The first 40 seconds of this video is probably what ever conversation Jim Barnett had with every wrestler that ever got a push while he was in power sounded like.
The thing I remember about Barnett is that he was not worried about people knowing he was gay in a time when it was illegal . Instead he kept secret that he was Jewish .
It's funny that in a macho world in pro wrestling the two greatest minds was two gay guys,Jim Barnett and pat Patterson...oh I forgot it's 3...sorry Vince
Why would that shock you??? Homosexual playing around muscle men and getting to control there ever move and look.... If I was gay that would have been an amazing job LoL 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I actually did research on Kohler a while back. He was already successful going into the DuMont deal to the point that he was Sam Muchnik's biggest rival, and they were bitter ones at that. When Kohler took the network deal, Muchnik even green lit his former buisness partner to compete with him for Chicago, with NWA support, causing Kohler's first departure with the organization. His ace in the whole in competing with the NWA was Verne Gagne, he managed to get the young star so over that fans were mistaking his regional championship for Lou Thesz's world title. DuMont was tremendously lucrative, giving him more access than any other competing promotion of the time, a hefty payment, and the Marigold Arena which was massive. But DuMont collapsed royally and Wrestling from the Marigold was cancelled five years or so later, leaving them with a regional broadcast that ended two years after that. Verne was hugely expensive bringing in 100,000 a year, the highest of any wrestler at the time, Eddie Quinn was making moves into Chicago, and eventually costs would make Pfefer's circus act a little more appealing. He didn't even keep the Marigold, it was sold to a nondenominational church to stay afloat. He was near bankrupt when he brokered an alliance with Vince Sr that saw him make a huge rebound but it was too little too late and he was forced to sell. I believe he was suffering health issues as well and passed away in 1969, 5 years after selling to Gagne, Dick the Bruiser, and Crusher.
There was extreme bad blood between Kohler and Verne Gagne in the 1960s. The story has typically been that Gagne fronted the money to Bruiser to get the deal to buy Chicago done, but kept his involvement in the deal secret right up until the point it was finalized. Its said that Kohler would have never sold knowingly to Gagne and would have pursued any other option (including just going out of business). Kohler never really recovered from the collapse of Dumont and getting kicked off WGN. The deal with Vince Sr. kept him going for a little while, but he just didn't have the TV or the money to continue. Pfefer was just one more attempt to save the promotion by cutting costs.
@@Jim-Tuner I would suspect there would be considering how much Kohler meant to building Gagne's career. He even officiated the match where Gagne "won" the NWA title off Thesz. The money he spent must have killing him. Though the WWWF deal did see him his biggest draw ever, yeah, the IWA was dead on arrival. Just as an aside, the Rainbow Arena he used to work out of before DuMont has an interesting history. It saw a number of different businesses take over and was converted into a roller ring before eventually being torn down. But while the building was being demolished, construction crews made a surprising discovery. Beneath the building, they found the body of an unidentified woman.
Jim Barnett was very valuable to Kohler as well. Jim did really create the wrestling format for television wrestling ( DuMont). Barnett was also Kohler’s road agent for other territories who want to borrow Dick the Brusier, Snyder, and Gagne. Obviously Jim was Kohler’s workhorse. By 1960, Jim left Kohler to promote it on his own (Indy, Louisville and Detroit). Kohler (when NWA President) was vindictive of Jim leaving Chicago. That he refused to vote Jim into the NWA board. Jim did not become a board member until the late 60’s via Sam Munchnik, who valued Jim’s knowledge of wrestling TV.
Jim Barnett is SO fascinating. I’ve only been able to find one old Australian news clip with him actually talking on it. Its also funny that in a world of make believe like Pro Wrestling nobody till this day knows if Barnett really lived a glamorous life or was he just “Working the boys”. What if the Jim Barnett ppl fondly remember him as was just a total gimmick lol
You can find Gary Hart's book online in PDF form and he talks about Barnett a lot. He loved the guy, and it's hinted that Barnett lived beyond his means.
can I write a song called "I Still Want that Thang" and sell t-shirts that say "Did Brian Ever Give You that Thang" I'll be a millionaire in 69 years 😂😂😂
Montgomery Clift was in Raintree County and not Rock Hudson. It could have been Giant (1956) There were scenes where Hudson was in "Maryland" that could have been in Kentucky.
