The Sonic Adventure Trilogy* is Flawed (And That's Ok)
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- ****Sonic Heroes is basically Adventure 3 (which makes Sonic 06, Sonic Adventure 4)
This is a compilation of my previous videos about Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, the Chao Garden, AND Sonic Heroes (The true Sonic Adventure 3). I thought it'd be fun to have these all back-to-back like this since they were made around the same time.
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I never saw Heroes as SA3, it's too different mechanically, gameplay AND storywise (every team does each level & boss in the exact same order all at the exact same time, & note this is the only 3D game where you DON'T get the emeralds as the story naturally progresses)
06 is closer to the adventure games
I was going to say Colors being another 3D game with non-story emeralds, but I know how you all are with that game.
@@dolomite1067 You’re not wrong, although that’s just 1 version of the game. The other straight up forgot the emeralds even existed
@@vinkennest3274 You & I know that, but don’t say it too loud, the disgruntled fans will show up at your place faster than you can beat the 1st level in Sonic Forces
@@vinkennest3274I agree, because if you think about it, that glitchy game does look as if it was made with some DNA from SA1.
Wouldn't Sonic 06 count more as Sonic Adventure 3?
This coming from someone who loves Sonic Heroes.
It's just that heroes comes right after sa2 and it has a kick-ass theme song(I still see it in the "adventure trilogy", though I don't see it as sa3 though)
There is no sonic adventure 3
I see 06 as Sonic Adventure 5. With shadow being SA4.
In my opinion, I think 06 feels far too disconnected from the previous games to be an Adventure 3. Adventure 2 acknowledged the first game, and Heroes and especially Shadow the Hedgehog acknowledged the Adventure games' events. The closest 06 does as continuity is having G.U.N and Omega present
So while it is true that gameplay wise 06 might be closer to Adventure 3, continuity wise I don't agree
@@sonicrunn3r89506 acknowledges SA1 by: Wave Ocean= Emerald Coast.
Hub Worlds + upgrades to find through out. You gotta talk to people to progress the levels.
NO Heroes Mechanic.
Dude, there's such a strong argument for 06=SA3. While any argument for Heroes/Shadow is pieced together with glue & sticks. "The narrative tho"
Get outta here. You're not fooling a soul.
NGL, when Garrulous did that Sonic impression and said "Marriage? No way!", it kinda sounded like the actual line.
Careful what you say man, some sonic fans will see this and lose their minds
Everything is flawed bro
@@5spec some people will still go insane over any criticism though
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a SA fan being critical of someone saying “these games are flawed but still good”
Too late, I've already gone insano
@@HelpIdkAGoodUser301that can be said for any fandom 😂
"Adventure trilogy" in the title confused me a lot, since I always counted Shadow and 06 to be part of the Adventure series.
I was wondering why metal sonic was in the thumbnail, makes sense knowing that sonic heroes is basically one of the two contenders for being sonic adventure 3, the other being sonic 06
i think unleashed is a decent contender, huge hubs, lots of levels and momentum based gameplay, all except for no other playable characters
@@doodlydooyteh, it's far too different gameplay wise, doesn't utilize the whole cast like the Adventure games, and even the voice actors are all different
@@doodlydooytwell unleashed is called sonic world adventure in japan haha
40:37 fun fact, people as kids were actually genuinely scared of Zero(and still a little cause phobias)
Sonic heroes is not adventure 3
Theres no permanent upgrades
I think Heroes fits as the spiritual SA3 though, it's the game with the most continuity directly following SA2 besides like…Shadow the Hedgehog. Which could also count as SA3 in of itself by association
Sonic Adventure 2 doesn't have adventure fields like Sonic Adventure 1 and has a lot of differences in comparison to the first game but we still call it Sonic Adventure 2
@@sonicrunn3r895 Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if a 2 in one remake of Both 05 Shadow and Heroes for this current Fearless Year of Shadow
@@sonicrunn3r895that's just storywise lol. Heroes has none of the core mechanics/gameplays that ressemble adventure 1 and 2 while Heroes is its own thing. 06 is more of an SA3 than Heroes.
@@teridaxmakuta8190??? you worded it wrong. Both SA 1 and SA2 share the same core gameplay despite the differences. Obviously when making a sequel you're not gonna copy and paste the previous game bruh. That's common sense. Obviously Adventure 2 is different but it's respects the bases of adventure 1 and i may even dare to say that it's more polished and diverse than 1
Sonic Heroes isn't SA3, if anything I'd say S3K is a member of the trilogy
wow you managed to have the only opinion more wrong than the video, good job lol
@@lookatdemijipers care to elaborate?
