Crazy, the way you express how much you love the country is exactly what I have in mind since I decided to relocate back home in 2018. Getting pay 5 times more not really making me happy tbh. I was told by the elderly since I was little, "study hard, get a good job, work in oversea." That's the classic teaching for most of the 'Chinese Kids', I made it, I've travelled more than 30 countries , relocation, and ? How far we still want to go to 'achieve the success' set by others ? Anyway, too long windy. Hope to join you guys one day.
Sadly I'm leaving the country this coming November I'm really going to miss Malaysia. I came here in 2007 from becoming a postgraduate student to an academic. Beautiful Malaysia I love you.
Still in love with my old Persona Elegance 2011. From the design to driving pelasure. The only downsize is the fuel consumption which i think the price compensate if compare with other C segment (yes, old persona is C segment). Overall, i hope it will last long so i can tell story to my grandchildren our love story ❤️.
I agreed with you Bobby on stress level and competiveness in developed countries. Just hoping this whole Corona shite over so we can get normal again. I miss road trip.
The recent Proton colours does look really good. I hope they'll last. Anything before Geely, paint quality is meh when new, but gets even worse after a few years. I've seen better paint quality on a first generation Myvi.
Guten Morgen Bobby! That sentence nailed the video 😁🙌🏻. As for the car, I must say that I envy Malaysians for having such an abundant choice of spacious B-segment cars, especially sedans. Heck even a Perodua Bezza and Axia are more spacious than some of the B-segment cars we got here in Europe. Europeans, in particular Germans and Swiss, hate sedans and prefer station wagons and hatchbacks, I don't know why though. On top of that I have the feeling that the cars are quite expensive for what they offer, because here you can still find lots of cars still having manual windows and not even parking sensors, which are not even existant on an Axia E. Yeah I get it, we are required to have ESP, traction control, ABS and 6 airbags as standard, but I have still the feeling that manufacturers cheap out on the car's specs. I wish they would start selling Proton and Perodua again in Europe, but the Euro 6 regulations make it impossible and the surge of plug-in hybrid cars will make such choices unattractive. Most fresh grads get anyway used cars, because new cars are here mostly a corporate thing and a private customer is not willing to buy a brand new car which depreciates anyway like 20 % when leaving the showroom. The Proton Persona (and the Iriz) seem to have a great value for money proportion. Yes they have only manual air con, but they got all around parking sensors, reverse camera, LED headlamps, steering wheel control and on top of that USB ports everywhere. They also seem spacious and even huge Europeans would feel comfortable inside such a car. The voice command thingy is a really nice touch, because most of the cars get here very flimsy built in voice command technology and even Google Assistant is not working that great like the GKUI system found in Protons. For the price of around RM 54k, you can't go wrong at all. The rear headrests though are unacceptable. For me they would be a dealbreaker. Do you think the Persona is a good car compared to what we get served in Europe? 🤔
I think it's about consumer mentality. Malaysia is a developing country where GDP per capita is only a mere $10,000 USD. This puts us in the same par with Russia and China while ours is an economy that has stopped growing since 2015 and China is still steaming ahead. However, Malaysia is also a country that is one of the earliest in Asia to begin modernisation of our economy back in the 60s-90s, this meant that we are caught in a "Sophisticated consumer but with low buying power" scenario. Meaning our consumers wants every luxury feature but on aggregate couldn't afford them. This creates psychological effect on consumers that we see owning a car as a pride thing. That's why our cars are all very well equipped and low margin for dealers. Hence they need to be inventive in creating schemes and rebates and incentives for dealers to remain in business. Whereas Europeans don't see cars as a yardstick for pride and success, but sees cars as a purely utilitarian item, and hence you guys buy pragmatically. A lawyer may buy a manual window UNICEF spec polo because all he wants is a small car, in Malaysia that's never the case. A car like the Persona might do well in Malaysia because we want every car to be as spacious as possible while Europeans will immediately find the car being too bulbous and would pick something cuter and more stylish.