Some info and opinions on Jim Barnett in Australia. I started watching World Championship Wrestling on Australian TV in the early 1970s. In searching through forums looking for background on the Australian champion Ron Miller I found out some interesting details about Barnett. The information apparently came from a source or sources in the industry Barnett had his headquarters in a penthouse apartment in King's Cross, Sydney. According to the source on the forum, Barnett had a silent partner and financial backer. This financial backer was coyly referred to on the forum as Mr S. This could only refer to Abe Saffron, aka Mr Sin, aka the King of Kings Cross. Saffron was the king of organised crime in Australia, paying off politicians, judges, police ... allegedly. No one seems to doubt any of this, however in his lifetime the only crime Abe Saffron ever went down for was tax evasion. Jim Barnett fled Australia in 1974 with his taxes under investigation. There were apparently attempts to extradite him. It makes sense that if Barnett was living in Saffron's backyard and operating the business there then Saffron would have a slice of it, but the suggestion is that Mr Sin may have been more heavily invested in the wrestling business Whatever the level of involvement of Saffron in WCW (and there had to be some) there is no doubt that Abe Saffron would not like the idea of anybody being questioned over accounting which might reveal his own hand regarding tax avoidance and laundering proceeds of crime. Jim Barnett had to flee Australia because the taxman might have been able to put Jim behind bars, and more pressingly because Abe Saffron would insist that Australian tax investigators never be able to question anybody like Jim who might reveal his bookkeeping secrets. Jim Barnett wisely chose to wind up his business interests in Australia and flee to the US. It is likely that looking at Barnett's books was a way of trying to catch out Abe Saffron's dodgy accounting, which would have put Barnett in a very uncomfortable situation I started watching WCW Australia around the time Barnett left, so my memories are of the later product, but I have seen a lot of video of Barnett era stuff. To my eye, it gets much better after Barnett leaves. After 1974 you get the same hard style of wrestling, but the finishes were much better, the angles were more measured and less hysterical, and local talent finally got a push. Barnett era dazzled with star power, but he was apparently paranoid about letting any local or resident babyface get too popular lest they steal the territory or challenge his authority. He certainly held Ron Miller back. Miller with Larry O'Dea had to go to the US in 1972 to get a push. They became the Florida tag team champions. Florida had a reputation for tough hard wrestling which suited the Australian style. Australians follow two football codes, Australian Rules (AFL) and rugby league (NRL), and expect to see the same sort of physical impact in wrestling as big hits and tackles on the football field The tax investigation of Barnett seems to have been triggered by a change of federal government in Australia late 72. Barnett flees in or by 74, as Miller and O'Dea return home, first as bookers and then buying into the company, Miller also gets the belt The show went off the air in 1978 to make room for a breakaway cricket competition. Between 1974 and 1978 the wrestling on WCW was very tough, hard hitting, lots of genuine catch stuff, some fast paced light heavyweight action (local Ken Medlin was a whirlwind heel), and some great promos (King Curtis and Steve Rackman outstanding). Memories include Bruiser Brodie thoroughly squashing a jobber, Ron Miller pinning Harley Race in a non title TV studio match, Les Thornton as a light heavyweight with catch moves galore, Ernie Ladd just being so big and arrogant, arena footage of Andre throwing large blokes around like plush toys, Bulldog Brower very high impact and also crazy, and the best angle was Ox Baker's illegal heart punch. Ox was not much of a mover, but he could sell this angle with his taped fist and sinister big moustache, jobbers and mid carders throwing themselves backwards to the floor limbs flailing when struck by his sneak attack Miller and O'Dea didn't have the money or connections to get all the big stars like Barnett could but they put out a better brand of wrestling in my opinion. One thing they did very well was give credibility to the belt. Miller could shoot and worked very well with tough wrestlers. Harley Race said he could cover for anything unexpected happening in the ring. Harley and JJ Dillon rated him highly. Miller having 6 one hour draws with Race for the NWA title (plus the non title TV pin to keep up the interest) over three tours gave a lot of credibility to Miller's own title, the Austra-Asian heavyweight championship. Check out Ron Miller v Butcher Brannigan on WCW TV for the title, it's great wrestling in any era and it sells the idea that the belt really means something and that it is a wrestling title rightfully worn by the man who proves himself the best wrestler
McMahon was a fool to not check Barnett's non-wrestling background or even read a Washington Post article dated April 3, 1980 which noted how Barnett was appointed by U.S. President Jimmy Carter as a member of the National Endowment of the Arts. Even when he was a major figure in the Georgia Championship Wrestling sale, there was no sign that Barnett backed away from his loyalty to the Georgia-bred U.S. President who publicly made clear to Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy that he would "whip his ass."