Makes sense.
@@lookatdemijipersNah, it genuinely has more to do narrative wise with SA1 than Heroes does.
@@lookatdemijipersNah it's actually a pretty solid take.
Narratively, all three games are linked through angel island/master emerald lore and gameplay wise, the multiple gameplay styles in sa1/2 are an evolution of the different character abilities in 3k.
WHAT GOES UP MUST COME DOWN YET MY FEET DONT TOUCH THE GROUND
Just so you know, the main reasons of why Sonic Heroes is such a rushed game are some truly serious ones. I know what those reasons are because some UA-camr explained them in one of the videos that he made for his channel.
1. The Playstation company had set up a deadline and told Sega that if they couldn't make a PS2 port of Heroes before that deadline, then those 2 gaming companies would no longer be allowed to have any connections (they would no longer be allowed to make any Playstation console ports of any future games that would be developed by Sonic Team).
2. At a certain time during developement the head of Sonic Team (Takashi Isuka) was forced to complete that game all by himself and the stress of that almost killed him! Good that that dude managed to survive that amount of stress.
The closest game to be Sonic Adventure 3 is Sonic 06
You got the hub world, multiple playable characters, three story routes that are related to each other + final story, Silver is introduced (just like how Shadow is introduced in SA2)
Sonic Heroes is way different in play style and mechanics than Adventure
Finally someone who spits facts. So tired of this heroes is sa3 just because it came after.
Good video I really loved it keep the good work up
Glad to see an increase in fair criticism from people nowadays have for sonic compared to before. I regard the adventure series as some of the best in the series but that does not mean its perfect in all regards. Lots of people forget that perspectives on games are subjective, so its always interesting to see what others think without being disrespectful or hateful like most of the sonic community when you don't like a Sonic game.
Well there's your problem right there, Sonic Heroes isn't an Adventure game. Remove that and you remove the flaws.
Sonic Heroes is SA 3 but with a different name
Nah, for someone who actually played the Adventure games not as a child, they do have flaws. Let's have a discussion about Crazy Gadget, Knuckles, Rouge, Lost World, Emblems, etc
@teridaxmakuta8190 Heroes genuinely has less in common with the adventure duology than it does things in common
Lmao, SA1 is more flawed than Heroes.
LMAO THE RAINBOW CHAO EGG RUMOUR WAS TOO REAL
I see heroes as SA3 story wise, especially because there is a little bit of foreshadowing whenever you see metal sonic on the egg carrier, hinting to what’s happening next.
If metal is just better Rock, why does Rock beat Scissors?
your videos are very cool and i like sonic games too and my most favourite sonic games are sonic colors ultimate, Sonic Adventure, Sonic Heroes and Sonic 3.
both 06 and heroes could be considered to technicly be part of the adventure gameplay era. just like how frontiers has some semplence of that gameplay style too. the free roaming and such. i guess in that case you can dismiss heroes as adventure 3 and replace it with either 06 or frontiers since u can actually free roam in those games lol.
You are correct that Heroes is SA3 cuz it’s the third adventure formula game they made. In the same way that Colors is “Sonic Boost 2”
3:49 Still better than the generations 3DS version
Cool video! But I’m still wondering…
When’s the Sonic Advance 3 review?
I wasn't expecting a Doug Walker cameo, but I will say it's pretty cool, albeit remaining blissfully ignorant to forcing himself to continue making new episodes of Nostalgia Critic due to people loving the original show despite him originally wanting it to end after his magnum opus The Show Must Go On, which eventually led to series stagnation, but eh, I think he's a pretty cool guy.
47:21
Jesus Christmas I was caught off guard hearing that audio.
Can't believe that this has been in production since *before* May 8th of 2023
Edit: just realized that this is just a compilation of older videos. Whoops
1:14:50 IIRC Eggman saw the extra emerald on a radar. So, when he said to Tails "Because you told me, fox boy", he was actually just fucking with him. And that's just so much more hilarious.