@@BobbyAngmalaysia Yeah I noticed that the consumer behaviour in Malaysia is quite unique compared to many other countries. Even if a car is a huge burden to pay for, it is often a necessity and also a status symbol. I for my part didn't get a new car so far, because I'm a student, but because a car is more of a want thing than need, I tend to shop differently than most other people out there. It is true that people here regard cars more like a tool than as a form of enjoyment. When I buy a car, comfort and practicality are the main factors and then comes material quality and power in the next place. That's why I had as my previous car an Audi A3 from 2011 and now I got a Kia Soul EV from 2015. I agree on the last point that the Persona isn't the nicest looking car out there and that especially the side profile is bloated, but for the purpose of being a family car, it is fine, because the whole packaging is important and not just the looks of the car.
Totally agree. I am Malaysian but born and am a resident in Singapore most of my life. It is ultra capilatist here. Anything you do, you need to operate at max capacity to survive and to attract that high a volume of business you need to kill off your competitors. Not good at all. The stress of living in Singapore really makes me appreciate the beauty of life in Malaysia and I feel so happy whenever I return to Malaysia. Hope the pandemic ends. I miss Malaysia.
Happy Malaysia day Bobby and everyone. Glad you proud being Malaysian as I am. I just got my Persona couple days ago...the handling was sweeeeeeet. 50K++ car is no brainer la. BTW, you need haircut bro 😅
Love your review on the Persona, Bobby. Fully agree it's a great car overall vs other B-segment vehicles. Proton, well done! Perhaps improvement on the NVH... don't mind paying more for it👍
Cool video..nice review...though want to make point, as having worked in SG over 7 years, yes it is stressful and as a foreigner, you are squeezed to the max,but it is life experience that moulds you to take on challenges..but for malaysia, especialy in its mnc corporate environment, it is still equally stressful and driven to produce...but paid pittence...so in the end ...it depends..man
This Persona is going to be my first car and I’m so so excited to get it!! Waiting for the car to be in stock! Edit: Just got the car two days ago and I love it!!! The only thing that bothers me is the radio display, it's not user friendly. It requires some time to get used to. Apart from that, it's a pretty solid car!!!
Congrats! Iriz user here. Once you get used to using Hi Proton for specific commands, it's seamless and easy to interact with the infotainment and in-built navigation. Enjoy your car man
Hi bro. Thank you for super informative review! I am considering this or a 2nd hand 2.0 inspira. Im not really a heavy footer, but i like pick up for overtaking on highway. Unsure if an inspira is an overkill, considering i only drive like max 140 on PLUS. Would a persona be enough? My old car is a proton waja mmc. I also hate how the cvt on exora bold works.
the new persona's NVH really is miles ahead of the Inspira. Of course in terms of design i find the Inspira a better proportioned car, that being said, the Persona's shape was largely because of the cavernous boot and interior space. :)
As a child in the 1970s, even after the May 13, 1969 race riots, we still felt more united and muhibah. It was a common sight than to see malay hawkers in Chinese coffeeshops, with both Chinese and Malay customers for them. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case, although in Kuching, you can see that! The rot set in during the 1980s, especially when the differentiation was not only race but religion too. No wonder 1.8 million Malaysians have emigrated in the last few decades, with almost 1.2 million to Singapore alone, as reported by the Human Resource Minister in March 2023. And with 90% of Chinese studying in Chinese schools, compared to my time in the 1970s, when national schools were so secular and academically superior, no middle class Chinese thought even of going to Chinese schools. Chinese schools were dying a natural death in the 1970s. But the increasingly Malaynised and Islamised national schools from the 1980s onwards threw the Chinese schools a lifeline, and middle class Chinese left the national schools in droves for the Chinese Schools.
Great handling and comfort is definitely a strong point of Protons, that should be expected. But I don't think the 2022 Iriz/Persona is a value for money purchase for the package you're getting. The drivetrain is one major reason for me. It'll make a great used purchase though. (Plus point of going used, you can try find a manual variant, and the manual is a whole lot better than the CVT. You can't get new ones with manual anymore)
Honestly test driving it says otherwise. The drivetrain has been enhanced and calibrated so much it feels like a different car now. Honestly for the price, sacrificing sheer comfort, ergonomics and etc for a Myvi is worse value wise. After driving and sitting in this, the Myvi feels really cheap.
2019 facelifted afterwards persona's cvt are all good, only a slight bit of rubberband effect will exist if u pressing the throttle little harder during early acceleration, but once u get used to it , it is really smooth n comfortable.