So did Barnett leave promoting in 1964 because of Kentucky U? Jim was the monetary booster of these parties. Guilt by association perhaps scared him away from the United States for 8 years. He figured he could lay low make money down under, and come back when the coast was clear... until Atlanta was ripe for the taking....
I wonder how much the early wrestling culture and magazines intermingled with the underground gay subculture back in the 40"s - 60's? It seems like there were a lot of common elements, and by that I mean, the need to keep certain things quiet. And of course, half naked dudes grappling with each other haha. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It just seems like the early wrestling publications would be tailor made for the gay community
The first 40 seconds of this video is probably what ever conversation Jim Barnett had with every wrestler that ever got a push while he was in power sounded like.
Ole Anderson's impression of Jim Barnett is hilarious.
The thing I remember about Barnett is that he was not worried about people knowing he was gay in a time when it was illegal . Instead he kept secret that he was Jewish .
Whenever i hear the name Jim Barnett, i think of Jim Ross' impression of him lol
Awesome thumbnail, would've expected a "my boy" to be there somewhere though haha
I still want that thang! I don't know if that was meant to be funny but goddamn I laughed!
*Cartoon looks like Senator Mitch Mcconnell*
Oh Mandy,
How you stabbed me,
And shot me,
And tazed me.
They gonna put you away.
Oh Mandy...
This is exactly how I talk when I want someone to middleman a drug deal for me.
All Cornette wanted was a gram of wax. Such a shame.
ua-cam.com/video/vhHeoQp2vY4/v-deo.html seems relevant to this.
@@mjhartlebury I assume you've taken Cake and other made-up drugs then? :P
It's funny that in a macho world in pro wrestling the two greatest minds was two gay guys,Jim Barnett and pat Patterson...oh I forgot it's 3...sorry Vince
Why would that shock you??? Homosexual playing around muscle men and getting to control there ever move and look.... If I was gay that would have been an amazing job LoL 😂😂😂😂😂😂
As a wise man once said "There's nothing manlier than fucking another guy in the ass."
What is that THANG? 🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
never heard of Rock hudson, but i wonder if he knew Pat Patterson too. ?
seriously, Jim should look like that thumbnail, looks good
Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍
I actually did research on Kohler a while back. He was already successful going into the DuMont deal to the point that he was Sam Muchnik's biggest rival, and they were bitter ones at that. When Kohler took the network deal, Muchnik even green lit his former buisness partner to compete with him for Chicago, with NWA support, causing Kohler's first departure with the organization. His ace in the whole in competing with the NWA was Verne Gagne, he managed to get the young star so over that fans were mistaking his regional championship for Lou Thesz's world title. DuMont was tremendously lucrative, giving him more access than any other competing promotion of the time, a hefty payment, and the Marigold Arena which was massive. But DuMont collapsed royally and Wrestling from the Marigold was cancelled five years or so later, leaving them with a regional broadcast that ended two years after that. Verne was hugely expensive bringing in 100,000 a year, the highest of any wrestler at the time, Eddie Quinn was making moves into Chicago, and eventually costs would make Pfefer's circus act a little more appealing. He didn't even keep the Marigold, it was sold to a nondenominational church to stay afloat. He was near bankrupt when he brokered an alliance with Vince Sr that saw him make a huge rebound but it was too little too late and he was forced to sell. I believe he was suffering health issues as well and passed away in 1969, 5 years after selling to Gagne, Dick the Bruiser, and Crusher.
There was extreme bad blood between Kohler and Verne Gagne in the 1960s. The story has typically been that Gagne fronted the money to Bruiser to get the deal to buy Chicago done, but kept his involvement in the deal secret right up until the point it was finalized. Its said that Kohler would have never sold knowingly to Gagne and would have pursued any other option (including just going out of business).
Kohler never really recovered from the collapse of Dumont and getting kicked off WGN. The deal with Vince Sr. kept him going for a little while, but he just didn't have the TV or the money to continue. Pfefer was just one more attempt to save the promotion by cutting costs.
@@Jim-Tuner I would suspect there would be considering how much Kohler meant to building Gagne's career. He even officiated the match where Gagne "won" the NWA title off Thesz. The money he spent must have killing him. Though the WWWF deal did see him his biggest draw ever, yeah, the IWA was dead on arrival.
