couplings. Other than that they are exactly the same, which just makes me wonder what Subaru is on about these days, is all.
A good LSD in the rear is useful, but is of no help if the only wheel with traction is one of the front wheels.
watching this video after i got my first subaru. Ouback 2024.
Well ok i won't doubt you there, the crown vic probably wasn't a very refined car in terms of handling, but, it was, in my opinion, practical and cheap, and what about cab drivers, 99% of cabs are crown vics if i recall, but prius cabs are starting to emerge as well
The Jeep system is very crude, they are very prone to front diff failure. This is because the system applies the brakes harshly to both front wheels at the same time. The result being nowhere for the drive to exit causing catastrophic front diff failure! This happened numerous times on an Off Road course in Northamptonshire. Jeep themselves even came to the Venue to assess the problem.
This was on 2006 petrol 3.7L Jeeps.
So not all systems are the same.
Hello everyone,wich of Forester or Outback is the best for offroad.I go fishing and camping in deep woods.whats the difference between them.I had Jeeps and Suzuki,now and i plan to buy Subaru......thanks for reply :)
lekingreg too late, but anyways...
Outback is a little bit larger, Forester is more compact.
Both have the same ground clearance but outback has a softer suspension and Forster best angles for off-roading.
Forester isn't as low, very wide tall doors/ I've had one since 79 Gl wagpn, 98, & now 05 with only 126K....yrs to go, but I'd like a new one just once.
Well... I have had several Subaru's. I have never had one work like shown here. If your stuck in snow, and only one wheel has tration, you will never get that wheel to spin. Never! I love these cars and do feel they are the best AWD on the market, but roller and snow are two different things. one fron and one back wheel spin is about all you will ever get!
And no four roller setup?
No vehicle would come out of four roller.
Wauh, amazing.. My dream model
the range is an suv, the cherokee is a crossie, and it's only good offroad when lifted
If the system had a lockable centre differential, it wouldn't need to apply brakes to the three wheels spinning.
I've had Subaru, good little vehicles, with decent tires on them of course. Would like to see live demonstration of how they fix their chronic head gasket issue.Oh wait, they Never did.
problem i with these brake based traction control systems is that they waste and dissipate a lot of energy at the wheels being braked. a system that actually locked the differentials would waste almost none
I think the newer STi's can lock the differentials at the command of the driver.
nicsye12
they have an "x-mode" button that puts the traction control system into a very aggressive mode. It actually does rival and in some cases surpasses mechanical limited slip differentials, but is still a brake based system. I am actually reasonably impressed with its efficacy.
Land Rover came up with the system back in the 90s and if they think it's good, it's gotta be pretty good.
YES10 ford invented traction control:)
As far as I know other than a few years of the wrx and the 2000-02 forester s, Subaru has always had open differentials. From what i've read of their current systems they are all electronannies, great until a wheel speed sensor or something fails.
every video i have seen of actual tests of modern subarus with 3 wheels on rollers has resulted in failure