This comment has got it upside down. What you want is to buy a new Persona, because the build quality has improved year on year (much less chance of getting some creaky/squeaky action on the dashboard) and the CVT tuning has vastly improved over previous iterations. 2019 was a big jump forward, 2022 is the best one yet. People are still coloured by their 2016/17 perceptions of Iriz and Persona. Test drive first then only talk (I've driven all of them).
Hi Mr Bobby, I am Ganesh, I have made my mind to order a persona, however the standard version of it. I would like to know is there a difference in terms of NVH between the variations of Persona? Just to know. Thank you.
@John Gomez Have you actually driven both cars? Sure, I can agree the Vios is better "as a car OVERALL", but the discussion here is about ride and handling.
The thing is this, if I am older than you, then Malaysia belongs to me and I belonged to Malaysia - longer than you do. So in this context, I've loved Malaysia longer than Syed Saddiq :p
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Crazy, the way you express how much you love the country is exactly what I have in mind since I decided to relocate back home in 2018. Getting pay 5 times more not really making me happy tbh. I was told by the elderly since I was little, "study hard, get a good job, work in oversea." That's the classic teaching for most of the 'Chinese Kids', I made it, I've travelled more than 30 countries , relocation, and ? How far we still want to go to 'achieve the success' set by others ? Anyway, too long windy. Hope to join you guys one day.
Home is where your heart will be.
Totally agree with you, ‘the grass is always greener on the other side’ is so true when we’re away from home.
A lot of emphasis is put on the "paid 5x" part, not enough emphasis is put on the "everything costs 5x more" part.
Sadly I'm leaving the country this coming November I'm really going to miss Malaysia. I came here in 2007 from becoming a postgraduate student to an academic. Beautiful Malaysia I love you.
Still in love with my old Persona Elegance 2011. From the design to driving pelasure. The only downsize is the fuel consumption which i think the price compensate if compare with other C segment (yes, old persona is C segment). Overall, i hope it will last long so i can tell story to my grandchildren our love story ❤️.
mine one r year 2010, only now is time to change all the lower arm and link. others all is ok for me, especially handling.
@@ckvoon1980 wow so long u keep them ok? Mine 5-6 years carput already. Lenjan taugeh too much 🤣🤣
@@msfss7312 everything still ok, only tat air Cond always problem. Cuz once on timing or got sound I will repair it, Tats y can tahan till now
@@ckvoon1980 😲. That car must be one lucky Persona to have u as the owner. 👍👍
@@msfss7312 I hope can drive another 2-3 years
I agreed with you Bobby on stress level and competiveness in developed countries. Just hoping this whole Corona shite over so we can get normal again. I miss road trip.
love to see the proton car nowadays..the colour looks premium..i believe there are already investing new paint shop in this pre geely era..
The recent Proton colours does look really good. I hope they'll last.
Anything before Geely, paint quality is meh when new, but gets even worse after a few years. I've seen better paint quality on a first generation Myvi.
Guten Morgen Bobby! That sentence nailed the video 😁🙌🏻.
As for the car, I must say that I envy Malaysians for having such an abundant choice of spacious B-segment cars, especially sedans. Heck even a Perodua Bezza and Axia are more spacious than some of the B-segment cars we got here in Europe. Europeans, in particular Germans and Swiss, hate sedans and prefer station wagons and hatchbacks, I don't know why though. On top of that I have the feeling that the cars are quite expensive for what they offer, because here you can still find lots of cars still having manual windows and not even parking sensors, which are not even existant on an Axia E. Yeah I get it, we are required to have ESP, traction control, ABS and 6 airbags as standard, but I have still the feeling that manufacturers cheap out on the car's specs. I wish they would start selling Proton and Perodua again in Europe, but the Euro 6 regulations make it impossible and the surge of plug-in hybrid cars will make such choices unattractive. Most fresh grads get anyway used cars, because new cars are here mostly a corporate thing and a private customer is not willing to buy a brand new car which depreciates anyway like 20 % when leaving the showroom.