Just as an aside, the Rainbow Arena he used to work out of before DuMont has an interesting history. It saw a number of different businesses take over and was converted into a roller ring before eventually being torn down. But while the building was being demolished, construction crews made a surprising discovery. Beneath the building, they found the body of an unidentified woman.
tHANKS FOR THE INFO
Jim Barnett was very valuable to Kohler as well. Jim did really create the wrestling format for television wrestling ( DuMont). Barnett was also Kohler’s road agent for other territories who want to borrow Dick the Brusier, Snyder, and Gagne. Obviously Jim was Kohler’s workhorse. By 1960, Jim left Kohler to promote it on his own (Indy, Louisville and Detroit). Kohler (when NWA President) was vindictive of Jim leaving Chicago. That he refused to vote Jim into the NWA board. Jim did not become a board member until the late 60’s via Sam Munchnik, who valued Jim’s knowledge of wrestling TV.
The partners of the Chicago wrestling club were Vern Gagne, Dick Afflis and Wilbur Snyder. Crusher was not a partner..
INteresting information about Roy Shire and San Francisco. We don't here enough about the history of that territory.
Jim Barnett is SO fascinating. I’ve only been able to find one old Australian news clip with him actually talking on it. Its also funny that in a world of make believe like Pro Wrestling nobody till this day knows if Barnett really lived a glamorous life or was he just “Working the boys”. What if the Jim Barnett ppl fondly remember him as was just a total gimmick lol
You can find Gary Hart's book online in PDF form and he talks about Barnett a lot. He loved the guy, and it's hinted that Barnett lived beyond his means.
Should’ve made a movie about him. He’s fascinating.
It would be the second greatest work of all time only to religion.
Tony Schiavone does a great Barnett voice. Guess Barnett was a "big" fan of Alex Wright's..."talents".
I love these old stories... Awesome.
can I write a song called "I Still Want that Thang" and sell t-shirts that say "Did Brian Ever Give You that Thang" I'll be a millionaire in 69 years 😂😂😂
Gimme gimme gimme.... that thang!
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Dusty, my boyyyyy!
I have avoided hearing Jim Barnetts voice because in my world his voice is JP Sarros impression from The Lapsed Fan podcast... "Sterling. Sterling"
I'm can't I'm can't
Sheeeeit
My boy
frank bonini Any Gossips my boy
Montgomery Clift was in Raintree County and not Rock Hudson. It could have been Giant (1956) There were scenes where Hudson was in "Maryland" that could have been in Kentucky.
Is there anyone here after the dark side of the ring
*Jim my boy*
The thumbnails make the segments more entertaining than any line still frame could present lol
Some info and opinions on Jim Barnett in Australia. I started watching World Championship Wrestling on Australian TV in the early 1970s. In searching through forums looking for background on the Australian champion Ron Miller I found out some interesting details about Barnett. The information apparently came from a source or sources in the industry
Barnett had his headquarters in a penthouse apartment in King's Cross, Sydney. According to the source on the forum, Barnett had a silent partner and financial backer. This financial backer was coyly referred to on the forum as Mr S. This could only refer to Abe Saffron, aka Mr Sin, aka the King of Kings Cross. Saffron was the king of organised crime in Australia, paying off politicians, judges, police ... allegedly. No one seems to doubt any of this, however in his lifetime the only crime Abe Saffron ever went down for was tax evasion.