Seriously, what's more plausible, Eggman randomly guessing that Tails maybe came up with a plan as crazy as creating a weaker copy of an infinitely powerful artifact (without having seen it done firsthand), or him just planting some extra cameras and shit where he operates and seeing directly that something's sus? Tails was just a dumbass when he asked that question
tails just confirmed which one was the fake one, so eggman wasn't fucking with him. It was a greater possibility that the one sonic had was the fake, but eggman couldn't assume and eject sonic until confirmed since the stakes were high in that cutscene
Shadow the hedgehog is Sonic Adventure 3.5
47:20 I found this way funnier than I should have. “The slip of the tongue…”
Metal Sonic is still an amazing villain and a complex character
sonic heroes isn't sonic adventure 3, its sonic heroes
Yeah sa3 would be the meta rex saga of sonic X
Sonic heroes is so good 😊
@@sonic_the_hedgehog_channel no the meta rex saga is the meta rex saga
Heroes is just so different from the SA games...it's like saying the Avatar from Forces is SA gameplay because he doesn't have a boost
In the words the Great Clement (ClementJ64) Sonic 06 is more closely a Sonic Adventure 3.
"There are different storylines where characters interact in the same levels. In fact, they battle each other. Sonic will fight Silver, Silver will fight Sonic. Sonic will fight Knuckles, Knuckles will fight Sonic, ya know.
You play as Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Rouge, a Purple cat, and a Robot.
Dr. Eggman's plan involves unleashing an elemental monster he discovered through ancient tablets to destroy the world.
This elemental monster has green eyes and totally devastates a city. Chaos makes Station Square a water world. Iblis makes Soleanna a fire world.
Our heroes encounter a black hedgehog who is trying to destroy the world.
Sonic snowboards in Ice cap. He snowboards in White Acropolis.
Sonic gets chased by a whale in Emerald Coast. Sonic gets chased by a whale in Wave Ocean.
The Egg Carrier appears in both Sonic Adventure and Sonic 06. There's even a shot where Amy Rose sees the Egg Carrier fly overhead in both games.
You go into a hub world, where you communicate with the people of the town to get a little more insight into what's going on. Just like Station Square, and this time it's Soleanna."
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Dude knows what's going on.
To be fair, I enjoyed both Sonic Heroes and Sonic 06 when I first played them. It wasn't until I sat down and thought about them that I realized just how much was off and wrong about them. I would still go back to Heroes, and if I was recording for content, I might do 06 again, but overall, I would prefer to move on to other games.
The egg emperor is so easy, focus on leveling up tails and just hit him, he will get stun locked and die after a while. Funniest part is that i didn't look it up, i figured it out on my own when i played it lol
Can I just say I was pretty pumped to hear a sonic reviewer mention Nights!!! I fucking love that game!!You should definitely check out the wii game!! People shit on it so hard, but as a kid, I didn’t really care about the gameplay mechanics. I just thought the game aesthetic was just so fucking awesome.!! I hope sega takes more risks like they did with nights.!!!
12:39 are we just gonna ignore ray flying the tornado?
I won't
Heroes is far from Adventure 3, it's really it's own thing that happens to have a few plot connections
Sonic 06 is the closest in gameplay but I imagine people don't want to see that as Adventure 3
It's incredible to see Sonic fans in their natural habit doing what they do best.
Heroes is the third game that came out after 1 and 2. If you just count, putting them all together is practically harmless. Hell, all 3 are connected.
Yet someway, the only thing they care about other than anything in the actual video. Is the game that doesn't exist with a title that's practically meaningless. Sega just puts titles on these games. The title hasn't really matter since S3K. It's just for branding. "Colours. Generations. Adventure"
It's a name nobody in Sega cares about.
Like. The guy isn't a rep for Sega. He's just talking about a trio of games he likes. They are intentionally related and work better together in conversation than appart.
Yet they still feel the need to call him out like he's spreading misinformation. Misinformation on a game that will _never exist_ about a title that doesn't matter or add to the conversation about the game itself
Oh no, how dare I, a Sonic fan voice my opinion on a videos comment section, clearly as a Sonic fan I have no ability to process humor and everything I say has to be a statement and made in poor taste
Also Kishimoto has expressed clear intention to make a new Adventure game sometime down the line, momentum and all
@ethanwayne6973 they'll make it when Sonic hits real rock bottom and Sonic Team is neck deep in debt. They already know they can't make good games, so promising an adventure will make them money
@@FirstName_LqstName He originally said he wasn't sure in an interview years ago, and apparently Sega asked him to pause his Twitter for a while because he leaked to much so this isn't bs, besides if they really wanted to get hype for a new Adventure game why not tweet it on the official account or literally anywhere else other than the directors Twitter with virtually no followers
I like clipping through doors
Hmm..🤔 well since Heroes is in a sense a soft-reboot/sequel because it was the first multi-platform game and they didn't want to call it SA3 to make new players have to play the first 2 to understand the story but it's still a follow-up with a simplistic story so you can look at it as SA2.5/Shadow would be SA2.8 and 06 as SA2.9 or consider it SA3 but until they actually call the game "Sonic Adventure 3" that's the closest we'll get 😂
I just think they're teasing and using it as a last resort if sonic is about to hit rock bottom because they have to find a way to make it better than anything before and make it perfect since there's a number in the title and ppl been asking for years now.