The Proton Persona (and the Iriz) seem to have a great value for money proportion. Yes they have only manual air con, but they got all around parking sensors, reverse camera, LED headlamps, steering wheel control and on top of that USB ports everywhere. They also seem spacious and even huge Europeans would feel comfortable inside such a car. The voice command thingy is a really nice touch, because most of the cars get here very flimsy built in voice command technology and even Google Assistant is not working that great like the GKUI system found in Protons. For the price of around RM 54k, you can't go wrong at all. The rear headrests though are unacceptable. For me they would be a dealbreaker.
Do you think the Persona is a good car compared to what we get served in Europe? 🤔
I think it's about consumer mentality. Malaysia is a developing country where GDP per capita is only a mere $10,000 USD. This puts us in the same par with Russia and China while ours is an economy that has stopped growing since 2015 and China is still steaming ahead. However, Malaysia is also a country that is one of the earliest in Asia to begin modernisation of our economy back in the 60s-90s, this meant that we are caught in a "Sophisticated consumer but with low buying power" scenario. Meaning our consumers wants every luxury feature but on aggregate couldn't afford them. This creates psychological effect on consumers that we see owning a car as a pride thing. That's why our cars are all very well equipped and low margin for dealers. Hence they need to be inventive in creating schemes and rebates and incentives for dealers to remain in business. Whereas Europeans don't see cars as a yardstick for pride and success, but sees cars as a purely utilitarian item, and hence you guys buy pragmatically. A lawyer may buy a manual window UNICEF spec polo because all he wants is a small car, in Malaysia that's never the case. A car like the Persona might do well in Malaysia because we want every car to be as spacious as possible while Europeans will immediately find the car being too bulbous and would pick something cuter and more stylish.
@@BobbyAngmalaysia True
Prost! 🍻
@@elbowstancenow1519 Cheers to you too 🤠🖖🏻🍻!
@@BobbyAngmalaysia Yeah I noticed that the consumer behaviour in Malaysia is quite unique compared to many other countries. Even if a car is a huge burden to pay for, it is often a necessity and also a status symbol. I for my part didn't get a new car so far, because I'm a student, but because a car is more of a want thing than need, I tend to shop differently than most other people out there. It is true that people here regard cars more like a tool than as a form of enjoyment. When I buy a car, comfort and practicality are the main factors and then comes material quality and power in the next place. That's why I had as my previous car an Audi A3 from 2011 and now I got a Kia Soul EV from 2015. I agree on the last point that the Persona isn't the nicest looking car out there and that especially the side profile is bloated, but for the purpose of being a family car, it is fine, because the whole packaging is important and not just the looks of the car.
Proton Persona & Proton Iriz is really nice car....fun to drive & handling is superb
Aiming for this car to replace my Pug 208, way more practical and easier to maintain. Seems like Proton has a come a long way now and I’m all for it!
Totally agree. I am Malaysian but born and am a resident in Singapore most of my life. It is ultra capilatist here. Anything you do, you need to operate at max capacity to survive and to attract that high a volume of business you need to kill off your competitors. Not good at all. The stress of living in Singapore really makes me appreciate the beauty of life in Malaysia and I feel so happy whenever I return to Malaysia. Hope the pandemic ends. I miss Malaysia.
Thanks Bobby for being humble to drive the persona... Quite different compared to your short review with myvi... 😬
Well, you and Kon had me booked a Persona 2022 already. Thanks for the review.
Happy Malaysia day Bobby and everyone. Glad you proud being Malaysian as I am.
I just got my Persona couple days ago...the handling was sweeeeeeet. 50K++ car is no brainer la.
BTW, you need haircut bro 😅
Comparing the Persona and HCity do you think Persona makes a better choice 🤔
If you enjoy driving, Persona or Iriz it is...and the boot space OMG. My wife can't reach the end, very deep 😅
This is the review I'm waiting for...most honest review about persona 2022 on UA-cam!
Love your review on the Persona, Bobby. Fully agree it's a great car overall vs other B-segment vehicles. Proton, well done! Perhaps improvement on the NVH... don't mind paying more for it👍
The NVH is really good now, go test drive and find out!
Honest and authentic review. Will consider buy the standard one.
Cool video..nice review...though want to make point, as having worked in SG over 7 years, yes it is stressful and as a foreigner, you are squeezed to the max,but it is life experience that moulds you to take on challenges..but for malaysia, especialy in its mnc corporate environment, it is still equally stressful and driven to produce...but paid pittence...so in the end ...it depends..man
Wow bobby on persona !!!! Love it MAlaysia Boleh
Notification came up just hit it right away!