Jim Barnett fled Australia in 1974 with his taxes under investigation. There were apparently attempts to extradite him. It makes sense that if Barnett was living in Saffron's backyard and operating the business there then Saffron would have a slice of it, but the suggestion is that Mr Sin may have been more heavily invested in the wrestling business
Whatever the level of involvement of Saffron in WCW (and there had to be some) there is no doubt that Abe Saffron would not like the idea of anybody being questioned over accounting which might reveal his own hand regarding tax avoidance and laundering proceeds of crime. Jim Barnett had to flee Australia because the taxman might have been able to put Jim behind bars, and more pressingly because Abe Saffron would insist that Australian tax investigators never be able to question anybody like Jim who might reveal his bookkeeping secrets. Jim Barnett wisely chose to wind up his business interests in Australia and flee to the US. It is likely that looking at Barnett's books was a way of trying to catch out Abe Saffron's dodgy accounting, which would have put Barnett in a very uncomfortable situation
I started watching WCW Australia around the time Barnett left, so my memories are of the later product, but I have seen a lot of video of Barnett era stuff. To my eye, it gets much better after Barnett leaves. After 1974 you get the same hard style of wrestling, but the finishes were much better, the angles were more measured and less hysterical, and local talent finally got a push. Barnett era dazzled with star power, but he was apparently paranoid about letting any local or resident babyface get too popular lest they steal the territory or challenge his authority. He certainly held Ron Miller back. Miller with Larry O'Dea had to go to the US in 1972 to get a push. They became the Florida tag team champions. Florida had a reputation for tough hard wrestling which suited the Australian style. Australians follow two football codes, Australian Rules (AFL) and rugby league (NRL), and expect to see the same sort of physical impact in wrestling as big hits and tackles on the football field
The tax investigation of Barnett seems to have been triggered by a change of federal government in Australia late 72. Barnett flees in or by 74, as Miller and O'Dea return home, first as bookers and then buying into the company, Miller also gets the belt
The show went off the air in 1978 to make room for a breakaway cricket competition. Between 1974 and 1978 the wrestling on WCW was very tough, hard hitting, lots of genuine catch stuff, some fast paced light heavyweight action (local Ken Medlin was a whirlwind heel), and some great promos (King Curtis and Steve Rackman outstanding). Memories include Bruiser Brodie thoroughly squashing a jobber, Ron Miller pinning Harley Race in a non title TV studio match, Les Thornton as a light heavyweight with catch moves galore, Ernie Ladd just being so big and arrogant, arena footage of Andre throwing large blokes around like plush toys, Bulldog Brower very high impact and also crazy, and the best angle was Ox Baker's illegal heart punch. Ox was not much of a mover, but he could sell this angle with his taped fist and sinister big moustache, jobbers and mid carders throwing themselves backwards to the floor limbs flailing when struck by his sneak attack
Miller and O'Dea didn't have the money or connections to get all the big stars like Barnett could but they put out a better brand of wrestling in my opinion. One thing they did very well was give credibility to the belt. Miller could shoot and worked very well with tough wrestlers. Harley Race said he could cover for anything unexpected happening in the ring. Harley and JJ Dillon rated him highly. Miller having 6 one hour draws with Race for the NWA title (plus the non title TV pin to keep up the interest) over three tours gave a lot of credibility to Miller's own title, the Austra-Asian heavyweight championship. Check out Ron Miller v Butcher Brannigan on WCW TV for the title, it's great wrestling in any era and it sells the idea that the belt really means something and that it is a wrestling title rightfully worn by the man who proves himself the best wrestler
I knew it!
Jim my boy! 😂
Jim Barnett was a gawd among men. The Hugh Hefner of professional wrasslin.
"Jim Barnett was a god among men"
No pun intended😏
@@FIXTREME Hah!!!
Didnt Barnett own the Australia promotion at one time which he sold to Buddy Fuller(Welch). Where did that money go?
Thin Thirty written by Shannon Ragland
McMahon was a fool to not check Barnett's non-wrestling background or even read a Washington Post article dated April 3, 1980 which noted how Barnett was appointed by U.S. President Jimmy Carter as a member of the National Endowment of the Arts. Even when he was a major figure in the Georgia Championship Wrestling sale, there was no sign that Barnett backed away from his loyalty to the Georgia-bred U.S. President who publicly made clear to Chappaquiddick Ted Kennedy that he would "whip his ass."
So did Barnett leave promoting in 1964 because of Kentucky U? Jim was the monetary booster of these parties. Guilt by association perhaps scared him away from the United States for 8 years. He figured he could lay low make money down under, and come back when the coast was clear... until Atlanta was ripe for the taking....
Hard to believe after all those yrs in business Barnett died without leaving much money...
Jim is like the Meyer Lansky of professional Wrestling. He’s a great negotiator brings parties together, but isn’t really rich lol
I wonder how much the early wrestling culture and magazines intermingled with the underground gay subculture back in the 40"s - 60's? It seems like there were a lot of common elements, and by that I mean, the need to keep certain things quiet. And of course, half naked dudes grappling with each other haha. Not that there is anything wrong with that. It just seems like the early wrestling publications would be tailor made for the gay community
My boys
One of the funniest intros 😂
Think of that, wrestling didn't catch on in San Francisco right away...
They don't like that workin buttsex, they watch shootin buttsex down there😏
@@FIXTREME lol would love to hear that dialogue
Patterson was over in that town
That Thang 😁😁😁
Dusty my booooy!
ROSE MARY THE HIVE QREEN THE BUNNY IS THE BEST IN IMPACT WRESTLING
Corny… My boy
I'll give you a hint about Oates first name. It's the same as yours. Lol.
He was quite the character
Pause
KB
JB*
19th!
Does the title count as clickbait?