You had to be that one guy to call Sonic Adventure a trilogy for views
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Most of the story issues come from bad localization. Playing these games with the retranslated mods is an entirely different experience.
I'm literally paused, playing SA2. 06 is easily the 3rd Adventure styled game. Hub worlds, upgrades, multiple separate stories, one dramatic over arching story. (Rouge literally does her hunting from SA2.) The controls & level design are reminiscent of SA1, just bad. (Emerald Coast/ Wave Ocean. Whales) Heroes & Shadow are way different.
People are just in denial because 06 was rushed out and bad. Clicking off now, your clickbait won't earn you watch retention. 🤗
"The controls & level design are reminiscent of SA1, just bad."
Ah, so Sonic Adventure 4: Episode I.
36:04 egg shaped rock is the true villain, I don’t trust it
Just because a game is canon in a series doesn't make it "x numbered" installment. Sonic Heroes is irrefutably not "SA3". Being similar mechanically also does not automatically make it the super official sequel, for those that try to use reused formulas and canonicity together to form the immature argument of a game being "x numbered sequel". And yes this IS a big deal because this is an argument against people who are... blatantly going out of their way.... to call and refer to the game as something it's officially not even calling itself. The title change was done for a reason, respect it [Heroes, etc].
I kinda of have a contention with the title of the video too. Every single video game is flawed. Sonic is nowhere remotely near the only one. The best rated video games in all of history (including in the Mario, Metroid, Megaman, CoD, etc series) are and will continue to be flawed. If someone wants to foolishly challenge that idea in literally anyway, be it claiming x game has none or y game has virtually none, there will always be a sizeable group of people who can point out the flaws you overlooked or purposely ignored. So the point being these type of titles are utterly outdated and come across condescending (for lack of e better word), working off this faulty ideology that series like Sonic Adventure are flawed whereas say comparable Super Mario games are not. You could put literally ANY game in that title: _Super Mario 64/Pokemon Gold/Uncharted 2/Oocarina of Time/Breath of the Wild/etc is flawed (and that's okay)"_ . It's simply by definition a stupid premise.
The insanely better and more accurate title would be something like "Sonic Adventure isn't as great/amazing as other games {which in terms of the game themselves I disagree with personally} (and that's okay)".
Still waiting for the Sonic Advance 3 review
Bruh😑... you've been missing out for over a year or 2 now.
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@charlesbishop3170 It's a meme on this channel lol. It's not serious
@@Evatallica I know, just following it as if it was.
1:39:39 bruh, what is this IGN footage?
Sonic Heroes is not Adventure Three, and O6 is certainly not Adventure 4... This is a big stretch for some clickbait.
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Sonic 06 is the 3rd adventure game, not heroes
You're wrong. Heroes is not SA3. Sonic 06 was technically SA3. The game literally has the same gameplay style as adventure.🤦
Lol. "You're wrong about something that's completely subjective because I am an intellectual that knows more about Sonic video games than you do" bro. If people want to classify Heroes as part of the adventure style, there's merit to it.
There is some flaw to it.
Everything is flawed
I am not big into Sonic. I don't dislike it, but I wouldn't call myself a fan either. I'm firmly in the camp of people that sometimes watch Sonic retrospectives and laugh at "haha Sonic bad" banter. But I ADORED Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. My brother brought it home one day and it ended up being one of my most played Gamecube games right beside Fire Emblem and Pokemon Colosseum/XD. I was awful at platforming and even worse at fast platforming, so I didn't care for the Sonic gameplay, but I spent SO much time farming ressources just to raise my Chao. I spent dozens of hours looking up stuff and writing about Chao on online boards. I was obsessed with them, much like I'm still obsessed with anything monstertaming/raising related. I even tried getting good enough to unlock the Tiny Chao Garden permanently in Sonic Advance 2 (the one other Sonic game I had). But I fell off the Sonic train the moment Chao weren't there anymore.
I can't shake the feeling that's exactly the reason why there is no Chao Garden anymore and also why there's barely any playable characters beyond Sonic anymore. These "side modes" probably take a TON of time to potentially draw in an audience that would only stick around for as long as a significant portion of ressources goes into these side modes. I'd love to return to raising Chao and I've seriously contemplated getting SA2(B) on Steam just for that, but I don't see it ever coming back.