Bobby are you driving the Iriz next round???
Bosssss! Sudah boleh rentas negeri. Boleh request Persona baru naik Genting tak? 🙈
Persona boleh.. Next Iriz please
Bobby is a philosopher when he talks about country culture / way of working
This Persona is going to be my first car and I’m so so excited to get it!! Waiting for the car to be in stock!
Edit:
Just got the car two days ago and I love it!!! The only thing that bothers me is the radio display, it's not user friendly. It requires some time to get used to. Apart from that, it's a pretty solid car!!!
How long did you waited? 🤩🤩 and which spec did you get?! Anyway congrats!!!
@@ShannonLeeHello i got the premium spec. It took me 2 months for it. Thank you so much!!!
@@aimannomad3142 niceee I’ve been eyeing the premium space grey too! Plan to go for a test drive 😬😬
2 months quite long also, might go for it end of month.
Congrats! Iriz user here. Once you get used to using Hi Proton for specific commands, it's seamless and easy to interact with the infotainment and in-built navigation. Enjoy your car man
Hi bro. Thank you for super informative review! I am considering this or a 2nd hand 2.0 inspira. Im not really a heavy footer, but i like pick up for overtaking on highway. Unsure if an inspira is an overkill, considering i only drive like max 140 on PLUS. Would a persona be enough? My old car is a proton waja mmc. I also hate how the cvt on exora bold works.
the new persona's NVH really is miles ahead of the Inspira. Of course in terms of design i find the Inspira a better proportioned car, that being said, the Persona's shape was largely because of the cavernous boot and interior space. :)
I remember the very first lesson I taught my girlfriend when driving is HOW TO BRAKE PROPERLY🤣
Finally a review from Mr Bobby🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Bobby : Malaysian must drive Malaysian car and I love you Malaysia !
Bobby : GUTEN MORGEN!! ( german)
Also Bobby : THOMAS !! SAWADIKAP !
Finally get my car but when idling it just vibrate as much as the grandma’s hand at next door. Or just my unit engine mounting problem ?
Where's my fuel cup,that's hilarious,quote of the century,I can't stop laughing.......!!!!.
it looks like Geely has made right decision buying Volvo. some of their product has significantly improved, probably they learn 1/2 things from Volvo
Actually when corruption is removed. Everything is great in Malaysia
@@BobbyAngmalaysia hahaha, AGREED !
Fantastic review. Might just lock me into a new Persona
I am driving Proton Persona CVT 2017 and I love Ulu Yam stretch too!
Last time you tested the 2017 Iriz, you said that there was a freeplay on the steering wheel. How about this one?
Nope. :) the car is very well built :)
@@BobbyAngmalaysia can see Bobby smile...
Came for the car, stay for the content
As a child in the 1970s, even after the May 13, 1969 race riots, we still felt more united and muhibah. It was a common sight than to see malay hawkers in Chinese coffeeshops, with both Chinese and Malay customers for them. Unfortunately, that is no longer the case, although in Kuching, you can see that! The rot set in during the 1980s, especially when the differentiation was not only race but religion too. No wonder 1.8 million Malaysians have emigrated in the last few decades, with almost 1.2 million to Singapore alone, as reported by the Human Resource Minister in March 2023. And with 90% of Chinese studying in Chinese schools, compared to my time in the 1970s, when national schools were so secular and academically superior, no middle class Chinese thought even of going to Chinese schools. Chinese schools were dying a natural death in the 1970s. But the increasingly Malaynised and Islamised national schools from the 1980s onwards threw the Chinese schools a lifeline, and middle class Chinese left the national schools in droves for the Chinese Schools.
That front new ledlamps is bright as hell 😂
Bro. Interstate travel is already open. Can you drive this up to Genting now?
Great handling and comfort is definitely a strong point of Protons, that should be expected. But I don't think the 2022 Iriz/Persona is a value for money purchase for the package you're getting. The drivetrain is one major reason for me.
It'll make a great used purchase though. (Plus point of going used, you can try find a manual variant, and the manual is a whole lot better than the CVT. You can't get new ones with manual anymore)
Honestly test driving it says otherwise. The drivetrain has been enhanced and calibrated so much it feels like a different car now.
Honestly for the price, sacrificing sheer comfort, ergonomics and etc for a Myvi is worse value wise.
After driving and sitting in this, the Myvi feels really cheap.
2019 facelifted afterwards persona's cvt are all good, only a slight bit of rubberband effect will exist if u pressing the throttle little harder during early acceleration, but once u get used to it , it is really smooth n comfortable.
This comment has got it upside down. What you want is to buy a new Persona, because the build quality has improved year on year (much less chance of getting some creaky/squeaky action on the dashboard) and the CVT tuning has vastly improved over previous iterations. 2019 was a big jump forward, 2022 is the best one yet. People are still coloured by their 2016/17 perceptions of Iriz and Persona. Test drive first then only talk (I've driven all of them).
Love your videos.. Can you do preview for Persona Executive?
8:29 A rare Kia Koup flew by
Hi Mr Bobby, I am Ganesh, I have made my mind to order a persona, however the standard version of it. I would like to know is there a difference in terms of NVH between the variations of Persona? Just to know. Thank you.
Nope. No differences
Good info about braking, weight transfer.. Bobby
Is the handling differs in a noticeable way compared to the 2019 model?
with radio on, does the engine's sound bad?
wait , was audio during driving a voice over? also , i dont know why the new logo on the steering wheel reminds me so much of the Vauxhall logo
A round logo with a growling animal probably. Most people say it reminds them of the Thundercats logo though.
Round logo with the Tiger face
Towards the last part on the rawang bypass it was so beautiful I stopped talking so I use that footage to slap over my talking
I love the way you think. Subs!!!
the way you pronounce Ulu Yam is way more Malay than a Malay itself. lol no cap!
Day and night compared to the 2016 car......shit man now I feeling trading in
I don't think it's worth trading in your current car but wait for new model or other car. It's like you are getting the same car but just better. 🤣
Hadir cam bese
Teruskan upload video
How do you rate the handling and comfort to Toyota Vios..thanks
Vios should mostly more towards the comfort side.
Don't think it'll be as sharp as the Protons, but still decent for what it is.
I used to drive both cars.. for B-road persona is good. Very good handling in persona.. For highway they are almost same feeling..
@@kamarulakmal3822 lotus handling never failed. That is the strong point for proton cars.
@John Gomez Have you actually driven both cars?
Sure, I can agree the Vios is better "as a car OVERALL", but the discussion here is about ride and handling.
In terms of handling, not really different, vios has better stability but persona has good steering feel, comfort- vios better
3:27 Can someone tell where is it? Always see this roundabout in pov video.
Its just before the hulu yam dam if you are from batu caves
Please do a review on the iriz Bobby
This car got no stock and waiting period up to 6 months 😂 selling like a hot cake
为什么没有中文版？
Bobby have double chin?
Triple soon.
Bobby did u live before independence .. bcs u are very patriotic
The thing is this, if I am older than you, then Malaysia belongs to me and I belonged to Malaysia - longer than you do. So in this context, I've loved Malaysia longer than Syed Saddiq :p
@@BobbyAngmalaysia TIBER! Hahaha
Beautiful roads thr
does the CVT change?
Still the same Punch unit.
Just updated TCU and tuning. Which should mean it drives better, but I doubt that translates to better reliability.
New persona used polo gti? Haha
Oh My, what is with the 70's hairdo?😂
Lock down hair .... Popular recently
More comfortable than Mazda 3? Sure or not worr Bobby 😂😂
For torsion beam. Yes. Just the part about torsion beam.
Mr. J W, pls drive the persona for yourself, then u will know hw comfortable persona is compared to other cars.
@@srisarvinnair5552 no thanks bro. I’ll just stick to my BMW and Mazda 😊
Yaaaaaa. Drunk ke hahaha. Tangki pun tak tahu mana. Ahahhaa 😅😅
20:45 lol
wow persona lipas
Lipas lipas also corner sedap mah
low quality product, mesin tua buatan lotus, makanya ga laku
low mentality
Beli honda, tapi ada banyak kualiti issues untuk honda, termasuk city baru. Pergi ke servis center tapi tak boleh berakhir
Awak yg tua tu, bukan mesin...